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Igor Shafarevich: “It will not be possible to make Russia non-Russian”

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90 is celebrated as a famous scientist and public figure.


As a schoolboy, he took exams at the mechanics and mathematics department of Moscow State University. And after graduating from school in 17 years, he was taken immediately to the last course of this faculty. In 19 years he defended his thesis, in 23 of the year - a doctoral thesis ... Then scientific and teaching activities, titles, awards. However, at the same time there is continuous internal work going on in it, prompted by the awareness of imperfection, injustice, falsehood of the surrounding life.

The desire to understand the causes of what is happening leads him to the circle of dissidents. He opposes the persecution of dissidents, the use of psychiatry as a means of political repression, becoming a member of the Human Rights Committee. Especially a lot of power gives protection of freedom of religion and the rights of believers in the USSR. And this is despite the fact that his father once admitted: during the years of the Civil War, he saw and experienced something that deprived him of faith in some good God for a man, God, with whom personal contact is possible.

But he himself felt differently: “It seems to me that faith helped me to experience despair throughout my life. Religious experience gives a person, the people the opportunity to perceive their life as something meaningful, to take it out of the category of the theater of the absurd. ”

Such an attitude to faith, to the love of Russian literature brought up since childhood, stories could not but tell, and his paths with liberal dissident circles diverge sharply. Because the main theme of his philosophical and journalistic reflections becomes the fate of the Russian people, the insulting and humiliated state in which he found himself.

Shafarevich comes to the conclusion that the most important thing for modern Russia is to defend the right to comprehend its history, its historical experience. And contribute to the change of national consciousness, crushed by blocks of lies and deception. It is necessary for the Russians to be ready for the inevitable turn of history, which otherwise could be disastrous for them.

The most recent scandals in society connected with the Victory Day only confirm the loyalty of his words: “But while looking at Russia as a mistake of history is considered advanced, cultural, intelligent, even the only decent one, until then, of course, no healthy development can be . Either the country will perish, or this spiritual illness can be overcome. ”

During the meeting with the journalist, Igor Shafarevich was cheerful, open and friendly. These days he completely immersed himself in the editing of his book on mathematics, published in Germany, but he did not refuse from a difficult conversation about the present and future of our country, our people.

- Igor Rostislavovich, what contributed to the awakening of civil and national feelings in you in your younger years? After all, it was necessary to overcome the instinct of self-preservation, elementary fear?

- Once I met a man who spent a lot of time in camps - more than thirty years. He was a nobleman and deeply Russian man. I remember, I asked him: apparently, the feeling of being a Russian person is still being laid since childhood, when you listen to folk tales and epics? He smiled: as a child I listened to Contes de Perrault (Perro's tales) ... But as a child I listened to real Russian tales. I think this was the reason for my awareness of myself as a Russian person.

I remember that in my room, in the communal apartment where we lived, there was a round rotating shelf. And there was a book of Russian epics, which I constantly re-read. On the other hand, I think that the national feeling should be innate, it is embedded in your genes. I remember what a great impression the film “Alexander Nevsky” made on all of us - especially in those places where high words about the Motherland were spoken.

Then I began to awaken the realization that in the surrounding life a lot of ostentatious, false, that the Russian people are being manipulated. The authorities are still acting the same way - with suspicion of Russians, ready to manipulate their feelings, often believing that Russian self-consciousness is already extremism and that it is necessary to fight it. At the same time, we live in a country where eighty percent of the Russian population ... This is a tremendous force, which is why the efforts of our opponents to subordinate us to our will are so great.

- Your talent in the field of accurate knowledge manifested itself very early. A person who has gained fame at an early age can indulge in self-delusion, feel elected, believe in his superiority over others ...


- Election? I think that this is not in Russian heredity, not in our roots. On the contrary, many of us have in our blood a readiness for self-sacrifice. I was told how once, during the Great Patriotic War, the enemy tank the attack was repulsed, and the turning point in it was when one of the fighters shouted "... so is your mother!" threw himself with a grenade under the tank. Namely - without swearing allegiance to some lofty ideals, but like that, under rude scolding, giving his soul "for his own." They always appeal to this feeling of Russians - to their patriotism - whenever they want to use them in their own interests.

The likelihood that people will start their own interests and rights to defend is great, so the authorities somehow have to deal with this, they feel the danger ...

I do not remember how in the current, but in the so-called Brezhnev constitution, even before perestroika, the attitude to the word “Russian” was as if it were indecent. Then the government began to remove some verbal prohibitions - but these were only minor external concessions. Nevertheless, there was a sharp reaction to attempts to regain old-fashioned, pre-revolutionary symbols and meanings. A meeting of historians was even organized in the Central Committee of the CPSU, which emphasized the ideological character, its materials were later published in the journal Voprosy istorii. It said that unacceptable revisionist deviations are beginning - that tsarist Russia, for example, is no longer viewed as a “prison of nations” ...

- The ancients said: Errare humanum est. That is, it is human to err. Time passes and you have to admit that any actions you have committed are erroneous. So, for example, the writer Leonid Borodin spoke a year or two before his death: yes, they say, imprisoned — and right, in general, they did ... The subtext is understandable — in the words of Zinoviev, dissidents were tagged into communism, and got into Russia. At that time, many thinking people went from “red” to an understanding of the national, and some of the nationalists began to understand what genuine values ​​were lost with the Soviet era. And you yourself wrote that the epoch of socialism was not a single monolith of seventy years in our country. What it divides, if simplified, into two parts - in many respects opposite to each other. Where do people come from that can explain to others all the truths and iniquities of life? All its difficulties and contradictions?


- There was a time when this question was painfully experienced by me ... Even now it is not clear to me whether people thinking not only of themselves, but also of the fate of the people, are part of the same people? Or is it some kind of separate people that need to be studied separately? I think that people who are capable of thinking about the fate of the people simply do not separate themselves from their interests, from the interests of the country. But many who are in a position to think about people think mostly about their own interests. They are strangers to him. And they simply lead people away from their awareness of their higher goals. And this, in my opinion, Danilevsky realized ... There are two different cultures that live an unknown life.

- In your book “The Three Thousand-Year Enigma” there is a phrase: “Carefully, gradually it will not be possible to make Russia non-Russian”. How strong is this conviction in you now, after many years. After all, it has now become clear what powerful forces are being used as instruments of de-Russification. In 90, I would agree with you, but now ...

- But in my opinion, no - after all, it cannot be done. We are very difficult to change. Of course, television today is largely anti-Russian. Very many programs that I watch are either simply Russophobic, or with Russophobic overtones. For this and captured television. Of course, it is difficult for a Russian person to be optimistic today, but still ... Although we still have Yeltsin terminology in use - Russians. It was suggested to him once that this is the old Russian word. And he had just the psychology of that kind of kings ... Russian is not characterized by aggressive nationalism, some kind of hostile perception of other nations, but the word “Russians” dissolves the Russian dominant in itself.

I know many people who are trying to actively counteract the evil of de-Russification. I read with interest the patriotic journalism - especially such that is supported by significant information, operates with facts. But I do not agree with some of the authors. Others, for example, are already talking about some form of "guerrilla war", about tough actions that today's young people are capable of, while we, the older generations, are mired in chatter. There are some moments that give them away as extreme people, but at the same time sincere and honest.

- Several years ago, at the joint collegium of the Prosecutor General’s Office, with the participation of other weighty structures, it was stated that the number one political enemy now is Russian nationalism. In total, more than three million crimes were committed in the country that year, and only three hundred and a few, that is, one hundredth percent, were crimes related to ethnic conflicts. But it was this one hundredth percent that was presented as the main danger.

- Yes, as we have already spoken to you, the authorities are afraid of the Russian national feelings. But we should be aware that we have enough reasons for new cataclysms and it is easy to rock the boat. I must note that in an attempt to suppress Russian nationalism, the authorities may have not only vicious approaches, but also quite natural fears. Recently, I read an article by a well-known propagandist of the national idea - that the government is pushing national protest forms underground. Perhaps it is so, but, on the other hand, a hard line on such a protest may give off adventurism and lead to destruction. This kind of "guerrilla war" can develop unpredictably. Therefore, we must be realistic. Still, recently life has turned a little bit for the better, some kind of stability has appeared, people have some kind of work that feeds them. And the opinion that life under construction is now to be destroyed, even if it is bad from a moral point of view, is too harsh a view on things.

- Actually, those who have been robbed are difficult to reconcile with robbers, just like those who were slandered with slanderers ... But let's talk about something else - tell me, are there any social topics that you would undertake to explain to people? What do you think today?

- You know, it is interesting to think about what hands for some reason have not reached yet. Interest enthralls and gives strength. When such an interest arises, it stimulates both activity and thought.

- You wrote that the 21st century will witness the destruction of that civilization type that has taken shape in Western Europe and the USA ...


- Yes, and I do not refuse this thought. Only this process is slower than I imagined ... And I would like to. But this process is slow, but it is going on. Already it is clear that Western society is losing its strength.

- Indeed, the historical elasticity is lost there. It seems to me, first of all, in connection with the introduction of multicultural approaches and flows of migrants. It changes Europe. Latin America is going on in America ...

- I must say that in these processes there is some historical justice. Thanks to them, she is recovering. Recall that the land on which Mexicans live today was once rejected by America, which is about half of Texas and California. Everything is not so hopeless, so let's hope.

Interviewed by Gennady Starostenko
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  1. slaventi
    slaventi 5 June 2013 15: 36 New
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    Shefarevich is a real Russian patriot. His "Russophobia" frightened liberal liberalization.
    1. Seraph
      Seraph 5 June 2013 16: 12 New
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      I agree. Personally, this book has opened my eyes to the national problem. By the way, Gumilyov wrote about the problem of the "small people", and before him the French scientist Augustin Koshen, a researcher of the French Revolution, first introduced this term into use
    2. Timeout
      Timeout 5 June 2013 18: 02 New
      +6
      The only one from science who expressed himself in defense of the Russians! And the other Sakharovs and others like them at that moment branded and charmed everyone. Yeah, he is the father of the Soviet Kuzkin’s mother, he became a super-opponent of the whole nation, regardless of whether he is Russian or Chukchi ... And the others supported him to one degree or another to the detriment of his people!
    3. atalef
      atalef 5 June 2013 18: 37 New
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      Quote: slaventi
      Shefarevich is a real Russian patriot
      Russian patriot.
      Shafarevich (from shafar - ceremonial horn (horn) in Judaism) was born in Zhitomir. Therefore, Russian. because its roots are uniquely Jewish.
      But this, of course, does not prevent him from being a patriot of Russia. For that, of course, respect for him.
      1. slaventi
        slaventi 6 June 2013 02: 59 New
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        Not a fact.
        Shafarevich (Belor. Shafarevich) - last name of Belarusian origin [1]; formed from the nickname Shafar (in the Old Belorussian language “manager, the one who manages the expenses”; Ukrainian. Shapar, shakhar - key keeper, housekeeper).
        In general, the concept of Russian is more cultural.
        If Shefarevich is Jewish, then Pushkin is Ethiopian. Shefarevich is Russian.
        1. Aeneas
          Aeneas 6 June 2013 10: 10 New
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          as our colleague pointed out above, the name Shafarevich is of course of Jewish origin. You give variations from Old Belorussian or Ukrainian (also old, because you have never heard such words). But it was precisely these posts of an economic nature that were occupied by Jews in the feudal farms of the Commonwealth. From this name and position became common nouns ... However, there are all kinds of Jews. For example, several elder Cossack families of Ukraine were of Jewish origin from crosses (Markovichi, Borukhovichi).
        2. Black
          Black 6 June 2013 13: 44 New
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          Quote: slaventi
          Shefarevich Russian.

          Listen, what kind of Black Hundred disputes !!! Shafarevich, is he Russian, is he a Jew, but evenk is Even- WHAT DIFFERENCE !!!! He is a direct and honest person and a great patriot of Russia, who, unlike our tolerant government, understands perfectly and does not hide it, saying that only Russians are a cementing component of both the country and the healthy forces of the World.
        3. alexkross83
          alexkross83 6 June 2013 15: 29 New
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          They often confuse and add their opinion by last name, and not by action. For nothing betrays the representatives of Israel, as their actions!
    4. KERGUDU BIMBAR
      KERGUDU BIMBAR 5 June 2013 20: 05 New
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      THERE ARE JEWS, AND NOT ONLY JEWS, MORE RUSSIAN PATRIOTS THAN RUSSIANS themselves. IN SOVIET TIME WASN'T SUCH DIVISION
      Sorry for the nation NOW. ALL WORKED FOR THE STATE
      AND DIDN’T DISCARD WHO IS WHO. THIS WAS THE MAIN CEMENT OF THE PEOPLE, THE SOVIET PEOPLE.
      1. Just Vasilich
        Just Vasilich 5 June 2013 21: 06 New
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    5. donchepano
      donchepano 5 June 2013 23: 54 New
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      Quote: slaventi
      Shefarevich is a real Russian patriot. His "Russophobia" frightened liberal liberalization.


      Shafarevich extremely honest and decent man
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    1. Apollo
      Apollo 5 June 2013 15: 47 New
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      Happy anniversary Igor Rostislavovich !!!
  3. baltika-18
    baltika-18 5 June 2013 15: 45 New
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    I liked the phrase. “It’s hard to reconcile the robbed with the robbers.” It’s impossible to add from myself. I will never reconcile with Chubais and the privatizers of 90's, they are enemies and that’s the point. And there’s only one conversation with enemies.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 June 2013 15: 55 New
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      Quote: ...
      but the word "Russians" dissolves the Russian dominant


      This was especially noticeable when it was said by the non-drying Yeltsin
  4. Coteyka
    Coteyka 5 June 2013 15: 45 New
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    Yes, nothing will happen to the Russians. Not a small people, can stand up for themselves.
    1. Yozhas
      Yozhas 5 June 2013 15: 54 New
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      It can, if everyone realizes what is happening around. Many still live and do not understand that soon we can have Yugoslavia and Syria. There is an Islamicization of the country by radicals who have only one thought - to cut out all Russians and occupy these lands. In some mosques, imams process people by calling for a fight with the Russians.

      Yes, we will win and cope with the devils, but at the same time we must be one.
      1. воронов
        воронов 5 June 2013 18: 15 New
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        And first of all, this happens with the connivance of the Russian administration, corrupt and corrupt for the most part. Whatever one may say, the vast majority of people in power in the Kremlin, government, and territorial bodies of the Russian Federation are Russians, with some exceptions in the so-called national republics, but in percentage terms non-Russians are negligible in the leadership. But ... we have what we have.
    2. Manager
      Manager 5 June 2013 15: 56 New
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      Quote: Cat
      Yes, nothing will happen to the Russians. Not a small people, can stand up for themselves.

      A rolling stone gathers no moss. Sitting and waiting is not worth it. Not that time in itself all will resolve. The young generation needs to be educated correctly. To make you learn history and learn to be patriots. And now 12-15 year old children already really do not know anything except their call of duty.
      1. Coteyka
        Coteyka 5 June 2013 16: 22 New
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        Call of duty free is a great game. Children learn the history of the Second World War. Is it bad? And the topic of detachments is uncovered.
        1. Manager
          Manager 5 June 2013 16: 44 New
          +6
          Quote: Cat
          Coteyka

          Sindromo daunito hromosom.
          1. Mr. Truth
            Mr. Truth 5 June 2013 17: 54 New
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            Quote: Manager
            Sindromo daunito hromosom.

            Poor Pedro, he was blind.
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 5 June 2013 16: 45 New
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          Quote: Cat
          Call of duty free is a great game. Children learn the history of the second world

          The history of the country, including the Second World War and the Great Patriotic War, must be taught from primary sources, textbooks, and memoirs.
          The West has never (almost never) recognized the MAIN role of the USSR in the defeat of Nazi Germany (and the Kwantung Army), which is a "red thread" in all their works (literary, films, games) ...
          And the products from Hollywood can be seen through one topic that AmRykans won the Second World War
          1. Coteyka
            Coteyka 5 June 2013 16: 50 New
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            Pupils

            The history of the country, including the Second World War and the Great Patriotic War, must be taught from primary sources, textbooks, and memoirs.

            There is a contradiction, do not you think?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 5 June 2013 17: 04 New
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              Quote: Cat
              There is a contradiction, do not you think?

              1. I mean that Call of Duty is clearly not a guide to studying military history.
              2. And the textbooks, and the primary sources, and memoirs of the participants in the war - everything is suitable for studying HISTORY. Then the "thinker" is turned on, and the work begins on the ANALYSIS of what has been read and seen.
              1. Coteyka
                Coteyka 5 June 2013 17: 06 New
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                But the student will at least learn that there was such a war. I will not sit and read school memoirs, I assure you.

                Here's how: if we do not make games, they are made by Americans.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 5 June 2013 17: 11 New
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                  Quote: Cat
                  they are made by the Americans.

                  FastFood - also the Americans came up with.
                  Do you visit McDonald's every day?
                  But the most “cultured” European Europeans invented a blowjob, and now they have legalized same-sex marriage ... laughing
                  1. Coteyka
                    Coteyka 5 June 2013 17: 12 New
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                    Why are you doing this?
                  2. rereture
                    rereture 5 June 2013 18: 33 New
                    +2
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    european-french blowjob came up

                    I bet, even in ancient Greece and ancient Rome, this method of comfort was practiced, and in some tribes of the Slavs it was a kind of ritual that was carried out during or after the ritual of marriage.
                    1. muks
                      muks 5 June 2013 18: 50 New
                      +8
                      Blowjob invented by the French? Ivan Vasilyevich, better known as Ivan the Terrible, wrote in a letter to the Turkish khan: "I see you through my mouth ..... and I see through!" So not only blowjob, but also x-ray is a truly RUSSIAN INVENTION!
                  3. воронов
                    воронов 5 June 2013 19: 19 New
                    +4
                    Europe was so “cultural” that after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, it was full and didn’t wash until the beginning of the 19 century, and therefore the spirits came up with the idea that they would take away the stench from human bodies. And Russians have had bathhouses for centuries, even in small, deaf villages and at least once a week there they steamed, although they drowned in black.
                2. tixon444
                  tixon444 5 June 2013 18: 14 New
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                  Quote: Cat
                  But the student will at least learn that there was such a war. I will not sit and read school memoirs, I assure you.


                  There was a comment somewhere on the forum where the guy, playing the game "Stalingrad" on his computer, thought that ours were going on the attack with shouts: "Get the fuck!" ... And I was shocked to learn that they were shouting - "For Stalin! "
                  Children need to be told what was, how it was, and where it was. People write history, and not just in books.
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 5 June 2013 19: 27 New
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                    Quote: tixon444
                    There was a comment somewhere on the forum where the guy, playing the game "Stalingrad" on his computer, thought that ours were going on the attack with shouts: "Get the fuck!" ... And I was shocked to learn that they were shouting - "For Stalin! "You need to tell the children what was, how it was, and where it was.

                    So what .. I uploaded a photo with tanks and aircraft <For Stalin!> Are here that prove that this is propaganda.
                    <Got> in the years of the Second World War this word was probably used for its intended purpose, to get something, and not as it is now ..
                    The veterans themselves, of course, are carriers of the truth about the Second World War, unfortunately there are less and less of them every year, and films and comp. games distorting reality more and more, including Russian, not only Hollywood ..
        3. nemec55
          nemec55 5 June 2013 17: 24 New
          +7
          The son of what kind of duty of kal there HISTORY LEARNS FROM BOOKS AND CHRONICLES, STORIES OF PARENTS AND GRANDFATES. you will be taught (to sell your homeland) if you have it
          1. Coteyka
            Coteyka 5 June 2013 17: 26 New
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            HISTORY LEARNED BY BOOKS AND CHRONICLES, STORIES OF PARENTS AND GRANDFATES

            Almost no one has grandfathers and parents. They died already.
        4. воронов
          воронов 5 June 2013 19: 08 New
          +1
          And what do you know about detachments, and why are you shivering from this combination? For information, the detachments were formed from regular army units, not even from the NKVD forces, their main task was to ensure order in the front line of the army, fight against saboteurs, identify provocateurs, alarmists, sort out the military personnel who escaped from the encirclement. Calm down, they did not shoot for retreating troops, they often entered the battle themselves and suffered significant losses. I don’t want to spend more time on your enlightenment, read order No.227 at least for a start.
        5. MG42
          MG42 5 June 2013 19: 40 New
          +4
          Quote: Cat
          Call of duty free is a great game. Children learn the history of the second world

          This means looking through the American prism at the history of the Second World War and teaching children, this game can simply be used as a shooter, if you have a lot of free time, you can’t learn history ..
    3. воронов
      воронов 5 June 2013 18: 05 New
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      That's right, harness for a long time, but how to accelerate ... am
  5. Atlon
    Atlon 5 June 2013 15: 52 New
    +3
    I do not agree on everything, but definitely a plus.
  6. smile
    smile 5 June 2013 15: 54 New
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    I believe that the policy of suppressing Russian identity as opposed to fostering national identity of other nationalities of the country is the worst mistake of the leadership of the USSR (By the way, none of the leaders of the country mentioned the Russian people in their speeches) which ultimately led to the collapse of the country. And this is exactly what ultimately led to the emergence of ultranationalist movements that are difficult to distinguish from the Nazis, and which also discredit Russian patriotism.
    And now Russian patriotism must be revived precisely at the state level, otherwise the marginalized and outspoken extremists will saddle the trend with their beloved destructive slogan "Russia for Russians." There is no other way for the survival of the country.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 5 June 2013 16: 49 New
      +9
      Quote: smile
      I believe that the policy of suppressing Russian identity as opposed to fostering national identity of other nationalities of the country is the most terrible mistake of the leadership of the USSR

      The decadent Ulyanov-Lenin inAsk quite officially declared the idea: "Down with the Russian Sordimord ...", which is perfectly confirmed by the national composition of the first Soviet government.
      hi
  7. slaventi
    slaventi 5 June 2013 15: 54 New
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    Shafarevich finished his main work, entitled Russophobia, in 1982. It was, of course, impossible to publish. Only a few years later, when Gorbachev’s liberalism smelled in the air, Shafarevich decided to let him go to samizdat. And in the 1989 year, it happened: Russophobia appeared on the pages of Our Contemporary magazine. Shafarevich could not put up with the communist system of power and in the 70 years he was among the leading dissidents. But among the dissidents, Shafarevich also soon became a dissident. While most of them, fighting for human rights, were guided by the Western values ​​of democracy and free enterprise, for Shafarevich the bright future of Russia lay in its autocratic-Orthodox past. In his opinion, rapprochement with the West can only “dilute” its national identity. This is contraindicated in Russia. It is pushed into this disastrous path by a small group of intellectuals dominated by Jews.

    According to Shafarevich, the "small people", as he called such an intelligentsia, do not understand the aspirations of the "big" people, do not respect its traditions and original culture, consider it a cattle, suitable only to serve as material for irresponsible social experiments.
  8. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 15: 56 New
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    ВAnd now the authorities act in the same way - with suspicion of Russians, ready to manipulate their feelings, often believing that Russian self-consciousness is extremism and that we must fight it. Moreover, we live in a country where eighty percent of the Russian population ... This is a huge force, so the efforts of our opponents are so great to subordinate us to their will.
    I completely agree with SHAFAREVICH.
    I am not a supporter of nationalists, but when the KREMLIN begin to conduct tolerant games and at the same time replace the traditions of the Russian people with crappy principles, I involuntarily become a nationalist.
    1. Yozhas
      Yozhas 5 June 2013 16: 00 New
      +6
      What is bad in Russian nationalism? This is part of our culture, our psychology, ideology, Russian values, understanding, etc. He should be present as if American prostitutes in our country did not want to suppress him.
      1. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 16: 21 New
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        What is bad in Russian nationalism?
        Healthy nationalism is always welcome.
        But when Adventurers (SAAKASHVILI) are ready to head the corpses of people, we see what HAPPENED in the Georgian-Ossetian conflict (the death of people)
        Therefore, nationalism is ALWAYS a STICK ABOUT TWO ENDS.
    2. Coteyka
      Coteyka 5 June 2013 16: 24 New
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      crappy principles

      Are you against democracy? What's wrong with her? Is totalitarianism better?
      1. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 16: 37 New
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        I will explain from my point of view.

        This is democracy according to the EUROPEAN SAMPLE.
        When the Russian people are forced upon the idea that to be tolerant of the CRUNK and the BORN is good.
        When to be a PEDIK or GOMOSECOM it is fashionable.
        When it is possible in the name of democracy to Bomb bad countries and overthrow legitimate governments there.
        When it is possible in the name of democracy to take away other people's children (juvenile justice).
        And such when you can - pick up a carriage and a small cart.

        CHURCH seems to have said DEMOCRACY THIS IS BAD BUT ANYTHING BETTER MANKIND.
        So if you put at the forefront of the tradition and lifestyle of the people, I still choose the PEOPLE and not DEMOCRACY.
        I will add that in LIVIA under the TOTAL GADDAFI, life was better than in CURRENT LIBYA under the democrats, cannibals of all stripes.
        1. Coteyka
          Coteyka 5 June 2013 16: 45 New
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          When it is possible in the name of democracy to Bomb bad countries and overthrow legitimate governments there.

          Well, actually there were reasons.
          legitimate governments

          Legitimate governments? Wow! This is where the Americans overthrew this? Saddam Hussein? Gaddafi? Milosevic gang?
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 5 June 2013 16: 49 New
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            Quote: Cat
            Milosevic gang


            Are you a Kosovo Albanian? Even Carla's mom repented

            Former prosecutor of the Hague Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) Carla del Ponte, whose statements have for many years held the West's negative perception of Serbs, made sensational confessions. In her new book, Hunting: Me and War Criminals, she described how the current leadership of independent Kosovo made a fortune in the sale of internal organs seized from stolen Serbs.

            The "testimony" of Carla del Ponte has already become a pretext for initiating criminal proceedings in Serbia. The Belgrade District Court began hearings on the abduction of 1999 young Serbs in Kosovo in the summer of 300, who, according to the former ICTY chief prosecutor, were taken to Albania for seizure.
            1. Coteyka
              Coteyka 5 June 2013 16: 59 New
              -6
              Are you a Kosovo Albanian? Even Carla's mom repented

              I'm talking about the fact that some people cut out massively untimely. The Srebrenica massacre for example.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 5 June 2013 21: 11 New
                +4
                Quote: Cat
                I'm talking about the fact that some people cut out massively untimely. The Srebrenica massacre for example.


                It was the case, the Bosnian Muslims and the armed forces of Srebrenica massively killed the Serbs. According to some sources, more than 150 Serbian villages were completely destroyed, according to other sources, there are 2383 civilian Serbs killed between 1992 and July 1995
          2. Lech from ZATULINKI
            Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 17: 23 New
            +4
            Well, actually there were reasons.

            Well, do not tell my slippers.
            You can always find a reason to cover with the ROCKET-BOMB PUNCH - even your country (there would be a reason).
            For HUSSEIN, it was a test tube with a MASS DEFEAT weapon in the HANDS of the AMERICAN GENERAL COLIN POWELL.
            In the case of Gaddafi, this is an attempt to counter the COLOR REVOLUTION of the exported WEST.
            Well, in MODERN SYRIA it’s a confrontation of the HE HE BLOODED ASAD cannibals - the opposition.
            In general, GOOD DEMOCRACY for the elite - all the rest are prescribed poultices in the form of REVOLUTIONS AND WARS IN THE STONE AGE.
            1. Coteyka
              Coteyka 5 June 2013 17: 29 New
              -11
              For HUSSEIN

              Hussein? He occupied the sovereign Kuwait, US troops gave him the teeth. Then he began to sculpt his weapons of mass destruction. So? Yes. Got on the teeth. What's wrong? All is correct.
              In the case of Gaddafi, this is an attempt to counter the COLOR REVOLUTION of the exported WEST.

              There was UN sanction, they turned to NATO, Russia did not interfere. Gaddafi shot at his people. Got on the teeth. And a shovel somewhere.
              In general, GOOD DEMOCRACY for the elite - all the rest are prescribed poultices in the form of REVOLUTIONS AND WARS IN THE STONE AGE.

              No. Democracy is the freedom of the individual and the press.
              1. Lech from ZATULINKI
                Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 17: 50 New
                +4

                Democracy is the freedom of the individual and the press.
                You do not need to tell these tales to adult uncles-the freedom of the individual and the press from the category of myths about democracy.

                Let it be known to you that during the Georgian-Ossetian conflict in the WEST any squeak of the PRESS ABOUT the TRUTH of this war was suppressed and we were all witnesses to this.
                1. Coteyka
                  Coteyka 5 June 2013 17: 53 New
                  -7
                  You do not need to tell these tales to adult uncles-the freedom of the individual and the press from the category of myths about democracy.

                  Oh, that is all myths? It's funny But in Europe they didn’t know.
                  PRESSES ABOUT THE TRUTH of this war and we were all witnesses of this.

                  And what is the truth? Truth about what?
                  1. Lech from ZATULINKI
                    Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 18: 12 New
                    +2
                    Coteyka
                    In Europe, roughly speaking, the population reminds me of piglets in the PIG (I mean the information) - EAT everything that they are presented with (even frank crap .... oh).
                    The ability to think independently for many Europeans has been lost.
                    As for the truth in your understanding, I see no reason to discuss with you a common understanding, we will not come.
                  2. SPAAARTAAA
                    SPAAARTAAA 5 June 2013 19: 31 New
                    +5
                    Koteika Troll and this is immediately evident. Do not try to explain something to him, he will come up with 10 more for each of your arguments. "Never argue with idiots. You will go down to their level where they will crush you with their experience." Mark Twain.
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 5 June 2013 18: 55 New
        +3
        Have you been a gay man for a long time? Earn experience, otherwise they won’t take shit, you’ll bend down before the descendants of the unfinished Bandera.
        And we’d better be totalitarian Russian patriots than shitty gay gay Europeans.
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 5 June 2013 16: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      at the same time replacing the traditions of the Russian people with dermocratic principles, I involuntarily become a nationalist.

      I'm not a racist either.
      But how I hate them all ... laughing
    4. Asgard
      Asgard 5 June 2013 17: 08 New
      13
      Today was in Petrozavodsk ...
      The Head of the Workshop is Greek for the Nazis. We went to have lunch at a cafe XXXX (4 x)) http://vk.com/xxxxbarptz
      Me Petkevich the guards let in, but Tatarova- No.... as a person of non-Russian nationality ...
      I had to intercede, promise that he would behave WELL and under my Personal responsibility, only then they missed)))))
      It turns out behind the scenes, "Caucasians" have long been not allowed into most institutions ...
      Cafe XXXX


      So there is a shift)))I greeted this ...
      By the way, Greek salad there is an oversight))))
  9. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 5 June 2013 15: 56 New
    10
    I respect Igor Shafarevich with great respect. Man always had his life principles and always followed them. Long life, health and success in creative work!
  10. Vtel
    Vtel 5 June 2013 15: 59 New
    +7
    Moreover, we live in a country where eighty percent of the Russian population ... This is a huge force, so the efforts of our opponents are so great to subordinate us to their will.

    Yes, you can’t say better - right to the point. May God grant him health!
  11. agbykov
    agbykov 5 June 2013 16: 01 New
    +4
    One people, one country, and one God, and one Church.
    Another interesting interview with academician Igor Rostislavovich Shafarevich: http://www.pravoslavie.ru/guest/4531.htm
  12. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 5 June 2013 16: 12 New
    +8
    "The Russians are not characterized by aggressive nationalism, some kind of hostile perception of other peoples, but the word" Russians "dissolves the Russian dominant in itself." - the thing is that it’s not peculiar, good because we, too good, and other nationalities (primarily representatives of the Caucasus) are too aggressive, they (not always of course not all, but in a large number of cases) and the Russians themselves They believe, they don’t understand only one thing, only one Russia with the fundamental Russian nation, the main Russian language and can save these peoples from absorption, disappearance, dissolution.
  13. knn54
    knn54 5 June 2013 16: 17 New
    +6
    Health, longevity and creative strength, Igor Rostislavovich! Thanks for the interview. We will certainly get up from our knees and move on, despite all the liberals' attempts to make Russia non-Russian. Russia m. if only the Great or it will not be at all. There is no third!
  14. aksakal
    aksakal 5 June 2013 16: 19 New
    +5
    Good post from a good scientist. So far, Russia is strong with mathematicians such as Shafarevich, Perelman (yes, a little non-Russians, but it’s the Russians, although they oppose this word - probably because the state of mind is Russian), in the long and recent past Eeyler, Chebyshev, Lyapunov, Kovalevskaya, the great Kolmogorov, Arnold, Steklov, Keldysh and many others, Russia in the sciences will not lag behind. It may be lagging behind in technology, because technology is not so much a science as a prepared infrastructure. And then the Russians will know how the next miracle of technology from the West works, why it works and what this work is based on, they will even know how to improve this work (theoretically), but they won’t either be able to repeat it, or they can repeat it, but in much a worsened version due to an underdeveloped technological base. But others from third countries will be clapping their eyes and not even guessing "how it works" -)))). Well now, in general, this is roughly the case.
    By Sabzh - "Although we still use the Yeltsin terminology - the Russians. He was once prompted that this is an old Russian word. And he had just the psychology of a sort of tsar ... The Russians are not characterized by aggressive nationalism, some kind of hostile perception of other peoples, but the word "Russians" dissolves the Russian dominant in itself."
    - this is all good, but in the USSR there was a bit another bend. The history of Kazakhstan in Kazakhstan was taught in a very abbreviated form, almost to zero. There are only a few writers. But the Russian program was from and to. This is not bad in Russia itself, but in other union countries it is not good, it is Russification. Here it is important to find the middle where there is no Russification, and therefore there is no rejection of the word "Russians", and there is nothing that the author of the subject does not like. Yes, 80% of the population is Russian. But 20% is also a large amount and will not go anywhere, and they are also citizens of Russia. And many of them are patriots of Russia no less than many Russians themselves. This is a difficult debate, but the Russians need to find a solution here.
  15. tor11121
    tor11121 5 June 2013 16: 28 New
    +8
    Music: Counter-Revolution.
    Words: Counter-revolution.
    Performed by: Counter-revolution.

    If everyone tells us that we have no enemies,
    And Russia doesn’t need so many bayonets,
    If secrets are surrendered, cut shelves -
    This means that enemies are preparing a war for us.
    This means that war is coming.

    If the authorities rush to the servile bow
    To the gentlemen in Tell Aviv, London and Washington,
    Again and again betray our people and country -
    This means that we have declared war.
    This means that war is coming.

    If they know in the Kremlin, but are stubbornly silent,
    Who betrayed our guys
    If the Mir station is sent to the bottom -
    This means they are at one with the enemies.
    This means that war is coming.

    If a Russian man drinks hopelessly,
    If a brazen dzhigit takes prey
    His father’s house, and his sister, and his wife -
    This means that we have declared war.
    This means that war is coming.

    If authorities in the Kremlin celebrate purim -
    This means that the Third Rome is in trouble again.
    If the Russian people became an outcast in the country,
    Given by God to him - this means - to war.
    This means that war is coming.

    Well, war is so war - Russians cannot get used to it,
    So that in an open battle, sweep the strength of the enemy.
    Come up, people, to the Orthodox Army -
    So the time has come for us to stand for Russia.
    This means that war is coming.

    This means that war is coming.
    1. Vtel
      Vtel 5 June 2013 16: 40 New
      +2
      The music is not bad, but you won’t cross out the words at all. +!
  16. Coteyka
    Coteyka 5 June 2013 16: 40 New
    -14
    You wonder where Russophobia comes from? Typical Russian behavior, and this is not normal:

    1. agbykov
      agbykov 5 June 2013 16: 45 New
      +5
      This is the typical behavior of Gopniks of any nation ... Not only Russians!
      1. Coteyka
        Coteyka 5 June 2013 16: 48 New
        -9
        And here are the Russians! ???


        1. agbykov
          agbykov 5 June 2013 16: 52 New
          +3
          You probably have not seen American / Dutch / German / ... freaks. You get an impression of partisanship, an expansion of consciousness is necessary :) Or are you from the elite (the “small people” according to Shafarevich)?
          1. Coteyka
            Coteyka 5 June 2013 16: 54 New
            -12
            Here are the Russians. Rest:

            1. Lech from ZATULINKI
              Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 17: 36 New
              +5
              In England, lesbians have fun in the middle of the street.
              1. Coteyka
                Coteyka 5 June 2013 17: 40 New
                -13
                Typical Russians conquer the heights:

            2. MG42
              MG42 5 June 2013 18: 03 New
              +4
              Video with a mat is a violation of the rules, or is it just a mat in the comments? Why post it?
    2. PatriotRusi
      PatriotRusi 5 June 2013 16: 57 New
      +6
      These are not Russians, these are Russians.
      Your Russophobia is not interesting to anyone here with your invented videos.
      1. Coteyka
        Coteyka 5 June 2013 17: 01 New
        -12
        It is worth recognizing that there is a problem, this is the first step on the way, as they say. Here are the Russians:
        1. rapid1934
          rapid1934 5 June 2013 19: 06 New
          +2
          [quote = Koteyka] It is worth recognizing that there is a problem, this is the first step on the way, as they say. Here are the Russians:

          Koshak apparently you are a provocateur. Look at your flag and you will see the same ones.
          Surprising upbringing members of the forum, no one called you a goat. request
          1. Rattenfanger
            Rattenfanger 5 June 2013 19: 24 New
            0
            Quote: rapid1934
            Koshak ...... Surprisingly educated members of the forum, no one called you a goat

            So, animals-innocent goats, why compare them with THIS?
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 5 June 2013 19: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: rapid1934
            Surprising upbringing members of the forum, no one called you a goat.

            And why? He’s a provocateur. Now we’ll stick to the minuses and block. If only there are enough comments.
    3. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 17: 35 New
      +6
      and this is ENGLAND-SO THAT DOESN'T SPIT IN THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE-ALCASHI IS EVERYWHERE.
  17. PatriotRusi
    PatriotRusi 5 June 2013 16: 54 New
    +8
    When there is true genocide of the Russian and Soviet people, it is difficult to say that the Russians will never die out.
    In the war, Russia did not die out at such a pace. And these videos depict Russians, but not Russians.
    1. Coteyka
      Coteyka 5 June 2013 16: 56 New
      -15
      And who is to blame for this?

      1. agbykov
        agbykov 5 June 2013 17: 01 New
        +4
        These are just the results of Russophobia, the war against the Russians ...
        1. Coteyka
          Coteyka 5 June 2013 17: 03 New
          -9
          That is, are the Americans to blame?

          1. PatriotRusi
            PatriotRusi 5 June 2013 17: 38 New
            +4
            And who, in your opinion, corrupted the Russian people, if not the liberal values ​​of the United States?
            1. Coteyka
              Coteyka 5 June 2013 17: 42 New
              -14
              "EVERYTHING IS GUILTY !!" do you want to say that?



              Was Obama also pouring this Russian into his throat?
              1. MG42
                MG42 5 June 2013 18: 20 New
                +4
                Prepared to see thoroughly << cat >> posted a whole selection of Chernukha negative
          2. Lech from ZATULINKI
            Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 17: 43 New
            +5
            And this is the United States - after drinking in full trash.
      2. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 17: 39 New
        +6
        ENGLAND - no comment hehe heh.
        1. Malleus
          Malleus 5 June 2013 17: 44 New
          +5
          So this is a real Englishwoman!
          1. The comment was deleted.
        2. MG42
          MG42 5 June 2013 18: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
          ENGLAND - no comment hehe heh.

          here is England too
  18. Malleus
    Malleus 5 June 2013 17: 33 New
    11
    Dear !!!
    "Do not get fooled" by a penny, pah, i.e. a cat !!!
    It is clear: the next Obebos harknet nonsense and giggles, not even understanding the essence of the answers.

    As already got all the dandruff!
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 5 June 2013 17: 53 New
      +5
      Yes, you're right - it seems our site has visited Russophobe.
      1. tixon444
        tixon444 5 June 2013 18: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
        Yes, you're right - it seems our site has visited Russophobe.


        Yes, only today I registered, prepared came, practicing my 30 pieces of silver, unchrist. Carries out a massive attack, you bastard ...
      2. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 5 June 2013 20: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
        Yes, you're right - it looks like our site was visited by Russophobe

        I would even say that "in our little compartments wound up ...."
  19. individual
    individual 5 June 2013 17: 41 New
    +6
    Everything in this world intertwined, confused.
    There is a Russian gay propagandist Alekseev, to whom I will not give a hand, but there are Gozmans, Gelmans with whom I will not sit.
    There is Svanidze, Shenderovich ... after an inadvertent wiretapping of their broadcasting and their preaching, I go my hands from disgust for these figures.
    And there are trusted friends of different nationalities with whom I’m ready to live in the same trench, knowing that my back is protectedlike him each other’s life.
    In school childhood, we boys sometimes asked each other: "Find yourself in a trench, in whom will you look through the sight of a machine gun"?
    It the best agitation and yesterday's “enemy” guy --- becomes the best a genuine friend.
  20. MG42
    MG42 5 June 2013 17: 52 New
    +5
    In continuation of yesterday's discussion

    Interestingly, there is evidence of this? as it is Georgian news..
  21. воронов
    воронов 5 June 2013 18: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: baltika-18
    I liked the phrase. “It’s hard to reconcile the robbed with the robbers.” It’s impossible to add from myself. I will never reconcile with Chubais and the privatizers of 90's, they are enemies and that’s the point. And there’s only one conversation with enemies.

    They are destroyed
  22. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 5 June 2013 18: 37 New
    +3
    Of course, television today is largely anti-Russian. A lot of the programs that I watch are either just Russophobic or with Russophobic overtones. For this, they captured television. Of course, it is difficult today for a Russian person to be optimistic, but still ...


    We have not only Russophobian television, but also the school curriculum, the press and literature are mainly Russophobian.
    It is surprising that our government has not yet banned the Russian language in Russia, as in Ukraine, to please the enemies of the Russian people and the undeveloped fascists.
  23. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 5 June 2013 18: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: Cat
    Typical Russians conquer the heights:

    This is an inferiority complex,typical for Bendera and pshek, makes you conquer more and more peaks of bowel movement?
    By the way, are you aware that the French, speaking of a chronicler, say "drinks like a Pole"?
  24. Semurg
    Semurg 5 June 2013 19: 32 New
    +2
    Drunk everywhere behaves the same regardless of the nation. According to the article, very sensible reasoning, it remains in practice to find a middle ground between Russian nationalism and the nationalisms of other peoples of Russia.
  25. cartridge
    cartridge 5 June 2013 20: 14 New
    +2
    A good informative interview of a wise person ... I read it with interest and pleasure. Now there are a lot of verbiage, and there are few thinkers like Shafarevich.
  26. DeerIvanovich
    DeerIvanovich 5 June 2013 20: 35 New
    0
    The ancients said: Errare humanum est.
    Of course, the Western world is being scrapped, but judging by this phrase it is strange that the author’s slowness of this process is bewildering.
  27. Stranavl
    Stranavl 5 June 2013 20: 46 New
    +1
    Health and long life to Igor Rostislavovich.
  28. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 June 2013 21: 09 New
    +2
    We Russians have one very good property (at the genetic level) We all shallow (hordes of the Mongol-Tatars, Khazars, Pechengs, Turks, Swedes, Poles, French, Germans, etc.) Now we are scared by the invasion from Asia of the East .. .Welcome!! Mosques of Islam will not save anyone .. We just swallow everyone ... (not for nothing on the anti-Russian sites so afraid of Russification ..)
    1. Malleus
      Malleus 5 June 2013 21: 26 New
      0
      Vitaliy, "Welcome!" - this, I hope, a metaphor?
  29. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 June 2013 22: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Malleus
    Vitaliy, "Welcome!" - this, I hope, a metaphor?

    Naturally .. I feel sorry for their poor fellow .. just ..))
  30. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 6 June 2013 00: 50 New
    0
    It’s time for the authorities to take courage and, if it’s truly patriotic power, to say bluntly: in Russia there is no place for homosexuality, cringing the West, any extremist manifestations of religiosity. How air needs a state ideology of development based on traditions, traditional beliefs, past experience! It is necessary to combine all the best from ancient times to the present! Patriots called patriots, traitors to the people to reward according to their merits! If at the same time some part falls over the hill - I honestly will not be upset!
  31. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 6 June 2013 07: 05 New
    0
    YES, PEOPLE WERE AT OUR TIME !! ... MOSTODONTS! ... It’s great that they live now and can convey their understanding of life, the world .... teach unreasonable modern heads to the mind and the mind .....
  32. morpogr
    morpogr 6 June 2013 12: 24 New
    0
    People who lived in the war and post-war time are the heroes of our country. To defeat the entire geyropa, rise from the ruins to become even stronger and fly into space could only Russians not only by nationality but also in spirit within.
  33. Blackwing
    Blackwing 6 June 2013 12: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Rattenfanger
    This is an inferiority complex typical of bendera and pshek, makes you conquer more and more peaks of bowel movement?
    By the way, are you aware that the French, speaking of a chronicler, say "drinks like a Pole"?


    Others stop confusing Mr. Bender and Stepan Bandera.
    here about the city http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Bender
    here about Bendery fortress http://www.bendery-fortress.com/

    PS Article is a big plus. Igor Rostislavich health and many years. I am glad that we still have people like Shafarevich.
    1. Joewalker
      Joewalker 7 June 2013 12: 20 New
      +1
      Yes, stop confusing Bender and Bandera. Bender is a city that is more than 600 years old, where a lot of Russians, Ukrainians live, and has nothing to do with Bandera. I have been living in it for 38 years, Russian.