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Russian Iskander in Armenia

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For the past few days, the Transcaucasian countries have been following the situation that has arisen with the advent of operational-tactical missile systems in the region. According to a number of media reports, a number of Iskander-M systems have recently been located in Armenia. Such messages have become the reason for a number of high-profile statements of a not too friendly nature. The various forces of the region are trying to use the fact that the missiles were in Armenia to their advantage, but at the same time they interpret the latest events exclusively in such a way as to emphasize their own position. However, according to the latest data, such statements may have nothing to do with the real situation.




Back in the middle of last May, the Russian media outlets disseminated information about the active rearmament of the 102 Russian military base located in the Armenian city of Gyumri. With reference to unnamed sources, it was asserted that the military personnel of the base receive new equipment and in the very near future Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems and Tornado multiple-launch rocket systems can be sent to Armenia. Information about the ongoing re-connection for some unknown reasons is not widespread. However, already in the first days of the month of June, publications appeared in which “Iskanders” were mentioned.

A few days ago, several foreign media outlets, including the Armenian ones, reported on the deployment of several Iskander-M missile systems in Armenia. The number of complexes and their goals were not specified. Due to the absence of official confirmation or denial of such information, various kinds of discussion and even speculation immediately began. The transfer of operational tactical missiles attracted the attention of politicians from the countries of the Transcaucasian region, and they did not miss the opportunity to turn the situation in their favor.

First of all, it is worth noting the Azerbaijani reaction to these events. Baku has not been friendly with Yerevan for a long time because of the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh and therefore any newsconcerning the armed forces of Armenia is perceived by Azerbaijan in hostility. As an example, the words of the deputy of the Azerbaijani parliament, A. Hajiyev, were given in an interview with the information agency Day.Az. In his opinion, the missile complexes available in the territory of the neighboring state are evidence of Yerevan’s aggressive intentions and are intended to intimidate Azerbaijan. In addition, some experts and the media have expressed the opinion that “Iskander” in Armenia should demonstrate the power of Russia to Azerbaijan, which is especially interesting in the light of recent disagreements.

Probably, such statements of officials are due only to the political situation in the region, but not to the situation around the missile complexes. It is unlikely that the differences between Russia and Azerbaijan are so great that the situation requires the transfer of Iskander-M to the Russian military base in Armenia. As for the transfer of these complexes to the Armenian military, the Armenian Ministry of Defense refutes information on the adoption of such systems. Thus, it turns out that the Iskander-Ms sent to the territory of Armenia will serve as part of the Russian unit and carry out tasks that do not include the demonstration of power to Azerbaijan. Probably, Russian missiles, if necessary, will be aimed at objects of another country.

It is not difficult to guess that the interests of Russia extend not only to Transcaucasia, but also to more remote regions. Thus, political scientists V. Yakubyan and A. Khramchikhin believe that the missile systems are transferred to Armenia not to intimidate Azerbaijan, but to put pressure on Turkey. Several years ago, official Ankara agreed to deploy on its territory some objects of the Euro-Atlantic missile defense system. Subsequently, these elements of the system were built and put into operation. It is known about the plans of Turkey and the United States to continue cooperation in this field. It is probably due to the active cooperation of the American and Turkish military that Russia is forced to send new missile systems to its base in Armenia.

It is worth noting that the Iskander complexes became an instrument of big politics in 2008 year. Then the former president of Russia D. Medvedev said that the answer to the objects of the Euro-Atlantic missile defense system on the territory of Poland would be the Russian tactical missile systems in the Kaliningrad region. At about the same time, Syrian President B. Assad proposed to deploy Iskanders on the territory of his country. Over the next years, the issue of locating missile complexes in relative proximity to various NATO military facilities came to the fore with enviable consistency, but so far the re-equipment of the missile units seems to be proceeding in accordance with the original plan.

In the event of the deployment of Iskander-M in Armenia, their area of ​​coverage covers almost all of Transcaucasia and large areas of nearby countries. In particular, Turkish military facilities located in the eastern regions of the country could be hit by Russian missiles. Thus, the missile systems at the 102 military base became an asymmetric response to the deployment of missile defense elements in Turkey. Earlier, Ankara was warned about the possibility of such a development of events, but she did not seem to listen to Moscow. As a result, a number of missile complexes went to serve in the territory of nearby Armenia.

If the version of “Iskander-M” in Armenia, which performs the function of political pressure on Turkey, is true, then recent events, among other things, indicate that Russia continues to promote its point of view. Since Moscow did not succeed in obtaining written guarantees from the United States and other NATO countries not to direct the Euro-Atlantic missile defense against Russian nuclear forces, our country is forced to take appropriate measures. This time, apparently, operational-tactical missile complexes were chosen as the pressure lever.


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  1. pawlo77
    pawlo77 10 June 2013 08: 15 New
    12
    the word should follow the deed!
    1. Stoic
      Stoic 10 June 2013 11: 21 New
      -2
      April 1 2013 years

      “We are further intensifying our activities in international organizations. At the same time, even more serious steps will be taken in the construction of the army. We use every opportunity to keep Armenia in its current isolation in economic and regional issues. I am sure that as a result of these comprehensive measures and due to the growing power of the country, we will soon restore our territorial integrity. I will say it again, I have no doubt that we will return to our native lands, including Zangilan, Karabakh, Shusha, and the flag of Azerbaijan will fly in all our cities. I have no doubt about that. ”

      19 March 2013 year

      “Armenia, of course, is interested in preserving this situation as long as possible - the situation of neither peace nor war. But this cannot suit us.
      The Armenian state was created on the historical Azerbaijani lands. The Irevan Khanate, Zangezur, Geycha - all these are our historical lands. No one forgot that in 1918 Irevan was presented to Armenia by the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. This is historical truth. The second time a far-fetched Armenian state cannot be created on Azerbaijani lands. This will never happen. But we strive and must strive to resolve the issue soon. I have no doubt that the issue will be resolved in our favor. ”

      24 декабря 2012 года

      “Today’s Republic of Armenia arose on historical Azerbaijani lands ... This is a historical document: in 1918, one of the first decisions of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic was the decision to transfer Irevan to Armenia as the capital. I have repeatedly expressed my thoughts about this decision. And today I want to say that it was a big mistake, a big crime. But this is historical truth. Irevan Khanate is our historical land. Once, at the beginning of the last century, a fictitious Armenian state was created on the historical lands of Azerbaijan. We can never allow, in our time, in the current conditions, the second fictitious Armenian state to be created on the historical lands of Azerbaijan. This will never happen. ”

      “We rely on our own strengths. As in all matters, economic, political, in this matter we rely on our own forces, the will of the Azerbaijani people and the strength of the Azerbaijani army. The time will come when Azerbaijan will restore its territorial integrity by any means. Both historical justice and international law recognize this right for us. ”

      25 June 2012 year

      “In the state budget of Azerbaijan, military spending takes first place. And this is natural. It should be so, because we live in a war. The war is not over yet. Its first stage has ended. There is a ceasefire. But the peace agreement has not been signed. ”

      “Over the past few years, our military spending has increased by more than 20 times. Currently, these expenses are at the level of 3,6 billion dollars. This is 50 percent more than all state expenditures in Armenia. ”

      “That is, I want to say again that we will not abandon this policy. And from now on we will build up the power of the Azerbaijani army. Logistics will become even stronger. Weapons, ammunition, equipment will be purchased in an even larger volume. The professionalism of our army will be further enhanced. ”

      “I have no doubt that if the active phase of the war begins, Armenia will run away from the battlefield just as it did from the political arena.”

      Similar phrases from I. Aliyev’s speeches, starting in 2003, can be cited for an arbitrarily long time.
      1. Stoic
        Stoic 10 June 2013 11: 25 New
        -7
        But, let's get acquainted with two short but capacious quotes from the speech of the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Armenia Seyran Ohanyan at a meeting with journalists on May 9 of this year. "At present, I think that Baku is seriously preparing for military operations. And we, in turn, are seriously preparing to defend our homeland"And, in response to a question about the possibility of the Armenian Army taking preventive measures in the event of a real threat from Azerbaijan:"Nothing is excluded, since the Armenian armed forces are prepared to implement both preventive measures and exclusively defensive measures.».
        1. Stoic
          Stoic 10 June 2013 11: 35 New
          +2
          Speaking at the Yerevan State University, Armenian Defense Minister Seyran Ohanyan recalled March 1993, when he, as chief of staff of the NKR Defense Army, met with the current Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan, Safar Abiyev, to discuss the issue of creating a security zone.

          Now the Minister of Defense of Armenia Seyran Ohanyan recalled that the task was to withdraw heavy equipment 25 kilometers from the contact line. S. Ohanyan then suggested that, since the Armenian side has no depth, it will take the equipment 5 km, and the Azerbaijani side 25 km. The discussion grew into a debate, and it came to the point that S. Ohanyan said that then the Armenian technology would go forward. Try it, said Abiyev, and S. Ogianyan noted that there is nothing to try, as always you will take flight at the sight of the Armenians.

          “5-6 districts were freed after that. I don’t know if the Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan remembers this, but when the day comes and the need arises, I will remind him of this”, The minister said, recalling that this conversation was during the fourth of five stages in the formation of the Armenian army. The minister recalled that a trilateral ceasefire agreement was concluded at the request of the Azerbaijani side.

          S. Ohanyan noted that today he is of the opinion that NKR should take part in the negotiations on the settlement of the Karabakh conflict. “At meetings in various international structures, I constantly assert that at the last stage of resolving the issue, if the parties come to some kind of agreement, they will be forced to start negotiations from scratch with the NKR authorities,” S. Ohanyan summed up.
          1. Gari
            Gari 10 June 2013 11: 55 New
            +5
            Head of the Center for Military Forecasting Anatoly Tsyganok, commenting on statements made at a joint briefing by US Secretary of State John Kerry and Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov.

            "There is no talk of US support for Azerbaijan. It is also empty talk about the possibility of an escalation of the conflict in the Nagorno-Karabakh confrontation zone in the foreseeable future. Baku is increasing its military budget, increasing it, expanding - well, let it be. Who will allow them to start? military actions? ", - the interlocutor voiced a rhetorical question, stressing that no one needs to unfreeze the" hot spot ".

            With regard to possible shifts in the negotiation process on the peaceful settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Tsyganok expressed confidence that they would not be possible until the agreements signed 20 years ago were observed. "The meetings of the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan with the participation of mediators are fruitless. Three presidents should participate in the negotiations - two are recognized, and one is not, it was agreed. Without the government of Nagorno-Karabakh, the issue cannot be resolved. But the problem is what is really behind Nagorno-Karabakh. Nobody wants to take over the Karabakh conflict. Instead, the issue is used as a bargaining chip for passages by external players, "the expert noted.
            1. Gari
              Gari 10 June 2013 11: 56 New
              +3
              Anatoly Tsyganok singled out two more factors that play the role of serious obstacles to a peaceful settlement of the conflict. "Firstly, Azerbaijan itself is playing a double game. On the one hand, it reiterates its commitment to a peaceful solution and confirms this on various international platforms. On the other hand, for example, it heroes a murderer who was sentenced to life imprisonment by the court for brutal murder. There are many such examples, and they all interfere. Secondly, external players do not want to lose the "bargaining chip" in the form of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, they do not need it, "said Anatoly Tsyganok, head of the Center for Military Forecasting.

              However, the US flirting with Azerbaijan, as well as Washington-Tbilisi contacts, Tsyganok is sure, are explained by another important factor - the Middle East: “This suggests that the US is very interested in increasing its influence in the South Caucasus. The fact is that the region directly borders with Iran and is at arm's length from Syria, in respect of which the West has quite clear interests. The South Caucasus will come in handy for them, "Anatoly Tsyganok summed up.
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 10 June 2013 12: 54 New
                -1
                Quote: Gari
                "Firstly, Azerbaijan itself is playing a double game.


                and now we read what traitorous policy an outpost, an ally, is pursuing in relation to Russia.

                Armenia plans to develop military cooperation with USA

                As Defense Minister Seyran Ohanyan stated at a joint briefing with the head of the US Navy Ray Mabus in Yerevan today, Armenia attaches great importance to the further development of military cooperation with the United States.

                According to the head of the defense department of Armenia, cooperation between the two countries in the defense sphere is at a high level, additional evidence of which is regular contacts at the highest level.

                "2011 and 2012 were especially fruitful in terms of developing bilateral cooperation in the defense sphere, and mutual high-level visits indicate that the parties have serious potential and desire to further develop this cooperation," the minister said, quoted by Novosti-Armenia ".

                He recalled that the Armenian-American defense cooperation is developing in two directions - peacekeeping activities in Afghanistan and Kosovo and defense reforms.

                Ohanyan also noted the importance of cooperation with the US Marine Corps, which is also subordinate to Ray Mabus. He said that in recent years in Germany and Romania, together with the United States Marine Corps, have trained about 200 Armenian troops.

                http://www.vestikavkaza.ru/news/Armeniya-planiruet-razvivat-voennoe-sotrudniches
                tvo-s-SSHA.html

                that is, both yours and ours, originally, on the one hand reaches for Russia and, on the other hand, headlong runs to the USA. laughing
              2. Panahkhan
                Panahkhan 10 June 2013 14: 34 New
                +3
                Gari

                Let's talk about double games in Azerbaijan.
                1) unlike Armenia, the Azerbaijani authorities HAVE money from their own and obeys only their own. Unlike Armenia, which has a diaspora in the west and protection from the north. What is interesting is that you cover them both. And when you show the facts of your duplicity, you’re even afraid to admit that YES WE ARE MOTHER and, in the last words, both OBAMA and the CSTO and Russia. Say no, lay out the facts!

                2) Now about the fact that we made the killer a hero. Before scolding or insulting Azerbaijanis, you would recall your Armenian who, like a coward, sent 2 Turkish consuls for lunch and from behind like a coward shot them. And then he said that the Turks weren’t people, so you killed him and you wrote a play and also EXTRADED to Armenia. WHY are you not talking about this?

                3) How are you, Armenians, we are not flirting in the least. All that we pay for everything we pay. Unlike anyone who owes the last cowards to Russia, they owe nothing to anyone. What is your accusation that we flirt? We are in good relations with all who are in good relations with us. This is called DIPLOMACY. And I understand your jealousy. Your diplomacy is losing every day.

                From your words, since Russia is at enmity with the United States, should we? Why? And what wrong have they done to us, or are the same Israelis? And why should your enemies be enemies to us? How is it?

                Today, small analysts have gone. do not read them. They say a lot of empty words.
            2. Panahkhan
              Panahkhan 10 June 2013 14: 27 New
              +3
              Gari

              1) And why do not you write about 4 UN resolutions that Armenia does not comply with?
              2) Resolutions of the European Parliament?
              3) What kind of Karabakh rule are we talking about when you yourself Armenians do not recognize Karabakh as independent? And hence the conclusion that they are no officials and why is it asked then to meet with them?
              4) You mean the so-called. "Karabakh government" are Armenians from another planet? Or are they not Armenians? As far as I know, this is one gang with Serge.

              I beg you, write something reasonable. Analysts are scams. Who pays and orders music. Who will pay for that and write and what you want to write.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 10 June 2013 12: 25 New
            -2
            Alexander Vasyak, major general, military expert:
            - I do not completely exclude the potential of external pressure on Armenia, but I emphasize once again that no one canceled the force factor in the negotiation process. And in this context, we observe strange contradictions in the information space of Armenia. And not only Armenia. On the one hand, the media persistently claim that Armenia receives the most modern weapons from Russia, up to the Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK). On the other hand, Minister of Defense Seyran Ohanyan constantly - at the end of May, at the beginning of June - speaks to journalists with several nervous assurances that the military-industrial complex of Armenia is developing successfully and will develop in the future.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 10 June 2013 12: 20 New
          +1
          Alexander Vasyak, major general, military expert:
          First, on the supply of Russian weapons. I am always surprised at the gullibility of some of our experts who come across armagitprop provocations. Take, for example, OTRK Iskander. There is an export modification of Iskander-E, which is inferior in all respects to the complexes that are in service with the Russian armed forces. Negotiations on their sale Rosoboronexport conducted with India, Vietnam, Iran and other countries. They claim that even in 2008, an agreement was even concluded with Syria for the supply of these complexes. But for various political reasons, Moscow refused to economically export these OTRKs. In addition, Russia must complete its rearmament by 2020 and give it to someone, especially Armenia, it will not be an expensive weapon. As well as selling at "dumping prices." Therefore, Mr. Ohanyan is so worried about the state of the Armenian military-industrial complex. Indeed, the entire modernization of the Armenian armed forces is already an overwhelming burden on the weak Armenian economy.

          Minister Ohanyan understands this well, therefore, he reassures the public in a very peculiar way, saying that I quote: "in the current military-political conditions, Armenia is forced to create effective means with limited resources." Consequently, the effectiveness of these funds will be directly proportional to the limited resources, i.e. will be extremely low. And, therefore, there is no parity with the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan and cannot be. Neither in the short, nor, especially, in the long term. Is this fact not its own “lever of pressure” on Yerevan in the negotiation process?
          1. Stoic
            Stoic 10 June 2013 12: 30 New
            +2
            At first, the general with the cat surname Vasyak, then still a colonel, appeared during the years of military aggression of Azerbaijan against the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Vasyak then developed military operations, with fatal inevitability leading to the next flight of Azerbaijani Askars from the battlefield. But he, unlike his colleagues from among the Transcaucasian Turks, was able to read and write, for which they kept him feeding.
            There weren’t enough stars from the sky, but one, from the generous pocket of Heydar Aliyev, he managed to pick out and smear, like a trace of a bat guano on the donkey’s blanket, on his shoulders. As a result of this guanoidal operation, Colonel Vasyak became General Vasyak. Despite the many thousands of losses among the Askars who were carrying out his plans. And maybe that's why: who will disassemble him, Heydar?
            After the Azerbaijani armed forces suffered a shameful crushing defeat, and Heydar Aliyev managed to extort a ceasefire agreement from the NKR Defense Army, General Vasyak was thrown out as if using a contraceptive patch. However, over time, they remembered in Azerbaijan that Vasyak was able to read and even write, and the general was again called up under the banners: now the Azerbaijani state propaganda. Initially, Vasya was sprinkled on various organizations, and then they were attached as a “military expert” on the site of the US-Azerbaijan Foundation for the Advancement of Progress (miracles happen not only in fairy tales) Net-FAX.
            If anyone does not know, Net-FAX is analytical and socio-political, with significant information and intellectual resources. It is written on the site itself, and its constituent and editorial councils unite current and former, very successful immigrants from Azerbaijan to the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany, Russia and other countries. In the ranks of the “very successful” that united in Net-FAX, Vasyak, even being a member of the editorial board, was completely lost. With his feline surname and shameful military past, he was very uncomfortable among the "very successful". He purred, of course, sometimes, but somehow plaintively, like a kitten that had pawed in.
            Vasyak would have disappeared in the bowels of Net-FAX if last year the aza-propit had not had the happy idea to use it again, or rather, his general epaulettes. Vasya was taken out of the garbage container, washed, powdered, scored, perfumed and presented to the reading public as ... a Russian military expert.
            Continuation of http://voskanapat.do.am/news/martovskij_vasjak_ili_general_bez_rodu_i_bez_plemen
            i / 2011-03-25-1224
      2. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 10 June 2013 17: 01 New
        +6
        You were so carried away by quotes that you apparently forgot that the oldest civilization in the vast expanses of the USSR was created by Armenians, and the entire territory of Transcaucasia was part of it.
    2. Tarpon
      Tarpon 10 June 2013 12: 05 New
      +2
      Sometimes the "two shoes" policy is more effective.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 10 June 2013 13: 06 New
      +5
      In the photo, neither Iskander-M. Iskander-M are supplied exclusively to the Russian Armed Forces and are equipped with two missiles.

      Clickable photo
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 10 June 2013 13: 13 New
      +3
      Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Weekly Summary from May 27 to June 2, 2013



      Over the past week, from May 27 to June 2, 2013, in the region of the Karabakh conflict, numerous violations of the ceasefire were noted. The Azerbaijani and Armenian sides daily bombard each other's positions.

      Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh
      From May 27 to June 2, on the contact line of the armies of Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijani military violated the ceasefire more than 200 times, shelling the positions of the NKR Defense Army from various types of small arms. In response to the advanced units of the NKR Defense Army, the activity of the Azerbaijani military was suppressed.

      In May, the Azerbaijani armed forces violated the ceasefire with Armenia and the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic about 1130 times.

      According to the Ministry of Defense of Armenia, about 170 times the Azerbaijani military used sniper weapons, about 70 times large-caliber weapons, including about 50 times large-caliber sniper weapons. In May, as a result of shelling from the Azerbaijani side, one Armenian soldier was wounded.
      1. atalef
        atalef 10 June 2013 13: 20 New
        -4
        Quote: Sith Lord
        In May, the Azerbaijani armed forces violated the ceasefire with Armenia and the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic about 1130 times.

        Quote: Sith Lord
        In May, as a result of shelling from the Azerbaijani side, one Armenian soldier was wounded.

        I didn't get it. One of two things, Either there were much fewer violations, or they were shooting blanks. This is not ANNA-N "YUS reports?"
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 June 2013 14: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          I didn't get it. One of two things, Either there were much fewer violations, or they were shooting blanks. This is not ANNA-N "YUS reports?"

          Often not Voroshilov shooters shoot))))))))
        2. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 10 June 2013 16: 46 New
          +1
          This is from the Azerbaijan Salam website
      2. Stoic
        Stoic 10 June 2013 13: 23 New
        0
        From there.
        Well, or almost from there))))

        According to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, on June 8, a third-year cadet of the Higher Military School named after A.V. Heydar Aliyev Javadzade Kyanan Shakir oglu (born 1993).

        We remind you that the death of K. Javadzadeh became the 51st irretrievable loss in the armed forces of Azerbaijan this year. The previous death was recorded on June 6, when the asker Huseynov Ali Huseyn oglu shot his colleague Ragimov Mirgasym Vugar oglu from the machine gun.

        Total half of the company since the beginning of the year
        Yarbai, hello Vasyuk)))
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 10 June 2013 14: 55 New
          -1
          Quote: Stoic
          Total half of the company since the beginning of the year



          probably your Iskander tried ............ laughing
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 14: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Over the past week, from May 27 to June 2, 2013, in the region of the Karabakh conflict, numerous violations of the ceasefire were noted. The Azerbaijani and Armenian sides daily bombard each other's positions.



        and now read on --- The Armenian armed forces again violated the ceasefire in several directions of the front.


        As Vesti.Az reports with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, the Armenian armed forces fired on Azerbaijani positions from the positions located near the villages of Ashagi Abdulrahmanli, Goradiz, Garakhanbeyli Fizulinsky, Merzili, Javahirli, Sarychaly Aghdam, Tapgaragoununlu of the Goranboy regions of Azerbaijan.
        From time to time, shelling was also carried out from positions located on the nameless heights of the Khojavand region of Azerbaijan.
        In all cases, enemy fire was suppressed by return fire. There are no casualties from the Azerbaijani side.
    5. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 10 June 2013 14: 32 New
      +4
      But this is not the same thing?
      Russia neutralizes US missile defense in Turkey
      http://topwar.ru/29159-rossiya-neytralizuet-amerikanskuyu-pro-v-turcii.html
  2. StrateG
    StrateG 10 June 2013 08: 33 New
    16
    What I want to thank the Americans for is that they do not give us guarantees. Otherwise, it would be all - we would relax, as in 39-41, when we entered into a non-aggression pact with Germany. And now? And now they make us act and constantly monitor them, not relax and be on the alert. Who knows what would happen if they gave us guarantees - maybe we would be already surrounded?
  3. Sosed_26
    Sosed_26 10 June 2013 08: 37 New
    13
    Yes, it was high time Turekov put in place
    1. Panahkhan
      Panahkhan 10 June 2013 14: 36 New
      +3
      Listen, do you really think that Russia wants to put the Turks in their place? Do you know what the scenario of bad relations with Turkey promises Russia? If you don’t know, then I can tell you. Knock on the PM.

      And so, Russia’s relations with Turkey are not very bad. Much better than Russia and Ukraine. Believe me :)
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 10 June 2013 14: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Panahkhan
        And so, Russia’s relations with Turkey are not very bad.



        Russia and Turkey have one roots !!!

        A round table discussion was held at the Russian-Turkish Cultural Center in St. Petersburg "Russia - Turkey in the 21st Century: From a Multifaceted Strategic Partnership to the Imperative of Eurasian Integration." The scientific event was supported by the Smolny University scientific and educational complex.
        A discussion took place on the report of the academician of the European Academy of Natural Sciences, the president of the Smolny University scientific and educational complex, the chairman of the Azerbaijan Diaspora of St. Petersburg Regional Public Organization, professor Heydar Mammadovich Imanov, who outlined his views on the prospects for relations between the two countries.
        SPEAKS: Associate Professor, Department of Theory and History of International Relations, Faculty of International Relations, St. Petersburg State University, Candidate of Historical Sciences Alexander Sotnichenko.

        1. antibanukurayza
          antibanukurayza 10 June 2013 16: 55 New
          0
          what? "Urus" and "Turuk" sound quite similar .... laughing
        2. Denis
          Denis 11 June 2013 05: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Apollon
          Russia and Turkey have one roots !!!
          Eco!!!
          Then with Africa, the ancestors of the greatest poet from there
          Candidate of Historical Sciences Alexander Anatolyevich Sotnichenko.
          So that once again, otherwise they forget, you can light up any nonsense
  4. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 10 June 2013 08: 43 New
    +7
    With the deployment of Iskander in Armenia, Russia will "kill two birds with one stone": it will rearm the army and specifically "disturb the sleep" of Turkey and Azerbaijan!
    1. esaul
      esaul 10 June 2013 09: 47 New
      +9
      Greetings, Stanislav. I support such conclusions, I will only add that
      Quote: Kovrovsky
      With the deployment of Iskander in Armenia, Russia will "kill two birds with one stone": it will rearm the army and specifically "disturb the sleep" of Turkey and Azerbaijan
      , Russia makes it clear to the same Azerbaijan that - basta, basta, guys! Talks on Karabakh for this period - we stop. We will deal with Syria, Turkey and other Middle Eastern problems, then we will deal with your issue.
      What pleases ... The fact that such decisive actions by Russia immediately knocked off the flair of militancy from the Azerbaijani "regime" (an interesting phrase when applied to Azerbaijan Republic), "concern and concern" appeared. Now you won't want to go into trouble.
      And such statements are touching:
      Quote: Yarbay
      Turkey may in response withdraw its permission to lay a pipeline on the bottom of the Black Sea through its territory and the South Stream will become an inexplicable project!

      With a show-off - "South Stream" - is beneficial only to Russia ... As if "Nord Stream" brought buns only to Russia ... Everything that is done in this area, everything is done with a mutual benefit for BOTH (or all) parties. Turkey will not dodge the deal with Gazprom anywhere. "Nabucco" has already, de facto, ordered to live a long time (it remains only to announce this, but everyone is "not comfortable" wink, fought so much and - ran), and Turkey is the largest consumer of gas in the region. and even on transit how much dough you can mow! "What kind of Turk doesn't like driving fast ...!" Oh, something I missed! winked Which Turk will give up its benefits? wink
      1. Panahkhan
        Panahkhan 10 June 2013 10: 15 New
        +2
        If you think that Azerbaijanis think this iskander can even indirectly be directed to the territory of Azerbaijan, then you are deeply mistaken!
        Our somehow violet. Trust me 100% guarantee! And I can give a guarantee of 101% that IF EVEN AND APPEAR, it will not be for the sake of Azerbaijan.
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 10: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: esaul
        Russia makes it clear to the same Azerbaijan that - basta, basta, guys!



        Yesaul !!!!!!!!! they are not in Armenia yet ...))) you have been misled ... look down ...... firing in the Astrakhan region .. fellow
        1. esaul
          esaul 10 June 2013 10: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: smersh70
          Yesaul !!!!!!!!! they are not in Armenia yet ...))) you have been misled ... look down ...... firing in the Astrakhan region ..

          Greetings buddy hi If I’m not mistaken, the news was two days old and then it was said there that it was an official statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry. If I am mistaken, then anyway, this is evidence of clear intentions and the preparation of public opinion for deliveries. I think that they will appear there, in any way, as a counterweight to the Patriots. So - we will wait for additions. But from the very voicing of intentions (if it is STILL only intentions wink ), it is clear that in this region the priorities in the "appointment" of an ally are clearly indicated.
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 June 2013 13: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: esaul
        Turkey will not dodge the deal with Gazprom because Nabucco has already, de facto, ordered to live long

        No, Valera, you are inattentively reading the press and poorly know the real state of affairs!
        A project called Nabucco has died, but tomorrow a contract will be signed with the TAP project (Azerbaijan-Turkey) or Nabucco West ((Western companies)!
        Only the companies investors and operators have changed!
        the same route!


        The Ministry of Industry and Energy of Azerbaijan made a number of statements on the prospects of the national gas industry.

        According to the ministry, Deputy Minister of Industry and Energy Natig Abbasov said that by 2020, gas production in the country will increase to 54 billion cubic meters per year.

        “Azerbaijan is exporting gas to Russia, Iran, Turkey and Georgia,” N. Abbasov said at a meeting with representatives of the Ministry of Oil and the Iranian National Gas Company, Fineko / abc.az reports.
      4. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 June 2013 13: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: esaul
        , Turkey is the largest gas consumer in the region. and also in transit how much dough can be cut!

        the fact of the matter is that Turkey buys gas from Azerbaijan and Iran cheaper !!
        Plus can soon buy from Israel and the Arab countries!
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 10 June 2013 13: 43 New
          +5
          Turkey has the most expensive Iranian gas, and buys the cheapest gas in Azerbaijan
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 June 2013 14: 23 New
            +3
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Turkey has the most expensive Iranian gas

            As far as I know, at the beginning of the year Turkey achieved a 30 percent reduction in the cost of Iranian gas!
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 10 June 2013 17: 00 New
              +4
              Türkiye en pahalı doğalgazı İran'dan satın alıyor. İran'ın Türkiye'ye verdiği doğalgazın her bin metreküpü 500 dolar dolayında seyrediyor. Türkiye'nin Rusya'dan aldığı doğalgazın bin metreküpü 429, Azerbaycan'dan aldığı doğal gazı her bin metreküpü içinde 349 dolar ödüyor.
              17.05.2013 / 16: 41


              It turns out they did not get a discount on gas!
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 10 June 2013 10: 45 New
      14
      Quote: Kovrovsky
      With the deployment of Iskander in Armenia, Russia will "kill two birds with one stone": it will rearm the army and specifically "disturb the sleep" of Turkey and Azerbaijan!

      People that you overestimate this Iskander for Azerbaijan, it will break the dream, bring down arrogance and all that. Do you know the geography ????? AZERBAIJAN BORDERS WITH RUSSIA !!!! And on the other side of the border there are toys much better than the ones in Gyumri, yes still a Russian fleet in the Caspian. Russia already covers XNUMX% of the entire territory of Azerbaijan, and not with ballistic missiles, but with a more extensive range of weapons.
      Now, if these Iskanders were transmitted to the Armenians then yes, and so this message is more than Turkey and only Turkey.
      1. esaul
        esaul 10 June 2013 11: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: Yeraz
        , and so this message is more than Turkey and only Turkey.

        Salute, Ali hi Zloty words! The Russian media are talking about this, but the neighbors (why would?) Have caught the threat for themselves. If you do not have malice and do NOT tease the lion, the lion can allow you and your head to "shelter" in its mouth without harm to your health. Right? If you have already called yourself a peaceful ally, then - correspond, and do not incite ANTI-neighborly sentiments.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 10 June 2013 11: 31 New
          +9
          Quote: esaul
          Quote: Yeraz
          , and so this message is more than Turkey and only Turkey.

          Salute, Ali hi Zloty words! The Russian media are talking about this, but the neighbors (why would?) Have caught the threat for themselves. If you do not have malice and do NOT tease the lion, the lion can allow you and your head to "shelter" in its mouth without harm to your health. Right? If you have already called yourself a peaceful ally, then - correspond, and do not incite ANTI-neighborly sentiments.

          And you salute hi By the way, they did cleverly with the Iskanders, which came as a surprise to me, not immediately after the patrits, but after some time, i.e. not during the boom, but now when it seems to be in a more relaxed atmosphere, when many have already forgotten about the patriots.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 June 2013 14: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: Yeraz
        AZERBAIJAN BOUND WITH RUSSIA !!!! And on the other side of the border there are toys much steeper than the one in Gyumri, and even the Russian fleet in the Caspian. Russia already covers one hundred percent of the entire territory of Azerbaijan, and not with ballistic missiles, but with more extensive weapons spector.

        at the present moment that is in Dagestan enough to make the neighbor nervous !!
  5. Nitarius
    Nitarius 10 June 2013 08: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: StrateG
    What I want to thank the Americans for is that they do not give us guarantees. Otherwise, everything would be - we would relax,

    NDA there is a good old proverb, HOPE FOR GOD AND TET A DONKEY))
    And yet - if you want PEACE - NADO GETTING READY FOR WAR!
  6. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 10 June 2013 08: 47 New
    +1
    it’s probably those and Iskander-M who scared the Poles, they seemed to have refused to put a missile defense there, let the Turks lose it too, they scratch their turnips! bully
    1. esaul
      esaul 10 June 2013 09: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      it’s probably those and Iskander-M who scared the Poles, they seemed to have refused to put a missile defense there, let the Turks lose it too, they scratch their turnips!

      Salute, Kaput! hi Those, not the same, but in conjunction with the Turkish "spring", Erdogan, not that Syria will be busy with lack of time, but, perhaps, will have to place the "Patriots" - "turn in the ass" laughing
      Hello everyone, colleagues hi
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 10: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: esaul
        Those, not the same, but in conjunction with the Turkish "spring", Erdogan




        Silence became in Turkey .. a concert is already going on .... so that the forecasts of some comrades .. did not materialize))))) Following Adana and Mersin, Prime Minister RT Erdogan spoke today to his many thousands of supporters in Ankara . The first speech took place at Esenbog Airport, where he said that his patience was not unlimited, and called the demonstrators robbers, who, in his words, brought terror to the country.
        After he spoke at Altynpark, Erdogan accused the bank lobby of the audience that they were not happy with the fact that state-owned banks had lowered interest rates, which lobbyists did not like.
        Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in today's speeches warned anti-government protesters that they would have to pay a high price for the protests.
        He also called on his supporters to come out for mass demonstrations in support of the government.
        1. esaul
          esaul 10 June 2013 10: 41 New
          +4
          Quote: smersh70
          Silence became in Turkey .. already the concert is on ....

          To Euronews reports, yes. According to their reports, until recently, the Syrian bandits were also called "rebels". According to other sources, the movement will grow apart. For some period there will be a struggle between "parades" - demonstrations "for" and "against", and then, damn it, the situation will roll in the direction of re-elections because Erdogan is a supporter of building a Sriat model of building the state, and people have tasted the "secular" life, especially young people.
          So your minus to me, I think, will soon "sound" not so categorical, buddy.
          You - plus for the correct dialogue. drinks and for nickname. I like that nickname good
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 10 June 2013 12: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: esaul
            You - plus for the correct dialogue. and for nickname. I like that nickname



            Thank you brother!!!!!!!!! hi I invite you to a beer !!!!! drinks about the youth - I completely agree with you ..... !!!!!!! but about the Sharia, I do not agree)))) the Islamic state wants to build - well, I disagree with this))))))
  7. smersh70
    smersh70 10 June 2013 08: 50 New
    0
    I wonder how they were thrown ... Iskander does not fit on board the IL-76, or Ruslan ... hi
    by the way, and the filming shown yesterday in Vesti .... these are firing on the territory of Russia ... but it seemed as if they were shooting in Armenia ......
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 09: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: smersh70
      I wonder how they were thrown ... Iskander does not fit on board the IL-76, or Ruslan ...

      I also think that this is unlikely to happen !!
      Turkey may, in response, withdraw permission to lay a pipeline along the bottom of the Black Sea through its territory and the South Stream will become an inexplicable project!
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 10 June 2013 09: 52 New
        11
        Quote: Yarbay
        I also think that this is unlikely to happen !!

        It should happen, if it has not already happened. For in Azerbaijan since the end of the winter of this year there has been an increase in anti-Russian sentiment.
        Adviser to the President of Azerbaijan Vafa Guluzade: "We demand an end to discrimination against our compatriots living in Russia. Otherwise, the KLO will take concrete steps to suspend the activities of the Russian embassy in Baku and to evict the Russians from Azerbaijan."
        Excerpts from the Azerbaijani media:
        -Russia, which still has not abandoned imperial ambitions, is Azerbaijan’s largest enemy.
        -Russia is a loser, it is breaking up before our eyes.
        -Our country is profitable to delay negotiations (Karabakh). We must wait for the collapse of Russia.
        Headlines from Azerbaijani newspapers:
        "A serious threat from Russia", "A threat approaching from the North", "On Russia's plans in relation to Azerbaijan", "The next target of the Kremlin is Azerbaijan."
        Foreign Minister Mamedyarov accuses Russia of cooperating with Armenia, the angry statements of Mirzazade and Oruj on the same occasion.
        So everything seems logical to me, here the stick is also against Turkey, missile defense and at the same time Azerbaijan.
        1. Gari
          Gari 10 June 2013 09: 59 New
          +6
          Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the Russian National Defense magazine, director of the World Arms Trade Analysis Center, confirmed the fact of new deliveries of Russian weapons to Armenia.
          “The planned universal modernization of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation fully affects facilities both on the territory of the Russian Federation itself and beyond. This fully applies to the 102nd Russian military base in Gyumri. ” He stated this on May 30, “Regnum”, commenting on previously disseminated information that “Iskander-M” operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) and “Tornado-G” multiple launch rocket systems would arrive in Armenia.
          He emphasized that this, in particular, is about the modernization of military facilities and the supply of new types of weapons, the repair of existing ones, and the updating of the long-range strategic and non-strategic air defense systems that are in service with the Armenian Armed Forces.
          “Armenia, like, say, Belarus, is a strategic partner of Russia, a friendly country, and a geopolitical ally in the region. Moscow pays special attention to partnership with Yerevan, including in the military-political sphere, which, among other things, is a factor of stability in the region in the South Caucasus. Russia is interested in stability in the South Caucasus and does not want military action along the perimeter of its state border, ”Korotchenko noted, adding that, as part of military-political cooperation, Russia will“ take care ”of its base in Armenia, contribute to the modernization of the Armenian Armed Forces and create for this condition, as well as supply arms to the partner at preferential prices.
          1. Gari
            Gari 10 June 2013 10: 00 New
            +7
            Answering the question of how the development of military-political cooperation between Russia and Armenia in neighboring Azerbaijan can be regarded, Igor Korotchenko stated the following:
            “Baku can react as it pleases. It is important for us how we understand our contacts with Armenia. We will not forget that thanks to the “practical” policy of Baku, Russia lost a radar station in Azerbaijan.
            We were squeezed out from there under the pretext of the need to increase the rent, while naming a fabulous amount. They squeezed us out, and we left. At the same time, Russia is not going to take revenge, not revenge - Baku had the right that he took advantage of. Russia has the right to remember this globally, geopolitically. ”
            With Armenia, Korotchenko recalled, Russia has no such problems. “Relations with Armenia are very important for us and are one of Russia's military priorities, including as a factor of stability. They are developing in absolute accordance with the logic of bilateral relations in the post-Soviet period.
            Armenia is one of the most important allies of Russia, and that’s it, ”said the source.
            1. esaul
              esaul 10 June 2013 10: 11 New
              +8
              Quote: Gari
              “Baku can react as it pleases. It is important for us how we understand our contacts with Armenia. We will not forget that thanks to the “practical” policy of Baku, Russia lost a radar station in Azerbaijan.

              Welcome hi A very sensible example of how Russia should take into account the interests of imaginary allies. As the saying goes - "I don't remember evil ... I write it down ..." hi
              1. Panahkhan
                Panahkhan 10 June 2013 10: 20 New
                -3
                And since when was Russia an ally of Azerbaijan? What did the Kremlin authorities do for what Russia could be considered its ally?

                And now the question. And why did you rank Azerbaijan as an enemy? This is interesting.

                For the fact that Armenia did not transmit data from the S-300?
                Or maybe, as the Armenians do not aim at the Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories?
                Or maybe for the fact that we do not write on the posters RUSSIA VON NZ ARMENNN ????
                Or maybe because we are in NATO?

                Why do you consider Azerbaijan your enemies?

                It was necessary to blow up all the oil fields during the Second World War. They didn’t blow it up in vain! You don’t cost anything good that we did!

                They say Haram Olsun. Type succumb!
                1. esaul
                  esaul 10 June 2013 10: 44 New
                  +1
                  Panahkhan RO 
                  Welcome hi But, put by me plus your post, I ask you not to accept at your own expense - those. a failure. request
                2. omsbon
                  omsbon 10 June 2013 11: 25 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Panahkhan
                  It was necessary to blow up all the oil fields during the Second World War. They didn’t blow it up in vain! You don’t cost anything good that we did!

                  Thank! This is the most striking example of your rotten nature!
              2. Gari
                Gari 10 June 2013 10: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: esaul
                Greetings A very sensible example of how Russia should take into account the interests of its imaginary allies. As they say - "I don't remember ... I write it down.

                Elman Abdullayev, representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Azerbaijan, spoke at a conference in America organized by the Jamestown Foundation, which is one of the leading think tanks in the world. The event was dedicated to the strategic partnership between Azerbaijan, Turkey and Georgia.

                As the AZE.az was informed in the embassy of Azerbaijan in the USA, the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of our country Elman Abdullayev took part in the session of the conference “Azerbaijan-Georgia-Turkey: the foundations and calls of the developing strategic union” and made a report at the event.

                Elman Abdullayev said that the alliance between the three states - Azerbaijan, Turkey and Georgia - is historical. Achieving the main goal of ensuring regional stability is possible thanks to the efforts of the leadership of the three countries.
            2. Apollo
              Apollo 10 June 2013 10: 29 New
              0
              Let the Russian taxpayers pay the Minister of Energy

              Naira Hayrumyan
              Business - Wednesday, 05 June 2013, 15: 59
              The gas price in Armenia has nothing to do with the economy. This is a purely political issue, which is far from being decided by the Public Services Regulatory Commission and the Ministry of Energy.
              But then it is not clear why to pretend that in all this there is “nothing personal, only business”. Civil activists are well aware of this and go with claims not to the local authorities, but to the Russian embassy. Although, first, distrust should be declared to officials who commit themselves to Russia to deceive the Armenian society.
              The new Russian ambassador to Armenia Nikolay Volynkin has not yet answered the questions of the Armenian society. But these questions are at least two: why Gazprom, which announced its intention to reduce gas prices for European consumers from 402 to 378 dollars for 1000 cubes, is raising prices for Armenia; Are those who accuse Russia of not allowing Armenia to buy cheaper gas from Iran right?
              The Minister of Energy and even the Armenian Prime Minister can hardly answer these questions intelligibly. Each answer of the Minister of Energy introduces more and more contradictions into the gas business, and it promises to be completely confused.
              .....Whose interests are protected by the Minister of Energy of Armenia and other officials - Gazprom, Putin? Let them then leave and get paid from Russian taxpayers, not Armenian.

              end of quote.
              http://www.lragir.am/index/rus/0/economy/view/30606
              Armenian source. can be double-checked.
          2. Apollo
            Apollo 10 June 2013 10: 22 New
            +2
            Opposition does not stop Armenia from going to Europe
            Politics - Saturday, 08 June 2013, 13: 30
            Yesterday, an invitation to the EU Eastern Partnership Summit in Vilnius was officially handed over to Serzh Sargsyan. The summit is due to take place in November and could be a turning point in the history of not only Armenia, but also other post-Soviet countries.
            The summit should be initialed, or even signed an agreement on the Association of Armenia and the creation of a free trade zone with the EU. Intensive negotiations are underway, and not only with Armenia, but also with Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova. Azerbaijan and Belarus turned out to be losers in this process.
            Finally, sluggish discussions began in Armenia over the choice between the EU and the Customs Union proposed by Russia. The discussions are sluggish, because the ruling party is pushing for European integration, and the main opposition parties must either openly declare an anti-European course that is not accepted by society, or simply not prevent Armenia from joining the EU. Apparently, the second option was chosen, and now the European path in Armenia is disputed only by a number of staunch supporters of the pro-Russian course, which is completely their right.
            Yesterday, US Ambassador John Heffern, in fact, put an end to this discussion, rejoicing that Armenia has chosen a partnership with the USA and Europe. “I highly appreciate the fact that Armenia is committed to working with Western partners such as the EU and the USA,” the ambassador emphasized.

            http://www.lragir.am/index/rus/0/politics/view/30674

            The question is, where is Armenia moving towards Russia or towards the USA and Europe. Double-faced politics has been a priority for Armenia for centuries.
          3. Panahkhan
            Panahkhan 10 June 2013 14: 50 New
            0
            Gari

            Gary, I know you Armenians by hearsay. When you even buy jeans, you forget to remove the label from the back! I saw more than once. I am silent about furniture that has been in the film for years.

            So it is with the Iskanders. You are so happy with these Iskander as if the control panel is in your hands, and even if it were in Armenia you would have advertised it so that you could hear it from the north pole to the south!

            And if he does, believe our violet. How do you imagine Russia will pour Iskander over Azerbaijan. Can you imagine that?

            But I can imagine if your Scuds fly towards Azerbaijan what will happen to you later.

            Can you tell me only 1 reason why Russia will shoot Iskander in Azerbaijan ???? only 1 reason .... with the facts of course.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 10 June 2013 10: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: baltika-18
          Adviser to the President of Azerbaijan Vafa Guluzade: "



          My friend !!! he’s been retired for 10 years !!!! laughing
          and less read the opposition newspapers)))) or give me the statements of WATER))) well, also not serious))))))))) Regards ...
          1. Gari
            Gari 10 June 2013 10: 32 New
            +1
            Azerbaijan and Turkey call for military alliance

            BAKU, September 14. Azerbaijan and Turkey can create joint military associations. This appeal to the authorities of the two countries was made by the deputy of the Azerbaijani parliament Zahid Oruj, Novosti-Azerbaijan reports.


            "The time has come to create joint military associations. For this there is the necessary legal basis and conditions. The created associations will not be directed against anyone, but will regulate the military balance in the region," Oruj said.

            In his opinion, the visit of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to Baku this week demonstrated that "Azerbaijan and Turkey operate on the basis of a single coordination system" and that "bilateral relations are at the highest level of strategic partnership, and nothing can disturb them. ".

            Recall that Ankara, developing strategic cooperation with Baku, reaffirmed that it will continue to support Azerbaijan, and also is not going to open borders with Armenia until the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is resolved. On this note, the official Azerbaijani-Turkish negotiations ended, which took place - which is symbolic - in the city of Gabala, where the radar is located, the extension of which Russia is unsuccessfully seeking
            More:
        3. omsbon
          omsbon 10 June 2013 11: 23 New
          +6
          Quote: baltika-18
          : "We demand an end to discrimination against our compatriots living in Russia. Otherwise, the KLO will take concrete steps to suspend the activities of the Russian embassy in Baku and to evict Russians from Azerbaijan

          I wonder how long the column will be driven from the markets of Azerbaijan. merchants? And how loud they will howl, heading to their historical homeland?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 June 2013 11: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: omsbon
            I wonder how long the column will be driven from the markets of Azerbaijan. merchants? And how loud they will howl, heading to their historical homeland?


            let them not howl!
            Other countries will go!
            basically they have money and problems will only be in adaptation!
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 10 June 2013 12: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: omsbon
            I wonder how long the column will be driven from the markets of Azerbaijan. merchants? And how loud they will howl, heading to their historical homeland?


            OMSBON - sometimes I agree with you)) sometimes not)))) let's see, for example, with the Georgians ..)) well, they flew from Russia to IL-76 .. and that ....... but they were accepted in Europe and in Turkey .. and work. for the benefit of your pocket)))) to us, these Schengen Europeans give up, defend their embassies like Berlin in 45)) (so I told the consul that I would come again on the tank, like my grandfather at 45 so he called the police laughing )
            but the Georgians are given for a sweet soul, as the reference of the village council)))))))))
        4. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 June 2013 11: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: baltika-18
          Advisor to the President of Azerbaijan Vafa Guluzade

          There is no such adviser to the President !!
          Quote: baltika-18
          Excerpts from the Azerbaijani media:
          -Russia, which still has not abandoned imperial ambitions, is Azerbaijan’s largest enemy.
          -Russia is a loser, it is breaking up before our eyes.
          -Our country is profitable to delay negotiations (Karabakh). We must wait for the collapse of Russia.

          Please provide links to articles!
          The pasture by you is a lie, probably from Armenian sites !!
          Quote: baltika-18
          Foreign Minister Mamedyarov accuses Russia of cooperation with Armenia
          give a link please!
          this is also a lie!
          but that's the truth!

          2013-05-21 13:29:32
          "Relations between Azerbaijan and Russia are very positive from the point of view of various spheres. In terms of bilateral relations and from an economic point of view, our relations are developing progressively in accordance with the strategic partnership agreement signed by the heads of Azerbaijan and Russia in 2008, and we are acting within the framework of this document, "Elmar Mammadyarov said.
          http://www.vestikavkaza.ru/news/Mamedyarov-i-Lavrov-obsudili-Karabakh-nefteprovo



          di-Evrovidenie.html
          Read the Armenian press less!
          1. omsbon
            omsbon 10 June 2013 11: 41 New
            10
            Quote: Yarbay
            Read the Armenian press less!

            Dear Alibek!
            You will not believe it, but most members of the forum do NOT read either Armenian or Azerbaijani newspapers!
            1. gene
              gene 10 June 2013 11: 53 New
              +6
              Precisely, dear Omsbon, 10 points.
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 10 June 2013 12: 04 New
            +4
            Quote: Yarbay
            Read the Armenian press less!

            Quote: omsbon
            You will not believe it, but most forum users do NOT read either Armenian or Azerbaijani newspapers at all

            Really do not read. And about the links ....
            I just typed "anti-Russian sentiments in Azerbaijan" in a search engine, read what it showed and briefly stated.
            There is no smoke without fire; you must choose if you want to refute. I, in principle, are indifferent to the fate of both Azerbaijan and Armenia, as well as the future fate of the diasporas in Russia, I am not indifferent only to the fate of those who consider themselves Russian, and they are.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 10 June 2013 12: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: baltika-18
              I just typed "anti-Russian sentiments in Azerbaijan" in a search engine, read what it showed and briefly stated.

              so there mostly Armenian sites print))))
              Look at the address of the link, go through it and go to the Armenian site!
              Understand that you brought an obvious lie, for me, a person who reads local and foreign press every day!
              Yours!
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 10 June 2013 13: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                Understand that you brought an obvious lie, for me, a person who reads local and foreign press every day!

                Perhaps Alibek. I’m not arguing. But the fact that Guluzade is an anti-Russian personality does not cause any doubts. He even looked at the interview.
                1. P-15
                  P-15 10 June 2013 13: 46 New
                  +2
                  Well, so Zhirik carries even heresy heresy, but we do not propose to put him on a stake.
                  1. baltika-18
                    baltika-18 10 June 2013 14: 30 New
                    +3
                    Quote: P-15
                    Well, so Zhirik carries even heresy heresy, but we do not propose to put him on a stake.

                    As for Zhirik, by the way, I do not mind, one would ........m less.
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 10 June 2013 14: 31 New
                  +3
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  But the fact that Guluzade is an anti-Russian personality does not raise any doubts.

                  I would not say anti-Russian, anti-Russian, yes!
                  and who is Guluzade ??
                  He is an ordinary citizen like me, Ali, Rauf or Vurgun !!
                  Is he an official or, at worst, a member of parliament? -NO!
                  In Russia, Zhirinovsky, Zatulin and others poured so much dirt on my country, now because of this I have to dream that the amers against us would establish the Pershing !?
                  Honestly this is not serious!
        5. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 14: 46 New
          0
          baltika-18: Judging by your words and the results of the Azerbaijani media’s exposure, then you should then throw 10 atomic bombs on Armenia, which openly plans to include Stavropol and Krasnodar Territories when creating “Great Armenia”.

          Now consider your words.

          1. I have been meeting these Imperial ambitions for 3 years on this site. Even in my face they wrote words ... YES WE ARE EMPIRE ..... Isn’t it?

          2. Regarding the sale. And what do you want to say Russia did not share? I lay out a list of oligarchs and how they got rich?

          3. Yes, our country must wait. For reasons
          a) Armenia is weakening in all directions.
          b) Miracles do happen and history has shown it, it is completely possible that the Armenians will not endure this slavery as they write. Since they laid you the whole country. And in the outcome of the influence of Russia, what will happen? ... in)))) The enemy of my enemy will become my friend.
          e) There are many dangers from Russia and the main thing is the Lezgi and Talysh factor, which it has used for centuries.
          Or do you show the meeting in Moscow of Talysh and Lezghins who want to arrange a coup in Baku?
          f) Azerbaijan has always been a target. Is not it so? If a trans-Caspian pipeline is built, do you know what it promises economically for Russia? It is not for nothing that Lavrov threatened that if this project is built, then we will do something else. And they say against scrap there is no reception if there is no other scrap. And here the communication is useful.

          It’s not logical for you since you see the words and you don’t understand the meaning !!!

          Now ask yourself why Azerbaijan has become so? If it is difficult to answer, I can help you!
      2. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 10 June 2013 20: 46 New
        +2
        There is another plane. Recently I was returning from a business trip on it. We were caught in a cloud with hail over Turkey, it was shaking great. What I brought, I will not say, not Iskander, but it will also go.
    2. Samminosh
      Samminosh 10 June 2013 09: 08 New
      +2
      Caspian or Iran ...
    3. P-15
      P-15 10 June 2013 10: 30 New
      +2
      The route can easily turn out to be true with a large shoulder but possible. Something like that, probably. To Astrakhan there by sea to Iran and from there to Armenia.
    4. Volkhov
      Volkhov 10 June 2013 20: 39 New
      0
      Quote: smersh70
      I wonder how they were thrown ... Iskander does not fit on board the IL-76, or Ruslan ...

      To drive large equipment, even under Saakashvili, tunnels in Georgia were expanded several years ago - there is only one rhetoric, but the plans of globalists must be fulfilled ...
      Another thing is that they may not exist in Armenia - the heirs of the newspaper Pravda ...
  8. cartridge
    cartridge 10 June 2013 08: 52 New
    +3
    Here is a video from RTR on this topic
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 09: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: cartridge
      Here is a video from RTR on this topic

      so it’s not in Armenia!))))
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 10 June 2013 09: 11 New
        +1
        very old video)
    2. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 10 June 2013 09: 28 New
      +6
      Sorry. But it painfully reminds the Astrakhan steppes, namely the Ashuluk training ground, where they fire and missile and air defense personnel ...
      1. esaul
        esaul 10 June 2013 09: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        so it’s not in Armenia!))))

        In Armenia, in Armenia ...
        Quote: smersh70
        shown yesterday in Vesti .... these are firing on the territory of Russia ... but they seemed to show that they are shooting in Armenia ......

        Quote: kotdavin4i
        Sorry. But it painfully reminds the Astrakhan steppes, namely the Ashuluk training ground, where they fire and missile and air defense personnel ...

        Guys, often the news is accompanied by pictures not quite from the scene, but as an illustration. The fact itself, voiced by official state officials and importantly, is important. Recall the pictures of the use of OM in Syria and connect the arrest of fighters with OM intercepted on the Turkish border and make comparisons. drinks
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 10 June 2013 10: 43 New
          +1
          Nothing is written in the Turkish press about the Iskander’s test in Armenia! It is unlikely that such an event would go unnoticed in Turkey! hi
          1. esaul
            esaul 10 June 2013 10: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Nothing is written in the Turkish press about the testing of the Iskanders in Armenia!

            Colleague hi So in the news itself about the trials on the terr. Armenia is not told anything! Maybe I didn't read it carefully? Now I will "come back". It talks about deliveries, and shots - as an illustration of the power of weapons !!!
            What are we discussing that which was not there, guys and what was not announced? recourse
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 10 June 2013 11: 15 New
              +1
              Nothing is said about deliveries! Russia has the opportunity to destroy missile defense from Russian territory, too! It seems to me again that someone is launching rumors as with the deliveries of Iskanders to Syria! hi
              1. esaul
                esaul 10 June 2013 11: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: esaul
                It talks about deliveries, and shots with firing - as an illustration of the power of weapons !!!

                Quote: ayyildiz
                It seems to me again that someone is starting up rumors as with the deliveries of the Iskanders to Syria! Maybe they still want to politically put pressure on someone, and that's why they are starting up such rumors?

                I suggest to wait wink drinks
                1. Gari
                  Gari 10 June 2013 12: 29 New
                  +2
                  On September 17-19, 2012, at the “Baghramyan” training ground of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia, during the joint operational-strategic exercise “Interaction-2012” with the Collective Rapid Reaction Force (CRRF) of the member states of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) general training to practice the practical actions of troops (forces).
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 10 June 2013 15: 05 New
                    -5
                    why are you every time the eyes of the Russian troops ... NO, so that as a Caucasian ... go one on one and show what you are capable of ....
                    but no ...... darling is not)))))))))))))))))))
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 June 2013 11: 42 New
          -1
          Quote: esaul
          In Armenia, in Armenia ...

          Yes, not in Armenia, do not be a shame))))))))))))
          Quote: esaul
          . The fact itself, voiced by official government officials and importantly, is important

          the fact of the matter is that they do not confirm the fact, but the intention is voiced!
          Gabala was also transferred to Yerevan))
          Although I have a drum where Russia wants to bring its weapons!
          Maybe well done!
          1. Stoic
            Stoic 10 June 2013 11: 54 New
            +2
            Although I have a drum where Russia wants to bring its weapons

            If you weren’t on the drum)))))
            You might think your anger can change something)))
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 10 June 2013 12: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Stoic
              You might think your anger can change something)))




              because of his "anger" and correct answers to you, you are already a sergeant laughing Well, nothing, soon you will be ordinary.)))))
              1. Gari
                Gari 10 June 2013 12: 50 New
                +1
                The fact that he is a sergeant with a negative rating is understandable from you, but you are growing in rank so suspiciously
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 10 June 2013 13: 15 New
                  0
                  Quote: Gari
                  but you are growing up so suspiciously


                  this applies primarily to you. laughing
                2. smersh70
                  smersh70 10 June 2013 15: 09 New
                  0
                  be proud that you will soon get such an opponent ........ am

                  and about the title ... thanks to ALL the GUYS who put the pluses .... honestly and fairly .... hi
                  it used to be you cheating and misleading the world community, including the Russian one ....... this will not happen anymore, that's enough ..... we woke up and give you an awesome answer ..... NO PASARAN !! !!!!!!!! hi
                  1. Gari
                    Gari 10 June 2013 16: 18 New
                    0
                    Quote: smersh70
                    and about the title ... thanks to ALL the GUYS who put the pluses .... honestly and fairly

                    put us cons only you have me exactly three of your number on the forum
                    Quote: smersh70
                    it used to be you cheating and misleading the world community, including the Russian one ....... this will not happen anymore, that's enough

                    but it’s for sure that it’s great for you to cheat even enviably - because the power is in truth
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 10 June 2013 13: 09 New
                +2
                Quote: smersh70
                because of his "anger" and correct answers to you, you are already a sergeant

                He banned ten times here !! He has 10 nicknames and everything is in turtles)))))))
                The administration of our site shows humanity to it)))))))
                Others can’t have multiple accounts, but the representative of the long-suffering and otgenacidno-can))
                1. Stoic
                  Stoic 10 June 2013 13: 26 New
                  0
                  He has 10 nicknames and everything in turtles


                  Yarbai.
                  You are always unfounded
                  The rules for all are one
                  This is a military review, not Azerbaijan))))
                  1. Apollo
                    Apollo 10 June 2013 13: 36 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Stoic
                    This is a military review, not Azerbaijan))))


                    and not Armenia. laughing
                2. P-15
                  P-15 10 June 2013 13: 27 New
                  0
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Others can’t have multiple accounts, but the representative of the long-suffering and otgenacidno-can))
                  It’s sinful to laugh at the wretched)
  9. Xmypp
    Xmypp 10 June 2013 09: 04 New
    0
    By these Iskanders all ears were already buzzing. How many of them do we have? Can anyone answer?
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 10 June 2013 09: 20 New
      +3
      Well, if they didn’t deliver anywhere ... Wiki writes that 28 pieces were produced ... it will not be enough, it would be necessary esche !!! fellow
      1. builder
        builder 10 June 2013 15: 09 New
        0
        According to the plans announced at the beginning of 2011, during the implementation of the state armaments program for 2011-2020. (adopted on 31.12.2010) it is planned to supply 10 missile brigades of Iskander-M complexes to the armed forces. On August 01, 2011, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia D.Bulgakov said that in total 120 Iskander complexes are planned to be adopted by the Russian Armed Forces. The missiles are produced at the Votkinsk plant, self-propelled launchers and TZM - PA "Barrikady" (Volgograd, in series since 2006, production capacity for 2008 - 12 complexes per year), chassis - Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (St. Minsk, Belarus). "Iskander-E" - export version of the complex with a reduced range and conventional warheads.
    2. harrymur
      harrymur 10 June 2013 09: 27 New
      +7
      there are not many of them, butchert among "friends" is that the Iskander are cunning rackets, created back in the USSR as a response to Pershing in Europe, that is, they were suitable for medium and short-range missiles, then there were SNV treaties, Persings were removed from Europe, and Iskander became operational-tactical, but the groundwork remained))) so that the range and filling of the heads depend on the mood of the Russians at one time or another))), by the way, in the foreign press there were articles that in a series on the topic of otr Iskander so cruise missiles are also included, in short, the ideology of this weapon is not at all operational tactical)))
      1. esaul
        esaul 10 June 2013 10: 03 New
        +5
        Quote: harrimur
        so that the range and filling of the heads depend on what mood the Russians have at one time or another))),

        Super - specifications! hi drinks
      2. Suhov
        Suhov 10 June 2013 10: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: harrimur
        from Europe, the perchings were removed, and the iskander became operational-tactical, but it remained hurt))) so that range and filling of heads depends on what mood in Russian at one time or another)))

        The influence of mood on the tactical and technical characteristics of the missile system?
        Not understood...
        what
        Quote: harrimur
        short the ideology of this weapon is completely not operational tactical)))

        ... but I completely agree with your conclusions!
        good
    3. esaul
      esaul 10 June 2013 10: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Xmypp
      How many of them do we have?

      hi All are ours ...! fellow
  10. Orel
    Orel 10 June 2013 09: 04 New
    +2
    Each action causes a reaction. We still have something to answer to the development of American missile defense. The main thing is that the United States could not drive a wedge into our relations with Armenia or Azerbaijan.
  11. slaventi
    slaventi 10 June 2013 09: 10 New
    +4
    GDP made a pleasant "surprise" for Erdogan.
    1. maxcor1974
      maxcor1974 10 June 2013 09: 58 New
      +3
      Erdogan is probably not up to the Iskanders right now. He would have to deal with his fifth column, he has a chance to repeat the fate of Gaddafi
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 10 June 2013 10: 51 New
        0
        Quote: maxcor1974
        Erdogan is probably not up to the Iskanders right now. He would have to deal with his fifth column, he has a chance to repeat the fate of Gaddafi

        Why not up to them !? winked It’s a direct connection! Erdogan will have a difficult choice. Either in the SCO, or stay in NATO, becoming a completely controlled puppet of the West. Putin simply makes it easier for him by showing a "fist" if he suddenly decides to continue his pro-Western policy! wink
        1. esaul
          esaul 10 June 2013 11: 11 New
          +3
          Greetings, Sergey! hi
          Quote: sergo0000
          Erdogan faces a difficult choice: either in the SCO or in NATO, becoming a fully controlled puppet of the West

          Tooting good That's why he, sincere and tired of wandering between Washington, Syria and Russia, when he begins to bake. Everybody wants to please everyone, everybody wants to get some money from hunting and I really want to become a regional leader. No wonder it was said - sitting on two chairs is problematic. drinks
          Hello to your noisy family and say - love
          1. sergo0000
            sergo0000 10 June 2013 11: 52 New
            +2
            esaul
            Greetings Valery! hi
            I say that Erdogan’s mountain has now fallen off his shoulders! drinks You can safely call the "regional committee" and declare your withdrawal from the "party" laughing
            Like, after such arguments as "Iskander" I am powerless! smile Greetings to you from my "female hostel" too! drinks
  12. korwet
    korwet 10 June 2013 09: 23 New
    +1
    StrateG (1) Today, 08:33 AM New
    What I want to thank the Americans for is that they do not give us guarantees. Otherwise, everything - we would relax

    What guarantees amers can give, lying creatures cannot be trusted in anything, guarantees can be claimed, but one must act on the basis of one’s interests.
  13. alihan.kz
    alihan.kz 10 June 2013 09: 32 New
    +2
    shah about America now we are waiting for the mat)
    1. Zheka Varangian
      Zheka Varangian 10 June 2013 10: 05 New
      +1
      I will have a checkmate if they are not there, and more of them need to be released: a good argument to cool the hotheads, if you want to plan something against Russia, then we go to you !!! (Iskander brigade) smile
  14. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 10 June 2013 10: 05 New
    +1
    Together with the deployment of OTRK in Armenia, a means of protection from the Kyrgyz Republic is needed. It is interesting that Russia has this in this regard.
    1. esaul
      esaul 10 June 2013 10: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      Together with the deployment of OTRK in Armenia, a means of protection from the Kyrgyz Republic is needed. Interestingly, in this regard, Russia has

      Welcome hi Well, if the S-300s were already supplied to the Armenian Armed Forces (about which there were official statements and Sarksyan did not use them to brag to the striped delegation and for which he received a "failure" from the Russian leadership at one time), then about the "anti-winged" defense , I think - worried ahead of time. Moreover, the system was adopted at the Russian base, and not the Armed Forces of the ArmR.At that, not badly, Sarksyan will again want to boast.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 12: 40 New
        -1
        [quote = esaul] Sargsyan will want to boast again.



        Yesaul !!!! bravo !!!!!!! but it’s hard for me to understand you))) you are talking on the one hand, then the other)))))
    2. sergo0000
      sergo0000 10 June 2013 10: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      Together with the deployment of OTRK in Armenia, a means of protection from the Kyrgyz Republic is needed. It is interesting that Russia has this in this regard.

      Read the above post Garimura.
    3. Suhov
      Suhov 10 June 2013 11: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      that on this account Russia has.

      In Russia, unlike Greece, in this regard, there is everything you need!
      wassat
  15. Opera
    Opera 10 June 2013 10: 19 New
    +4
    Everything is very logical and most importantly on time! It meets the historical and most important current interests of Russia in the region. A good answer is a matter of evil squealing, screeching and hissing towards Russia! Let them peep.
    1. esaul
      esaul 10 June 2013 10: 23 New
      +3
      Greetings Igor hi
      Quote: Oper
      Everything is very logical and most importantly on time!

      It would always be so - we would be happy wink
      Quote: Oper
      Let them peep.

      After all, the caravan goes, despite the barking ... drinks
      1. Opera
        Opera 10 June 2013 10: 54 New
        +2
        Hi Valera!
        Quote: esaul
        It would always be so - we would be happy
        Yes, everything seems not bad! You can see where we are going, which means there is something to do and more fun at heart!
        Particularly touching are the attempts of some here to pour dirt on the Armenians, they say, look who you are friends with !!! It seems that some indeed hold us for Ivanov fools, imagine! They need to start growing wiser on their own with Russian fairy tales with this character. Well, at least read the finals - a fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it ... Tired of hinting already!
        1. esaul
          esaul 10 June 2013 11: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Oper
          . Well, at least read the finals - a fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it ... Tired of hinting already!

          good drinks
        2. Suhov
          Suhov 10 June 2013 11: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: Oper
          It seems that some indeed hold us for Ivanov fools, imagine!

          Once a Turkish correspondent asked Nikita Khrushchev ... is it true that every second fool in Russia?
          .
          Yes, but only here in Russia a person, before being called a fool, is called TURK ...
          wassat
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 10 June 2013 13: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: Sukhov
            correspondent asked Nikita Khrushchev

            What the hell are you doing?
            stop
            Answered N.S. Khrushchev,
            good
            and cons, and significant cons - fly to me!
            fool
            Where's the justice???
            wassat
  16. Army1
    Army1 10 June 2013 10: 22 New
    +3
    Just let’s not, again, excuse me, forgive everyone for breeding, Iskander is an element of stability, nobody is going to beat anyone with them.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 10 June 2013 12: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Army1
      Iskander is an element of stability, nobody is going to beat anyone.

      The choice is up to the "partners".
      But unfortunately the right to choose includes the right to make a mistake.
      That is why the Iskanders are real, not 3D copies of the originals.
  17. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 10 June 2013 10: 32 New
    +4
    Quote: Panahkhan
    If you think that Azerbaijanis think this iskander can even indirectly be directed to the territory of Azerbaijan, then you are deeply mistaken!
    Our somehow violet. Trust me 100% guarantee! And I can give a guarantee of 101% that IF EVEN AND APPEAR, it will not be for the sake of Azerbaijan.

    He will be for the sake of world peace!
  18. gene
    gene 10 June 2013 12: 01 New
    0
    The Azerbaijanis at this forum want to convince everyone that Iskander was not brought to Armenia, and if they were brought, then not against them, but against Turkey. The weapon shoots in all directions. And there is no need here to write about the price of gas, etc.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 12: 48 New
      +2
      Gene !!!!!! if from all that you wrote, you only understood it. I have no words)))) re-read it again))))))))
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 June 2013 14: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        Gene !!!!!! if from all that you wrote, you only understood it. I have no words)))) re-read it again))))))))

        Yes, not Gena)))
        Yeshe registered in a previous topic)) read the archive of his comments)))))))
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 14: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: Gene
      The Azerbaijanis at this forum want to convince everyone that Iskander was not brought to Armenia, and if they were brought, then not against them, but against Turkey. The weapon shoots in all directions. And there is no need here to write about the price of gas, etc.

      Purely Armenian logic)))))))))))
      Under whatever flag you come here, your logic, like the famous * Armenian disease *, which the Balayan is proud of, does not let you go unnoticed))))))
  19. OlegYugan
    OlegYugan 10 June 2013 12: 15 New
    +3
    The Iskanders are a good argument in the Middle East theater of operations, moreover, it leads to the strengthening of Russia's position.
  20. Lalaloa
    Lalaloa 10 June 2013 12: 37 New
    0
    It seems to be so bad, but no, we have to do worse. The authorities do not cease to amaze. This site recently came across: http://w2c3d.tk where information about each of us is publicly posted. I don’t know why to do this, but it personally scares me. Nevertheless, I somehow managed to delete my data, though I had to register, but no one could "dig up" anything on me.
  21. KENTAVROS
    KENTAVROS 10 June 2013 12: 56 New
    +2
    Iskander - leads to the strengthening of Russia's position on the southern borders.
  22. smersh70
    smersh70 10 June 2013 14: 51 New
    +2
    [quote = Stoik] Initially, the general with the cat surname Vasyak, then still a colonel, appeared during the years of military aggression of Azerbaijan against the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Vasyak then developed military operations,

    Firstly, he is Russian .....
    secondly, that’s how you feel about Russian officers ...
    thirdly - whose cow would mumble ..... look at your nickname ... you are our unstable ..... fellow
  23. Apollo
    Apollo 10 June 2013 15: 06 New
    +2
    I confessed I watched the video and was stunned by the speech of the Armenian scientist, telling the truth and therefore deserves respect. Well, what about Gari?
    Unlike you, I respect him.

  24. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 10 June 2013 17: 09 New
    +1
    How was heavy equipment delivered to Armenia? Was the air bridge organized, and in this case it was necessary to ask Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey or Iran to fly through their airspace.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 17: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Jurkovs
      How was heavy equipment delivered to Armenia? Was the air bridge organized, and in this case it was necessary to ask Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey or Iran to fly through their airspace.

      Apparently a duck!
    2. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 10 June 2013 20: 56 New
      +2
      And how do you think our base is supplied? How do we repair equipment in factories in Russia? I don’t know who agreed with whom, but we fly without problems.
  25. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 10 June 2013 17: 50 New
    0
    In the modern world, arguments are not words that have sulu but real weapons !!!!!
    Therefore, it is necessary to build more Iskanders !!

    Glory to the SOVIET UNION for his legacy of rocket !!!!!!
  26. Opera
    Opera 10 June 2013 18: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Gari
    The fact that he is a sergeant with a negative rating is understandable from you, but you are growing in rank so suspiciously

    Quote: smersh70
    and about the title ... thanks to ALL the GUYS who put the pluses .... honestly and fairly .... you used to cheat and mislead the world community, including the Russian ....... more of this will not be enough ..... we woke up and great give you an answer ..... NO PASARAN !!!!!!!!!!

    But this is really an interesting thing! Everyone is available to view the ratings of comments. Anyone who is interested can see how many minuses Smerch70 grabbed for his writings and ... a major with a positive rating! Tornado70, and tomorrow it’s weak to become a general ?! bully
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 18: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Oper
      Tornado70

      Smersh))))))))
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 20: 41 New
      +1
      A former colleague ...... you always seem to have long-range missile systems !!!!!!!! laughing I'm not a tornado .... but a tornado)))))
      and secondly, the title, as far as I know, is assigned not only for comments in this article ........... there are still many sections and articles .... with respect .... drinks
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 20: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Oper
      Everyone is available to view comments ratings

      So the sergeants minus it, and the generals plus)))))
      That's the whole difference)))
    4. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 22: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Oper
      Major with a positive rating! Tornado70, and tomorrow it’s weak to become a general ?!



      take the Baltic stock and wait ..... I will be soon ... laughing drinks good
  27. Opera
    Opera 10 June 2013 18: 28 New
    -1
    Quote: smersh70
    Yesaul !!!! bravo !!!!!!! but it’s hard for me to understand you))) you are talking on the one hand, then the other)))))

    Read koment Sukhov about how Khrushchev was asked a question!
  28. Opera
    Opera 10 June 2013 18: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    Smersh))))))))

    Well, after all, we understood about whom bully, although it’s better to have a tornado and then some kind of masochism ...
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 20: 49 New
      +1
      Mind you do not understand Smersha
      Do not measure arshin
      it becomes special
      so Death need only believe !!!!!!!!!! fellow
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  31. ademarq155
    ademarq155 10 June 2013 21: 37 New
    +2


    Turkish Iskander J-600T Lightning Kvazi ballistic missile to produce Turkey, 300-350 km radius
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  33. Opera
    Opera 10 June 2013 22: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    So sergeants minus it, and the generals plus))))) That's the whole difference)))

    A familiar situation in life.
    Quote: smersh70
    Mind you do not understand Smersha

    In my year 2006, in Moscow, the Department of Internal Affairs detained several Azeri police officers for fake diplomas of higher education, thanks to which they received officer ranks. Criminal cases were initiated. One of these "officers" in all seriousness was indignant to the depths of his soul - why would this CSS say that he had bought a diploma?!?! Why did they buy it !!! Everyone laughed a lot.
    You certainly have a different situation, it’s about night and you are still not a general - the day was wasted!
    And yet, be a little trickier! Well, cease to exhibit the same pictures in different topics. Come up with something new. You can’t shine like that, the Armenians are laughing already!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 10 June 2013 22: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Oper
      You can’t shine like that, the Armenians are laughing already!


      Good evening Igor. hi

      They wrote it to you personally and reported the stunning news about laughter, or did you come up with it yourself ?! winked
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 23: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        This they wrote to you personally



        they sent him (in) a stupid cognac with the inscription "let's finish in the Caucasus and Krasnodar and get to Kiev)))) laughing
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 23: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Oper
      A familiar situation in life.



      I cheated on you - so fulfilled) already lieutenant colonel))) in a couple of days I will get to you hi and try. so that you are demoted))))))))
      and I got my real diploma in Belarus ... and all the titles. I got it on (in) the ronte ... honestly. with my work and then ..... but I am silent about the Armenians .... the enemy is not the same fellow
      but it’s necessary to cut off gasoline to Ukraine ... so that you ride a bicycle ... and frozen boots laughing (sorry Ukraine) .......
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 10 June 2013 23: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        but all the same need to cut off gasoline to Ukraine... so that you ride a bicycle ... and frozen boots (forgive Ukraine) ....


        but this is nonsense, Ukraine’s brotherly country has nothing to do with it, individual individuals are guilty, who, instead of defending the interests of their country of residence, defend the interests of a country (the economy of which is in full swing and is about to bend) which accuses it of military cooperation with Azerbaijan . Guess the first time what kind of country are you talking about ?! laughing
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 10 June 2013 23: 27 New
          +4
          Yes, I understand !!!!! how much Ukraine has done to us. Maybe no state has done so much! good just took the soul. that he laid out such libels here ...... hi
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 11 June 2013 08: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: Oper
      One of these "officers" in all seriousness to the depths of his soul was indignant

      You know, to be honest, I don’t give a damn about who * what rank * would be a man!
      I answered you, because you thought that someone had admins in favorites!
  34. Opera
    Opera 11 June 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    A man who has repeatedly laid out pictures in different themes trying to set some on others is an elementary, cowardly arsonist and provocateur! Drink it at least to the Field Marshal, the main thing is not to kiss before death - how it was and will remain so. For me, Armenians are the same people as Azerbaijanis, Chechens, Ukrainians ...
    The scoundrel will remain a scoundrel! When you write about the beautiful country of Azerbaijan with rivers of milk and honey, only your patriotism respects respect, if it is of course sincere. When at the same time you are trying in every possible way to humiliate Armenia, the Armenians and not only set the Russians on them ... There is no word! Everyone can type in a search engine, at least - why Azerbaijanis flee from Azerbaijan and ... milk rivers flow in the opposite direction, and the kissel banks dissolve in the fog! No need to read the Russian or Armenian press - refer to Western sources! About Ukraine ... - leave, this is a dispute between the Slavs! Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are not fraternal peoples, they are one people. And it’s not for you to drive in wedges - it’s troublesome!
    You personally have died - the officers of the Russian Federation do not wash their ranks in the Baltic Sea and do not drink with anyone!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 11 June 2013 10: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Oper
      A person who has repeatedly laid out pictures in different themes trying to set some on others -

      Do you call it pictures ??

      it’s fascism and who wants to keep silent or says that everyone does it, scoundrels and villains!
      http://open.az/index.php?cstart=6&newsid=2478
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 11 June 2013 22: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Oper
      You personally have died - the officers of the Russian Federation do not wash their ranks in the Baltic Sea and do not drink with anyone!


      I didn’t offer you a title to wash ... but wait with a beer! read well .....
      secondly, I myself know how to wash the ranks ... in Russia .. although you came out under (in) the lag of another state ..
      and with whom to drink .... it's mine or your business hi
      but about jelly ... rivers and milk --- we reflect our point of view .... whether you like it or not ......... hi
  35. Opera
    Opera 11 June 2013 10: 56 New
    0
    No, I call the pictures exhibited by this figure many times and at what in different topics the photos of the Armenians with anti-Russian (anti-Zaparovsky) posters! Repeatedly and persistently. Do not try to seem more stupid than you really are and even more so consider the fools of the rest. Check out the story of his comments! If you want, you can learn a lot of things, if you wish! Conflicts, including in Nagorno-Karabakh, should be resolved at the negotiating table. Any massacre begins with conversations in the kitchen of not smart and distant people = these are not our opponents, they are small, hungry, etc. Then blood begins to pour on both sides, with most of which are innocent! There will be no right and wrong then, and the kitchen arsonists will receive the next stars!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 11 June 2013 17: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Oper
      There will be no right and guilty then

      From the fact that you are not up to date, so say so!
      There are right and guilty!
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 11 June 2013 22: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Oper
      Conflicts, including in Nagorno-Karabakh, should be resolved at the negotiating table.


      on the one hand, your hand doesn’t rise ..... but I’ll write - I would see your opponent capture your hometown (as in 41) and you suggest the opponent sit down at the negotiating table ..... sit down at the table with Hitler and talk would be about world peace ....
      and about the conversations in the kitchen - you're right !!!! that is exactly how the Armenian intelligentsia started. reasoning about the great Armenia. about the annexation of Karabakh by Armenia .... that shed blood .....
  36. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 11 June 2013 11: 04 New
    +1
    There are many such comments here, as if relations between Russia and Azerbaijan are extremely tense. Why such ardent statements?
    Iskanders are a signal for Turkey and NATO. That's all.
  37. Vardan
    Vardan 11 June 2013 19: 00 New
    -2
    Let me remind you that 18 years after the armistice, the Iskanders were not in Armenia. And now it is not a fact that they are directed against Azerbaijan. Not a fact at all. So where are you guys ??? 18 years of threats, small dirty tricks on the borders and excuses like Russian-Martians-Pakimons and EVERYTHING !!! Aren't you ashamed yourself? Until the 2000s, the pants were dried, then the military budget was increased nowhere else, we studied in Turkey, bought miracles from Israel from Ukraine U res. Belarus, etc. And what's next ?? Again excuses and threats ... Or is it scary for rich powerful Azerbaijan with $ 60 billion in reserves and a military budget "more than the entire budget of Armenia" to attack "small, poor and dying out" Armenia? Maybe you should still prepare, about 100 years?
    I have no doubt in the courage of a certain number of soldiers from all over Azerbaijan (there were also worthy ones among them in the war), but let's look for answers at home, get ready and attack if the attacker has grown. And leave the chatter to women.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 11 June 2013 20: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: Vardan
      get ready and attack if the attacker has grown

      Georgia instantly dispersed the Ossetians, who likewise were showing off a break like that, well, and that there are a lot of them and more weapons, we have a SPIRIT stronger. Has Georgia attacked Tskhinvali and Russian troops appeared ??
      Are you taking Azerbaijanis as idiots ?? Azerbaijan is ready for war. Now there is a political battle. As long as Russia does not remain neutral, at least a thousand times stronger, they will not achieve anything stupidly except for recognizing Karabakh.
  38. Vardan
    Vardan 11 June 2013 21: 37 New
    -1
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: Vardan
    get ready and attack if the attacker has grown

    Georgia instantly dispersed the Ossetians, who likewise were showing off a break like that, well, and that there are a lot of them and more weapons, we have a SPIRIT stronger. Has Georgia attacked Tskhinvali and Russian troops appeared ??
    Are you taking Azerbaijanis as idiots ?? Azerbaijan is ready for war. Now there is a political battle. As long as Russia does not remain neutral, at least a thousand times stronger, they will not achieve anything stupidly except for recognizing Karabakh.

    It is not entirely correct to compare the Georgia-Ossetia and Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict. You DO NOT have so many weapons and you DO NOT have so many. And we are also ready for war today and yesterday and tomorrow. When Azerbaijan is ready to pay tens or even hundreds of thousands of the lives of its citizens for very vague prospects, then God will judge us. We have not forgotten Baku, Sumgayit, Maragu ... so we have nowhere to retreat.
    If you want to start a war, start, you want but you can’t wait for a chance. And arranging an Internet srach is the lot of regular agitators (I look at some here on this site as they go to work), deserters and trepovuns.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 11 June 2013 21: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Vardan
      When Azerbaijan will be ready to pay tens or even hundreds of thousands of lives of its citizens for



      we have at least these citizens. who will be called up for the army ........ and whoever you have ... everyone left ..)))) ... look at the sedentary hunger strike in Yerevan of war veterans ... they directly declare. that more will not go to war .....
      but we did not forget Khojaly..Malybeyli..Askiparu .... and the occupied lands ....
      about the imbalance .. that until 2002 there may have been parity .. but right now it has increased at times ... and not only the matter in the huge budget ... but it’s just from the binoculars that you can see. the guys will be very wrong. but very bad ....... hi
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 12 June 2013 20: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Vardan
      When Azerbaijan is ready to pay tens or even hundreds of thousands of the lives of its citizens for very vague prospects, then God will judge us.

      Azerbaijan is ready to return Karabakh with the least losses, but everyone remembers Russia.
      Quote: Vardan
      We have not forgotten Baku, Sumgayit, Maragu ... so we have nowhere to retreat.

      And I did not forget my native Iravan Khanate, especially Gokchu, where I come from.
      Quote: Vardan
      If you want to start a war, start, you want, but you can’t wait for a chance.

      We cannot because of the factor from the north, and not how you are trying to show here that the great wars are therefore Armenians.
      Quote: Vardan
      And arranging an Internet srach is the lot of regular agitators (I look at some here on this site as they go to work), deserters and trepovuns.

      Here, srach is not arranged, but the Armenian misinformation is being stopped. Gone are the days when all the information space was in your hands and you presented the conflict to others as beneficial to you.
  39. Vardan
    Vardan 11 June 2013 22: 20 New
    -2
    Quote: smersh70
    but we did not forget Khojaly ..Malybeyli..Askiparu.

    and do not forget! They don’t give out sweets in the war, war is dirty, sometimes low but sometimes necessary. And we will figure out our problems ourselves, you also don’t have Switzerland :))
    Quote: smersh70
    about the imbalance .. that until 2002 there may have been parity .. but right now it has increased at times ... and not only the matter in the huge budget ... but it’s just from the binoculars that you can see. the guys will be very wrong. but very bad ....... hi

    Well, well :)) go for it :))
  40. smersh70
    smersh70 11 June 2013 22: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Vardan
    And we will deal with our problems ourselves, you also do not have Switzerland :))


    well ah mart-jan .... deal with your problems we will help you wink
    Well, although we don’t have Switzerland)) I agree ...... but compared to you for sure- GERMANY !!!!!!!! fellowand as the hero (c) Ilma said about Shurik --- wedding music will play at your funeral! but you don’t hear this ....))))))) ...
  41. Vardan
    Vardan 12 June 2013 01: 49 New
    -2
    Denmark-Armenia 0: 4, just :) They also underestimated and did not believe :))))
    I am pleased to communicate with patriots (not zombie)
    Quote: smersh70
    and as the hero (c) Ilma said about Shurik --- wedding music will play at your funeral! but you don’t hear this ....))))))).

    Do not say gop until you bend :)) And then bravado does not contrast cardash with your awesome photo :))
    Quote: smersh70
    well ah mart-jan .... deal with your problems we will help you wink

    Help, help where you get away :))
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 12 June 2013 20: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Vardan
      Denmark-Armenia 0: 4, just :) They also underestimated and did not believe :))))

      Well, the. Armenian team is strong in the South Caucasus. But the Armenians also underestimated their previous rivals.
      Everyone really appreciates the Armenians, except for some patriots cheers. But the trick is that without Russia the Armenian troops will not stand. The problem is the same in both armies, BUT the economy of Azerbaijan and the population are ready for war. And in Armenia, war veterans saw the charms of respect for them , and the local population saw the chaos of the Karabakh people. I think it is not worth discussing the state of the economy of Armenia.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 12 June 2013 20: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Yeraz
        and in what state the economy of Armenia I think is not worth discussing.



        and tanks in the parade on their tractors laughing ... probably during the war years they will use tanks as pillboxes .....))))) it seems that someone from the Armenian comrades put (in) the mother of a downed drone)))) if it were ours .. so .. June 26th will be a parade ....... so I bet with him on a can of diesel fuel ...))) if he wins ... his diesel fuel))) and if I win - then my can of cognac))) )))
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 12 June 2013 20: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Vardan
      And then with your awesome photo



      let's not discuss here who is on this (in) otter ..... at least the one who is depicted, inspired some with great looks and actions .... hi
  42. smersh70
    smersh70 12 June 2013 20: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Vardan
    Denmark-Armenia 0: 4,


    You always have one-sided truth))))) in the joys of sports - you forgot. That 3 days ago it was Armenia0-1 MALTA ........ that's always)))) what they like ..to and report laughing
  43. Vardan
    Vardan 13 June 2013 01: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Yeraz
    .But the Armenians also underestimated the previous rivals.

    Quote: smersh70
    You always have a one-sided truth))))) in the joys of sports - you forgot. That 3 days ago it was Armenia0-1 MALTA ........ like that always)))) what they like ..to and report laughing

    Yes, I’m talking about this :)) We underestimated us, the Danes underestimated them, you underestimate ... continue the thought :)
  44. Vardan
    Vardan 13 June 2013 02: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Yeraz
    But the trick is that without Russia, Armenian troops will not stand up. The problem is the same in both armies, BUT the economy of Azerbaijan and the population are ready for war

    This is the OPINION to which you have every right, I think it will be in our hands at the time :)
    Quote: smersh70
    tanks at the parade on their laughing tractors ... probably during the war they will use tanks like Bunkers .....))))) it seems that some of the Armenian comrades put (in) the father of the downed drone))))

    Yeah :))) And shells and bullets from g.na :)) do not kill only insult :))