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Estonia wanted to get a piece of Russia

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Recently, we have been quite actively discussing the topic of territorial and water disputes between Russia and such states as Japan and Norway. Although by and large disputes this situation is difficult to call. Rather, it is the desire of our partners to “chop off” from the Russian Federation impressive pieces of land and sea, which are rich in various resources. And if Norway has already managed to rejoice at the Russian present in the form of dividing the once controversial part of the Barents Sea water area along the middle line, and not along the meridians (as the USSR insisted in its time), Japan continues to look for ways and means to get the cherished tidbit in the form of the four islands of the Kuril archipelago.


Against this background, the desire to grab your chunk was also manifested among some of our neighbors, Estonia. A number of foreign news agencies, including Estonian, literally recently broke out with publications on the subject of the fact that territorial disputes between Russia and Estonia can be dealt with solely in favor of Estonia ... According to BNS, the demarcation of disputed territories will occur in such a way that The Russian side will receive 125,5 ha, and the Estonian - 127,5 ha. And these figures were exposed only to the victory of small Estonia over huge Russia - Estonia, which allegedly was able to snatch from Russia whole 2 “extra” hectares. Such information managed to delight the Estonian right and those who sympathize with them. And in Russia, these "concessions" also made a lot of noise, because if you believe this news agency, then official Moscow again lost more than received displaced territories.

However, almost immediately, the data on the “extra” two hectares, inherited by the Estonian side after the border division of the territory, was refuted by the Estonian Foreign Ministry. A statement was made by the spokesperson of the Estonian Foreign Ministry, Ms. Lind, who said that the Russian and Estonian territories would remain as they were before the signing of the new treaty.

And a new treaty with Russia on the final legally verified state border in Estonia is entrusted to be signed by Minister of Foreign Affairs Urmas Paet, after which this treaty is waiting for bilateral parliamentary ratification.

It would seem that the incident was settled. All remained with him, and you should not pay attention to publications of the foreign press about a new territorial gift from Russia. But, as they say, having burnt on milk, one has to blow on the water, especially since the words of Foreign Minister Urmas Paet somewhat diverged from the words of his press secretary. Paet, in particular, said that an interdepartmental agreement is only the beginning. After that, as it turned out from Paet’s words, a certain special commission will be created, which “step by step” will determine the passage of the state border between the two countries.
If we analyze the words of the Estonian Minister of Foreign Affairs, it turns out that today the countries still do not understand where the territorial division between them takes place. And if there is no understanding, then what is the price of this “new” contract? Would it not be that the demarcation special commission after the signing and ratification of the treaty will vilot the laid border line for a couple of kilometers towards ...

Touching on the topic of the current territorial dispute between Russia and Estonia, it is necessary to focus on the fact that this dispute manifested itself not yesterday or even the day before yesterday. 2013 marks the 21 year since the moment when the Estonian authorities began to insist that, when territorially divided, Russia took into account the 1920 model of the year concluded between Soviet Russia and Finland by the Tartu peace treaty. According to this agreement, in Estonia, a certain part of the Pechora district of the Pskov region can become part of the Republic of Estonia. We are talking about the so-called “Saatsetsky boot” - the Russian territory of the Pskov region, along which the Varska-Saatse road passes. Her Estonians consider their ... Estonian authorities have begun to express their concern that for citizens of this Baltic country to get from one part of Estonia to another they have to “wander” into the territory of Russia. They say that this is extremely inconvenient, and therefore it would be great if Moscow would give Tallinn the “Saatsesky boot” from its highway.

Estonia wanted to get a piece of Russia


An interesting option, is not it ... Well, in this case, the Estonians would have to talk with their Baltic brothers Lithuanians. Why? Yes, at least, because hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens get from the "mainland" to the Kaliningrad region and back, too, to put it mildly, uncomfortable ... We have to overcome the territory of independent Lithuania, rushing by trains and cars that people (machinists, drivers) drive once again press the brake so as not to be accused of attempting to seize the Lithuanian state ... So maybe the Lithuanians of Russia will give a section of railways and roads up to the border with the Kaliningrad region - we need a precedent from the station Ana "victory of democracy" ...

By the way, Russia, inclined towards convenience to the Estonian authorities, has already once made a peculiar gift concerning the Saasetsky boot itself. It lies in the fact that people who want to proceed through the territory of Russia from Värsk to Saatse and back along the highway, which Estonians call their own, are not subject to border control rules. The only prohibition is a ban on stopping ... Apparently, breathless Estonians, who are forced from one point of the country to another through Russian territory without stopping, and initiated new conversations about the border redistribution.
In 2005, Lavrov and Paet have already met and discussed this issue. Then it was written in the contract that part of the “Saasetsky boot” was relegated to Estonia, and in exchange for this, Tallinn gives Moscow a forest plot in Meremäe and a plot of land under Värska. But the problem could not be resolved, because the lands promised by the Estonian authorities of Russia behind the Värska-Saatse highway were in private hands, and then the official Tallinn did not decide what to do with the local Estonian residents, who actually gave them along with the land of Russia . And now, apparently, the decision is made. According to some information, they decided to buy out land from Estonian peasants, let's say, “at a speculative price”.

It is noteworthy that in Estonia this territorial issue is discussed much more acutely than in Russia. It seems that the position of the Russian Federation on this issue is too soft. And, as you know, the manifestation of softness in a territorial dispute usually goes sideways, because after the highway on the Saasetsky boot, Tallinn may well recall other “own” lands that today belong to Russia. So, the exchange of territories is an interesting thing, but after all such exchanges with the nose, it would be impossible for us to remain, giving food for the great joy to the very Estonian ultra-right ...
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 07: 42 New
    30
    Some kind of nonsense with these borders and the Baltic states. What is the border. One hell and Estonia and the rest will be part of the Russian Federation. We will not lose anything IMHO.
    1. Denis
      Denis 30 May 2013 07: 46 New
      11
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      We will not lose anything
      So it’s like that, only it’s interesting that it’s GDP, only without cuts, it will answer
      And how did they get it in NATO with territorial claims?
      1. smile
        smile 30 May 2013 14: 51 New
        10
        Denis
        They took to nature because it was necessary, if necessary, they easily violate their own and other people's laws with extraordinary ease.
        Pu will answer with a sacramental phrase-about a donkey and his ears ..
        By the way, what the hell ?! Why is it impossible for us, Kaliningraders, without visas through Lithuania, and we, kindhearted ones, did we allow the Entim? ... Now, the Abanamat, I didn’t know ... And why in this case we do not pose a similar question to Lithuania. if there is a precedent with Estonia? ... My dissatisfaction is strong, strong !!!
        1. old man54
          old man54 3 June 2013 00: 35 New
          0
          therefore, it was necessary to raise this question right away, back in the 1990 year, when they settled the Baltic states of the branch, but neither the humpback nor the Ural drunks took care of this .. But then they would have agreed very much and would have signed. And now fashionable! :))
      2. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 30 May 2013 17: 58 New
        +2
        It’s a pity that this “strange white-eyed” woman, who doesn’t want to admit to herself that the people of the European Union took these not for their proud Aryan profile and great labor achievements, but to Russia's peak, as potential bridgeheads for attacking her. In fact, kamikaze monkeys who will carry chestnuts for s, in which case ..., and even on an empty stomach (!).
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 30 May 2013 08: 04 New
      14
      The Baltic states have become frosty.
      1. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx 30 May 2013 09: 45 New
        11
        Quote: Deniska999
        The Baltic states have become frosty.

        In-in. Fuck this exchange - let them run as they run, just add customs to them.
        1. builder
          builder 30 May 2013 20: 01 New
          +1
          Estonians ... running ... this is unlikely. wink
      2. RUSSIA 2013
        RUSSIA 2013 30 May 2013 10: 02 New
        25
        Yes, they would have gone further, Hitler’s sixes, they should be billed for the fact that as part of the USSR we raised their economy, we built factories and factories.
        1. smershspy
          smershspy 30 May 2013 11: 34 New
          13
          I agree! Let them only poke around - they will receive according to their Estonian pestilence!
          1. anderrr
            anderrr 30 May 2013 17: 40 New
            +4
            the balances will be received
          2. albanech
            albanech 6 June 2013 09: 28 New
            +1
            One cannot but agree!
      3. Rink
        Rink 30 May 2013 13: 33 New
        +4
        Many who wanted to grab a piece of Russian land.
        Yes, only more than a meter for two for each person personally did not succeed ...
        Does Estonia want to try it too?
        Welcome.
        1. Denis
          Denis 30 May 2013 18: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: Skating rink
          Does Estonia want to try it too?
          Welcome
          Peipsi Lake is nearby, the diving season is open!
          Already since 1242
    3. vilenich
      vilenich 30 May 2013 08: 18 New
      11
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Some kind of nonsense with these borders and the Baltic states. What is the border. One hell and Estonia and the rest will be part of the Russian Federation. We will not lose anything IMHO.

      I fully support! In the meantime, this has not occurred and there will soon be no one to live in Estonia itself, everyone will scatter all about to hobble to Europe.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 30 May 2013 09: 11 New
        11
        "They say, this is extremely inconvenient, and therefore it would be great if Moscow gave Tallinn the Saatse boot from its highway."

        What other "Saatse boot" are they? Only white slippers can fit.
        1. Vrungel78
          Vrungel78 30 May 2013 11: 33 New
          +1
          A better boot on a causal place
    4. Seraph
      Seraph 30 May 2013 09: 57 New
      +6
      They will settle all the formalities and nuances a couple of weeks before the troops are brought into Chukhnia - I’ve touched on the future: as PMS happens again, everything will be ready
      And it's not funny at all: Russia has to be distracted by croaking from the Baltic swamp. These new Europeans are creating "noise" for the Russian Foreign Ministry
    5. Egoza
      Egoza 30 May 2013 10: 20 New
      14
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      one hell and Estonia and the rest will be part of the Russian Federation. We will not lose anything

      Are they needed as part of the Russian Federation? Forever with a knife in your bosom? Maybe some territory, but without some? wink You know, the tsunami is there, an unexpected tide of the sea ... repeat (they’ll only warn their own in advance, the rest will not understand. They already do not remember the Russian language there) fellow
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 30 May 2013 12: 19 New
        +2
        Yes, and the processor in my head will think for a long time
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 30 May 2013 13: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Are they needed as part of the Russian Federation? Forever with a knife in your bosom?

        Now, neither history nor the Bible teaches us anything. A betrayer will betray more than once. But in general, from a dead donkey their ears.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 13: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Maybe somehow the territory, but without some?

        Elena, some of them will run away, afraid to be on Magadan.
      4. smile
        smile 30 May 2013 14: 58 New
        +2
        Egoza
        Hello! There will be no knife — they will sit quietly, like mice — they are already far from the ones in the 40s ... they chopped. You can’t imagine how cowardly they became, once a boot in the ass and will be in line with songs going to May Day demonstrations ... with a proper gleam in their eyes ... and they already ate European values ​​before vomiting ...
        A tsunami is not necessary .. my mother lives there ....
        1. old man54
          old man54 3 June 2013 00: 39 New
          0
          you’ll take your mom out, and then immediately the tsunami !!!!!!!!!! :)
      5. Lankov Victor
        Lankov Victor 30 May 2013 15: 27 New
        +1
        Dear Fidget, there is no need for such bloodthirstiness. In the temporarily occupied Baltic territories of the Russian Federation, the local population scatter around the geyrop at such a speed that after a while no one will remain there.
      6. jumpmaster
        jumpmaster 30 May 2013 21: 10 New
        0
        But don’t worry, now half of Estonia is in Finland and Sweden with Norway, and they’re not going to return, so you have to wait a bit with the territory.
      7. Vladimir_61
        Vladimir_61 31 May 2013 00: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Are they needed as part of the Russian Federation?

        Will be forced. Otherwise they will disappear. Bitter lessons are good because they open their eyes.
    6. vyatom
      vyatom 30 May 2013 12: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Some kind of nonsense with these borders and the Baltic states. What is the border. One hell and Estonia and the rest will be part of the Russian Federation. We will not lose anything IMHO

      It is high time to press the labi to the nail.
    7. Ribwort
      Ribwort 30 May 2013 13: 04 New
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Estonia and the rest will be part of the Russian Federation.

      As far as I remember, Estonia, Livonia, Courland and others became part of the Russian Empire under Peter 1. Moreover, these territories were not just conquered, but also bought from Karl (I don’t remember which Karlov is in Europe) for that kind of money that translate them into a modern analogue, all of Europe without pants will remain, literally. So do not worry, gentlemen of the Baltic countries, about the borders. Better calculate how much you owe us for renting land and what will you pay for?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 13: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Ribwort
        Better calculate how much you owe us for renting land and what will you pay for?

        They will cut down the forest and work 16 hours a day for the benefit of Russia. And who refuses ..... bang-bang, my Estonian dies winked
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 30 May 2013 13: 58 New
          +3
          By the way, recently I heard that if the number of Russian population in Estonia increases something by about 10t. man, then we already have the right, on the basis of international laws, to send our troops to Estonia to protect our citizens from unlawful violation of their rights and freedoms .. So after receiving a piece, they can lose everything they have ..
          1. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 31 May 2013 00: 14 New
            0
            in that piece of land that they beg there is no violence there is a forest and a current road of 2 km, but the Moldovan laurels were confused and demanded from them a lot more lamot in the Vyarsk area for these 2 km so that they would think wink but just do it for me tyk better than these 2 km of road connecting sisters and Vyaska make paid for Estonians laughing dislike stomping around them as we are with us and we are with them !!!
      2. smile
        smile 30 May 2013 15: 03 New
        +3
        Ribwort
        These lands were conquered and ransomed from Sweden and Poland for about a century. I highly recommend Shirokorad's book "The Baltic Landmine of Peter the Great" - the history of relations between Russia and Poland, the Baltic States and Finland up to the present day is described in sufficient detail.
      3. ded10041948
        ded10041948 30 May 2013 18: 21 New
        0
        Unless only in kind! They don’t have a damn, but for now the Baltic Sea is throwing the right amount of amber ...
  2. avant-garde
    avant-garde 30 May 2013 07: 44 New
    24
    This is Estonia, Japan, as well as everyone, everyone, everyone who wants to grab a piece from Russia!
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 May 2013 00: 06 New
      +1
      China has waited, Norway, too, look at Vova’s mood and the Estonians will wait ........ The Russian soul is generous with gifts, especially if not out of pocket ...
  3. Vanek
    Vanek 30 May 2013 07: 53 New
    +8
    Estonia, which allegedly was able to grab from Russia as much as 2 "extra" hectares

    Quickly, but fanily.
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  5. omsbon
    omsbon 30 May 2013 07: 54 New
    10
    Remember "The Golden Calf", Polykhaev's stamps "I will not give beds or washbasins."
    In general, it is time for Russia to make stamps for answers to those wishing to get a piece of Russia "Fuck you !."
  6. mushtuc
    mushtuc 30 May 2013 07: 58 New
    +9
    In no case should I give any land to anyone.
    1. afire
      afire 30 May 2013 09: 37 New
      +9
      the bear ordered without our cries and the Norse drove the sickly Kusman, the huckster damn
      1. vyatom
        vyatom 30 May 2013 12: 21 New
        +6
        Quote: afire
        the bear ordered without our cries and the Norse drove the sickly Kusman, the huckster damn

        Yes, he probably didn’t even understand what he had done. He waved the document without looking up from the iPhone.
    2. botur
      botur 30 May 2013 12: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: mushtuc
      In no case should I give any land to anyone.

      And if they declare war on Russia? lol
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 30 May 2013 18: 26 New
        0
        And what if they napropolit penguins of Antarctica to declare war on polar bears? What nonsense! Of course they are sooooo proud, but not to suicide!
  7. dimon-media
    dimon-media 30 May 2013 08: 05 New
    15
    What kind of mondavoshki still appeared ?! Estonia? What is it? Where is?
    1. Denis
      Denis 30 May 2013 09: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: dimon-media
      Estonia? What is it?
      Nothing, but it stinks !!!
    2. Seraph
      Seraph 30 May 2013 10: 00 New
      +5
      This is somewhere on the outskirts, but beyond the MKAD
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 30 May 2013 14: 23 New
        +4
        Nothing, the time will come when the 23rd traffic ring of Moskvabad will embrace Tallinn ... Our policemen from Tallinn will stop and demand a Moscow residence permit!
        “Screaming, show me the sweep here.”
        - Proopiskaaa?
        “Yes, come in here.” Karen's population is no longer respected honor ... is there yes ??? wassat
    3. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 30 May 2013 11: 35 New
      +2
      Somewhere in the north of Australia laughing
    4. smile
      smile 30 May 2013 15: 08 New
      0
      dimon-media
      :)))) ... Well, where, in your opinion, can there be the most lice with the letter "M"? .. So, that's where they are .... and then people are wondering why they are so smelly ... :))) why be surprised, everything is logical. :))))
  8. pahom54
    pahom54 30 May 2013 08: 10 New
    10
    Two hectares of land is just enough for a cemetery for the population of Estonia. Maybe highlight and attach the rest back ???
  9. BARKAS
    BARKAS 30 May 2013 08: 10 New
    +6
    So far, no one has been responsible for the concessions made to the United States and China, which is now surprising for others to use, putting forward even such delusional territorial claims.
    1. pav-pon1972
      pav-pon1972 30 May 2013 08: 55 New
      +7
      Gorbachev and Shevarnadze should be asked for the Marshal Islands while he is alive. You won’t ask Yeltsin for Father Tarabarov and a part of Father B. Ussuri’s.
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 May 2013 00: 08 New
        0
        And where is the EBN ???? This is Putin and his comrades who have become generous;
  10. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 30 May 2013 08: 13 New
    10
    Someone wishing to divorced like cockroaches once. To send everyone.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 30 May 2013 08: 43 New
      0
      Hi colleague!
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 30 May 2013 09: 57 New
        +2
        Good day, friend! smile
    2. ded10041948
      ded10041948 30 May 2013 18: 29 New
      0
      Better doom poison.
  11. Yarbay
    Yarbay 30 May 2013 08: 18 New
    13
    ** Like, this is extremely inconvenient, and therefore it would be wonderful if Moscow gave Tallinn the Saatsky Boot from its highway. ** -Uncomfortable soup to eat with a fork!
  12. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 30 May 2013 08: 24 New
    10
    Again Kemsk parish! To hell with them, and even without oil, if with oil - then something else!
  13. tixon444
    tixon444 30 May 2013 08: 25 New
    +8
    "They will not receive the Pytalovsky district, but ears from a dead donkey," - Vladimir Putin, 2005.
    And here are some more contenders for the "Russian pie":

    1. igordok
      igordok 30 May 2013 09: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: tixon444
      "They will not receive the Pytalovsky district, but ears from a dead donkey," - Vladimir Putin, 2005.

      Pytalovo is already Latvia, but the principle is the same.
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 30 May 2013 11: 18 New
      +1
      You better tell us how much land Putin gave to the Chinese. Land enriched with the blood of Russian defenders. How much Russian land was given by close friendship and ally of Putin Medvedev. Gave to our enemies, by the way. Estonians are shallow birds. Putin is used to rowing and paying big. Of course, Estonians will not receive. This is not the Chinese or Norwegians.

      By the way, all the land in Russia has already been sold to private owners. The only thing left is to sell off wildlife sanctuaries, reserves and other similar places. The corresponding law already exists.
      1. Led1989
        Led1989 30 May 2013 12: 53 New
        +2
        About the Chinese, according to an agreement concluded during the USSR, the border runs along the Amur riverbed, over the past years the channel has not shifted significantly, and the geographically surrendered islands have become closer to China, they did not have strategic importance, and they do not, it makes no sense to complicate relations with them China is not.

        On Norwegians, under the agreement on the division of disputed territories, all mining in their limits can be ONLY joint. In addition to the presence of minerals, the disputed territory is of no interest to anything. I do not see the infringement of the interests of the Russian Federation.

        About all the land in Russia, sold out in private hands, confirming links will be?
        1. Lankov Victor
          Lankov Victor 30 May 2013 15: 37 New
          +2
          "Apart from the presence of minerals, the disputed territory is not interesting in anything."
          Dear Led1989, unfortunately, this area is very rich in bio-resources. As a result of the betrayal of Dimon of the Barents Sea, Murmansk fishermen are out of work.
  14. JonnyT
    JonnyT 30 May 2013 08: 28 New
    +3
    Zhurnalyugi as always all inflated!)))
    Well now in Estonia you need to establish a national holiday regarding the accession of 2's hethes)
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 30 May 2013 08: 41 New
      +6
      Yupps have a day of northern territories, and Estonians have 2 hectares of day ... what kind of people are such and holidays.
      1. xan
        xan 30 May 2013 13: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: retired
        Yupps have a day of northern territories, and Estonians have 2 hectares of day ... what kind of people are such and holidays.

        I apologize, I remembered an anecdote about two thumping ovaries, one of which, looking at a corn-grower who had fallen on a dilapidated pigsty, sadly uttered: "What country, such a terrorist attack ..."
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 30 May 2013 20: 11 New
          +1
          fits ...
  15. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 May 2013 08: 33 New
    19
    Two hot Estonian guys came to a brothel, knocked.
    The hostess of the establishment opens and asks:
    - What do you want young people?
    - We are hut!
    - Please, we have these services cost $ 40.
    “But we only have eleven spots ...”
    “Well, for fifteen dollars, you can get each other out behind those bushes.”
    Estonians are gone. Half an hour later, they knock on the door again, the hostess opens the door:
    - Well, what else are you young people?
    - We would like to find out who the money to melt ...
  16. erased
    erased 30 May 2013 08: 33 New
    +5
    No matter how funny it may sound, it’s actually sad. Each mongrel strives if not to bite, then bark. And the Russian Federation is more silent or acts in silence. Why?
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 30 May 2013 08: 41 New
      +8
      Bears do not pay attention to insects!
  17. pensioner
    pensioner 30 May 2013 08: 40 New
    +6
    2 hectares speak? Sure, not a problem! Toko funeral tomorrow !! Keep up ...
  18. Hellriker
    Hellriker 30 May 2013 08: 53 New
    +5
    The smaller the pug, the louder it barks. You need a boot in the face, otherwise they have become insolent, they sensed the wind of "democracy".
  19. King
    King 30 May 2013 08: 57 New
    +3
    Heros two guys, not our territory.
  20. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 30 May 2013 08: 58 New
    +9
    not an inch to the enemies of our land !!! and Medvedev is on trial for distributing Russian land to Norwegians, queer fagots !!!
    1. Denis
      Denis 30 May 2013 09: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      fagots unfinished!
      The guys from the East began to correct this mistake, while in Sweden ...
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 30 May 2013 11: 18 New
        0
        No matter how new they are ...
        1. Denis
          Denis 30 May 2013 11: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: retired
          No matter how new they are.
          New fagots?
          Nothing to get used to geyrop
  21. Yuras222
    Yuras222 30 May 2013 09: 04 New
    +3
    from the principle with these fascists no contracts.
  22. igordok
    igordok 30 May 2013 09: 15 New
    +3
    Who cares - a map. We live nearby, but have not heard about this recently. In the post-perestroika period, Estonia raised this issue. But they refused because we requested the same area in the Krupp area.
    In the Civil War, with some participation of Estonians (with betrayal), the Whites occupied Russian lands. Estonia transferred part of the occupied land to Latvia (Pytalovsky and part of the Palkinsky district). In exchange, Estonia demanded from Latvia territory in the Valka region.
  23. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 30 May 2013 09: 18 New
    0
    Estonia wanted to get a piece of Russia


    - as the saying goes: HERE THEM, not a piece! angry
  24. igordok
    igordok 30 May 2013 09: 23 New
    +1
    The Pskov-Riga road runs several kilometers across Estonia. It must be proposed that Estonia give these lands (taken from Latvia to the Civil War) to Latvia. Let them bite together. Without a common enemy, they hate each other.
  25. Consul-t
    Consul-t 30 May 2013 09: 26 New
    +2
    I looked at the map with the Baltic republics.
    Border like a bull pissed ... Xia
    All in squiggles and zigzags.
    1. afire
      afire 30 May 2013 09: 40 New
      +1
      to tal-lina ddale-ko?
      not .. not far
    2. igordok
      igordok 30 May 2013 10: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Consul-t
      I looked at the map with the Baltic republics.
      Border like a bull pissed ... Xia
      All in squiggles and zigzags.

      Swamps sir, Swamps. hi
      See the borders of the baltics 1920-1944. Straight "demarcation" lines.
  26. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 30 May 2013 09: 37 New
    +4
    And what is Estonia? Territorial misunderstanding. We need to give them these 2 hectares (they will all fit there) and annex Estonia to Russia, and at the same time Lithuania and Latvia.
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 30 May 2013 10: 07 New
      +9
      Why do we need this ballast? Banana republics. The sense of them is zero. Money was being pulled all the way from the USSR. Now they wanted the land. Horseradish with grated radish.
      1. Nu daaaa ...
        Nu daaaa ... 30 May 2013 12: 51 New
        -14
        Her, dear, put the question wrong. Maybe it would be right to ask why we need such a ballast. The standard of living in Estonia is still better than in Russia. And the well-being of the ray ... And criminogenicity is less. How much is the average pension in the Russian Federation? There are 316 euros in Estonia. The minimum teacher pay is 700 euros, how much is in the Russian Federation? etc.
        1. smile
          smile 30 May 2013 15: 26 New
          +5
          Nu daaaa ..
          In the days of the USSR, crime in the Baltic was one of the highest in the USSR. Now, nothing has changed ... For example, there are about the same number of murders in 210 thousand Klaipeda as in 420 thousand Kaliningrad ... or do Lithuanians have higher crime rates than yours because the percentage of the Russian-speaking population there is less? :)))
          And about your giant pensions, tell pensioners when they pay a communal apartment, after which, if relatives do not help, there is simply nothing to eat .... :)))) My granny's pensions are just enough for 2/3 of the communal apartment .... Of course , my granny has nothing to complain about - I, brother, mother, the Russian Federation pay part of my grandfather's pension ... and if she lived alone?
          Well-being is yes ... well, what crazy funds did the USSR invest in your countries? That’s why our starting positions are different. I hope you have not forgotten that the Baltic States and Georgia were the most subsidized in the USSR? ... as Chechnya is now ....
          1. Nu daaaa ...
            Nu daaaa ... 30 May 2013 16: 53 New
            -1
            Nu, vo pervyh- prestupnost svjazano s ekonomicheskom polozheniem. Tak kak Litva v etom nam nemnogo otstupaet, mozhet tam i prestupnost vyshe. Ne znaju i ne sporju. U nas tut nje už tak vysoki. Pri tom bolshenstvo pristupnosti u nas daet russkojazychnoe naselenie-pri chasti naselenia okolo 30% v Talline onu dadut okolo 60-65% naselenja v tjurmah. Što v polne logichno-sredi migrantov prestupnust vsegda vyshe, vezde.
            Pro pensi- ne ochen syto, no žhit možno. Dva pensionera v trehkomnatnom živut bez problem, odinokomu da, tjaželeje. No est programmy sotsialnoi pomoštši, ranotajut uspešno.
            Blagoustroenost- komik vy, uvažhaenyi. Dumaju, chto bez "brastskoi pomoštši" sovetskogo sojuza žili my seichas namnogo luche. Kak, govorjat- bog, poštšedi ot druzei, as vragami kaknibut sami spravimsja ..
            1. smile
              smile 30 May 2013 17: 54 New
              +2
              Nu daaaa ..
              Regarding crime - you would be right if it were migrants like those. who comes to us on his own initiative now from Central Asia ... and now almost no one comes to you, and previously they sent exclusively highly educated specialists ... you didn’t have enough educated people until we created an education system of all levels from scratch ... therefore, those whom you call migrants had a higher education and level of development than local peasants and lumpens did not send you to develop your economy ...
              If you now have a greater number of crimes committed by Russians (of which I strongly doubt, but I will not argue, I do not own statistics), this indicates two things:
              1.You, with the help of total discrimination, ousted Russian-speaking people from all more or less significant spheres of life, deprived them of the possibility of self-realization. deprived of the opportunity to receive a normal education and work ... you have a consistent policy ... here is the result .... imagine, it is for this vile and ungrateful policy that we do not like your leadership ...
              2. If you say. that law enforcement agencies and courts treat Russian speakers the same way. as to the locals, unlike the rest of the state machine, then I will laugh in your face ...
              If I'm a comedian, then you, dear. is a hypocrite .. moreover. that you really invested as much as money, resources, intellect, how much you would never have produced anywhere yourself ... The Baltic States are now drowning so slowly because it is kept afloat by our transit ... almost everything that you have it still works, it was built by the peoples of the USSR and, at their expense, primarily by the Russians, and what was built before the year 40 was also built by the Republic of Ingushetia ... in general, everything ... not your own peasants built, their Germans did not even allow butchers and artisans to the workshops .. .

              a quote from Shirokorad's book "Peter the Great's Baltic Landmine":
              Before the revolution, all these states were integral parts of the Russian Empire, and due to the development of communication lines and the access of a number of these imperial territories to the sea, industry developed on Russian raw materials and for the Russian market. And there was no problem with agriculture: the climate in these parts of the empire was milder than in most other territories, the cost of milk, bread and meat was correspondingly lower, and the proximity of the Petersburg region made it possible to sell products at good prices. But these countries have become sovereign (which does not matter, because the Bolsheviks themselves released them from the empire). The trouble is that they immediately became hostile to the USSR, providing their territories for intervention against it, and Poland directly waged a war. This policy of “sovereigns” in the Baltic states led to the fact that the USSR rebuilt the production lost there on its territory and began to process the raw materials supplied to the Baltic states by itself, filling its own market with goods from these industries.
              1. Nu daaaa ...
                Nu daaaa ... 30 May 2013 18: 25 New
                -1
                and previously they sent exclusively highly educated specialists.

                Ne pravda, eto eštšo možno kak-nibud govorit do serediny 70tyh, posle jetogo he okakom vysokoobrazovannosti govorit ne pridetsa, sam v armi videl, kakih "vysokoobrazovannyh" k nam prizvala-išetyre. Tšernorabotših na olimpiskih stroek. Et v osnovnom tupaja massa do sih por jazyka ne znajut i sootvetstvenno na horoso ili daze normalno oplachemye rabotšie masta pretendirovat ne mogud. Chto huže, ih potomki tože na etom urovne. Tak chto migranty v samom hrenovom znachenie etogo slova. Slava bogu, cto i normalnyh russkih hvataet.
                Pro vytesnenie- eto ne my, a oni sami sebe vytesnili, neznaniem jazyka i ne imeniem obrazovania.

                Po povodu ravnogo otnošeni v sudemozhete smejatsa, vaše pravo, no pravdu eto ne menjaet. V obštšem, jesli voobštše raznitsa suštšestvuet, to ne po natsionalnosti, a po graždanstvo. Graždanin v estonij imejet vse prava, hot russli, estonets, anglican ili tuareg. Seropasportniki deistvitelno ne imejut teh pravm cto graždaniny. Tak po moemu iv rossij.
            2. smile
              smile 30 May 2013 17: 56 New
              +2
              Nu daaaa
              continuation of my answer

              And, as today, industry in the Baltic states fell into decay. For example, in Estonia the number of people working in industry fell from 36 thousand under the tsar to 17 thousand under “democracy” [38]. In addition to the forest, there is no traveling raw material in the whole Baltic, and the Baltic countries have only one way left - to develop agriculture. But he also needs a market, and agricultural production in the rest of Europe is cheaper than in the Baltic states. It was necessary to sell oil and pork to Europe at prices that left the Baltic peasants minuscule for a semi-beggarly existence. Estonia, for example, was in Europe in one of the last places in terms of living [39].
              The reader of the “Duel” wrote that when discussing this topic on the Internet at the VIF-2 forum, a correspondent from Estonia said: “As you know, before the war, the USSR had many campaigns such as“ Everything for a tractor, ”“ Everything for a car, ”“ Voroshilovsky Shooter “, etc. There were no tractors and planes in Estonia, but there was a campaign. The campaign was called "To Every Farmhouse A Lavatory." 90% of the population lived in farms, of which half were farm laborers. Until the end of the 30s, Estonian farms did not know what a toilet was (not even a sewage system) and simply went around the corner or wherever ... As a result, there were many diseases. They even announced a competition with a prize. The winners of the competition were set as an example, the president personally congratulated them, and as a result, the number of farms with outhouses increased from 5% to 35%. In the years 1938–40, about 1 people fled from Estonia to the USSR. The Border Guard Department was ordered to shoot the violators to kill. ”
              This is natural: while people in the neighboring USSR also lived extremely poor, the Baltic regimes could still control the situation, but as soon as the lives of people in the USSR began to improve dramatically, no fascist dictatorships could help.


              The Baltic countries - Latvia, Estonia, Finland - in those years were girls of reprehensible behavior and intensely twisted in view of the distant III Reich those places that they considered seductive, invitingly winking at once with both eyes for reliability ....
              So ... By the way, it’s nice to talk with you, unlike some of your neighbors who. having received a reasonable answer to their impudent statements, they turned sour and only fear prevented them from rushing to prove to me that they were right with their fists ... :)))
              1. Nu daaaa ...
                Nu daaaa ... 30 May 2013 18: 36 New
                0
                Until the end of the 30s, Estonian farms did not know what a toilet is (not even a sewer) and just went around the corner or wherever ...

                Vo vpervyh, chto takoe sortir, znali velikolepnu, v 30tye gody vygledili estonskie hutory priblizitelno vot tak


                Dom stroili 1926-1929. Ili vot tak:



                Bez sortiry? Mozhet byt. No ne veritsa. I, jesli mne pamjat ne izmenjajet, Šolohhov mnogokratno opisõvaet, kak ded Štšuhkar svoe delo na pole meždu podsolnoškami tvoril ...
        2. ded10041948
          ded10041948 30 May 2013 18: 44 New
          0
          What do you give out all salaries in numbers? The question is, what can I buy with this money?
          1. Nu daaaa ...
            Nu daaaa ... 30 May 2013 18: 52 New
            -1
            A što Vas interesuet? Sprosite. Obšestvennyi transport v Tallinne žiteljam goroda bezplatno ... Arenda 1-komnatnogo v tsentre Tartu 180 euro, v Tallinne dvuh- komnatnaja renovirovannaja s mebelem 250 euro.
        3. RUSSIA 2013
          RUSSIA 2013 30 May 2013 19: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Nu daaaa ...
          Her, dear, put the question wrong. Maybe it would be right to ask why we need such a ballast. The standard of living in Estonia is still better than in Russia. And the well-being of the ray ... And criminogenicity is less. How much is the average pension in the Russian Federation? There are 316 euros in Estonia. The minimum teacher pay is 700 euros, how much is in the Russian Federation? etc.

          Yes, only as long as Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia exist, they take the history of the eternally fifth point, they swore friendship to us, now they are Euro-American jackals. Soon RUSSIA will take the strongest in you, you will fall at our feet, eternal friendship suggest. By the fact that everything new is forgotten old.
  27. pakfa-t-50
    pakfa-t-50 30 May 2013 10: 02 New
    +2
    already angrily throws everyone you need our tidbit, then the Japs now also the Estonians and you do not want to use the nuclear bomb
  28. Foooxxxxx
    Foooxxxxx 30 May 2013 10: 12 New
    +2
    Yes send them away ...
  29. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 30 May 2013 10: 34 New
    +4
    Give them a good Pendel with this "boot" for their insolence! Probably, all of their two tanks were repaired and now they are not afraid of anything!
  30. Dimkapvo
    Dimkapvo 30 May 2013 10: 42 New
    +8
    In general, regarding compensation for the "occupation" that the Balts are begging for, I personally do not mind returning the money for four cows and two pigs. But at the same time counting and getting money from them for factories, schools, hospitals, ports, infrastructure and other things that they got from " occupiers ". It seems to me that the balance will not be in their favor ..
    1. smile
      smile 30 May 2013 15: 30 New
      +1
      Dimkapvo
      The balance will not be in their favor even if all of them are sold in slaves for debts in bulk ... although what I mean, they have long been enslaved by their politicians ... almost for free, and their new owners also robbed them ... out of habit ... :)))))
      1. Denis
        Denis 30 May 2013 19: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: smile
        they have long been enslaved by their politicians ... almost for free
        But is it, that is. slavery, not canceled?
        Won their owners walk freely
        Even in the white house, I saw it on TV!
        They will not lie there hi
  31. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 30 May 2013 10: 49 New
    +1
    Russia is surrounded by jackals, it is worth showing the weakness as they attack with their whole pack.
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 30 May 2013 11: 15 New
      -1
      And you around these jackals do not watch? ;) Take a look, they attacked a long time ago, bought up all the land of Russia under the strict guidance of the highest authorities of the Russian Federation, and now they are waiting only for the go-ahead from the Washington Regional Committee so that they will not attack Russia, but you and me, they have already captured Russia.
      1. smile
        smile 30 May 2013 15: 37 New
        -1
        Uhe
        It seems that you are a sweetheart man, you ... :))) It’s painful that your words swindle by the swamp ... well, you won’t deny that the regional committee just mentioned by you is conducting the marshes ... you don’t be shy, tell me exactly why people , hanging around in foreign embassies say the same thing as you?
  32. Navy7981
    Navy7981 30 May 2013 10: 52 New
    +3
    Yes, let them have fun! Anyway, sooner or later they will pay all bills! And interest on bills, also have to pay!
  33. AK44
    AK44 30 May 2013 11: 25 New
    +1
    Pease ..... they will receive, not a piece of Russia.
  34. NektoRU
    NektoRU 30 May 2013 11: 36 New
    +1
    They seem to have a burzometer burnt out!
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 30 May 2013 18: 56 New
      +1
      It has long gone wild for them, already the arrow bends all the way!
  35. Hort
    Hort 30 May 2013 12: 27 New
    +1
    But can they have one on the collar so that the neck is not rubbed?
  36. kasarov
    kasarov 30 May 2013 12: 30 New
    -9
    Time will pass and they will give all the remaining territories. And no one will ask you, just as they have not asked any other controversial.
    1. smile
      smile 30 May 2013 15: 43 New
      +1
      kasarov
      My niece once ordered me to "close one eye"! Closed it. "Now make a cherished wish." And then Nadka shrieked happily: "The one-eyed one was dreaming!" ... :)))
      So, close one eye .......
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 30 May 2013 19: 00 New
        +1
        Can I send him another present?
      2. ded10041948
        ded10041948 30 May 2013 19: 05 New
        0
        Quote: kasarov
        Regarding your formidable remarks, among the Marines: 160 conscripts came last year, 28 of them for additional nutrition (dystrophics). A year has passed: 8 have remained at additional care. (These are not overgrowths, but dystrophics, although feeding is now on from the belly). So who will you defend the territory? Former reserves?


        I don’t understand something: By registration - Kamchatka, and the flag - Scandinavian. Decide somehow who you are!
    2. ded10041948
      ded10041948 30 May 2013 18: 58 New
      +1
      Well, you are an impudent sir! Decent people are responsible for the "bazaar"!
  37. kasarov
    kasarov 30 May 2013 12: 39 New
    -6
    Regarding your formidable remarks, among the Marines: 160 conscripts came last year, 28 of them for additional nutrition (dystrophics). A year has passed: 8 have remained at additional care. (These are not overgrowths, but dystrophics, although feeding is now on from the belly). So who will you defend the territory? Former reserves?
    1. azilan
      azilan 30 May 2013 19: 48 New
      +1
      And you saw them these goners, who are they and what are they doing? One is worth five!
  38. USNik
    USNik 30 May 2013 12: 51 New
    +2
    So who will you defend the territory? Former reserves?
    I don’t know who the reserves are, maybe they are in your army belay
    Although they will need to undergo mandatory training, like all Estonian soldiers
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 30 May 2013 13: 12 New
      +4
      It is good to roam the world with caramel on the cheek, and another one for a friend .... lol
      1. azilan
        azilan 30 May 2013 13: 33 New
        +3
        He trains his cheeks to retaliate from Russia)))
        1. Denis
          Denis 30 May 2013 19: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: azilan
          trains cheeks to retaliate
          Is it worth it to dirty your hands?
          Rather, training on the cheek, it’s somehow more familiar to them
    2. kasarov
      kasarov 30 May 2013 14: 41 New
      -12
      He even has a Kevlar helmet. And in our household basin on the head, and a new form in which they freeze and become sick, and then change to the old Soviet jackets.
      1. smile
        smile 30 May 2013 15: 52 New
        +4
        kasarov
        And we do not cancel joint special forces exercises with the United States because of the abundance of mosquitoes in the forest, as we did, for example, the Lithuanians are a real case several years ago ... The Lithuanian press nearly died from gnaw, interspersed with anger and indignation (I learned from it) ..but Lithuanians are the most battle-worthy of the Baltic states ... :)))) the Kevlar helmet does not protect against mosquitoes ... well, and on the goat’s horseradish button accordion? :))))
      2. albanech
        albanech 6 June 2013 09: 37 New
        0
        Let him have a Kevlar helmet, and we have the fortitude of a Russian soldier!
  39. kasarov
    kasarov 30 May 2013 13: 08 New
    -3
    will reserve-is a reservist (eyepiece), liable for reserve or in reserve
  40. Dima190579
    Dima190579 30 May 2013 13: 10 New
    +3
    Oh, those tower Estonians
  41. Vtel
    Vtel 30 May 2013 14: 23 New
    +2
    Foreign Minister Urmas Paet says somewhat divergent from his spokesman

    Well damn Estonian Poets, fascist poets. Even Alexander Nevsky bequeathed: Not an inch of Russian land! Our boot hinders them, the poor fellows stumble, but there is a plus - they remember the Russians. Nicholas I once wrote to the King of France that if the French "run into" Russia, he would send a million spectators in gray overcoats to Paris. History repeats itself frequently.
  42. Lankov Victor
    Lankov Victor 30 May 2013 15: 11 New
    +1
    Theater of the absurd: the temporarily occupied Baltic territories of the Russian Federation make some territorial claims against Russia. However, judging by the speed of dispersal and extinction, after some time not a single Estonian-Latvian-Lithuanian will remain in these territories.
  43. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 30 May 2013 15: 11 New
    0
    Concerning the requirements of the Baltic states to Russia to give the lands allegedly belonging to them, I recall a brief but accurate phrase of V.V. Putin: they will receive ears from a dead donkey
  44. nnz226
    nnz226 30 May 2013 15: 45 New
    +1
    can make it easier: 2 airborne divisions + 2 motorized rifle + 1 tank; and the Estland region appears as part of the Russian Federation. The indigenous population travels to explore the southern coast of the Laptev Sea, and citizens from the Square are settling in an empty place, who are ready to change their passport with a "fork" for a passport with a two-headed eagle. And NATO will not even have time to sneeze, and then - stop wailing, because they do not want to, as in the song of the 70s, it was: "The nuclear fungus is swinging, resting right into the sky ... Tanks of Germany, like candles melting, are like the factory produced them ?! "
  45. Romario_Omsk
    Romario_Omsk 30 May 2013 15: 47 New
    +1
    Russia is united and indivisible !!!

    do not open your mouth to another loaf !!!!

    if necessary, we will enter NATO in the Netherlands itself))))
  46. Humpty
    Humpty 30 May 2013 15: 55 New
    +1
    Why do Estonians still have land? They are democratically dying out.
  47. Massik
    Massik 30 May 2013 16: 02 New
    0
    Therefore, we have such a large territory, since we do not give it to anyone.
  48. s.cot
    s.cot 30 May 2013 16: 31 New
    +1
    To the demon, EBNutny gave a little to amers, GDP, there or Vedmedev a little to the Chinese, Norwegians a little, China claims in Altai (the issue has not been resolved yet). What kind of X? Where are the acquisitions? They just give out, there is no gain in territories! !! And the Russian people too ...
  49. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 30 May 2013 16: 59 New
    0
    Another assignment of territory - I will vote for the Liberal Democratic Party ... Horseradish?
  50. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 30 May 2013 17: 33 New
    +4
    ANEKDOT (vulgar)

    Georgians, Estonians and Russians are traveling in one compartment. The Georgian sets a chic table with barbecue, cakes, wine. Invites to the table of an Estonian:
    - Sadys, daragoy, pack, wine paper, heart to heart pagavary.
    The Estonian thinks to himself: "I'll sit down with him, eat, drink wine, relax, and he looks and takes me away," and generally refused the invitation.
    Georgian invites Russian:
    - Sadys, my beloved daragoy, we pack, wines are paper, heart-to-heart pagavars.
    The Russian thinks to himself: "I'll sit down with him, eat, drink wine, you look will increase, so I'll fight off the Georgian" and agreed.
    After some time, the Georgian asks the Russian:
    - What, daragoy, ate, drank, did heaven increase strength? Well then, hold the Estonian - we will fuck.