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Help-report on the issue "Some features of the organization of service and living conditions on the ships of the Russian Navy, noted by officers of the French Navy"

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Help-report on the issue "Some features of the organization of service and living conditions on the ships of the Russian Navy, noted by officers of the French Navy"
















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  1. fenix57
    fenix57 3 June 2013 06: 37
    +7
    He was not an urgent serviceman in the navy, so more than half is a vague idea, but the fact that the French are "gentle creatures" it turns out like this.
    I liked item # 4 in the "Crew" section with a note on the left: "this is only possible with us"! - international exercises have the opportunity for career growth ...
    1. Armata
      Armata 3 June 2013 08: 29
      +4
      Quote: fenix57
      I liked item # 4 in the "Crew" section with a note on the left: "this is only possible with us"! - international exercises have the opportunity for career growth ...
      I liked the point most about rest to 14-00. We would be so in our years of service.
      1. TRex
        TRex 3 June 2013 13: 52
        +6
        Mechanic! Did you serve before the revolution? There was always "admiral's hour" in the navy, and for dinner - the first, second, third, who does not know ...
        But in general, it feels like our officers have lost their professionalism ... "On the bridge, they swear, argue ..." What's this? Lack of experience, lack of one-man command ... And a large number of officers on board (all sorts of "marching headquarters", etc.) - a small number of ships and campaigns. People in the sea strive ... What did they study at VVMU? The aspiration is commendable, but adds to the chaos and confusion. What camp headquarters? Was there a squadron at sea? Pennants 15 - 20?
        1. alex20081308
          alex20081308 3 June 2013 14: 11
          +4
          Admiral's hour is at the base. There is no such thing in the sea. There is a clearly painted three-shift. Which is often interrupted by all kinds of garbage. (Depends on the degree of literacy of the commander or senior on the campaign.) And dinner is only the first and second. (well, compote).
    2. ABV
      ABV 3 June 2013 21: 07
      +4
      Quote: fenix57
      He was not an urgent serviceman in the navy, so more than half is a vague idea, but the fact that the French are "gentle creatures" it turns out like this.
      I liked item # 4 in the "Crew" section with a note on the left: "this is only possible with us"! - international exercises have the opportunity for career growth ...


      point 6. Pediculosis is not a criterion for "masculinity" or "tenderness of creatures." Such things cannot raise the fighting spirit and there is nothing to be proud of. It's easy to sit on the couch and talk about masculinity and patriotism, but I'm sorry for the guys.
      ps I didn’t want to offend anyone, presenting I do not expose! smile
  2. individual
    individual 3 June 2013 06: 54
    0
    Hmm ...
    The reference report of O. Prasov is alarming.
    Didn't our "liaison officers", who were sent to French ships, have dug up any negativity in a week, or maybe they got to free French beer and had a picnic?
    am
    1. waisson
      waisson 3 June 2013 07: 06
      +5
      IT IS POSSIBLE TO LEAD THE FRENCH WITHOUT WINE ANYWHERE WHO SERVED COMMUNICATED
  3. dmitreach
    dmitreach 3 June 2013 07: 13
    +2
    Well, thank you! A couple of years ago I met this document in our tyrnets, but lost the link ...
  4. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 3 June 2013 07: 53
    +3
    Advertising of the French Navy? Patriotism-patriotism, but after such an analysis the question arises, "What ship would you like to serve?" And where is the comparison between ours and French latrines?
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 3 June 2013 07: 55
      +4
      at the UDC "Vladivostok" under construction, definitely - YES!
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 3 June 2013 08: 47
      12
      If you take the collection "Safety of navigation", the section "Analysis of typical accidents and accidents in the world fleet", you will be surprised. Sink, burn, collide, run aground, break the ships of almost all countries of the world. The French are the rarest exception. The safety of navigation and the culture of navigation are at a high level.
      Well, ours. "Be afraid, be afraid of fishermen and sailors." The actions of the first are not predictable, the actions of the second are beyond the possibility of analytical analysis and good maritime practice.
      Civil shipping practice shows. The more people on the bridge, the lower the organization of the service.
      1. Baron Wrangell
        Baron Wrangell 3 June 2013 11: 05
        +8
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Civil shipping practice shows. The more people on the bridge, the lower the organization of the service.

        I agree, this is how you drive a car and my wife and mother-in-law suggest! laughing
        1. ded10041948
          ded10041948 6 June 2013 14: 03
          0
          At least you can scare these monkeys by promising to land them around the first corner, but where are you going to do with the "commanding naval commanders"? Do not lead them "on the board"! And then you will have to answer as for normal people!
    3. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 3 June 2013 10: 23
      0
      And on which ship would you like to serve

      On the one that will survive in any fight! that is, the Russian ship.
      1. Atrix
        Atrix 3 June 2013 11: 26
        13
        Quote: cth; fyn
        And on which ship would you like to serve

        On the one that will survive in any fight! that is, the Russian ship.

        Well, it’s only from this certificate that the survival rate on a French ship is greater, even from such a detail, and end with rescue training, and with dangerous objects on board the ship smile
  5. pensioner
    pensioner 3 June 2013 07: 54
    +4
    So Yes. Life and comfort in our fleet is still to improve and improve. But on the other hand: while the French were sleeping and the Germans were taking souls, they chopped off all of France from them.
  6. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 3 June 2013 08: 07
    15
    I don’t know how in the Navy, but in the infantry - the less free time a soldier has, the better. The more time it takes for combat training, the less time for sloppiness, barracks hooliganism, etc.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 3 June 2013 08: 44
      12
      In our school, the officers said: "A cadet who has a lot of free personal time is dangerous for both society and the army."
  7. soldat1945
    soldat1945 3 June 2013 08: 27
    10
    Damn, the sailors considered the more intellectually-intelligent representatives of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and it turns out to be almost the same madhouse as our infantry laughed heartily in the morning! But seriously, much of what the French can do with us is not permissible due to their mentality, but there is something good to take from them in terms of organizing management!
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 3 June 2013 15: 43
      +1
      as in a joke
      Who threw a felt boot on the remote ??? I'm asking you!!!
  8. Son
    Son 3 June 2013 09: 04
    +6
    Shame ...
  9. ded10041948
    ded10041948 3 June 2013 09: 17
    +7
    Needless to say, one mate and envy! I was hoping that at least our darling bungling did not reach the fleet. Unfortunately, I was wrong! It becomes sad and insulting for the country, to which even the pampered "paddies" suggest that it can and should be improved! I wonder if anything has changed since then?
  10. Metlik
    Metlik 3 June 2013 09: 23
    +4
    If in the ground forces a slight mess is corrected along the way, then on the ship the organization’s shortcomings are a disaster.
    I wonder what will be the reaction to the paper?
  11. alex20081308
    alex20081308 3 June 2013 09: 45
    13
    In general, all the troubles of the fleet are listed correctly. God is with him with food. Especially correctly indicated and very annoying is the lack of self-activity in the actions of the officer on duty. In my opinion, starting from the 70-80s, the role of the officer in charge in our fleet gradually reduced to the dubbing of the commanders of the commander-in-chief. No more. In the same situation (slightly better) are the ship commanders. In my memory, the last independent BS (at least in Kamchatka), that is, access to the moraine of the BS without a senior on board was in 1995 (I went with Shastun as the senior lieutenant). Then, the senior exit at the exit necessarily sat on the BS. And by the end of my service, it came to the point that the eldest on board stood out to remount the ship from pier to pier. (ZKD 1-2 or NS) Apparently since then it has only become worse. This system is vicious. It leads to the fact that the commanders of the ships get used to coordinate their every decision with the elder. In another way, this is called division of responsibility. A rougher departure from unity of command. All this leads to the fact that in a difficult environment, the commander is lost and cannot take responsibility.
  12. Letnab
    Letnab 3 June 2013 10: 02
    12
    such reviews, yes more often! The presence of a huge number of senior officers, damn it, the same picture is on the civilian, a bunch of bosses and inspectors, and not a single responsible person who can make a timely and correct decision !!! At the end of the article, he notes only non-slip paint as a positive example, but he didn’t note about many other things, he was afraid to provoke the bosses' anger ...
  13. Mhpv
    Mhpv 3 June 2013 10: 17
    +1
    Well, what did we want to get in the fleet, even if we managed to ask ........ During this time, many good officers left the fleet, because you need to feed families and raise children, and the state doesn’t need you. Many who had access to finances and the resources were not inferior to Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, I think that almost every unit committed fraud of every kind. Where I live was part of the food service (formed food rations) and no one was interested in where the officers with a small (in those days) salary got expensive cars and construction houses, the smartest even with uzhebnye apartment itself poottyapali.
    And yet, not everything described really suits us. In our country, the commander of the ship controlled and commanded it like a bicycle and no one dared, and did not try to contradict him, f free time can really have a bad effect on Russian sailors. problems, the same satellite communications, even the same dismissal (we had to go through the hell of checks to go to dismissal, so I spat and didn’t have enough common exits)
    Vobschem my opinion 50 \ 50 approximately. hi
  14. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 3 June 2013 10: 25
    12
    a typical story, as soon as there is an opportunity to show off courage at a parade, and even with the prospect of a safe career growth or rewarding, from one’s or another’s government, like moths to the light and peacetime generals and the same captains of all ranks, and therefore the number it doesn’t turn into quality and the density of officers is high, the quality of management automatically falls and insanity grows stronger.
    I recall from my practice: in the early 90s, borders were opened and we went for the first time to call in Hong Kong, still English, we added 2 office captains, but both without English, at first they couldn’t call the dispatchers for a day, then we started at the entrance, so much so that I had to carry out the circulation, the roll was under 30 °, in general, they recalled with a long laugh.
    the shutdown of the air defense equipment, I think, is explained precisely by the presence of the admiral, who even knows better at night, and he just at the parade, he admires himself. well, or as an option - saving the magnetron resource, although this is unlikely, most likely again the factor of peacetime generals
    about the lack of water, I can say that long ship downtime is fraught with the fact that desalination plants, waste boilers and pipelines are dying, therefore it is not surprising that they do not boil water, and save the water they take from the shore
    about a large number of announcements over the speakerphone - the same is familiar, an imitation of vigorous activity, yelling what is needed and not necessary, even knowing that people try to sleep after the shift, because then the radio operators go to the cabins and change the speakers, broken by the crew
  15. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 3 June 2013 12: 10
    +2
    In addition, we are threatening to build a super-duper aircraft carrier with a rustic outhouse in 2020 ... sorry with a latrine in the middle of the flight deck fellow
  16. Igorisep
    Igorisep 3 June 2013 13: 01
    +1
    I wonder how it is now.
    1. Orchestrarant
      Orchestrarant 3 June 2013 14: 53
      +1
      And I’m talking about the same thing, people didn’t even see the date of the report, but ... How bad it is! wassat laughing
  17. Raptor75
    Raptor75 3 June 2013 13: 55
    +3
    Yeah, we will wait for the second Tsushima
  18. fenix57
    fenix57 3 June 2013 15: 17
    +1
    Quote: individ
    The reference report of O. Prasov is alarming.

    Here, I woke up, and how the doc-nt at least particleboard and in RuNet ... Or now you can publish everything ... request
    1. alex20081308
      alex20081308 3 June 2013 20: 51
      +1
      And were you born today? The presence of a chipboard neck in Russia means you can print on the fence. And so on. I did not say that the strenuousness of our laws is compensated by the non-bindingness of their implementation.