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Patriotism

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Strange disputes are about patriotism. Sometimes you stop understanding what people are arguing about. The so-called patriots and the so-called liberals argue about this:


"We love Russia." "And we love and want good for her!" "But you do not respect Russian history! "" We respect, but we believe that if something was bad, then we must say: it was bad. Do you think that everything has always been good? "" No, we do not think so, but, for example, we will not allow the name of Stalin to be dirty ... "" And for us Stalin is a bloody tyrant, but we are proud of Alexander the Second. Do you think that a person who loves the Motherland has no right to such an opinion? "

The question is churned out very carefully.

Of course, patriotism is love for the motherland. Love manifested in deeds and in all life’s journey (I didn’t go abroad, I teach Russian mathematics for three kopecks, every year I go to the Victory Parade and give flowers to veterans, I fight on the Internet for the purity of the Russian language, I equip my yard, I read to children for the night Russian fairy tales, support our hockey players, etc., etc.). To love the Motherland secretly is somehow silly. If you love, you manifest.

The dispute between patriots "patriots" and patriots "liberals" is not that they show love in different ways. Each of us shows it in our own way. Someone, sitting abroad, drinks vodka for dumplings on holidays, sings military songs alone and writes patriotic posts in LiveJournal. Love too. And, probably, such love on all life abroad is imprinted.

Patriots- "liberals" believe that it is necessary to love the Motherland quietly, to dissolve this love in civil actions, not to put it forward, etc. And patriots- "patriots" consider it necessary to mean this love, to express, to express in symbols, to demonstrate. Essentially, we are talking about differences in the structure of identity.

I recognize that a person of liberal views carries love for the Motherland (that is, for Mr. Gozman it is difficult for me to recognize this, as well as, for example, for Mr. Prokhorov, but why not recognize such love, for example, for ordinary activists of Yabloko ?) But carries it in another way. For patriot patriotism, patriotism is in the “I am for others” area. This is the part of "I" that requires a demonstration, which should be perceived by others as the core of the image of me. In a “liberal” patriot, patriotism (when it is) is an intimate, intimate feeling, not quite suitable for loud demonstrations.

It seems to me that my thinking is fair. “Liberals” usually indicate that demonstrating patriotism with St. George ribbons on cars and repost of patriotic pictures on social networks is vulgar. Others go so far as to resent noisy military parades and other mass demonstrations of love for the motherland. I personally do not remember that the “patriots” demanded that everyone go with the ribbon of St. George and repost the portrait of Marshal Zhukov. Usually they require not to interfere in the expression of feelings, not to offend patriotic feelings. Yes, sometimes they are "offended" for no particular reason, but they still do not require the "liberal": "Express patriotism the way I do it." But the “liberals” are very often outraged by such an expression of feelings and propagandize the idea that patriotism should be a “hot silence” (this is still the same Mr. Gozman quoted Vasily Rozanov - one might even think that he read Rozanov!). It turns out that the "liberals" are fighting to change the structure of identity among the majority of Russian citizens. I don’t wear the St. George ribbons, I usually stay in "hot silence", I consider Karamzin to be the ideal of citizenship (who, by the way, wasn’t always recognized as Russian, he had a very European look), but I wasn’t annoyed by St. George ribbons on cars and portraits of Zhukov on personal pages on social networks. Yes, my feelings for the Motherland have not been put forward, the idea of ​​the secrecy of civil feeling is very clear to me, but how can patriot symbols of Russia be angry with Russia? If there is this love in your identity, then you are my fellow citizen and my brother. And what kind of structure does your identity acquire, how does “I am for myself” and “I am for others” correlate - your business.

Thus, “liberal” patriots insist that the structure of identity among our fellow citizens is wrong. Well, okay, someone considers it indecent to express civil feelings in hypertrophied forms, that this supposedly emasculates the feeling itself, etc. At the same time, most liberals consider it quite decent, acceptable and a good thing to demonstrate sexual identity at a gay parade. I am almost indifferent to this problem, although I would prefer never to see such shows in Russia. To me, in principle, it seems indecent to manifest sexual otherness in collective processions. Let, you know, homosexuality remains a "hot silence." But no! Sexual predilections must be expressed loudly, and love for the Motherland, you see, must remain an intimate affair.

Now I’m talking about this averaged, schematized liberal, which gentlemen like Gozman represent to us (by the way, I don’t know how he treats the gay parade, but I’m sure that the ATP structure he heads is strictly positive). Demonstration of civil feelings is indecent and they are against such a demonstration, and demonstration of sexual preferences is decent and even attaches us to the civilized world ... You have to agree that such liberals, which I describe, have a deformed morality.

But, after all, they do not consider the expression of any civil feelings to be obscene - for example, they consider solidarity with convicts in various criminal / quasi-criminal cases as mandatory for demonstration. As well as a sense of protest.

In other words:
White ribbons are recommended.
Rainbow flags are welcome.
St. George ribbons are condemned.

It turns out that liberal "patriotism" is when it is a shame for the Motherland. Is not it so? If participation in the Motherland is the only thing that is indecent to advertise, otherwise it is difficult to interpret it. I emphasize: if you are not at all a supporter of expressing feelings openly and prefer quiet, intimate feelings, then this speaks of your temperament or ... I do not know ... about aesthetic preferences, say (I love Russia as in Tarkovsky’s “Mirror”, and not in the "Alexander Nevsky" Eisenstein). But if you welcome the expression of all the feelings (even quite intimate ones), except for the feeling towards the Motherland, then, most likely, you are ashamed of the Motherland. And such shame is imposed on others. Like, love the motherland to health, but be ashamed of her. In the language of LGBT research, this is called "stocked mentality". Interestingly, homosexuality is taken out of the closet, and patriotism is hidden there. Am I exaggerating?

Why are the "patriots" proud of their homeland, and the "liberals" of the motherland ashamed? Why do "liberals" impose "stocked patriotism"? I suggest a hypothesis. Maybe they have a common definition of patriotism (“active love for the Motherland”), but the concepts of “Motherland” are different. For a patriotic "liberal" Motherland is a country to which you are involved in the fact of citizenship (birth, education - choose the one you want). And for "patriot" it is a country that is dear to you, i.e. she is part of you, and you are part of her. And not even a country, but some kind of spiritual and material reality in which you are rooted. For example, a man was born and grew up in the USSR, and now he has the citizenship of the country of the Russian Federation. But the homeland is one, it is continuous. The feeling of kinship connects you with the earth, history, people, literature and music, with the language - the spiritual and material cosmos in which you took place, and you yourself - this is a complex system of spiritual and material connections. In the "liberal", the Motherland is what he dwells in, what he got. These people, this land, this literature - my habitat. I (i.e., the "liberal") should treat this environment prudently. If I did not go abroad, I accept this corridor of possibilities. And I begin to dwell in it - taking something (Pushkin, there, Ivan Alekseich Bunin, Academician Sakharov), but rejecting something, exposing uprooting (damn scoop, for example). And the pain of the "patriot" and "liberal" is different. Saltykov-Shchedrin, very critical of Russian history, said: "I love Russia to the heart’s pain." The “liberal” I described these words can repeat (like Rozanov, without reading the author’s books), but they cannot be understood as the bearer of “chulanned patriotism”. "Heart pain" - because the native is so imperfect, so sick, etc. The "liberal" hurts that life here does not correspond to his master's plans. I want, they say, that here was like in France. And here - Stalinism, the legacy of the Gulag, the Orthodox obscurantists with their prayers. It would be nice to root out all this! "Patriot" can not "uproot" what it is essentially connected with. If it is imperfect, then the heart hurts. The Motherland suffers - and you suffer. Do not worry and indignant, and - you suffer! Together with the motherland. The face, at first glance, is thin but significant. "I" is otherwise arranged. In some, through living nerve connections with the native land, in others through a hypertrophied self, an artificial rupture. Since it is impossible to completely break the link between "I" and "habitat", patriotism is driven into the closet. In liberal people. The posthumans have no homeland - they are arranged quite differently.

These are two anthropological concepts. They now randomly received the names “patriotism” and “liberalism” from us. "Patriotism" interprets man as a system of connections, living relationships. "Liberalism" interprets man as a free subject in the world of objects. Since Russia does not provide an appropriate lifestyle and historical experience for the second concept, we should be ashamed of the Motherland: "They say it is embarrassing, of course, but I live in such a Motherland." For a “patriot,” it is quite natural to demonstrate unity with the Homeland — after all, he really does not separate himself from the earth, ancestors, history.

When "liberals" say that the government privatizes patriotism, they talk about themselves. They believe that this can be somehow privatized. And - it is impossible. You can privatize some characters, say. But the government does not prohibit patriotic symbols from being used by all citizens. Well, Putin should not hold a parade? And in general - he should not talk about love for the motherland? Obama says, Xi Jinping says, Merkel says. And this is an absolutely noble practice common to all great states (and very characteristic of our tradition). A national politician will be an idiot if he does not use patriotic symbols. Here belolentochnye leaders are like idiots: they are removed from the patriotic symbols. They, so that the authorities would not privatize these same symbols, should shout, tearing the voice: we are embodying the Russian traditions (Radishchev, Belinsky and so on)! that we are raising the banner of the struggle for the ancestral Russian ideals! we embody Orthodox values! we will now quote Nekrasov and Yesenin! Since they do not use such symbols, and the authorities use them, they complain that Putin has privatized something there. I personally do not care that Putin speaks about the Motherland (that is, I do not care that the political leader is not alien to patriotic ideas, but no more) - I will wear or not wear St. George ribbons, I will love or dislike Stalin -Lenin-Nicholas II - in accordance with my sense of the Motherland, my pain, my ideals. I do not know what "privatize patriotism" is. I do not understand this. It is possible to manipulate patriotic feelings, but then it is necessary to say this: the people, they say, are very trusting among us, being led to patriotic rhetoric. But this does not remove the problem: if you want to be with the people, demonstrate patriotism, and the people will figure out which of you is more convincing.

And one more thing the liberals say: the state should not, they say, teach young people how to love their homeland; they should not broadcast patriotic symbols and impose. Here again I turn to the Russian experience and the experience of the great powers. Our state has always taken care of this. Always in the United States took care of it. And in China. And in Europe (at least until the middle of the XX century). And the countries of the beloved Baltic States are engaged in the upbringing of Baltic patriotism. And Georgia, when loved by some liberals, Saakashvili cared. And in modern Russia this should not be. Why should not? Because it forms a relationship of man with the national cosmos. And kinship is not necessary.

That's the difference. Liberal patriotism is "barbarous patriotism", allowed only as an active desire to grow roots in the environment, without burdensome symbols, without appropriate upbringing. This “liberalism” is not only a political ideology, it is a new anthropological breed and a new anthropological ideal.
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  1. djon3volta
    djon3volta 26 May 2013 15: 43 New
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    No comments.
    1. Agent.
      Agent. 26 May 2013 15: 50 New
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      The long-standing dispute between fellow tribesmen and Slavophiles, has now grown into a dispute between patriots and liberals. And each camp has its own extreme comrades. But Liberals, in the form in which they are with us this is perhaps the exception, there is no such thing anywhere else, this is the cross of Russia. It has been a long time since F.M. Dostoevsky wrote, “Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order of things, but an attack on the very essence of our things, on things themselves, and not on order alone, not on Russian orders, but on Russia itself. The liberal came to the point that he denies Russia itself, that is, its mother hates and beats. Each unfortunate and unsuccessful Russian fact arouses laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. " "our liberal is, first and foremost, a footman, who is just looking for someone to clean his boots", nothing has changed since then
      1. astra
        astra 26 May 2013 16: 05 New
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        Quote: Agent.
        The long-standing dispute between fellow tribesmen and Slavophiles, has now grown into a dispute between patriots and liberals. And each camp has its own extreme comrades. But Liberals, in the form in which they are with us this is perhaps the exception, there is no such thing anywhere else, this is the cross of Russia. It has been a long time since F.M. Dostoevsky wrote, “Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order of things, but an attack on the very essence of our things, on things themselves, and not on order alone, not on Russian orders, but on Russia itself. The liberal came to the point that he denies Russia itself, that is, its mother hates and beats. Each unfortunate and unsuccessful Russian fact arouses laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. " "our liberal is, first and foremost, a footman, who is just looking for someone to clean his boots", nothing has changed since then

        Tooting. Sometimes it seems that the British came up with liberalism in Russia, in the light of how many evils and dirty tricks they did to Russia. This liberalism is like a disease, while a strong body in sleep mode is waiting in the wings, as soon as the organism-state weakens, liberalism wakes up and gains strength.
        1. Agent.
          Agent. 26 May 2013 19: 25 New
          +1
          that's how this disease has been living in Russia for so many centuries is not clear. Is it inherited ...
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          2. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 27 May 2013 14: 00 New
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            It is necessary to remove this hereditary gene from the chain forever, and those who now live in Russia will be thrown out of the borders, only loving RUSSIA should live with us !! Others have no place with us !!!
        2. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 26 May 2013 22: 45 New
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          Vain labor - no, you cannot expose them, -
          The more liberal, the more vulgar,
          Civilization is a fetish for them,
          But her idea is not available to them.

          As before her, do not bend, gentlemen,
          You do not get recognition from Europe:
          In her eyes you will always
          They are not servants of enlightenment, but servants.

          F. Tyutchev
          1867



          Listen: our age is the age of freedom,
          And in essence, look deeper -
          Free Thought Horse Guides
          Eastern despots are akin to.

          They have two weights, two measures,
          Double glance, double court:
          Self and power are given
          His upstairs, others in the midst.

          They have a strict slogan for everything
          Under their liberal stigma:
          Dare not go your own way
          Do not you dare to live your mind.

          When they glorify whom
          Before that kneel down.
          Whom they crush with disgrace
          Togo and you kick for them.

          Freedom is true, sugar is sweet,
          But the planters are in trouble;
          Where are their orders?
          Slaves of free labor!

          Freedom - Turning Roles -
          In their conditional language
          There is a surrender of personal will,
          To be a screw in a steam engine

          Be a monotonous parrot
          Which, all dumbfounded,
          Confirms with zeal bothering
          A whistled tune to him.

          I will say with sad consciousness:
          I don't see a big difference
          Between the liberal serfdom
          And every other corvee.

          P. Vyazemsky
          1860
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 26 May 2013 22: 47 New
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            “Firstly, what is liberalism, if we speak at all, but an attack (reasonable or erroneous is another question) on the existing order of things? Well, my fact is that Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order things, but there is an attack on the very essence of our things, on things themselves, and not on order alone, not on Russian orders, but on Russia itself. ”My liberal went so far as to deny Russia itself, that is, he hates and beats his mother Every unfortunate and unsuccessful Russian fact arouses laughter and almost enthusiasm in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. If there is an excuse for him, is it that he does not understand what he is doing and his hatred of Russia takes for the most fruitful liberalism (oh, you often meet with us a liberal who is applauded by the rest and who, in essence, is the most ridiculous, most stupid and dangerous conservative, himself does not know that!). This hatred of Russia does not yet so long ago our other liberals and they took almost a true love of the motherland and boasted that they saw better than others what it should consist of; but now they have become more frank and even the words "love of the fatherland" have begun to be ashamed, even the concept has been expelled and eliminated as harmful and insignificant. "


            - Is it possible that they will not give and will not allow the Russian body to develop nationally, with its organic power, but certainly impersonally, impersonatingly imitating Europe? But what then to do with the Russian organism? Do these gentlemen understand what an organism is? Separation, "detachment" from one’s country leads to hatred, these people hate Russia, so to speak, naturally, physically: for climate, for fields, for forests, for man’s liberation, for Russian history, in a word, for everything, they hate for everything.


            - And meanwhile, sometimes a fantasy occurred to me: well, if it weren’t for Jews, there were three million in Russia, but Russians; and there would be 80 million Jews, well, what would the Russians turn to and how would they treat them? Would they let them equal their rights? Would they be allowed to pray among them freely? Wouldn’t they be turned directly into slaves? Even worse: wouldn’t they have skinned at all! Would they not have been beaten to the ground, before the final extermination, as they did with foreign peoples in the old days, in their ancient history? No, I assure you that in the Russian people there is no biased hatred of the Jew, but there may be a lack of sympathy for him, especially in places and even maybe very strong. Oh, it’s impossible without this, it exists, but this does not happen at all from the fact that he is Jewish, not from tribal, not from religious hatred, but from other reasons for which it’s not the indigenous people, but himself Jew


            - If anyone destroys Russia, it will not be communists, not anarchists, but damned liberals.



            F.M. Dostoyevsky.
      2. Orik
        Orik 26 May 2013 16: 07 New
        +6
        Conclusion, they are destructive and cannot be corrected since are carriers of a different moral paradigm hostile to ours. Measures that are explicit, active to cut off, the rest to identify and suppress their impact on society.
        1. Kolya
          Kolya 26 May 2013 19: 29 New
          +5
          Advice for the Russian liberal: if he hates everything Russian in himself, then let him go jump from the bridge.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 26 May 2013 23: 01 New
            +6
            In the article, everything is turned upside down. First of all, it is necessary to determine who is in power now. In my opinion, it is LIBERALS (private ownership of land, a market economy, capitalism, a freely convertible ruble, the primacy of the dollar in the economy).
            Russia is simply divided into two camps - those who are under the red banner of the USSR and those who are under the trade tricolor! Those who try to cling to the glory of the USSR under the tricolor "
            It seems to me that my thinking is fair. "Liberals" usually indicate that St. George’s ribbons give out patriotism to cars on automobiles "St. George’s ribbons are given out, note not red ribbons, not stickers with the image of the real banner of Victory, but Georgian ones - like patriots, but no red flag!
            And when it comes to the people that just the LIBERALS in power disguise themselves as patriots, then everything will fall into place (and the destroyed industry, medicine, education and liberal values ​​(money) propagated from the TV screen)
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 27 May 2013 01: 53 New
              +1
              S_mirnov


              5 points! good
            2. CTEPX
              CTEPX 27 May 2013 05: 35 New
              +5
              Quote: S_mirnov
              And when it comes to the people that the authorities are just the liberals disguised as patriots

              This message would be yes to the author of the article).

              But for me it’s so simple. Patriotism is an adjective, in the sense that it is attached to the object)). But the objects may be different. For example: Russia, Russian Empire, Moscow, Siberia, Global Peace, Tatarstan, USA, Germany, Ukraine ... there is no number for them. And depending on what is the object of your patriotism, your worldview is being built.
              Our problem is that, with the help of the mass media and power functions, exactly those who are patriots of other objects, but not Russia, teach us Russian patriotism)).
            3. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 27 May 2013 12: 46 New
              +2
              Listen to you: duck before 1917 in general, there were only liberals under the “trade tricolor”, and true patriots appeared only with the October Revolution and now everyone wants to “stick” to their glory. Just one question arises - "Brest Peace" is the greatest act of patriotism ?! And then who are Nakhimov, Alexander Nevsky, Suvorov, Kutuzov, Ushakov? After all, their names were given to Soviet orders, all of them, except Alexander Nevsky, just served the tricolor so beloved by you. And the feat of “Mercury”, and the defense of the fortress “Osovets,” and the Battle of Borodino, and the defense of Sevastopol in the Crimean War, and the Sinope Sea Battle is like that, “dismantling” the empires of “bloodsuckers”. The feat of the soldiers of the Brest Fortress shows that the Russian spirit has not gone anywhere, and the defenders of the fortress are Worthy Continuers of the traditions of their heroic ancestors! The history of Great Russia did not begin in 1917. and did not end in 1991, this story continues! And all the vysers of the "world community" show that Russia is alive, otherwise why should it still be "at war" with it.
              PS In 1991 I was 15 years old, but with all my heart I was for the preservation of the USSR! And if there was an opportunity, I would vote for the Soviet Union.
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 27 May 2013 23: 15 New
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                "Listen to you: duck until 1917. In general, there were only liberals under the" trade tricolor "," - and who brought the Russian people to revolution? This is what needs to be done to make the patient Russian people go "elite" to hang on poles, it’s hard to imagine what the people need to be brought to. (answers about the insidious Department of State, and the fact that the people in the 17th was stupid, and in 2013 - very smart - they don’t).
              2. V. Salama
                V. Salama 30 May 2013 15: 19 New
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                Quote: EwgenyZ
                "Brest Peace" is the greatest act of patriotism ?!
                I understood that for you this is an act of Greatest betrayal. You should not have started this topic. Do not confuse patriotism with the logic of war. On this subject, liberalists are already preparing a massive ideological mess with the next brainwashing by 2014. So get some more.
                Quote: EwgenyZ
                And if there was an opportunity, I would vote for the Soviet Union.
                Here you two do not agree. There would be no "Brest Peace" - surely there would be no Soviet Union.
                Quote: EwgenyZ
                ..And all the vysers of the "world community" show that Russia is alive, otherwise why should it still be "at war" with it.

                According to the WHO definition: "Alcohol poisoning is the ingestion of alcohol into the body in quantities that are not compatible with life." Life is understood as the state of an individual, characterized by his ability to most fully realize his spiritual and physical powers. Russia is alive, but seriously ill and they want to finish it off. So there is no need for hat-making. If you think like that, then there will be no one to protect her, catch yourself when it will be too late. So - "study, study and study again ..."
            4. folds
              folds 27 May 2013 19: 00 New
              +2
              Only they are not going to cling to the glory of the USSR, they want, using everything that the USSR gave and created for them, mix it with mud, turn upside down achievements and failures. After all, it so happens that they do not plunder the heritage of a great country, but distribute in unknown how and where the values ​​that came from here. These constant calls "We must repent, we must admit ..." - they lead to the fact that officially the most heinous lie is fixed in the brain, which can be used to further disintegrate and divide the country into small principalities. If the ideal is the Western world for them, then they need to write them French or Swedish citizenship, and relocate to the suburbs of Paris or Stockholm. Better love that homeland :)
            5. V. Salama
              V. Salama 30 May 2013 14: 46 New
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              Quote: S_mirnov
              It seems to me that my thinking is fair

              It is fair because it is true. It has a lot of evidence in published assessments of the situation in the country (writers, scientists, politicians, journalists, publicists, public figures.
              Quote: S_mirnov
              In the article, everything is turned upside down.

              This is probably a fair statement as a whole for the article, but we can agree with some estimates (according to liberals).
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 26 May 2013 17: 23 New
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        Quote: Agent.
        otherwise mine has not changed since

        ... it has become much worse ...
        Liberalism in the world, it is now -
        - the invasion of other people's borders is that sovereign state or private house with its own rules
        - aggressive promotion of LGBT people
        - declaring the right to life - indelible, at the same time for ephtanasia
        - etc. etc.
        Those. Sodom & Homor plus Satanism came to a logical conclusion.

        For Russia, Russian people and all those who think differently, the stigmas are written in advance - nationalists, adherents of totalitarianism, Stalinism, dictatorship ...

        Even life in Russia according to liberals should have been concluded in the following-
        population max-50 mln. for tinning
        disarmament
        adoption of all laws of "enlightened democracy"
        tolerance, homophilia ...

        Yes, I’ll scatter such a thing!
        Only we are against!
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 26 May 2013 18: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: Rus2012
          Liberalism in the world, it is now -

          minority power!
          1. vdenisov56
            vdenisov56 26 May 2013 18: 56 New
            +4
            Minorities, and even sexual.
          2. fisherman
            fisherman 26 May 2013 19: 02 New
            -3
            yes ...

            "the way of the earth is shaking - they are burying God" (B. Pasternak)

            "neoliberalism is the next reprint of Bolshevism" (J. Stiglitz)
      4. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 26 May 2013 18: 03 New
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        Sometimes I go to read comments on various news on Rambler and here’s what I noticed: if the news is related to defense, a threat to the country, etc. - then 99% of the comments from the series “we will not fight for oligarchs”, etc. It's disgusting to read.
        But then there is the other side of the “coin” - we had a conversation with a friend at work (the topic was a survey of citizens who will do what in the event of war and who will evade, be called up, etc.), so the comrade, without thinking and not thinking, he declared that he would volunteer. Why am I saying this? And to the fact that not everything is eaten up for a hamburger and democracy. We must not fight for the "oligarchs" - we must fight for the Motherland, for our land, for our Parents.
        Yes, many do not believe our leadership - with the help of the press, an opinion has been imposed that if everything is over the hill and a simple Ivan will go to die, BUT who writes this and who believes in it? The one who was given New York and London nicer than Russian land? Who needs the land on which his ancestors plowed?
        I am an official, my whole family served and died for this country, and I am not ashamed to say that if “something” then all my friends, oddly enough, will fight for this country. Because they do not choose their homeland.

        PS: maybe someone considers my opinion maximalism, but think about it - can a Russian person (regardless of his ethnic group) think differently?
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 26 May 2013 18: 28 New
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          Quote: Blackgrifon
          We must not fight for the "oligarchs" - we must fight for the homeland, for our land

          right. and as you enter the srambler, it feels like you have visited an American patriotic site. I think 70-80% of us patriots in the United States, and 98% of the comments come from the United States for some news, especially news about the magnetic and the act of Dima Yakovlev. these topics 98% komentov FOR AMERICA and AGAINST RUSSIA.
        2. Lynx
          Lynx 26 May 2013 23: 30 New
          +3
          To the Answers. Mile.ru someone asked a question - Will you go to fight for your homeland? I don’t know, maybe it happened, but "YES, how else?" women answered, but “No” and “We won’t fight for the oligarchs” - men, although it’s difficult to name them men (it is known what kind of riffraff is going there sometimes).
          I think now a conviction is being specially imposed, and with the help of faceless comments on the scramblers, including that if you fight, then for the oligarchs, and not for the land, for their territory ...
          About two years ago, on the same Answers to the same question, the answer was popular - I’ll run abroad. Male respondents answered without hesitation.

          Blackgrifon, no, not maximalism. This is the position of the Russian man. But the riffraff, spreading Russia, ciganet from the country faster than the speed of light. It is rightly said that a person is fully revealed in prison and in war (well, I would also add - on the hunt). And then the war did not start (and God forbid), they have already adopted the low start pose.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 26 May 2013 23: 46 New
            0
            ask a question on this site)
        3. V. Salama
          V. Salama 30 May 2013 15: 59 New
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          Quote: Blackgrifon
          I am an official ...
          In principle, this explains everything
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          ... so the comrade, without thinking or thinking, declared that he would volunteer.
          the thing is that
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          the topic was a survey of citizens who will do what in case of war
          in this survey, apparently what kind of war was involved, so there was nothing to think about. There was already a war for the property of the EBN team, for which they paid with the blood of our people. And I myself read BAB’s statement published in due time: “... we will force the army to serve our capitals ...” I would not like to arrange a rake disco again.
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          my whole family served and died for this country,

          it can be said not only by the Russian people in our country.
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          maybe someone will consider my opinion maximalism
          No, I would not call it maximalism. Not everything is so simple and straightforward, but not the format here to discuss such topics, I think. By the way
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          many do not believe our leadership - with the help of the press an opinion is imposed ...
          what is it about? Leadership of which country ...? And this press - in which country? You are an official in the public administration system, can you explain?
      5. VADIMKRSK
        VADIMKRSK 26 May 2013 18: 43 New
        +2
        Fedor Mikhailovich in the century before last sensed everything ...
      6. discard
        discard 26 May 2013 19: 53 New
        -8
        This quote from Dostoevsky clearly demonstrates another attempt to substitute concepts - to blame those who are dissatisfied (calling them liberals) with the essence of the order established by the current government of dislike of Russia and their lack of patriotism.
        Apparently, according to the author, the true patriots are Zyuganov, calling us back to socialism and the “liberal” Zhirinovsky, who openly support the current government and call themselves opposition.
        1. Agent.
          Agent. 26 May 2013 20: 33 New
          +6
          Quote: discard
          This quote from Dostoevsky clearly demonstrates another attempt to substitute concepts - to blame those who are dissatisfied (calling them liberals) with the essence of the order established by the current government of dislike of Russia and their lack of patriotism.
          П
          There are undoubtedly such attempts, and there are many of them. Defending power does not mean being a patriot, in any case! The word Liberal has very little to do with true liberalism - freedom. It so happened that in Russia liberals call themselves a very definite party of the pro-apostolic, and in some places Russophobic worldview! Read the test: “Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order of things, but an attack on the very essence of our things, on things themselves, and not on order alone, NOT ON RUSSIAN ORDERS, ON RUSSIA MAY” Liberal is often in opposition with us not only to the authorities, but also to the country!
          1. Agent.
            Agent. 26 May 2013 21: 05 New
            +2
            ... there is an attack on the very essence of our things, on things themselves, and not on order alone
        2. fisherman
          fisherman 26 May 2013 20: 33 New
          +3
          there is no substitution of concepts, everything is obvious ...

          just Fedor Mikhalych is a little wiser than you ...

          "intellectual (western concept) - a person who does everything for his success, his career

          intellectual (eastern concept) - a person who does everything to stay in any situation as a person "

          here, there is often a substitution of concepts, that is, they are trying to call us modern-day parasites, nihilists, office careerists, glamorous white-bellied artists and other creative people, as intelligentsia ....

          But they are ordinary intellectuals ...
          1. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 26 May 2013 22: 27 New
            0
            Quote: fisherman
            But they are ordinary intellectuals ...

            Well done, Fisherman, very accurate and intelligible. Thank. good
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 26 May 2013 22: 40 New
              +3
              but most of all thanks to Dostoevsky, Chekhov, Tolstoy ......

              this seemingly banal knowledge was cut off from us, that in 1917 (plus or minus ten years), that 1991 (the same plus or minus) year ...

              even a slight fleeting loss of attention to basic values ​​(our Identity and our Tradition) allowed “persons of a democratic appearance” (Tolstoy) to fool us ...

              and even now they are trying, portraying "moral authority, the conscience of a nation-sadders of the Russian land"
          2. 3 inches.
            3 inches. 27 May 2013 08: 58 New
            +3
            dare not call me an intellectual! I have a profession! this is Chekhov.
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 27 May 2013 11: 33 New
              +1
              for the profession plus ... although this was different ...

              “Take, for example, A.P. Chekhov. His intellectual is in constant, stubborn, hard work.“ You need to train yourself, ”the writer said. He developed a whole program of moral self-improvement for a person who claims to be an intellectual. A.P. Chekhov believed that educated people should be polite, compliant, gentle, not talkative, sincere and obliged to be afraid of lies, like fire. "

              "The strength of the Russian intelligentsia is not in the mind, but in the heart and conscience.

              D.S. Merezhkovsky
              1. 3 inches.
                3 inches. 27 May 2013 11: 50 New
                0
                I visited a gathering of intellectuals about Chekhov. as they were there, they seemed to be a great man, but he didn’t like those who called themselves intellectuals. They agreed that he was great, of course, but morally low. You see, while he worked in Singapore he had a local his wife was. They considered this a fall of genius. And the fact that he was not married then, well, why such details. I laughed heartily at them
                1. fisherman
                  fisherman 27 May 2013 14: 23 New
                  0
                  it’s always customary for us to confuse intellectuals and intellectuals, that is, if you look at it, Chekhov constantly reproached the latter, but it is generally accepted that intellectuals ...

                  the same one Lenin, he had in mind exclusively intellectuals (using the word "intellectual") when he uttered - "nation" ...
                  approximate quote :))
    2. astra
      astra 26 May 2013 15: 59 New
      12
      Why only Gozman? all liberals must be "pressed")))
      What to hide, the liberal is a mask, under the guise of which you can see the pest of Russia, sponsored by intelligence agencies of the West. What else do they need? The Soviet Union collapsed, now they want to divide the region? - figs, it will not work. It is necessary to block the flow of money to the liberals, you look normal, they will become real patriots of Russia.
    3. Apollo
      26 May 2013 16: 10 New
      10
      Quote: djon3volta
      No comments.



      djon3volta (2)

      Full name: Umboi Manam. [Add to blacklist]
      Group: Visitors
      Registered Date: October 20 2012 13: 10
      Last Visited: 26 May 2013 15: 43

      ICQ number:
      Location: Papua New Guinea

      Dear Umboi Manam, however, you are a “patriot” without five minutes. Is it necessary to issue such a place of residence ???
      Patriot from Papuan. The first time I read this. laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 16: 15 New
        +7
        Quote: Apollon
        Location: Papua New Guinea

        This country is heavily in debt with the United States and without five minutes the next state of the United States.
      2. Armata
        Armata 26 May 2013 16: 39 New
        10
        Quote: Apollon
        Dear Umboi Manam, however, you are a “patriot” without five minutes. Is it necessary to issue such a place of residence ???
        Patriot from Papuan. The first time I read this
        Do not insult people. Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts.
        1. Apollo
          26 May 2013 16: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: Mechanic
          Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts.



          So dear Eugene! I read your comment and honestly in shock. I was impressed by your position in life and your sober outlook on life. The variability in your comments on 180%, frankly, puzzled me. I did not even suspect that you were slipping into the position of simple idiots. Honestly Eugene did not expect these pearls from you. am
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta 26 May 2013 17: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Apollon
            I read your comment and frankly shocked.

            what kind of comment are you talking about? from which topic?
          2. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 26 May 2013 22: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Apollon
            . Honestly Eugene did not expect these pearls from you. am

            Something in our Mechanics has broken or hurt. Probably you need to send the oil to him or greenbacks.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 16: 54 New
          -1
          Quote: Mechanic
          Do not insult people. Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts.

          Hold my slippers fool And this man considers himself a competent patriot. Maybe you can write a friend to your friends, and that you will be an excellent team. Alya twin brothers cheers idiology. Minus!
          1. Armata
            Armata 26 May 2013 16: 58 New
            +7
            Quote: Apollon
            The variability in your comments on 180%, frankly, puzzled me. I did not even suspect that you were slipping into the position of simple idiots. Honestly Eugene from ChVas these pearls, did not expect.

            Duck and we change our minds depending on life. But your stupidity sometimes surprises me.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Hold my slippers
            Che already flew out of them?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You can also write a friend to your esaul, and that you will be an excellent team. Alya the twin brothers cheers idiology.
            I don’t care about your lads.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 02 New
              -6
              Quote: Mechanic
              But your stupidity sometimes surprises me.

              Yes, I’m far from your stupidity and I don’t need to poke you and I didn’t drink together!
              Quote: Mechanic
              Che already flew out of them?

              Yes, reading your stupid things, here the floor of the room under the table sits from your clement.
              Quote: Mechanic
              I don’t care about your lads.

              well, embrace John, you are so similar to him. If he has 3 volts, then you have no more than 2x volts and those are not in your head but in ...
              1. Armata
                Armata 26 May 2013 17: 04 New
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                well, embrace John, you are so similar to him. If he has 3 volts, then you have no more than 2x volts and those are not in your head but in ...
                Yes, and hug with a fairly reasonable person, unlike you.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  Yes, and hug with a fairly reasonable person, unlike you.

                  Well thought that they wrote or so work on the public?
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 26 May 2013 17: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Well thought that they wrote or so work on the public?
                    Unlike you, no. I don’t need it.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 24 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Mechanic
                      Unlike you, no

                      Yes, not really, you are the smartest with us and know everything about ships, but for some reason I haven’t seen anything concrete from you all the time.
                      By the way, answer the person. Otherwise you promised him, as well as many people who proved it.
                      Anything to answer, Mr. Ham?
                      1. Armata
                        Armata 26 May 2013 17: 26 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, not really, you are the smartest with us and know everything about ships, but for some reason I haven’t seen anything concrete from you all the time.
                        By the way, answer the person. Otherwise you promised him, as well as many people who proved it.
                        Anything to answer, Mr. Ham?

                        What for? What could say, say. I can’t and don’t want to teach anymore.
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 26 May 2013 17: 39 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        I can’t and don’t want to teach anymore.

                        So it's time to rest-write memoirs: How I taught on the VO site mediocrity and dumbass Motherland fool
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 55 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        What could say, say. I can’t and don’t want to teach anymore.

                        And what can you teach at all and whom, one blah blah blah. I think that literate people will not lead to your posts, the price of which is zero.
                      4. Armata
                        Armata 26 May 2013 17: 57 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And what can you teach at all and whom, one blah blah blah. I think that literate people will not lead to your posts, the price of which is zero.
                        Unlike you, I work, not sell right-handed cars. I am not a huckster, but an engineer.
                      5. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 18: 01 New
                        0
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        I am not a huckster, but an engineer.

                        You better tell us which country you are an engineer working for. Acreya of India is nothing for Russia, you are our homegrown patriot. And by the way, it wasn’t worth it for a person with a V / O to write with errors, it’s immediately obvious that an “engineer negative
                      6. Armata
                        Armata 26 May 2013 18: 06 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You better tell us which country you are an engineer working for. Acreya of India is nothing for Russia, you are our homegrown patriot. And by the way, it wasn’t worth it for a person with V / O to write with errors, it’s immediately clear that
                        Well, yes, well, yes, if there is nothing to argue, they start digging into words.
                      7. 3 inches.
                        3 inches. 27 May 2013 09: 02 New
                        -1
                        uh dear your previous posts are also full of mistakes.
        3. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 26 May 2013 17: 26 New
          +7
          Quote: Mechanic
          Yes, and hug with a fairly reasonable person, unlike you.

          belay what Eugene ! Of course, I apologize, but this condition happens when you have a bite of cognac - bottles so two Maybe you need to oversleep?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 50 New
            -4
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Of course, I apologize, but this condition happens when you have a bite of cognac

            Cheap brandy with mushrooms.
            1. agrindler
              agrindler 5 June 2013 15: 11 New
              0
              And you should be ashamed of Alexander Romanov! I have the impression that you have never served! So the books began and make yourself a real warrior! I would have demoted you to a private and to the penal battalion forever! It’s not a good idea to insult people! Where are the facts ... quotes, etc. Scolding the market, but here is a military review! Need to respect each other!
    4. agrindler
      agrindler 5 June 2013 15: 03 New
      0
      Eugene! I fully support! Well done!
  2. evfrat
    evfrat 26 May 2013 17: 11 New
    10
    before beating myself in the chest with shouts: "I am a patriot," it would be better if we spelled out our own speech. All the same, there will be more sense for the Motherland.
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 26 May 2013 17: 44 New
    +4
    Quote: Mechanic
    Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts.


    Zhenya then you insult him yourself, in your opinion it turns out he only sometimes is smart, but the rest of the time ....
    1. Armata
      Armata 26 May 2013 17: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: Vadivak
      Zhenya then you insult him yourself, in your opinion it turns out he only sometimes is smart, but the rest of the time ....
      All of us are sometimes smart. and don’t just have to put everyone under the line.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 26 May 2013 17: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Mechanic
        All of us are sometimes smart. And we don’t just have to put everyone under the line
        !

        Well, and now all together.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 26 May 2013 17: 57 New
    13
    Quote: Mechanic
    Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts

    I’ll support, Mechanic. Personally, I’m bored without Zhenya (Umboy Manam). Let him and I have absolutely opposite views, sometimes I also allow myself to laugh, but sometimes it’s extremely interesting to read some of his pearls. For a demotivator, plus.
    In general, it’s enough to swear. I just read further comments.
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 26 May 2013 18: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: baltika-18
      And generally enough to swear.

      Hot Finnish guys. request
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 26 May 2013 19: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Gamar
        Hot Finnish guys.

        Yeah....
        What the men suffered ..... request
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 27 May 2013 07: 13 New
          0
          Quote: baltika-18
          What the men suffered .....

          It seems that the accounts of the commanders were hacked and watered on their behalf)).
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 26 May 2013 19: 57 New
      0
      Quote: baltika-18
      Personally, I’m bored without Zhenya (Umboy Manam).

      I join, he is a sincere man, he doesn’t suffer from liberalism a little peculiar (a local attraction) - I gave him the "name" by the "eternal sergeant"
  • Gemar
    Gemar 26 May 2013 19: 30 New
    +5
    Quote: Mechanic
    Do not insult people.

    Fair! Just ask 3-pound John not to call people liberals if they do not agree with his "authoritative" opinion.
    Quote: Mechanic
    Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts.

    Che for the site? belay I mean, on which site does he express competent thoughts? request
  • Orchestrarant
    Orchestrarant 26 May 2013 16: 50 New
    +4
    Well, there are dark little patriots! winked smile
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 28 New
      -4
      Quote: Orchestra
      Well, there are dark little patriots!

      Yes, darker than the Mechanic of City is difficult. Rare "personality"
  • Sasha
    Sasha 26 May 2013 17: 24 New
    20
    Apollon AZ, Alexander Romanov RU
    Moderators are good ... Those who have to follow the order arrange (read provoke) srach. The mess.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 31 New
      -3
      Quote: Sashok
      Those who must keep order, arrange (read provoke) srach.

      There is only one moderator who arranges srach and he has already received a warning!
      1. Sasha
        Sasha 26 May 2013 17: 38 New
        14
        Alexander Romanov RU
        Apollon started, and you supported. As moderators you must be OVER the situation.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 48 New
          -9
          Quote: Sashok
          . As moderators you must be OVER the situation.

          Let me remind you that the Mechanic is the moderator himself, I think such moderators are not needed on the site !!!
    2. Apollo
      26 May 2013 17: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Sashok
      Good moderators ... Those who need to keep order, arrange srach. The mess.



      and who knew that the Mechanic would be two-faced.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 26 May 2013 17: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        and who knew that the Mechanic would be two-faced.

        Maybe overslept will drink cold kefir and everything will pass? what
        1. Rezun
          Rezun 26 May 2013 19: 03 New
          +4
          Oh my god ...
          Anecdote on the topic:
          I.V. Stalin: "Lavrentiy! And what about US with topwar.ru?"
          LP Beria: "Everything is in order, Comrade Stalin, they are sitting!"
          I.V. Stalin: "Is everyone sitting?"
          LP Beria: "The mechanic will sit tomorrow, Comrade Stalin!"
          JV Stalin: “As agreed, Lavrenty, let go of useful people, but very hot, like us! Do you agree, Lavrenty?”
      2. djon3volta
        djon3volta 26 May 2013 17: 51 New
        -3
        Quote: Apollon
        and who knew that the Mechanic would be two-faced.

        what if he’s like Putin? wassat and he didn’t dance to the tune of the Yeltsin family. After all, they thought that Putin would also be tame like Yeltsin, and since he was going to the bunks, Birch and Gus were gone from the country, well, and so on ... the KGB is not asleep! tactical mnogohodovki you know .. bully
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 18: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: djon3volta
          what if he is like Putin?

          Rather like Yeltsin.
    3. svp67
      svp67 26 May 2013 17: 36 New
      15
      Quote: Sashok
      Moderators are good ... Those who have to follow the order arrange (read provoke) srach. The mess.

      yes

      "Hello, fireman? Here the police are fighting with the doctors belay I don’t know where to call recourse ... "...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 18: 06 New
        -4
        Quote: svp67
        I don’t know where to call

        Call Kashchenko, then one must be taken from the site.
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 May 2013 18: 12 New
          11
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Call Kashchenko, then one must be taken from the site.

          Maybe you would have switched to personal communication, having saved everyone from this squabble of two PATRIOTS, or it’s time for someone to show that he’s still smarter than his opponent ...
    4. de klermon
      de klermon 26 May 2013 17: 48 New
      +2
      Let the giraffe was wrong, but not the giraffe, but the one who shouted from the branches ...
      Yes, something is really wrong with the traditions of the Russian world ... Even here, saying the same things in the same words, they managed to overload ... ghm, quarrel! Colleagues, what are you? Do not be like liberals ...
      Patriotism for a healthy person is also the same as love for a mother!
      I hope that there will be few people who hate mother who are not normal to argue ...
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 19: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Sashok
      Moderators are good ... Those who have to follow the order arrange (read provoke) srach. The mess.

      Dear, but there was simply no srach! We made a little variety on Sunday evening, a little humor, not much intrigue, not much banter.
      Each quarrel has a reason, but it was not and never will be. Best friends will always remain friends. You were not bored and interested, but we are just people. With respect to all visitors to the site ... Apollon, Mechanic and Alexander Romanov drinks
      1. Armata
        Armata 27 May 2013 08: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Dear, but there was simply no srach! We made a little variety on Sunday evening, a little humor, not much intrigue, not much banter.
        Each quarrel has a reason, but it was not and never will be. Best friends will always remain friends. You were not bored and interested, but we are just people. With respect to all visitors to the site ... Apollon, Mechanic and Alexander Romanov
        It was a concerted action on three sides. I Sanya and Azir decided to revitalize the site a bit. drinks
        1. Apollo
          27 May 2013 11: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Mechanic
          It was an agreed action on three sides.


          confirm drinks
    6. Hleb
      Hleb 26 May 2013 19: 53 New
      +6
      Good moderators ...

  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 26 May 2013 17: 44 New
    +4
    Quote: Apollon
    Dear Umboi Manam

    how to change the nickname? is there such an opportunity? not a name, but a nickname, instead of djon3volta I want another one! I already came up with wassat
    1. Apollo
      26 May 2013 17: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: djon3volta
      how to change the nickname? is there such an opportunity? not a name, but a nickname, instead of djon3volta I want another one! I already came up with


      no Umboys, you live with this nickname all your life. laughing
      1. Orchestrarant
        Orchestrarant 26 May 2013 17: 52 New
        +2
        Very pichalka! laughing laughing laughing
    2. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 26 May 2013 18: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: djon3volta
      how to change the nickname? is there such an opportunity? not a name, but a nickname, instead of djon3volta I want another one! I already came up with

      Eugene, please leave it as it was, a new name or person will not change the course of your thoughts, you have grown to it, seeing djon3volta I have a burning desire to read you, I think many will agree with me hi respect society. for a picture plus, but for a desire I would put a minus but I will refrain
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 26 May 2013 18: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        Eugene, please leave it as it was, a new name or person will not change the way you think

        I just wanted to put a more irritating nickname, written in Russian. I already came up with a nickname a few days ago. I won’t say any. In the spirit of GLORY TO PUTIN. Well, okay, I’ll remain John 3 volts.
        1. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 26 May 2013 18: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: djon3volta
          GLORY TO PUTIN. Well, well, I will remain John 3 volts.

          applaud, for many here GLORY TO PUTIN and John Z Volta are synonyms good
        2. Arberes
          Arberes 26 May 2013 18: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: djon3volta
          . Well then, I will remain John 3 volts.

          Hats off to you!
          Without any mockery!
        3. Rezun
          Rezun 26 May 2013 19: 10 New
          +1
          Calm John! You are in your place!
    3. Rezun
      Rezun 26 May 2013 19: 04 New
      0
      from Soviet classics: "Hold on, geologist ..."
  • Hleb
    Hleb 26 May 2013 18: 01 New
    +1
    however, you are a “patriot” without five minutes. The same must be issued, such a place of residence

    however, your flag in this case can also be used as an "argument"
  • GG2012
    GG2012 26 May 2013 18: 18 New
    +5
    Quote: Apollon
    djon3volta(2) - Umboy Manam. Location: Papua New Guinea. "Patriot" five minutes to five

    Strongly hello to you! hi
    That's right you, Apollo, have noticed.

    djon3volta(2) - sorry for the demotivator, ... lol ... but could not restrain myself from exposing. With a place of residence - this is your jamb.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 26 May 2013 18: 26 New
      +4
      I’ll go to the Russian site. I’ll teach the people of patriotism

      mbhahaha .. didn’t the shrapnel slice this landmine?
      1. GG2012
        GG2012 26 May 2013 18: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Gleb
        mbhahaha .. didn’t the shrapnel slice this landmine?

        If djon3volta (2) asks to remove the demo, ... I will delete it without question.
        A little mood on Sunday evening ... doesn’t hurt.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 26 May 2013 20: 34 New
          0
          the fact of the matter is that you with the Ukrainian flag wrote to a person with the Azerbaijani flag, ironic over a Russian
          I’ll go to the Russian site. I will teach the people of patriotimau
          (demo as if hinting)
          who came in and who teaches whom ???
          1. GG2012
            GG2012 26 May 2013 22: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Gleb
            the fact of the matter is that you with the Ukrainian flag wrote to a person with the Azerbaijani flag, ironic over a Russian

            Quote: Gleb
            who came in and who teaches whom ???

            From someone I heard that our site is registered somewhere ... either in Germany or in Spain ...
            In general, it is right to say that Topvor is a Russian-language site.

            As for the "Patriot" from Papua New Guinea - it was his personal choice ... indicate such a residence.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 26 May 2013 23: 14 New
              +1
              the fact of the matter is that I am not against any person (this is much more interesting). But to cite as an argument, reproach, the location of the opponent (which you yourself announced), is it clever?
              yes it’s his choice (like yours-GG), but how much should there be no sense of humor, reality ... to believe that he is from Papua and all the more to catch on to it?
              Topvor is a Russian-language site
              and in the demo "Russian"
              1. GG2012
                GG2012 27 May 2013 00: 11 New
                -1
                Quote: Gleb
                (like your-gg)

                My - these are the initials of the name and surname ... the truth is in English ... (this would remove questions).
                Quote: Gleb
                how much sense of humor, reality should be absent ... to believe that he is from Papua and all the more to cling to it

                In personal communication, I can tell you in detail how I feel about the word "believe" (and including Vera). Purely for myself, I did a little cultural and psychological research on the topic of "Faith", "Believe", etc., therefore, the fact that John3Volta from Papua New Guinea ... I naturally did not believe.
                This is the internet! We are all a bit fictional, digitized.
                He indicated this name as a place of residence ... I got hooked on him.
                Someone demo smiled ... Someone remained indifferent ...
                The main thing is that I did not offend him.
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 27 May 2013 00: 17 New
                  +2
                  understandably!
                  (no need for faith)
  • Denis
    Denis 26 May 2013 16: 13 New
    +3
    The Russian side refused to fulfill the order for the supply of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria, The Sunday Times reports citing a senior official who wished to remain anonymous.

    According to the official, during a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the question was raised that Russian launchers could fall into the hands of anti-Israeli rebel groups. Those, in turn, can use weapons against Russian civilian liners that land or take off at Ben Gurion International Airport in Israel.
    The Russian side refused to supply weapons to Syria on the condition that Israel refrain from further air attacks in Syria.
    The contract for the supply of four launchers was concluded in 2010. Last year, at the request of Israel, Russia postponed the transfer of the first batch of S-300 to Syrian government forces.
    Read more on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/news/239701-rossiya-otkazalas-postavlyat-v-siriyu-raketno-z
    enitnye-kompleksy-s300
    ONLY WHAT I READ, HOW TO UNDERSTAND IT ?????
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 26 May 2013 16: 25 New
      +2
      GDP surrenders to Syria, what is not clear
      1. Genady1976
        Genady1976 26 May 2013 18: 38 New
        +1
        hand over hand over hand over
        1. Ivanovich47
          Ivanovich47 26 May 2013 19: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: The Russian side refused to fulfill the order on the supply of C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria, reports The Sunday Times . Apparently to many admirers of the West, especially in Ukraine, V.V. Putin stepped on my boot ... European genitals. The Sunday gentlemen had visions of pain. No gentlemen S-300 will fuck you in Syria! So, that early rejoice pan crest!
    2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 26 May 2013 16: 26 New
      +6
      I also read ... sadly, the boom hopes that this is a "duck" what
    3. mogus
      mogus 26 May 2013 17: 00 New
      +5
      IT
      HOW TO UNDERSTAND?????

      Putin does not surrender Syria. If there is no HAziTO intervention, Assad will crush evil spirits. We don’t need to climb there ourselves, but we must not allow others to ...
      IMHO
    4. Sewer
      Sewer 26 May 2013 17: 09 New
      +1
      This is a duck! Fake, yellow press. There are a lot of names for this!
    5. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 May 2013 17: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      ONLY WHAT I READ, HOW TO UNDERSTAND IT ?????

      DESA !!!
      - http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/188564-britanskaya-gazeta-s-300-v-sirii-
      ne-budet-predstavitel-pravitelstva-izrailya-eto-skazki.html
    6. Vadivak
      Vadivak 26 May 2013 17: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Denis
      The Russian side refused to fulfill the order for the supply of anti-aircraft missile systems S-300 to Syria, ONLY WHAT I READ,


      Duc announced yesterday, the fact is that on Wednesday, May 22, the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved a bill on sanctions against countries that sell oil or weapons to the Bashar al-Assad regime.



  • Orchestrarant
    Orchestrarant 26 May 2013 16: 44 New
    0
    +++ No comment! smile
  • v53993
    v53993 26 May 2013 16: 47 New
    +3
    There would have been Stalin, there would have been no liberals, pederasts and other evil spirits.
    1. OTTO
      OTTO 26 May 2013 17: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: v53993
      There would have been Stalin, there would have been no liberals, pederasts

      Would they be, where would without them. If only they sat quietly, some in the kitchens, and some in the camps (where many of them have the place).
    2. sergo0000
      sergo0000 26 May 2013 17: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: v53993
      There would have been Stalin, there would have been no liberals, pederasts and other evil spirits.

      Where would they go !? winked They were with him, but they worked for the good of the country, not with their tongue and jo ... y, but with a pick and shovel at the construction sites of the national economy! Under very sensitive control! wink
  • Joker
    Joker 26 May 2013 16: 49 New
    +8
    In order to avoid such a split of views, people need an idea and a goal that would unite us and then no one will discuss whether to wear ribbons or not. Now we don’t have any purpose and are not foreseen, the people are divided, everyone pulls a blanket over himself, and besides, laziness (as it was written in today's article) is precisely this laziness and does not allow us to stand on our feet, all hands are lowered and sit, then one of the other follows, one is not a warrior in the field, it means you need to unite, create public organizations, overcome yourself and go to rallies for the nationalization of the Central Bank, the resignation of Livanov, if there is a wave of rallies in all the cities, then the government has nowhere to go. But for this you need to unite and overcome their laziness.
    1. Lion
      Lion 27 May 2013 02: 54 New
      +1
      In general, Putin needs the people to wake up and start to make their life better (within the framework of the law). And in order to do this, you need to have a Worldview to understand all the processes in the world and teach your people to understand this, to arrange the Cultural Revolution starting (otherwise there will be a war). Then the whole world itself will reach for the light. And finally globalization will be completed. repeat
  • Rezun
    Rezun 26 May 2013 16: 52 New
    +1
    John-with Papua ... You divorced them "cool. If you open your photo in black and white edition, generally scream!"

    Quote: Apollon
    djon3volta (2) Full name: Umboi Manam. [Add to the blacklist] Group: VisitorsRegistration date: October 20, 2012 13: 10Last visit: May 26, 2013 15:43 ICQ number: Residence: Papua New Guinea
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 26 May 2013 17: 45 New
    +1
    Enough about gosman, tired of it already. A sort of Herostratus of our time - one burned a masterpiece, the second about the rubbish of ancestors. Both made history. About patriotism: it doesn’t matter how you earned money, bought a ticket, went to a sporting event in England or Canada, waved a flag - a patriot. Only your structure pays taxes in the same London or Ottawa, and grannies with minimal pension are sitting - it’s as if outside the brackets.
  • Atlon
    Atlon 26 May 2013 18: 15 New
    0
    Yes ... The article is harmful.
  • sania0413
    sania0413 26 May 2013 19: 45 New
    +1
    I’ll leave a wonderful example of patriotism here))) [media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 4n8xIW1V7IM]
  • sania0413
    sania0413 26 May 2013 19: 46 New
    +5
    patriotism is an offense not to give the homeland. Here is an example)))
    1. astra
      astra 26 May 2013 20: 46 New
      +4
      Now they’ll go to Belarus vryatli))) Now they’re exploring Europe, they’ll go to Africa vryatli)))
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 26 May 2013 21: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: astra
        Now they’ll go to Belarus vryatli))) Now they’re exploring Europe, they’ll go to Africa vryatli)))

        In Chechnya, their in Chechnya, all at least some benefit from Chechnya.
    2. Stas
      Stas 26 May 2013 21: 14 New
      +5
      Belarusians-well done, do not give any seam .. or provocations to arrange. +++
    3. MG42
      MG42 27 May 2013 00: 13 New
      +7
      Femensham also inherited from the French >>
      An attempt by activists of the Ukrainian organization FEMEN to disrupt the march against gay marriage in Paris turned out to be a failure. Only the use of tear gas by police helped stop the beating of girls by members of the Catholic organization Civitas
  • starshina78
    starshina78 26 May 2013 22: 08 New
    +4
    Is patriotism true for those (liberals) and these (patriots - "patriots")? Liberals call themselves patriots for the sake of demand, that is, it is fashionable now to be patriots. Otherwise, they will not be accepted at all in Russia (liberalism in Russia is an abusive word, which is probably why Zhirinovsky refused the full name of the party, moving to an abbreviated name - LDPR). Their play with patriotism causes nothing but disgust. And what better patriots - "patriots"? Yes, nothing! In these, he manifests himself in wearing the St. George ribbon on Victory Day, screaming wherever possible about love "for native birches", and knocking on the chest, which they are patriots.
    At one time, in Russia, there were such people as Savva Morozov, Tretyakov, Ryabushinsy, Medvedev, and many others. They also had liberal views, but they did not talk about patriotism, but did things for the good of Russia and for Russia. They were all rich people, and they were not afraid to spend part of their capital on the construction of museums (many probably were in the Tretyakov Gallery), hospitals (everyone heard the Botkin Hospital), and many other deeds useful to Russia. Here is a manifestation of patriotism in action.
    And so, in Soviet times, patriotism was “above the roof”. A jump from agrarian Russia to an industrial state in the thirties of the twentieth century - is this not a manifestation of universal patriotism? Is the heroism and courage of Soviet people during the Great Patriotic War at the front and in the rear, rising to the attack with a cry "For the Motherland!", And standing at the machine for 16-18 hours - is this not patriotism? The restoration of the country, the atomic bomb and Gagarin in space - is this not patriotism? I think that he is real patriotism!
    Now there is no patriotism, but there is a semblance of it. On Victory Day, everyone becomes patriots. Everyone walks with St. George ribbons, give flowers to veterans, lay flowers at the monuments. And the next day? Patriotism ends! Someone discusses how to leave "from this Raska", someone sitting in the subway does not give way to a veteran who gave flowers yesterday, someone jokes over Russian cars and everything Russian, praising Mercedes and Audi, and no one no longer care about Russia. Do not be hypocritical, and agree that it is!
    And where does patriotism come from in our country? The president drives Merina, Duma deputies and officials on BMW and Merin, keep money abroad, thereby helping her darling, and consider Russia a “cash cow”, buy at home in London and Spain, artists all live in Miami, and in Russia they go “cut cabbage”, and we pay them for concerts, and then they take this money to American banks, and ordinary people, seeing all this, thinks: “But why love Russia - then? She’s me he doesn’t like letting an official scold me, scoff at an employer who bought a factory built by the whole world for vouchers, because they demand money from me for teaching my children at school and for visiting a doctor, because the children ride on one Ferrari "in Switzerland, hiding from the military registration and enlistment office, and my child should die in Chechnya, not understanding what is dying?" I have exaggerated a little paint, but there is some truth in my words. "patriots" can instruct me minuses, but you must admit that this is true!
    1. dmb
      dmb 27 May 2013 10: 58 New
      +1
      You wrote a lot, but on the case. This is actually evidenced by the deleted comment. For. if there is nothing to argue, they go to the matyuki. I don’t understand at all. why delete comments. "The crap of everyone should be visible," - so Peter the Great seemed to say. I understand that the intellectual abilities of some commentators are so high that they use obscene language instead of a link between the main words, but vice versa, but it would be more fun to read comments consisting of only dots.
      As for the topic itself, it is really not simple. Take the same Swamp. On the first day about 200 thousand came to her. Only lovers of dots can claim that they are all liberals, and United Russia is a symbol of patriotism and decency. Most people came to say that they are not. But when the “honest” Nemtsov with Kasyanov and Navalny with Sobchak burst onto the podium of the rally, the number of people at subsequent rallies dropped sharply. And this is not at all because people began to love EP and believed in its victory in the elections, but because they know the value of the above crooks. Now ask yourself, who benefits from these clowns at the head of the protest movement? You can answer in the style of a three-volt citizen, but without thinking.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 27 May 2013 11: 58 New
        0
        let me...

        a) United Russia - after the fact
        b) to the liberal tribunes and heralds - publicity
        c) the so-called "pocket opposition" - the same
        d) the US State Department - "divide and conquer"

        and thanks for the discussion with Dagestan 333 ... more precisely, for the logic to the peak of emotions ...
        we can only add that the state school, by definition, is a secular institution, and trying to bring the religious component to one degree or another is the prerogative of the state, not private individuals ...

        if the state does this in a balanced and balanced manner, then the space of unity will not decrease, that is, the area of ​​discord will not increase ...

        but this is our common goal, another thing is that it is easier initially to keep religious figures aside from the sphere of education, and to keep it (this sphere) in a rigid unchanged form, where all children of all nationalities and faiths are equal in everything ...

        the reason for such a risky step by the authorities, in my opinion, is obvious - this is an attempt to replenish spiritual education (bonds)
        1. dmb
          dmb 27 May 2013 12: 54 New
          +1
          Thank you for your assessment, but let's get back to the logic. Are teachers all spiritless? Or are all clergymen spiritual? I strongly doubt both the first and second. What do you see the balanced state, and symmetrical to what it should act. Sorry, but this is a wisdom. I know many atheists who are cleaner and more decent than individual citizens who baptize their foreheads or perform prayers. (I remind EBN that I just didn’t hurt my forehead about the icon, and Basayev prayed regularly five times a day). I think it will be logical and if a person feels a lack of spirituality in school, then he makes up for it in the church in his spare time from school. And if he was given a portion of spirituality in the directive order at school. and in your free time you can have a beer, it’s somehow not very.
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 27 May 2013 14: 47 New
            0
            "Are all teachers spiritless? Or are all clergymen spiritual? I strongly doubt both the first and the second."

            I, too, am very much in this, as well as in the opposite ...

            "What do you see the balanced state, and symmetrical to what it should act."

            I didn’t say that I see balance, but it is possible ... but for now we see cautious attempts of the so-called “initiative from above”

            (I want to say right away that almost all initiatives from above still end at best with half success, due to poor support from below)

            -symmetry - this is me 4 main faiths ...

            "Sorry, but this is a wisdom"

            -it is possible, but I assure you that in my words there is no speculation (speculativeness)

            “I know a lot of atheists who are cleaner and more decent than individual citizens who baptize their foreheads or perform prayers. (I remind the EBN that I just didn’t open my forehead about the icon, and Basayev prayed regularly five times a day).”

            -Comrade Posner very often uses the word "many", and the audience has the feeling that these "many" are the vast majority ...

            "I think it will be logical and if a person feels a lack of spirituality in school, then he makes up for it in the church in his spare time from school."

            -if you are talking about self-sufficient adults, then I absolutely agree with you ... I will add (as a believer) that JOINT camping trips to our native nature, to the theater, to the garage, to the celebration of May 9 ... are also useful ... for us - Orthodox - it is very important...

            "And if he was given a portion of spirituality in the directive order at school. And you can have a beer in your free time, then this is somehow not very."

            -and nothing to add, except perhaps ... it will be possible to speak of deliberation only after 20-30 years, we are at the very beginning ... but for now, I myself am watching this process with caution, just like you ...

            "there is an easy solution, but there is a right one"
            1. dmb
              dmb 27 May 2013 15: 49 New
              0
              The analogy with Posner is not entirely clear. If I give you a list of the names of my friends atheists, it is unlikely that he will tell you anything. Of the well-known, Alferov, say Roshal. Do you have a claim to their decency and spirituality? Regarding the evaluation of the decision. In my opinion, the decision to admit the church (any) to school was easy. Why it is wrong, I substantiated in a discussion with Magomed. I can only add that it is absurd in one lesson to talk about the divine origin of man, and right there at the next to recall Darwin. In this case, the knowledge system is opposed to faith. Well, how's that for a teenage mind? But the child does not come to the temple himself; his parents bring him there. And it is their duty to explain to the child how faith differs from knowledge, and why they believe that one does not contradict the other. I think you should not shift this parental responsibility onto the shoulders of the teaching staff even by introducing a priest into it.
              1. fisherman
                fisherman 27 May 2013 16: 29 New
                0
                “The analogy with Posner is not entirely clear. If I give you a list of the names of my atheist acquaintances, I’m unlikely to tell you something. Of the well-known, Alferov, Roshal says. Do you have any complaints about their decency and spirituality?”

                -no ... moreover, I can continue this series ...

                For completeness, I can give an example of the so-called "holy elders", I’m sure that you have no complaints against them ...

                "In my opinion, the decision to admit the church (any) to school was easy."

                -It's great that you have your own point of view ...

                "I can only add that it is absurd in one lesson to talk about the divine origin of man, and right there in the next to recall Darwin."

                knowledge is never complete (rephrased the main question of philosophy), which is why in the section "History" (knowledge of the past), for example, historical figures are evaluated from different angles ... this is the only fact that cannot be disputed :)

                "In this case, the knowledge system is opposed to faith"

                Sorry, but knowledge is almost always opposed to faith, there is only a miserable minimum for which a person can be 100% sure ...

                ". I think it’s not worth shifting this parental responsibility onto the shoulders of the teaching staff even by introducing a priest into it."

                I completely agree with this answer, however, I must add that this is an ideal position for an ideal state ... and any priest will support you in this endeavor ...

                "and always ask the truth from the people"
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 30 May 2013 16: 40 New
      0
      Quote: starshina78
      I have thickened a little paint, but there is some truth in my words
      Somehow contradictory perceived. Where did they thicken? And the share of truth is the share. Is it possible to write the whole truth in one post? Even the stabilization fund and the officially declared goals of its creation have not been mentioned. That is another masterpiece.
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  • YaRusich
    YaRusich 26 May 2013 15: 50 New
    +5
    The question is churned out very carefully.


    which the author did again, only from a different perspective. It is difficult to perceive sentences in which out of 5 words 6 are the same belay

    Patriotism (from Greek: patriótes - compatriot, patrís - homeland, fatherland), love for the fatherland, loyalty to him, the desire to serve his interests with his actions. P. - "... one of the most profound feelings enshrined by centuries and millennia of separate fatherland" (Lenin V.I., Poln. Sobr. Soch., 5th ed., Vol. 37, p. 190).

    Liberasts, by definition, are not patriots because they serve anyone, but not to their homeland ....
    Either you are a patriot of your homeland or not, there should not be any subjunctive moods.
    1. AdAAkRuSS
      AdAAkRuSS 26 May 2013 16: 17 New
      12
      Russophobe by definition cannot be a patriot of Russia.
      1. OTTO
        OTTO 26 May 2013 17: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: AdAAkRuSS
        Russophobe by definition cannot be a patriot of Russia.

        It’s hard to argue.
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 26 May 2013 18: 21 New
      +1
      Lenin?
      Well then, and this had to be copied from the Internet:
      Traditionally, the first liberal ideas belong to the era of antiquity, in particular, to the teachings of Socrates about the truth and his views on a just state
      Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of each person as the supreme value and establishes them as the legal basis of social and economic order. Moreover, the ability of the state and the church to influence the life of society is limited by the constitution. The most important freedoms in liberalism are freedom to speak out publicly, freedom to choose a religion, freedom to choose representatives in fair and free elections. In economic terms, the principles of liberalism are the inviolability of private property, freedom of trade and business. Legally, the principles of liberalism are the rule of law over the will of rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, position and influence. [1]
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 26 May 2013 19: 18 New
        -2
        I didn’t wait on the other branch, maybe you will answer ...

        re:

        "-the right of the individual (or the will of the individual or private freedom) VS public law (or public interests or for example collegiality) are eternal antagonists ... so, which of these principles is the primary source of despotism-totalitarianism-Stalinism? ..
        "
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 26 May 2013 21: 27 New
          0
          I can’t understand the meaning of the quote. Is it somehow more accessible?
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 26 May 2013 22: 51 New
            +4
            "the rule of law over the will of rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, status and influence. [1]"

            - this should be determined by a large mass of people (at all times), and not these or other individuals (always ask the people for truth)

            why exactly the people? .. because individuals unfortunately often have a desire to cheat, hiding behind the LETTER OF THE LAW, if necessary, I can give practical examples ...

            logic and only logic ... just in case, I recall "the address for correspondence" - "who thinks clearly - he clearly states" (Boileau)
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 26 May 2013 23: 21 New
              0
              if necessary, I can give practical examples ..
              and why? Does someone argue with you, or does not understand this?
              _______________________________________________________
              just in case, I remind you that "correspondence address" - "who thinks clearly - he clearly states"
              Your quote confirms this:
              "-the right of the individual (or the will of the individual or private freedom) VS public law (or public interests or for example collegiality) are eternal antagonists ... so, which of these principles is the primary source of despotism-totalitarianism-Stalinism? ..
              "
              1. fisherman
                fisherman 27 May 2013 02: 10 New
                0
                yes ... one of these principles (principle, idea, cult, creed .......) is the primary source of such well-known and banal phenomena as despotism, Stalinism and so on ...

                the question was rhetorical, everything is so obvious
        2. fisherman
          fisherman 26 May 2013 22: 54 New
          +1
          I’m not saying that it’s better to judge by actions, and not by one or another good blah blah ...
        3. Lion
          Lion 27 May 2013 03: 23 New
          0
          The individual's right is secondary to the collegiality of the entire civilization. A despot is one who puts himself above civilization, totalitarianism is generally out of place here, and Stalinism is the continuation of his great deeds, for the good of civilization !!!
      2. COBOK
        COBOK 27 May 2013 00: 17 New
        0
        the problem is that RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS are recognized as the highest value, and where are the responsibilities ???
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 27 May 2013 02: 15 New
          +1
          but it is necessary that it be the other way around, there are holy words, such as "duty, people, Fatherland ........" they are the semantic synonym of the word Love ...

          but there are "saints" for burry hitrovans-temporary workers of a word ... these are all words starting with I ... are synonymous with self-love (and the opposite vector, not for the neighbor, but for the beloved)
  • AdAAkRuSS
    AdAAkRuSS 26 May 2013 16: 14 New
    +2
    Something is no minuses, while liberals have not got here. laughing
    1. v53993
      v53993 26 May 2013 16: 51 New
      0
      Minus to minus will be a plus. Libreroids have a day off.
  • Armata
    Armata 26 May 2013 16: 15 New
    -7
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Hello patriots to Ur. I take patriotic seeds and sit down to look at the public.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 16: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Mechanic
      I take patriotic seeds and sit down to look at the public.

      Something I don’t recognize you, I don’t recognize you lately, Eugene gave you a plus, but really wanted to slap you a minus. Your komenty slipped to the level of a troll. I feel ashamed of you, I think you need to reconsider your point of view.
      1. Armata
        Armata 26 May 2013 16: 30 New
        +1
        Skin color turns green. and in general why rejoice then? I put a minus to the traitor of the motherland, without any regret.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 16: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Mechanic
          . and in general why rejoice then?

          Oh, well, it’s necessary, here the minus has flown from you, but it was worth it to leave only one comment to you. I’m returning Zhenechka to you, I didn’t think that you were capable of such cheap moves. MINUS !!!
          1. Armata
            Armata 26 May 2013 16: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Oh, well, it’s necessary, here the minus has flown from you, but it was worth it to leave only one comment to you. I’m returning Zhenechka to you, I didn’t think that you were capable of such cheap moves. MINUS !!!
            Romanov, you never knew anything. You always get out like 3 volt on rotten patriotism
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 16: 39 New
              -2
              Quote: Mechanic
              Romanov, you never knew anything.

              Oh, you’re our literate one, you would have been in turtles for a long time if you hadn’t been making a man out of yourself. But now I’m not surprised by your comments, all your rotten nature has climbed out. And you graduated from our institutes, and you call Ferman Ferman. Right are those who said that in science we are not the best people !!! Eternal minus
              1. Armata
                Armata 26 May 2013 16: 42 New
                -2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Oh, you’re our literate one, you would have been in turtles for a long time if you hadn’t been making a man out of yourself. But now I’m not surprised by your comments, all your rotten nature has climbed out. And you graduated from our institutes, and you call Ferman Ferman. Right are those who said that in science we are not the best people !!! Eternal minus
                Yes, and do not care. While the skulls are hanging on me
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 16: 57 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  While the skulls are hanging on me

                  Zhenechka, but this is a direct insult. That there is a violation of the rules of Sait!
                  Warning to you, Mr. Moderator and a well-deserved minus!
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 26 May 2013 17: 01 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Zhenechka, but this is a direct insult. That there is a violation of the rules of Sait!
                    Warning to you, Mr. Moderator and a well-deserved minus!

                    Yes, and do not care pseudopathy. No better than the Obama monkey.
                    1. Apollo
                      26 May 2013 17: 10 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Mechanic
                      Yes, and do not care pseudopathy. No better than the Obama monkey.


                      no comment. I asked for it myself laughing
                      1. Orchestrarant
                        Orchestrarant 26 May 2013 17: 13 New
                        +4
                        +++ Curly he is prettier! laughing
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 26 May 2013 17: 22 New
                        +4
                        Apollo! I can not send you a message in PM They say you're overworked hi
                      3. Armata
                        Armata 26 May 2013 17: 22 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Apollon
                        ez comments. I asked for it
                        And I like it))))))))))))))) Unlike you, he even achieved something.
                      4. Orchestrarant
                        Orchestrarant 26 May 2013 17: 25 New
                        +1
                        I also want to be born in Jamaica! laughing
                      5. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 33 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        Unlike you, he achieved at least something.

                        I will not even comment on this nonsense
              2. Foamas
                Foamas 26 May 2013 17: 00 New
                0
                Quote: Mechanic
                I take patriotic seeds and ...

                The main thing is not to choke winked
                ps
                LocomotiveI’ve been waiting for a list of 10 units from you for a year. according to pr.11661
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 21 New
                  0
                  Quote: FoMaS
                  Steam engine, I've been waiting for a list of 10 units from you for a year now. according to pr.11661

                  Well, as you know, they have been waiting for the promised 3 years, so I'm afraid you won’t get anything from the Mechanic. One blah blah blah and I know everything.
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 26 May 2013 17: 30 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    One blah blah blah and I know everything.

                    Guys and from what chain did everyone break? what Or is it to spice up a day off wassat
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 17: 40 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      Or is it to spice up a day off

                      Ruslan, yes, they revived, everyone could think about anyone, but not about Mehnik. The best option minus put and pass by. As a saying, don’t touch it.
                    2. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 26 May 2013 17: 42 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      yes revived

                      I honestly was stunned by such a pitch what
                2. w.ebdo.g
                  w.ebdo.g 26 May 2013 17: 51 New
                  +3
                  since the middle of this month all evil spirits have intensified not only on the Internet, but also in the North Caucasus and other regions of Russia.
                  there is a systematic offensive process to prepare public opinion.
                  preparing a mess in the near future.
                  therefore, on all sites that until then have sat peacefully and earned a reputation for their sensible statements, they begin to turn briskly through 180 degrees and become in the ranks of acupuncturers ...
                  therefore, it is not surprising that the mechanic behaves this way.
                  for subversive ideology, those who earned respect and rating are of particular value))))
                  I think so.
                  Sanya, hi!

                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 18: 16 New
                    0
                    Quote: w.ebdo.g
                    since the middle of this month all evil spirits have intensified not only on the Internet, but also in the North Caucasus and other regions of Russia.

                    Hello, Sergey! Do not say, just seeing the full moon affects the liberal public. For koment +, although judging by the fact that they put you cons. You are right and more than once.
                  2. djon3volta
                    djon3volta 26 May 2013 18: 43 New
                    +1
                    Quote: w.ebdo.g
                    preparing a mess in the near future.

                    According to "reliable" data received from opposition leaders (Neumann-
                    Nemtsov and Vanstein-Kasparov) around Triumfalnaya Square in
                    there are about 10 Topol-M complexes on the side streets ... there are also about 50 tanks of the Dzerzhinsky division camouflaged as intercity buses ... there are snipers on the roofs armed exclusively with the Igla MANPADS ... all, according to assurances Opposition leaders, around Triumfalnaya Square, are about 100 thousand military personnel, conspired by correspondents, janitors and ordinary walking citizens ...
                  3. Gemar
                    Gemar 26 May 2013 19: 08 New
                    +4
                    Quote: djon3volta
                    According to "reliable" data received from opposition leaders

                    Judging by the reaction of site visitors to your statements (rating), you yourself are in opposition here. So now prove to honest people that you are not a liberal! tongue
                  4. djon3volta
                    djon3volta 26 May 2013 19: 35 New
                    0
                    Quote: Gamar
                    You yourself are in opposition here.

                    what kind of opposition am I in? everyone already knows what kind of Putin am I. and the koment that you wrote about the mess has been spreading gossip, as well as the Germans about the Chechens who have been stationed, before the rallies in December 2011, 6 thousand Chechens arrived in rallies Moscow to disperse rallies, has anyone seen at least one Chechen at a rally? laughing
                    the same thing and you read koment launched into the network, they say the mess will be soon, like after the Olympics, a war will begin in the Caucasus laughing Are you Nastradamus or Wang? I believe that in America the civil war will begin soon, why did they pack 500 thousand plastic coffins and bought millions of rounds of ammunition? Are they preparing? Ahh, that's it ..
                    ps - if there is no news, I invent them. M. Twain.
                  5. Gemar
                    Gemar 26 May 2013 22: 31 New
                    +1
                    Quote: djon3volta
                    Are you Nastradamus or Wang? I believe that in America the civil war will begin soon, why did they pack 500 thousand plastic coffins and bought millions of rounds of ammunition? Are they preparing? Ahh, that's it ..

                    My dear man, I read your statements and I am scared for you ...
                    Quote: djon3volta
                    what kind of opposition am i in?

                    I repeat for particularly quick-witted:
                    Quote: Gamar
                    Judging by the reaction of site visitors to your statements (rating), you yourself are in opposition here.

                    You will guess that this is a joke of humor, or ... wassat
                    Quote: djon3volta
                    arrived in Moscow to disperse rallies

                    This is all .. We went with friends in Vladik to the New Year tree. Fortunately, some of them managed to get to know the heifers and go to the restaurant to eat ... Another Moscow riot police beat up mercilessly - "they say, they are against, you see, higher duties." Everyone did not care that the students were just walking. Once crowded (around the tree), then the opposition!
                    This is what I am for. Tie up with your paranoia about the opposition. It is not the opposition that is organizing terrorist attacks; it is not the opposition that they are distributing Russian lands to the Chinese; not the opposition are selling drugs. Understand that in a country without "liberalists" .. there is enough. hi
                  6. V. Salama
                    V. Salama 30 May 2013 17: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: Gamar
                    Once crowded (around the tree), then the opposition!
                    This is what I am for. Tie up with your paranoia about the opposition. It is not the opposition that is organizing terrorist attacks; it is not the opposition that they are distributing Russian lands to the Chinese; not the opposition are selling drugs. Understand that in a country without "liberalists" .. there is enough.

                    A good conclusion, plus definitely. For completeness of the description of the situation, I want to add that not all oppositionists are “liberalists” and, of course, but they are put on the same shelf with the guns and the like. It is very convenient and, many, it seems normal, are being conducted. It's a shame, however.
  • tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 26 May 2013 17: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: Mechanic
    Romanov, you never knew anything. You always get out like 3 volt on rotten patriotism

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Oh, you’re our literate one, you would have been in turtles for a long time if you hadn’t been making a man out of yourself. But now I’m not surprised by your comments, all your rotten nature has climbed out. And you graduated from our institutes, and you call Ferman Ferman. Right are those who said that in science we are not the best people !!! Eternal minus

    Hmm, and when they were friends.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 18: 16 New
      -2
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Hmm, and when they were friends.

      I am ashamed to recall this.
    2. Armata
      Armata 26 May 2013 18: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Hmm, and when they were friends.
      When?
    3. Arberes
      Arberes 26 May 2013 18: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Hmm, and when they were friends.

      It was recently, it was a long time ago!
  • evfrat
    evfrat 26 May 2013 17: 21 New
    +2
    Your minus will play a big role in his life)
  • treskoed
    treskoed 26 May 2013 16: 24 New
    +3
    homosexuality is taken out of the closet, and patriotism is hidden there

    O tempora! O mores! O times! Oh manners!
  • Hleb
    Hleb 26 May 2013 16: 27 New
    +3
    very interesting opinion!
    and yes, one should not always judge liberal thought according to Gozman and the like
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 26 May 2013 19: 22 New
      +5
      yes ... it’s better to judge not by words, but by deeds ...

      True, there are situations where the word is an act ...
  • AlSuGe777
    AlSuGe777 26 May 2013 16: 33 New
    10
    Patriotism is still a willingness to sacrifice part of one’s beliefs and aspirations in the name of the Motherland, and “love of the Motherland” is just a declaration of one’s intentions. Therefore, there are no types and subspecies of patriotism, there is only one single Patriotism. If you are ready to sacrifice something for the good of the Motherland, then you are the Patriot.
    1. OTTO
      OTTO 26 May 2013 17: 40 New
      0
      I agree to all 100. +
    2. fisherman
      fisherman 26 May 2013 19: 23 New
      -1
      - the right of the individual (or the will of the individual or private freedom) VS public law (or public interests or eg collegiality) are eternal antagonists ... so, which of these principles is the primary source of despotism-totalitarianism-Stalinism? ..

      I asked this question on another branch, I did not wait for an answer :))
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 30 May 2013 18: 08 New
        0
        Quote: fisherman
        ... and so, which of these principles is the primary source of despotism-totalitarianism-Stalinism? .. I asked this question on another branch, I did not wait for an answer :)
        None and any of the following. If this question torments you so much, I can express my opinion, provided that we remove “Stalinism” from this triad, it’s not the topic here, definitely.

        "Eternal antagonists" are the interests of the individual, society and the state, which are supposed to be balanced by the joint efforts of the country's government. The state is the main subject of governance, and is an instrument for protecting the interests of the ruling class, and therefore is an instrument for suppressing the non-dominant class. In the general case, the elite are always representatives of the ruling class. We are talking about “despotism-totalitarianism” (by the way, the second term will also not be all clear if we refer to the primary sources) only when the balance of interests is violated and the rights of the majority in the interests of the minority (general case) or the rights of, say, minorities in some cases are violated. In this case, the source of despotism is the public interest. In an antagonistic class society (from history), not the entire population (slaves in ancient Greece) is a people and, therefore, in our understanding, a society. However, regardless of the presence of a dictator or a collective government body, these are people, individuals, and if in the process of public administration their corporate interest (caring for a decent degree of remuneration for their unproductive labor, for example) comes to the fore, then in this case the primary source of despotism whether the will of the individual - the person whose prerogative is the final decision-making or even a relatively small group in collusion. Here, it is possible to neglect the insignificant - at the base is the usurpation of opportunities for the dictate of personal needs over social ones. In short, you can get away from personality weaknesses that are not limited by barriers. Stalin only once in a thousand years are born. Here I probably lied - they are born more often, only they are not always torn to power or are torn, but they do not get it. I think so.
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 30 May 2013 18: 52 New
          0
          PS Anticipating a possible question, I note that even in a class society, performing the functions of suppression, the state punishes the ruling class representatives who have violated the laws - there are classic examples in the textbooks of popular philosophy (we are not talking about modern Russia, the country at this stage of its development is not our subject analysis), as well as other individuals or large groups of people at once (suppressing riots, for example), regardless of nationality, and all this is in the public interest. So the example of the resettlement of peoples under Stalin does not put in the proposed triad. At least until the public recognition of the absence of the most urgent need in this decision at that time. From a position of resettled, this is unfair. From the position of any person, the relocation of the truly innocent of them is also unfair (was it possible to avoid this injustice in that situation?). From the standpoint of the interests of all the people of the country, I don’t know, because I don’t have the fullness of information on the specific historical situation. Let historians prove: the period of Stalinism is a period of despotism or not. According to the information that I rated as reliable, Stalin is no more a tyrant than any commander in wartime conditions. What am I, read the research on this issue by the ardent anti-adviser N. Starikov
  • v53993
    v53993 26 May 2013 16: 33 New
    +3
    Strange disputes are about patriotism. Sometimes you stop understanding what people are arguing about. The so-called patriots and the so-called liberals argue about this:

    "We love Russia." "And we love and want good for her!" "But you do not respect Russian history!"


    Aesop once said: "I know that I don’t know anything, but they don’t even know that." This is me about liberoids.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 27 May 2013 02: 34 New
      0
      Quote: v53993
      Aesop once said: "I know that I don’t know anything, but they don’t even know that." This is me about liberoids.

      Socrates.
  • v53993
    v53993 26 May 2013 16: 44 New
    +7
    Patriotism is the love of the motherland and the willingness to defend it to the last breath. Liberals, this is not characteristic by definition.
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 26 May 2013 16: 55 New
    +5
    “There is only one freshness - the first, it is the last,” as Comrade Woland used to say. Patriotism either exists or does not exist, everything else is “patriots-patriots”, “patriots-liberals”, etc., from the Evil One .
  • slaventi
    slaventi 26 May 2013 16: 58 New
    +3
    Even in the Russo-Japanese War of the 1904-1905 years, Russian liberals wanted to defeat Russia in the war.The liberal cannot be a patriot, he despises his country, is ashamed of his traditions, is ready to sell his homeland for thirty silver coins. I hope the time will come when we will get rid of liberal liberals.
    1. lyuboyan
      lyuboyan 26 May 2013 17: 41 New
      +1
      [quote = slaventi] Back in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, Russian liberals wanted Russia's defeat in the war.

      Yes ... And the Bolsheviks in World War I sincerely wished for the defeat of Russia. Not so simple. But we must talk about love for our homeland. As always true patriots and true sons of the Fatherland have always done. For example, Sergey Yesenin; “I LOVE THE HOMELAND. I VERY LOVE THE MOTHERLAND ... ”Notice, without an exclamation mark, quietly, but firmly.
  • mogus
    mogus 26 May 2013 17: 13 New
    0
    something began to meet girls who instead of dolls choose cars, the railway, but here patriotism is obviously too much
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    2. Day 11
      Day 11 26 May 2013 17: 38 New
      -1
      Photo-super! At the current level of homosexuals (sorry, liberal values), by 2020 only our daughters and my son will protect the country!
    3. Genady1976
      Genady1976 26 May 2013 17: 40 New
      0
      the boys mow down from the army and the girls will go to serve the motherland
      1. MG42
        MG42 26 May 2013 19: 12 New
        +6
        Quote: Genady1976
        girls will go to serve the motherland

        Homeland is written with a capital letter.
        1. Genady1976
          Genady1976 26 May 2013 19: 19 New
          +3
          I am not Russian, I have a 100% discount
          but I’ve been living in Russia all my life and am proud of it
    4. Day 11
      Day 11 26 May 2013 18: 05 New
      0
      And thrashes with the MG-42. Is it true? Or am I wrong?
      1. Genady1976
        Genady1976 26 May 2013 18: 28 New
        0
        Yes (Maschinengewehr 42) and I didn’t stop it right away
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 May 2013 18: 36 New
          -2
          Quote: Den 11
          And pounding with MG-42

          Quote: Genady1976
          Yes (Maschinengewehr 42) and I didn’t stop it right away


          Or maybe MG3? In short, not a "nashenskaya" girl ... or maybe this is a "liberal" boy?
          1. mogus
            mogus 26 May 2013 18: 50 New
            +1
            maybe dad gave the trophy wink
            1. svp67
              svp67 26 May 2013 18: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: mogus
              maybe dad gave the trophy

              Then - great-grandfather ... And this is a heirloom ... Well, "in every hut - its toys"
          2. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 26 May 2013 20: 56 New
            0
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Den 11
            And pounding with MG-42

            Quote: Genady1976
            Yes (Maschinengewehr 42) and I didn’t stop it right away


            Or maybe MG3? In short, not a "nashenskaya" girl ... or maybe this is a "liberal" boy?

            This girl, girl, not boy. He lives in America. And with a machine gun - it's dad pampers her, recently, so she bought a new rifle.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 26 May 2013 20: 58 New
              0
              Some kind of "machine-gun festival"? I heard that Americans are doing this. You need to pay only for cartridges.
            2. svp67
              svp67 26 May 2013 21: 00 New
              0
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              This girl, girl, not boy. He lives in America. And with a machine gun - it's dad pampers her, recently, so she bought a new rifle.
              Well, it happens with dads, they themselves didn’t “play enough” in childhood, and they’re buying any “muck”
            3. svp67
              svp67 26 May 2013 21: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              it's dad pampers her


              But this is no longer for toys ...

    5. svp67
      svp67 26 May 2013 18: 22 New
      0
      Quote: mogus
      something began to meet girls who instead of dolls choose cars, the railway, but here patriotism is obviously too much

      Yes, something in this world has clearly changed and I think not for the better negative
      1. mogus
        mogus 26 May 2013 18: 54 New
        0
        it always has been, a generation of parents does not accept the direction of offspring request
        my generation has some loss (30 years), but it’s understandable how they weren’t lost at all ... in the 90s
    6. svp67
      svp67 26 May 2013 18: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: mogus
      something began to meet girls who choose cars instead of dolls,

      And it all starts with this
    7. MG42
      MG42 26 May 2013 19: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: mogus
      the place of the dolls is chosen by cars, the railroad, but here patriotism is obviously too much

      and where in this photo did you see <patriotism> what does it express here in your opinion?
      Quote: Den 11
      pounding Is it true? Or am I wrong?

      Have you heard about the recoil in this machine gun?
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 26 May 2013 20: 18 New
        0
        Of course I heard more than that! But it's just a photo. Want to discuss?
        1. MG42
          MG42 26 May 2013 20: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Den 11
          . Want to debate?

          No. This is not a discussion, and the bazaar is off topic.
          On the topic of the branch = your position is clear >> here are your answers to the topic << How Ivan Kozhedub shot down the Americans >>
          Quote: Den 11
          I’m talking about it! I’m just enraged by this “cheers-patriotism.” We’ll tear everyone, we’ll break everyone! We need to learn from our enemies!

          Quote: Den 11
          I just want to convey that we were not the “coolest” in the Air Force. We need to learn from our enemies! And Luftwaffe pilots do not need to be recorded in the SS-vtsy (only that Rudel is a rare scum)! Amers were famous for shooting down on parachute the Germans, the Germans (the bulk), never! They considered it below their dignity! And rightly so !!!

          Quote: Den 11
          It is interesting, what would be the outcome of the war if Japan attacked us at the same time (1941)? One can only guess! One thing is for sure: there would be a complete asshole! I hope this is not necessary to prove?
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 26 May 2013 22: 04 New
            -3
            Well, what did you want to prove with this (quoting my quotes)? I don’t refuse one iota! Do you disagree with something? Let's argue! Without going over to the person and on the topic!
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 May 2013 20: 52 New
        0
        Quote: MG42
        Have you heard about the recoil in this machine gun?

        Is she very big? More than 16 gauge duck shot? And then I shot from this in the second grade. Standing with a horn.
        1. MG42
          MG42 26 May 2013 20: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Is she very big?

          For this girl is great, study the materiel >> for the brigades of the << tankers >> a branch about patriotism, write on the topic or in PM. A question for a question you yourself know who answers.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 May 2013 21: 08 New
            +1
            So how big? So much so that you begin to rush on all in a row?

            To write about patriotism? This is not particularly interesting. Philosophy, etit her. And here is a specific example: a girl learns to be a patriot and respect the US Constitution, the second amendment.
            This is for Americans one of the pillars of the state.
            1. MG42
              MG42 26 May 2013 21: 16 New
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              So much so that you begin to rush on all in a row?

              No i'm calm wink
              Quote: Spade
              To write about patriotism? This is not particularly interesting.

              It is about patriotism, and the branch about it is relevant today.
              Quote: Spade
              And here is a concrete example: a girl learns to be a patriot and respect the US Constitution for the second amendment.
              This is for Americans one of the pillars of the state.

              A little girl with a machine gun looks crazy = I don’t see any patriotism ..
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 May 2013 21: 52 New
                -1
                Quote: MG42
                It is about patriotism, and the branch about it is relevant today.

                What is relevant? Thousands of hamsters beating their heels in the chest with yelling "I'm a patriot"? Because is it fashionable?
                I watched yesterday a local television broadcast of “patriots” in our country. Not enough turners and milling people

                Quote: MG42
                A little girl with a machine gun looks crazy = I don’t see any patriotism ..

                And for the Americans, the children’s guard of honor at the Eternal Flame look delusional.
                They have their own traditions, we have our own.
                Although how to say, my sister was the first to shoot a machine gun at 15.
                1. MG42
                  MG42 26 May 2013 22: 09 New
                  +4
                  Patriotism must be educated from childhood, but not with a machine gun must begin ...
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 26 May 2013 22: 28 New
                    +1
                    Quote: MG42
                    Patriotism must be educated from childhood, but not with a machine gun must begin ...

                    Why not? Here I am, for example, at the shooting ranges from kindergarten. As a result, my parents did not succeed in driving me to the institute; I went to the school to continue the dynasty.
                    And I started with a machine gun
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 26 May 2013 22: 46 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Spade
                      Why not?

                      You need to start with fairy tales and cartoons, at that age, good kind ones, just instill in your child a love for the Motherland, tell and show. Who grew up in the USSR remembers the pioneer camps perfectly, how everything was set there in terms of patriotism, before the school there were October students, high school students of the Komsomol, etc.
                      In the end, that there should be Santa Claus from Veliky Ustyug, and not Santa Claus from Lapland, etc.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 26 May 2013 22: 55 New
                        -4
                        Yeah. Tales, cartoons, pioneer camps, October camps, pioneers, Komsomol members ... A huge propaganda machine. With a huge staff. Which the USSR could not save.
                        Moreover, those former October Revolutionaries, pioneers and Komsomol members tore to pieces the Power ...

                        Better a machine gun, it is more reliable.
                      2. MG42
                        MG42 26 May 2013 23: 16 New
                        +4
                        In this case, the Kalash will fit, then Santa, mycimaus and gays ..
            2. CTEPX
              CTEPX 27 May 2013 08: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: MG42
              A little girl with a machine gun looks crazy = I don’t see any patriotism ..

              Here is our patriotism))
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca67YZRaXpE
      3. Day 11
        Day 11 26 May 2013 22: 18 New
        +2
        7,92-return of course there is, but believe me very tolerant. Even aiming can be naughty
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 26 May 2013 20: 22 New
    0
    In what form she is! She would have stuck a target on her forehead, any sniper would get it.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 26 May 2013 20: 40 New
      0
      Do you want to explain this to a 12-year-old girl?
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 26 May 2013 23: 43 New
    0
    this American machine gun contrasts very cool with the pink hare headphones laughing there is a smoke and a smoke coming from the machine gun and if you look closely, the sleeve flies out well, don’t believe that a little girl, pressing a blanket against the leader, puts pressure on the machine gun’s hook and you understand that after that there will be this action in the strange snowy-muddy place, obviously not American base laughing just do davolno awkward photo at first glance do not find a lot of discrepancies? photoshop is fine but of high quality, you’ll excuse me, I’ve just been creating such pictures for a poem, looking at the site, I immediately fell down on this photo and noticed inconsistencies in the photo.hi I could be wrong but ...
  • bubla5
    bubla5 26 May 2013 17: 27 New
    +2
    Patriotism starts from your yard, as it used to be, try to smoke in front of older boys, about drinking and not talking, from friendship in the yard, playing football and hockey for 8 hours in a row and so on, and now beer was taught, at best, slurp over the past decades and want to wean and instill a love for the homeland in a year, it does not happen
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 26 May 2013 17: 35 New
    +1
    A symbol of hope. The time has come ...

    We are brothers and sisters of a single family working and serving, following our ancestors, who dreamed of happiness and justice, a peaceful, well-fed, free, dignified and joyful life in a union of non-Western peoples, we believe in the imminent transformation of our Fatherland into the Kingdom of Truth predicted by the prophets ".

    The truth is always bitter. And bitterness in the hearts of people grows from the fact that the power of all branches has forgotten about honor. In pursuit of profit, entrepreneurs are rapidly losing their conscience. And the people, in their innocence, fell into stupid indifference, mischievously called the strange word "tolerance."

    The slogan of power about the "triumph of the law" is in fact undermined by pervasive bribery. And in the appeal of the opposition: “Down with the regime of crooks and thieves” there is no sincerity of the righteous.

    The beautiful words of the European constitution, cut out in a logical and convincing way, do not warm the soul, for “they wanted the best,” but in reality, “as always,” they got something completely different: under the cover of the gracious phrase about “human rights,” vile permissiveness crawled. Love is impoverished. Faith is undermined. There remains the hope that dies last. And - a miracle: the heart of the people still hopes that good will be called good, and for evil - justice will be the answer.

    It is hoped that, by the Will of Heaven, the Spirit of Justice will fall upon the crafty illusion of a “feast of life” with the sword of punishment “according to their works”. By judgment and punishment he will clear the path of virtue: strengthen the spirit, enlighten thought, comfort the soul, invigorate the relaxed flesh into a common cause for the common good.

    Hope in our family of peoples of different faiths and customs is associated with the coming to the top of the country's power “with the name short Russia” of the Leader-Father, a loving people, stern and fair. For the reprisal against evil by the people themselves is carried out in our country not by a decisive vote on party lists, but as a sudden "rebellion, senseless and merciless."

    In fulfillment of this hope, we, reasonable from the people, in accordance with the constitutionally granted right to assembly, have created the Council of All the Earth of the Russian state. A public organization for the preparation of the Zemsky Sobor and the organization of the solemn endowment of the head of state - the Sovereign - with the heavy crown of the yoke of the Tsar of Truth that was foreseen for Russia for a short time.
    http://www.peremeny.ru/books/osminog/7663#more-7663
    1. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 26 May 2013 19: 42 New
      0
      I agree, only you need to speak shorter and more understandable for people.
  • MG42
    MG42 26 May 2013 18: 05 New
    +2
    The theme song was remembered ..

    R \ S Liberal lives by the principle of well where we are not ..
  • Yazov
    Yazov 26 May 2013 18: 28 New
    0
    ,, Someone sitting abroad, on holidays, drinks vodka under dumplings, sings alone war songs and writes patriotic posts in LJ. Also love. ,,
    This is not patriotism, this is nostalgia! The author you are wrong !!!
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 26 May 2013 18: 30 New
    +7
    Guys You still begin to measure by pipisky! Everyone has their own opinion and do not slide down to insults.
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 26 May 2013 18: 36 New
      +2
      that's it drinks WORLD FRIENDSHIP GUM
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 26 May 2013 19: 41 New
      +4
      You still begin to measure pipiski!

      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 26 May 2013 20: 16 New
        +3
        - Vladimir Volfovich?
        - What do you want? What do you want?
        - Vladimir Volfovich, you said if you are elected president
        all Russians will be free. What does it mean?
        - Are you a citizen of Russia? Are you a citizen of Russia?
        - Yes, I am a citizen of Russia.
        - Free! I said, free!
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 26 May 2013 20: 47 New
          +1
          yes, just a little different:

          Do you live in a free country?
          Da
          -free!
  • shinobi
    shinobi 26 May 2013 18: 33 New
    +4
    Once, in my early youth, having read the “golden calf” I met the image of a Russian liberal there. Vasisualiy Lokhankin! To tell the truth, I just laughed not particularly understanding the perfect accuracy of describing the essence of liberalism as a phenomenon. Now, 30 years later, I am amazed at the accuracy of the description of our liberals.

    PS: By the way, there is also given a recipe for dealing with this phenomenon.
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  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 26 May 2013 18: 36 New
    +2
    Well, you said: liberals are patriots, and they are also democrats. Yes, they are just a 5th column among us. That's why they are ashamed of their homeland.
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 26 May 2013 18: 51 New
    +2
    I hope everyone knows by patriots wink

    Russia is our sacred state
    Russia is our favorite country.
    Mighty will, great glory -
    Your wealth for all time!

    Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
    The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
    Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
    Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!

    From the southern seas to the polar region
    Spread our forests and fields.
    You alone in the world! You are the only one -
    God's native land!

    Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
    The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
    Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
    Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!

    Wide space for dreams and for life
    The future is open to us for years.
    Our loyalty to the Fatherland gives us strength.
    It was so, so it is and always will be so!

    Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
    The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
    Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
    Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!
  • Borat
    Borat 26 May 2013 18: 57 New
    0
    In general, I agree. But why should patriotism be flashy and brainless !?
    Brainless, as in the photo indicated in the article: there is a child with a flag LIKE LIKE the flag of his native country (there is no double-headed eagle on the flag of the Russian Federation, he is on the president’s standard), and the St. George ribbon is tied to the pole (a sign of the warrior’s valor on the battlefield, which is worthy of the participant Afghan or Chechen war, but not a child). Or the rally on Victory Day in a car with a black-yellow-white flag of the Romanovs - this is already generally no way ...
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 26 May 2013 19: 19 New
    +1
    Attitude to this article. It feels as if a bad boy is probing the opinions of other boys ... the author offended me a little: he wants to put everything in chests. But in general, such articles smell of rot ... My opinion is: patriotism, this is when the enemy is in the face for the Motherland. The rest is from the crafty, or chatter, of our Western "partners" who sleep and dream when they gouge Russia. This article contributes to this ... I think that the author of the article is masculine, that is, not a sheep, probably a male sheep
    1. Oboz
      Oboz 26 May 2013 21: 04 New
      0
      FINE!!!!!
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 26 May 2013 19: 29 New
    +1
    Patriotism is the last refuge of villains (I didn’t think it seems to be Churchill) This expression fully refers to Russian politicians. For them, patriotism is a product that they sell and earn money from it. Many of them have dual citizenship. And true patriots live outside the MKAD. In their midst, it is not customary to flaunt their patriotic feelings, and even earn political capital on this.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 May 2013 19: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Denis
    The Russian side refused to fulfill the order for the supply of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria, The Sunday Times reports citing a senior official who wished to remain anonymous.

    According to the official, during a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the question was raised that Russian launchers could fall into the hands of anti-Israeli rebel groups. Those, in turn, can use weapons against Russian civilian liners that land or take off at Ben Gurion International Airport in Israel.
    The Russian side refused to supply weapons to Syria on the condition that Israel refrain from further air attacks in Syria.
    The contract for the supply of four launchers was concluded in 2010. Last year, at the request of Israel, Russia postponed the transfer of the first batch of S-300 to Syrian government forces.
    Read more on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/news/239701-rossiya-otkazalas-postavlyat-v-siriyu-raketno-z

    enitnye-kompleksy-s300
    ONLY WHAT I READ, HOW TO UNDERSTAND IT ?????

    S-400 will supply ... laughing
  • Vtel
    Vtel 26 May 2013 19: 45 New
    +2
    I admit that a person of liberal views carries a love for his homeland

    I do not argue, but I would like to clarify which one. Russia and liberalism are different poles, Russia is from God and for God, and kosher libers from their greed and for their own selfishness. True patriots will only show themselves in the real case. Glory to Russia!
  • Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 26 May 2013 19: 57 New
    +5
    On May 26, 1829, the 18th cannon brig "Mercury", under the command of Captain-Lieutenant A. Kazarsky, patrolling in the Bosphorus region, fought with the Turkish squadron, 10 times superior to the brig "Mercury" in guns and destroyed two Turkish battleships. At the monument in Sevastopol, in honor of the brig "Mercury" is written shortly, but clearly, "To the descendants as an example." In honor of the feat, the honorary guard flag was handed for the first time, and St. George's black-and-orange, gunpowder and flame, ribbon for sailors.
    Equal to THESE PATRIOTS. HONOR and GLORY of Russia. St. George ribbon-HOLY SYMBOL of patriotism and feat of our people.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 May 2013 20: 07 New
    +5
    Oh Russia !!! forever we rush from one extreme to another. I remember in the recent past the word "patriot" was abusive .. Now a patriot sits on a patriot and drives a patriot)))) No matter how we patriot again .. !!! In Russia, a certain circle of society has already formed which, as they say, "keeps its nose up to the wind" who knows how to say what is expected of them .. Real patriots, silently grinning their teeth, work at the machine tools in the field, drive the unclean in the mountains and not for money and do not beat themselves in the chest ..that is something I wanted to say
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 26 May 2013 20: 10 New
    +2
    A liberal cannot be a patriot, patriotism is a duty and responsibility, and liberalism rejects duties in relation to a country, state, and people.
    The liberals have no Fatherland, this is unacceptable, as it imposes obligations.
  • individual
    individual 26 May 2013 20: 31 New
    +3
    Patriotism and liberalism is like gender separation by gender. It all starts with the family.
    A cell of society where vaccines are grafted from diapers public interest and the values ​​of the homeland will for the most part educate the patriot.
    Cosmopolitan families inculcate other values. Personal Benefits and DOT.
    The rest is not for them. They bring up the adaptist - the individualist.
    Realizing their inferiority, these individuals get into aggressive packs and dictate their installations to society through their media, radio, and television.
    Since they oppose the official policy of the state, having links with foreign intelligence agencies have a financial and ideological resource incomparable with patriots.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 26 May 2013 20: 53 New
      +2
      yes ... right on target ...

      re:

      "" intellectual (western concept) - a person who does everything for his success, his career

      intellectual (eastern concept) - a person who does everything to stay in any situation as a person "

      here, there is often a substitution of concepts, that is, they are trying to call us modern-day parasites, nihilists, office careerists, glamorous white-bellied artists and other creative people, as intelligentsia ....

      but they are ordinary intellectuals ... "
  • Chukcha
    Chukcha 26 May 2013 20: 33 New
    +2
    A sense of kinship connects you with the earth, history, people, literature and music, with language - the spiritual and material cosmos in which you took place, and you yourself are a complex system of spiritual and material connections.


    Very well said.
    Article plus.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 May 2013 21: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: individ
    Patriotism and liberalism is like gender separation by gender. It all starts with the family.
    A cell of society where vaccines are grafted from diapers public interest and the values ​​of the homeland will for the most part educate the patriot.
    Cosmopolitan families inculcate other values. Personal Benefits and DOT.
    The rest is not for them. They bring up the adaptist - the individualist.
    Realizing their inferiority, these individuals get into aggressive packs and dictate their installations to society through their media, radio, and television.
    Since they oppose the official policy of the state, having links with foreign intelligence agencies have a financial and ideological resource incomparable with patriots.

    Correctly written !! We adults understand that .. They’re processing our children now .. Internet cartoons .. I don’t mind the Internet, of course, and so on .. but there is a global brainwashing .. these gay parades are gay marriage .. the media are worried about it all day and night. .Children are listening to this .. questions are being asked ..
  • Wild boar
    Wild boar 26 May 2013 21: 01 New
    +2
    The author in the article (at the end) expressed an extremely important idea - liberalism is not a belief system, and not a theory - liberalism is a new anthropological type of human being.
    It was they who were put in camps (and even shot) in the 30s on the eve of the great war.
    Perhaps that is why they hate Stalin so zoologically. But did anyone in the history of wars stop the enemy in a democratic fashion?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 May 2013 21: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Boar
    The author in the article (at the end) expressed an extremely important idea - liberalism is not a belief system, and not a theory - liberalism is a new anthropological type of human being.
    It was they who were put in camps (and even shot) in the 30s on the eve of the great war.
    Perhaps that is why they hate Stalin so zoologically. But did anyone in the history of wars stop the enemy in a democratic fashion?

    Well, you bent .. hehe provocateur Tipo .. ??
  • My address
    My address 26 May 2013 21: 57 New
    +3
    Liberte, egalite, fraternite! Freedom equality Brotherhood! This is the slogan of the Great French Revolution. Liberal is an advocate of freedom, but what does the word "freedom" mean? I remembered what Marxist-Leninist philosophy taught me at the university, and looked on the Internet for various definitions of the word. So our Egorov Gaidar, Gozman and Nemtsov with red can not be called liberals, you get the substitution of concepts. It is necessary to formalize their philosophical and economic definition of LIBERASTS. This definition has been around for a long time, it’s right to determine the addiction of these ... to ....
    I noticed that the article has six minuses. "Who walks right there? Left! Left!" Who remembers, this is from the "Left March" of Mayakovsky.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 May 2013 22: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: My address
    Liberte, egalite, fraternite! Freedom equality Brotherhood! This is the slogan of the Great French Revolution. Liberal is an advocate of freedom, but what does the word "freedom" mean? I remembered what Marxist-Leninist philosophy taught me at the university, and looked on the Internet for various definitions of the word. So our Egorov Gaidar, Gozman and Nemtsov with red can not be called liberals, you get the substitution of concepts. It is necessary to formalize their philosophical and economic definition of LIBERASTS. This definition has been around for a long time, it’s right to determine the addiction of these ... to ....
    I noticed that the article has six minuses. "Who walks right there? Left! Left!" Who remembers, this is from the "Left March" of Mayakovsky.

    The most interesting thing is that everyone understands that these "unsinkable comrades" are everywhere in the media ... in the boxes ... waiting in the wings again .. to tear Russia apart and gnawing each other while sharing the skins of an unkilled bear ...
  • Semurg
    Semurg 26 May 2013 22: 44 New
    +1
    Patriotism begins with trifles, here on the site "patriots of Russia" often appear under non-Russian nicknames and are often written in latin letters. This is when patriotic thoughts are expressed under a Russian nickname for example (boar) somehow more faith to him, but when under a nickname like (Rus500) less faith. It’s because the nickname is chosen independently based on something, it’s clear when some young man has a reverence for the West, and when a person writes that he is already a pensioner and a patriot and then the nickname for Europe does not fit or the nickname is incorrect or he is not a pensioner and not quite a patriot. Maybe I'm wrong. imho
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 26 May 2013 22: 51 New
    0
    Guys, no need to bathe. This article was written (I think so) by an intelligent CIA agent. So calm down, I suggest discussing other publications
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 26 May 2013 23: 12 New
      0
      E do not tell Ivanovich "The armor is strong and our tanks are fast" we already passed this in 41 and in the 90s ... it’s too early to calm down ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 May 2013 23: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Semurg
    Patriotism begins with trifles, here on the site "patriots of Russia" often appear under non-Russian nicknames and are often written in latin letters. This is when patriotic thoughts are expressed under a Russian nickname for example (boar) somehow more faith to him, but when under a nickname like (Rus500) less faith. It’s because the nickname is chosen independently based on something, it’s clear when some young man has a reverence for the West, and when a person writes that he is already a pensioner and a patriot and then the nickname for Europe does not fit or the nickname is incorrect or he is not a pensioner and not quite a patriot. Maybe I'm wrong. imho

    Nick, of course, says a lot, but you shouldn’t judge by it .. read and analyze the main thing with your own head .. faith and love for the Motherland should be deep down in your soul .. and don’t let anyone out there .. you will dig out and you won’t notice
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  • Lynx
    Lynx 26 May 2013 23: 15 New
    +2
    Thank you very much for the article. Now much has become clear.
    I managed to be born in an era when the meaning of the word Patriot has to be clarified ..
    Now such situations are frequent when you say - I love my country, I’m a patriot, and so much is pouring on you ... and that if you go to look in the dictionary, maybe something has already changed there ..

    The information war, the substitution of concepts is scary. So you can easily convince young people that patriotism is bad .. Probably, they bring up universal people.

    fishermanThanks for the definition. I'll write to myself.
    How pleasant it is to try to be an intellectual, and how some people infuriate that you are trying at all costs to remain a Human in any situation.
  • georg737577
    georg737577 26 May 2013 23: 15 New
    +1
    To love your homeland is worthy and a must for every person. Just do not confuse the homeland with the government (party, leader, etc.). And this is the quintessence of true patriotism!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 May 2013 23: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: georg737577
    To love your homeland is worthy and a must for every person. Just do not confuse the homeland with the government (party, leader, etc.). And this is the quintessence of true patriotism!

    Yes, it seems like no one confuses here ... The Military Review site .. Here, with the St. George ribbons, men .. And white with a swamp, etc. .. does not shine here ..
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 26 May 2013 23: 59 New
    -1
    Quote: georg737577
    To love your homeland is worthy and a must for every person. Just do not confuse the homeland with the government (party, leader, etc.). And this is the quintessence of true patriotism!

    Nobody confuses the homeland with parties.
    Governments leave and come, come and go, here it is already permissible to get confused.
    But if a leader has appeared in the country or among the people, then this can only be proud of.
    So there is a common goal that will be achieved.
    Of course, the leader has authority, he is not banal and strong.
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 27 May 2013 00: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Hmm, and when they were friends.

    I am ashamed to recall this.

    Well, you give a pancake what it was! Maderarators arranged such a liberal squabble on the most illiberal site of the former UNION laughing pah, what kind of word is such a non-Russian livibiral horseradish pronouncing without a half liter! obviously geoevropecy invented laughing
  • Umnichka
    Umnichka 27 May 2013 00: 53 New
    +1
    If the GDP surrenders to Syria, it remains only for the Communists to vote - maybe there really is a grain of the future in the combination of the communist idea and the Orthodox essence of our people?
  • Day 11
    Day 11 27 May 2013 01: 03 New
    +2
    I don’t think I’ll give up! Because GDP is far from being a stupid person, and he understands that Russia needs to be made HOLD! You can hang all kinds of labels on me and minus it, but I’ll tell you guys, GDP has brought the country out of the "cesspool" and is trying make a Great Power! Once again, this is my personal opinion!
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 27 May 2013 01: 48 New
    -1
    just do I know one comrade who has read all the European Filasian literature (which is not bad in itself) made interesting conclusions for himself now he considers himself a man of peace, not in the sense that he wants world peace and he just doesn’t give a damn about the whole world and everything that happens in it is about how! a kind of world without borders where it does not matter who you are or where you are or what you do or where you work (I think where they pay more laughing ) a sort of world of a distant future without borders and ethnic groups, the main thing for him now is self-improvement and self-knowledge (which in itself is also not bad! Direct the USSR’s dream 200 years later through thorns to the stars !!) and everything would be nice BUT but a situation in which we we are in this mament in which we have to survive as an ethnic group, when they try to devour the country from all sides, proving that you are a subhuman, having lost your story history, worldview simply does not correspond to this philosophy of non-participation in anything and just useless contemplation of this! and the most interesting thing is that reading the same literature to the same conclusion, I didn’t attach to it apparently much depends on the person himself! I'm trying to convey a simple truth to him, get the cook from heaven to our sinful earth! our grandfathers and before them their grandfathers, increasing the greatness of the country, fought and died for this homeland, not so that we would surrender it so mediocre we simply have no right to do that !!!! and he zaevivaet me that from all the remnants and prejudices of the past and we must look and live a future! having called me a chain dog of the empire (which, in turn, I tailed for complement rather than for insult laughing ) and the most offensive is that there are quite a lot of people with such thinking, but there will be more, as a rule they are well educated, although they are rightly educated and in some ways right, but it happened that the first rats to be pulled out of the boat as they don’t have a homeland peace !!! here and here too personalities sometimes itine Liberals turn out !!!
  • annenkov242
    annenkov242 27 May 2013 05: 57 New
    +1
    At the beginning of perestroika, we had fun with some kind of stupid fun, corrupting glee. Willingness to give their lives gave way to a frenzied thirst to live at all costs, and greatness faded.
    THE RUSSIAN GREATNESS OF PATRIOTISM needs to be instilled in children, but this is all at the GENE level, therefore there are patriots and there are, as we say, “patriots” -liberals with the perverted notion that sooner or later it will lead to liberalism, since the international the community, led by the English crown - the phlebusters of the world. You don’t need to split up even on a Sunday, many people accept this "slab-hat" as reality. Patriotism - there is patriotism, and everyone who tries to replace the concept should receive a worthy, competent instructive answer. You know how !!!
  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 27 May 2013 06: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: shinobi
    Once, in my early youth, having read the “golden calf” I met the image of a Russian liberal there. Vasisualiy Lokhankin! To tell the truth, I just laughed not particularly understanding the perfect accuracy of describing the essence of liberalism as a phenomenon. Now, 30 years later, I am amazed at the accuracy of the description of our liberals.


    Precisely noticed!
  • DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA 27 May 2013 07: 17 New
    +2
    People should speak openly and with pride about their patriotism, so that the younger generation observes this. An educational role is very important here.