Military Review

"No, Molotov!" - Finnish propaganda during the Second World War

16
Initially, there was no specialized propaganda department in the Finnish army. This kind of work was done by the Ministry of the Press. Only in 1934 was the Ministry of Defense Information Center (Sanomakeskus) established.


Between 1937 and 1939, he organized refresher courses for a total of 68 professional journalists who were trained in collecting information and highlighting the duties of military units of military units.

"No, Molotov!" - Finnish propaganda during the Second World War


Participants in the first refresher courses created their own organization called the Propaganda Union, which on a voluntary basis became part of Finland’s national defense. At the end of 1938, both of these organizations were transformed into a state information center, which then with 11.10.1939 was transformed into a State Council for the collection and delivery of domestic and international information.



His main tasks included maintaining civilian information and propaganda aimed at a potential adversary. At the same time, the information center itself was removed from the State Council and renamed the Department of Information of the Ministry of Defense.



He just focused on military propaganda. The new propaganda department of the High High Command compiled official reports on military events. He was responsible for the production of propaganda materials, films, the publication of a number of newspapers, as well as distribution News.



Most of the Finnish caricaturists got political instructors





During the Winter War, the Finnish Supreme Headquarters, as well as the management of propaganda, did not have its own propaganda unit, in the style of German propaganda companies at the front. Campaign materials directly entered the troops and distributed by order of the commanders of the divisions.

Nevertheless, the number of leaflets issued, as well as newspapers for the Red Army, was quite significant and they were effectively used against the Red Army fighters, facilitating their transfer to captivity.



At the end of the "Winter War", the activities of the Office were curtailed.

The need for them again became urgent in 1941. The head of the propaganda department of the Finnish general staff captain (major with 8.10.42) K. Lehmus proposed a serious reorganization of the administration.



In April 1941, he visited Germany to learn about the Nazi methods of introducing propaganda. The new organization was inspired by the German likeness, but it was a very compact purely Finnish organization.

The State Information Center resumed operations in June 1941. The word "propaganda" because of the actions of the 7 Political Administration of the Red Army received a very negative label in Finland, having a meaning only of gross and false information and its further use was discontinued.



For the Soviet pilots who surrendered to the Finnish army with their aircraft, the Finns offered 10 thousand dollars and free travel to any country in the world.

The Propaganda Department and all propaganda departments have been renamed since the end of June 1941. The renamed information detachment of the Supreme General Staff was responsible for official reports, photographs, films, leaflets directed towards the enemy, as well as education and entertainment of their own troops and censorship of field mail. By analogy with the German propaganda companies, Information Companies were created.



Information companies were organized as follows:

The total number of 40 or 41 people. From 7 to 10 units of various cars, to 15 motorcycles, bicycles.

In the Information Detachment of the Supreme General Staff there were two information officers in the Karelian Army. They acted as liaison officers and coordinated information campaigns. The third in information technology was Major G. Waselius, an officer assigned to communicate with Dietl's mountain corps in Lapland, from the summer of 1941 to the beginning of the 1942 of the year.



All these companies compiled written reports, newsletters, photographs, film plots, organized film screenings on the front lines, distributed campaign leaflets and agitated Soviet troops through loudspeakers.

For the distribution of leaflets, agitmins, propaganda shells of various systems were used, both royal and German, and supplied to the Finnish army by various European countries as part of assistance during the Winter War. To the maximum, the few air force forces were also involved.



Most of the Finnish leaflets are written in the correct Russian, with a fair amount of artistry, which in principle is not surprising. The backbone of the first information department was white emigrants, mostly former officers of the Russian army.

An example is to give an example of Major General Severin Dobrovolsky (1881-1946). After the defeat of the whites, Severin Tsezarevich moved to Finland, to Vyborg, where he was active in the field of Russian emigration. He was a member of the board of the Union of Labor Intelligentsia of the Vyborg province. Cultural and educational society and the secretary of the committee of Russian organizations in Finland to assist the starving in Russia.



Dobrovolsky was also known as a lecturer who spoke in Finnish cities and towns where Russians lived: Vyborg, Helsinki, Terioki (Zelenogorsk), Kuokkala (Repino), Kello-chaff (Komarovo) and others. During the “winter war” Dobrovolsky was forced to live in Helsinki and the Finnish city of Hamina near Vyborg. He worked in the propaganda department of the Finnish army, composing texts of anti-Soviet leaflets and published articles and appeals in anti-Soviet newspapers. After Germany attacked the USSR, Dobrovolsky joined the Russian propaganda department of the Finnish State Council, where he wrote anti-communist articles for the foreign press and collaborated with the Northern Word newspaper for prisoners of war.



On the night of 20 on 21 on April 1945, General Dobrovolsky was arrested by order of the Minister of the Interior of Finland communist Yrjö Leino, who made this decision at the request of the Soviet Control Commission. In total, 20 people were arrested (10 Finnish citizens, 9 people with “Nansen passports” and one former Soviet prisoner of war), according to the Soviet side, “perpetrators of war crimes who carried out espionage and terrorist activities against the Soviet Union on the instructions of the Germans”. All 20 prisoners were immediately extradited to the USSR and imprisoned in Lubyanka.







In deciding on the arrest and extradition, Leino acted in circumvention of the country's president, K. G. Mannerheim, and the prime minister, Yu. K. Paasikivi. After Finland’s top government officials were notified of the incident, there were no more such issues.







25 November 1945, General Dobrovolsky was convicted by a military tribunal of the Moscow Military District under Article 58-4 of the Criminal Code to be shot. According to the memoirs of the prisoners, he refused to file a petition for clemency. The officer was shot 26 January 1946 of the year.





The son of General Dobrovolsky, Severin, took an active part in the activities of the emigrant youth organization "Link". In 1945, some of the leaders of the “Link” were among those issued by the USSR, but Severin Dobrovolsky Jr. avoided this fate.
























































































Originator:
http://www.istpravda.ru/research/949/
16 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Atlon
    Atlon 25 May 2013 08: 53
    15
    Warm, nourishing and fun ... Yes, propaganda has not changed over the centuries ... And now, "warm, nourishing and fun", not like this ... Then you know. Interestingly, a lot of people were tempted: "and the soup is here, just a delight!" and "chatting and listening to the radio."
  2. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 25 May 2013 09: 05
    15
    From this propaganda, you can immediately understand that the dates terribly lacked weapons laughing This is the first.
    Second, they were not stupid and understood that they could not oppose the Red Army much, and therefore they tried as soon as possible to reduce the morale of the Red Army soldiers.
    The brochure, where the captured Red Army men eat and smoke, was intended mainly for the soldiers of the encircled 18th and 168th divisions, who were sitting in the "cauldrons" with practically no supplies. But only they were not led.
  3. Gromila555
    Gromila555 25 May 2013 10: 22
    +6
    But still, not bad, we then hung them!
    1. nok01
      nok01 26 May 2013 11: 17
      -2
      We didn’t hang anything on them ... they just killed a bunch of soldiers! In fact, the USSR was an aggressor, and the Finns defended their country. That and to be honest, I have these doubts about our losses (71 were killed and died at the stages of sanitary evacuation, 214 died from wounds and illnesses in hospitals, 16 went missing). It’s painfully underestimated ...
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 26 May 2013 18: 40
        +7
        Quote: nok01
        It’s painfully underestimated ...

        Did you count it yourself?
        As if 65384 killed and deceased at the stages of dignity. evacuation, 19610 - missing, 186584-wounded. shell-shocked, 6614 - frost-bitten, is not enough !?
        So ... talk with your tongue, do not roll bags ...
        But for information, as a result of hostilities, by March, Mannerheim’s line was broken, weapons of defense were destroyed, the troops of the Karelian army of Finland (i.e., the Finnish army) were defeated.
        The USSR was able to occupy the whole country within a few days. Which led to the conclusion of peace on the terms of the Soviet government.
        True, this war did not bring glory to the winners ...
        For all known reasons.
      2. Marat
        Marat 15 June 2013 00: 43
        +2
        The victory turned out to be Pyrrhic, but absolutely necessary. 1941 it will become clear, and Mannerheim admits that it was really necessary to initially enter into negotiations with the Russians on the exchange of territories. Stalin tried to negotiate, but was refused, then the guns started talking ...
  4. laurbalaur
    laurbalaur 25 May 2013 10: 51
    15
    I recalled a phrase from the movie: Guards paratroopers! You are surrounded! Surrender, you will find hot tea, dry linen and our hospitality!
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 25 May 2013 14: 09
      +6
      The analogy is good. The Red Army, too, were not led into this matter. smile
  5. Nuar
    Nuar 25 May 2013 11: 06
    +5
    Although it is now understandable from the start, Migalkov takes scripts for himself. But why are some Germans shown instead of Finns in his hwilm? recourse
  6. wulf66
    wulf66 25 May 2013 12: 56
    +5
    And I think where do modern liberoid shit and other gozman draw inspiration from ...
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 25 May 2013 20: 37
      +1
      Quote: wulf66
      And I think where do modern liberoid shit and other gozman draw inspiration from ...

      There is nothing to think from the ass, only from it can gay liberals be inspired and the gozman looking to the side.
  7. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 25 May 2013 13: 23
    10
    The mistake of everyone who came to Russia, or simply fought with us in the fact that they considered us stupid, unwashed and driven cattle. It just didn’t occur to them that it’s delicious for a Russian to eat, yes to eat, to plump and to fuck, and just to fuck is simply disgusting. They all did not even suspect that morality, just love and elevated feelings, were not alien to us either. Recently I read material that the Germans in 43 tried to fix everything, to establish a relationship with the locals, they even started to treat people as people, but as usual they miscalculated considering us to be exactly the same insignificant cattle like them. Therefore, that is why they will always lose. So we will not persuade them in their cliches. It’s just that sooner or later it’s always time to take stock ...
  8. Corsair
    Corsair 25 May 2013 14: 17
    0
    Continuing the theme (Finnish propaganda):
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 25 May 2013 19: 50
      0
      Quote: Corsair
      Continuing the theme (Finnish propaganda):



      In his book Terrorin aika (2006), Finnish researcher Marco Tikka was able to point out that after the fall of Tammerfors] in early April 1918, the Finnish government, although unofficially and as if against its will, yielded to the demands the army and the White Guard organize military courts, which contradicted Finnish laws and existing practice. In 2004, the State Historical Commission “Victims of the War in Finland” reported that in a short period (spring-summer) of this campaign, executions were carried out with rarely reduced intensity - almost 10 thousand people were executed. Courts passed behind closed doors. For many decades, information about who condemned whom to death and why was preserved only verbally and informally.

      In total, over 80 thousand people were arrested, almost three percent of the country's population, of which 75 thousand were sent to hastily organized camps, where prisoners did not have enough space, water, food and medical care. Due to poor conditions, 13 people died, that is 500 percent of prisoners. In the worst of the camps, in Ekenes, where about 15 prisoners were held, 9 percent died - as much as in Japanese camps during World War II. After the civil war, Finland experienced an acute shortage of food, and in the summer of 30 in Scandinavia an epidemic of the “Spanish woman” began. However, the reason for the haste with which the prisoners were dealt with lies primarily in the indifference to their fate on the part of the government, the Riksdag and the leadership of the army.

      Already in February 1918, the white Finnish government decided to set up camps, intending to bring to trial all those who in any way took part in the uprising or showed sympathy for the Reds. In May 1918, after the end of the civil war, the Finnish Riksdag, in which the Social Democrats occupied 92 of the 200 seats, decided to continue its work, despite the fact that only one member of Parliament from the Social Democratic Party was allowed to stay. The remaining 91 people were executed, imprisoned or fled the country. This "scanty parliament" at the end of May adopted a government law introducing a nationwide system of trials of "state criminals." 144 such vessels were created, before which over 75 thousand people appeared. Many were sent to forced labor, five hundred were sentenced to death (125 sentences were carried out), and nearly 60 thousand were deprived of civil rights.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 25 May 2013 19: 51
        0
        In general, to ensure the work of the courts on "state criminals", the entire legal corps of the country was required. Prior to this, several thousand people took part in the work of hundreds of military courts, often judges, police, homeowners and smallholders. In 2006, the Finnish researcher Aapo Roselius in his book “Following the Executioners” was able to indicate that in 1918 at least 8 thousand people took part in the executions. Thus, a significant number of people did what, as many of them knew, went against the fundamental rules of law. However, they counted on the protection of the Finnish state.

        In Tammerfors, after its capture by the whites on April 6, 1918, about 200 Russians were killed, including white officers, the number of executed Russians in Vyborg on April 26–27 is estimated to be 1000 people (the vast majority of whom did not take any part in the civil war), including women and children.

        Thus, the far from complete list of Russians killed in Vyborg, which is stored in the LOGAW, containing only 178 names, contains information about Alexander Smirnov (9 years old), Kasmen Svadersky (12 years old), Andrei Chubrikov (13 years old), Nikolai and Alexander Naumovs (15 years), etc. Some Poles fell under the hot hand of the White Finns, who were probably shot in confusion with the Russians (moreover, similar "mistakes" occurred in other places: for example, one who was mistaken for a Russian Pole was killed in Uusi Kaarlepuyu )

        One of the Russian emigrants living at that time not far from Vyborg described the situation in the city as follows: “Everything was resolutely, from high school students to officials who came across the eyes of the victors in Russian uniform and shot at the spot; not far from the Pimenovs' house, two realists were killed, who ran out in their uniforms to greet the whites; 3 cadets were killed in the city; the surrendered red whites cordoned off and drove into the moat; at the same time, they also captured part of the crowd that was on the streets, and indiscriminately finished off in the ditch and in other places. Who was shot, for which, all this was unknown to the heroes of the knife! They were shot in front of the crowd; Before being shot, they tore off watches and rings from people, took away wallets, pulled off boots, clothes, etc. They especially hunted for Russian officers; their number was lost, and among them were their commandant, quartermaster, who had transferred his warehouse to white before this, and a gendarme officer; many were called from apartments, supposedly to view documents, and they didn’t return home, and relatives then searched for them in heaps of bodies in the moat: even linen was removed from them. ”
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 25 May 2013 19: 52
          0
          Information about the horrors reached the residents of Vyborg settlements. This was, in particular, described on the pages of his diary by the bibliographer, writer Sergey Mintslov, who at that time lived on his estate in the village of Kamyarya (it was 7 kilometers from the railway station of the same name, now Gavrilovo Station). Here are some excerpts from his Diary:
          “April 17/30. Visitors spoke about the capture of Vyborg: 6000 people were killed on both sides. Details are not yet known, we only know that the surrendered Russian soldier was completely killed ...
          April 22 / May 5. ... In Vyborg, life is back on track: the commandant issued a decree prohibiting, under pain of punishment, the unauthorized killing of anyone in houses and on the streets. It was caused by the fact that the White Guards repaired their reprisals not only on the streets, but also burst into houses, pulled out Russian officers along with the mazuriks and killed on the spot, despite the complete absence of any guilt ... Three people were killed in this way in Vyborg sons recently promoted to officers. All the same
          Russians, not involved in the Finnish civil war, killed about 300 tons of people ...
          April 24 / May 7. ... The figure of the exterminated Russians is eight hundred ... There were several cases of madness among the Finns who saw the picture of the beating in Vyborg ...
          May 2/15. Yesterday, my wife went to Vyborg to look for provisions ... The Pimenovs, who were visited by his wife, talked about what was happening these days. The stories I recorded about the massacre of Russians and Red prisoners were not exaggerated:
          absolutely everyone - from high school students to officials, who came across in Russian uniforms to the eyes of the winners - were shot on the spot. Not far from the Pimenovs' house, two realists were killed, who ran out in uniforms to greet the whites. Three cadets were killed in the city. Surrendered Reds were cordoned off by the whites and driven into the fortress ditch; at the same time, they captured part of the crowd that was on the streets and, indiscriminately and without conversation, finished off in the ditch and in other places ... They especially hunted for Russian officers; there were innumerable deaths ... Many were summoned from their apartments, ostensibly to view documents, and they never returned home, and their relatives then searched for them in the heaps of bodies in the ditch; even the linen was removed from them. The English consul Frisk finally intervened in the beating of the Russians ... and took them under his patronage ... The dead, gathered around the city, are piled on carts in heaps and taken to common graves ...
          May 9/22. ... according to my information, received from the Russian colony, only one hundred and twenty officers were killed ... "
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 25 May 2013 19: 52
            0
            Events in Vyborg caused a wide resonance in Russia. On May 13, the Soviet government asked German Ambassador V. Mirbach to create a joint commission to investigate the murders of Russian residents of Finland. At the same time, what happened in the city was described as follows: “Massacres of innocent residents of Russian origin took place here, monstrous atrocities were committed against the peaceful Russian population, even 12-year-old children were shot. In one barn in Vyborg, as the witness reported, the latter saw 200 corpses, including Russian officers and students. The wife of the murdered Lieutenant Colonel Vysokikh told the witness that she saw how the Russians being destroyed were lined up and shot from machine guns. According to witnesses, the total number of people killed in two days reaches 600 people. After Vyborg was occupied by the White Guards, a group of arrested Russian citizens, numbering about 400 people, among whom were women and children, seniors and students, were brought to the station; After consulting with each other for about 10 minutes, the officers announced to them that they were sentenced to death, after which the arrested were sent to the Friedrichsham gate on the "ramparts", where they were shot from machine guns; the wounded were killed with rifle butts and bayonets, there was a real extermination of the Russian population without any distinction, the elderly, women and children, officers, students, and generally all Russians were exterminated. ” The facts described above aroused a lot of indignation in the ranks of the Russian White Movement, as a result of which many of its leaders later opposed the projects of a joint campaign with the Finns in Yudenich’s army against Petrograd. Rear Minister Admiral V.K., Minister of the North-West Government Pilkin wrote in 1919 to his colleague in the Kolchak government Rear Admiral M.I. Smirnov: “If the Finns go [to Petrograd] alone, or at least with us, but in the proportion of 30 thousand against three or four, who are here in Finland, then given their hatred for the Russians, their character of the butchers ... they will destroy, they will shoot and they will cut off all our officers, the right and the guilty, the intelligentsia, youth, gymnasium students, cadets - everyone they can, as they did when they took Vyborg from the Reds. ” The same opinion was shared by one of the leaders of the anti-Bolshevik Petrograd underground V.N. Tagantsev: “None of us wanted the Finnish campaign in Petrograd. We remembered the reprisals against the Russian officers along with the red rebels. " Moreover, according to the historian T. Vihavainen, such views on the fate of Petrograd, if captured by the Finns, “are based both in the sense of the experience of 1918 and in those plans that were hatched in the extremist circles of the“ activists ”.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 25 May 2013 19: 53
              0
              Finnish women who had connections with the Russians were also harassed: they cut their hair, tear off their clothes, and in some places even discussed the possibility of branding them with hot iron. In the town of Korsnyas, a local priest prevented such an execution at the last moment. Apparently, the problems of a nation's cleanliness in general were very worrying for Finnish society: when the participants of the Kronstad uprising evacuated to Finland in 1921, the Finnish press sharply opposed the placement of refugees in the countryside, fearing that the Russians would mix with the local Finnish population. As a result, the Kronstadters were placed in several camps with very strict conditions of detention: it was forbidden to leave the camp boundary under the threat of execution, communication with local residents was also strictly prohibited.

              During the war with the White Finns in 1939–40, despite the widespread Finnish propaganda, the Red Army did not believe the White General Mannerheim. The people's memory of the events in Finland in 1918 was too deep.

              Bullshit accompanied Finland all the time, right up to the end of World War II. Starting from leaflets and ending with the calculations of their own losses in the Winter War.
              1. Landwarrior
                Landwarrior 25 May 2013 20: 57
                +3
                I was engaged in search in due time. Once they raised the fallen in the Winter Red Army with hammered (!) In the head (!) Cartridges from three-line (!) .....
                Kind, nice little dates, their mother .....
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 25 May 2013 23: 47
                  +1
                  surprised by the deletion of my comments, the article cited by me reasonably showed why the Finnish propaganda did not bring results.
                  lost in guessing about the reason for the removal? request
                  link had to be inserted?
                  large amount of text?
                  or something else? what
  9. The comment was deleted.
  10. The comment was deleted.
  11. The comment was deleted.
  12. Corsair
    Corsair 25 May 2013 14: 27
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    Continuing the theme (Finnish propaganda):
  13. Corsair
    Corsair 25 May 2013 14: 32
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    Continuing the theme (Finnish propaganda):
  14. fenix57
    fenix57 25 May 2013 14: 42
    +3
    As for propaganda, here all of these from geyropi and from across the ocean are strong ... here they just CAN’T SEE REAL MATTERS!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 25 May 2013 15: 14
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      REAL MATTERS CANNOT BE ANNOUNCED!

      I agree, it is necessary to propagandize what you really own, or as an exception propaganda of a healthy lifestyle.
  15. The comment was deleted.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 25 May 2013 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Corsair
      Continuing the theme (Soviet propaganda):

      Even me in fornication what (chur me, chur repeat ) Flood pulled. Something wrong with the browser wassatWell, at least comments are not taxed, I would go broke to hell belay
  16. Corsair
    Corsair 25 May 2013 14: 42
    0
    Continuing the theme (Soviet propaganda):
    Some images are unfortunately not clickable.
  17. Corsair
    Corsair 25 May 2013 14: 45
    0
    Continuing the theme (Soviet propaganda):
  18. The comment was deleted.
  19. Corsair
    Corsair 25 May 2013 14: 50
    0
    Continuing the theme (Soviet propaganda):
  20. The comment was deleted.
  21. Corsair
    Corsair 25 May 2013 14: 56
    +2
    Continuing the theme (Soviet propaganda):
  22. Abakanets
    Abakanets 25 May 2013 21: 01
    0
    I talked with one veteran, said that they did not see ANY Russian political instructor in the regiment, there were mostly Jews.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 25 May 2013 22: 22
      +4
      Quote: Abakanets
      I talked with one veteran, said that they did not see ANY Russian political instructor in the regiment, there were mostly Jews.


      So what? Jews in the Red Army fought worse?
      Kamrad, and in his face would you be able to repeat your words?

      1. Abakanets
        Abakanets 25 May 2013 22: 51
        -2
        Jews drove the Russians to machine guns. And they won in World War II only.
        1. Toit
          Toit 25 May 2013 23: 19
          +8
          Quote: Abakanets
          Jews drove the Russians to machine guns. And they won in World War II only.

          From your post it follows:
          1) Russians did not win in World War II
          1) Jews defeated by driving Russian machine guns

          Or you didn’t put it right, or this is complete nonsense. IMHO
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 26 May 2013 01: 30
            +3
            Toit hi

            Quote: Toit
            From your post it follows:
            1) Russians did not win in World War II
            1) Jews defeated by driving Russian machine guns

            Or you didn’t put it right, or this is complete nonsense. IMHO


            there in the head is a wavka.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 26 May 2013 01: 29
          +6
          Abakanets

          Quote: Abakanets
          Jews drove the Russians to machine guns. And they won in World War II only.


          that is, Fomin, you are not afraid to say this, since he died - the deflection is counted.


          Quote: Abakanets
          Jews drove the Russians to machine guns.


          My paternal grandfather was a personnel paratrooper of the USSR, left the encirclement twice (special officers checked, but never shot again!), Then served in artillery reconnaissance, started the war on the 22nd of 1941, ended up taking Koenigsberg, where he a splinter flew under the heart, not operable, from which he later died.
          To my question about detachments, he laughed and said:
          - Granddaughter, how do you imagine this? a tank division is going into battle, and behind the NKVD company with machine guns? or does the fighter squadron take off, and three are controlled from behind? or when I left the encirclement - did the NKVD department follow me? and when I'm reconnaissance for a hundred kilometers. the NKVD company followed us crawling with Maxims?

          - My grandfather, despite the fact that he was from a dispossessed family - was a convinced communist, his father - dispossessed by the Soviet government, was a convinced communist, whom the Germans shot in 1942 for helping partisans.

          Do you want (at your expense) I will show where in Ukraine and Belarus Jews were destroyed by hundreds and thousands of Soviet citizens! can I send a photo where tens of thousands of Jews, Red Army soldiers, party workers lie?


          Quote: Abakanets
          Jews drove the Russians to machine guns. And they won in World War II only.


          Sorry, but you are a morally flawed person.
          Jews who fought on the front lines knew that in the event of captivity they would be shot, but nevertheless, the account of the awards that Soviet citizens were awarded of Jewish nationality speaks for itself!
          You are a moral flawed person, belittling the feat of the entire Soviet people, who all stood up as one, regardless of nationalities, to defend the Soviet Motherland !!!
          A fact is being thrown into your face - Fomin! The hero of the defense of the Brest Fortress, and you wag your basin! shame and shame on your head, denigrating tens of thousands of Jews who served in our army, tens of thousands of fallen Jews in our army in the fight against invaders.

          Well, the fact that you hold my ancestors as a cowardly bylo (which fought with the Germans at gunpoint with Jews) - it really infuriates me am am am

          more than 200 tons of my family members died.

          Based on this, I will say:

          - I challenge you as a person who insulted the memory of my ancestors wink - I think I have enough strength to explain to you exactly what the Fomin feat consisted of.
          1. Abakanets
            Abakanets 26 May 2013 18: 59
            -3
            What’s a feat? The Brest fortress was shot as partridge and all.
        3. laurbalaur
          laurbalaur 26 May 2013 01: 32
          +5
          I will answer you as a military man who grew up in a military family! Objectively, the political officers in the Army did not like, but this is only the officers. For what ? FOR THAT THEY HAVE DISTURBED TO BE DONE IN BATTLE TRAINING! But, once again recover, only the officers! Ordinary Red Army soldiers should have received all the propaganda from the lips of political officers in the initial period of the war especially! You think, what was the level of education of the ordinary, average private in the 41st year!? I do not protect the Jews, on the contrary, I respect this ancient people for trying to defend their piece of land, so small, on the area of ​​which we, the Russian people, will not even bathe.
          Sincerely, the participant in the hostilities, and not even a little Jew!
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 26 May 2013 01: 54
            +5
            Quote: laurbalaur
            I will answer you as a military man who grew up in a military family!

            Respected laurbalaur hi

            I grew up in a family of hereditary military and about:
            Quote: laurbalaur
            Objectively, political officers in the Army did not like, but this is only the officers


            in the know, but you can’t wave a saber to the right and left!


            Quote: laurbalaur
            Ordinary Red Army soldiers should have received all the propaganda from the lips of political officers in the initial period of the war especially!


            I want to draw your attention to the fact that most of the political officers and commissars passed either Civil or officer schools, and successfully replaced the dead commanders of the units. (Commissioner Kovpak).


            Quote: laurbalaur
            I do not protect the Jews, on the contrary, I respect this ancient people for trying to defend their piece of land, so small, on the area of ​​which we, the Russian people, will not even bathe.
            Sincerely, the participant in the hostilities, and not even a little Jew!


            those who speak of Jews as rear-servicemen and "machine-gunners" are spitting on the graves of thousands of Soviet citizens (of Jewish nationality) who died in the struggle to whom everyone present here owes their lives!

            and I, as a Russian, am ready to defend the honor and memory of these people in battle. soldier if Abakanets enough courage of course laughing .
            1. laurbalaur
              laurbalaur 26 May 2013 16: 40
              -1
              Thank you agree +!
  23. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 26 May 2013 03: 55
    +2
    my house is international! ---- if needed! I’ll take beetroot on xAA!
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 May 2013 23: 44
    +2
    Okay, when the enemy hangs such a cartoon to you. And when it comes from their own (remember Kovalev and Birch on the First Chechen) ...
  25. Alexey Antonov
    Alexey Antonov 15 November 2017 12: 02
    +2
    What kind of lovely, kind, wonderful people these Finns were! And their philanthropic posters are very reminiscent of modern ... whose? whose? I can’t remember ... in general, one very free and very European country, as it were ...