Patriotism

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Strange disputes are about patriotism. Sometimes you stop understanding what people are arguing about. The so-called patriots and the so-called liberals argue about this:

"We love Russia." "And we love and want good for her!" "But you do not respect Russian history! "" We respect, but we believe that if something was bad, then we must say: it was bad. Do you think that everything has always been good? "" No, we do not think so, but, for example, we will not allow the name of Stalin to be dirty ... "" And for us Stalin is a bloody tyrant, but we are proud of Alexander the Second. Do you think that a person who loves the Motherland has no right to such an opinion? "

The question is churned out very carefully.

Of course, patriotism is love for the motherland. Love manifested in deeds and in all life’s journey (I didn’t go abroad, I teach Russian mathematics for three kopecks, every year I go to the Victory Parade and give flowers to veterans, I fight on the Internet for the purity of the Russian language, I equip my yard, I read to children for the night Russian fairy tales, support our hockey players, etc., etc.). To love the Motherland secretly is somehow silly. If you love, you manifest.

The dispute between patriots "patriots" and patriots "liberals" is not that they show love in different ways. Each of us shows it in our own way. Someone, sitting abroad, drinks vodka for dumplings on holidays, sings military songs alone and writes patriotic posts in LiveJournal. Love too. And, probably, such love on all life abroad is imprinted.

Patriots- "liberals" believe that it is necessary to love the Motherland quietly, to dissolve this love in civil actions, not to put it forward, etc. And patriots- "patriots" consider it necessary to mean this love, to express, to express in symbols, to demonstrate. Essentially, we are talking about differences in the structure of identity.

I recognize that a person of liberal views carries love for the Motherland (that is, for Mr. Gozman it is difficult for me to recognize this, as well as, for example, for Mr. Prokhorov, but why not recognize such love, for example, for ordinary activists of Yabloko ?) But carries it in another way. For patriot patriotism, patriotism is in the “I am for others” area. This is the part of "I" that requires a demonstration, which should be perceived by others as the core of the image of me. In a “liberal” patriot, patriotism (when it is) is an intimate, intimate feeling, not quite suitable for loud demonstrations.

It seems to me that my thinking is fair. “Liberals” usually indicate that demonstrating patriotism with St. George ribbons on cars and repost of patriotic pictures on social networks is vulgar. Others go so far as to resent noisy military parades and other mass demonstrations of love for the motherland. I personally do not remember that the “patriots” demanded that everyone go with the ribbon of St. George and repost the portrait of Marshal Zhukov. Usually they require not to interfere in the expression of feelings, not to offend patriotic feelings. Yes, sometimes they are "offended" for no particular reason, but they still do not require the "liberal": "Express patriotism the way I do it." But the “liberals” are very often outraged by such an expression of feelings and propagandize the idea that patriotism should be a “hot silence” (this is still the same Mr. Gozman quoted Vasily Rozanov - one might even think that he read Rozanov!). It turns out that the "liberals" are fighting to change the structure of identity among the majority of Russian citizens. I don’t wear the St. George ribbons, I usually stay in "hot silence", I consider Karamzin to be the ideal of citizenship (who, by the way, wasn’t always recognized as Russian, he had a very European look), but I wasn’t annoyed by St. George ribbons on cars and portraits of Zhukov on personal pages on social networks. Yes, my feelings for the Motherland have not been put forward, the idea of ​​the secrecy of civil feeling is very clear to me, but how can patriot symbols of Russia be angry with Russia? If there is this love in your identity, then you are my fellow citizen and my brother. And what kind of structure does your identity acquire, how does “I am for myself” and “I am for others” correlate - your business.

Thus, “liberal” patriots insist that the structure of identity among our fellow citizens is wrong. Well, okay, someone considers it indecent to express civil feelings in hypertrophied forms, that this supposedly emasculates the feeling itself, etc. At the same time, most liberals consider it quite decent, acceptable and a good thing to demonstrate sexual identity at a gay parade. I am almost indifferent to this problem, although I would prefer never to see such shows in Russia. To me, in principle, it seems indecent to manifest sexual otherness in collective processions. Let, you know, homosexuality remains a "hot silence." But no! Sexual predilections must be expressed loudly, and love for the Motherland, you see, must remain an intimate affair.

Now I’m talking about this averaged, schematized liberal, which gentlemen like Gozman represent to us (by the way, I don’t know how he treats the gay parade, but I’m sure that the ATP structure he heads is strictly positive). Demonstration of civil feelings is indecent and they are against such a demonstration, and demonstration of sexual preferences is decent and even attaches us to the civilized world ... You have to agree that such liberals, which I describe, have a deformed morality.

But, after all, they do not consider the expression of any civil feelings to be obscene - for example, they consider solidarity with convicts in various criminal / quasi-criminal cases as mandatory for demonstration. As well as a sense of protest.

In other words:
White ribbons are recommended.
Rainbow flags are welcome.
St. George ribbons are condemned.

It turns out that liberal "patriotism" is when it is a shame for the Motherland. Is not it so? If participation in the Motherland is the only thing that is indecent to advertise, otherwise it is difficult to interpret it. I emphasize: if you are not at all a supporter of expressing feelings openly and prefer quiet, intimate feelings, then this speaks of your temperament or ... I do not know ... about aesthetic preferences, say (I love Russia as in Tarkovsky’s “Mirror”, and not in the "Alexander Nevsky" Eisenstein). But if you welcome the expression of all the feelings (even quite intimate ones), except for the feeling towards the Motherland, then, most likely, you are ashamed of the Motherland. And such shame is imposed on others. Like, love the motherland to health, but be ashamed of her. In the language of LGBT research, this is called "stocked mentality". Interestingly, homosexuality is taken out of the closet, and patriotism is hidden there. Am I exaggerating?

Why are the "patriots" proud of their homeland, and the "liberals" of the motherland ashamed? Why do "liberals" impose "stocked patriotism"? I suggest a hypothesis. Maybe they have a common definition of patriotism (“active love for the Motherland”), but the concepts of “Motherland” are different. For a patriotic "liberal" Motherland is a country to which you are involved in the fact of citizenship (birth, education - choose the one you want). And for "patriot" it is a country that is dear to you, i.e. she is part of you, and you are part of her. And not even a country, but some kind of spiritual and material reality in which you are rooted. For example, a man was born and grew up in the USSR, and now he has the citizenship of the country of the Russian Federation. But the homeland is one, it is continuous. The feeling of kinship connects you with the earth, history, people, literature and music, with the language - the spiritual and material cosmos in which you took place, and you yourself - this is a complex system of spiritual and material connections. In the "liberal", the Motherland is what he dwells in, what he got. These people, this land, this literature - my habitat. I (i.e., the "liberal") should treat this environment prudently. If I did not go abroad, I accept this corridor of possibilities. And I begin to dwell in it - taking something (Pushkin, there, Ivan Alekseich Bunin, Academician Sakharov), but rejecting something, exposing uprooting (damn scoop, for example). And the pain of the "patriot" and "liberal" is different. Saltykov-Shchedrin, very critical of Russian history, said: "I love Russia to the heart’s pain." The “liberal” I described these words can repeat (like Rozanov, without reading the author’s books), but they cannot be understood as the bearer of “chulanned patriotism”. "Heart pain" - because the native is so imperfect, so sick, etc. The "liberal" hurts that life here does not correspond to his master's plans. I want, they say, that here was like in France. And here - Stalinism, the legacy of the Gulag, the Orthodox obscurantists with their prayers. It would be nice to root out all this! "Patriot" can not "uproot" what it is essentially connected with. If it is imperfect, then the heart hurts. The Motherland suffers - and you suffer. Do not worry and indignant, and - you suffer! Together with the motherland. The face, at first glance, is thin but significant. "I" is otherwise arranged. In some, through living nerve connections with the native land, in others through a hypertrophied self, an artificial rupture. Since it is impossible to completely break the link between "I" and "habitat", patriotism is driven into the closet. In liberal people. The posthumans have no homeland - they are arranged quite differently.

These are two anthropological concepts. They now randomly received the names “patriotism” and “liberalism” from us. "Patriotism" interprets man as a system of connections, living relationships. "Liberalism" interprets man as a free subject in the world of objects. Since Russia does not provide an appropriate lifestyle and historical experience for the second concept, we should be ashamed of the Motherland: "They say it is embarrassing, of course, but I live in such a Motherland." For a “patriot,” it is quite natural to demonstrate unity with the Homeland — after all, he really does not separate himself from the earth, ancestors, history.

When "liberals" say that the government privatizes patriotism, they talk about themselves. They believe that this can be somehow privatized. And - it is impossible. You can privatize some characters, say. But the government does not prohibit patriotic symbols from being used by all citizens. Well, Putin should not hold a parade? And in general - he should not talk about love for the motherland? Obama says, Xi Jinping says, Merkel says. And this is an absolutely noble practice common to all great states (and very characteristic of our tradition). A national politician will be an idiot if he does not use patriotic symbols. Here belolentochnye leaders are like idiots: they are removed from the patriotic symbols. They, so that the authorities would not privatize these same symbols, should shout, tearing the voice: we are embodying the Russian traditions (Radishchev, Belinsky and so on)! that we are raising the banner of the struggle for the ancestral Russian ideals! we embody Orthodox values! we will now quote Nekrasov and Yesenin! Since they do not use such symbols, and the authorities use them, they complain that Putin has privatized something there. I personally do not care that Putin speaks about the Motherland (that is, I do not care that the political leader is not alien to patriotic ideas, but no more) - I will wear or not wear St. George ribbons, I will love or dislike Stalin -Lenin-Nicholas II - in accordance with my sense of the Motherland, my pain, my ideals. I do not know what "privatize patriotism" is. I do not understand this. It is possible to manipulate patriotic feelings, but then it is necessary to say this: the people, they say, are very trusting among us, being led to patriotic rhetoric. But this does not remove the problem: if you want to be with the people, demonstrate patriotism, and the people will figure out which of you is more convincing.

And one more thing the liberals say: the state should not, they say, teach young people how to love their homeland; they should not broadcast patriotic symbols and impose. Here again I turn to the Russian experience and the experience of the great powers. Our state has always taken care of this. Always in the United States took care of it. And in China. And in Europe (at least until the middle of the XX century). And the countries of the beloved Baltic States are engaged in the upbringing of Baltic patriotism. And Georgia, when loved by some liberals, Saakashvili cared. And in modern Russia this should not be. Why should not? Because it forms a relationship of man with the national cosmos. And kinship is not necessary.

That's the difference. Liberal patriotism is "barbarous patriotism", allowed only as an active desire to grow roots in the environment, without burdensome symbols, without appropriate upbringing. This “liberalism” is not only a political ideology, it is a new anthropological breed and a new anthropological ideal.
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  1. djon3volta
    +48
    26 May 2013 15: 43
    No comments.
    1. Agent.
      +69
      26 May 2013 15: 50
      The long-standing dispute between the Zapodniks and the Slavophiles has now grown into a dispute between patriots and liberals. And in each camp there are comrades with extremes. But the Liberals, in the form in which we have them, is perhaps an exception, there is no such thing anywhere else, it is the cross of Russia. This has been going on for a very long time already by F.M. DOSTOEVSKY wrote "Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order of things, but an attack on the very essence of our things, on the very things, and not on order alone, not on the Russian order, but on Russia itself. The liberal went so far as to deny Russia itself, that is, he hates and beats his mother. Every unfortunate and unsuccessful Russian fact arouses laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. " "our liberal is first and foremost a lackey, who only looks to whom to clean his boots" nothing has changed since then
      1. +16
        26 May 2013 16: 05
        Quote: Agent.
        The long-standing dispute between the Zapodniks and the Slavophiles has now grown into a dispute between patriots and liberals. And in each camp there are comrades with extremes. But the Liberals, in the form in which we have them, is perhaps an exception, there is no such thing anywhere else, it is the cross of Russia. This has been going on for a very long time already by F.M. DOSTOEVSKY wrote "Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order of things, but an attack on the very essence of our things, on the very things, and not on order alone, not on the Russian order, but on Russia itself. The liberal went so far as to deny Russia itself, that is, he hates and beats his mother. Every unfortunate and unsuccessful Russian fact arouses laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. " "our liberal is first and foremost a lackey, who only looks to whom to clean his boots" nothing has changed since then

        Tooting. Sometimes it seems that the British came up with liberalism in Russia, in the light of how many evils and dirty tricks they did to Russia. This liberalism is like a disease, while a strong body in sleep mode is waiting in the wings, as soon as the organism-state weakens, liberalism wakes up and gains strength.
        1. Agent.
          +1
          26 May 2013 19: 25
          that's how this disease has been living in Russia for so many centuries is not clear. Is it inherited ...
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          2. SASCHAmIXEEW
            0
            27 May 2013 14: 00
            It is necessary to remove this hereditary gene from the chain forever, and those who now live in Russia will be thrown out of the borders, only loving RUSSIA should live with us !! Others have no place with us !!!
        2. +11
          26 May 2013 22: 45
          Vain labor - no, you cannot expose them, -
          The more liberal, the more vulgar,
          Civilization is a fetish for them,
          But her idea is not available to them.

          As before her, do not bend, gentlemen,
          You do not get recognition from Europe:
          In her eyes you will always
          They are not servants of enlightenment, but servants.

          F. Tyutchev
          1867



          Listen: our age is the age of freedom,
          And in essence, look deeper -
          Free Thought Horse Guides
          Eastern despots are akin to.

          They have two weights, two measures,
          Double glance, double court:
          Self and power are given
          His upstairs, others in the midst.

          They have a strict slogan for everything
          Under their liberal stigma:
          Dare not go your own way
          Do not you dare to live your mind.

          When they glorify whom
          Before that kneel down.
          Whom they crush with disgrace
          Togo and you kick for them.

          Freedom is true, sugar is sweet,
          But the planters are in trouble;
          Where are their orders?
          Slaves of free labor!

          Freedom - Turning Roles -
          In their conditional language
          There is a surrender of personal will,
          To be a screw in a steam engine

          Be a monotonous parrot
          Which, all dumbfounded,
          Confirms with zeal bothering
          A whistled tune to him.

          I will say with sad consciousness:
          I don't see a big difference
          Between the liberal serfdom
          And every other corvee.

          P. Vyazemsky
          1860
          1. +8
            26 May 2013 22: 47
            "First, what is liberalism, if we speak at all, if not an attack (reasonable or erroneous is another question) on the existing order of things? Well, my fact is that Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order things, but there is an attack on the very essence of our things, on the very things, and not on order alone, not on the Russian order, but on Russia itself.My liberal went so far as to deny Russia itself, that is, he hates and beats his mother Every unfortunate and unsuccessful Russian fact arouses laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. If there is an excuse for him, it is that he does not understand what he is doing, and his hatred of Russia. takes it for the most fruitful liberalism (oh, you often meet a liberal in our country, who is applauded by others and who, in essence, is the most absurd, most stupid and dangerous conservative, and does not know it himself!) This hatred of Russia is not yet so long ago other liberals our and they took it almost for true love for the fatherland and boasted that they saw better than others what it should be; but now they have become more frank and even the words "love for the fatherland" have begun to be ashamed, even the concept has been banished and eliminated as harmful and insignificant. "


            - Is it possible that they will not give and will not allow the Russian body to develop nationally, with its organic power, but certainly impersonally, impersonatingly imitating Europe? But what then to do with the Russian organism? Do these gentlemen understand what an organism is? Separation, "detachment" from one’s country leads to hatred, these people hate Russia, so to speak, naturally, physically: for climate, for fields, for forests, for man’s liberation, for Russian history, in a word, for everything, they hate for everything.


            - And meanwhile, sometimes a fantasy occurred to me: well, if it weren’t for Jews, there were three million in Russia, but Russians; and there would be 80 million Jews, well, what would the Russians turn to and how would they treat them? Would they let them equal their rights? Would they be allowed to pray among them freely? Wouldn’t they be turned directly into slaves? Even worse: wouldn’t they have skinned at all! Would they not have been beaten to the ground, before the final extermination, as they did with foreign peoples in the old days, in their ancient history? No, I assure you that in the Russian people there is no biased hatred of the Jew, but there may be a lack of sympathy for him, especially in places and even maybe very strong. Oh, it’s impossible without this, it exists, but this does not happen at all from the fact that he is Jewish, not from tribal, not from religious hatred, but from other reasons for which it’s not the indigenous people, but himself Jew


            - If anyone destroys Russia, it will not be communists, not anarchists, but damned liberals.



            F.M. Dostoyevsky.
      2. +6
        26 May 2013 16: 07
        Conclusion, they are destructive and cannot be corrected since are carriers of a different moral paradigm hostile to ours. Measures that are explicit, active to cut off, the rest to identify and suppress their impact on society.
        1. +5
          26 May 2013 19: 29
          Advice for the Russian liberal: if he hates everything Russian in himself, then let him go jump from the bridge.
          1. S_mirnov
            +6
            26 May 2013 23: 01
            In the article, everything is turned upside down. First of all, it is necessary to determine who is in power now. In my opinion, it is LIBERALS (private ownership of land, a market economy, capitalism, a freely convertible ruble, the primacy of the dollar in the economy).
            It's just that Russia is divided into two camps - those who are under the red banner of the USSR and those who are under the trade tricolor! Those who under the tricolor are trying to cling to the glory of the USSR "
            It seems to me that my thinking is correct. "Liberals" usually indicate that to demonstrate patriotism with St. George ribbons on cars "it is the tricolor ribbons that distribute St. George ribbons, mind you not red ribbons, not stickers with the image of the real Victory banner, but St. George ribbons - like patriots, but there is no red flag!
            And when it comes to the people that just the LIBERALS in power disguise themselves as patriots, then everything will fall into place (and the destroyed industry, medicine, education and liberal values ​​(money) propagated from the TV screen)
            1. Yarosvet
              +1
              27 May 2013 01: 53
              S_mirnov


              5 points! good
            2. +5
              27 May 2013 05: 35
              Quote: S_mirnov
              And when it comes to the people that the authorities are just the liberals disguised as patriots

              This message would be yes to the author of the article).

              But for me it’s so simple. Patriotism is an adjective, in the sense that it is attached to the object)). But the objects may be different. For example: Russia, Russian Empire, Moscow, Siberia, Global Peace, Tatarstan, USA, Germany, Ukraine ... there is no number for them. And depending on what is the object of your patriotism, your worldview is being built.
              Our problem is that, with the help of the mass media and power functions, exactly those who are patriots of other objects, but not Russia, teach us Russian patriotism)).
            3. +2
              27 May 2013 12: 46
              Listen to you: duck until 1917. in general, there were only liberals under the "trade tricolor", and true patriots appeared only with the October Revolution and now everyone wants to "cling to" their glory. Here only one question arises - "Brest Peace" is the greatest act of patriotism ?! And who then are Nakhimov, Alexander Nevsky, Suvorov, Kutuzov, Ushakov? After all, their names were given to Soviet orders, all of them, except for Alexander Nevsky, served the tricolor so "beloved" by you. And the feat of "Mercury", and the defense of the fortress "Osovets", and the Battle of Borodino, and the defense of Sevastopol in the Crimean War, and the Sinop naval battle is so, "dismantling" the empires of the "bloodsuckers". The feat of the soldiers of the Brest Fortress shows that the Russian spirit has not gone anywhere, and the defenders of the fortress are WORTHY CONTINUERS of the traditions of their heroic ancestors! The history of Great Russia did not begin in 1917. and did not end in 1991, this story continues! And all the vyseurs of the "world community" show that Russia is alive, otherwise why "fight" with it until now.
              PS In 1991 I was 15 years old, but with all my heart I was for the preservation of the USSR! And if there was an opportunity, I would vote for the Soviet Union.
              1. S_mirnov
                0
                27 May 2013 23: 15
                "Listen to you: before 1917, there were only liberals under the" trade tricolor "," - and who brought the Russian people to the revolution? This is what needs to be done to make the patient Russian people go to hang the "elite" on poles, it's hard to imagine what the people should be brought to. (Answers about the insidious State Department, and the fact that the people in the 17th were stupid, and in 2013-thorny clever - do not whip).
              2. 0
                30 May 2013 15: 19
                Quote: EwgenyZ
                "Brest Peace" is the greatest act of patriotism ?!
                I understood that for you this is an act of Greatest betrayal. You should not have started this topic. Do not confuse patriotism with the logic of war. On this subject, liberalists are already preparing a massive ideological mess with the next brainwashing by 2014. So get some more.
                Quote: EwgenyZ
                And if there was an opportunity, I would vote for the Soviet Union.
                Here you two do not converge on two. There would be no "Brest Peace" - for sure there would be no Soviet Union.
                Quote: EwgenyZ
                ..And all the vyseurs of the "world community" show that Russia is alive, otherwise why should we still "fight" with it.

                According to the WHO definition: "Alcohol poisoning is the ingestion of alcohol in the body in quantities incompatible with life." Life is understood as the state of an individual, characterized by his ability to fully realize his spiritual and physical strength. Russia is alive, but seriously ill and they want to finish it off. So you don't need a hat. If you think like that, then there will be no one to protect her, remember when it will be too late. So - "study, study and study again ..."
            4. folds
              +2
              27 May 2013 19: 00
              Only they are not going to cling to the glory of the USSR, they want, using everything that the USSR gave them and created, mix it with dirt, turn the achievements and failures upside down. After all, it so happens that they do not plunder the heritage of a great country, but distribute the values ​​that came from here, unknown how and where. These constant calls "We must repent, I must admit ..." - they lead to the fact that the most vile lie is officially fixed in the minds, which can be used to further disintegrate and divide the country into small principalities. If the ideal for them is the Western world, then you need to write them French or Swedish citizenship, and move them to the suburbs of Paris or Stockholm. Better to love that homeland :)
            5. 0
              30 May 2013 14: 46
              Quote: S_mirnov
              It seems to me that my thinking is fair

              It is fair because it is true. It has a lot of evidence in published assessments of the situation in the country (writers, scientists, politicians, journalists, publicists, public figures.
              Quote: S_mirnov
              In the article, everything is turned upside down.

              This is probably a fair statement as a whole for the article, but we can agree with some estimates (according to liberals).
      3. +17
        26 May 2013 17: 23
        Quote: Agent.
        otherwise mine has not changed since

        ... it has become much worse ...
        Liberalism in the world, it is now -
        - the invasion of other people's borders is that sovereign state or private house with its own rules
        - aggressive promotion of LGBT people
        - declaring the right to life - indelible, at the same time for ephtanasia
        - etc. etc.
        Those. Sodom & Homor plus Satanism came to a logical conclusion.

        For Russia, Russian people and all those who think differently, the stigmas are written in advance - nationalists, adherents of totalitarianism, Stalinism, dictatorship ...

        Even life in Russia according to liberals should have been concluded in the following-
        population max-50 million people. for the maintenance of the "pipe"
        disarmament
        adoption of all laws of "enlightened democracy"
        tolerance, homophilia ...

        Yes, I’ll scatter such a thing!
        Only we are against!
        1. Atlon
          +4
          26 May 2013 18: 16
          Quote: Rus2012
          Liberalism in the world, it is now -

          minority power!
          1. vdenisov56
            +4
            26 May 2013 18: 56
            Minorities, and even sexual.
          2. fisherman
            -3
            26 May 2013 19: 02
            yes ...

            "the way of life shakes - they bury God" (B. Pasternak)

            "neoliberalism is another re-edition of Bolshevism" (J. Stiglitz)
      4. +16
        26 May 2013 18: 03
        Sometimes I go to read comments on various news on Rambler and this is what I noticed: if the news is related to defense, a threat to the country, etc. - then 99% of comments from the series "we will not fight for the oligarchs", etc. It's disgusting to read.
        But on the other hand, there is another side of the "coin" - we had a conversation with a friend at work (the topic was a survey of citizens who will do what in case of war and who will evade, be called upon, etc.), and so comrade, without thinking and not thinking, he said that he would volunteer. Why am I saying this? And to the fact that not everything has been eaten up for a hamburger and democracy. We must not fight for the "oligarchs" - we must fight for the Motherland, for our land, for our Parents.
        Yes, many do not believe our leadership - with the help of the press, an opinion has been imposed that if everything is over the hill and a simple Ivan will go to die, BUT who writes this and who believes in it? The one who was given New York and London nicer than Russian land? Who needs the land on which his ancestors plowed?
        I am an official, my whole family served and died for this country, and I am not ashamed to say that if "something" then I and all my friends, oddly enough, will fight for this country. Because the motherland is not chosen.

        PS: maybe someone considers my opinion maximalism, but think about it - can a Russian person (regardless of his ethnic group) think differently?
        1. djon3volta
          +11
          26 May 2013 18: 28
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          We must not fight for the "oligarchs" - we must fight for the Motherland, for our land

          right. and as you enter the srambler, it feels like you have visited an American patriotic site. I think 70-80% of us patriots in the United States, and 98% of the comments come from the United States for some news, especially news about the magnetic and the act of Dima Yakovlev. these topics 98% komentov FOR AMERICA and AGAINST RUSSIA.
        2. Lynx
          +3
          26 May 2013 23: 30
          On Answers.mile.ru someone asked the question - Will you go to fight for the Motherland? I don't know, maybe it happened, but "YES, how else?" the women answered, and "No" and "We will not fight for the oligarchs" were men, although it is difficult to call them men (it is known what kind of riffraff sometimes gathers there).
          I think now a conviction is being specially imposed, and with the help of faceless comments on the scramblers, including that if you fight, then for the oligarchs, and not for the land, for their territory ...
          About two years ago, on the same Answers to the same question, the answer was popular - I’ll run abroad. Male respondents answered without hesitation.

          Blackgrifon, no, not maximalism. This is the position of the Russian man. But the riffraff, spreading Russia, ciganet from the country faster than the speed of light. It is rightly said that a person is fully revealed in prison and in war (well, I would also add - on the hunt). And then the war did not start (and God forbid), they have already adopted the low start pose.
          1. 0
            26 May 2013 23: 46
            ask a question on this site)
        3. 0
          30 May 2013 15: 59
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          I am an official ...
          In principle, this explains everything
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          ... so the comrade, without thinking or thinking, declared that he would volunteer.
          the thing is that
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          the topic was a survey of citizens who will do what in case of war
          with this poll, apparently it was not discussed what kind of war we are talking about, so there was nothing to think about. There was already a war for the property of the EBN team, for which they paid with the blood of our people. And I myself read the statement of BAB published at one time: "... we will make the army serve our capital ..." I would not like to arrange a disco on a rake again.
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          my whole family served and died for this country,

          it can be said not only by the Russian people in our country.
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          maybe someone will consider my opinion maximalism
          No, I would not call it maximalism. Not everything is so simple and straightforward, but not the format here to discuss such topics, I think. By the way
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          many do not believe our leadership - with the help of the press an opinion is imposed ...
          what is it about? Leadership of which country ...? And this press - in which country? You are an official in the public administration system, can you explain?
      5. +2
        26 May 2013 18: 43
        Fedor Mikhailovich in the century before last sensed everything ...
      6. discard
        -8
        26 May 2013 19: 53
        This quote from Dostoevsky clearly demonstrates another attempt to substitute concepts - to blame those who are dissatisfied (calling them liberals) with the essence of the order established by the current government of dislike of Russia and their lack of patriotism.
        Apparently, according to the author, the true patriots are Zyuganov, who calls us back to socialism, and the "liberal" Zhirinovsky, who openly support the current government and call themselves the opposition.
        1. Agent.
          +6
          26 May 2013 20: 33
          Quote: discard
          This quote from Dostoevsky clearly demonstrates another attempt to substitute concepts - to blame those who are dissatisfied (calling them liberals) with the essence of the order established by the current government of dislike of Russia and their lack of patriotism.
          П
          There are undoubtedly such attempts and there are many of them. To defend power does not mean to be a patriot, in any case! The word Liberal has very little to do with real liberalism - freedom. It so happened that in Russia a certain crowd of pro-Western, and in some places, Russophobic worldview calls itself liberals! Read the quotation "Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order of things, but an attack on the very essence of our things, on the very things, and not on order alone, NOT ON RUSSIAN ORDERS, BUT ON RUSSIA itself" Liberal is often in opposition not only to power, but also to the country!
          1. Agent.
            +2
            26 May 2013 21: 05
            ... there is an attack on the very essence of our things, on things themselves, and not on order alone
        2. fisherman
          +3
          26 May 2013 20: 33
          there is no substitution of concepts, everything is obvious ...

          just Fedor Mikhalych is a little wiser than you ...

          "intellectual (Western concept) - a person who does everything for the sake of his success, his career

          intellectual (eastern concept) - a person who does everything to remain a person in any situation "

          here, there is often a substitution of concepts, that is, they are trying to call us modern-day parasites, nihilists, office careerists, glamorous white-bellied artists and other creative people, as intelligentsia ....

          But they are ordinary intellectuals ...
          1. 0
            26 May 2013 22: 27
            Quote: fisherman
            But they are ordinary intellectuals ...

            Well done, Fisherman, very accurate and intelligible. Thank. good
            1. fisherman
              +3
              26 May 2013 22: 40
              but most of all thanks to Dostoevsky, Chekhov, Tolstoy ......

              this seemingly banal knowledge was cut off from us, that in 1917 (plus or minus ten years), that 1991 (the same plus or minus) year ...

              even a slight fleeting loss of attention to basic values ​​(our Identity and our Tradition) allowed "persons of democratic appearance" (Tolstoy) to fool us ...

              and even now they are trying, portraying "moral authorities, the conscience of the nation-saddens of the Russian land"
          2. 3 inches.
            +3
            27 May 2013 08: 58
            dare not call me an intellectual! I have a profession! this is Chekhov.
            1. fisherman
              +1
              27 May 2013 11: 33
              for the profession plus ... although this was different ...

              "Take, for example, A.P. Chekhov. His intellectual is in constant, stubborn, hard work." You need to train yourself, "- said the writer. He has developed a whole program of moral self-improvement of a person who claims to be an intellectual. Chekhov believed that educated people should be polite, compliant, gentle, not talkative, sincere and should be afraid of lies like fire. "

              "The strength of the Russian intelligentsia is not in the mind, but in the heart and conscience.

              D.S. Merezhkovsky
              1. 3 inches.
                0
                27 May 2013 11: 50
                I visited a gathering of intellectuals about Chekhov. as they were there, they seemed to be a great man, but he didn’t like those who called themselves intellectuals. They agreed that he was great, of course, but morally low. You see, while he worked in Singapore he had a local his wife was. They considered this a fall of genius. And the fact that he was not married then, well, why such details. I laughed heartily at them
                1. fisherman
                  0
                  27 May 2013 14: 23
                  it’s always customary for us to confuse intellectuals and intellectuals, that is, if you look at it, Chekhov constantly reproached the latter, but it is generally accepted that intellectuals ...

                  the same someone Lenin, he meant exclusively intellectuals (using the word "intellectual") when he said - "nations" ...
                  approximate quote :))
    2. +12
      26 May 2013 15: 59
      Why only Gozman? all liberals must be "pressed")))
      What to hide, the liberal is a mask, under the guise of which you can see the pest of Russia, sponsored by intelligence agencies of the West. What else do they need? The Soviet Union collapsed, now they want to divide the region? - figs, it will not work. It is necessary to block the flow of money to the liberals, you look normal, they will become real patriots of Russia.
    3. +10
      26 May 2013 16: 10
      Quote: djon3volta
      No comments.



      djon3volta (2)

      Full name: Umboi Manam. [Add to blacklist]
      Group: Visitors
      Registered Date: October 20 2012 13: 10
      Last Visited: 26 May 2013 15: 43

      ICQ number:
      Location: Papua New Guinea

      Dear Umboi Manam, however, you are a "patriot" without five minutes. This must be given out, such a place of residence ???
      Patriot from Papuan. The first time I read this. laughing
      1. +7
        26 May 2013 16: 15
        Quote: Apollon
        Location: Papua New Guinea

        This country is heavily in debt with the United States and without five minutes the next state of the United States.
      2. +10
        26 May 2013 16: 39
        Quote: Apollon
        Dear Umboi Manam, however, you are a "patriot" without five minutes. This must be given out, such a place of residence ???
        Patriot from Papuan. The first time I read this
        Do not insult people. Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts.
        1. +3
          26 May 2013 16: 54
          Quote: Mechanic
          Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts.



          So dear Eugene! I read your comment and honestly in shock. I was impressed by your position in life and your sober outlook on life. The variability in your comments on 180%, frankly, puzzled me. I did not even suspect that you were slipping into the position of simple idiots. Honestly Eugene did not expect these pearls from you. am
          1. djon3volta
            0
            26 May 2013 17: 45
            Quote: Apollon
            I read your comment and frankly shocked.

            what kind of comment are you talking about? from which topic?
          2. 0
            26 May 2013 22: 33
            Quote: Apollon
            . Honestly Eugene did not expect these pearls from you. am

            Something in our Mechanics has broken or hurt. Probably you need to send the oil to him or greenbacks.
        2. -1
          26 May 2013 16: 54
          Quote: Mechanic
          Do not insult people. Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts.

          Hold my slippers fool And this man considers himself a competent patriot. Maybe you can write a friend to your friends, and that you will be an excellent team. Alya twin brothers cheers idiology. Minus!
          1. +7
            26 May 2013 16: 58
            Quote: Apollon
            The variability in your comments on 180%, frankly, puzzled me. I did not even suspect that you were slipping into the position of simple idiots. Honestly Eugene from ChVas these pearls, did not expect.

            Duck and we change our minds depending on life. But your stupidity sometimes surprises me.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Hold my slippers
            Che already flew out of them?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You can also write a friend to your esaul, and that you will be an excellent team. Alya the twin brothers cheers idiology.
            I don’t care about your lads.
            1. -6
              26 May 2013 17: 02
              Quote: Mechanic
              But your stupidity sometimes surprises me.

              Yes, I’m far from your stupidity and I don’t need to poke you and I didn’t drink together!
              Quote: Mechanic
              Che already flew out of them?

              Yes, reading your stupid things, here the floor of the room under the table sits from your clement.
              Quote: Mechanic
              I don’t care about your lads.

              well, embrace John, you are so similar to him. If he has 3 volts, then you have no more than 2x volts and those are not in your head but in ...
              1. +4
                26 May 2013 17: 04
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                well, embrace John, you are so similar to him. If he has 3 volts, then you have no more than 2x volts and those are not in your head but in ...
                Yes, and hug with a fairly reasonable person, unlike you.
                1. +1
                  26 May 2013 17: 17
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  Yes, and hug with a fairly reasonable person, unlike you.

                  Well thought that they wrote or so work on the public?
                  1. +1
                    26 May 2013 17: 19
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Well thought that they wrote or so work on the public?
                    Unlike you, no. I don’t need it.
                    1. -3
                      26 May 2013 17: 24
                      Quote: Mechanic
                      Unlike you, no

                      Yes, not really, you are the smartest with us and know everything about ships, but for some reason I haven’t seen anything concrete from you all the time.
                      By the way, answer the person. Otherwise you promised him, as well as many people who proved it.
                      Anything to answer, Mr. Ham?
                      1. +3
                        26 May 2013 17: 26
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, not really, you are the smartest with us and know everything about ships, but for some reason I haven’t seen anything concrete from you all the time.
                        By the way, answer the person. Otherwise you promised him, as well as many people who proved it.
                        Anything to answer, Mr. Ham?

                        What for? What could say, say. I can’t and don’t want to teach anymore.
                      2. +3
                        26 May 2013 17: 39
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        I can’t and don’t want to teach anymore.

                        So it's time to rest-write memoirs: How I taught on the VO site mediocrity and dumbass Motherland fool
                      3. -1
                        26 May 2013 17: 55
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        What could say, say. I can’t and don’t want to teach anymore.

                        And what can you teach at all and whom, one blah blah blah. I think that literate people will not lead to your posts, the price of which is zero.
                      4. +5
                        26 May 2013 17: 57
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And what can you teach at all and whom, one blah blah blah. I think that literate people will not lead to your posts, the price of which is zero.
                        Unlike you, I work, not sell right-handed cars. I am not a huckster, but an engineer.
                      5. 0
                        26 May 2013 18: 01
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        I am not a huckster, but an engineer.

                        You better tell us which country you are an engineer for. Akromya of India is nothing for Russia, you are our homegrown patriot. And by the way, you should not write with errors in a person with a high-level / O., you can immediately see that "engineer" negative
                      6. +6
                        26 May 2013 18: 06
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You'd better tell us which country you are an engineer for. The acromia of India is nothing for Russia, you are our homegrown patriot. And by the way, a person with a high / low should not write with errors, you can immediately see that "an engineer
                        Well, yes, well, yes, if there is nothing to argue, they start digging into words.
                      7. 3 inches.
                        -1
                        27 May 2013 09: 02
                        uh dear your previous posts are also full of mistakes.
                2. +7
                  26 May 2013 17: 26
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  Yes, and hug with a fairly reasonable person, unlike you.

                  belay what Eugene ! Of course, I apologize, but this condition happens when you have a bite of cognac - bottles so two Maybe you need to oversleep?
                  1. -4
                    26 May 2013 17: 50
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Of course, I apologize, but this condition happens when you have a bite of cognac

                    Cheap brandy with mushrooms.
                    1. agrindler
                      0
                      5 June 2013 15: 11
                      And you should be ashamed of Alexander Romanov! I have the impression that you have never served! So the books began and make yourself a real warrior! I would have demoted you to a private and to the penal battalion forever! It’s not a good idea to insult people! Where are the facts ... quotes, etc. Scolding the market, but here is a military review! Need to respect each other!
            2. agrindler
              0
              5 June 2013 15: 03
              Eugene! I fully support! Well done!
          2. +10
            26 May 2013 17: 11
            before you beat yourself in the chest with shouts: "I am a patriot", it would be better to take up spelling and native speech. All the same, there will be more sense for the Motherland.
        3. +4
          26 May 2013 17: 44
          Quote: Mechanic
          Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts.


          Zhenya then you insult him yourself, in your opinion it turns out he only sometimes is smart, but the rest of the time ....
          1. +6
            26 May 2013 17: 49
            Quote: Vadivak
            Zhenya then you insult him yourself, in your opinion it turns out he only sometimes is smart, but the rest of the time ....
            All of us are sometimes smart. and don’t just have to put everyone under the line.
            1. +3
              26 May 2013 17: 52
              Quote: Mechanic
              All of us are sometimes smart. And we don’t just have to put everyone under the line
              !

              Well, and now all together.
        4. +13
          26 May 2013 17: 57
          Quote: Mechanic
          Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts

          I’ll support, Mechanic. Personally, I’m bored without Zhenya (Umboy Manam). Let him and I have absolutely opposite views, sometimes I also allow myself to laugh, but sometimes it’s extremely interesting to read some of his pearls. For a demotivator, plus.
          In general, it’s enough to swear. I just read further comments.
          1. Gemar
            +4
            26 May 2013 18: 54
            Quote: baltika-18
            And generally enough to swear.

            Hot Finnish guys. request
            1. +3
              26 May 2013 19: 16
              Quote: Gamar
              Hot Finnish guys.

              Yeah....
              What the men suffered ..... request
              1. 0
                27 May 2013 07: 13
                Quote: baltika-18
                What the men suffered .....

                It seems that the accounts of the commanders were hacked and watered on their behalf)).
          2. 0
            26 May 2013 19: 57
            Quote: baltika-18
            Personally, I’m bored without Zhenya (Umboy Manam).

            I join, he is a sincere person, he does not suffer from liberalism well, a kind of little (local landmark) - I gave him the "name" "eternal sergeant"
        5. Gemar
          +5
          26 May 2013 19: 30
          Quote: Mechanic
          Do not insult people.

          Fair enough! Just ask 3-volt John not to call people Liberal if they disagree with his "authoritative" opinion.
          Quote: Mechanic
          Sometimes he expresses competent thoughts.

          Che for the site? belay I mean, on which site does he express competent thoughts? request
      3. +4
        26 May 2013 16: 50
        Well, there are dark little patriots! winked smile
        1. -4
          26 May 2013 17: 28
          Quote: Orchestra
          Well, there are dark little patriots!

          yes darker than the Mechanic is difficult. Rare "personality"
      4. Sasha
        +20
        26 May 2013 17: 24
        Apollon AZ, Alexander Romanov RU
        Moderators are good ... Those who have to follow the order arrange (read provoke) srach. The mess.
        1. -3
          26 May 2013 17: 31
          Quote: Sashok
          Those who must keep order, arrange (read provoke) srach.

          There is only one moderator who arranges srach and he has already received a warning!
          1. Sasha
            +14
            26 May 2013 17: 38
            Alexander Romanov RU
            Apollon started, and you supported. As moderators you must be OVER the situation.
            1. -9
              26 May 2013 17: 48
              Quote: Sashok
              . As moderators you must be OVER the situation.

              Let me remind you that the Mechanic is the moderator himself, I think such moderators are not needed on the site !!!
        2. 0
          26 May 2013 17: 31
          Quote: Sashok
          Good moderators ... Those who need to keep order, arrange srach. The mess.



          and who knew that the Mechanic would be two-faced.
          1. +2
            26 May 2013 17: 33
            Quote: Apollon
            and who knew that the Mechanic would be two-faced.

            Maybe overslept will drink cold kefir and everything will pass? what
            1. Rezun
              +4
              26 May 2013 19: 03
              Oh my god ...
              Anecdote on the topic:
              JV Stalin: "Lawrence! And what about us with topwar.ru?"
              LP Beria: "Everything is in order, Comrade Stalin, they are sitting!"
              JV Stalin: "Is everyone sitting?"
              LP Beria: "The mechanic will sit down tomorrow, Comrade Stalin!"
              JV Stalin: "As they agree, Lavrenty, let go, useful people, but very hot, as we are! Agree, Lavrenty?"
          2. djon3volta
            -3
            26 May 2013 17: 51
            Quote: Apollon
            and who knew that the Mechanic would be two-faced.

            what if he’s like Putin? wassat and he didn’t dance to the tune of the Yeltsin family. After all, they thought that Putin would also be tame like Yeltsin, and since he was going to the bunks, Birch and Gus were gone from the country, well, and so on ... the KGB is not asleep! tactical mnogohodovki you know .. bully
            1. +1
              26 May 2013 18: 04
              Quote: djon3volta
              what if he is like Putin?

              Rather like Yeltsin.
        3. +15
          26 May 2013 17: 36
          Quote: Sashok
          Moderators are good ... Those who have to follow the order arrange (read provoke) srach. The mess.

          Yes

          "Hello, fire department? Here the police are fighting with doctors belay I don’t know where to call recourse ... "...
          1. -4
            26 May 2013 18: 06
            Quote: svp67
            I don’t know where to call

            Call Kashchenko, then one must be taken from the site.
            1. +11
              26 May 2013 18: 12
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Call Kashchenko, then one must be taken from the site.

              Maybe you would have switched to personal communication, having saved everyone from this squabble of two PATRIOTS, or it’s time for someone to show that he’s still smarter than his opponent ...
        4. +2
          26 May 2013 17: 48
          Let the giraffe was wrong, but not the giraffe, but the one who shouted from the branches ...
          Yes, something is really wrong with the traditions of the Russian world ... Even here, saying the same things in the same words, they managed to overload ... ghm, quarrel! Colleagues, what are you? Do not be like liberals ...
          Patriotism for a healthy person is also the same as love for a mother!
          I hope that there will be few people who hate mother who are not normal to argue ...
        5. +3
          26 May 2013 19: 15
          Quote: Sashok
          Moderators are good ... Those who have to follow the order arrange (read provoke) srach. The mess.

          Dear, but there was simply no srach! We made a little variety on Sunday evening, a little humor, not much intrigue, not much banter.
          Each quarrel has a reason, but it was not and never will be. Best friends will always remain friends. You were not bored and interested, but we are just people. With respect to all visitors to the site ... Apollon, Mechanic and Alexander Romanov drinks
          1. +3
            27 May 2013 08: 26
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Dear, but there was simply no srach! We made a little variety on Sunday evening, a little humor, not much intrigue, not much banter.
            Each quarrel has a reason, but it was not and never will be. Best friends will always remain friends. You were not bored and interested, but we are just people. With respect to all visitors to the site ... Apollon, Mechanic and Alexander Romanov
            It was a concerted action on three sides. I Sanya and Azir decided to revitalize the site a bit. drinks
            1. 0
              27 May 2013 11: 12
              Quote: Mechanic
              It was an agreed action on three sides.


              confirm drinks
        6. +6
          26 May 2013 19: 53
          Good moderators ...

      5. djon3volta
        +4
        26 May 2013 17: 44
        Quote: Apollon
        Dear Umboi Manam

        how to change the nickname? is there such an opportunity? not a name, but a nickname, instead of djon3volta I want another one! I already came up with wassat
        1. +7
          26 May 2013 17: 49
          Quote: djon3volta
          how to change the nickname? is there such an opportunity? not a name, but a nickname, instead of djon3volta I want another one! I already came up with


          no Umboys, you live with this nickname all your life. laughing
          1. +2
            26 May 2013 17: 52
            Very pichalka! laughing laughing laughing
        2. +5
          26 May 2013 18: 00
          Quote: djon3volta
          how to change the nickname? is there such an opportunity? not a name, but a nickname, instead of djon3volta I want another one! I already came up with

          Eugene, please leave it as it was, a new name or person will not change the course of your thoughts, you have grown to it, seeing djon3volta I have a burning desire to read you, I think many will agree with me hi respect society. for a picture plus, but for a desire I would put a minus but I will refrain
          1. djon3volta
            +5
            26 May 2013 18: 12
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            Eugene, please leave it as it was, a new name or person will not change the way you think

            I just wanted to put a more irritating nickname, written in Russian. I already came up with a nickname a few days ago. I won’t say any. In the spirit of GLORY TO PUTIN. Well, okay, I’ll remain John 3 volts.
            1. +4
              26 May 2013 18: 17
              Quote: djon3volta
              GLORY TO PUTIN. Well, well, I will remain John 3 volts.

              applaud, for many here GLORY TO PUTIN and John Z Volta are synonyms good
            2. +3
              26 May 2013 18: 24
              Quote: djon3volta
              . Well then, I will remain John 3 volts.

              Hats off to you!
              Without any mockery!
            3. Rezun
              +1
              26 May 2013 19: 10
              Calm John! You are in your place!
        3. Rezun
          0
          26 May 2013 19: 04
          from the Soviet classics: "Hold on, geologist ..."
      6. +1
        26 May 2013 18: 01
        however, you are a "patriot" in five minutes. This must be given out, such a place of residence

        however, your flag in this case can also be used as an "argument"
      7. GG2012
        +5
        26 May 2013 18: 18
        Quote: Apollon
        djon3volta(2) - Umboi Manam. Residence: Papua New Guinea. "Patriot" at five minutes

        Strongly hello to you! hi
        That's right you, Apollo, have noticed.

        djon3volta(2) - sorry for the demotivator, ... lol ... but could not restrain myself from exposing. With a place of residence - this is your jamb.
        1. +4
          26 May 2013 18: 26
          I’ll go to the Russian site. I’ll teach the people of patriotism

          mbhahaha .. didn’t the shrapnel slice this landmine?
          1. GG2012
            +1
            26 May 2013 18: 35
            Quote: Gleb
            mbhahaha .. didn’t the shrapnel slice this landmine?

            If djon3volta (2) asks to remove the demo, ... I will delete it without question.
            A little mood on Sunday evening ... doesn’t hurt.
            1. 0
              26 May 2013 20: 34
              the fact of the matter is that you with the Ukrainian flag wrote to a person with the Azerbaijani flag, ironic over a Russian
              I’ll go to the Russian site. I will teach the people of patriotimau
              (demo as if hinting)
              who came in and who teaches whom ???
              1. GG2012
                0
                26 May 2013 22: 06
                Quote: Gleb
                the fact of the matter is that you with the Ukrainian flag wrote to a person with the Azerbaijani flag, ironic over a Russian

                Quote: Gleb
                who came in and who teaches whom ???

                From someone I heard that our site is registered somewhere ... either in Germany or in Spain ...
                In general, it is right to say that Topvor is a Russian-language site.

                As for the "Patriot" from Papua New Guinea, it was his personal choice ... to indicate such a place of residence.
                1. +1
                  26 May 2013 23: 14
                  the fact of the matter is that I am not against any person (this is much more interesting). But to cite as an argument, reproach, the location of the opponent (which you yourself announced), is it clever?
                  yes it’s his choice (like yours-GG), but how much should there be no sense of humor, reality ... to believe that he is from Papua and all the more to catch on to it?
                  Topvor is a Russian-language site
                  and in the demo "Russian"
                  1. GG2012
                    -1
                    27 May 2013 00: 11
                    Quote: Gleb
                    (like your-gg)

                    My - these are the initials of the name and surname ... the truth is in English ... (this would remove questions).
                    Quote: Gleb
                    how much sense of humor, reality should be absent ... to believe that he is from Papua and all the more to cling to it

                    In personal communication, I can tell you in detail how I feel about the word "believe" (and to Vera as well). Purely for myself, I conducted a small cultural and psychological research on the topic "Faith", "Believe", etc., so I naturally did not believe that John3Volta is from Papua New Guinea.
                    This is the internet! We are all a bit fictional, digitized.
                    He indicated this name as a place of residence ... I got hooked on him.
                    Someone demo smiled ... Someone remained indifferent ...
                    The main thing is that I did not offend him.
                    1. +2
                      27 May 2013 00: 17
                      understandably!
                      (no need for faith)
    4. +3
      26 May 2013 16: 13
      The Russian side refused to fulfill the order for the supply of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria, The Sunday Times reports citing a senior official who wished to remain anonymous.

      According to the official, during a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the question was raised that Russian launchers could fall into the hands of anti-Israeli rebel groups. Those, in turn, can use weapons against Russian civilian liners that land or take off at Ben Gurion International Airport in Israel.
      The Russian side refused to supply weapons to Syria on the condition that Israel refrain from further air attacks in Syria.
      The contract for the supply of four launchers was concluded in 2010. Last year, at the request of Israel, Russia postponed the transfer of the first batch of S-300 to Syrian government forces.
      Read more on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/news/239701-rossiya-otkazalas-postavlyat-v-siriyu-raketno-z
      enitnye-kompleksy-s300
      ONLY WHAT I READ, HOW TO UNDERSTAND IT ?????
      1. Genady1976
        +2
        26 May 2013 16: 25
        GDP surrenders to Syria, what is not clear
        1. Genady1976
          +1
          26 May 2013 18: 38
          hand over hand over hand over
          1. +2
            26 May 2013 19: 36
            Quote: The Russian side refused to fulfill the order on the supply of C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria, reports The Sunday Times . Apparently to many admirers of the West, especially in Ukraine, V.V. Putin stepped on my boot ... European genitals. The Sunday gentlemen had visions of pain. No gentlemen S-300 will fuck you in Syria! So, that early rejoice pan crest!
      2. +6
        26 May 2013 16: 26
        also read ... sad, boom, they hope it's a "duck" what
      3. mogus
        +5
        26 May 2013 17: 00
        IT
        HOW TO UNDERSTAND?????

        Putin does not surrender Syria. If there is no HAziTO intervention, Assad will crush evil spirits. We don’t need to climb there ourselves, but we must not allow others to ...
        IMHO
      4. Sewer
        +1
        26 May 2013 17: 09
        This is a duck! Fake, yellow press. There are a lot of names for this!
      5. +2
        26 May 2013 17: 45
        Quote: Denis
        ONLY WHAT I READ, HOW TO UNDERSTAND IT ?????

        DESA !!!
        - http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/188564-britanskaya-gazeta-s-300-v-sirii-
        ne-budet-predstavitel-pravitelstva-izrailya-eto-skazki.html
      6. +5
        26 May 2013 17: 50
        Quote: Denis
        The Russian side refused to fulfill the order for the supply of anti-aircraft missile systems S-300 to Syria, ONLY WHAT I READ,


        Duc announced yesterday, the fact is that on Wednesday, May 22, the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved a bill on sanctions against countries that sell oil or weapons to the Bashar al-Assad regime.



    5. 0
      26 May 2013 16: 44
      +++ No comment! smile
    6. +3
      26 May 2013 16: 47
      There would have been Stalin, there would have been no liberals, pederasts and other evil spirits.
      1. +3
        26 May 2013 17: 28
        Quote: v53993
        There would have been Stalin, there would have been no liberals, pederasts

        Would they be, where would without them. If only they sat quietly, some in the kitchens, and some in the camps (where many of them have the place).
      2. +5
        26 May 2013 17: 48
        Quote: v53993
        There would have been Stalin, there would have been no liberals, pederasts and other evil spirits.

        Where would they go !? winked They were with him, but they worked for the good of the country, not with their tongue and jo ... y, but with a pick and shovel at the construction sites of the national economy! Under very sensitive control! wink
    7. +8
      26 May 2013 16: 49
      In order to avoid such a split of views, people need an idea and a goal that would unite us and then no one will discuss whether to wear ribbons or not. Now we don’t have any purpose and are not foreseen, the people are divided, everyone pulls a blanket over himself, and besides, laziness (as it was written in today's article) is precisely this laziness and does not allow us to stand on our feet, all hands are lowered and sit, then one of the other follows, one is not a warrior in the field, it means you need to unite, create public organizations, overcome yourself and go to rallies for the nationalization of the Central Bank, the resignation of Livanov, if there is a wave of rallies in all the cities, then the government has nowhere to go. But for this you need to unite and overcome their laziness.
      1. Lion
        +1
        27 May 2013 02: 54
        In general, Putin needs the people to wake up and start to make their life better (within the framework of the law). And in order to do this, you need to have a Worldview to understand all the processes in the world and teach your people to understand this, to arrange the Cultural Revolution starting (otherwise there will be a war). Then the whole world itself will reach for the light. And finally globalization will be completed. feel
    8. Rezun
      +1
      26 May 2013 16: 52
      John- with Papua ... You "cool" them divorced. If they open your photo in black and white edition, it's generally screaming!

      Quote: Apollon
      djon3volta (2) Full name: Umboi Manam. [Add to the blacklist] Group: VisitorsRegistration date: October 20, 2012 13: 10Last visit: May 26, 2013 15:43 ICQ number: Residence: Papua New Guinea
    9. +1
      26 May 2013 17: 45
      Enough about gosman, tired of it already. A sort of Herostratus of our time - one burned a masterpiece, the second about the rubbish of ancestors. Both made history. About patriotism: it doesn’t matter how you earned money, bought a ticket, went to a sporting event in England or Canada, waved a flag - a patriot. Only your structure pays taxes in the same London or Ottawa, and grannies with minimal pension are sitting - it’s as if outside the brackets.
    10. Atlon
      0
      26 May 2013 18: 15
      Yes ... The article is harmful.
    11. sania0413
      +1
      26 May 2013 19: 45
      I’ll leave a wonderful example of patriotism here))) [media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 4n8xIW1V7IM]
    12. sania0413
      +5
      26 May 2013 19: 46
      patriotism is an offense not to give the homeland. Here is an example)))
      1. +4
        26 May 2013 20: 46
        Now they’ll go to Belarus vryatli))) Now they’re exploring Europe, they’ll go to Africa vryatli)))
        1. +5
          26 May 2013 21: 02
          Quote from astra
          Now they’ll go to Belarus vryatli))) Now they’re exploring Europe, they’ll go to Africa vryatli)))

          In Chechnya, their in Chechnya, all at least some benefit from Chechnya.
      2. +5
        26 May 2013 21: 14
        Belarusians-well done, do not give any seam .. or provocations to arrange. +++
      3. MG42
        +7
        27 May 2013 00: 13
        The Femens also got from the French >>
        An attempt by activists of the Ukrainian organization FEMEN to disrupt the march against gay marriage in Paris turned out to be a failure. Only the use of tear gas by police helped stop the beating of girls by members of the Catholic organization Civitas
    13. +4
      26 May 2013 22: 08
      Is there real patriotism among those (liberals) and these (patriots - "patriots")? Liberals call themselves patriots for the sake of demand, that is, it is fashionable now to be patriots. Otherwise, they will not be perceived in Russia at all (liberalism in Russia is a dirty word, perhaps that is why Zhirinovsky abandoned the full name of the party, moving to an abbreviated name - LDPR). Their play with patriotism evokes nothing but disgust. And what are the better patriots - "patriots"? Yes, nothing! For these, it manifests itself in wearing the St. George ribbon on Victory Day, shouting wherever possible about love "for native birches", and pounding on the chest, what patriots they are.
      There were at one time, in Russia, such people as Savva Morozov, Tretyakov, Ryabushinsy, Medvedev, and many others. They also had liberal views, but they did not talk about patriotism, but did things for the good of Russia and for Russia. All of them were rich people, and they were not afraid to spend part of their capital on the construction of museums (many, probably, were in the Tretyakov Gallery), hospitals (everyone heard the "Botkin Hospital"), and many other deeds useful for Russia. Here is a manifestation of patriotism in action.
      And already, in Soviet times, patriotism was "above the roof". The leap from agrarian Russia to an industrial state in the thirties of the twentieth century is not a manifestation of universal patriotism? The heroism and courage of the Soviet people during the Great Patriotic War at the front and in the rear, rising to the attack with a shout "For the Motherland!", And standing at the machine for 16-18 hours - is this not patriotism? Rebuilding the country, the atomic bomb and Gagarin in space - this is not patriotism? I think that this is real patriotism!
      Now there is no patriotism, but there is its semblance. On Victory Day, everyone becomes patriots. Everyone walks with St. George ribbons, gives flowers to veterans, lays flowers at monuments. And the next day? Patriotism ends! Someone is discussing how to leave "this Rashka", someone sitting in the metro does not give way to a veteran who received flowers yesterday, someone jokes about Russian cars and all Russian cars, praising Mercedes and Audi, and no one no longer cares about Russia. No need to be hypocritical, and agree that it is!
      And where does patriotism come from in our country? The President drives a Merina, Duma deputies and officials drive BMW and Merina, they keep their money abroad, thereby helping her mother, and Russia is considered a “cash cow”, they buy houses in London and Spain, the artists all live in Miami, and in Russia they go to "cut cabbage", and we pay them for concerts, and then they bring this money to American banks, and the common people, seeing all this, think: "Why love Russia? It's me he does not like letting the bureaucrat make fun of me, mock the employer, who bought a plant built by the whole world for vouchers, for the fact that they demanded money from me for teaching my children at school and for a visit to the doctor, for the fact that the children alone ride " Ferrari "in Switzerland, hiding from the military registration and enlistment office, and my child should die in Chechnya, not understanding why he is dying?" I thickened a little paint, but there is some truth in my words. "patriots" can instruct me about the minuses, but you must agree that this is true!
      1. dmb
        +1
        27 May 2013 10: 58
        You have written a lot, but to the point. This is actually evidenced by the deleted comment. For. if there is nothing to argue, they go over to swearing. I don't understand at all. why delete comments. "Everyone's foolishness should be visible," - so it seems Peter I used to say. I understand that the intellectual abilities of some commentators are so high that they use obscene language not instead of a link between the main words, but on the contrary, but it would be all the more fun to read comments consisting of ellipses.
        As for the topic itself, it is really not simple. Take the same Bolotnaya. On the first day, about 200 thousand came to it. Only lovers of ellipses can claim that they are all liberals, and United Russia is a symbol of patriotism and decency. Most people came to say they didn't. But when the "honest" Nemtsov and Kasyanov and Navalny and Sobchak stuck out on the platform of the rally, the number of people at the subsequent rallies fell sharply. And this is not at all because people began to love the EP and believed in its victory in the elections, but because they know the price of the above-mentioned crooks. Now ask the question, who would benefit from these clowns at the head of the protest movement? You can answer in the style of a three-volt citizen, but without thinking.
        1. fisherman
          0
          27 May 2013 11: 58
          let me...

          a) United Russia - after the fact
          b) to the liberal tribunes and heralds - publicity
          c) the so-called "pocket opposition" - the same
          d) US State Department - "divide and rule"

          and thanks for the discussion with Dagestan 333 ... more precisely, for the logic to the peak of emotions ...
          we can only add that the state school, by definition, is a secular institution, and trying to bring the religious component to one degree or another is the prerogative of the state, not private individuals ...

          if the state does this in a balanced and balanced manner, then the space of unity will not decrease, that is, the area of ​​discord will not increase ...

          but this is our common goal, another thing is that it is easier initially to keep religious figures aside from the sphere of education, and to keep it (this sphere) in a rigid unchanged form, where all children of all nationalities and faiths are equal in everything ...

          the reason for such a risky step by the authorities, in my opinion, is obvious - this is an attempt to replenish spiritual education (bonds)
          1. dmb
            +1
            27 May 2013 12: 54
            Thank you for your assessment, but let's get back to the logic. Are teachers all spiritless? Or are all clergymen spiritual? I strongly doubt both the first and second. What do you see the balanced state, and symmetrical to what it should act. Sorry, but this is a wisdom. I know many atheists who are cleaner and more decent than individual citizens who baptize their foreheads or perform prayers. (I remind EBN that I just didn’t hurt my forehead about the icon, and Basayev prayed regularly five times a day). I think it will be logical and if a person feels a lack of spirituality in school, then he makes up for it in the church in his spare time from school. And if he was given a portion of spirituality in the directive order at school. and in your free time you can have a beer, it’s somehow not very.
            1. fisherman
              0
              27 May 2013 14: 47
              "Teachers are all spiritless? Or are all priests spiritual? I strongly doubt both the first and the second."

              I, too, am very much in this, as well as in the opposite ...

              "Where do you see the balance of the state, and symmetrically to what it should act."

              - I did not say that I see a balanced approach, but it is possible ... but for now we see careful attempts at the so-called "initiative from above"

              (I want to say right away that almost all initiatives from above still end at best with half success, due to poor support from below)

              -symmetry - this is me 4 main faiths ...

              "Sorry, but this is quibbling"

              -it is possible, but I assure you that in my words there is no speculation (speculativeness)

              "I know a lot of atheists who are cleaner and more decent than individual citizens who baptize their foreheads or perform namaz. (I remind EBN that I didn’t knock my forehead against the icon, and Basayev regularly prayed five times a day)."

              - Comrade Posner very often uses the word "many", and the audience gets the feeling that these "many" are the overwhelming majority ...

              "I think it is logical and it will be, if a person feels a lack of spirituality at school, then he fills it up in church in his free time from school."

              -if you are talking about self-sufficient adults, then I absolutely agree with you ... I will add (as a believer) that JOINT camping trips to our native nature, to the theater, to the garage, to the celebration of May 9 ... are also useful ... for us - Orthodox - it is very important...

              "And if he was given a portion of spirituality in a directive manner at school. And in your free time you can have a beer, then this is somehow not very good."

              -and nothing to add, except perhaps ... it will be possible to speak of deliberation only after 20-30 years, we are at the very beginning ... but for now, I myself am watching this process with caution, just like you ...

              "there is an easy solution, but there is a correct one"
              1. dmb
                0
                27 May 2013 15: 49
                The analogy with Posner is not entirely clear. If I give you a list of the names of my friends atheists, it is unlikely that he will tell you anything. Of the well-known, Alferov, say Roshal. Do you have a claim to their decency and spirituality? Regarding the evaluation of the decision. In my opinion, the decision to admit the church (any) to school was easy. Why it is wrong, I substantiated in a discussion with Magomed. I can only add that it is absurd in one lesson to talk about the divine origin of man, and right there at the next to recall Darwin. In this case, the knowledge system is opposed to faith. Well, how's that for a teenage mind? But the child does not come to the temple himself; his parents bring him there. And it is their duty to explain to the child how faith differs from knowledge, and why they believe that one does not contradict the other. I think you should not shift this parental responsibility onto the shoulders of the teaching staff even by introducing a priest into it.
                1. fisherman
                  0
                  27 May 2013 16: 29
                  "The analogy with Posner is not entirely clear. If I give you a list of the names of my acquaintances atheists, it is unlikely that he will tell you anything. From the well-known, Alferov, say Roshal. Do you have any complaints about their decency and spirituality?"

                  -no ... moreover, I can continue this series ...

                  To complete the picture, I can cite the so-called "holy elders" as an example, I am sure that you have no complaints against them either ...

                  "In my opinion, the decision to admit the church (any) to the school was easy."

                  -It's great that you have your own point of view ...

                  "I can only add that it is absurd to talk about the divine origin of man in one lesson, and immediately remember Darwin in the next."

                  knowledge is never complete (paraphrased the main question of philosophy), which is why in the "History" section (knowledge about the past), for example, historical figures are assessed from different angles ... this is the only fact that cannot be disputed :)

                  "In this case, the knowledge system is opposed to faith"

                  Sorry, but knowledge is almost always opposed to faith, there is only a miserable minimum for which a person can be 100% sure ...

                  "I don't think it is worth shifting this parental responsibility onto the shoulders of the teaching staff, even by introducing a priest into it."

                  I completely agree with this answer, however, I must add that this is an ideal position for an ideal state ... and any priest will support you in this endeavor ...

                  "but always ask the people for the truth"
      2. 0
        30 May 2013 16: 40
        Quote: starshina78
        I have thickened a little paint, but there is some truth in my words
        Somehow contradictory perceived. Where did they thicken? And the share of truth is the share. Is it possible to write the whole truth in one post? Even the stabilization fund and the officially declared goals of its creation have not been mentioned. That is another masterpiece.
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  2. YaRusich
    +5
    26 May 2013 15: 50
    The question is churned out very carefully.


    which the author did again, only from a different perspective. It is difficult to perceive sentences in which out of 5 words 6 are the same belay

    Patriotism (from the Greek. Patriótes - compatriot, patrís - homeland, fatherland), love for the fatherland, devotion to it, the desire to serve its interests with its actions. P. - "... one of the deepest feelings, consolidated for centuries and millennia of isolated fatherlands" (Lenin V. I., Poln. Sobr. Soch., 5th ed., Vol. 37, p. 190).

    Liberasts, by definition, are not patriots because they serve anyone, but not to their homeland ....
    Either you are a patriot of your homeland or not, there should not be any subjunctive moods.
    1. AdAAkRuSS
      +12
      26 May 2013 16: 17
      Russophobe by definition cannot be a patriot of Russia.
      1. +1
        26 May 2013 17: 32
        Quote: AdAAkRuSS
        Russophobe by definition cannot be a patriot of Russia.

        It’s hard to argue.
    2. +1
      26 May 2013 18: 21
      Lenin?
      Well then, and this had to be copied from the Internet:
      Traditionally, the first liberal ideas belong to the era of antiquity, in particular, to the teachings of Socrates about the truth and his views on a just state
      Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of each person as the supreme value and establishes them as the legal basis of social and economic order. Moreover, the ability of the state and the church to influence the life of society is limited by the constitution. The most important freedoms in liberalism are freedom to speak out publicly, freedom to choose a religion, freedom to choose representatives in fair and free elections. In economic terms, the principles of liberalism are the inviolability of private property, freedom of trade and business. Legally, the principles of liberalism are the rule of law over the will of rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, position and influence. [1]
      1. fisherman
        -2
        26 May 2013 19: 18
        I didn’t wait on the other branch, maybe you will answer ...

        re:

        "- the right of the individual (or the will of the individual or private freedom) VS public law (or public interests or, for example, collegiality) eternal antagonists ... and so, which of these principles is the primary source of despotism-totalitarianism-Stalinism? ..
        "
        1. 0
          26 May 2013 21: 27
          I can’t understand the meaning of the quote. Is it somehow more accessible?
          1. fisherman
            +4
            26 May 2013 22: 51
            "the rule of law over the will of rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, position and influence. [1]"

            - this should be determined by a large mass of people (at all times), and not these or other individuals (always ask the people for truth)

            why exactly the people? .. because individuals unfortunately often have a desire to cheat, hiding behind the LETTER OF THE LAW, if necessary, I can give practical examples ...

            logic and only logic ... just in case, I remind you "address for correspondence" - "who thinks clearly - he clearly expounds" (Boileau)
            1. 0
              26 May 2013 23: 21
              if necessary, I can give practical examples ..
              and why? Does someone argue with you, or does not understand this?
              _______________________________________________________
              just in case, I remind you "address for correspondence" - "who thinks clearly - he clearly expounds"
              Your quote confirms this:
              "- the right of the individual (or the will of the individual or private freedom) VS public law (or public interests or, for example, collegiality) eternal antagonists ... and so, which of these principles is the primary source of despotism-totalitarianism-Stalinism? ..
              "
              1. fisherman
                0
                27 May 2013 02: 10
                yes ... one of these principles (principle, idea, cult, creed .......) is the primary source of such well-known and banal phenomena as despotism, Stalinism and so on ...

                the question was rhetorical, everything is so obvious
        2. fisherman
          +1
          26 May 2013 22: 54
          I’m not saying that it’s better to judge by actions, and not by one or another good blah blah ...
        3. Lion
          0
          27 May 2013 03: 23
          The individual's right is secondary to the collegiality of the entire civilization. A despot is one who puts himself above civilization, totalitarianism is generally out of place here, and Stalinism is the continuation of his great deeds, for the good of civilization !!!
      2. 0
        27 May 2013 00: 17
        the problem is that RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS are recognized as the highest value, and where are the responsibilities ???
        1. fisherman
          +1
          27 May 2013 02: 15
          but it must be the opposite, there are holy words such as "duty, people, Fatherland ........" they are a semantic synonym for the word Love ...

          but there are "saints" for the lurid cunning-timers ... these are all words starting with I ... are synonymous - pride (and the vector is the opposite, not for your neighbor, but for yourself)
  3. AdAAkRuSS
    +2
    26 May 2013 16: 14
    Something is no minuses, while liberals have not got here. laughing
    1. 0
      26 May 2013 16: 51
      Minus to minus will be a plus. Libreroids have a day off.
  4. -7
    26 May 2013 16: 15
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Hello patriots to Ur. I take patriotic seeds and sit down to look at the public.
    1. +3
      26 May 2013 16: 24
      Quote: Mechanic
      I take patriotic seeds and sit down to look at the public.

      Something I don’t recognize you, I don’t recognize you lately, Eugene gave you a plus, but really wanted to slap you a minus. Your komenty slipped to the level of a troll. I feel ashamed of you, I think you need to reconsider your point of view.
      1. +1
        26 May 2013 16: 30
        Skin color turns green. and in general why rejoice then? I put a minus to the traitor of the motherland, without any regret.
        1. 0
          26 May 2013 16: 33
          Quote: Mechanic
          . and in general why rejoice then?

          Oh, well, it’s necessary, here the minus has flown from you, but it was worth it to leave only one comment to you. I’m returning Zhenechka to you, I didn’t think that you were capable of such cheap moves. MINUS !!!
          1. +1
            26 May 2013 16: 35
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Oh, well, it’s necessary, here the minus has flown from you, but it was worth it to leave only one comment to you. I’m returning Zhenechka to you, I didn’t think that you were capable of such cheap moves. MINUS !!!
            Romanov, you never knew anything. You always get out like 3 volt on rotten patriotism
            1. -2
              26 May 2013 16: 39
              Quote: Mechanic
              Romanov, you never knew anything.

              Oh, you’re our literate one, you would have been in turtles for a long time if you hadn’t been making a man out of yourself. But now I’m not surprised by your comments, all your rotten nature has climbed out. And you graduated from our institutes, and you call Ferman Ferman. Right are those who said that in science we are not the best people !!! Eternal minus
              1. -2
                26 May 2013 16: 42
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Oh, you’re our literate one, you would have been in turtles for a long time if you hadn’t been making a man out of yourself. But now I’m not surprised by your comments, all your rotten nature has climbed out. And you graduated from our institutes, and you call Ferman Ferman. Right are those who said that in science we are not the best people !!! Eternal minus
                Yes, and do not care. While the skulls are hanging on me
                1. -3
                  26 May 2013 16: 57
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  While the skulls are hanging on me

                  Zhenechka, but this is a direct insult. That there is a violation of the rules of Sait!
                  Warning to you, Mr. Moderator and a well-deserved minus!
                  1. -1
                    26 May 2013 17: 01
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Zhenechka, but this is a direct insult. That there is a violation of the rules of Sait!
                    Warning to you, Mr. Moderator and a well-deserved minus!

                    Yes, and do not care pseudopathy. No better than the Obama monkey.
                    1. +2
                      26 May 2013 17: 10
                      Quote: Mechanic
                      Yes, and do not care pseudopathy. No better than the Obama monkey.


                      no comment. I asked for it myself laughing
                      1. +4
                        26 May 2013 17: 13
                        +++ Curly he is prettier! laughing
                      2. +4
                        26 May 2013 17: 22
                        Apollo! I can not send you a message in PM They say you're overworked hi
                      3. -2
                        26 May 2013 17: 22
                        Quote: Apollon
                        ez comments. I asked for it
                        And I like it))))))))))))))) Unlike you, he even achieved something.
                      4. +1
                        26 May 2013 17: 25
                        I also want to be born in Jamaica! laughing
                      5. +1
                        26 May 2013 17: 33
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        Unlike you, he achieved at least something.

                        I will not even comment on this nonsense
                2. 0
                  26 May 2013 17: 00
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  I take patriotic seeds and ...

                  The main thing is not to choke winked
                  ps
                  LocomotiveI’ve been waiting for a list of 10 units from you for a year. according to pr.11661
                  1. 0
                    26 May 2013 17: 21
                    Quote: FoMaS
                    Steam engine, I've been waiting for a list of 10 units from you for a year now. according to pr.11661

                    Well, as you know, they have been waiting for the promised 3 years, so I'm afraid you won’t get anything from the Mechanic. One blah blah blah and I know everything.
                    1. +5
                      26 May 2013 17: 30
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      One blah blah blah and I know everything.

                      Guys and from what chain did everyone break? what Or is it to spice up a day off wassat
                      1. +1
                        26 May 2013 17: 40
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Or is it to spice up a day off

                        Ruslan, yes, they revived, everyone could think about anyone, but not about Mehnik. The best option minus put and pass by. As a saying, don’t touch it.
                      2. +4
                        26 May 2013 17: 42
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        yes revived

                        I honestly was stunned by such a pitch what
                    2. w.ebdo.g
                      +3
                      26 May 2013 17: 51
                      since the middle of this month all evil spirits have intensified not only on the Internet, but also in the North Caucasus and other regions of Russia.
                      there is a systematic offensive process to prepare public opinion.
                      preparing a mess in the near future.
                      therefore, on all sites that until then have sat peacefully and earned a reputation for their sensible statements, they begin to turn briskly through 180 degrees and become in the ranks of acupuncturers ...
                      therefore, it is not surprising that the mechanic behaves this way.
                      for subversive ideology, those who earned respect and rating are of particular value))))
                      I think so.
                      Sanya, hi!

                      1. 0
                        26 May 2013 18: 16
                        Quote: w.ebdo.g
                        since the middle of this month all evil spirits have intensified not only on the Internet, but also in the North Caucasus and other regions of Russia.

                        Hello, Sergey! Do not say, just seeing the full moon affects the liberal public. For koment +, although judging by the fact that they put you cons. You are right and more than once.
                      2. djon3volta
                        +1
                        26 May 2013 18: 43
                        Quote: w.ebdo.g
                        preparing a mess in the near future.

                        According to "reliable" information received from opposition leaders (Neumann
                        Nemtsov and Vanstein-Kasparov) around Triumfalnaya Square in
                        there are about 10 Topol-M complexes in the lanes ... also in the lanes there are about 50 tanks of the Dzerzhinsky division, camouflaged as intercity buses ... on the roofs there are snipers armed exclusively with Igla MANPADS ... in total, according to assurances opposition leaders, around Triumfalnaya Square, there are about 100 thousand military personnel, undercover under correspondents, janitors and ordinary walking citizens ...
                      3. Gemar
                        +4
                        26 May 2013 19: 08
                        Quote: djon3volta
                        According to "reliable" information received from opposition leaders

                        Judging by the reaction of site visitors to your statements (rating), you yourself are in opposition here. So now prove to honest people that you are not a liberal! tongue
                      4. djon3volta
                        0
                        26 May 2013 19: 35
                        Quote: Gamar
                        You yourself are in opposition here.

                        what kind of opposition am I in? everyone already knows what kind of Putin am I. and the koment that you wrote about the mess has been spreading gossip, as well as the Germans about the Chechens who have been stationed, before the rallies in December 2011, 6 thousand Chechens arrived in rallies Moscow to disperse rallies, has anyone seen at least one Chechen at a rally? laughing
                        the same thing and you read koment launched into the network, they say the mess will be soon, like after the Olympics, a war will begin in the Caucasus laughing Are you Nastradamus or Wang? I believe that in America the civil war will begin soon, why did they pack 500 thousand plastic coffins and bought millions of rounds of ammunition? Are they preparing? Ahh, that's it ..
                        ps - if there is no news, I invent them. M. Twain.
                      5. Gemar
                        +1
                        26 May 2013 22: 31
                        Quote: djon3volta
                        Are you Nastradamus or Wang? I believe that in America the civil war will begin soon, why did they pack 500 thousand plastic coffins and bought millions of rounds of ammunition? Are they preparing? Ahh, that's it ..

                        My dear man, I read your statements and I am scared for you ...
                        Quote: djon3volta
                        what kind of opposition am i in?

                        I repeat for particularly quick-witted:
                        Quote: Gamar
                        Judging by the reaction of site visitors to your statements (rating), you yourself are in opposition here.

                        You will guess that this is a joke of humor, or ... wassat
                        Quote: djon3volta
                        arrived in Moscow to disperse rallies

                        That's all .. trash! As friends in Vladik, we went to the New Year tree. Fortunately, some of them managed to get acquainted with the heifers and go to the Rstoranchik to eat ... Another Moscow riot police beat mercilessly - "they say, you see, they are against increasing duties." Nobody cared that the students were just walking. Once crowded (around the tree), it means the opposition!
                        This is what I mean. Tie up your paranoia about the opposition. It is not the oppositionists who arrange terrorist attacks, it is not the oppositionists who distribute Russian lands to the Chinese, it is not oppositionists who sell drugs. Understand, in the country and without the "liberals" ... there is enough. hi
                      6. 0
                        30 May 2013 17: 11
                        Quote: Gamar
                        Once crowded (around the tree), then the opposition!
                        This is what I mean. Tie up your paranoia about the opposition. It is not the oppositionists who arrange terrorist attacks, it is not the oppositionists who distribute Russian lands to the Chinese, it is not oppositionists who sell drugs. Understand, in the country and without the "liberals" ... there is enough.

                        A good conclusion, plus, definitely. For a complete description of the situation, I would like to add that not all oppositionists are "liberals" and so on, but they are put on the same shelf with puskov and the like. It is very convenient and, many seem to be normal, but underway. It's a shame, however.
              2. +4
                26 May 2013 17: 42
                Quote: Mechanic
                Romanov, you never knew anything. You always get out like 3 volt on rotten patriotism

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Oh, you’re our literate one, you would have been in turtles for a long time if you hadn’t been making a man out of yourself. But now I’m not surprised by your comments, all your rotten nature has climbed out. And you graduated from our institutes, and you call Ferman Ferman. Right are those who said that in science we are not the best people !!! Eternal minus

                Hmm, and when they were friends.
                1. -2
                  26 May 2013 18: 16
                  Quote: tronin.maxim
                  Hmm, and when they were friends.

                  I am ashamed to recall this.
                2. +3
                  26 May 2013 18: 47
                  Quote: tronin.maxim
                  Hmm, and when they were friends.
                  When?
                3. +3
                  26 May 2013 18: 51
                  Quote: tronin.maxim
                  Hmm, and when they were friends.

                  It was recently, it was a long time ago!
      2. +2
        26 May 2013 17: 21
        Your minus will play a big role in his life)
  5. +3
    26 May 2013 16: 24
    homosexuality is taken out of the closet, and patriotism is hidden there

    O tempora! O mores! O times! Oh manners!
  6. +3
    26 May 2013 16: 27
    very interesting opinion!
    and yes, one should not always judge liberal thought according to Gozman and the like
    1. fisherman
      +5
      26 May 2013 19: 22
      yes ... it’s better to judge not by words, but by deeds ...

      True, there are situations where the word is an act ...
  7. AlSuGe777
    +10
    26 May 2013 16: 33
    Patriotism is still a willingness to sacrifice part of one’s beliefs and aspirations in the name of the Motherland, and “love of the Motherland” is just a declaration of one’s intentions. Therefore, there are no types and subspecies of patriotism, there is only one single Patriotism. If you are ready to sacrifice something for the good of the Motherland, then you are the Patriot.
    1. 0
      26 May 2013 17: 40
      I agree to all 100. +
    2. fisherman
      -1
      26 May 2013 19: 23
      - the right of the individual (or the will of the individual or private freedom) VS public law (or public interests or eg collegiality) are eternal antagonists ... so, which of these principles is the primary source of despotism-totalitarianism-Stalinism? ..

      I asked this question on another branch, I did not wait for an answer :))
      1. 0
        30 May 2013 18: 08
        Quote: fisherman
        ... and so, which of these principles is the primary source of despotism-totalitarianism-Stalinism? .. I asked this question on another branch, I did not wait for an answer :)
        None and any of the above. If this question torments you so much, I can express my opinion, provided that we remove "Stalinism" from this triad, it is not in the subject here, unambiguously.

        "Eternal antagonists" are the interests of the individual, society and the state, which are supposed to be balanced by the joint efforts of the subjects of state administration of the country. The state is the main subject of government, and it is an instrument for protecting the interests of the ruling class, and therefore also an instrument for suppressing the non-ruling class. In the general case, the elite are always representatives of the ruling class. We are talking about "despotism-totalitarianism" (by the way, with the second term, too, not everything will be unambiguous if you turn to the primary sources) only when the balance of interests is violated and the rights of the majority are violated in the interests of a minority (a general case) or the rights of, say, national minorities in some cases. In this case, the source of despotism is the public interest. In an antagonistic class society (from history), not the entire population (slaves in Ancient Greece) is a people and, therefore, in our understanding, a society. However, regardless of the presence of a dictator or a collective body of government, these are people, individuals, and if in the process of government their corporate interest (taking care of a decent degree of remuneration for their unproductive labor, for example) comes to the fore, then in this case the primary source of despotism will be the will of the individual - the person whose prerogative is the final decision-making or even a relatively small group in collusion. Here the insignificant can be neglected - at the heart of the usurpation of opportunities for the dictate of personal needs over public ones. In short, where from the weaknesses of the personality, not limited by barriers, you can get away. Stalins are born only once in a thousand years. Here I probably lied - they are born a lot more often, only they do not always strive for power, or they strive, but they do not get there. So I think.
        1. 0
          30 May 2013 18: 52
          PS Anticipating a possible question, I note that even in a class society, performing the functions of suppression, the state punishes the ruling class representatives who have violated the laws - there are classic examples in the textbooks of popular philosophy (we are not talking about modern Russia, the country at this stage of its development is not our subject analysis), as well as other individuals or large groups of people at once (suppressing riots, for example), regardless of nationality, and all this is in the public interest. So the example of the resettlement of peoples under Stalin does not put in the proposed triad. At least until the public recognition of the absence of the most urgent need in this decision at that time. From a position of resettled, this is unfair. From the position of any person, the relocation of the truly innocent of them is also unfair (was it possible to avoid this injustice in that situation?). From the standpoint of the interests of all the people of the country, I don’t know, because I don’t have the fullness of information on the specific historical situation. Let historians prove: the period of Stalinism is a period of despotism or not. According to the information that I rated as reliable, Stalin is no more a tyrant than any commander in wartime conditions. What am I, read the research on this issue by the ardent anti-adviser N. Starikov
  8. +3
    26 May 2013 16: 33
    Strange disputes are about patriotism. Sometimes you stop understanding what people are arguing about. The so-called patriots and the so-called liberals argue about this:

    "We love Russia". "And we love and want good for her!" "But you don't respect Russian history!"


    At one time, Aesop said: "I know that I do not know anything, and they do not even know that." This is me about libleroids.
    1. Yarosvet
      0
      27 May 2013 02: 34
      Quote: v53993
      At one time, Aesop said: "I know that I do not know anything, and they do not even know that." This is me about libleroids.

      Socrates.
  9. +7
    26 May 2013 16: 44
    Patriotism is the love of the motherland and the willingness to defend it to the last breath. Liberals, this is not characteristic by definition.
  10. +5
    26 May 2013 16: 55
    "There is only one freshness - the first, it is the last", as Comrade Woland used to say. Patriotism either exists or it does not exist, everything else is "patriotic patriots", "patriots-liberals", etc., from the Evil One ...
  11. +3
    26 May 2013 16: 58
    Even in the Russo-Japanese War of the 1904-1905 years, Russian liberals wanted to defeat Russia in the war.The liberal cannot be a patriot, he despises his country, is ashamed of his traditions, is ready to sell his homeland for thirty silver coins. I hope the time will come when we will get rid of liberal liberals.
    1. +1
      26 May 2013 17: 41
      [quote = slaventi] Back in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, Russian liberals wanted Russia's defeat in the war.

      Yes ... And the Bolsheviks in World War I sincerely wished for the defeat of Russia. Not so simple. But we must talk about love for our homeland. As always true patriots and true sons of the Fatherland have always done. For example, Sergey Yesenin; “I LOVE THE HOMELAND. I VERY LOVE THE MOTHERLAND ... ”Notice, without an exclamation mark, quietly, but firmly.
  12. mogus
    0
    26 May 2013 17: 13
    something began to meet girls who instead of dolls choose cars, the railway, but here patriotism is obviously too much
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    2. -1
      26 May 2013 17: 38
      Photo-super! At the current level of homosexuals (sorry, liberal values), by 2020 only our daughters and my son will protect the country!
    3. Genady1976
      0
      26 May 2013 17: 40
      the boys mow down from the army and the girls will go to serve the motherland
      1. MG42
        +6
        26 May 2013 19: 12
        Quote: Genady1976
        girls will go to serve the motherland

        Homeland is written with a capital letter.
        1. Genady1976
          +3
          26 May 2013 19: 19
          I am not Russian, I have a 100% discount
          but I’ve been living in Russia all my life and am proud of it
    4. 0
      26 May 2013 18: 05
      And thrashes with the MG-42. Is it true? Or am I wrong?
      1. Genady1976
        0
        26 May 2013 18: 28
        Yes (Maschinengewehr 42) and I didn’t stop it right away
        1. -2
          26 May 2013 18: 36
          Quote: Den 11
          And pounding with MG-42

          Quote: Genady1976
          Yes (Maschinengewehr 42) and I didn’t stop it right away


          Maybe MG3 too? In short, not a "nashenskaya" girl ... or maybe this is a "liberal" boy?
          1. mogus
            +1
            26 May 2013 18: 50
            maybe dad gave the trophy wink
            1. +1
              26 May 2013 18: 59
              Quote: mogus
              maybe dad gave the trophy

              Then - great-grandfather ... And this is a family heirloom ... Well, "in each hut - their toys"
          2. 0
            26 May 2013 20: 56
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Den 11
            And pounding with MG-42

            Quote: Genady1976
            Yes (Maschinengewehr 42) and I didn’t stop it right away


            Maybe MG3 too? In short, not a "nashenskaya" girl ... or maybe this is a "liberal" boy?

            This girl, girl, not boy. He lives in America. And with a machine gun - it's dad pampers her, recently, so she bought a new rifle.
            1. 0
              26 May 2013 20: 58
              Some kind of "machine gun festival"? I heard that the Americans are doing these. You only have to pay for the ammo.
            2. 0
              26 May 2013 21: 00
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              This girl, girl, not boy. He lives in America. And with a machine gun - it's dad pampers her, recently, so she bought a new rifle.
              Well, it happens with dads, they themselves have not "played enough" in childhood, so they buy children all kinds of "nasty"
            3. 0
              26 May 2013 21: 17
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              it's dad pampers her


              But this is no longer for toys ...

    5. 0
      26 May 2013 18: 22
      Quote: mogus
      something began to meet girls who instead of dolls choose cars, the railway, but here patriotism is obviously too much

      Yes, something in this world has clearly changed and I think not for the better negative
      1. mogus
        0
        26 May 2013 18: 54
        it always has been, a generation of parents does not accept the direction of offspring request
        my generation has some loss (30 years), but it’s understandable how they weren’t lost at all ... in the 90s
    6. +1
      26 May 2013 18: 56
      Quote: mogus
      something began to meet girls who choose cars instead of dolls,

      And it all starts with this
    7. MG42
      +1
      26 May 2013 19: 03
      Quote: mogus
      the place of the dolls is chosen by cars, the railroad, but here patriotism is obviously too much

      and where in this photo you saw "patriotism" in what is expressed here in your opinion?
      Quote: Den 11
      pounding Is it true? Or am I wrong?

      Have you heard about the recoil in this machine gun?
      1. 0
        26 May 2013 20: 18
        Of course I heard more than that! But it's just a photo. Want to discuss?
        1. MG42
          +2
          26 May 2013 20: 44
          Quote: Den 11
          . Want to debate?

          No. This is not a discussion, and the bazaar is off topic.
          On the topic of the branch = your position is clear >> here are your answers in the topic << How Ivan Kozhedub shot down Americans >>
          Quote: Den 11
          I mean it and measure! I am simply infuriated by this "hurray-patriotism". We will tear everyone, we’ll break everyone! We need to learn from our enemies!

          Quote: Den 11
          I just want to convey that we were not the "coolest" in the Air Force. You need to learn from your enemies! parachute Germans, Germans (the bulk), never! They considered it beneath their dignity! And rightly so !!!

          Quote: Den 11
          It is interesting, what would be the outcome of the war if Japan attacked us at the same time (1941)? One can only guess! One thing is for sure: there would be a complete asshole! I hope this is not necessary to prove?
          1. -3
            26 May 2013 22: 04
            Well, what did you want to prove with this (quoting my quotes)? I don’t refuse one iota! Do you disagree with something? Let's argue! Without going over to the person and on the topic!
      2. 0
        26 May 2013 20: 52
        Quote: MG42
        Have you heard about the recoil in this machine gun?

        Is she very big? More than 16 gauge duck shot? And then I shot from this in the second grade. Standing with a horn.
        1. MG42
          +1
          26 May 2013 20: 59
          Quote: Spade
          Is she very big?

          For this girl is great, study the materiel >> for the brigade "tankmen" branch about patriotism, write on the topic or in a personal. You know who is answering the question with the question.
          1. +1
            26 May 2013 21: 08
            So how big? So much so that you begin to rush on all in a row?

            To write about patriotism? This is not particularly interesting. Philosophy, etit her. And here is a specific example: a girl learns to be a patriot and respect the US Constitution, the second amendment.
            This is for Americans one of the pillars of the state.
            1. MG42
              +2
              26 May 2013 21: 16
              Quote: Spade
              So much so that you begin to rush on all in a row?

              No i'm calm wink
              Quote: Spade
              To write about patriotism? This is not particularly interesting.

              It is about patriotism, and the branch about it is relevant today.
              Quote: Spade
              And here is a concrete example: a girl learns to be a patriot and respect the US Constitution for the second amendment.
              This is for Americans one of the pillars of the state.

              A little girl with a machine gun looks crazy = I don’t see any patriotism ..
              1. -1
                26 May 2013 21: 52
                Quote: MG42
                It is about patriotism, and the branch about it is relevant today.

                What's relevant? Thousands of hamsters beating themselves in the chest with their heels screaming "I'm a patriot"? Because it's trendy?
                Yesterday I watched a program on local television - "patriots" in our sea. There are not enough turners and milling machines

                Quote: MG42
                A little girl with a machine gun looks crazy = I don’t see any patriotism ..

                And for the Americans, the children’s guard of honor at the Eternal Flame look delusional.
                They have their own traditions, we have our own.
                Although how to say, my sister was the first to shoot a machine gun at 15.
                1. MG42
                  +4
                  26 May 2013 22: 09
                  Patriotism must be educated from childhood, but not with a machine gun must begin ...
                  1. +1
                    26 May 2013 22: 28
                    Quote: MG42
                    Patriotism must be educated from childhood, but not with a machine gun must begin ...

                    Why not? Here I am, for example, at the shooting ranges from kindergarten. As a result, my parents did not succeed in driving me to the institute; I went to the school to continue the dynasty.
                    And I started with a machine gun
                    1. MG42
                      +6
                      26 May 2013 22: 46
                      Quote: Spade
                      Why not?

                      You need to start with fairy tales and cartoons, at that age, good kind ones, just instill in your child a love for the Motherland, tell and show. Who grew up in the USSR remembers the pioneer camps perfectly, how everything was set there in terms of patriotism, before the school there were October students, high school students of the Komsomol, etc.
                      In the end, that there should be Santa Claus from Veliky Ustyug, and not Santa Claus from Lapland, etc.
                      1. -4
                        26 May 2013 22: 55
                        Yeah. Tales, cartoons, pioneer camps, October camps, pioneers, Komsomol members ... A huge propaganda machine. With a huge staff. Which the USSR could not save.
                        Moreover, those former October Revolutionaries, pioneers and Komsomol members tore to pieces the Power ...

                        Better a machine gun, it is more reliable.
                      2. MG42
                        +4
                        26 May 2013 23: 16
                        In this case, the Kalash will fit, then Santa, mycimaus and gays ..
              2. +2
                27 May 2013 08: 00
                Quote: MG42
                A little girl with a machine gun looks crazy = I don’t see any patriotism ..

                Here is our patriotism))
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca67YZRaXpE
        2. +2
          26 May 2013 22: 18
          7,92-return of course there is, but believe me very tolerant. Even aiming can be naughty
    8. 0
      26 May 2013 20: 22
      In what form she is! She would have stuck a target on her forehead, any sniper would get it.
      1. 0
        26 May 2013 20: 40
        Do you want to explain this to a 12-year-old girl?
    9. 0
      26 May 2013 23: 43
      this American machine gun contrasts very cool with the pink hare headphones laughing there is a smoke and a smoke coming from the machine gun and if you look closely, the sleeve flies out well, don’t believe that a little girl, pressing a blanket against the leader, puts pressure on the machine gun’s hook and you understand that after that there will be this action in the strange snowy-muddy place, obviously not American base laughing just do davolno awkward photo at first glance do not find a lot of discrepancies? photoshop is fine but of high quality, you’ll excuse me, I’ve just been creating such pictures for a poem, looking at the site, I immediately fell down on this photo and noticed inconsistencies in the photo.hi I could be wrong but ...
  13. +2
    26 May 2013 17: 27
    Patriotism starts from your yard, as it used to be, try to smoke in front of older boys, about drinking and not talking, from friendship in the yard, playing football and hockey for 8 hours in a row and so on, and now beer was taught, at best, slurp over the past decades and want to wean and instill a love for the homeland in a year, it does not happen
  14. +1
    26 May 2013 17: 35
    A symbol of hope. The time has come ...

    We are brothers and sisters of a single family working and serving, following our ancestors, who dreamed of happiness and justice, a peaceful, well-fed, free, dignified and joyful life in a union of non-Western peoples, we believe in the imminent transformation of our Fatherland into the Kingdom of Truth predicted by the prophets ".

    The truth is always bitter. And bitterness in the hearts of people grows from the fact that the power of all branches has forgotten about honor. In pursuit of profit, entrepreneurs are rapidly losing their conscience. And the people, in their innocence, fell into stupid indifference, mischievously called the strange word "tolerance."

    The slogan of power about the "triumph of the law" is in fact undermined by pervasive bribery. And in the appeal of the opposition: “Down with the regime of crooks and thieves” there is no sincerity of the righteous.

    The beautiful words of the European constitution, cut out in a logical and convincing way, do not warm the soul, for “they wanted the best,” but in reality, “as always,” they got something completely different: under the cover of the gracious phrase about “human rights,” vile permissiveness crawled. Love is impoverished. Faith is undermined. There remains the hope that dies last. And - a miracle: the heart of the people still hopes that good will be called good, and for evil - justice will be the answer.

    It is hoped that, by the Will of Heaven, the Spirit of Justice will fall upon the crafty illusion of a “feast of life” with the sword of punishment “according to their works”. By judgment and punishment he will clear the path of virtue: strengthen the spirit, enlighten thought, comfort the soul, invigorate the relaxed flesh into a common cause for the common good.

    Hope in our family of peoples of different faiths and customs is associated with the coming to the top of the country's power “with the name short Russia” of the Leader-Father, a loving people, stern and fair. For the reprisal against evil by the people themselves is carried out in our country not by a decisive vote on party lists, but as a sudden "rebellion, senseless and merciless."

    In fulfillment of this hope, we, reasonable from the people, in accordance with the constitutionally granted right to assembly, have created the Council of All the Earth of the Russian state. A public organization for the preparation of the Zemsky Sobor and the organization of the solemn endowment of the head of state - the Sovereign - with the heavy crown of the yoke of the Tsar of Truth that was foreseen for Russia for a short time.
    http://www.peremeny.ru/books/osminog/7663#more-7663
    1. 0
      26 May 2013 19: 42
      I agree, only you need to speak shorter and more understandable for people.
  15. MG42
    +2
    26 May 2013 18: 05
    The theme song was remembered ..

    R \ S Liberal lives by the principle of well where we are not ..
  16. 0
    26 May 2013 18: 28
    ,, Someone sitting abroad, on holidays, drinks vodka under dumplings, sings alone war songs and writes patriotic posts in LJ. Also love. ,,
    This is not patriotism, this is nostalgia! The author you are wrong !!!
  17. +7
    26 May 2013 18: 30
    Guys You still begin to measure by pipisky! Everyone has their own opinion and do not slide down to insults.
    1. Genady1976
      +2
      26 May 2013 18: 36
      that's it drinks WORLD FRIENDSHIP GUM
    2. +4
      26 May 2013 19: 41
      You still begin to measure pipiski!

      1. +3
        26 May 2013 20: 16
        - Vladimir Volfovich?
        - What do you want? What do you want?
        - Vladimir Volfovich, you said if you are elected president
        all Russians will be free. What does it mean?
        - Are you a citizen of Russia? Are you a citizen of Russia?
        - Yes, I am a citizen of Russia.
        - Free! I said, free!
        1. +1
          26 May 2013 20: 47
          yes, just a little different:

          Do you live in a free country?
          Da
          -free!
  18. +4
    26 May 2013 18: 33
    When, in a distant youth, after reading the "golden calf" I met the image of a Russian liberal there.

    PS: By the way, there is also given a recipe for dealing with this phenomenon.
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  20. +2
    26 May 2013 18: 36
    Well, you said: liberals are patriots, and they are also democrats. Yes, they are just a 5th column among us. That's why they are ashamed of their homeland.
  21. Genady1976
    +2
    26 May 2013 18: 51
    I hope everyone knows by patriots wink

    Russia is our sacred state
    Russia is our favorite country.
    Mighty will, great glory -
    Your wealth for all time!

    Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
    The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
    Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
    Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!

    From the southern seas to the polar region
    Spread our forests and fields.
    You alone in the world! You are the only one -
    God's native land!

    Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
    The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
    Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
    Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!

    Wide space for dreams and for life
    The future is open to us for years.
    Our loyalty to the Fatherland gives us strength.
    It was so, so it is and always will be so!

    Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
    The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
    Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
    Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!
  22. Borat
    0
    26 May 2013 18: 57
    In general, I agree. But why should patriotism be flashy and brainless !?
    Brainless, as in the photo indicated in the article: there is a child with a flag LIKE LIKE the flag of his native country (there is no double-headed eagle on the flag of the Russian Federation, he is on the president’s standard), and the St. George ribbon is tied to the pole (a sign of the warrior’s valor on the battlefield, which is worthy of the participant Afghan or Chechen war, but not a child). Or the rally on Victory Day in a car with a black-yellow-white flag of the Romanovs - this is already generally no way ...
  23. +1
    26 May 2013 19: 19
    Related to this article. The feeling is as if a bad boy is probing the opinion of other boys ... the author offended me a little: he wants to put everything in chests. But in general, such articles smell of rot ... My opinion is this: patriotism is when the enemy in the face for the Motherland. The rest is from the evil one, or the chatter of our Western "partners" who sleep and dream when they gouge Russia. This article contributes to this ... I think that the author of the article is masculine, that is, not a sheep, probably a masculine sheep
    1. Oboz
      0
      26 May 2013 21: 04
      FINE!!!!!
  24. +1
    26 May 2013 19: 29
    Patriotism is the last refuge of villains (I didn’t think it seems to be Churchill) This expression fully refers to Russian politicians. For them, patriotism is a product that they sell and earn money from it. Many of them have dual citizenship. And true patriots live outside the MKAD. In their midst, it is not customary to flaunt their patriotic feelings, and even earn political capital on this.
  25. 0
    26 May 2013 19: 43
    Quote: Denis
    The Russian side refused to fulfill the order for the supply of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria, The Sunday Times reports citing a senior official who wished to remain anonymous.

    According to the official, during a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the question was raised that Russian launchers could fall into the hands of anti-Israeli rebel groups. Those, in turn, can use weapons against Russian civilian liners that land or take off at Ben Gurion International Airport in Israel.
    The Russian side refused to supply weapons to Syria on the condition that Israel refrain from further air attacks in Syria.
    The contract for the supply of four launchers was concluded in 2010. Last year, at the request of Israel, Russia postponed the transfer of the first batch of S-300 to Syrian government forces.
    Read more on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/news/239701-rossiya-otkazalas-postavlyat-v-siriyu-raketno-z

    enitnye-kompleksy-s300
    ONLY WHAT I READ, HOW TO UNDERSTAND IT ?????

    S-400 will supply ... laughing
  26. Vtel
    +2
    26 May 2013 19: 45
    I admit that a person of liberal views carries a love for his homeland

    I do not argue, but I would like to clarify which one. Russia and liberalism are different poles, Russia is from God and for God, and kosher libers from their greed and for their own selfishness. True patriots will only show themselves in the real case. Glory to Russia!
  27. Captain Vrungel
    +5
    26 May 2013 19: 57
    On May 26, 1829, the 18th cannon brig "Mercury", under the command of Lieutenant-Commander A. Kazarsky, patrolling in the Bosphorus region, entered into battle with a Turkish squadron that outnumbered the brig "Mercury" in guns 10 times and destroyed two Turkish battleships. On the monument in Sevastopol, in honor of the brig "Mercury", it is written briefly but clearly "For Descendants as an Example". In honor of the feat, for the first time, an honorary guards flag was presented, and the sailors on the peakless caps of St. George's black and orange, gunpowder and flame, a ribbon.
    Equal to THESE PATRIOTS. HONOR and GLORY of Russia. St. George ribbon-HOLY SYMBOL of patriotism and feat of our people.
  28. +5
    26 May 2013 20: 07
    Eh Russia !!! forever we rush from one extreme to another I remember in the recent past the word "patriot" was abusive .. Now a patriot sits on a patriot and drives a patriot)))) How would we not be patriot again .. !!! In Russia, a certain circle of society has already formed which, as they say, "keeps its nose in the wind" who know how to say what is expected of them .. Real patriots silently reluctantly work with their teeth at the machines in the field, they drive wickedness over the mountains and not for money and do not beat themselves in the chest ..that's what I wanted to say
  29. +2
    26 May 2013 20: 10
    A liberal cannot be a patriot, patriotism is a duty and responsibility, and liberalism rejects duties in relation to a country, state, and people.
    The liberals have no Fatherland, this is unacceptable, as it imposes obligations.
  30. +3
    26 May 2013 20: 31
    Patriotism and liberalism is like gender separation by gender. It all starts with the family.
    A cell of society where vaccines are grafted from diapers public interest and the values ​​of the homeland will for the most part educate the patriot.
    Cosmopolitan families inculcate other values. Personal Benefits and DOT.
    The rest is not for them. They bring up the adaptist - the individualist.
    Realizing their inferiority, these individuals get into aggressive packs and dictate their installations to society through their media, radio, and television.
    Since they oppose the official policy of the state, having links with foreign intelligence agencies have a financial and ideological resource incomparable with patriots.
    1. fisherman
      +2
      26 May 2013 20: 53
      yes ... right on target ...

      re:

      "" intellectual (Western concept) - a person who does everything for his success, his career

      intellectual (eastern concept) - a person who does everything to remain a person in any situation "

      here, there is often a substitution of concepts, that is, they are trying to call us modern-day parasites, nihilists, office careerists, glamorous white-bellied artists and other creative people, as intelligentsia ....

      but they are ordinary intellectuals ... "
  31. +2
    26 May 2013 20: 33
    A sense of kinship connects you with the earth, history, people, literature and music, with language - the spiritual and material cosmos in which you took place, and you yourself are a complex system of spiritual and material connections.


    Very well said.
    Article plus.
  32. +3
    26 May 2013 21: 01
    Quote: individ
    Patriotism and liberalism is like gender separation by gender. It all starts with the family.
    A cell of society where vaccines are grafted from diapers public interest and the values ​​of the homeland will for the most part educate the patriot.
    Cosmopolitan families inculcate other values. Personal Benefits and DOT.
    The rest is not for them. They bring up the adaptist - the individualist.
    Realizing their inferiority, these individuals get into aggressive packs and dictate their installations to society through their media, radio, and television.
    Since they oppose the official policy of the state, having links with foreign intelligence agencies have a financial and ideological resource incomparable with patriots.

    Correctly written !! We adults understand that .. They’re processing our children now .. Internet cartoons .. I don’t mind the Internet, of course, and so on .. but there is a global brainwashing .. these gay parades are gay marriage .. the media are worried about it all day and night. .Children are listening to this .. questions are being asked ..
  33. Wild boar
    +2
    26 May 2013 21: 01
    The author in the article (at the end) expressed an extremely important idea - liberalism is not a belief system, and not a theory - liberalism is a new anthropological type of human being.
    It was they who were put in camps (and even shot) in the 30s on the eve of the great war.
    Perhaps that is why they hate Stalin so zoologically. But did anyone in the history of wars stop the enemy in a democratic fashion?
  34. +1
    26 May 2013 21: 48
    Quote: Boar
    The author in the article (at the end) expressed an extremely important idea - liberalism is not a belief system, and not a theory - liberalism is a new anthropological type of human being.
    It was they who were put in camps (and even shot) in the 30s on the eve of the great war.
    Perhaps that is why they hate Stalin so zoologically. But did anyone in the history of wars stop the enemy in a democratic fashion?

    Well, you bent .. hehe provocateur Tipo .. ??
  35. +3
    26 May 2013 21: 57
    Liberte, egalite, fraternite! Freedom equality Brotherhood! This is the slogan of the Great French Revolution. A liberal is a supporter of freedom, but what does the word "freedom" mean? I remembered what Marxist-Leninist philosophy taught me at the university, I looked on the Internet for different definitions of this word. So our Yegor Gaidars, Gozmans and Nemtsovs with redheads cannot be called liberals, the result will be a substitution of concepts. It is necessary to formally fix for them the philosophical and economic definition of LIBERASTS. This definition has long been in use, it correctly defines the addiction of these ... to ....
    I noticed that the article has six drawbacks. "Who is walking right there? Left! Left!" Who remembers, this is from Mayakovsky's "Left March".
  36. +2
    26 May 2013 22: 24
    Quote: My address
    Liberte, egalite, fraternite! Freedom equality Brotherhood! This is the slogan of the Great French Revolution. A liberal is a supporter of freedom, but what does the word "freedom" mean? I remembered what Marxist-Leninist philosophy taught me at the university, I looked on the Internet for different definitions of this word. So our Yegor Gaidars, Gozmans and Nemtsovs with redheads cannot be called liberals, the result will be a substitution of concepts. It is necessary to formally fix for them the philosophical and economic definition of LIBERASTS. This definition has long been in use, it correctly defines the addiction of these ... to ....
    I noticed that the article has six drawbacks. "Who is walking right there? Left! Left!" Who remembers, this is from Mayakovsky's "Left March".

    The most interesting thing is that everyone understands everything, and these "unsinkable comrades" are everywhere in the media ... in boxes ... waiting in the wings again ... to tear Russia apart, chomping and gnawing at each other when carving up the skin of a bear that has not been killed ...
  37. +1
    26 May 2013 22: 44
    Patriotism begins with little things, here on the site "patriots of Russia" often appear under non-Russian nicknames and are often written in Latin letters. That's when patriotic thoughts are expressed under a Russian nickname, for example (boar), he somehow has more faith, but when under a nickname like (Rus500) less faith. After all, a nickname is chosen independently based on something, it is still understandable when some young man who has admiration for the West, and when a person writes that he is already a pensioner and a patriot and the nickname for Europe then does not fit or the nickname is not correct or he is not a pensioner and not quite a patriot. Maybe I'm wrong. IMHO
  38. 0
    26 May 2013 22: 51
    Guys, no need to bathe. This article was written (I think so) by an intelligent CIA agent. So calm down, I suggest discussing other publications
    1. 0
      26 May 2013 23: 12
      Eh, don't tell Ivanitch "The armor is strong and our tanks are fast" we already went through this in 41 and in the 90s ... it's too early to calm down ...
  39. 0
    26 May 2013 23: 03
    Quote: Semurg
    Patriotism begins with little things, here on the site "patriots of Russia" often appear under non-Russian nicknames and are often written in Latin letters. That's when patriotic thoughts are expressed under a Russian nickname, for example (boar), he somehow has more faith, but when under a nickname like (Rus500) less faith. After all, a nickname is chosen independently based on something, it is still understandable when some young man who has admiration for the West, and when a person writes that he is already a pensioner and a patriot and the nickname for Europe then does not fit or the nickname is not correct or he is not a pensioner and not quite a patriot. Maybe I'm wrong. IMHO

    Nick, of course, says a lot, but you shouldn’t judge by it .. read and analyze the main thing with your own head .. faith and love for the Motherland should be deep down in your soul .. and don’t let anyone out there .. you will dig out and you won’t notice
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  40. Lynx
    +2
    26 May 2013 23: 15
    Thank you very much for the article. Now much has become clear.
    I managed to be born in an era when the meaning of the word Patriot has to be clarified ..
    Now such situations are frequent when you say - I love my country, I’m a patriot, and so much is pouring on you ... and that if you go to look in the dictionary, maybe something has already changed there ..

    The information war, the substitution of concepts is scary. So you can easily convince young people that patriotism is bad .. Probably, they bring up universal people.

    fishermanThanks for the definition. I'll write to myself.
    How pleasant it is to try to be an intellectual, and how some people infuriate that you are trying at all costs to remain a Human in any situation.
  41. georg737577
    +1
    26 May 2013 23: 15
    To love your homeland is worthy and a must for every person. Just do not confuse the homeland with the government (party, leader, etc.). And this is the quintessence of true patriotism!
  42. +2
    26 May 2013 23: 36
    Quote: georg737577
    To love your homeland is worthy and a must for every person. Just do not confuse the homeland with the government (party, leader, etc.). And this is the quintessence of true patriotism!

    Yes, it seems like no one confuses here ... The Military Review site .. Here, with the St. George ribbons, men .. And white with a swamp, etc. .. does not shine here ..
  43. -1
    26 May 2013 23: 59
    Quote: georg737577
    To love your homeland is worthy and a must for every person. Just do not confuse the homeland with the government (party, leader, etc.). And this is the quintessence of true patriotism!

    Nobody confuses the homeland with parties.
    Governments leave and come, come and go, here it is already permissible to get confused.
    But if a leader has appeared in the country or among the people, then this can only be proud of.
    So there is a common goal that will be achieved.
    Of course, the leader has authority, he is not banal and strong.
  44. 0
    27 May 2013 00: 05
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Hmm, and when they were friends.

    I am ashamed to recall this.

    Well, you give a pancake what it was! Maderarators arranged such a liberal squabble on the most illiberal site of the former UNION laughing pah, what kind of word is such a non-Russian livibiral horseradish pronouncing without a half liter! obviously geoevropecy invented laughing
  45. +1
    27 May 2013 00: 53
    If the GDP surrenders to Syria, it remains only for the Communists to vote - maybe there really is a grain of the future in the combination of the communist idea and the Orthodox essence of our people?
  46. +2
    27 May 2013 01: 03
    I, I think, will not surrender! Because VVP is far from a stupid person, and he understands perfectly well that Russia needs to be made POWERFUL! You can hang all sorts of labels on me and minus, but I'll tell you guys, VVP brought the country out of the "cesspool" and is trying make a Great Power! Once again, this is my personal opinion!
  47. -1
    27 May 2013 01: 48
    just do I know one comrade who has read all the European Filasian literature (which is not bad in itself) made interesting conclusions for himself now he considers himself a man of peace, not in the sense that he wants world peace and he just doesn’t give a damn about the whole world and everything that happens in it is about how! a kind of world without borders where it does not matter who you are or where you are or what you do or where you work (I think where they pay more laughing ) a sort of world of a distant future without borders and ethnic groups, the main thing for him now is self-improvement and self-knowledge (which in itself is also not bad! Direct the USSR’s dream 200 years later through thorns to the stars !!) and everything would be nice BUT but a situation in which we we are in this mament in which we have to survive as an ethnic group, when they try to devour the country from all sides, proving that you are a subhuman, having lost your story history, worldview simply does not correspond to this philosophy of non-participation in anything and just useless contemplation of this! and the most interesting thing is that reading the same literature to the same conclusion, I didn’t attach to it apparently much depends on the person himself! I'm trying to convey a simple truth to him, get the cook from heaven to our sinful earth! our grandfathers and before them their grandfathers, increasing the greatness of the country, fought and died for this homeland, not so that we would surrender it so mediocre we simply have no right to do that !!!! and he zaevivaet me that from all the remnants and prejudices of the past and we must look and live a future! having called me a chain dog of the empire (which, in turn, I tailed for complement rather than for insult laughing ) and the most offensive is that there are quite a lot of people with such thinking, but there will be more, as a rule they are well educated, although they are rightly educated and in some ways right, but it happened that the first rats to be pulled out of the boat as they don’t have a homeland peace !!! here and here too personalities sometimes itine Liberals turn out !!!
  48. annenkov242
    +1
    27 May 2013 05: 57
    At the beginning of perestroika, we had fun with some kind of stupid fun, corrupting glee. Willingness to give their lives gave way to a frenzied thirst to live at all costs, and greatness faded.
    The RUSSIAN GREATNESS OF PATRIOTISM needs to be instilled in children, but this is all at the GENE level, therefore there are patriots and there are, as we say, "patriots" - liberals with a perverted notion that sooner or later will lead to liberalism, in view of the fact that the international community has taken up arms against our IDENTITY the community, headed by the English crown, is the phlebusters of the world. You don't need to get loose even on Sunday, many people take this "blob" as a reality. Patriotism is patriotism, and everyone who tries to substitute a concept should receive a decent, competent, instructive answer. You can do it !!!
  49. +2
    27 May 2013 06: 24
    Quote: shinobi
    When, in a distant youth, after reading the "golden calf" I met the image of a Russian liberal there.


    Precisely noticed!
  50. +2
    27 May 2013 07: 17
    People should speak openly and with pride about their patriotism, so that the younger generation observes this. An educational role is very important here.
  51. smershspy
    +2
    27 May 2013 09: 05
    Quote: DEDUCHKA
    People should speak openly and with pride about their patriotism, so that the younger generation observes this. An educational role is very important here.


    Gentlemen! I completely agree! It’s impossible not to say that Americans always and everywhere shout about their patriotism; they have it at a very high level: everyone knows the anthem, their rights and responsibilities to the state, the flag in every family.... It’s time for us to show patriotism to the younger generation. We have something to be proud of! We have a rich history! Don't ruin your story! All nations had something bad and something good! It amazes me when history teachers at a university say: “...that Russian soldiers sacrificed themselves and were fools, they didn’t think that a tank or an airplane was worth a colossal amount of money...., they died in vain - they were fools...”, “.. “Well done, the Wehrmacht, what discipline, what competent generals, etc...” - I heard all this with my own ears and at one time I republished one subject due to the fact that our teacher adhered to the fact that the Wehrmacht is super, the generals are super , the technology is super, and ours are shit, GULAG, NKVD, MGB, etc. It’s a shame that such people form our position and are involved in our patriotic education. I hope that my comment will not be deleted by anti-patriots of their homeland! I have the honor!
  52. smershspy
    +2
    27 May 2013 09: 15
    Gentlemen! I want to say that I have four flags at home: Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, and the USSR flag! It’s a pity that such a Motherland, the USSR, was betrayed! The army - the people - are the winner now in such a situation that it hurts my heart...! The Americans, the pin**s, took the gold out of Berlin, and we are back in *o*e! It's a shame! They have denigrated themselves and their history! The state pays something and for what..! Unclear! I have the honor!
    1. smershspy
      +4
      27 May 2013 13: 36
      Put a minus probably anti-patriot! There was only one homeland and it was the USSR! The USSR is powerful and terrible! I'm proud! I am responsible for my words!
      PS We've lost the fleet and the army too, and we want something else! We need to revive everything and everyone so that our children know everything and can be proud! I have the honor!
  53. +4
    27 May 2013 09: 50
    Well, we are slowly starting to clear away this “mountain of garbage.” But what to do with those who, on a radio frequency allocated by the state, pour on everything that you respect, desecrate your history, without having the historical roots of our country, and indicate how you should live and develop.
    1. agrindler
      +3
      5 June 2013 15: 00
      I won't repeat myself! That's right!
  54. vvp901
    +3
    27 May 2013 10: 18
    The main difference between a patriot is self-sacrifice for the sake of the Motherland and the people inhabiting it. The rest have a simple calculation and benefit for their own good, and the appearance of patriotism is to look like everyone else. Get lost in the crowd and adapt to the situation.
  55. +3
    27 May 2013 10: 42
    I often see that people who earn good (and good) money are among those who say that they are patriots, but in the event of war they will “go to where it’s quiet.” But in words, they are for Russia. But people who are not rich, who have not stolen or traded, are ready to pick up a machine gun and defend their Motherland. I laughed, but it’s already painful when half-drunk youth joyfully walk around with St. George’s ribbons on May 9, and everyone is so patriotic. And if you ask, all patriotism immediately disappears. Everyone says that they are celebrating Victory Day of a great country, and they need to get out of the "Rashka" before the war begins. This is already a problem for the country and the education system.
  56. +1
    27 May 2013 10: 49
    Quote: Semurg
    Patriotism begins with little things, here on the site "patriots of Russia" often appear under non-Russian nicknames and are often written in Latin letters. That's when patriotic thoughts are expressed under a Russian nickname, for example (boar), he somehow has more faith, but when under a nickname like (Rus500) less faith. After all, a nickname is chosen independently based on something, it is still understandable when some young man who has admiration for the West, and when a person writes that he is already a pensioner and a patriot and the nickname for Europe then does not fit or the nickname is not correct or he is not a pensioner and not quite a patriot. Maybe I'm wrong. IMHO


    I agree +. Before you scream at the top of your lungs, you need to start with yourself. Then there will be trust.
  57. gura
    -2
    27 May 2013 11: 07
    From Minsk. Yes, the discussion is fruitful. Especially with an abundance of semi-normative, racist language. What's wrong with the word "liberal"? Free. What about the “cosmopolitan” who was rootless under the Bolsheviks? What Russians shouldn't do is stick labels on them. And when such six hangers-on in all regimes as N. Mikhalkov started talking about patriotism, everything fell into place. By and large, there is nothing else to talk about. ABOUT WHAT? About vacant lots instead of fields? About children crushed in a dilapidated house (recent terrible news)? .About broken roads? About the total theft of your “top officials”, who scream loudest about patriotism and frantically fill their pockets? All their relatives have already replaced the “patria”, those. Homeland and chuckles at your naivety from the West, which they so ardently “unloved”! And there are countless similar manifestations of current patriotism. But let’s rattle the war iron a little, go back to the Middle East (history has taught the descendants of the commissars nothing), march in parades, etc., etc. We are the best! The main thing is to distract people's attention, fool them, hand them a bottle of vodka and let them argue until they are hoarse about "patriotism" and other pleasant things. When God punishes, he deprives them of reason. Keep being patriotic.
    1. fisherman
      0
      27 May 2013 12: 13
      quote:

      "because they live not in eternity - but in time... that is, since 91 in Russia, the reproduction of temporary workers began to go off scale... that is, the main thing for the people became the slogans - “the main thing is money” and “here and now " and "the most important thing for a child is for him to grow up smart - not honest"..........

      ...a big topic - you can’t do without such concepts as “the theory of small deeds” and “sacrificial generation”... in short - “there is an easy solution - and then there is the right one” and “the most important priority in life for a private individual and the state is this is raising children... and not doubling GDP or nanotechnology..." otherwise - everything is the same - and the next generation asks the Question Question - what to do? - just running in circles...

      European civil society has been built over centuries - through everyday work... this construction is difficult - and most importantly, a very tedious task for our Russian spirit... and education in all centuries occurs through the well-known concept of “imprinting” (look in Google-Yandex)

      and give us everything here and now - naturally - that they - the smartest ones - are the first to respond to this cry :) and soon we will be looking for the honest ones during the day with searchlights... instead of cleaning the Augean stables - our attention is diverted to the ballot boxes - that is, not every day engage in tedious work - and right away - you will choose the very best one and that’s it... - an earthly paradise will be built right there... there will be democracy and not a teenage - but an adult and self-sufficient (from any presidents) society :)

      "So that improvement is established on Earth, you need to improve yourself, first of all, your inner man" (Confucius)

      I will explain - if not against ... in modern Russia there are two radically different points of view on the way of harmonizing everything and everything ... the first (simplified - liberal) is that an earthly paradise can be built - if you start this construction from TOP - that is, by replacing a bad ruler good ... he will appoint good managers, officials, judges, police officers, doctors, teachers, kindergarten teachers .......

      it should be noted right away - that in the 90s, supporters of this. people began to urge the gray masses, who were astray in the search for communism, not to pay attention to the Kremlin’s reformation and to finally begin personal enrichment (that is, the ruler is already good - and the invisible hand of the market will put everything in order - including turning Soviet society into a Western-type society )

      the second (let’s call it populism for simplicity) is that an earthly paradise can only be built from BOTTOM...that is, learn, first of all, how to clean a fish correctly - that is, take hold of the head and rip off the scales...it doesn’t matter - if the head is rotten, you can throw it away.. .the main thing is moms and dads—kindergarten teachers—teachers—doctors—police officers—................

      in this case - the head is NOT IMPORTANT - as it is now in the Western world - Reagans-Bush-Clintons ......... if-shredders-Merkel ........ it's all transitory ... and the cleanliness of the boulevards -streets -... and the whole society (mentality) - enduring ...

      this is a constant - independent of the variable (presidents), that is, to do everything slowly but reliably and (worst of all for people with revolutionary fervor in DNA) for a long time ...

      not only that, it’s the dominant ... because only the people are CREATIVE NATURES - and hides their main role as the driving force of the historical process by a) cooling the power or b) erecting monuments ... that is, what images of presidents and comments on them will be stored in a repository of memory (in people's memory) depends only on this hard-to-know NATURE ... the presidents themselves (like poets) can only guess their future ... and the devil knows about himself :))

      Confucius himself believed that it would take at least one generation... in general - the “theory of small deeds” plus the “sacrificial generation”... at least one..."
  58. 0
    27 May 2013 11: 25
    The discussion of “patriots and liberals” is absolutely meaningless for reasons of banal logic. This is exactly like comparing “square with warm”. These two concepts are in no way related.
    The reason for the “conflict” is that over the past 20-30 years, words have become devalued all over the world. This is especially noticeable in Russia. If you say something good about Russia, you are immediately a patriot; if you say something bad about Putin, you are a liberal. If you say something good about Russia and something bad about Putin at the same time, the hamsters have a brain break.
    Likewise with other concepts. Hit a policeman, get a prison sentence - a political prisoner, shit on a Christmas tree under the door - a modern artist, forbid swearing - a supporter of censorship, etc., etc.
    If we talk about me, I am a democrat who shares liberal values. There are no problems with patriotism, I love the Fatherland, I’m not going to leave anywhere. All of this gets along quite calmly in me.
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  59. 0
    28 May 2013 19: 06
    Quote: Skunk
    Apparently our patriots cannot live without an external enemy.


    This is a thoughtful remark.
    It’s just not clear who our people are.
    Our people include both Smershevites and Glozmans. Unfortunately...
  60. 0
    28 May 2013 19: 07
    Quote: Skunk
    Apparently our patriots cannot live without an external enemy.

    As for the war.
    In the USSR, almost every day a song performed by Georg Otts, “Do the Russians Want War,” was heard on the radio.
    And no one was looking for enemies, not only in distant lands, but also close by. The conversations were more about friends - Cubans, Vietnamese, Bulgarians, French and Italian communists...
    They understood, of course, that there were enemies, but they were more willing to talk about friends.
  61. 0
    28 May 2013 19: 10
    Quote: Skunk
    Apparently our patriots cannot live without an external enemy.

    Since then, much has changed.
    Not many remained true friends. It is all the more important to appreciate today’s friends, including the Syrians, Serbs, Vietnamese...
    Enemies suddenly appeared in a new capacity. It is weak for them to fight, so they switched to lies and moral decay - from military speculation to gay pride parades.
  62. 0
    28 May 2013 19: 13
    Quote: Skunk
    Apparently our patriots cannot live without an external enemy.

    The forbidden fruit is sweet, especially for the weak-minded. So many fell into the enemy’s net. And there is immorality, junk cars, games, obscurantism - thousands of pleasures.
    For European civilization the result will be the same as for the Roman Empire - not a trace will remain.
    But our heroes are not all gone yet, so we are fighting so that Russia does not perish under the rubble of Europe.
  63. agrindler
    -1
    5 June 2013 15: 26
    [quote=Alexander Romanov][quote=Ruslan67]Or is it to liven up the day off[/quote]
    Ruslan, they really brought it to life, he could have thought anything about anyone, but not about the Mechanic. The best option is to put a minus and pass by. As the saying goes, don't touch it, it won't stink.[/quote]

    There is no such expression: “...don’t touch it, it won’t stink...”[/quote]Or they missed something in the expression...
    We must respect people! You swear (swear) like shoemakers!
    It’s a pity that “MILITARY REVIEW” is turning into a trash heap, of which there is already so much on the Internet! It's a pity! And the idea was good!