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Liberals have declared war on us. Need to defend

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Liberals have declared war on us. Need to defend



On the Meeting of the School of Common Sense (22.05.2013) the idea of ​​the need for a distinctive national, and perhaps supranational, idea uniting the peoples of our country was voiced. Ideas that give people a high purpose for existence.

In my opinion, this is a very correct question. I touched on this topic in the article "Who needs what". Now, with a new urgency, I felt its extreme necessity and urgency. People of Slavic culture can have more than fashionable iPods, pretentious costume jewelry, meat delicacies and Turkey “on inclusive” need a high goal in life. Super task justifying existence. The idea of ​​a planetary, universal nature.

We have no illusions about socialism, but the memory of the nation-wide idea of ​​building a just society to all the inhabitants of the planet causes nostalgia for “strenuous” times.

Indeed, people formed in the Soviet state remember not only the queues for sausage and tights, but also high impulses of the masses, labor heroism and the burning of the spirit. The shock Komsomol constructions of the North, the exploits of geologists and sailors, designers and teachers, scientists and inventors - this is not a patriotic agitation. This is the reality that we saw with our own eyes. The reality in which we lived and participated. What prompted us to work miracles at work, what turned the population of the USSR into a fraternal Soviet people. The people, in which there were practically no national conflicts, where the Russian could be friends with the Chechen, and the Azerbaijani with the Armenian.

Now it's all lost. The pinnacle of ideology is the desire to protect the Fatherland, to preserve the family, to protect children from abuse and anesthesia. (Most of our society have weaned from even thinking about it.)

But this, unfortunately, is not enough. This will not be able to inflame the flame of the Russian spirit. People of Slavic culture in order to “get up from their knees”, unite against an internal enemy (a corrupt, soulless scavenger or agent of foreign influence), in order to forget about personal peace and security and to go “breast-feeding on a machine gun” is necessary OVERHIDE.

Fantastic, fabulous dream is needed today like air. More than bread, vodka and petrodollars.

Is there such an idea in Russia today? Where do we get “fuel” for the soul and how can such an idea sound?

Where to get the answer, when it is not known from what end to undertake the solution of a similar problem?

Perhaps the wise men of antiquity will help find some kind of clue. Let's try to ask the answer to the Holy Fathers and Scripture.

From the Old Testament, we know that God, having created Adam and Eve, blessed them with the words: "Be fruitful and multiply, and inhabit the limits of the Earth."

The wonderful elder and theologian of the last century, Saint Reverend Silouan of Athos, said these words: “The young man is looking for a bride, the girl is looking for a groom. This is earthly life blessed by God. "

In these postulates, and try to look for a hint.

So, according to God's law, the goal of human existence is in the population of the earth.

The “humanist liberals” united in the “Foundations of Wildlife”, the World Health Organization and other Bildelberg clubs do not agree with this categorically. What are their stated goals, besides boundless freedoms for sexual perversions, euthanasia and drug legalization?

The most important goal (which they do not think to hide) is to reduce the population of the Earth. Resources, they say, on the planet are limited and they need to be saved for the life of future generations.

So, for Russia, for example, Western “humanists” consider the population in 15 – 20 million sufficient. Exactly so much is needed to ensure the efficiency of the "pipe", pumping Russian wealth to the West. The rest of the people are redundant. Useless "mouths" that consume electricity and food, produce waste and pollute the atmosphere. 120 to millions of Russian citizens better die quietly. And do not waste resources.

What a touching concern for preserving the life potential of the planet! What a thoughtful forethought!

Only here the same humanists diligently inhibit the advancement of breakthrough technologies that can provide humanity with cheap food, electricity and heat.

They do not need economic progress. They need power. HUGE. ULTIMATE.

Over the whole earth.

They need a guarantee of preservation of power. For endless times!

This requires control. Over all of humanity.

Question: “Why is it necessary to control ALL humanity?”

Answer: “Because the uncontrolled part of humanity can rebel controlled, and this will put at risk the power of“ humanists ”.”

In exactly the same way as theorists raised the question of the complete and final victory of socialism in one particular country. (Let me remind you: in a single country, the complete victory of socialism is possible. The final is impossible. The final victory was recognized as possible only within the entire inhabited universe.)

So, it is necessary to control all.

Question: “How many people are easier to control, 7 billion or 2?”.

Answer: "2 billion."

Exactly 3,5 times.

It is precisely to facilitate complete control over humanity that “humanists” are needed, a reduction in the birth rate, the destruction of the family, euthanasia, a primitive education, the legalization of same-sex marriage, general anesthesia, universal chipization, and a slowdown in technical progress.

Humanity must become “compact”, demoralized, fragmented, stupid and “stoned”.

The idea of ​​fighting this global evil can become the very supranational idea of ​​a planetary scale capable of igniting the souls of our people. Raise them to the feat. Give them a high meaning of life.

The idea of ​​combating the venom of "liberalism" that corrupts our society. Dead all what he touches. Degrading human dignity. A person who is producing a cattle, whose purpose is to produce a useful product, and then (at the appointed hour of the owner) die quietly and without reproaches at the slaughterhouse.

The external enemy is clear - this is the global “liberalism” that destroyed the Russian empire, destroyed the Soviet Union built by I. Stalin, and now destroying the plundered Russia and the rest of the world.

The internal enemy is known - these are accomplices of Western “humanists”, debilizing our education, corrupting Russian Orthodoxy and traditional Islam, seeking to give our children to reproach sodomites. These are agents of foreign influence. They are unprincipled, burned in their conscience, corrupt.

The goal of the Russian patriot is to destroy the power of the “liberals”. Revival of society. Strengthening family, morality and ethics. Leading technical and intellectual progress of society. Population increase of the country. Providing opportunities for our children and grandchildren to live freely and morally.

THE PURPOSE OF THE WORLD-SCALE PATRIOT is the destruction of the power of “liberal” degenerates and enemies of the human race on a scale of all mankind.

“Liberalism” declared war on us hundreds of years ago. Ruthless war of annihilation. We have no choice. It has long been made for us and our descendants.

We have to die anyway.

Better to die in battle.
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  1. krasin
    krasin 1 June 2013 07: 49 New
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    Yes, it will be difficult to determine the general national idea.
    In the USSR, I somehow didn’t think about it, it was just that they were all together and didn’t divide the Tartar, you or the Georgians, just lived and that’s all. Maybe there was such an upbringing !? Or maybe we were not like that !?
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 1 June 2013 08: 06 New
      +6
      Quote: krasin
      Maybe such an upbringing was !?

      That's right! Previously, our parents raised us, and now, in one word, democracy! By doing what you want, it's right. request sad
      1. astra
        astra 1 June 2013 11: 19 New
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        The position of liberals in the country needs to be weakened by cutting off cash flow from the west. Close all kinds of NGOs and organizations with foreign financing that, under the pretty cover of working with the needy population, quietly sponsors liberals and the media.
        1. Che
          Che 2 June 2013 21: 35 New
          0
          Astra, of course you are right, but there will be a lot of stench, you have to endure such a horr ... I hope we go this way.
      2. washi
        washi 1 June 2013 15: 30 New
        +6
        The October, Pioneer and Komsomol organizations, and of course teachers, were also brought up.
      3. yurta2013
        yurta2013 2 June 2013 16: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Parents used to raise us

        Раньше (в СССР) нас воспитывали не столько родители (они почти постоянно были на работе и приходили только к вечеру), а "родная" компартия. Этим делом занимался тогда целый отдел агитации и пропаганды при ЦК КПСС (как напрямую, так и через комсомол, пионерию, систему образования и т.д.). Он определял, что можно думать, говорить и писать каждому советскому человеку, а что нельзя.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 1 June 2013 08: 48 New
      +8
      Maybe this is our idea. Just live together.
    3. NKVD
      NKVD 1 June 2013 08: 49 New
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      Национальная идея это борьба с "русским" либерализмом! Ещё Ф.М Достоевский сказал:"Если кто и погубит Россию то не коммунисты, не анархисты, а проклятые либералы".
      1. NKVD
        NKVD 1 June 2013 10: 16 New
        +8
        The triumph of liberalism can be observed in Geyropa, the invasion of immigrants who do not reckon with the indigenous population and dream of establishing their own laws (Sharia) in these countries, rampant pide-growth, and in some countries they seriously discuss the resolution of pedophilia, supposedly this is also a deviation like homosexual , and any deviations should be treated with understanding. Do we really want this in our Russia too?
        1. Maks111
          Maks111 1 June 2013 17: 05 New
          +2
          Do we really want this in our Russia too?
          We don’t want to ... but who will ask us. There are the French now how many took to the streets? So what? Repealed the law? No. So no one will ask us. They’ll just introduce everything, and those who don’t like it will be dispersed by riot police. crying
          1. old man54
            old man54 2 June 2013 00: 26 New
            +1
            если хотя бы 1/3 начеления страны за...ся на такие законы, то ни какой ОМОН не разгонит, да и побпояьтся его "выпускать". Власть, любая (если она антинародная), всегда боиться народа, только народ этого понять ни как не может!
      2. Gari
        Gari 1 June 2013 10: 22 New
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        From the Old Testament, we know that God, having created Adam and Eve, blessed them with the words: “be fruitful and multiply, and inhabit the limits of the Earth” - according to God's law, the purpose of the existence of mankind is the population of the Earth.
        It was
        The “humanist liberals” united in the “Foundations of Wildlife”, the World Health Organization and other Bildelberg clubs do not agree with this categorically. What are their stated goals, besides boundless freedoms for sexual perversions, euthanasia and drug legalization?

        The most important goal (which they do not think to hide) is to reduce the population of the Earth.
        And so starting from the beginning of the 20th century: wars across the planet on ethnic, religious and other grounds.
        Drug addiction, alcoholism, AIDS and others it is not clear where from which laboratories the diseases were created.
        Sexual licentiousness, homosexuals, legalize same-sex marriage - that is, a blow to the main thing -
        family traditions.
        Worship is only profitable: money, and again money, must earn by any means, and the funds are all good.
        1. astra
          astra 1 June 2013 11: 23 New
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          Interestingly, many already understand that liberals are evil, but no one is fighting them. They give performances on TV, radio, newspapers and other media. Stalin would, at best, expel him from the country; at worst, he would put him to the wall.
          1. old man54
            old man54 2 June 2013 00: 28 New
            +2
            no, Stalin would, at best, send him to the camps, why liberals dislike him so much!
      3. old man54
        old man54 2 June 2013 00: 24 New
        0
        I think that it will sound better - LIBERASTS!
    4. Nevsky
      Nevsky 1 June 2013 11: 36 New
      +2
      Everything has been said here for a long time, we join:

    5. vjhbc
      vjhbc 1 June 2013 16: 02 New
      0
      I have to think not about a national idea, but a supranational idea (I suggest that in the near future the cosmos will transform the system into a distant star and the main idea is expansion of the race)
      Quote: krasin
      Yes, it will be difficult to determine the general national idea.
      In the USSR, I somehow didn’t think about it, it was just that they were all together and didn’t divide the Tartar, you or the Georgians, just lived and that’s all. Maybe there was such an upbringing !? Or maybe we were not like that !?
    6. V. Salama
      V. Salama 1 June 2013 16: 25 New
      0
      Quote: krasin
      Yes, it will be difficult to determine the general national idea.
      In the USSR, I somehow didn’t think about it, it was just that they were all together and didn’t divide the Tartar or the Georgian, you just lived and that’s it.
      The problem is that here simply a term (a word for a concept) is poorly selected.
      Например, в Концепции национальной безопасности, утверждённой Указом Президента в 2000 году, под национальными интересами понимается "совокупность сбалансированных интересов личности, общества и государства". Естественно, тут не противопоставляются национальности друг другу. Смысл термина, в силу ряда причин не всегда соответствует содержанию понятия. Оперируя специальной терминологией на бытовом уровне и наполняя понятия собственным содержанием мы не разберёмся в ситуации, а только запутаемся.
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  2. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 1 June 2013 08: 03 New
    +5
    Liberalism is a means to an end. How to find those who control the liberals? Among them are many who have lost their way, wishing the good of our country. But their brains are washed out and they do not understand that wanting good is harmful.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 1 June 2013 08: 28 New
      +8
      In my opinion there was a substitution of concepts. What is liberalism? Here's how Wikipedia dislikes it.
      Либерализм провозглашает права и свободы каждого человека высшей ценностью и устанавливает их правовой основой общественного и экономического порядка. При этом возможности государства и церкви влиять на жизнь общества ограничиваются конституцией. Важнейшими свободами в либерализме признаются свобода публично высказываться, свобода выбора религии, свобода выбирать себе представителей на честных и свободных выборах. В экономическом отношении принципами либерализма являются неприкосновенность частной собственности, свобода торговли и предпринимательства. В юридическом отношении принципами либерализма являются верховенство закона над волей правителей и равенство всех граждан перед законом вне зависимости от их богатства, положения и влияния.
      As you can see, there is nothing wrong. It seems that our enemies are not related to the liberals.
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 1 June 2013 08: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: sergey32
        Либерализм провозглашает права и свободы каждого человека высшей ценностью и устанавливает их правовой основой общественного и экономического порядка.


        not about any substitution of concepts is out of the question, the synonym of the word liberal has always been the word pid ..... Art.
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 1 June 2013 09: 39 New
        +6
        Please answer minus.
        We do not need rights and freedoms, a constitution, free elections, the rule of law, the inviolability of private property and the equality of all before the law?
        Do we need an absolute monarchy?
        1. aleks3897
          aleks3897 1 June 2013 09: 53 New
          -4
          Yes, we need a monarchy!
          1. washi
            washi 1 June 2013 15: 55 New
            +5
            And let us be monarchs. I'm gonna go crazy. So be it. What will you do after the adoption of monarchism? Well, the royal chambers - this is definitely. What next? What laws? Who to rely on? How to master a country, taking into account the desires of individual citizens for separation. Whose industry is it? How to relate to foreign investment?
            All this in the plan of your actions, after accession.
            In order not to reveal obvious mistakes, I propose: discuss the program on the forum (at the same time identify the opposing contingent of future residents of Providence)
          2. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich 2 June 2013 01: 09 New
            -2
            Quote: aleks3897
            Yes, we need a monarchy!

            We do not need any monarchy! Aristocracy is needed! Honest, decent, educated people in power!
            And not like now, bydlokratiya ... When all the trash climbs into power, using it as a feeder ...
        2. Atrix
          Atrix 1 June 2013 10: 44 New
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          Quote: sergey32
          Please answer minus.
          We do not need rights and freedoms, a constitution, free elections, the rule of law, the inviolability of private property and the equality of all before the law?
          Do we need an absolute monarchy?

          Минусующие лет 12 вдалбливают что если человек либерал то он педа..ст и против России. Как уже много раз тут писали что "либо ты с нами, либо ты либерал и шакалишь у посольства США" И Вы спрашиваете нужны ли России право выбора и свобода ? А зачем они гражданам ? Если у Вас право выбора то Вы и несете ответственность за выбранного вами человека. И все его неудачи это по сути ваши провалы. А так что проще Сердюков украли миллиарды и вроде как никто не причем, ведь его Путин назначил и всех все устраивает. В России да и наверно в во всем СНГ граждане привыкли что за них кто-то всегда подумает выше. Нет будущего у людей которые не хотя решать свою судьбу сами и тут даже дело не в либерализме. Многие на это форуме да не только тут выкрикивают лозунги что нужен царь/правитель которые будет решать как им жить и когда умирать, а они и дальше будет как аморфная масса проживать свою жизнь. А если ты против царя то ты против бога и страны, разве Вы такое не слышали раньше ? И сейчас точно такие выкрики слышны только место царя, Путин. Инакомыслие сейчас всячески подавляется еще в зародыше, тебе сразу приписывают к педар..сами, прозападной шлю..хой, то что ты Родину не любишь и т.д.
          If Russia wants a bright future, it needs citizens who will themselves be responsible for themselves and their actions.
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 1 June 2013 16: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Atrix
            Russia's right to choose and freedom? Why are they citizens? If you have the right to choose, then you are responsible for the person you choose. And all his failures are essentially your failures. And so it’s easier Serdyukov was stolen by billions, and it seems like nobody had anything to do with it, because Putin appointed him and everyone is happy with everything.

            I apologize, but the conclusion is incorrect and unproven. Nobody would go to the polls then at all. Now less and less people go because they simply do not believe in them. But it will be eliminated soon. S.G.Shoigu suggested, citing foreign experience, non-voting deprive citizenship or punish hard labor.
            About freedom here finally kikos - I will not chew. And everything seems to be clear, there are only a lot of emotions. By the way
            Quote: Atrix
            you are immediately attributed to the pedar .. yourself, a pro-Western whore .. that you don’t love your homeland, etc.
            это приём такой, старый уже, но на него многие повелись, даже лидеры продуктивной здоровой оппозиции перессорились. Тот кто постарше не попал в капкан, но попал в разряд "ренегатов", а тот кто помоложе влип в "болотную жижу", подставился, короче, раньше времени.
          2. washi
            washi 1 June 2013 16: 19 New
            +4
            There is a popular expression: wee - do not toss bags. There are a lot of people wishing to equip OUR COUNTRY. But as was said about the Decembrists: They are very far from the people.
            I don’t understand at all, and here is the head of state (whoever he is). On the ground almost EVERYWHERE liberals are sitting-that is, grabbers.
            Современные "декабристы-болотники" также не хотят отпускать своих крепостных (рабочих и крестьян, которым платят по минимуму и ИП, которых в начале гнобят низкими ценами, потом перекупают или уничтожают. Потом цены повышаются).
            I do not have enough ships and confiscation of property of ALL who were involved in the privatization of state. THOSE. MY PROPERTY. I do not have enough enforcement of laws with respect to liberals, although THEY SHOULD NOT ALLOW THE LAW OF THE ACTIVITIES OF THE CPSU AND Komsomol and seized THEIR PROPERTY AND CASH. I PAYED CONTRIBUTIONS, i.e. I AM OWNER, UNDER MODERN LAWS.
            WHY MY SELLED WITHOUT ME?
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 1 June 2013 16: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: Vasya
              I don’t understand at all, and here is the head of state (whoever he is). On the ground almost EVERYWHERE liberals are sitting-that is, grabbers.
              Вася, есть понятия "управляемая" и "управляющая подсистема", "субъект" и "объект" управления. Есть, наконец, теория (если вы из SU) о "базисе" и "надстройке", которые должны соответсвовать друг другу. Ну не бывает такого, это не научно в старом понимании этого слова. Опять на одни и те же грабли - "....только бояре плохие".
        3. washi
          washi 1 June 2013 15: 43 New
          +5
          We need the equality of ALL before the law. And the laws that suit most of the country, and not like in France. Laws adopted for the sake of the minority, and the rest do not care.
          Т.Н. "диктатор" Сталин никогда, в отличии его последышей, не принимал решения единолично. Он всегда советовался не только с политбюро, но и с рядовыми исполнителями. Это была реальная демократия.
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 1 June 2013 16: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Vasya
            We need the equality of ALL before the law. And the laws that suit most of the country, and not like in France. Laws adopted for the sake of the minority, and the rest do not care.
            Если б всё было так просто..., если мы ведёмся на всякую чухню и не способны определиться с истинными ценностями, которые также подменяют, как и понятия - "Скво, тебе что больше нравится - эти бусы или долина на том берегу реки?" Тут уверуешь, что каждый народ (большинство) достойны иметь того, кто его имеет. Не знаю, насколько этично, но в подтверждение приведу перепост:
            Let’s say about Putin: - yes, some of his actions upset me, well, for example, his statement that everyone cannot be equal before the law, well, there’s much more that makes me sad in his actions, but to say that HE ruined the country, and nothing positive happens in Russia - this is not fair.
            Nick removed it. This is what kind of bread it was necessary to chop, to put on one level, like blouses in a store, the opportunity to live in a country in which laws are not written for everyone.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 1 June 2013 22: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: V. Salama
              This is what kind of bread it was necessary to chop, to put on one level, like blouses in a store, the opportunity to live in a country in which laws are not written for everyone.

              What kind of bread did you have to crumble to think that there is at least one country in the world where laws are written for everyone !?
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 1 June 2013 23: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: bot.su
                What kind of bread did you have to crumble to think that there is at least one country in the world where laws are written for everyone !?
                Ставлю вам плюс+. Вы справедливо подловили меня на небрежности. А вы уж сами воставьте себе жирный минус за нежелание думать и понять смысл написанного. И назовите хоть одну страну, где законы пишуться не для всех. Другое дело, как они применяются. А также скажите долго ли будет президент, например США, на своём месте, если публично заявит такое. В какой ещё стране, например Европы или даже Африки, "пипл это схавает". Мы схавали и это определяет наше настоящее, а какое ждёт будущее - тоже понятно, впереди кастовое рабовладельческое общество. Другого не заслуживаем...
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 2 June 2013 02: 04 New
                  -1
                  Yeah, minus me for the carelessness ...
                  Quote: V. Salama
                  And name at least one country where laws are not written for everyone.

                  Any monarchy, including constitutional.
                  “The identity of the King is inviolable; its ministers are responsible ”(Art. 63 of the Belgian Constitution); “The king cannot be held accountable for his actions” (§ 7 of the “Form of Government” of Sweden); etc. In other words, the monarch bears no political or legal responsibility for his actions.

                  About the model of democracy - the absolute monarchy of Saudi Arabia (if it is not a super-democratic country, why no one democratizes it?) Can not be mentioned.

                  Quote: V. Salama
                  And also tell me how long the president, for example the USA, will be in his place if he publicly declares this.

                  Well, the presidents of the United States and so could not soak.
                  Here is what George W. Bush said, two terms you supervised:
                  Another example is the Dredd Scott case, which went through the courts many years ago. It was said that the Constitution allows slavery, because ... because ... well, there is a right to personal property. This is a personal opinion. This is not what the Constitution says. The US Constitution says - we all ... we ... Well, you know, nothing like that is said there. The constitution does not mean equality in America.

                  What kind of democracy can there be in a country where an elected leader issues such pearls (the same Bush):
                  American children learn to be responsible citizens to take advantage of the opportunities our opportunist society offers
                  ;
                  We have lost too much time trying to talk to Africa fairly. However, Africa is a nation suffering from an inconceivable disease.
                  ;
                  Those who don’t think I can do my job underestimate me
                  ?

                  And nothing, 8 years led, and people hawala.

                  Quote: V. Salama
                  and what the future awaits is also clear, ahead of the caste slave society. We do not deserve another ...

                  Well, the United States has long been a caste society and nothing called democracy and forcing others ...
                  1. nerd.su
                    nerd.su 2 June 2013 02: 41 New
                    +1
                    Something I do not understand, is there a fan of George W. Bush on the site? laughing Gulchatai, open your face!
                  2. V. Salama
                    V. Salama 2 June 2013 13: 24 New
                    +1
                    The downside is not from me, so I don’t know for carelessness or what else.
                    Quote: bot.su
                    “The identity of the King is inviolable; its ministers are responsible ”(Art. 63 of the Belgian Constitution); “The king cannot be held accountable for his actions” (§ 7 of the “Form of Government” of Sweden); etc. In other words, the monarch bears no political or legal responsibility for his actions.
                    In our country (do not pay attention to the flag, it’s not a topic here), the president also does not bear any responsibility, according to the LAW. All types of liability were removed from EBN by the first Decree of the new President, and by the Federal Law that the new President pushed through - from all subsequent presidents of the Russian Federation. But we are somehow off topic, not talking about that. In monarchies that exist evolutionarily, the possible “arbitrariness” of the monarch in government affairs is conservatively associated with the “responsibility” of other officials, at least moral (this will depend on the specific situation). There is no absolute arbitrariness of the monarch even in the modern absolute monarchy (and even from history - the monarch lives until his arbitrariness does not contradict the corporate interests of the elite).
                    Quote: bot.su
                    About the model of democracy - the absolute monarchy of Saudi Arabia (if it is not a super-democratic country, why no one democratizes it?) Can not be mentioned.

                    We have not decided on the concept of “democracy,” so I would not like to touch upon this nuance now either, since we will speak different languages. Let me explain, democracy (the power of the people) appeared and existed as a form of the slave state. Only there, slaves were not considered for the people and did not have the right to vote. In ancient Rome, democracy was understood as the power of citizens, but in order to become a citizen it was necessary to serve in the army and start a family. What is democracy now understood? In the sense of talker-politicians, one gets the impression that they understand "the maximum possible for a given country (socio-political system) to involve the population in government." That is, the “dictator of Samos” has one family member and this is one democracy, and the EBN has a different family. In the USA - democracy too - put out the light, but your own.
                    Quote: bot.su
                    Well, the presidents of the United States and so could not soak. ... The constitution does not mean equality in America.
                    I put it on the scales, it does not outweigh (although I admit that a lot depends on the context and you can argue forever here), even if you put in the bowl “Those who don’t think that I can do my job, underestimate me,” then pulls. No one thinks that in the USA he is deceived as to his abilities and is perceived as self-criticism. And in the USSR, many did not think that the aging Brezhnev was doing his job and, before the law, not everyone was equal in law enforcement, but this was a serious problem, not a progressing trend (well, this is my opinion, which means that it is debatable).
                    Quote: bot.su
                    Well, the United States has long been a caste society and nothing called democracy and forcing others ...
                    Usually, when you think that it simply cannot be worse, in principle, and you stop resisting, it gets worse. And Russia has never been oriented toward the United States, although it lied, the positive can be found, but this is not the topic now.
                    1. V. Salama
                      V. Salama 2 June 2013 13: 57 New
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                      PS Yes, about the main thing, what is the point in general, my meaning, I’ll explain:
                      Я гражданин России и только России, другой Родины у меня нет и не было и по паспорту и в реале. Мне, в общем сейчас, не важно, что было плохого раньше или в других странах. Я знаю, что не хочу, жить в условиях когда "закон не для всех" или "когда не все равны перед законом". Прогресс общества надеюсь предполагается в мыслях и чаяниях народа. По крайней мере (на начальном этапе) это "равенство" должно существовать хотя бы в виде официальной декларации, в виде цели, к которой должны стремиться все граждане страны, в виде официальной идеологии. Мне непонятно, что такие вещи народ воспринимает спокойно. Вы, мне показалось, пытались меня или убедить в недостижимости этой цели или в её вредности, я не понял, но это не важно, в данной ситуации. Думаю предмет нашего разговора я сейчас определил более чётко.
                      1. nerd.su
                        nerd.su 2 June 2013 17: 17 New
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                        Quote: V. Salama
                        Я знаю, что не хочу, жить в условиях когда "закон не для всех" или "когда не все равны перед законом"

                        Do not want to - you just have to shoot yourself. Because there are no such states on our planet and will not be foreseen soon. Yes and to nothing. There are many laws, and the official duties of top officials, especially those related to the security of the state (president, prime minister, defense ministers, etc.) put these people before the choice between law and justice.
                        And in general ... I remember in recent years, before the collapse of the Union and until the 2000s, they only said that lawyers are forever, there should be lawyers in the Duma, because laws must be passed by professionals, political workers in the police are not needed, professionals and again lawyers ...
                        And what is the result? And everything, the development of the country has stopped. Lawyers cannot figure out what to do so that the mace hits targets, so that the satellites stop falling, so that agricultural and industry grow. But they can prove to everyone that according to the law they are not guilty of anything and can continue to work. Hence the conclusion - professionals should lead everything. Agronomists-agronomists, builders-builders, military-military, etc. And above all this should be a political leadership, preferably also emerging from professionals. The main thing should be the goal, everything should be subordinate to its decision. The law should be just an instrument of maintaining order and sweeping away obstacles to the goal. And no demagoguery.
                      2. V. Salama
                        V. Salama 2 June 2013 21: 56 New
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                        Quote: bot.su
                        Do not want to - you just have to shoot yourself. Because there are no such states on our planet and will not be foreseen soon.
                        Strange emotion, oh well, I didn’t read that. You offer to lower your hands? I understood, but not in Russian it is a progress to deny. Have you heard anything about the Pskov-Novgorod veche democracy? And the fact that soon it is not expected ... but what do you think is complete when it is expected? Soon - not soon? After that, it will be necessary to build it, I would like to decide on the drawings in advance before picking up shovel hammers. “He who does not understand the meaning will expend the efforts of nine bulls and will not get the required result” (Chinese wisdom).
                        Quote: bot.su
                        confront these individuals with a choice between law and justice.
                        Usually opposed "by law or by conscience." And conscience - there is an idea of ​​the right (due), it is different with us. So it turns out?
                        Quote: bot.su
                        I remember ... they only said - ... laws should be passed by professionals ... in the police ... we need professionals ...
                        And as soon as you could believe it, it was a military information operation. It was then necessary to know that a “professional” is not the one to whom a large salary is paid, but the one whose special activity is highly effective. I mean not only its technological, resource and target aspects (“effective manager”), but axiological and full effectiveness, showing how the activities of this specialist satisfy the needs of a managed or managing subsystem, both at the level of the economy and the state. There is still a nuance, but so far I’ll miss it, it will not work out briefly. And so, there’s no problem here, but who needed it? So much for “yes and nothing”.
                        Quote: bot.su
                        Hence the conclusion - professionals should lead everything. ... And above all this should be the political leadership ... emerging from professionals.
                        And who argues, but what does it have to do with it? This is commonplace.
                        Quote: bot.su
                        The main thing should be the goal, everything should be subordinate to its decision.
                        Any activity by definition (- is the purposeful implementation of ... efforts) is purposeful. And the main goal (or function) is the backbone of the system (systems theory). This is not news either. What is a goal that needs to meet needs? Whose needs, subjects of a managed or managing subsystem? And what should be the priorities here?
                        Quote: bot.su
                        The law should be just an instrument of maintaining order and sweeping away obstacles to the goal.
                        Данное определение внутренне противоречиво,хотя зависит от того, что под порядком понимать. Да, и закон - орудие это верно, в принципе, но термин "правовое государство" слышали? А "право это есть воля народа, оформленная в виде закона". Это вашим представлениям соответствует?
                        Quote: bot.su
                        And no demagoguery

                        Now we are very reminiscent of demagogues here, but I still do not understand your views and what you are trying to convince me of, unfortunately.
                      3. nerd.su
                        nerd.su 3 June 2013 09: 04 New
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                        Quote: V. Salama
                        Now we are very reminiscent of demagogues here, but I still do not understand your views and what you are trying to convince me of, unfortunately.

                        So yes, it’s not easy for us to understand each other. You should speak with your style somewhere at the Academy of Sciences. In principle, I understand what you are saying, but, excuse me, of course, I am always tormented by vague doubts when people with such a scientific style appear on such sites.
                        Мои взгляды... Я не верю в "правовое государство", "все равны перед законом" и прочую чушь. Это утопия, такая же как коммунизм. По крайней мере на данном этапе развития общества. Это вредная для России утопия, нам сейчас некогда за это бороться. Это сугубо мое личное мнение.
                      4. V. Salama
                        V. Salama 3 June 2013 10: 42 New
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                        Quote: bot.su
                        I am always tormented by vague doubts when people with such a scientific style appear on such sites.
                        Let me explain: I served in the Army for a long time, what site should I be on? And such a style is more difficult to explain here. I think this is partly a professional deformation, but also the desire to switch to a single language of communication - operating with concepts at the household level and filling them with arbitrary content when discussing complex issues, we are doomed to misunderstanding.
                        Quote: bot.su
                        This is a utopia harmful to Russia, we now have no time to fight for it. This is purely my personal opinion.
                        Enough will not oppose progress and the transition to socialism will become inevitable. But this is also my purely personal opinion.
                        Quote: bot.su
                        I basically understand what you're saying
                        Значит мы не зря потратили время на это обсуждение. Это большая редкость "По крайней мере на данном этапе развития общества"
  • Andrew-001
    Andrew-001 1 June 2013 15: 04 New
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    Я не "минусующий", но отвечу: Да, пролизошла подмена понятий. Но раз массы людей понимают под словом "либерализм" свободу одного отдельно взятого человека от любых обязательств и его право решать за всех остальных - надо в википедии (и остальных справочниках) менять смысл определения. Например назвать это новолиберализмом. И вот к нему то наши враги имеют самое прямое отношение.
  • V. Salama
    V. Salama 1 June 2013 15: 14 New
    -3
    Quote: sergey32
    What is liberalism? Here's how Wikipedia dislikes it.
    Потому она и нелюбимая, что определяет понятия с нарушением научных процедур, что не раскрывает сущность определяемого явления. Кроме того, в данном определении этого и не предполагается: - "Либерализм провозглашает права и свободы каждого человека высшей ценностью ..." В принципе, всем плевать, что он там провозглашает, хотелось бы знать, что есть "либерализм" - сущность данного явления, совокупность существенных признаков. Да и сам термин "либерализм" - это характеристика капитализма. Что такое капитализм, думаю объяснять не надо.
    Quote: sergey32
    As you can see, there is nothing wrong.
    Просто не всё "лежит на глазах".
    Quote: sergey32
    It seems that our enemies are not related to the liberals.
    If you look closely, liberalism bury the entire world economy, including the enemy. You just need to send them all out of the country and then I would make them friends.
  • washi
    washi 1 June 2013 15: 35 New
    +1
    I agree. The main implementation of the law of the country. But who wrote these laws and for whom?
    Я хочу чтобы по отношению ко мне выполнялась Сталинская конституция (проект, а не то что приняли, блогодаря предкам "болотников") и законы, которые действовали в 50-м году..
  • old man54
    old man54 2 June 2013 00: 34 New
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    незнаю, где вы это взяли, но фундаментом либералистической идеи есть утверждение, что всё то дозволено, что хорошо человеку, что ему нравиться и чего он хочет. Т.е. ни какие моральные, нравственные, духовные и религиозные рамки не могут быть впринципе! Вот теперь Вам понятно, почему в Гейропе такой разгул вседозволенности и сексраспущенности? И почему эти "свободы" так ряно охраняюьтся там законами.
  • AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 2 June 2013 01: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: sergey32
    It seems that our enemies are not related to the liberals.

    Clear business, have replaced concepts! Democracy is the same in fact the power of the people. And the true meaning of this word was clear in the days of the Soviet Union! The USSR was a real democratic country! And I add, the United States was a strangler of democracy and an enemy of a progressive world community! And only in the 90 years, we began to impose the opinion that democracy and the United States are synonyms! And how then this lie cut the rumor! Now we’ve gotten used to it, and we affirm that American democracy is the same as liberalism!
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 2 June 2013 17: 05 New
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      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Democracy is the same in fact the power of the people. And the true meaning of this word was clear in the days of the Soviet Union! The USSR was a real democratic country!

      The true meaning of the concept of democracy is always the same. It's just that politicians of all stripes use it in different ways. As for the USSR, there was no democracy there. The country and the people were completely ruled by the party through its officials. This is called bureaucracy-based partocracy.
  • NKVD
    NKVD 1 June 2013 09: 57 New
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    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    But their brains are washed out and they do not understand that wanting good is harmful.

    I doubt that they want benefit, all their actions are conscious and meaningful, and the goal is the collapse of the state ...
  • Gari
    Gari 1 June 2013 10: 26 New
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    The goal of the Russian patriot is to destroy the power of the “liberals”. Revival of society. Strengthening family, morality and ethics. Leading technical and intellectual progress of society. Population increase of the country. Providing opportunities for our children and grandchildren to live freely and morally.

    THE PURPOSE OF THE WORLD-SCALE PATRIOT is the destruction of the power of “liberal” degenerates and enemies of the human race on a scale of all mankind.

    “Liberalism” declared war on us hundreds of years ago. Ruthless war of annihilation. We have no choice. It has long been made for us and our descendants.

    We have to die anyway.

    Better to die in battle.

    We have nothing to lose, behind our families, our homeland
    Victory will be ours !!!
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 1 June 2013 10: 45 New
      +7
      And I agree with Sergey32.

      And the substitution of concepts occurs not only in relation to liberalism.
      The same can be said about democracy, communism, fascism, Zionism, socialism, etc. There was a shift ...

      You just need to call everything by their proper names and finally understand the terminology.

      Otherwise, we will become completely confused, do not agree, and lose quickly!

      And aleks3897 and pahom54, I advise you to read a story at your leisure on the topic of the monarchy.
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 1 June 2013 15: 42 New
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        Quote: aviamed90
        And I agree with Sergey32.
        And the substitution of concepts occurs not only in relation to liberalism.
        The same can be said about democracy, communism, fascism, Zionism, socialism, etc. There was a shift ...
        Хотелось бы обратить внимание на то, что "подмена понятий" не объективное явление, это есть приём манипуляции сознанием со скрытыми целями. Произошёл сдвиг в системе образования, а не "какой-то". Если владеешь научным определением какого либо понятия (необходимая совокупность существенного), то тебе уже мозг не промоешь, хотя научных определений одного и того же понятия может быть несколько, но они не должны быть противоречивыми и определяться правильно (по законам логики).
        Quote: aviamed90
        Otherwise, we will become completely confused, do not agree, and lose quickly!
        В этом и цель. Ещё Ленин предупреждал: "неграмотный человек всегда вне политики, как субъект и всегда в политике, как средство". Можно делать выводы...
    2. Gari
      Gari 1 June 2013 11: 16 New
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      Here is someone put a minus
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 1 June 2013 11: 31 New
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        By the way, something else about the substitution of concepts.

        Hitler never called his party fascist.
        Её официальное название - "Национал-социалистическая немецкая рабочая партия Германии".

        Who will object?
        Do you dislike socialism? Do you not respect workers? Are you not interested in Germany? And you are against the nation? Then - to the wall!

        It is a patriotic sign.
    3. washi
      washi 1 June 2013 16: 28 New
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      I ALREADY read it on this site.
      Do not roll bags
      You can say EVERYTHING. Harder to do.
      Who, where, what did so that the Russian Federation, the USSR again became great.
      He built a house, planted a tree, gave birth to 3 or more children, produced and sold products without intermediaries, sued the bribe takers and the judges themselves who take the money?
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 1 June 2013 20: 47 New
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        washi

        Do you want to offer something specific?

        The whole country to sue bribe takers and judges?

        And about the tree, three children and products - people are trying!
        Да что-то с нашими "рулевыми" - плохо получается! Всё куда-то исчезает - и дети (не рожают из-за нищеты), и деревья (рубят нещадно, как Химкинский лес) и особенно продукция (тут вообще тёмная и криминальная история)!

        I think that it’s enough if a citizen is law-abiding, works and benefits his country (it doesn’t have to produce something), protects it in case of war, honors his old people, loves children and his wife, respects fellow citizens, etc.
        This should be enough to be considered a worthy citizen.
        And, it’s not at all necessary to take up arms and pour the blood of those who disagree with your opinion!

        Должен быть способ - как сделать "чтоб РФ, СССР опять стали великими" (ваша цитата).
        We think and argue over this, sir!
  • old man54
    old man54 2 June 2013 00: 30 New
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    Найти "тех" сложно, согласен, но одно знаю точно - они скорее всего с пейсами! Но не рядовые конечно, а ооочень высоко сидят!
  • Rustiger
    Rustiger 1 June 2013 08: 13 New
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    Liberals declared war on us. We must defend ourselves.

    We have to die anyway.
    Better to die in battle.

    В статье отмечены, по сути, правильные цели. Но почему сразу с заголовка настрой на такую "пораженческую позицию". Не "защищаться", а ударить в ответ!
    The words of an Orthodox elder are given, but CHRISTMAS is condemned in Christianity.
    And the ending is generally decadent. Better say "Готовы биться за своих детей и внуков, чтобы им не пришлось умирать!" angry soldier
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 1 June 2013 08: 21 New
    +5
    THE GOAL OF THE RUSSIAN PATRIOT is the destruction of the power of the "liberals."


    напомнило, девиз "Православие или смерть!" кстати в России он признан экстремистским
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 1 June 2013 11: 18 New
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      seller trucks

      Это лозунг из арсенала "Чёрной сотни" (официальное название - "Союз русского народа").

      Формула этих ребят: "Православие, самодержавие, народность". А как же многонациональная и многоконфессиональная Россия?
      Dissenting bullet in the forehead and ditch?
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 1 June 2013 08: 23 New
    +4
    ... people who formed in the Soviet state remember not only the lineup of sausage and tights, but also the high outbursts of the masses, labor heroism and burning spirit.

    When we have national idea,как в отдельный период "преступного коммунистического режима",для нас нет ничего невозможного.ИМХО.
    Возникает вопрос:почему лучший друг российских горнолыжников и дзюдоистов до сих пор не сформулировал внятно то,ради чего страна опять станет рвать жилы? Попытка свести всё к банальному "обогащайтесь" (удвоению ВВП и т.п.) с этой ролью явно не справилась.А нам,если мы хотим снова стать полновесным центром силы - без чего сам факт нашего выживания выглядит сомнтиельным - необходим именно рывок, а не поступательное,неторопливое движение.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 1 June 2013 08: 30 New
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    Когда я слышу слова "демократ" и "либерал" рука рефлекторно тянется к табельному макарову.

    PS: Sorry Slavs, paraphrased Goebels, but it hurts to the place of quotation.
    1. Prometheus
      Prometheus 1 June 2013 09: 07 New
      +3
      Not Goebbels, but Hans Jost. A quote really came to the place.
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 1 June 2013 09: 43 New
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        Not Hans Jost, but Himmler. No.
        The exact author of the statement is not known.
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  • omsbon
    omsbon 1 June 2013 08: 31 New
    +6
    Best defense is attack.
    The axiom that does not require proof is applicable in war and in politics.
  • Bosk
    Bosk 1 June 2013 08: 37 New
    +3
    А не слишком ли мы зациклились на "гуманистах?,ведь любая проблема возникает при бездействии или при пассивном отношении к ней. "Либералы обьявили нам войну"...это скорее они сами себе обьявили войну,потому как их даже не меньшинство...скорее минимум по максу и многие их идеи противоположны человеческой природе,я хочу заметить не натуре, а именно ПРИРОДЕ. А переть супротив природы...это то же самое что пытатса остановить паровоз лбом...В ПРИНЦИПЕ ЭТО ВОЗМОЖНО, НО ПО ФАКТУ ЭТО ЧРЕВАТО...
    1. dmit-xnumx
      dmit-xnumx 1 June 2013 14: 10 New
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      - That is, an attempt is possible, but not a result.
    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 2 June 2013 17: 20 New
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      Quote: Bosk
      "Либералы обьявили нам войну"...это скорее они сами себе обьявили войну,потому как их даже не меньшинство...скорее минимум по максу и многие их идеи противоположны человеческой природе

      Nature is not opposed to liberalism, but to its perversions. Any idea can be brought to the point of absurdity. This is what happened with modern European pseudo-liberalism. Before the sexual revolution began, liberalism in Europe corresponded fully to human nature, and before the start of multiculturalism, it corresponded to the common sense of the Europeans themselves in general. Perhaps Europe was really ruined by excessive humanism.
  • Vladimir_61
    Vladimir_61 1 June 2013 08: 41 New
    +4
    Иллюзий насчёт социализма не было, так как он воплощался в жизнь. Не в названии дело - в идее, а она осуществлялась, пусть и с ошибками. Любое первое творение несовершенно. Несмотря на недостатки было движение вперёд к построению справедливого общества. Что сейчас? Отрыжка старого сгнившего мира в новой упаковке из измышлённых теорий. "Не ведают, что творят"? Из тех, кто будто бы заблудился. Прошли те времена, когда можно было оправдаться незнанием. Всё они знают и понимают. И бороться с ними необходимо.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 2 June 2013 17: 26 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_61
      Despite the shortcomings, there was a move forward towards building a just society.

      What was this forward movement manifested in? In the heyday of the end of the existence of the USSR hazing, cronyism, petty theft of state property, a gradually developing drug addiction and rapidly growing alcoholism? Soviet society was decomposing at an ever-accelerating pace, and perestroika only completed the process of its collapse.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 1 June 2013 09: 04 New
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    fucking democrats and liberals roll away from our country here is your happiness
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 1 June 2013 09: 07 New
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      And here is our happiness !!!! and go ass fucking liberals
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 1 June 2013 10: 48 New
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        Quote: avant-garde
        And here is our happiness !!!!

        And here are our GOALS like men and fathers!

        1

        2

        And who will interfere - ground the muffler!
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 1 June 2013 11: 20 New
          +1
          plus 100000000500000000 !!!
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 1 June 2013 20: 32 New
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        Quote: avant-garde
        And here is our happiness !!!!
        Возразить нечего. "А что ещё нужно для счастья?" А тут ещё нужна уверенность в будущем для наших детей. А что для этого нужно сделать? - "Построить дом, посадить дерево..." Короче, "заниматься делом и меньше пи..ть". Похоже, мы даже не представляем с чего начать.
        1. old man54
          old man54 2 June 2013 00: 48 New
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          all positive and patriotic must unite, create a single governing body (organization), in order to fight the 3,14dorasy. Forgot Lenin or what? Read his theory of revolutionary sitauatsii, a very true theory, relevant as never before.
  • the polar
    the polar 1 June 2013 09: 04 New
    +5
    Экий болван этот автор статьи Розанов. Значит по его мнению социалистическая идея себя не оправдала, надо у "старцев" идею искать. Ну так христианству две тысячи лет и именно христианство, включая православие породило и выпестовало либерализм.

    Так что, провозглашенная автором "цель российского патриота... всемирного масштаба", хотя может быть и искренняя, но глупая и безграмотная лозунговщина.
    Ну уничтожил автор власть "«либеральных» выродков и врагов рода человеческого", а что дальше?
    Что автор собирается построить вместо либерализма, социализм его не устраивает, т.к. он по его мнению "себя не оправдал", тогда какую концепцию он предлагает? Строить церкви, для обеспечения "прорывных технологий ради всеобщего счастья человечества"?
    Some nonsense.
    1. Borat
      Borat 1 June 2013 09: 12 New
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      Quote: Polar
      Some nonsense.

      Totally agree with you! A very successful epithet to this article.
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 1 June 2013 20: 09 New
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      Quote: Polar
      Так что, провозглашенная автором "цель российского патриота... всемирного масштаба", хотя может быть и искренняя, но глупая...
      Эта цель не нова, автор её заимствовал или у Максима Калашникова или у Владимира Бушина, не помню точно и нет под рукой этих изданий. Но они оба не отходят от социализма и преподносят её как стратегическую цель, соответствующую русскому менталитету. Короче, она там глупой не представляется. А у автора, возможно неблаговидная цель - "для того чтобы дискредитироваль любую идею, надо довести её до абсурда". Или как минимум, перехватить привлекательную идею и увести народ в нужную сторону. Предлагаемый же странный симбиоз этой цели с чем-то неопознанным (думаю - это попытка консолидации народа с властью под флагом великой цели, государственной -то идеологии так и нет) действительно - лозунговщина.
  • Borat
    Borat 1 June 2013 09: 09 New
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    Ingenious! And how has no one guessed before ?! belay

    Disputes about the Russian national idea have been going on since the collapse of the USSR!
    Ваша "школа здравого смысла" занимается исключительно изобретением велосипедов?
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 1 June 2013 09: 18 New
    +2
    on the site p..i..d..o..r be careful he puts down cons for the fact that happiness is a full-fledged family!
    1. dmit-xnumx
      dmit-xnumx 1 June 2013 14: 17 New
      +1
      Ай, "волков бояться, в лес не ходить"! Это не страшно, страшно, что фраза из "Трембиты"(оперетта, худ. фильм)"Грабь, обманывай воруй - только стань порядочным человеком!"- вошла в современную жизнь как кредо.
  • v53993
    v53993 1 June 2013 09: 19 New
    +4
    "Я с корнем бы вырвал либерализм.
    Педри...м пощады нет..."
    So today would begin his poem VV Mayakovsky
  • NKVD
    NKVD 1 June 2013 09: 30 New
    +2
    ЕЩЁ О ЛИБЕРАЛАХ .Ф.М Достоевский "Наш русский либерал прежде всего лакей и только и смотрит, как бы кому-нибудь сапоги вычистить",а вот ещё:
    " …В факте этом выражается вся сущность русского либерализма того рода, о котором я говорю. Во-первых, что же, и есть либерализм, если говорить вообще, как не нападение (разумное или ошибочное, это другой вопрос) на существующие порядки вещей? Ведь так? Ну, так факт мой состоит в том, что русский либерализм не есть нападение на существующие порядки вещей, а есть нападение на самую сущность наших вещей, на самые вещи, а не на один только порядок, не на русские порядки, а на самую Россию. Мой либерал дошел до того, что отрицает самую Россию, то есть ненавидит и бьет свою мать. Каждый несчастный и неудачный русский факт возбуждает в нем смех и чуть не восторг. Он ненавидит народные обычаи, русскую историю, все. Если есть для него оправдание, так разве в том, что он не понимает, что делает, и свою ненависть к России принимает за самый плодотворный либерализм…" Лучше и не скажешь.
    1. avt
      avt 1 June 2013 10: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: NKVD
      Ф.М Достоевский "Наш русский либерал прежде всего лакей и только и смотрит, как бы кому-нибудь сапоги вычистить",а вот ещё:

      Quote: NKVD
      My liberal has come to the point that he denies Russia itself, that is, it hates and beats his mother.

      Именно поэтому у революционеров -первенцев ,ленинской гвардии Толстой был ,,зеркалом русской революции" ,а Достоевский -,,дрянной старикашка"
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 1 June 2013 21: 00 New
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        Quote: avt
        That is why the revolutionaries-Pervents, the Leninist guard ...

        But who only wasn’t there, then they sorted it out - someone with an ice ax, someone else ... There are many interests intertwined with regard to Russia, and, of course, heaps of different stripes stood under the banner of the Revolution. But in the end, it turned out as it should - Dostoevsky was in school. But at Chubais, the CIA went to assistants - and the result is appropriate and quite obvious. Maybe in this situation you’ll come up with some kind of joke too. I think the popularity will be ensured.
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger 1 June 2013 11: 13 New
      +8
      Quote: NKVD
      Ф.М Достоевский "Наш русский либерал прежде всего лакей и только и смотрит, как бы кому-нибудь сапоги вычистить"

      The rightness of Fedor Mikhalych is directly proved by this liberal
      In an interview with the London Financial Times, NANOtoliy Chubais said: “I have re-read Dostoevsky in the last three months. And I have an almost physical hatred of this man. He is certainly a genius, but his idea of ​​the Russians as an elected, holy people, his cult of suffering and the false choice that he offers make me want to tear him to pieces. ”

      They writhe like salted maggots. Such statements and understanding by PEOPLE of the true essence of liberalism prevent them, corpse eaters.
      1. dmit-xnumx
        dmit-xnumx 1 June 2013 14: 24 New
        +1
        100500! - get ahead! But I am ready to subscribe to your statement.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 June 2013 09: 32 New
    +5
    Yes, everything will be fine men .. Russia has repeatedly crushed all the scum .. They are now screaming in a geyevropu .. and saliva sprinkle with anger .. the most dangerous are those who are quietly sitting .. and shitting .. and we will calculate them .. sooner or later !! .. The main thing is to educate sons by the real defenders of the Motherland ..
    1. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 1 June 2013 09: 45 New
      +1
      Your words, to God’s ears.
    2. NKVD
      NKVD 1 June 2013 09: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      ..They are now screaming and running to geyevropu

      Russia is self-cleaning.
    3. V. Salama
      V. Salama 1 June 2013 22: 12 New
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      Quote: MIKHAN
      Yes, everything will be fine men .. Russia all the scum has repeatedly crushed ..

      Как говорили древние: "О значительнейших вещах не следует судить слишком поспешно". Короче, не хотелось бы к серьёзному делу подходить с шапкозакидательством.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 1 June 2013 09: 33 New
    +3
    "Liberals declared war on us" - согласен! Ну, а дальше в заголовке бред. Защищаются от сильного противника. От кого защищаться. Всё с ног на жо.. голову перевернуто. Другое дело возвращать традиции и для либерастов готовить резервации а ля зоо парк.
  • Semurg
    Semurg 1 June 2013 09: 35 New
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    Yes, some kind of hysteria from the author (it is better to die in battle) has not yet been at the mercy of wars, revolutions, perestroika. Why, once again, call people to the barricades, it takes another or two generations for the country to come to its senses, and here they’ll march left march march right march on the barricades. Well, and who wants to fight recently on a nearby branch, there was a record of volunteers in Syria (there in Syria, on the other hand, there are the same fighters for ideas), but such as the author will chase young people to die and remain behind to justify new ideas.
  • NKVD
    NKVD 1 June 2013 09: 39 New
    +1
    В моём понимании "русский"либерализм-это Немцовы,Каспаровы,Касьяновы,Ксюхи Собчачки и прочая сволочь... am
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 1 June 2013 10: 46 New
      +1
      LIBERALISM is something without nationality and orientation, and is aimed more at the idea than at the person ... By the way, gentlemen Nemtsov-Sobakevichi, they do not love their homeland, but love their love for the homeland (by the way for money), and liberals. ..for them people are cattle ... for them their own idea is dear and they cherish and cherish it ... I think they will not die out on their own ... but you need to contribute!
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 1 June 2013 21: 14 New
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      Quote: NKVD
      В моём понимании "русский"либерализм-это Немцовы,Каспаровы,Касьяновы,Ксюхи Собчачки и прочая сволочь...

      А как же Чубайс, и те, кому он так дорог? - это и есть "прочая сволочь?"
      Лучше было тогда построить фразу так: "в моём понимании либерализм - это прочая сволочь..." А эту мелкую шушеру можно было даже и не упоминать.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 June 2013 09: 43 New
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    You just need to live .. to educate the children and this foam will soon settle down ... in Russia it’s always like that .. But I don’t want to fight, but I’ll have to obviously .. they’ve already used all their tricks .. Russia is worth it !!! In Syria, everything will be decided .. I think
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 1 June 2013 09: 46 New
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    Quote: NKVD
    and other bastard ...

    позвольте с Вами немного не "согласиться" drinks, this is not a bastard, it is a hundred times worse and this abomination has no place in Russia!
  • marsavin.yu
    marsavin.yu 1 June 2013 09: 49 New
    +5
    The idea of ​​the Russians is justice! Justice in everything, in life in actions in relations with the state, more precisely in relations with the state. And you don’t need to look for it somewhere, it lives in everyone. And stop breeding about the idea. Better promote healthy lifestyles!
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 1 June 2013 10: 54 New
      +2
      In the state you will not find justice. This is not a legal term.
      The state operates with such a concept as LEGALITY.
      And you always confuse law and justice, although even Catherine II drew the attention of her contemporaries.
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 1 June 2013 21: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: marsavin.yu
      Justice in everything, in life in actions in relation to the state, more precisely in relations with the state.
      "Справедливость" однако, понятие партийное. "Партийности принцип" (партия - часть) введён в обиход ещё Аристотелем. По сути это социально-классовая (если мягче - социально-политическая) позиция, принцип идеологии, то есть - объективно существующее явление. Он предписывает нам различать - с позиции интересов какой социальной группы (класса) осуществляется та или иная деятельность. А государство есть инструмент защиты гоподствующего класса. У нас в реале не демократия, а аристократия (была в древности такая форма государства) или на современный лад - олигархия. Короче, на Руси барщина 10% это считалось справедливо, а для меня справедливо, когда барщины вообще нет, другими словами у нас с олигархами разное понимание справедливости.
      Quote: marsavin.yu
      Get better at promoting healthy living!
      Are you an oligarch that you take aside, giving such advice?
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 2 June 2013 02: 38 New
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        Quote: V. Salama
        And the state is a tool to protect the dwelling class. In our reality, it is not democracy, but aristocracy (in ancient times, this form of state) or, in modern times, oligarchy.

        And then where is democracy? In real life?
        Quote: V. Salama
        In short, in Russia, 10% corvée was considered fair, but for me it is fair when corvee does not exist at all, in other words, the oligarchs and I have a different understanding of justice.

        And they would live in the 19th century, it would seem that is fair. Taxes - is that fair? You can argue only about the size.
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 2 June 2013 21: 11 New
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          Quote: bot.su
          in the 19th century, it would seem that is fair. Taxes - is that fair? You can argue only about the size.
          The concept of “justice” requires mastering if you do not see the difference between “corvée” and “tax”. If the tax is unfair, what does the business do? Or goes into the shade or goes to the square. Here, at least there is an appearance of freedom. And what is justice? It’s not a matter of size, size, in this case, is the quality expressed by a number (quantitatively).
  • Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 1 June 2013 09: 50 New
    +4
    A revision of the results of privatization - what is not an idea? For Russia, besides supranational.
    The prosecution of those who were in power in the 90s, without a statute of limitations, the confiscation of the stolen from them or their descendants is also normal.
    Well, enhanced reproduction. wink
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 1 June 2013 10: 55 New
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      And when you review the results of privatization, what will you do? Reproduction?

      Good idea!
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 1 June 2013 22: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey from Tver
      A revision of the results of privatization - what is not an idea? For Russia, besides supranational.
      Идея - суть идеология в нашем случае, представление о плохом и хорошем, полезном и не полезном, а также о направлениях целях развития. Есть и научное определение понятия "идеология". Короче, "пересмотр итогов" это необходимо, но не достаточно и на "национальную" (извиняюсь за термин, он общепризнанный, хотя и не соответствует содержанию понятия) идею не тянет.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 1 June 2013 10: 02 New
    -3
    Quote: sergey32
    Please answer minus.
    We do not need rights and freedoms, a constitution, free elections, the rule of law, the inviolability of private property and the equality of all before the law?
    Do we need an absolute monarchy?

    Yes, all this has never happened in Russia (and the USSR). And all the time I want to ask a question: well, what freedom do you (you) need ??? Freedom from what ??? Freedom for what ??? What freedom ??? I am sure that someone who, having angry, makes noise about the need for freedom (or a complex of freedoms), if he thinks well, will not answer himself.
    Yes, Russia needs, if not a monarchy, then, as they said earlier, an iron hand. Try liberal methods to restore our economy, especially agriculture!
    And why are you bad monarchy ??? Imagine, one dynasty rules, which does not need to plunder national wealth, but only increase it. Thirsty rat riches and riches do not tear to power (feeding trough), billions of dollars are not needed for their re-election (rats) ...
    All the same, the monarchy has advantages ... At least in the fact that the presumptuous prime minister can be publicly executed on Red Square by the decision of the monarch ...
    1. NKVD
      NKVD 1 June 2013 10: 23 New
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      Quote: pahom54
      All the same, the monarchy has advantages ...

      Are you talking about constitutional monarchy or absolute?
      1. pahom54
        pahom54 1 June 2013 10: 29 New
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        The constitutional monarchy will not allow the presumptuous prime minister to execute on Red Square, so, obviously, we will talk about the absolute.
        Even if the monarch is g ..., but this is his g ... and not some kind of pseudo supposedly chosen by the people and who is the same g ...
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 1 June 2013 11: 04 New
          +3
          pahom54

          Do you dream of a new Peter I, Alexander III or Catherine II?
          Suppose you find them and set them on the throne. And who will guarantee that their descendants will not turn into degenerates and tyrants?

          Isn’t it easier to just choose a decent head of state without inheritance rights? Or is inheritance of power fundamentally for you?
        2. Rustiger
          Rustiger 1 June 2013 11: 31 New
          0
          Nicholas II was also a hereditary monarch, but he saved before the pressure of the West. Badly finished / unfortunately /. . .
          And he laid the foundation for this. . .
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 1 June 2013 11: 36 New
            +4
            Rustiger

            Do you think that under Nicholas II the people lived sweetly?
            Less listen to film director Mikhalkov and more often read the history of the Fatherland.
            1. Alexey K.
              Alexey K. 2 June 2013 01: 56 New
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              Dear aviamed90, here are some facts for your information - everyone will draw conclusions.

              Under Tsar Nicholas ll: - 2nd place in the world in terms of GDP (after the United States), - 4th place in the world in terms of total industrial production, - 5th place in the world in terms of living. - industrial production growth rates - 1st place in the world. - The growth rate of national income - 1st place in the world. - темпы роста производительности труда - 1-ое место в мире. - уровень концентрации производства – 1-ое место в мире. - gold reserves - 3rd place in the world. - One of the hardest currencies in the world - the Russian gold ruble. - the world's largest oil exporter; - the world's largest exporter of textile products; - one of the world's largest producers of non-ferrous and ferrous metallurgy products; - one of the world's largest manufacturers of engineering products. - One of the largest countries in the world in terms of coal production. - One of the largest railway lines in the world. One of the highest rates in the world for the construction of railways. - the world's largest exporter of cereals, flax, eggs, milk, butter, meat, sugar, etc. Crops of crops are 1/3 more than the crops of Argentina, the USA and Canada combined. - a practically resolved land issue (80% of the land in European Russia and 100% of the land in Siberia was in the hands of peasants on the basis of property rights or leases). Increasing the fertility of the land and the number of crops, the active introduction of new tools, for example, tractors, new types of plows, etc. - the most developed social legislation in the world - for example, the wages of Russian workers are higher than European wages, second only (in the world) to American wages. The Law on Social Insurance was adopted before all European states and the USA. - One of the lowest tax levels among European countries (below the UK, France, Austria-Hungary and Germany, below the Russian taxes were only in Italy). - the world's fastest population growth rates (over the years of the reign of Nicholas II, the population increased by about 60 million. person). - fast-growing literacy. In particular, successfully functioning since 1908. universal primary education, in 1918 planned to introduce a universal average. The largest number of female students among all European countries. - A booming healthcare system. In terms of the number of doctors, Russia is in second place in Europe and third in the world. - One of the strongest armies in the world, which, moreover, is developing rapidly. The best Mosin rifles in the world, one of the best Maxim machine guns in the world, and some of the best 76 mm field guns in the world. The largest air fleet in the world. The world's best destroyers and some of the best battleships in the world, the world's best mines and mine production tactics. - The world's largest river merchant fleet. - The release of some of the best steam locomotives in the world. - Alcohol consumption per capita is lower than in the main European countries. - There are no problems with inflation and unemployment, since both of them are almost completely absent. - The crime rate is lower than in the United States and Western Europe.
              1. Rustiger
                Rustiger 2 June 2013 10: 57 New
                +1
                Сотня "+" вам, за то, что "опередили" с ответом!
                Quote: Alexey K.
                By 1980, Russia would become a superpower with a billion people, ranking first in military power and financial performance in the world!

                Ну кому же из мировых иудакровопийц такое может понравиться? Срочно необходимо было "покончить с такой ситуацией". Мир-то становился, как теперь принято говорить, "однополярным", т.е. с явным "перекосом силы и человеческих ценностей" за Россией. Со стороны запада были предприняты все механизмы достижения "по исправлению ситуации". Результат мы видели И ПОМНИМ!!! Цель нелюдей была достигнута тогда . . .
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger 1 June 2013 11: 28 New
      0
      Quote: pahom54
      Yes, Russia needs, if not a monarchy, then, as they said earlier, an iron hand.

      In other words, MILITARY DICTATURE (not to be confused with the junta)! Why not? Who is afraid of her here?
      And we’ll tighten up with this, then either the abyss or total terror. . . Only whom and by whom? We or us. . .
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 1 June 2013 11: 51 New
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        Rustiger

        Do you propose to appoint a general from the General Staff to the post of prime minister or, for example, minister of agriculture? Great destination!

        Just how will it differ from today's appointments to ministerial seats?

        Или под военной диктатурой вы понимете, что возле каждого чиновника будет стоять солдат с "калашом"?

        Кстати, вспомните понятие "военный коммунизм" (это уже было в нашей истории). Очень эффективное средство... Особенно по уничтожению людей.

        Что вы понимаете под термином "военная диктатура"?
        1. pahom54
          pahom54 1 June 2013 13: 16 New
          -2
          Everyone forgot about General Pinochet, General De Gaulle ... And they revived the country, and were national heroes. Afraid of a military dictatorship - why is a civil dictatorship better ???
          In general, this is a difficult question. Choose a worthy .... Yes, for how many years we have only been choosing it ...
          Speaking of generals: what do you dislike about General Sergey Shoigu - a real workhorse ???
          1. stranik72
            stranik72 1 June 2013 16: 52 New
            +1
            As for Pinochet, the issue is debatable, the Chileans themselves do not consider him a national hero.
      2. Atrix
        Atrix 1 June 2013 12: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Rustiger
        Why not? Who is afraid of her here?

        Well, then you will tell when you will be sent to Siberia for a joke against the Party and the Tsar for 5 years, or the tsar will not like his party as you bow at the legs. And then tell us about the delights of dictatorship.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 1 June 2013 18: 55 New
          +1
          pahom54

          Do you think that the last 15-20 years have given us the opportunity to choose?
          Or were there worthy candidates? All worthy were very far-sighted weighed out at the first stages of registration.

          About Pinochet ...
          You yourself warned about the inadmissibility of a military junta (your post above)!

          А кто вам сказал, что сейчас у власти "гражданская диктатура"?
          Many in the government and the Duma (not only the president) come from the KGB, FSB, army, etc.
          Our deputies acted especially exotic - they themselves assigned military ranks (and by no means lieutenant ones).

          And I'm not against Shoigu. In general, I am not against anyone (civilian, military, or something else) - but if only he was sane, he loved his country and his people, and most importantly, he didn’t talk on this topic, but really did something.
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  • aleks3897
    aleks3897 1 June 2013 10: 07 New
    -6
    Western liberalism, freedom of speech and democracy in all its glory!
    1. Gari
      Gari 1 June 2013 10: 23 New
      +4
      And it was possible without this vulgarity dear
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger 1 June 2013 11: 34 New
      +4
      I’ll advise you to leave just a link to IT another time negative
      ) preferably with a description proposed for viewing)
      For example, children sometimes look over my shoulder. I do not want them to leave a great opinion about the site. . .
      1. marsavin.yu
        marsavin.yu 2 June 2013 10: 34 New
        +1
        But it’s not bad that children are trying to live by your interests. And you can explain the unpleasant moments yourself (if the children are of an acceptable age) without waiting for information to get through the liberals.
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 2 June 2013 11: 11 New
          0
          Well of course I agree with you! Children (boys) are so far simply interested in pictures of military equipment and weapons, their description. Articles on the site do not attract them yet. Yes, and they are difficult to understand. Till.
          Мы же с вами сами говорим, что "когда подобной мерзости становиться слишком много, и она ВЕЗДЕ, природный иммунитет начинает как-бы подавляться, мозг воспринимает это как норму" и слова родителей входят в противоречии с виденным детьми. Поэтому всему своё время и МЕСТО. Ну вы поняли, уверен . . . yes hi

          In general, the word "п.и.д.а.р.а.с" у нас в семье не считается нецензурным, а используется как оскорбительное и осуждающее по отношению ко всяким, "увлекающимся нетрадиционн. . ."
          Ugh, beat, I do not want to continue. . .
    3. yurta2013
      yurta2013 2 June 2013 17: 46 New
      0
      There is nothing to do with democracy. But to introduce a certain framework for liberalism and, in particular, for freedom of speech today is possible and necessary. In his own interests. Liberalism cannot be limitless, otherwise it turns into absurdity.
  • Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 1 June 2013 10: 08 New
    0
    Студенческий театр 60-х годов. Выходит "комсомолец" (по роли). Вопрошает, - А что я могу сделать один? С другого конца сцены выходит другой, - А что я могу сделать один? Через некоторое время на сцене целая группа, вразнобой повторяя тот же вопрос. Постепенно синхронность голосов и ритм выравниваются. На сцене уже отряд, в походной колонне, марширует в едином ритме..., с вопросом, - А ЧТО Я МОГУ СДЕЛАТЬ ОДИН?
    The eternal question in Russia. What to do?
  • aleks3897
    aleks3897 1 June 2013 10: 11 New
    14
    And the family is conservative, wrong and obsolete in the opinion of the West values ​​that oppress freedom of speech and democracy.
    Say NO to Gay-Western democracy and Western liberalism!
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    2. Gari
      Gari 1 June 2013 10: 31 New
      +9
      Quote: aleks3897
      And the family is conservative, wrong and obsolete in the opinion of the West values ​​that oppress freedom of speech and democracy.
      Say NO to Gay-Western democracy and Western liberalism!

      No no no!!!
      Cool photo, but it’s even better.
      1. Gari
        Gari 1 June 2013 10: 49 New
        0
        In general, the holiday today is June 1 - International Children's Day (Children's Day).
        Happy all children
        grow up healthy and happy !!!
        1. Gari
          Gari 1 June 2013 11: 14 New
          +3
          Here it is happiness
        2. Rustiger
          Rustiger 1 June 2013 11: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: Gari
          In general, the holiday today is June 1 - International Children's Day

          Yo-mine. . . Thank you reminded !!!
          Я совсем запарился с завалом забот. А ведь обещал старшему новый спининг, а младшему вертолёт на управлении, но они-то не забывают. Если не куплю, вечером обязательно "предъявят к оплате".

          How coincided:
          1. Вчера "юбилей" знакомства с женой.
          2. Children's Day (from) laughing .
          3. Holiday at the KSF.
          It is a sin not to note them all at once. . . drinks
          1. Gari
            Gari 1 June 2013 14: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Rustiger
            Yo-mine. . . Thank you reminded !!!


            Please

            Quote: Rustiger
            How coincided:
            1. Вчера "юбилей" знакомства с женой.
            2. Children's Day.
            3. Holiday at the KSF.
            It is a sin not to note them all at once. . .


            It’s a sin not to mention a pleasant evening
      2. Alexey K.
        Alexey K. 2 June 2013 02: 05 New
        +2
        There are a lot of good people in Russia.

        THE FATHER BROUGHT 120 CHILDREN
        In the Perm region, the priest raised 120 children
        Boris’s father has six relatives, for another 21 he’s a guardian, but he’s not used to dividing him into his own and others. So she is engaged with everyone together in the shelter at St. Lazarevsky Monastery. Moreover, the educational institution has now become a model for the entire district.

        Our correspondent Alexei Zbarsky visited a large family:

        The guys running out on a general gathering signal are not at all a detachment of one of the many recreation camps that are scattered throughout the Perm Territory. These are children of one family. And although some still have different surnames, one of their father is Father Boris.

        These are only those children who returned from school after the first shift. Boris’s father has six of his own, another 21 adopted children, and a total of 37 people found a roof over his head and warmth in his shelter.

        Boris Kitsko, priest, head of the orphanage: “When we started, when there was no identical spoon, fork. You go into the bedroom where the boys sleep - the beds are all different, who gave what ... "

        Boris’s father’s shelter has its own zoo. Cows and goats, habitual in each farmyard, are rabbits next to camels, yaks, peacocks, arctic foxes and ferrets. Each teenager takes care of several animals.

        Dima Tetyuev at the shelter for two years. There is no father, the mother who made him beg was deprived of parental rights. Out of years, a serious and strong-willed teenager was entrusted with caring for capricious camels.

        Dima Tetyuev, pupil of the shelter: “When you drive them in, Bai rushes at the person. He does not like, but the Countess with a modest character, comes home. The door itself opens. ”

        Since 1995, since the shelter arose, 120 people passed through it. New pupils constantly come here - some are thrown up while they are still breast-fed infants, some are brought by the hand of their mother. Father Boris admits - because of bouts of despair, sometimes hands are dropped.

        Boris Kitsko, priest, head of the orphanage: “It happens that you get so tired, think about it, probably give it away. But when you think about sitting, you’ll give it back, but what awaits him? In life, nothing happens just like that. If a child came to us, then this is what the Lord arranged. And if I refuse now? But the Lord sent, but I refused ... "

        At first, the public accepted the idea of ​​an Orthodox shelter with caution - many believed that children would be turned into monks without exception. However, during all this time, most of the graduates have remained to live in peace. And they continue to consider themselves children of Boris’s father.
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 2 June 2013 11: 16 New
          +1
          Нечего "комментировать". Куча "+" Вам!
  • NKVD
    NKVD 1 June 2013 10: 41 New
    +5
    Fedor Tyutchev, poet
    Wasted work!

    No, you can’t understand them:
    The more liberal, the vulgar;
    Civilization is a fetish for them,
    But their idea is not available to them.

    As before her, do not bend, gentlemen,
    You do not get recognition from Europe:
    In her eyes you will always be


    They are not servants of enlightenment, but servants.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 June 2013 11: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: pahom54
    The constitutional monarchy will not allow the presumptuous prime minister to execute on Red Square, so, obviously, we will talk about the absolute.
    Even if the monarch is g ..., but this is his g ... and not some kind of pseudo supposedly chosen by the people and who is the same g ...

    The monarchy is clearly not enough for us wassat and also hordes of Mongol-Chinese with swords to break up into principalities ... hehe again Kulikovo battle Swedes Poles Napoleons Entente Hitlers and liberals ... bully
  • runway
    runway 1 June 2013 11: 19 New
    +1
    Search for enemies - get to the last line. Хуже того, когда дураку по - жизни дают право развешивать ярлыки - этот центрист, а этот левый.... Всё это уже было. Не случайно некоторые комментируют идеологов фашизма (это на патриотическом-то сайте!). "К месту цитата", говорят они. С этого всё и начиналось. С цитатников, с факельных шествий, с погромов.... Внутренне они уже готовы убивать, сегодня либералов, завтра всех.
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 1 June 2013 12: 07 New
      0
      Quote: piston
      Search for enemies - get to the last line. Хуже того, когда дураку по - жизни дают право развешивать ярлыки - этот центрист, а этот левый.... Всё это уже было. Не случайно некоторые комментируют идеологов фашизма (это на патриотическом-то сайте!). "К месту цитата", говорят они. С этого всё и начиналось. С цитатников, с факельных шествий, с погромов.... Внутренне они уже готовы убивать, сегодня либералов, завтра всех.

      Yes, in Germany, too, everything seemed to start beautifully, but everything ended as always.
  • Svyatoslav72
    Svyatoslav72 1 June 2013 11: 53 New
    +5
    It has always touched me how some people are looking for simple answers to simple questions. It was always annoying how some reality is replaced by illusion, creating a non-existent world with nonexistent rules.
    AND! let's not give. Let's do it wisely and logically:
    1. Religion will destroy the Russian Federation. Religion can only be State, but: not Christian; not catholic; not Muslim and not sectarian. They are all (Religions) for their Power, for their Rules and for their Position, for their Law and for their Benefits.
    2. Вера может быть только Национальная(но не Россиянская, на "этих граблях" развалилась не одна империя и любое другое искусственное образование). Вера в свой народ, в своё "жизненное пространство", в свою мораль, в свою этику, в свою силу физическую духовную и интеллектуальную. Это даст Справедливость и Законность, последовательность в развитии и самосохранение/безопасность.
    3. Ведущая роль и "становой хребет" Государства может быть только один(Выбирайте какой? Русский Кавказский Азиатский). Движущая сила Национального движения может быть только - Одна(многопартийность - это политическая шизофрения, выгодна Масонам и Олигархам). Едино-управление даёт концентрацию и мобильность, адекватность к существующим угрозам и вызовам времени. По сути, Партия у нас одна - Народная, но её нет.
    4. Capitalism - abolishes Statehood, and does not accept National priorities (Profit - above all else). The monarchy is an obsolete form of government, relying on the Feudal lords and religion (not at all by this time). Any National form of government is based on socialism, which guarantees stability and consistency and efficiency (in the USSR, socialism was not built, and most likely did not gather, there the Monarchy and Religion were replaced by the Party Monarchy, which slammed everything).
    5. Globalization Multi-confessionalism Market relations Multi-ethnicity Capitalism WTO cooperation and similar nonsense are not the Ideology of National Independence, all these are Political methods for assimilation and increase of destabilization in order to weaken and gain control over new territories / markets / resources.
    Вывод: Темы, по типу:- Как нам всем ничего не делать и жить дружно? Не жизнеспособны, и опасны, ни к чему не приведут. А! поиск методов и решений по Государственности и Национальности может легко упереться в УК.РФ. или Мировое обвинение в Фашизме и Нацизме. "Каждому - Своё".
    1. optimist
      optimist 1 June 2013 12: 07 New
      +8
      Очень толково всё изложили. От себя добавлю: статейка,-очередной клон анекдота про Зоркого Сокола, который только на четвёртый месяц увидел, что четвёртой стены нет. После 25 лет "дикого капитализма" спохватились. Путинская "стабильность" стремительно подходит к логическому концу и власть ищет внешних врагов: США, либералов, террористов, экстремистов и прочих онанистов... И смешно говорить о борьбе с либералами, когда они составляют основу российского правительства. Так и будем искать виноватых, пока у "атамана" окончательно не иссякнет "золотой запас". А там опять сценарий 1917-1922г.г....
    2. marsavin.yu
      marsavin.yu 2 June 2013 10: 26 New
      +1
      Со всеми пунктами согласен! "Элита" наша никак только к этому пониманию не придёт, видимо "золотой телец" к сердцу ближе.
  • lexe
    lexe 1 June 2013 12: 12 New
    -1
    Liberalism today is an enemy with many faces. He is fluent in the method of reincarnation. Capitalism, communism, fascism, the monarchy are forms of manipulating the masses. Gorbachev has come out of communism. We want Gorbi again? You know the stock market has the concept of bulls and bears, they’re enemies at work, but after a cup of coffee friends. And the next day they change the roles of the players in one word.
    For the equality of nations, forget-to quarrel them in a brotherly family is simple (if we want USSR-communism). Everything needs to be done to strengthen the Russian people because it is the core. And there will be the core allies in the person of all our peoples. The Russian people are essentially not bloodthirsty and everyone knows this and they will believe us again. What form of government is needed for this? - a monarchy with a strong government and the Russian Empire, but taking into account the mistakes of 1917 and 1991. It is ridiculous that the liberals asked (elections \ voting \ discussion) any feasibility Remember the vote in the USSR? And it would be necessary to fulfill the desire of peoples, albeit with a temporary delay. And repaint (not blood) the country into the Russian Empire. I would like so. This is my opinion.
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 1 June 2013 23: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Lexi
      Liberalism today is an enemy with many faces. He is fluent in the method of reincarnation. Capitalism, communism, fascism, the monarchy are forms of manipulation of the masses. Gorbachev left communism. Do we want Gorbi again? ... This is my view.
      Look, I must say, unclear -
      Quote: Lexi
      What form of power is needed for this? - a monarchy with a strong government and the Russian Empire, but taking into account the mistakes of 1917 and 1991.

      значит такая монархия не "форма манипулирования массами" будет, с чего это вдруг? Да, и "коммунист" и "член КПСС" это не одно и то же, пора бы уже уяснить. Разницу между "праведником" и "проповедником" понимаете. Так тут то же самое, а Горбачёв коммунистом никогда не был, даже будучи Генсеком.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 1 June 2013 12: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: optimist
    . And it’s funny to talk about the fight against liberals when they form the basis of the Russian government.

    It's nice that there are people on the site who understand where the hands of the very liberalism are growing from. And how can we deal with it if the majority voted for our savior of the fatherland, which actually indulges the spread of the notorious liberalism?
    1. optimist
      optimist 1 June 2013 13: 00 New
      0
      Ну не зря же нашу страну называют Страной Дураков. "Лапша" про "доброго царя" и "плохих бояр" уже 1000 лет прокатывает! laughing
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 1 June 2013 13: 04 New
        +3
        Как это "дураки" создали самую большую страну в мире?
        1. optimist
          optimist 1 June 2013 20: 58 New
          +1
          Вы лучше задайтесь вопросом как "умники" её просрали в 91-м и успешно продолжают это делать?
        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 1 June 2013 23: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Nitup
          Как это "дураки" создали самую большую страну в мире?

          Неправильный вывод. Дураки это одна из трёх наших бед. Проблемы (недостатки) надо иметь мужество признавать. Да, третья беда в том, что дураков сейчас слишком много - "это наш главный и неисчерпаемый ресурс" для всех без исключения структур.
  • My address
    My address 1 June 2013 13: 06 New
    +1
    Attack is the best defense.
    Опечатка, именно опечатка, в отсутствии кавычек в "Либералах" в названии статьи. Не согласен в пиетете к России до 17-го года и к религии. Так все неплохо. Как понимаю, либералы в кавычках это либерасты без кавычек?
  • lexe
    lexe 1 June 2013 14: 10 New
    0
    If Russia comes to consolidation, everyone will trample against us: capitalist-liberal and fascist from religious to national and monarchy and a country with a left ideology. Brotherly Orthodox Bulgaria even opposed us in World War I (skillfully pitted them with Serbia). Isn't that indirect evidence of the flexibility of the liberal idea? When do liberals need to unite the inseparable against us. And what shield is better against this? But we have the richest history of wars with different rabble in the Russian Empire. There is experience. We can no longer ignite the left-communist idea of ​​our allies. . But there is a chance for a national monarchist and with a high level of education (thanks to the USSR).
  • Russ69
    Russ69 1 June 2013 14: 41 New
    +1
    Our liberals often talk about a possible lustration of how they come to power. I think it's time to apply this law on lustration now, but against them.
    And it turns out nicely, in the West he works against the Communists, and why not work for us, but with a different sign? smile
  • dropout
    dropout 1 June 2013 15: 14 New
    +1
    No unrealistic dreams
    No beautiful utopias.
    We old solve the issue:
    Who are we in this old Europe?

    V. Bryusov
  • 12345666
    12345666 1 June 2013 16: 29 New
    +1
    First post))

    Quote: krasin
    Yes, it will be difficult to determine the general national idea.


    The idea is as simple as 3 kopecks - justice.
    He worked honestly all his life, raised children - get a happy old age.
    Honestly earned a billion)) (well, you never know) - God help you - work further for Russia
    He suffered in the war - be calm - the family will help and you will not be forgotten
    Stole, killed - your house is a prison, etc.
    If so, then no liberalism is terrible, and here it is

    "ЦЕЛЬ РОССИЙСКОГО ПАТРИОТА – уничтожение власти «либералов». Возрождение общества. Укрепление семьи, морали и нравственности. Опережающий технический и интеллектуальный прогресс общества. Увеличение народонаселения страны. Обеспечение возможности для наших детей и внуков жить свободно и нравственно. "

    All will be))
  • washi
    washi 1 June 2013 16: 38 New
    +1
    We have no illusions about socialism, but the memory of the nation-wide idea of ​​building a just society to all the inhabitants of the planet causes nostalgia for “strenuous” times.
    Do you mean the perversion that arose due to Khrushchev?
    Under Stalin, the principle worked: from each according to his ability - to each according to his merit
    After him, another began to work: from each at will - to each - obligation.
    The principle of socialism (according to K. Marx: from each according to his ability - to each according to his work)
    The distortion of the principles of socialism do not deny socialism itself
    1. 12345666
      12345666 1 June 2013 17: 30 New
      -1
      2 Vasya - Do you mean the perversion that has arisen thanks to Khrushchev? - no
      I mean that every citizen must I am sure that if he goes the right way it will be rewarded, if not, it will be punished (the principle of carrots and sticks without Stalin, Khrushchev, and K. Marx)))
      It seems to me that this is currently not the case. In the meantime, no - it makes no sense to talk about

      " Возрождение общества. Укрепление семьи, морали и нравственности. Опережающий технический и интеллектуальный прогресс общества. Увеличение народонаселения страны. Обеспечение возможности для наших детей и внуков жить свободно и нравственно.",

      because money for the revival of society and those progress will be sawn)), a disabled war veteran or a poor teacher will not give birth to children, and opportunities for our children and grandchildren to live freely and morally, obtained by the blood of the Second World War, while children and grandchildren will prosrut (crossed out) will be exchanged for jeans and chewing gum
  • ded10041948
    ded10041948 1 June 2013 17: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: sergey32
    ... В юридическом отношении принципами либерализма являются верховенство закона над волей правителей и равенство всех граждан перед законом вне зависимости от их богатства, положения и влияния...


    Try to explain this postulate to our pseudo-liberals. They recognize liberalism only in relation to their loved ones.
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 2 June 2013 00: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: ded10041948
      Try to explain this postulate to our pseudo-liberals. They recognize liberalism only in relation to their loved ones.
      А не надо им объяснять, они "ЗА!" двумя руками будут. Вы же всё поняли и написали во втором предложении. Древний принцип - "поубивай врагов своих и прими закон, что убийство карается смертью". Законы-то пишутся кем? У нас эти законы есть зонтик для коррупции. Да, и вспомним - "закон, что дышло, куда повернул, туда и вышло" и при этом все по закону. И ещё, "президент и правительство это не власть - это ширма власти, власть это то, что не подлежит ротации".
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 1 June 2013 17: 55 New
    +5
    Liberalism is the freedom to make decisions and enforce them within the framework of a law that suits most citizens of the state, with full personal responsibility for their decisions and actions.

    Democracy is the process of fulfilling the will (order) of the majority of citizens of the state by the citizens themselves and (or) their representatives, taking into account the possibilities of natural, economic and social resources within the borders of the state.

    Можно долго играть словами, но суть понятий "либерализм" и "демократия" является такой, как указано выше.
    Socialism-communism, democracy and liberalism are inextricably linked - one cannot happen without the other.

    Now the essence of these definitions has been perverted: what is now called liberalism is more appropriate to call neo or ultra-liberalism.
    Neoliberalism is a fascist system with a division by property, where the law is not the same for everyone, where the opinion of minorities means more than the opinion of the majority, where society does not make an order, but chooses from what it is offered, imposed.
    The source and conductor of neoliberalism are the oligarchic groups of different countries integrated into each other, in essence the supranational oligarchy and its goals are quite obvious - the restoration of feudalism and slave system at a new level - this is all that goes for.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 1 June 2013 20: 07 New
      +2
      Yarosvet

      Totally agree with you.
      And there’s nothing to add!

      In the posts above, this has already been discussed - the substitution of concepts.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 1 June 2013 20: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: aviamed90
        In the posts above, this has already been discussed - the substitution of concepts.

        Yes, but to many, alas, it does not reach. Unfortunately, many people not only do not know how, but do not want to learn to think independently - it is easier for them to operate with cliches invented by someone, without any comprehension of the latter.
    2. Borat
      Borat 2 June 2013 08: 33 New
      +1
      It's nice to see a well-reasoned, reasoned post.
  • ajden
    ajden 1 June 2013 20: 08 New
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    Liberalism, I think +, is permissiveness (read licentiousness), and we (read the Slavs (and not only)) have always fought against this. We will continue to fight. I hope our rulers too.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 1 June 2013 20: 36 New
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    ajden

    Liberalism is freedom, in other words, a recognized need, and permissiveness with licentiousness - they are permissiveness with licentiousness.
    Moreover: permissiveness and licentiousness are inherent primarily in closed hierarchical and hereditary-hierarchical systems (for example, nomenclature, monarchist, etc.), and "our" rulers are now just building such a system.
    1. lexe
      lexe 1 June 2013 22: 17 New
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      Liberalism is now a utopia because technological progress does not catch up with it. Who is the liberal now? the one who can buy all the high-tech \ good is the true liberal and the rest? what should they do?
      So copy them as they can-beer \ TV \ comp-virtual reality.
      A closed society is an attempt to cut off unrealizable dreams among fellow citizens. So (if we are about a monarchy. Others do not want to discuss) closedness is a form of humanism ...
      And permissiveness and licentiousness is a full-fledged life, to live as a person himself wants, then all this is FREEDOM! True and not bluff
      Monarchy is humanism and freedom! But closed societies 100 years ago and now have 2 different concepts.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 1 June 2013 23: 31 New
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        Somehow you are all confused.

        In your opinion, freedom (liberalism) is a utopia due to lagging behind it (freedom) of technological progress? Then what, in your understanding, is freedom, and how does it relate to progress?

        Is he free who in the conditions of the economy of loan interest can afford more material wealth, that is, has more opportunities to indulge his own Wishlist? And where does the freedom?

        The supremacy (and de facto - dictate) of a closed system is actually a way to cut off fulfilled dreams, and this is done in conditions of limited resources in order not to cut down your own Wishlist.
        Any closed system not only has nothing to do with humanism - it always tends to degenerate rapidly. Creating to solve certain problems, any closed system very quickly slips to the solution of only one task - maintaining its own existence.

        Вседозволенность и распущенность к полноценной жизни имеют такое же отношение, как дезоморфин к здоровью. Любая свобода не является свободой от разума, не является свободой от чего либо - свободным от чего либо можно быть только ДЛЯ чего либо, а это самое "ДЛЯ" определяется исключительно разумом.

        The monarchy is an opportunity for one to dictate his Wishlist to everyone, regardless of the delusional nature of the latter. As for the temporal differences of closed systems, regardless of changes in their form, their essence never changes.
        1. lexe
          lexe 2 June 2013 16: 29 New
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          Is that your argument?
          And what are your dreams? - that’s the essence. In the USSR, they flew more airplanes \ more moved around the country \ more engaged in sports, is this not freedom?
          But isn’t there true freedom in your heart and soul when you don’t see homeless people \ sick old people \ dying peers from different dope \ street children \ do you have a headache in which pocket you have a wallet? This is a social environment that can liberate and can strain. ..
          In a tense social environment, dreams of only one thing — to survive and snatch — are a complete degeneration of the personality in the end. And whoever fulfilled these dreams is dream No. 2 above so they don’t get it. Hamsters with a wheel in a cage.
          I am a supporter of capitalism and loan interest. A loan is a lever and a stick with 2 ends. There was a loan for legal entities in the USSR as well.
          But how to combine sane social environment and capitalism?
          The monarchy is the answer. The monarch has a sacred meaning for a person - that there is a dad over everything. But you don’t need to give dad all the powers.) 1 person in power is too vulnerable. Liberalism is a temporary measure, most likely from not knowing the authorities how to develop further. But also under the graceful wrapper who? - Yes, we all consume resources.
          We need an old construction (monarchy), tested for centuries but in a new design.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 2 June 2013 20: 26 New
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            The point is not in dreams, but in real substantiated needs, in necessity. Compared to modern Russia, the USSR appears to be an icon of liberalism (freedom) and democracy (democracy).

            A social environment in which conscious necessity plays a dominant role cannot be stressed - Wishlist and uncertainty in the future, generated by loan interest and the capitalist model, strain.
            Credit in the USSR and modern Russia are completely different things.

            Капитализм(крупный капитал) и "вменяемую социальную среду" совместить невозможно, между ними можно лишь заключить хоть и продолжительное, но временное перемирие - у общества и капитала цели кардинально различаются.

            The monarchy is not the answer, and in the figure of the monarch there are no sacred meanings. The appearance of such meanings is created artificially, just as a sense of ideological-slogan pseudo-patriotism is artificially created when a person is inspired to believe that he should love and honor the object in fact. As a result, a person is deprived of his liberty and turns into cannon fodder, dying for free for the interests of a fattening Power.

            Существующий строй является новым либерализмом и к свободе не имеет никакого отношения. Не только Россия - весь мир откатывается в сторону феодализма, и происходит это не от "незнания властей", а совершенно целенаправленно. Вероятно, что в случае установления феодальных отношений, последние со временем сменятся милой Вашему сердцу монархией - вот только проблема в том, что любая монархия совершенно не соответствует Вашему представлению о ней.
            If this ongoing process is not stopped, then the result is completely predictable: if you already do not have at least a hundred lyam cabbage rubles, then your descendants will be slaves, if any.
            1. lexe
              lexe 2 June 2013 21: 13 New
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              It’s hard for you to understand, you do not care. Capitalism is a means and Monarchy is a form. And now capitalism is a form and a means at the same time. You are waiting for the slave system to come. NU-NU ...
              that’s what human brains are for progress. But the elite is also not averse to a trip to Mars and live longer, and without human brains that gush with ideas, this is not possible. Will the slaves help in progress? I think not. Read less fiction and think with your own head.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 3 June 2013 03: 27 New
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                It is difficult to understand - ask, I will answer.

                For all your love of the monarchy, you yourself are confused in terms: the monarchy is of course a form, or rather a kind of political system. Capitalism is also a form, but an economic system, a kind of distribution system of goods.
                We now actually have a monarchy, and not very constitutional, but not hereditary: the guarantor has powers in its scope and functionality similar to those of the monarch, but I do not think that you really like the current state of affairs in the country.

                I do not expect the arrival of the slave system, I just see where everything is going. Of course, this system will be outwardly different from the usual slavery under the whip, but in essence it will be precisely slavery.

                Human brains ... But the elite is also not averse ...

                In the world of 10 million dollar millionaires and billionaires combined - how much do you think they need personnel, starting with peasants and personal protection, and ending with doctors and scientists, for their comfortable life? A hundred for one maximum? Total - a billion. And if you take into account only those who have a fortune of 100 million or more?

                slaves help in progress?

                Do you personally greatly help the progress? No? And then what's the use of you? You only consume limited resources, and therefore you must either be destroyed or reduced to livestock - the logic here is simple.

                Look at what is happening in the world - do you think this is a natural process? )))
                1. lexe
                  lexe 5 June 2013 17: 19 New
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                  Yes, with a lot of what you write, I agree only the conclusions we have are different.
                  1. In the world of 10 million dollar millionaires and billionaires - Who are they? If the rude porters are overseers. They will simply not be needed when the goods are delivered to their destination. Previously (and now) any authority needed their services but with progress in t. h and in the social sphere of management they are ballast and dangerous (after all, they are overseers).
                  2. The nature of the appearance of genius (creator of progress) of man
                  not studied. Maybe any neighbor Baba Klava
                  covering in the morning and develops talent in the future genius? And what will happen if this Claudia is removed?))) and put the genius in a greenhouse environment? -yes nothing!
                  In other words, distorting the entire food chain will kill the whole chain, and geniuses will become mammoths.
                  3. I heard one clever idea. Geniuses only feel more subtle and are just ordinary predictors (see the future). And they see this future, they are looking at us at ordinary people!

                  So, in the end, our Earth will soon face the fate of Japan, overpopulated with the maximum possible variety of DNA types. Yes and 99.99% of them will be just Klava and Vani, and 0.01% are stupid predictors.
                  Sincerely.
  • OTAKE
    OTAKE 1 June 2013 20: 36 New
    +1
    FOOT! THE PHOTO IS THE SAME VOLVO EC360B IMHO A GREAT EXCAVATOR!
  • Vikmay16
    Vikmay16 1 June 2013 21: 33 New
    +1
    I agree! Patriotism is not enough!
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 1 June 2013 23: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Vikmay16
      Patriotism is not enough!

      We have a lot of patriotism, but the mind is not enough. As the liberals were put on their necks in the late 80s, so do we carry. We still have hope and hope that the Chief Liberal will finally make his subordinates work for the people's interests.
      1. OTAKE
        OTAKE 2 June 2013 07: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Karabin
        We have a lot of patriotism, but the mind is not enough. As the liberals were put on their necks in the late 80s, so do we carry. We still have hope and hope that the Chief Liberal will finally make his subordinates work for the people's interests.
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 2 June 2013 04: 34 New
    -1
    I’ll go to the question from the other side! I’ll try to voice an idea that didn’t even sound, or I read the comments inattentively. what great feats were accomplished by the Soviet people, the pride for which we feel and honor until now is a victory in the Second World War and the FIRST citizen of the Earth will fly into space !!! we need an idea! need a breakthrough! need shtob people again believed and proud of the country WE NEED THE FIRST STEP ON MARS !!! to take this first important step in space exploration not for the sake of making money for the sake of the idea itself! after all, for 20 years we have not understood what we are doing! crush everyone! make fat cats participate in all this! we can be the first again in something very grandiose! in a peculiar design of the century! wishing to keep up with us, the WHOLE PLANET which can be chased after us in the Martian race will finally go off the rails of the eternal war. Giant funds are spent on weapons all over the world. Well, why should they let go to the peaceful exploration of outer space, you need to give an example to the world to take the first step to push everyone in a space race, so to speak, we can still allow ourselves this to have hurt since the days of the USSR. I personally am ready to work for a bowl of soup for the sake of such an idea and it will be enough for me that I will know that in May the country is the first and best country in the world !!
    here such a utopian-romantic-stupid idea visited me
  • ddmm09
    ddmm09 2 June 2013 06: 14 New
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    Quote: Karabin
    Quote: Vikmay16
    Patriotism is not enough!

    We have a lot of patriotism, but the mind is not enough. As the liberals were put on their necks in the late 80s, so do we carry. We still have hope and hope that the Chief Liberal will finally make his subordinates work for the people's interests.

    I want to disagree, we have more than enough intelligence! We should have less traitors in the leadership, as they reach the heights of power, they immediately begin to consider themselves tsar-barins, in the best case, harming their inaction.
  • ddmm09
    ddmm09 2 June 2013 06: 15 New
    -1
    Quote: Karabin
    Quote: Vikmay16
    Patriotism is not enough!

    We have a lot of patriotism, but the mind is not enough. As the liberals were put on their necks in the late 80s, so do we carry. We still have hope and hope that the Chief Liberal will finally make his subordinates work for the people's interests.

    I want to disagree, we have more than enough intelligence! We should have less traitors in the leadership, as they reach the heights of power, they immediately begin to consider themselves tsar-barins, in the best case, harming their inaction.