Ukrainian company has developed a new combat vehicle with electro-transmission

In Ukraine, in the interests of the foreign company ADCOM Military Industries, a fundamentally new universal combat platform was developed. The specialists of Urpolis Company together with the specialists of the Wheeled and Tracked Machines department of NTU “KPI”, as well as with the engineers of the SIEMENS company, created a running mockup of a combat vehicle with an electro-transmission, on which the layout and control system was worked out. In the course of this work, the D-80 diesel engine and power take-off device were developed and patented.

The basis of armament was to become a combat module "TYPHOON" equipped with a complex of weapons and an automated fire control system. The armament complex includes an 30-mm ZTM-1 cannon (2А72) and an 7,62-mm PKT machine gun paired with it. The gun mounted in the mask has two-band separate power supply with electromechanical or manual reloading, a firing range of up to 4000, a firing rate of up to 330 shots / minute.

A PKT machine gun mounted in a single mask with a cannon ensures the destruction of enemy manpower at ranges up to 1500. The cannon and machine gun pointing angles (-5 ... + 65 degrees) allow effective firing at low-speed air targets at ranges up to 2500m.

On the sides of the module there is a place for installing 2-х (4-х) ATGM guides with a vertical guidance mechanism. Module ammunition consists of: 500 shots to the ZTM-1 gun in the power boxes in the basket, 2000 cartridges for the PKT machine gun and 2 (4) ATGM.

The automated fire control system includes the 9Sh350-I search and aiming device with a guidance and stabilization platform, a 1PZ-7 day sight, a weapon stabilizer, a control computer and a video computer. Search and aiming device equipped with two cameras (narrow and wide field of view), range finder and thermal imager. The camera image is displayed on the monitor of the video computer. For firing at ground and air targets, a monocular periscope 1PZ-7 sight can be used.

The combat module "TYPHOON" can be integrated into any chassis of the type BTR, BMP.

Comments

[Canep]

Looks good. I think electric transmission has a future. It is now successfully used on mining dump trucks (BELAZ 7513), diesel locomotives (all modern), and some tractors (DET-250).

[Maks111]

It's time.

[APASUS]

Quote: Canep

I think electric transmission has a future. It is now successfully used on mining dump trucks (BELAZ 7513), diesel locomotives (all modern), and some tractors (DET-250)

Not everything is as simple as you think!
The first patent for a motor-wheel was received by the American Wellington Adams in 1884, and the first car with such a power system was built in 1900 by Ferdinand Porsche).
This technology, although applied, does not have sufficient distribution, thanks to a bunch of specific
deficiencies.
Another thing that amazes me is Prokhorov with his skimmer under the name E Mobile! Volvo recently announced that it is looking for an electric vehicle partner.
If everything was so simple, China would have filled up the world with such mobiles in a couple of years !!

[Canep]

Electric transmission is justified on high power machines. It is best worked out on diesel locomotives and ships.

[black_eagle]

Why do high-capacity vehicles use electromechanical transmission? because the electric motor has the maximum torque throughout the entire speed range, i.e., like an internal combustion engine, the maximum torque is only in the narrow speed range, which by the way does not coincide with the minimum fuel consumption, and, in practice, is very close to those revolutions which are dangerous for the engine. That is why for a 1000-ton train only electromechanical transmission is used to touch it, and on mining trucks, which, under conditions of complete off-road conditions, must carry a 100-ton weight at minimum speeds. Is such a thing needed on an armored personnel carrier or tank? In the modern world, this layout must be worked out unconditionally, in our time, a tank consumption of 200-300 liters per 100 km is unacceptable luxury, and so the tank engine works in ideal conditions at ideal speeds, and the mechanical drive with the help of a pedal, just does not drive the rotation angle throttle, and something like a variable resistor will regulate the speed of all eight electric motors. What will come of this, we will wait, good luck)))

[Civil]

Prokhorov is a new administration project, let's see how it will develop

[APASUS]

Quote: Civil

Prokhorov is a new administration project, let's see how it will develop

Which project?
Which administration?
He just let in dust and immediately to the side !! He has already left the project. It’s like Berezovsky with his AVVA, the only difference is that Prokhorov did not collect money from the people, but the milestones are the same!

[Alekseev]

The article is incomprehensible ...
The main thing, and the most interesting, in this development is the electric transmission, but they write about the combat module!
And is this machine in metal or not?
Running prototype, so to speak.
Or is it just a "project" in the minds of specialists?
Projectors are now abundant ...

[bask]

Quote: Canep

BELAZ 7513), diesel locomotives (all modern), and some tractors (DET-250).

So it is necessary to put the electric transmission only on tracked chassis, for MBT, assault guns, heavy engineering equipment.
That would be a place to install a sufficiently powerful generator.
But the military doesn’t use electric transmission. The Caterpillar D9 bulldozer was developed in 1954. It was constantly modernized. Modifications: D9E, D9G, D9H, D9L, D9N, TTX D9: power 410 horsepower, weight 54 tons, length 8 meters, height is 4 meters. Israel, for its army, made an armored version. Armored D9s, real tanks for street battles, participated in these operations. IMI developed a special reservation for D9, taking into account the hostilities, in urban areas. This allowed to maximize survivability. Driver, engine and important parts of the bulldozer. From small arms, mines and landmines and direct hits from RPGs. This allows you to use them as heavy engineering equipment. Clearing rubble, evacuating armored vehicles, clearing mine without leaving the battlefield.
Here we have in Russia, to modernize the bulldozer (DET-250) with electric transmission. And use it in the S. Caucasus to demolish the houses where the terrorists are seated !!! Snipers in the house or terrorists with explosives. An armored car pulls up ((DEP-250)) and raises the house to the ground.
AND NOT ANYTHING LOSSES AMONG THE SPECIALIZER. THERE FOR SUCH USE OF EL .. TRANSMISSIONS I AM FOR !!! The heavy T-800 bulldozer with a working weight of 106 tons, of which 29,5 tons are equipment, is equipped with an 820-horsepower 6DM-21T gas-turbine engine supercharged.
Our answer is US and Israel. WE RESERVE ON TERRORISTS.

[Canep]

Electric transmission has one major advantage - the ability to remotely control. We put a remote control unit in the cab, and the operator with the joystick can be at a safe distance.

Quote: bask

That would be a place to install a sufficiently powerful generator.

The generator case is a box with very thick steel walls (it is used as a magnetic circuit) with a thickness of up to 40 mm, in principle it can be not armored, but integrated into the armored housing.

[bask]

Quote: Canep

The generator housing is a box with very thick steel walls (

I know what a diesel generator is. I worked as a mechanic diesel engineer in a diesel locomotive depot ((deep youth))
Locomotive CME 2. Diesel: CME2 (6S310-DR) - 1350 l / s)). The TD-802 traction DC generator is mounted on the diesel frame and is driven directly from its crankshaft. The diesel engine drives the independent TD-802 main generator; its power is 885 kW at 750 rpm (voltage 354/600 V, current 2500/1475 a). The weight of the diesel generator is 19400 kg.
In short, a hybrid engine with electric transmission. And in terms of volume it will do.

[Canep]

The weight of diesel DG is quite large. To facilitate the need to use a more high-speed diesel engine and generator. But for the generator there is a restriction on the rotation speed, this is the mechanical strength of the windings (turns under the action of centrifugal force can fly out of the grooves). At one time I worked at a factory for the repair of traction engines (EZEM). Often, engines in a spilled winding came to repair.

[bask]

Quote: Canep

To facilitate the need to use a faster diesel engine and generator

But this is just an example.
But implement agrees with everyone.

Quote: Atlon

e that is already high time ...

Quote: Fofan

It looks good.

Quote: anton107798

together with joint venture

IMPLEMENT IT IS NECESSARY. But only on HEAVY ARMORED APPLIANCES .. We have mastered the production technologies of only diesel generators for heavy, engineering, construction, mining, railway, equipment.
MTO department at MBT ,, Merava-3, Any diesel generator will enter! ,, Pit ,,! How many interesting cubes does this MTO take?
But light and medium armored vehicles, ordinary diesel engines.

[ATATA]

Quote: bask

How many interesting cubes does this MTO take?

Cuba 2-3 by eye.

[77bor1973]

My friend, you forgot to mention how much the high-voltage chamber and a bunch of auxiliary machines weigh, for example, the CME-3 locomotive weighs 130 tons, the traction generator is about 7 tons, and the electric motor is about 2 tons.

[black_eagle]

Is an AC or DC electric motor standing on a diesel locomotive?

[black_eagle]

Quote: Canep

a major advantage - the ability to remote control

Remote control is not fiction now, in principle, you can work out and put a set of servos on any vehicle, and at least control it via satellite from anywhere in the world. A serious advantage is the huge torque of electric motors compared to diesel engines, and especially gasoline

[Interface]

Minesweeper, but how will the Ukrainian army, which does not have a satellite constellation in orbit (unlike the Russian Federation, the USA, and the PRC), manage, say, a hundred of such vehicles? By phone?)

[common man]

Electric transmission is most effective on multi-axle chassis, provided that all axles are leading. There is no need for numerous driveshafts, boxes, razdatki, final drives. The average efficiency of one cardan is 0,98, a gear pair is 0,96, a bearing is 0,99, and a torque converter is 0,9. And all this in total is multiplied. More axes, more elements, less efficiency. Ten cardans already give an efficiency of 0,81.

[black_eagle]

Electric transmission is effective in any performance not only among heavyweights, especially in a heap with modern chips like accumulative flywheels, energy recovery during braking, etc.

[Fofan]

looks good. I think electric transmission has a past. Germans successfully used it on elephants and some other samples.

[Atlon]

Quote: Canep

Looks good. I think electric transmission has a future.

Actually, it's high time ...

Quote: Canep

It is now successfully used on mining dump trucks (BELAZ 7513),

Used from the very beginning

Quote: Canep

diesel locomotives (all modern)

They ALWAYS were with an electric transmission

Electric transmission is a definite plus:
1. Simplification of the chassis
2. Lightweight platform
3. Protection of the engine and chassis (theoretically, if on each wheel by an electric motor, the car will ride on one).
4. The absence (which means high reliability) of differentials, demultiplier, cardan gears, and gearbox (when using stepper motors).
5. The possibility of completing such machines (in the future) with other, more modern power plants.
6. Profitability. Due to a significant reduction in weight and the absence of losses in a mechanical transmission.
7. Increased survivability and increased resource.
8. More simple repair and maintenance, including in the field.
9. Saving internal volume, and as a result a more convenient layout.

[Canep]

Quote: Atlon

They ALWAYS were with an electric transmission

There were some diesel locomotives with hydraulic transmission and are still in operation today. TG102:

TGM-3

And diesel trains have hydraulic transmission.
And Belaz-540 with a hydromechanical automatic machine.

[77bor1973]

In the field, all the pros can turn into cons.

[svp67]

Quote: 77bor1973

In the field, all the pros can turn into cons.

And in electric transmission, this process will be called "short circuit"

[black_eagle]

well, we have always had enough skeptics)))))))))))) As the pilot Alexander Molodchiy said when they proposed to increase the bomb load by half a ton: “What will happen if one engine of the plane fails? - It will be as always, explosion! And the chatterbox is gone ")))))))))))))))))))

[anton107798]

together with the specialists of the Department of "Wheeled and tracked vehicles" NTU "KhPI"
[/ Quote]

I was at this institute, production can be easily established there, both foundry and mechanics. electrician ... why not! And this is not a research institute, but the sites are powerful of course. I was directly at the foundry where experimental block-crankcases are poured, for the protection of diplomas and for experiments. Good institute, powerful!

[anton107798]

Please put a minus, so write why, otherwise the thought arises that those who minus the stupid rams who come here only to put a minus.

[ShturmKGB]

Funny people are sitting) But seriously, the electrical mechanisms on which the movement of military equipment depends, which are located exactly where the mines are being blown up, cast doubt on the advisability of such a solution.

[Canep]

This arrangement was most likely chosen in order to save the landing party from being blown up by a mine and shells getting into the forehead. That's why the little men are funny, and they can escape quickly through the back doors.

[Aristarch]

Quote: Canep

I think electric transmission has a future. It is now successfully used on mining dump trucks (BELAZ 7513), diesel locomotives (all modern), and some tractors (DET-250).

All of the above you have been using for at least 30 years already.

[Krapovy32]

I would not like to sit on the fuel tanks as a trooper of this "multiVEN". And what about the reservation that they did not write? Defense class, mine action, etc. d.

[Canep]

In BMP-1 (and 2), the landing also sits next to the fuel tanks (back and doors).

[Krapovy32]

Quote: Canep

In BMP-1 (and 2), the landing also sits next to the fuel tanks (back and doors).

I don’t know I mean that it’s time to create equipment taking into account possible risks and methods of counteracting them. My opinion is that by booking it is not better than our BTR 80. That's why I want to know what's new in the protection of this unit.

[Canep]

Rather, in terms of protection, this machine will be commensurate with the BTR-80. It’s difficult to judge, neither the weight nor the engine power is indicated by which one could even indirectly judge the thickness of the armor.

[bask]

Quote: Canep

In BMP-1 (and 2), the landing also sits next to the fuel tanks (back and doors).

This is a development of 50-60 years.
Not where the electric transmission was not applied, really on military equipment ((serial armored vehicles.))).
If it were all so simple amers, Japs, the Chinese would have set up long ago.

[PN]

Everything is correct. Because serial (mass) equipment should be as simple as possible, reliable, not expensive. And besides, I would like to know what it is, a tribute to the fashion for electronic transmission or a clear engineering calculation? Take into account the fact that the transfer of energy from one type to another does not take place without losses. But e-transimission has one big plus - frantic torque from the bottom.

[Atlon]

Quote: PN

Take at least the fact that the transfer of energy from one type to another does not go without loss

By itself. But in a mechanical drive losses are much greater!

Quote: bask

Not where the electric transmission was not applied, really on military equipment ((serial armored vehicles.))).

I think this is because technology followed the path of improving and developing the original schemes. An electric drive is a completely different concept that needs to be developed from scratch. No one can afford to quit the production of old weapons, and wait until a new one is born. Questions of purely conservative thinking.

Quote: PN

Because serial (mass) equipment should be as possible: simple, reliable, not expensive.

Electric transmission is simpler and more reliable than mechanical. In the event of a failure of a drive shaft, how long does it take to repair? And in case of wire break (interruption)? In addition, the failure of the gearbox immobilizes the entire car, and the failure of even half of the electric motors does not turn the car into a convenient target.

[Canep]

Quote: bask

If it were all so simple amers, Japs, the Chinese would have set up long ago.

If we had reasoned like this, we would not be the first to fly into space. In practice, this is entirely possible. It is only necessary to develop an engine and generator specifically for this machine based on the most modern achievements in this area. What if it turns out.

[avt]

Quote: Speckled32

And what about the reservation that they did not write? Defense class, mine action, etc. d.

This is the same layout. There wasn’t even any armor nearby. And judging by the absence of a photograph, it can be assumed that there is not even wooden - a conceptual design on paper . But can anyone post a photo? Campaign ukrotvet Prokhorov-on e-mobile answered e conveyor.

[Fokx]

again old mistakes - the landing cannot shoot on the move out of the car and sits with its back to the sides, which is fraught with a mine explosion!

[Mikado]

the faces are so happy, especially with the driver, it’s immediately obvious that he enjoys working on such an aggregate

[Orchestrarant]

Their smiley faces also amused me!

[horoh]

In terms of armament, everything is clear, but what kind of electric transmission and what its characteristics are, it is very interesting.

[tegezen]

Like an E-mobile. E-BMP is shorter.

[Fofan]

Quote: tegezen

Like an E-mobile. E-BMP is shorter.

Yeah, the same file

[ruslan7608]

They spoke well with the weapons, even showed them in the picture. But what do they do with the defense, what is the armor, what are the mine protection, and taking into account the fact that they indicated that the combat module can be used on the basis of the armored personnel carrier, they seem to have invented nothing new. They will simply change the towers of old cars, with new ones and that’s all.

[fatty]

no matter what the Ukrainian companies argue, it won’t go beyond the demonstration model. savages prefer Russian, but nothing to themselves, all the loot was sawn five years ahead.

[erased]

I don’t know what this thing is, but the question is different. Does Okraina have the right to use a PKT machine gun and a 2A72 cannon? After all, this is a Russian weapon. Did Outskirts receive a production license?

[BARKAS]

Ukraine has the right to use the gun if it buys it in Russia; permission is needed only for sale to third countries, but this is not necessary if the gun is bought by the end user and will assign it to Ukrainian manufacturers with a separate contract.

[svp67]

I think that during the demolition tests of the designers of this machine, there will be a great disappointment ...

[ATATA]

I would like to see running layout photo, not 3D drawings with androids.
If it is created of course.
Yes, and more TTX would not hurt.
Diesel power, weight of the entire platform, its dimensions.
The seats in the figure at the landing are not conventional, the bottom is not V-shaped.
There is nothing on the D-80 diesel in the network. Is he secret or what?

[Tan4ik]

Well done guys Ukrainians. Glad for them.

[fear32]

And here is a review of the true fraternal people. In Ukraine, too, many people sincerely rejoice in the achievements of Russia.

[common man]

Read the title of the article. The main thing here is working out the electric transmission. Everything else is secondary. Yes, also the D-80 engine. A quick search on the net did not clarify what kind of beast it was. And such developments have a future.

[Algor73]

It's good that we developed it, it's bad that it's not for ourselves. This is the first thing. Secondly, not "Okraina", but Ukraine. All the same, the state must be respected, like it or not, otherwise you can slide down to hysterical (psychic) ​​screams. And thirdly, it is a platform for a foreign customer. I doubt that there will be something Ukrainian besides the concept itself.

[ATATA]

Quote: Algor73

I doubt that there, besides the concept itself, will be something else Ukrainian.

It is good that Ukraine can still create concepts.
Although I doubt it. Nothing outstanding can be seen in this concept.
Electrotransmission ??? But before you judge her, you need to look at RUNNING at least a layout.

[Tan4ik]

Yes, we are Slav brothers, especially since almost everyone has someone in Ukraine) I always wanted to go there to distant relatives. And about the duck news, it’s really good, that would connect all the Slavic countries and everything, NATO’s heart)

[commentor]

Quote: fear32

Yes, Russia took upon itself all the external debts of the USSR, but do not forget that all the property of the Union abroad went to you as well.

http://lenta.ru/news/2010/05/24/yanukovich/
http://lenta.ru/news/2011/02/01/property/

[Misantrop]

Quote: fear32

Union property abroad also went to you

I wonder if Ukraine can be considered "the property of the Union abroad"?

And according to the concept itself, it’s interesting whether the floating (according to the sketch) armored car took into account the protection of electrical equipment from moisture? The seals very quickly ruin off-road ... And from an electromagnetic pulse in the explosion of nuclear weapons? According to the scheme - fundamentally nothing particularly new. In terms of the practical implementation of issues a lot will come out.

You can also throw the idea of ​​a backup source of energy. Pedal generator in the troop compartment. If you twist everything together - you can go

[ATATA]

Quote: Misantrop

I wonder if Ukraine can be considered "the property of the Union abroad"?

[Roll]

Debts and patent law are two different things. Yes, Russia paid its debts, but in return it received foreign property. But patent law is a complicated thing and you need to look in each case, then in the USSR copyright was also applied, and this is generally a dark forest.

[commentor]

Foreign property did not cover debts even by 5%.
As for patent law, it’s a complicated thing, yes. There is a complete mess with the intellectual property of the USSR, and no one argues with this. The problem is that Russia wants to understand and solve these issues, and Ukraine refuses to even discuss it, realizing what the result will be.

[Roll]

And the Soviet people spoke and spoke both Russian (national) and their native. In the USSR, native languages ​​were not oppressed, unlike fascist Germany.

[commentor]

You're not right. You need to study the origins of our peoples. Read about Kievan Rus, for example.

[ATATA]

Quote: commentor

You're not right. You need to study the origins of our peoples. Read about Kievan Rus, for example.

I know Kievan Rus, and a chimera called Ukraine, the brainchild of the Austrian General Staff.
And by the way, the first set of laws in Kievan Rus was called "Russian truth"
And then the Russians say they are the Finno-Finns who stole the name from the true Russians (now UKRA)! Or maybe the other way around ?! UKRA stole land from the Russians and is it time to take it home?
By the way, it is consonant with steal / UKRA.

Quote: commentor

I will answer only about the debts of the USSR. Yes, Russia took upon itself all the external debts of the USSR, but do not forget that all the property of the Union abroad went to you as well. And much more...

And what kind of property? Real estate deep missions, military bases, we did not trade this in order to close our debts. This is not a liquid asset.
And what else?

Quote: fear32

Or apart from verbal diarrhea about the fat and terminology of Stalin are you not capable of more?

Quote: fear32

I’m not interested in answering the rest of the heresy that you wrote.

2/3 of your post is heresy and diarrhea.
Better not annoy me, I can’t look at your independent circus without tears and I can’t think. Mockery of people with soldering brains with a soldering iron right on the knee of young animals.

[commentor]

Quote: fear32

This machine gun and cannon were created in the USSR and, consequently, the state successors of the USSR can use the rights to these weapons. Or, following your tight logic, can you call the T-34 not a Soviet but a Ukrainian tank, created at one time in Kharkov?

Ukraine has now become the assignee of the USSR? Did you make any commitments?
Maybe then Ukraine will share responsibility for repressions, for example, for a fictitious Holodomor? Let's share the burden of debt. If Russia is obliged to pay for the "occupation" of certain countries, then fraternal Ukraine will again fit in, it is the legal successor.

Or does Ukraine have only consumer succession?

[ATATA]

Quote: commentor

Or does Ukraine have only consumer succession?

This is Hutsul succession. Where it is profitable to accept, where not WE ARE THE SELF-STATE COUNTRY!
You "+"

[gladiatorakz]

The car is interesting. Details would be TTX. The location of the tanks raises questions.

[My address]

We took a picture of the 80-th BTR, drew it and wrote what came to mind. This is not even advertising as well, about anything. Dreams of the future.
Ukrainian engineering in failure. Even bridge cranes are scary to buy from them - the assembly is disgusting, the quality of the metal is nowhere.
For Ukrainophiles, I'm sorry, but you are rolling into the abyss. I repeat - for me it is like paralysis of a good former neighbor after he moved to another area.

[abstract]

the armament block can be strengthened with an easel grenade launcher, well, the landing should be turned towards the loopholes;

[Fofan]

But the crew is happy and smiling, but is the landing party so sad?

[abstract]

refused to allow

[itkul]

Quote: Fofan

But the crew is happy and smiling, but is the landing party so sad?

And you would be glad if you were riding on a barrel with diesel fuel. Although this may be such an ejection device, in the understanding of Ukrainians

[Roll]

In general, the location of the fuel tanks is not so stupid, a mine blast falls on the first wheels, if it is diesel, then it is acceptable, besides, the tanks can be strengthened with additional armor, and the wheels are covered. Yes, and I also wanted to add, this is only soldiers in the picture they’re sitting on the gas tank, and in life 6 paratroopers will be on the armor and 4 as in the picture.

[Genady1976]

The mice will gobble up the wiring and come

[abstract]

Included in the armored personnel carrier will be 20 Chinese mousetraps))

[Suhov]

BMP - good! Are helicopters better?

Has anyone compared the cost of solving standard problems using BMPs and turntables?
Such as:
- destruction of the tank column,
- transfer of personnel
- the pursuit of bandits,
- "dismantling" of buildings where bandits are hiding
- etc. etc.?

[Sun-faced]

Quote: Sukhov

- destruction of the tank column,

Ka-52 is still forbidden to shoot ATGMs due to the raw avionics.

Quote: Sukhov

troop transfer

This is the task of transport helicopters. There was a Mi-24, only he had no tasks. With the concept of flying BMP crap one's pants, therefore, and used them as drums.

Quote: Sukhov

- the pursuit of bandits

Unusual for the military task. It’s more likely to VV.

Quote: Sukhov

- "dismantling" of buildings where bandits are hiding

In a large development?

[Canep]

Hello to the Sun

[Melchakov]

Quote: Sun-faced

Ka-52 is still forbidden to shoot ATGM

Come on?!

[Sun-faced]

There is no evidence of a Ka-52 firing ATGMs on the network. Yes, he can’t move a gun either. And the crossbow on the cars in torzhok is not there either.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Sun-faced

Ka-52 is still forbidden to shoot ATGMs due to the raw avionics.

Which ones?

Quote: Sun-faced

This is the task of transport helicopters. There was a Mi-24, only he had no tasks. With the concept of flying BMP crap one's pants, therefore, and used them as drums.

With the idea they did not "crap", the idea was merged. Thanks Misha

Quote: Sun-faced

In a large development?

And what does it interfere with?

[abstract]

BMP tasks and turntables are slightly different (

[Sun-faced]

But the cross between the BMP and the turntable (or Mi-24) has no problems AT ALL! That the truth doesn’t stop using it all over the world as SHOCK helicopter. True, he does this poorly.

[EDW]

Although this is an invention of the y-bike, but in general, the idea is good, an article plus.

However, damn it, why almost all of the current development is just a re-arrangement of existing components and assemblies ?! (This is me about the power plant - a diesel generator). It turns out that compactness, unpretentiousness and maximum efficiency are required from the installation, and here a cumbersome solution is used for large-tonnage equipment - Belazov and diesel locomotives, this is no good.

There are also developments, there are patents for twice as compact generators combined with an internal combustion engine. Briefly, in the ceramic cylinder block around the moving pistons, windings are built to generate electricity. And that’s all! The reciprocating movement of the pistons with magnetic elements gives electricity without any intermediate transformations, transmissions, gearboxes, friction losses. And the windings from increased revolutions will not get enough sleep and the heat from the motor can be removed normally (copper, especially if you let coolant inside the windings).
And here some project of a mobile power station of the middle of the last century is direct, but it’s armored. And landing the backs to the sides of the stupid.

[Tan4ik]

Quote: Sun-faced

But the cross between the BMP and the turntable (or Mi-24) has no problems AT ALL! That the truth doesn’t stop using it all over the world as SHOCK helicopter. True, he does this poorly.

What are you ?! Belens overeating ?! I didn’t think that everything is so bad with you, contact a specialist.

[Lopatov]

They had to come to electric transmission for a long time. This same machine can be arranged as you like. The Americans were going to use motor wheels, they did smarter here

[nod739]

ShturmKGB

Funny people are sitting) But seriously, the electrical mechanisms on which the movement of military equipment depends, which are located exactly where the mines are being blown up, cast doubt on the advisability of such a solution.

just the most important plus - complete independence, the detonation of mines - tore off the wheel, the rest are spinning.
and on a mechanical one it’s not always the case, if the transmission is damaged, the cardan, or the bridge or gearbox, then the wheels associated with it will stand up ...

the main minus is the rise in price due to electric motors, a generator, equipment, etc. the main plus is a more rational distribution of power and a decrease in dynamic loads on the diesel engine, and as a result a longer resource, reclamation of electric energy during braking, oil saving on all gearboxes / boxes, reduction in the number of rotating pieces of iron, and energy costs for their unwinding, reduction of friction, and general efficiency improvements ... at least on heavy mining equipment so

[Misantrop]

Quote: nod739

braking energy recovery

How, by reverse exhaust exhaust to diesel fuel?

[Lopatov]

Through the battery. It is expensive. Alternatively, through the flywheel. But nobody seemed to put it in cars yet

[svp67]

Quote: Spade

Through the battery. It is expensive. Alternatively, through the flywheel. But nobody seemed to put it in cars yet

flywheel - will allow you to "accumulate energy" for a very short time, and the use of a flywheel is not a very reasonable option in the proposed scheme - what will spin it up? Separate electric motor / generator or do separate drive from engine? It's easier to use such a function, a motor-generator, to "teach" a couple of electric motors on one of the axes - except for the first ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: svp67

flywheel - allows you to "save energy" for a very short time

But it’s cheaper than the battery. I heard about diesel loaders with flywheels that turn on while they are inside the ship. So it's long enough.
On the other hand, if this thing is destroyed, there are huge problems.

In the proposed scheme, it is generally better not to bother with recovery. All this will only increase the cost.

The engine is supposed to work optimally and so, which will save fuel. However, here I am not sure. Probably all the same, without running batteries, it will work as usual.

Quote: svp67

It's easier to use such a function, a motor-generator, to "teach" a couple of electric motors on one of the axes - except for the first ...

Redistribute energy between engines?

[svp67]

Quote: Spade

Redistribute energy between engines?

-Charge the battery

[Lopatov]

Which one? The fact of the matter is that the running battery is a heavy and expensive thing. And ordinary starters do not need to be recharged much. The main generator will quite cope with this.

[svp67]

Quote: Spade

Which one? The fact of the matter is that the running battery is a heavy and expensive thing. And ordinary starters do not need to be recharged much. The main generator will quite cope with this.

Judging by the abundance of electrical consumers, the load on the generator will be large and partially, in difficult moments it will be "extinguished" due to the capacity of the battery, so that the battery will probably be not only "starter" there.
Although the further I disassemble this scheme, the more I am convinced that its simplicity is only visibility ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: svp67

Although the further I disassemble this scheme, the more I am convinced that its simplicity is only visibility ...

It seems so to me too

[Misantrop]

Quote: Spade

Alternatively, through the flywheel. But nobody seemed to put it in cars yet

And if you use a tower as a flywheel? It is quite heavy and uninhabited

[svp67]

And this is how, in the opinion of "Courage", our promising armored personnel carrier "Boomerang" looks like, which is very similar, including in design, to what the Ukrainians offer ...

[Ruslan_F38]

Ukraine is reborn, well, of course, only in my opinion it is in the wrong direction, it would be better to establish relations with Russia than to rivet tanks.

[Sun-faced]

Better to rivet those who have no analogues in the garage. You can even laugh at them.

[Alexander D.]

UVZ rivets unparalleled - what is not a product, no longer has analogues))) In Ukraine they will quietly rivet quite normal "analogues"

[Uzer 13.]

Technical experts have correctly noted that the electric drive in the transmission is advantageous to use on heavy machines. This can significantly simplify the transmission scheme and reduce mechanical power losses. Moreover, such transmissions have already been created and are widely used in production. There are no obstacles to their use in military equipment .If you take up the matter wisely, you can at the same time solve the accompanying tasks - increase the power supply of the combat vehicle, reduce the center of gravity, apply a more rational layout, etc.

[cth; fyn]

Share your smile
And she will come back to you more than once ...

[roial]

Quote: svp67

And this is how, in the opinion of "Courage", our promising armored personnel carrier "Boomerang" looks like, which is very similar, including in design, to what the Ukrainians offer ...

That's exactly what they think. And in real life, is there at least a mock-up or only a business project for cutting dough ???
And not from here they copied it?
BTR-4MV

[Lopatov]

What is more likely called "Horror" in your photos

And the armored personnel carrier "Boomerang" rather "copied" from the Scandinavian and German samples

[Lord of the Sith]

Specifically, what is "Horror"?

[Lopatov]

In everything. What is the meaning of remaking the nose of the car? Will she look like a competing polka now? Is that from afar.

[Lord of the Sith]

Arguably explained

[Lopatov]

I wish someone explained to me the need for such an alteration, I would be happy.

[svp67]

Quote: Spade

I wish someone explained to me the need for such an alteration, I would be happy.

Thinking, the main issue here is to increase the armor resistance of the bow of the hull, and perhaps the BTR4 has problems with the "rigidity" of the hull. I would very much like to read or at least see the results of tests on the detonation of the BTR4

[Lopatov]

Why undermine it? Initially, no such requirements were made to him. In theory, the limit grenade under the bottom.

Yes, his "face" is somewhat archaic for a modern car, but why make up for "Patria" or "Boxer" - it will do nothing. On the old one installed additional. protection kit, I think that was enough.

[svp67]

Quote: Spade

Why undermine it?

That is, you think that where the armored car will drive, the opposing side will not install minefields? What is not a typical opponent.

Quote: Spade

In theory, the limit grenade under the bottom.

That is, do you think that throwing a grenade under the bottom is easier or safer than setting a mine in the path of movement?

[Lopatov]

Quote: svp67

That is, you think that where the armored car will drive, the opposing side will not install minefields? What is not a typical opponent.

This is an armored personnel carrier. His whole task is to bring infantry to the battlefield, providing protection from fragments and various types of light infantry reconnaissance and sabotage groups. There will be a bunch of cars, a company column of at least 9 armored personnel carriers. And sappers must protect the column from mines.
Need a patrol with protection against explosions, buy. It just will be more expensive. But they need less.
Need a machine that will operate on the battlefield, buy an infantry fighting vehicle. Which will also be more expensive.

You should not demand from the APC what it is not intended to do. This is a regular truck.

Quote: svp67

That is, do you think that throwing a grenade under the bottom is easier or safer than setting a mine in the path of movement?

It's just that the old standard, as far as I remember, is still Soviet.

[svp67]

Quote: Spade

You should not demand from the APC what it is not intended to do. This is a regular truck.

Not ordinary, but armored. And the destination that you indicate is more suitable for BTR152, BTR60. But such a machine, with an automatic gun and ATGMs, is already designed to solve more serious problems ...
And for that matter, the "Tigers" and "Lynxes" are generally armored cars, but it was the blasting tests that were the stumbling block thanks to which, for some time, the "Lynxes" were more preferable, until this indicator on the "Tiger" was brought into line. ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: svp67

But such a machine, with an automatic gun and ATGMs, is already designed to solve more serious problems ...

And personally, I think these "bells and whistles" are unnecessary.
BMP is needed - buy a normal vehicle on tracks. Otherwise it will come out like with Italians in Iraq, when their "wheeled tanks" were stuck on the streets of Nasiriyah for 6 hours.

[svp67]

Quote: roial

That's exactly what they think. And in real life, is there at least a mock-up or only a business project for cutting dough ???
And didn’t they copy him from here? BTR-4MV

I think that most likely with this Stryker MGS

[svp67]

or from this wheeled tank "Centauro" and BMP Freccio

[Lopatov]

Rather AMV with a tower that looks like an octopus

[svp67]

And all this taken together suggests that of the existing sets of development directions for wheeled armored personnel carriers, this is currently considered the most promising ...

[svp67]

Quote: roial

That's exactly what they think. But in real life, is there at least a mock-up or just a business project for cutting dough ??? And was it not from here that they copied it? BTR-4MV

And do not tell me how many BTR-4, not even "MV" is in service with UNA?

[Fidain]

Rad za Ukraincov, tak derzhat.Nadeyus tolko ne prosto budut delat novie BTRi a delat kachestveno ...

[roial]

Quote: Spade

What is more likely called "Horror" in your photos

And the armored personnel carrier "Boomerang" rather "copied" from the Scandinavian and German samples

Laughing for a long time. Even nashol pictures

Quote: Spade

Scandinavian and German designs

It seems ... only you need to modify a little file.

[Lopatov]

So nowhere to go. Machines with a similar layout and with the initial requirement of the ability to install additional. Reservations will look very similar.
However, this image is not even a model from the breeders, it is pure fruit of the artist's fantasy from "Courage"

[waisson]

Of course I’m glad for the Ukrainian brothers because they are looking for their extraordinary ideas; we have little to regret them, but I have a number of questions about how much it is maneuverable in battle in battle, because a tractor

[Alexander D.]

in the interests of the foreign company ADCOM Military Industries was developed

And their motorized rifles will drive on the proven immortal BTR-80 until they rot)))

[a.hamster55]

And all this disgrace is probably well protected from an electromagnetic impulse when nuclear weapons are undermined?

[Lopatov]

Why not? I do not think that this disgrace is more vulnerable than various kinds of communication equipment, radar, etc.

[shurup]

It remains to develop a hybrid tank, where the batteries will simultaneously be elements of mounted active armor. And it’s convenient to change.

[svp67]

Quote: shurup

It remains to develop a hybrid tank, where the batteries will simultaneously be elements of mounted active armor. And it’s convenient to change.

Then not the battery, but capacitors, and protection against theft and enemy infantry could be developed on the basis of this

[shurup]

Between the tank and the grenade launcher after the last shot a channel is formed for the discharge of capacitors.
The grenade launcher receives a painless electric shock. In the sense that he does not have time to feel the pain.
All this refers to the so-called. non-traditional solutions, which I did not see in the presented development.

[Chicot 1]

Very much Ukrainian comrades became interested in the electromechanical transmission on the BTT. Not so long ago, the concept of MBT T-100-140 was discussed. An interesting concept I must say, though not without flaws ...
This armored personnel carrier (or wheeled infantry fighting vehicle, as anyone likes) is also, in my opinion, interesting. But "wash the bones" and "pay tribute" to this wheeled concept is hindered by the extremely scarce information provided in the material ...

Quote: bask

The Caterpillar D9 bulldozer was developed in 1954. It has been constantly upgraded. Modifications: D9E, D9G, D9H, D9L, D9N, TTX D9

As far as I am aware (if I am mistaken, then correct), imported heavy industrial tractors use a hydrostatic transmission. Electromechanical transmission is used only on our domestic

Quote: Canep

tractors (DET-250)

And also on DET-320, DET-350, DET-400 (for now this is a complete list of diesel-electric tractors). All of them are produced at ChTZ ...

DET-250 at work. Why not a tank! ..

[Aristarch]

.... are produced at ChTZ. "At the legendary Soviet-era giant plant - ChTZ. Oh, the former power is gone, and unfortunately the demand is not the same, and the military is not produced at all, except for engines. Honor and praise to designers, engineers, workers, those who created such equipment. My grandfather worked as a designer at that plant, in a closed design bureau, this is his brainchild. Grandfather, I remember you and tell your great-grandchildren everything.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: Aristarchus

My grandfather worked as a designer at that factory, in a closed design bureau, this is his brainchild.

Aristarchus, low bows to your grandfather for DEET! Great car! My father worked on it in Norilsk ... And he let me "steer" when he took me to work with him. So I know about DET-250 not by hearsay ...
I actually remember him like that ...

[Aristarch]

Thanks for the kind words. When I was 12 years old, he talked a lot about his work, said that DET would be very popular, that they could feed a small village, that it was a unique car. About automation of the fuel system of engines for tanks, that the engine will work in any conditions, about gas turbine installations, in general, a lot of things. It is a pity that this remains only in memory, before the release was dozens per shift, and now it is units per month. No demand.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: Aristarchus

He talked a lot about his work, said that the det would be very popular, that this is a unique machine.

I think, I hope that DET will be still in demand. This is a truly unique and necessary machine ...

"Heir in a straight line" - DET-320

[bask]

Quote: Chicot 1

Aristarchus, your grandfather bow deeply for death! Great car! M

No one argues. You just need to make a military version (DET).
Dump for more. Separate reservation and mine reservation.
""
Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant plans to launch production of armored bulldozers for the needs of the Russian army. Some experts believe that this is a myth, while others, on the contrary, are confident in the new ChTZ product.
“When viewing the exhibition of civilian products, ChTZ announced that the terms of reference for the development of an armored tractor similar to CAT D9 had been developed and approved by the plant and the engineering troops. They stated that the T-75.01 (T-800) bulldozer-ripping aggregate will be used as the base, ”the blogger claims.
The T-800 is the largest industrial crawler tractor of the traction class 75 in the ChTZ line with bulldozer and cultivating equipment with a working weight of 106 tons, of which 29,5 tons are equipment. According to the official website of ChTZ, the T-800 is "the largest heavy bulldozer out of the entire continent."
It is also worth noting that there are no reports on the planned release of a new armored vehicle either on the website of the authorized representative, or on the website of the governor of the Chelyabinsk region, or on the website of the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant. The press service of ChTZ did not confirm the information either.

[img] ktualno.ru/view/chelyabinsk/economy/6890?print [/ img]

This is the same thing, I suggested in my comment in the morning. Thoughts agreed.
BLOGERS PLAN TO ISSUE, AND FACTORY AND MO probably this is not necessary.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: bask

It is only necessary to make a military option (DET)

As far as I know, DET-250 was used in engineering troops. Naturally, without any reservation and for its intended purpose ...
In 1990, a modification was introduced designed to work in conditions of increased radioactive contamination - DET-250M3 ...

DET-250M3

[bask]

Quote: Chicot 1

hydrostatic transmission.

I did not write that on the D9 there is an electromechanical transmission.

Quote: Chicot 1

As far as I know, the DET-250 was used in engineering troops. Naturally without any reservation and in its own way

This is the whole point. You only need to book. I don’t know just what the DET-250MZ group is. We are all preparing for a nuclear war.
But we have been fighting since 1979, to the present day with gangs and terrorists.
Really in the Moscow Region and the General Staff there was no one who had the idea ((taking into account the Israeli combat experience)) Look like THEIR D9, they famously equate the Palestinians.
I need my own version of an armored-assault bulbozer. With good reservation, And a bucket is not a 2-meter dump. It is to support infantry during the storming of buildings.
NOT JUST ENGINEERING BUT AND STORM !!!

[Chicot 1]

Quote: bask

I didn’t write that on D9 the electromechanical transmission

Since we were talking about an electromechanical transmission and DET-250 was mentioned in your comment, I thought that you attributed the "Catharpillars" to such tractors ...

Quote: bask

Need your own version of an armored-assault bulbozer. With good booking

I think DET-400 is quite suitable for this role ... But for this you can use a bulldozer with hydrostatic transmission ... Each of these drives has its own advantages and disadvantages ...
But such a technique is necessary, and here I agree with you completely and completely ...

DET-400

[bask]

Quote: Chicot 1

I think DET-400 is quite suitable for this role ... But for this you can use a bulldozer with a hydro-volume

Honestly, I'm not a specialist in bulldozers.
What kind of transmission, electromechanical or with a hydro-volume transmission. ,, I agree, not fundamentally. Let specialists .. engineers decide.

Quote: Chicot 1

But such a technique is necessary, and here I agree with you completely and completely ...

One hundred%

[builder]

Would that fit?

[Aristarch]

What is new in it? what is invented? left overs.

[roial]

Quote: Alexander D.

And their motorized rifles will drive on the proven immortal BTR-80 until they rot)))

And what is the point of purchasing sophisticated equipment without a normal repair and technical base? Yes, and 80-current we have enough for 50 years.
We are not as rich as you, we have no oil and gas. To buy foreign "bobby" and "scows".
You drive your Iveks for repair over a hill or how ??

[Sun-faced]

Quote: roial

Yes, and 80-current we have enough for 50 years.

70-k. 80-y Urkaini little and everything is in order.

[svp67]

Quote: roial

You drive your Iveks for repair over a hill or how ??

Or how ... we will change for "Tigers", and your army is still armed with UAZs?

[Lopatov]

Yes, it is better "UAZ" armored than "Tiger".

[bask]

Quote: Spade

and it is better "UAZ" armored than "Tiger".

For all my not love for ,, Tiger ,, you probably joked.?
And speaking of electric transmission.
The Swedes were the first to introduce SEP on the APC, but not one of the options went into the series.
Wheel with an electric motor built into the hub.
SEP6 / 6

Sep-2

[Lopatov]

Quote: bask

For all my not love for ,, Tiger ,, you probably joked.?

Well no. BB-shniks 30 pcs. armored UAZs are going to buy. Price cap 1.6 million Compare with Tiger

[bask]

Quote: Spade

but no. BB shniki 30 pcs. armored UAZ are going to buy

In principle, when compared with SMP-2M, there is no big difference (((except for the price))).
What UAZ, what ,, Tiger ,,, there is no mine protection.
A bulletproof booking is the same.
And where ,, Typhoons ,, for 1 ml .. $$$ or Euro. In general, they probably will not see.
But where did the composition of 30 Tigers come from ???

[Sun-faced]

Quote: svp67

we will change to "Tigers"

Do not give boh. It’s better to tie an armored plate to an ancient UAZ, remembering the Prague uprising, than to buy it.

[roial]

Well, those are also adaptable)

[roial]

Quote: svp67

Or how ... we will change for "Tigers", and your army is still armed with UAZs?

And that your "Tiger" is very different from the UAZ?

[Lopatov]

As far as I heard, 5 times more expensive. This refers to armored options. And so nothing.

[svp67]

Quote: roial

And that your "Tiger" is very different from the UAZ?

OUR "Tiger" differs from OUR UAZ in that the first is "half an armored vehicle", and the second is a modified "Volga" GAZ21

[bask]

Quote: svp67

Sh "Tiger" differs from OUR UAZ in that the first is "half an armored vehicle", and the second is a modified "Volga" GAZ21

Today, a whole echelon, proceeded to the south. All ,, Tigers ,, SMP-2M, I counted 30 cars. The aircraft is not explosive, the main thing is not one BTR-80/82

[bask]

Cool. The Turks created a floating bulldozer. AZMİM - armored amphibious vehicle.
"" The world's first amphibious bulldozer was developed by Turkish military engineers as a result of four years of research and development work. The bulldozer is called AZMİM - Amfibi Zırhlı İstihkam İş Makinesi, that is, an amphibious armored engineering vehicle, "" [media = http: //pro-tank.ru/blog/975-armor
ed-and-amphibious-army-bulldozer-turkey]
It happens even!

[ilya63]

what is now being exaggerated is a dead end and death, military equipment must firstly be reliable (trouble-free), easy to operate (so that any monkey can use it) and maintainable (preferably in the field), and Mr. Porsche has played enough with the electromechanical transmission. " Fedya "(only makes the structure heavier), but the combat module is not bad, but instead of a 1-30mm gun, install a quad motor cannon (firepower will increase and the accuracy of hits will improve) in a non-manned turret, similar to installations on Navy ships