Difficulties with the repair of military equipment

Questions about the quality of service and repair of military equipment were discussed in the city of Pskov at the end of May during a meeting with Vladimir Shamanov - Commander of the Airborne Forces. The meeting was held at the regimental club, where military servicemen and representatives of those companies and organizations that provide construction and repair services are gathered.

Shamanov, opening the meeting, expressed in the spirit that the equipment used by the troops often exchanges the fourth decade and managed to go through several major overhauls during its use. Shamanov said that the next delays in the rearmament of troops could have a very negative effect on the combat capability of the units.

In this case, the main question remains the question of who will directly perform the repair and maintenance of weapons and equipment. It seems that this should be handled by the outsourcing service in the image of a domestic call. master for an hour, but it is hardly worth counting on outsourcing in conditions that are as close to combat as possible. If the unit has failed armored during large-scale exercises, then wait for the arrival of the repair team of civilians is ridiculous. Yes, and carry this brigade with you - also very, very strange. That is why the servicemen are discussing the fact that the maintenance of military equipment is not a matter of outsiders and abstract brigades, but the case of the servicemen themselves, who are responsible for the equipment entrusted to them, and the specialists of the factories that supply the equipment to the troops.

The difficulty lies in the fact that repair plants can be removed from the Ministry of Defense and reassigned to another department. If this trend becomes ubiquitous, then new connections will have to be established and new repair and maintenance contracts will be signed.
There is one more important nuance. About him spoke Vladimir Shamanov. He stated that for many samples of 30-40-year-old technology, modern factories simply do not produce spare parts. This leads to the fact that any serious damage puts an end to this technique. Repair companies are simply not able to fulfill the duties assigned to them, since they do not have consumables for this, even if they have high-quality knowledge and practical skills.

Shamanov urged to solve this problem as soon as possible, coming out with appropriate initiatives.

Comments

[klimpopov]

Our MO is ready to buy equipment only with service from the assembly line to the disposal of this equipment. The question begs, will the troops not repair the equipment anymore? Very strange. I understand the overhaul, but minor repairs, and indeed what if the war? ...
On the other hand, if it is repaired in the troops, the plant can reasonably say that it does not bear any responsibility for serviceability. How to be There is no old system for servicing equipment, no new one ...
Again Western experience? ...

The difficulty lies in the fact that repair plants can be removed from the Ministry of Defense and reassigned to another department.

As far as I understand this question is already resolute ...

It seems that this should be done by outsourcing services in the likeness of a household call of the master for an hour, but it is hardly worth counting on autosourcing in conditions that are as close as possible to the fighting ones.

And if you are not close to fighting but really fighting? ...

This leads to the fact that any serious damage puts an end to this technique. Repair companies are simply not able to fulfill their duties, since they do not have consumables for this, even with high-quality knowledge and practical skills.

This leads to the disassembly of the donor for organs, how much is still on "conservation" - usually the technique ends up like this standing on conservation.

[waisson]

nevertheless, their rem companies were tested by time and innovations stumble upon real pitfalls which are not on paper

[Geisenberg]

Quote: waisson

nevertheless, their rem companies were tested by time and innovations stumble upon real pitfalls which are not on paper

Apparently, until the GDP intervenes, they will pull the cat by the balls. There, all solutions lie on the surface. You just need to pick it up and fold it on paper in any order, then everything will work out as it should.

[SIBIR38RUS]

Quote: klimpopov

This leads to the disassembly of the donor for organs, how much is still on "conservation" - usually the technique ends up like this standing on conservation.

You +++! From personal experience, I saw and participated in everything ... As soon as a technician with some kind of (albeit not serious damage) gets up for a while in a stall, it automatically turns into a donor! Everything is removed! From the acb to the last light bulb ... Everyone is outraged that this is not so, and they continue with one hell. There is one excuse: there are not enough spare parts, nowhere to go. And this mess goes on daily ...

[klimpopov]

And this mess goes on daily ...

I would say hourly. Each driver knows the jambs on his wheelbarrow. Therefore, as soon as a donor appears, the crowd immediately runs to have time to remove the necessary unit or spare part, and if you are lucky, then also for the future ...

[Vovka levka]

Quote: klimpopov

I would say hourly. Each driver knows the jambs on his wheelbarrow. Therefore, as soon as a donor appears, the crowd immediately runs to have time to remove the necessary unit or spare part, and if you are lucky, then also for the future ...

And this is a question of the quality of technology. In words we have everything in chocolate, but in fact it’s often just a priest.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Vovka Levka

to the issue of quality of technology.

Only the quality, operating conditions and the very purpose of this technique is no side here? Interestingly, a mine under a caterpillar or a projectile on board are related to an insured event?

[Vovka levka]

Quote: Misantrop

Only the quality, operating conditions and the very purpose of this technique is no side here? Interestingly, a mine under a caterpillar or a projectile on board are related to an insured event?

This is a war, the conversation is about peacetime. If he had not served, he would not have commented. There have always been problems with quality, especially the production techniques of the 80s and beyond.

[klimpopov]

It's not about the quality of the equipment, but at its age - this is in 80% of cases.

Interestingly, a mine under a caterpillar or a projectile on board are related to an insured event?

That's just with this technique that everything can be removed, if something has survived.

In words we have everything in chocolate, but in fact it’s often just a priest.

Watch Serve Russia and do not worry

Although I agree - there are also questions about quality ...

[Vtel]

Outsourcing

Here the name shows what you can expect from this pro-Western system - a complete AUT. The MO should have its own repair services and even enterprises, but with expanded capabilities and military control, otherwise there will be commercial chaos - you are me, I am you. And how tady fight, on a goat sholi.

[Misantrop]

The previous system was also far from perfect. According to the experience of the Navy, there were two maintenance systems in the base - SPTB (civilian) and PRZ (military). SPTB had good specialists, BUT ... without a set of spare parts officially supplied (only that which the factory workers managed to privately snatch from their native plant for sale for "liquid currency"). Repaired well, but expensive. The RPZ received spare parts officially, BUT a conscript sailor, who, in terms of his development level, is not suitable for service in the crew of a nuclear submarine, during his service, he is simply physically unable to become a repair specialist. As a result, I had to get out of it in order to provide my own cruiser with at least minimal repairs during the MPR.

But the fact that they were blinded now is generally a complete AUT, alas ...

[Edward72]

Shamans are right, new is needed. How much can you drive equipment for the cordon.

[smershspy]

I agree! Enough of Russia to be a supplier of peace! It's time to think about the Russian army, its combat effectiveness! Then they will begin to respect Russia! I have the honor!

[TRex]

I don’t know how things are now, but at one time I ran into the problem of overhaul and decommissioning of armored vehicles in this way: by car (BTR-50PK) - a hundred years in the afternoon, one capital was spent, then drowned ... We started to draw up documents for the district to complete cancellation. It turned out that the armored hull has neither a resource nor a deadline for operation ... I don’t remember already - how it was decided. And the fact that we have airborne, landing, constantly combat-ready, elite troops. the technique lasts thirty to forty years - miracles, and nothing more! Imagine that we have in ordinary linear parts ... METAL SCRIPT? And the storage base? METALBASE? Give updated equipment to the troops! Hare blacks have!

[albanech]

Nice to read the comments of smart people! Thank!

[sys-1985]

New technology is needed as air, 30-40 years at least not seriously.

[kind]

There is nothing to be surprised at. The shoemaker bakes cakes, and the cakesman sews boots! Look what kind of people are at the head of ministries, is there at least one minister whose education matches the profile of his ministry ??? It is not clear why, after a failure in one chair, they are immediately thrown into another? Do not we have more worthy people? Of course have! How to disperse this cesspool, that’s the question, they seem to hold each other’s eggs for compromising evidence, a sort of mutual responsibility.

[Mikhail3]

In order to establish a high-quality repair of equipment (a problem that has not been solved in the USSR), one of two ways should be chosen. The first is a modular replacement. Accumulate a powerful supply of everything. In general, all that is possible and that is impossible. Mechanics can handle the replacement, and so on. Disadvantages? Wild resource overruns, huge warehouses, etc. And one more moment. In order for the modular system to work correctly, you need to introduce fierce, draconian punishments for damage and untimely replacement of components and mechanisms. Because it’s broken about stupidity and rascality, according to race ... and so on, it will not allow to properly organize the logistics of even the largest warehouses. As practical experience shows - only sending to the front lines to the infantry, to the penal battalion, allowed us to establish this. As soon as the ... cease to threaten a bullet in the forehead, everything collapsed right there.
The second way is to transport the equipment to the plants. What is the difference from army remcentres? You can quickly produce spare parts for anything, even for a steam locomotive of the Cherepanov brothers. Only highly qualified engineers, and the same workers, will do this. The machining center, in general, is deeply cut in half, how old is the project for which he is cutting the spare part. Only skill is needed. And here a contradiction grows, insoluble within the framework of the army hierarchy. These pros need to pay more than the general. Which, as you understand, is absolutely unrealistic, it is much easier for the army to lose any war. In fairness, we note that the civilian sector has not yet achieved this either. Why do we have no truly serious civilian products. But there is at least hope ...

[individual]

Refer to Serdyukovsky Babsky outsourcing - they will repair everything, they will fix everything.

[yanus]

Shamanov urged to solve this problem as soon as possible, coming out with appropriate initiatives.

So where are the initiatives themselves? Or today to say - "everything is bad" already an initiative? Still, maybe it's time to change the executive and "as if proactive" commanders?