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Ukrainian company has developed a new combat vehicle with electro-transmission

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In Ukraine, in the interests of the foreign company ADCOM Military Industries, a fundamentally new universal combat platform was developed. The specialists of Urpolis Company together with the specialists of the Wheeled and Tracked Machines department of NTU “KPI”, as well as with the engineers of the SIEMENS company, created a running mockup of a combat vehicle with an electro-transmission, on which the layout and control system was worked out. In the course of this work, the D-80 diesel engine and power take-off device were developed and patented.


Ukrainian company has developed a new combat vehicle with electro-transmission


The basis of armament was to become a combat module "TYPHOON" equipped with a complex of weapons and an automated fire control system. The armament complex includes an 30-mm ZTM-1 cannon (2А72) and an 7,62-mm PKT machine gun paired with it. The gun mounted in the mask has two-band separate power supply with electromechanical or manual reloading, a firing range of up to 4000, a firing rate of up to 330 shots / minute.

A PKT machine gun mounted in a single mask with a cannon ensures the destruction of enemy manpower at ranges up to 1500. The cannon and machine gun pointing angles (-5 ... + 65 degrees) allow effective firing at low-speed air targets at ranges up to 2500m.



On the sides of the module there is a place for installing 2-х (4-х) ATGM guides with a vertical guidance mechanism. Module ammunition consists of: 500 shots to the ZTM-1 gun in the power boxes in the basket, 2000 cartridges for the PKT machine gun and 2 (4) ATGM.



The automated fire control system includes the 9Sh350-I search and aiming device with a guidance and stabilization platform, a 1PZ-7 day sight, a weapon stabilizer, a control computer and a video computer. Search and aiming device equipped with two cameras (narrow and wide field of view), range finder and thermal imager. The camera image is displayed on the monitor of the video computer. For firing at ground and air targets, a monocular periscope 1PZ-7 sight can be used.



The combat module "TYPHOON" can be integrated into any chassis of the type BTR, BMP.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 19 May 2013 07: 31 New
    16
    Looks good. I think electric transmission has a future. It is now successfully used on mining dump trucks (BELAZ 7513), diesel locomotives (all modern), and some tractors (DET-250).
    1. Maks111
      Maks111 19 May 2013 09: 22 New
      +2
      It's time.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 19 May 2013 10: 13 New
      +9
      Quote: Canep
      I think electric transmission has a future. It is now successfully used on mining dump trucks (BELAZ 7513), diesel locomotives (all modern), and some tractors (DET-250)

      Not everything is as simple as you think!
      The first patent for a motor-wheel was received by the American Wellington Adams in 1884, and the first car with such a power system was built in 1900 by Ferdinand Porsche).
      This technology, although applied, does not have sufficient distribution, thanks to a bunch of specific
      deficiencies.
      Another thing that amazes me is Prokhorov with his skimmer under the name E Mobile! Volvo recently announced that it is looking for an electric vehicle partner.
      If everything was so simple, China would have filled up the world with such mobiles in a couple of years !!
      1. Canep
        Canep 19 May 2013 11: 06 New
        +1
        Electric transmission is justified on high power machines. It is best worked out on diesel locomotives and ships.
        1. black_eagle
          black_eagle 19 May 2013 22: 05 New
          +4
          Why do high-capacity vehicles use electromechanical transmission? because the electric motor has the maximum torque throughout the entire speed range, i.e., like an internal combustion engine, the maximum torque is only in the narrow speed range, which by the way does not coincide with the minimum fuel consumption, and, in practice, is very close to those revolutions which are dangerous for the engine. That is why for a 1000-ton train only electromechanical transmission is used to touch it, and on mining trucks, which, under conditions of complete off-road conditions, must carry a 100-ton weight at minimum speeds. Is such a thing needed on an armored personnel carrier or tank? In the modern world, this layout must be worked out unconditionally, in our time, a tank consumption of 200-300 liters per 100 km is unacceptable luxury, and so the tank engine works in ideal conditions at ideal speeds, and the mechanical drive with the help of a pedal, just does not drive the rotation angle throttle, and something like a variable resistor will regulate the speed of all eight electric motors. What will come of this, we will wait, good luck)))
      2. Civil
        Civil 19 May 2013 14: 27 New
        -1
        Prokhorov is a new administration project, let's see how it will develop
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 19 May 2013 15: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Civil
          Prokhorov is a new administration project, let's see how it will develop

          Which project?
          Which administration?
          He just let in dust and immediately to the side !! He has already left the project. It’s like Berezovsky with his AVVA, the only difference is that Prokhorov did not collect money from the people, but the milestones are the same!
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 19 May 2013 21: 19 New
        +3
        The article is incomprehensible ...
        The main thing, and the most interesting, in this development is the electric transmission, but they write about the combat module!
        And is this machine in metal or not?
        Running prototype, so to speak.
        Or just a "project" in the minds of experts?
        Projectors are now abundant ...
    3. bask
      bask 19 May 2013 10: 39 New
      17
      Quote: Canep
      BELAZ 7513), diesel locomotives (all modern), and some tractors (DET-250).

      So it is necessary to put the electric transmission only on tracked chassis, for MBT, assault guns, heavy engineering equipment.
      That would be a place to install a sufficiently powerful generator.
      But the military doesn’t use electric transmission. The Caterpillar D9 bulldozer was developed in 1954. It was constantly modernized. Modifications: D9E, D9G, D9H, D9L, D9N, TTX D9: power 410 horsepower, weight 54 tons, length 8 meters, height is 4 meters. Israel, for its army, made an armored version. Armored D9s, real tanks for street battles, participated in these operations. IMI developed a special reservation for D9, taking into account the hostilities, in urban areas. This allowed to maximize survivability. Driver, engine and important parts of the bulldozer. From small arms, mines and landmines and direct hits from RPGs. This allows you to use them as heavy engineering equipment. Clearing rubble, evacuating armored vehicles, clearing mine without leaving the battlefield.
      Here we have in Russia, to modernize the bulldozer (DET-250) with electric transmission. And use it in the S. Caucasus to demolish the houses where the terrorists are seated !!! Snipers in the house or terrorists with explosives. An armored car pulls up ((DEP-250)) and raises the house to the ground.
      AND NOT ANYTHING LOSSES AMONG THE SPECIALIZER. THERE FOR SUCH USE OF EL .. TRANSMISSIONS I AM FOR !!! The heavy T-800 bulldozer with a working weight of 106 tons, of which 29,5 tons are equipment, is equipped with an 820-horsepower 6DM-21T gas-turbine engine supercharged.
      Our answer is US and Israel. WE RESERVE ON TERRORISTS.

      1. Canep
        Canep 19 May 2013 11: 01 New
        0
        Electric transmission has one major advantage - the ability to remotely control. We put a remote control unit in the cab, and the operator with the joystick can be at a safe distance.
        Quote: bask
        That would be a place to install a sufficiently powerful generator.
        The generator case is a box with very thick steel walls (it is used as a magnetic circuit) with a thickness of up to 40 mm, in principle it can be not armored, but integrated into the armored housing.
        1. bask
          bask 19 May 2013 11: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Canep
          The generator housing is a box with very thick steel walls (

          I know what a diesel generator is. I worked as a mechanic diesel engineer in a diesel locomotive depot ((deep youth))
          Locomotive CME 2. Diesel: CME2 (6S310-DR) - 1350 l / s)). The TD-802 traction DC generator is mounted on the diesel frame and is driven directly from its crankshaft. The diesel engine drives the independent TD-802 main generator; its power is 885 kW at 750 rpm (voltage 354/600 V, current 2500/1475 a). The weight of the diesel generator is 19400 kg.
          In short, a hybrid engine with electric transmission. And in terms of volume it will do.
          1. Canep
            Canep 19 May 2013 12: 48 New
            0
            The weight of diesel DG is quite large. To facilitate the need to use a more high-speed diesel engine and generator. But for the generator there is a restriction on the rotation speed, this is the mechanical strength of the windings (turns under the action of centrifugal force can fly out of the grooves). At one time I worked at a factory for the repair of traction engines (EZEM). Often, engines in a spilled winding came to repair.
            1. bask
              bask 19 May 2013 13: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: Canep
              To facilitate the need to use a faster diesel engine and generator

              But this is just an example.
              But implement agrees with everyone.
              Quote: Atlon
              e that is already high time ...

              Quote: Fofan
              It looks good.

              Quote: anton107798
              together with joint venture

              IMPLEMENT IT IS NECESSARY. But only on HEAVY ARMORED APPLIANCES .. We have mastered the production technologies of only diesel generators for heavy, engineering, construction, mining, railway, equipment.
              MTO department at MBT ,, Merava-3, Any diesel generator will enter! ,, Pit ,,! How many interesting cubes does this MTO take?
              But light and medium armored vehicles, ordinary diesel engines.
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 19 May 2013 13: 54 New
                +2
                Quote: bask
                How many interesting cubes does this MTO take?

                Cuba 2-3 by eye.
          2. 77bor1973
            77bor1973 19 May 2013 18: 51 New
            +3
            My friend, you forgot to mention how much the high-voltage chamber and a bunch of auxiliary machines weigh, for example, the CME-3 locomotive weighs 130 tons, the traction generator is about 7 tons, and the electric motor is about 2 tons.
            1. black_eagle
              black_eagle 19 May 2013 22: 10 New
              0
              Is an AC or DC electric motor standing on a diesel locomotive?
        2. black_eagle
          black_eagle 19 May 2013 22: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          a major advantage - the ability to remote control

          Remote control is not fiction now, in principle, you can work out and put a set of servos on any vehicle, and at least control it via satellite from anywhere in the world. A serious advantage is the huge torque of electric motors compared to diesel engines, and especially gasoline
        3. Interface
          Interface 19 May 2013 22: 51 New
          +1
          Minesweeper, but how will the Ukrainian army, which does not have a satellite constellation in orbit (unlike the Russian Federation, the USA, and the PRC), manage, say, a hundred of such vehicles? By phone?)
      2. common man
        common man 19 May 2013 15: 46 New
        +6
        Electric transmission is most effective on multi-axle chassis, provided that all axles are leading. There is no need for numerous driveshafts, boxes, razdatki, final drives. The average efficiency of one cardan is 0,98, a gear pair is 0,96, a bearing is 0,99, and a torque converter is 0,9. And all this in total is multiplied. More axes, more elements, less efficiency. Ten cardans already give an efficiency of 0,81.
        1. black_eagle
          black_eagle 19 May 2013 22: 13 New
          +1
          Electric transmission is effective in any performance not only among heavyweights, especially in a heap with modern chips like accumulative flywheels, energy recovery during braking, etc.
    4. Fofan
      Fofan 19 May 2013 11: 09 New
      +3
      looks good. I think electric transmission has a past. Germans successfully used it on elephants and some other samples.
    5. Atlon
      Atlon 19 May 2013 11: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: Canep
      Looks good. I think electric transmission has a future.

      Actually, it's high time ...

      Quote: Canep
      It is now successfully used on mining dump trucks (BELAZ 7513),

      Used from the very beginning

      Quote: Canep
      diesel locomotives (all modern)

      They ALWAYS were with an electric transmission

      Electric transmission is a definite plus:
      1. Simplification of the chassis
      2. Lightweight platform
      3. Protection of the engine and chassis (theoretically, if on each wheel by an electric motor, the car will ride on one).
      4. The absence (which means high reliability) of differentials, demultiplier, cardan gears, and gearbox (when using stepper motors).
      5. The possibility of completing such machines (in the future) with other, more modern power plants.
      6. Profitability. Due to a significant reduction in weight and the absence of losses in a mechanical transmission.
      7. Increased survivability and increased resource.
      8. More simple repair and maintenance, including in the field.
      9. Saving internal volume, and as a result a more convenient layout.
      1. Canep
        Canep 19 May 2013 12: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Atlon
        They ALWAYS were with an electric transmission

        There were some diesel locomotives with hydraulic transmission and are still in operation today. TG102:

        TGM-3

        And diesel trains have hydraulic transmission.
        And Belaz-540 with a hydromechanical automatic machine.
      2. 77bor1973
        77bor1973 19 May 2013 19: 20 New
        0
        In the field, all the pros can turn into cons.
        1. svp67
          svp67 19 May 2013 22: 11 New
          0
          Quote: 77bor1973
          In the field, all the pros can turn into cons.

          And in electric transmission, this process will be called "short circuit"
        2. black_eagle
          black_eagle 19 May 2013 22: 16 New
          0
          Well, we always had enough skeptics))))))))))))) As pilot Alexander Molodchiy said when they suggested increasing the bomb load by half a ton: “What will happen if the plane has one engine?” “As always, explosion! And the chatterbox of the tongue as it never happened "))))))))))))))))))))
    6. anton107798
      anton107798 19 May 2013 12: 29 New
      +8
      together with the specialists of the Department of "Wheeled and tracked vehicles" NTU "KhPI"
      [/ Quote]

      I was at this institute, production can be easily established there, both foundry and mechanics. electrician ... why not! And this is not a research institute, but the sites are powerful of course. I was directly at the foundry where experimental block-crankcases are poured, for the protection of diplomas and for experiments. Good institute, powerful!
      1. anton107798
        anton107798 19 May 2013 15: 28 New
        +4
        Please put a minus, so write why, otherwise the thought arises that those who minus the stupid rams who come here only to put a minus.
    7. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 19 May 2013 13: 48 New
      +1
      Funny people are sitting) But seriously, the electrical mechanisms on which the movement of military equipment depends, which are located exactly where the mines are being blown up, cast doubt on the advisability of such a solution.
      1. Canep
        Canep 19 May 2013 14: 07 New
        +1
        This arrangement was most likely chosen in order to save the landing party from being blown up by a mine and shells getting into the forehead. That's why the little men are funny, and they can escape quickly through the back doors. smile
    8. Aristarch
      Aristarch 19 May 2013 20: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Canep
      I think electric transmission has a future. It is now successfully used on mining dump trucks (BELAZ 7513), diesel locomotives (all modern), and some tractors (DET-250).


      All of the above you have been using for at least 30 years already.
  2. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 19 May 2013 07: 32 New
    +8
    I would not like to sit on the fuel tanks as the landing of this "multiVENA". belay And what about the reservation that they did not write? Defense class, mine action, etc. d. request
    1. Canep
      Canep 19 May 2013 07: 38 New
      +2
      In BMP-1 (and 2), the landing also sits next to the fuel tanks (back and doors).
      1. Krapovy32
        Krapovy32 19 May 2013 07: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        In BMP-1 (and 2), the landing also sits next to the fuel tanks (back and doors).



        I don’t know lol I mean that it’s time to create equipment taking into account possible risks and methods of counteracting them. My opinion is that by booking it is not better than our BTR 80. That's why I want to know what's new in the protection of this unit.
        1. Canep
          Canep 19 May 2013 08: 02 New
          0
          Rather, in terms of protection, this machine will be commensurate with the BTR-80. It’s difficult to judge, neither the weight nor the engine power is indicated by which one could even indirectly judge the thickness of the armor.
      2. bask
        bask 19 May 2013 09: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: Canep
        In BMP-1 (and 2), the landing also sits next to the fuel tanks (back and doors).

        This is a development of 50-60 years.
        Not where the electric transmission was not applied, really on military equipment ((serial armored vehicles.))).
        If it were all so simple amers, Japs, the Chinese would have set up long ago.
        1. PN
          PN 19 May 2013 11: 02 New
          +6
          Everything is correct. Because serial (mass) equipment should be as possible: simple, reliable, not expensive. And besides, I would like to know what it is, a tribute to the fashion of electric transmission or a clear engineering calculation? Take at least the fact that the transfer of energy from one type to another does not go without loss. But the electric transmission has one big plus - the frantic torque from the bottom.
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 20 May 2013 09: 53 New
            0
            Quote: PN
            Take at least the fact that the transfer of energy from one type to another does not go without loss

            By itself. But in a mechanical drive losses are much greater!

            Quote: bask
            Not where the electric transmission was not applied, really on military equipment ((serial armored vehicles.))).

            I think this is because technology followed the path of improving and developing the original schemes. An electric drive is a completely different concept that needs to be developed from scratch. No one can afford to quit the production of old weapons, and wait until a new one is born. Questions of purely conservative thinking.

            Quote: PN
            Because serial (mass) equipment should be as possible: simple, reliable, not expensive.

            Electric transmission is simpler and more reliable than mechanical. In the event of a failure of a drive shaft, how long does it take to repair? And in case of wire break (interruption)? In addition, the failure of the gearbox immobilizes the entire car, and the failure of even half of the electric motors does not turn the car into a convenient target.
        2. Canep
          Canep 19 May 2013 13: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: bask
          If it were all so simple amers, Japs, the Chinese would have set up long ago.

          If we had reasoned like this, we would not be the first to fly into space. In practice, this is entirely possible. It is only necessary to develop an engine and generator specifically for this machine based on the most modern achievements in this area. What if it turns out.
    2. avt
      avt 19 May 2013 09: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: Speckled32
      And what about the reservation that they did not write? Defense class, mine action, etc. d.

      This is the same layout. request There wasn’t even any armor nearby. And judging by the absence of a photograph, it can be assumed that there is not even wooden - a conceptual design request on paper . But can anyone post a photo? Campaign ukrotvet Prokhorov-on e-mobile answered e conveyor. laughing
  3. Fokx
    Fokx 19 May 2013 07: 47 New
    +5
    again old mistakes - the landing cannot shoot on the move out of the car and sits with its back to the sides, which is fraught with a mine explosion!
  4. Mikado
    Mikado 19 May 2013 07: 58 New
    +6
    the faces are so happy, especially with the driver, it’s immediately obvious that he enjoys working on such an aggregate
    1. Orchestrarant
      Orchestrarant 19 May 2013 10: 21 New
      +2
      Their smiley faces also amused me! laughing
  5. horoh
    horoh 19 May 2013 07: 59 New
    0
    In terms of armament, everything is clear, but what kind of electric transmission and what its characteristics are, it is very interesting. winked
    1. tegezen
      tegezen 19 May 2013 09: 46 New
      +4
      Like an E-mobile. E-BMP is shorter.
      1. Fofan
        Fofan 19 May 2013 11: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: tegezen
        Like an E-mobile. E-BMP is shorter.

        Yeah, the same file
  6. ruslan7608
    ruslan7608 19 May 2013 08: 14 New
    +2
    They spoke well with the weapons, even showed them in the picture. But what do they do with the defense, what is the armor, what are the mine protection, and taking into account the fact that they indicated that the combat module can be used on the basis of the armored personnel carrier, they seem to have invented nothing new. They will simply change the towers of old cars, with new ones and that’s all.
  7. fatty
    fatty 19 May 2013 08: 17 New
    0
    no matter what the Ukrainian companies argue, it won’t go beyond the demonstration model. savages prefer Russian, but nothing to themselves, all the loot was sawn five years ahead.
  8. erased
    erased 19 May 2013 08: 56 New
    +2
    I don’t know what this thing is, but the question is different. Does Okraina have the right to use a PKT machine gun and a 2A72 cannon? After all, this is a Russian weapon. Did Outskirts receive a production license?
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 19 May 2013 09: 36 New
      +3
      Ukraine has the right to use the gun if it buys it in Russia; permission is needed only for sale to third countries, but this is not necessary if the gun is bought by the end user and will assign it to Ukrainian manufacturers with a separate contract.
  9. svp67
    svp67 19 May 2013 09: 18 New
    +2
    I think that during the demolition tests of the designers of this machine, there will be a great disappointment ...
  10. ATATA
    ATATA 19 May 2013 09: 27 New
    +3
    I would like to see running layout photo, not 3D drawings with androids.
    If it is created of course.
    Yes, and more TTX would not hurt.
    Diesel power, weight of the entire platform, its dimensions.
    The seats in the figure at the landing are not conventional, the bottom is not V-shaped.
    There is nothing on the D-80 diesel in the network. Is he secret or what?
  11. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 19 May 2013 09: 32 New
    +9
    Well done guys Ukrainians. Glad for them.
    1. fear32
      fear32 19 May 2013 09: 52 New
      +8
      And here is a review of the true fraternal people. In Ukraine, too, many people sincerely rejoice in the achievements of Russia.
  12. common man
    common man 19 May 2013 09: 34 New
    +3
    Read the title of the article. The main thing here is working out the electric transmission. Everything else is secondary. Yes, also the D-80 engine. A quick search on the net did not clarify what kind of beast it was. And such developments have a future.
  13. Algor73
    Algor73 19 May 2013 09: 35 New
    +7
    It’s good that they developed, it’s bad that it’s not for oneself. This is the first. Secondly, not the Outskirts, but Ukraine. Still, the state must be respected, if you like it, or you can slide into hysterical (psychic) ​​screams. And thirdly, it is a platform for a foreign customer. I doubt that there, besides the concept itself, will be something else Ukrainian.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 19 May 2013 09: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Algor73
      I doubt that there, besides the concept itself, will be something else Ukrainian.

      It is good that Ukraine can still create concepts.
      Although I doubt it. Nothing outstanding can be seen in this concept.
      Electrotransmission ??? But before you judge her, you need to look at RUNNING at least a layout.
    2. Tan4ik
      Tan4ik 19 May 2013 14: 28 New
      +4
      Yes, we are Slav brothers, especially since almost everyone has someone in Ukraine) I always wanted to go there to distant relatives. And about the duck news, it’s really good, that would connect all the Slavic countries and everything, NATO’s heart)
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        1. commentor
          commentor 19 May 2013 11: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: fear32
          Yes, Russia took upon itself all the external debts of the USSR, but do not forget that all the property of the Union abroad went to you as well.


          http://lenta.ru/news/2010/05/24/yanukovich/
          http://lenta.ru/news/2011/02/01/property/
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 19 May 2013 13: 10 New
          +6
          Quote: fear32
          Union property abroad also went to you

          Interestingly, can Ukraine be considered "Union property abroad"? what

          And according to the concept itself, it’s interesting whether the floating (according to the sketch) armored car took into account the protection of electrical equipment from moisture? The seals very quickly ruin off-road ... And from an electromagnetic pulse in the explosion of nuclear weapons? According to the scheme - fundamentally nothing particularly new. In terms of the practical implementation of issues a lot will come out.

          You can also throw the idea of ​​a backup source of energy. Pedal generator in the troop compartment. If you twist everything together - you can go
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 19 May 2013 13: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: Misantrop
            Interestingly, can Ukraine be considered "Union property abroad"?
            good
      2. Roll
        Roll 19 May 2013 10: 55 New
        -1
        request Debts and patent law are two different things. Yes, Russia paid its debts, but in return it received foreign property. But patent law is a complicated thing and you need to look in each case, then in the USSR copyright was also applied, and this is generally a dark forest.
        1. commentor
          commentor 19 May 2013 11: 44 New
          +3
          Foreign property did not cover debts even by 5%.
          As for patent law, it’s a complicated thing, yes. There is a complete mess with the intellectual property of the USSR, and no one argues with this. The problem is that Russia wants to understand and solve these issues, and Ukraine refuses to even discuss it, realizing what the result will be.
      3. Roll
        Roll 19 May 2013 10: 59 New
        +2
        request And the Soviet people spoke and spoke both Russian (national) and their native. In the USSR, native languages ​​were not oppressed, unlike fascist Germany.
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      1. commentor
        commentor 19 May 2013 10: 29 New
        +3
        You're not right. You need to study the origins of our peoples. Read about Kievan Rus, for example.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 19 May 2013 11: 24 New
          +6
          Quote: commentor
          You're not right. You need to study the origins of our peoples. Read about Kievan Rus, for example.

          I know Kievan Rus, and a chimera called Ukraine, the brainchild of the Austrian General Staff.
          And by the way, the first set of laws in Kievan Rus was called "Ruska Pravda"
          And then the Russians say they are the Finno-Finns who stole the name from the true Russians (now UKRA)! Or maybe the other way around ?! UKRA stole land from the Russians and is it time to take it home?
          By the way, it is consonant with steal / UKRA.
          Quote: commentor
          I will answer only about the debts of the USSR. Yes, Russia took upon itself all the external debts of the USSR, but do not forget that all the property of the Union abroad went to you as well. And much more...

          And what kind of property? Real estate deep missions, military bases, we did not trade this in order to close our debts. This is not a liquid asset.
          And what else?

          Quote: fear32
          Or apart from verbal diarrhea about the fat and terminology of Stalin are you not capable of more?

          Quote: fear32
          I’m not interested in answering the rest of the heresy that you wrote.

          2/3 of your post is heresy and diarrhea.
          Better not annoy me, I can’t look at your independent circus without tears and I can’t think. Mockery of people with soldering brains with a soldering iron right on the knee of young animals.
    3. commentor
      commentor 19 May 2013 10: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: fear32
      This machine gun and cannon were created in the USSR and, consequently, the state successors of the USSR can use the rights to these weapons. Or, following your tight logic, can you call the T-34 not a Soviet but a Ukrainian tank, created at one time in Kharkov?


      Ukraine has now become the assignee of the USSR? Did you make any commitments?
      Maybe then Ukraine will share responsibility for the repression, for example, for the fictional famine? Let's share the burden of debt. If Russia is obliged to pay for the "occupation" of certain countries, then fraternal Ukraine will again fit in, it is also the assignee.

      Or does Ukraine have only consumer succession?
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 19 May 2013 11: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: commentor
        Or does Ukraine have only consumer succession?

        This is Hutsul succession. Where it is profitable to accept, where not WE ARE THE SELF-STATE COUNTRY!
        You "+" good
  15. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 19 May 2013 09: 53 New
    +3
    The car is interesting. Details would be TTX. The location of the tanks raises questions.
  16. My address
    My address 19 May 2013 10: 46 New
    +3
    We took a picture of the 80-th BTR, drew it and wrote what came to mind. This is not even advertising as well, about anything. Dreams of the future.
    Ukrainian engineering in failure. Even bridge cranes are scary to buy from them - the assembly is disgusting, the quality of the metal is nowhere.
    For Ukrainophiles, I'm sorry, but you are rolling into the abyss. I repeat - for me it is like paralysis of a good former neighbor after he moved to another area.
  17. abstract
    abstract 19 May 2013 10: 57 New
    +1
    the armament block can be strengthened with an easel grenade launcher, well, the landing should be turned towards the loopholes;
  18. Fofan
    Fofan 19 May 2013 11: 04 New
    +4
    But the crew is happy and smiling, but is the landing party so sad?
    1. abstract
      abstract 19 May 2013 11: 12 New
      +4
      refused to allow laughing
    2. itkul
      itkul 19 May 2013 11: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Fofan
      But the crew is happy and smiling, but is the landing party so sad?


      And you would be glad if you were riding on a barrel with diesel fuel. Although this may be such an ejection device, in the understanding of Ukrainians
  19. Roll
    Roll 19 May 2013 11: 05 New
    +1
    In general, the location of the fuel tanks is not so stupid, a mine blast falls on the first wheels, if it is diesel, then it is acceptable, besides, the tanks can be strengthened with additional armor, and the wheels are covered. Yes, and I also wanted to add, this is only soldiers in the picture they’re sitting on the gas tank, and in life 6 paratroopers will be on the armor and 4 as in the picture.
  20. Genady1976
    Genady1976 19 May 2013 11: 32 New
    +4
    The mice will gobble up the wiring and come winked
    1. abstract
      abstract 19 May 2013 11: 36 New
      10
      Included in the armored personnel carrier will be 20 Chinese mousetraps))
  21. Suhov
    Suhov 19 May 2013 13: 15 New
    +3
    BMP - good! Are helicopters better?
    what
    Has anyone compared the cost of solving standard problems using BMPs and turntables?
    Such as:
    - destruction of the tank column,
    - transfer of personnel
    - the pursuit of bandits,
    - "dismantling" of buildings in which bandits take refuge
    - etc. etc.?
    wassat
    1. Sun-faced
      Sun-faced 19 May 2013 14: 14 New
      -6
      Quote: Sukhov
      - destruction of the tank column,

      Ka-52 is still forbidden to shoot ATGMs due to the raw avionics.
      Quote: Sukhov
      troop transfer

      This is the task of transport helicopters. There was a Mi-24, only he had no tasks. With the concept of flying BMP crap one's pants, therefore, and used them as drums.
      Quote: Sukhov
      - the pursuit of bandits

      Unusual for the military task. It’s more likely to VV.
      Quote: Sukhov
      - "dismantling" of buildings in which bandits take refuge

      In a large development?
      1. Canep
        Canep 19 May 2013 14: 18 New
        +1
        Hello to the Sun wink
      2. Melchakov
        Melchakov 19 May 2013 14: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Sun-faced
        Ka-52 is still forbidden to shoot ATGM

        Come on?! belay
        1. Sun-faced
          Sun-faced 19 May 2013 14: 29 New
          -7
          There is no evidence of a Ka-52 firing ATGMs on the network. Yes, he can’t move a gun either. And the crossbow on the cars in torzhok is not there either.
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 May 2013 14: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: Sun-faced
        Ka-52 is still forbidden to shoot ATGMs due to the raw avionics.

        Which ones?

        Quote: Sun-faced
        This is the task of transport helicopters. There was a Mi-24, only he had no tasks. With the concept of flying BMP crap one's pants, therefore, and used them as drums.

        They didn’t crap one’s idea, they leaked the idea. Thanks Misha


        Quote: Sun-faced
        In a large development?

        And what does it interfere with?
  22. abstract
    abstract 19 May 2013 13: 42 New
    +4
    BMP tasks and turntables are slightly different (
    1. Sun-faced
      Sun-faced 19 May 2013 14: 20 New
      -19
      But the cross between the BMP and the turntable (or Mi-24) has no problems AT ALL! That the truth doesn’t stop using it all over the world as SHOCK helicopter. True, he does this poorly.
  23. EDW
    EDW 19 May 2013 14: 30 New
    +5
    Although this is an invention of the y-bike, but in general, the idea is good, an article plus.

    However, damn it, why almost all of the current development is just a re-arrangement of existing components and assemblies ?! (This is me about the power plant - a diesel generator). It turns out that compactness, unpretentiousness and maximum efficiency are required from the installation, and here a cumbersome solution is used for large-tonnage equipment - Belazov and diesel locomotives, this is no good.

    There are also developments, there are patents for twice as compact generators combined with an internal combustion engine. Briefly, in the ceramic cylinder block around the moving pistons, windings are built to generate electricity. And that’s all! The reciprocating movement of the pistons with magnetic elements gives electricity without any intermediate transformations, transmissions, gearboxes, friction losses. And the windings from increased revolutions will not get enough sleep and the heat from the motor can be removed normally (copper, especially if you let coolant inside the windings).
    And here some project of a mobile power station of the middle of the last century is direct, but it’s armored. And landing the backs to the sides of the stupid.
  24. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 19 May 2013 14: 30 New
    +5
    Quote: Sun-faced
    But the cross between the BMP and the turntable (or Mi-24) has no problems AT ALL! That the truth doesn’t stop using it all over the world as SHOCK helicopter. True, he does this poorly.

    What are you ?! Belens overeating ?! I didn’t think that everything is so bad with you, contact a specialist.
  25. Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 May 2013 14: 43 New
    +3
    They had to come to electric transmission for a long time. This same machine can be arranged as you like. The Americans were going to use motor wheels, they did smarter here
  26. nod739
    nod739 19 May 2013 14: 44 New
    +5
    ShturmKGB
    Funny people are sitting) But seriously, the electrical mechanisms on which the movement of military equipment depends, which are located exactly where the mines are being blown up, cast doubt on the advisability of such a solution.


    just the most important plus - complete independence, the detonation of mines - tore off the wheel, the rest are spinning.
    and on a mechanical one it’s not always the case, if the transmission is damaged, the cardan, or the bridge or gearbox, then the wheels associated with it will stand up ...

    the main minus is the rise in price due to electric motors, a generator, equipment, etc. the main plus is a more rational distribution of power and a decrease in dynamic loads on the diesel engine, and as a result a longer resource, reclamation of electric energy during braking, oil saving on all gearboxes / boxes, reduction in the number of rotating pieces of iron, and energy costs for their unwinding, reduction of friction, and general efficiency improvements ... at least on heavy mining equipment so
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 19 May 2013 19: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: nod739
      braking energy recovery
      How, by reverse exhaust exhaust to diesel fuel? belay wassat
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 May 2013 19: 38 New
        +2
        Through the battery. It is expensive. Alternatively, through the flywheel. But nobody seemed to put it in cars yet
        1. svp67
          svp67 19 May 2013 19: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Through the battery. It is expensive. Alternatively, through the flywheel. But nobody seemed to put it in cars yet
          flywheel - will allow "accumulating energy" for a very short time, and using a flywheel is not a very reasonable option in the proposed scheme - what will it spin? Separate electric motor / generator or make a separate drive from the engine? It's easier, after all, with such a function, a motor-generator, to "teach" a pair of electric motors on one of the axes - except for the first ...
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 May 2013 20: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            flywheel - will allow you to "accumulate energy" for a very short time

            But it’s cheaper than the battery. I heard about diesel loaders with flywheels that turn on while they are inside the ship. So it's long enough.
            On the other hand, if this thing is destroyed, there are huge problems.

            In the proposed scheme, it is generally better not to bother with recovery. All this will only increase the cost.

            The engine is supposed to work optimally and so, which will save fuel. However, here I am not sure. Probably all the same, without running batteries, it will work as usual.

            Quote: svp67
            It's easier, after all, with such a function, a motor-generator, to "teach" a pair of electric motors on one of the axes - except for the first ...

            Redistribute energy between engines?
            1. svp67
              svp67 19 May 2013 20: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Redistribute energy between engines?

              -Charge the battery
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 19 May 2013 20: 56 New
                +2
                Which one? The fact of the matter is that the running battery is a heavy and expensive thing. And ordinary starters do not need to be recharged much. The main generator will quite cope with this.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 19 May 2013 21: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Which one? The fact of the matter is that the running battery is a heavy and expensive thing. And ordinary starters do not need to be recharged much. The main generator will quite cope with this.

                  Judging by the abundance of electric consumers, the load on the generator will be large and partially, in difficult moments it will be "extinguished" due to the capacity of the battery, so that the battery there will probably not only be "starter".
                  Although the further I disassemble this scheme, the more I am convinced that its simplicity is only visibility ...
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 19 May 2013 21: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: svp67
                    Although the further I disassemble this scheme, the more I am convinced that its simplicity is only visibility ...

                    It seems so to me too
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 May 2013 00: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Alternatively, through the flywheel. But nobody seemed to put it in cars yet

          And if you use a tower as a flywheel? It is quite heavy and uninhabited what lol
  27. svp67
    svp67 19 May 2013 15: 21 New
    +4
    And so, in the opinion of “Courage”, our promising Bomerang armored personnel carrier looks like something very similar, including the device, with what the Ukrainians are offering ...
  28. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 19 May 2013 15: 40 New
    +2
    Ukraine is reborn, well, of course, only in my opinion it is in the wrong direction, it would be better to establish relations with Russia than to rivet tanks.
    1. Sun-faced
      Sun-faced 19 May 2013 17: 00 New
      -7
      Better to rivet those who have no analogues in the garage. You can even laugh at them.
      1. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 19 May 2013 20: 06 New
        -4
        Unmatched rivets UVZ - which is not a product, no longer has analogues))) In Ukraine, they will quietly rivet quite normal "analogues"
  29. uzer 13
    uzer 13 19 May 2013 16: 42 New
    +2
    Technical experts have correctly noted that the electric drive in the transmission is advantageous to use on heavy machines. This can significantly simplify the transmission scheme and reduce mechanical power losses. Moreover, such transmissions have already been created and are widely used in production. There are no obstacles to their use in military equipment .If you take up the matter wisely, you can at the same time solve the accompanying tasks - increase the power supply of the combat vehicle, reduce the center of gravity, apply a more rational layout, etc.
  30. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 19 May 2013 17: 16 New
    +4
    Share your smile
    And she will come back to you more than once ... laughing
  31. roial
    19 May 2013 17: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    And so, in the opinion of “Courage”, our promising Bomerang armored personnel carrier looks like something very similar, including the device, with what the Ukrainians are offering ...

    That's exactly what they think. And in real life, is there at least a mock-up or only a business project for cutting dough ???
    And not from here they copied it?
    BTR-4MV


    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 May 2013 17: 25 New
      0
      What is likely called "Horror" in your photos

      And the Bumerang armored personnel carrier is more likely to be copied from the Scandinavian and German models.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 19 May 2013 18: 41 New
        0
        Specifically, what is the "Horror"?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 May 2013 18: 53 New
          +1
          In everything. What is the meaning of remaking the nose of the car? Will she look like a competing polka now? Is that from afar.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 19 May 2013 20: 10 New
            0
            Arguably explained laughing
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 19 May 2013 20: 14 New
              0
              I wish someone explained to me the need for such an alteration, I would be happy.
              1. svp67
                svp67 19 May 2013 20: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                I wish someone explained to me the need for such an alteration, I would be happy.

                Thinking, here the main question is to increase the armor resistance of the bow of the hull, and perhaps the BTR4 had problems with the "rigidity" of the hull. I would really like to read, or at least see the test results for the undermining of the BTR4
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 19 May 2013 20: 28 New
                  0
                  Why undermine it? Initially, no such requirements were made to him. In theory, the limit grenade under the bottom.

                  Yes, his "face" is somewhat archaic for a modern car, but why make it up under "Patria" or "Boxer" - it will not work. On the old installed extra. a protection kit, I think that was enough.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 19 May 2013 20: 35 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    Why undermine it?
                    That is, you think that where the armored car will drive, the opposing side will not install minefields? What is not a typical opponent.

                    Quote: Spade
                    In theory, the limit grenade under the bottom.

                    That is, do you think that throwing a grenade under the bottom is easier or safer than setting a mine in the path of movement?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 19 May 2013 20: 52 New
                      0
                      Quote: svp67
                      That is, you think that where the armored car will drive, the opposing side will not install minefields? What is not a typical opponent.

                      This is an armored personnel carrier. His whole task is to bring infantry to the battlefield, providing protection from fragments and various types of light infantry reconnaissance and sabotage groups. There will be a bunch of cars, a company column of at least 9 armored personnel carriers. And sappers must protect the column from mines.
                      Need a patrol with protection against explosions, buy. It just will be more expensive. But they need less.
                      Need a machine that will operate on the battlefield, buy an infantry fighting vehicle. Which will also be more expensive.

                      You should not demand from the APC what it is not intended to do. This is a regular truck.

                      Quote: svp67
                      That is, do you think that throwing a grenade under the bottom is easier or safer than setting a mine in the path of movement?

                      It's just that the old standard, as far as I remember, is still Soviet.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 19 May 2013 21: 00 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        You should not demand from the APC what it is not intended to do. This is a regular truck.

                        Not ordinary, but armored. And the destination that you indicate is more suitable for BTR152, BTR60. But such a machine, with an automatic gun and ATGMs, is already designed to solve more serious problems ...
                        And for that matter, the “Tigers” and “Lynxes” are generally armored cars, but undermining tests were the stumbling block due to which, for a while, “Lynxes” were more preferable until this indicator on the “Tiger” was brought into line. ..
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 19 May 2013 21: 16 New
                        -2
                        Quote: svp67
                        But such a machine, with an automatic gun and ATGMs, is already designed to solve more serious problems ...

                        And personally, I consider these "bells and whistles" superfluous.
                        BMP needed - buy a normal tracked vehicle. And then it will be like with the Italians in Iraq when their wheeled tanks were stuck on the streets of Nasiriya for 6 hours.
  32. svp67
    svp67 19 May 2013 17: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: roial
    That's exactly what they think. And in real life, is there at least a mock-up or only a business project for cutting dough ???
    And didn’t they copy him from here? BTR-4MV


    I think that most likely with this Stryker MGS
  33. svp67
    svp67 19 May 2013 17: 37 New
    +1
    or from this Centauro wheeled tank and Freccio infantry fighting vehicle
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 May 2013 17: 43 New
      +2
      Rather AMV with a tower that looks like an octopus
  34. svp67
    svp67 19 May 2013 17: 40 New
    +1
    And all this taken together suggests that of the existing sets of development directions for wheeled armored personnel carriers, this is currently considered the most promising ...
  35. svp67
    svp67 19 May 2013 18: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: roial
    That's exactly what they think. But in real life, is there at least a mock-up or just a business project for cutting dough ??? And was it not from here that they copied it? BTR-4MV


    And do not tell me how many BTR-4, not even the "MV" is in service with the UNA?
  • Fidain
    Fidain 19 May 2013 17: 17 New
    +1
    Rad za Ukraincov, tak derzhat.Nadeyus tolko ne prosto budut delat novie BTRi a delat kachestveno ...
  • roial
    19 May 2013 17: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    What is likely called "Horror" in your photos

    And the Bumerang armored personnel carrier is more likely to be copied from the Scandinavian and German models.


    Laughing for a long time. Even nashol pictures
    Quote: Spade

    Scandinavian and German designs

    It seems ... only you need to modify a little file.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 May 2013 17: 48 New
      0
      So nowhere to go. Machines with a similar layout and with the initial requirement of the ability to install additional. Reservations will look very similar.
      However, this image is not even a mockup from the breeders, it is the pure fruits of the artist’s imagination with “Courage”
  • waisson
    waisson 19 May 2013 19: 11 New
    0
    Of course I’m glad for the Ukrainian brothers because they are looking for their extraordinary ideas; we have little to regret them, but I have a number of questions about how much it is maneuverable in battle in battle, because a tractor
    1. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 19 May 2013 20: 11 New
      +2
      in the interests of the foreign company ADCOM Military Industries was developed

      And their motorized rifles will drive on the proven immortal BTR-80 until they rot)))
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 19 May 2013 19: 30 New
    0
    And all this disgrace is probably well protected from an electromagnetic impulse when nuclear weapons are undermined?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 May 2013 19: 34 New
      +3
      Why not? I do not think that this disgrace is more vulnerable than various kinds of communication equipment, radar, etc.
  • shurup
    shurup 19 May 2013 20: 18 New
    +2
    It remains to develop a hybrid tank, where the batteries will simultaneously be elements of mounted active armor. And it’s convenient to change.
    1. svp67
      svp67 19 May 2013 20: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: shurup
      It remains to develop a hybrid tank, where the batteries will simultaneously be elements of mounted active armor. And it’s convenient to change.
      Then not the battery, but capacitors, and protection against theft and enemy infantry could be developed on the basis of this lol
      1. shurup
        shurup 20 May 2013 00: 14 New
        0
        Between the tank and the grenade launcher after the last shot a channel is formed for the discharge of capacitors.
        The grenade launcher receives a painless electric shock. In the sense that he does not have time to feel the pain.
        All this refers to the so-called. non-traditional solutions, which I did not see in the presented development.
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 19 May 2013 20: 22 New
    +5
    Very much Ukrainian comrades became interested in the electromechanical transmission on the BTT. Not so long ago, the concept of MBT T-100-140 was discussed. An interesting concept I must say, though not without flaws ...
    This APC (or wheeled infantry fighting vehicle, as you please) is also not uninteresting in my opinion. But to “wash the bones” and “pay tribute” to this wheeled concept is hindered by the extremely scarce information provided in the material ...

    Quote: bask
    The Caterpillar D9 bulldozer was developed in 1954. It has been constantly upgraded. Modifications: D9E, D9G, D9H, D9L, D9N, TTX D9

    As far as I am aware (if I am mistaken, then correct), imported heavy industrial tractors use a hydrostatic transmission. Electromechanical transmission is used only on our domestic
    Quote: Canep
    tractors (DET-250)

    And also on DET-320, DET-350, DET-400 (for now this is a complete list of diesel-electric tractors). All of them are produced at ChTZ ...

    DET-250 at work. Why not a tank! .. wink
    1. Aristarch
      Aristarch 19 May 2013 21: 19 New
      +6
      .... produced at ChTZ. "At the legendary factory in the Soviet era, the giant - ChTZ. Oh, there is no former power, and unfortunately the demand is not the same, and the military uniform is not produced at all except engines. Honor and praise to the designers, engineers, workers, those who created such equipment. My grandfather worked as a designer at that factory, in a closed design bureau, this is his brainchild. Grandfather, I remember you and tell your great-grandchildren everything.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 19 May 2013 22: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Aristarchus
        My grandfather worked as a designer at that factory, in a closed design bureau, this is his brainchild.

        Aristarchus, your grandfather bow deeply for death! Great car! My father worked for him in Norilsk ... And he let me steer when he took me to work with him. So I don’t know about DET-250 by hearsay ...
        I actually remember him like that ...
        1. Aristarch
          Aristarch 19 May 2013 22: 17 New
          +3
          Thanks for the kind words. When I was 12 years old, he talked a lot about his work, said that DET would be very popular, that they could feed a small village, that it was a unique car. About automation of the fuel system of engines for tanks, that the engine will work in any conditions, about gas turbine installations, in general, a lot of things. It is a pity that this remains only in memory, before the release was dozens per shift, and now it is units per month. No demand.
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 20 May 2013 00: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Aristarchus
            He talked a lot about his work, said that the det would be very popular, that this is a unique machine.

            I think, I hope that DET will be still in demand. This is a truly unique and necessary machine ...

            “Heir in a straight line” - DET-320
        2. bask
          bask 19 May 2013 23: 29 New
          +3
          Quote: Chicot 1
          Aristarchus, your grandfather bow deeply for death! Great car! M

          No one argues. You just need to make a military version (DET).
          Dump for more. Separate reservation and mine reservation.
          ""
          Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant plans to launch production of armored bulldozers for the needs of the Russian army. Some experts believe that this is a myth, while others, on the contrary, are confident in the new ChTZ product.
          “When viewing the exhibition of civilian products, ChTZ announced that the terms of reference for the development of an armored tractor similar to CAT D9 had been developed and approved by the plant and the engineering troops. They stated that the T-75.01 (T-800) bulldozer-ripping aggregate will be used as the base, ”the blogger claims.
          The T-800 is the largest industrial crawler tractor of the traction class 75 in the ChTZ line with bulldozer and cultivating equipment with a working weight of 106 tons, of which 29,5 tons are equipment. According to the official website of ChTZ, the T-800 is "the largest heavy bulldozer out of the entire continent."
          It is also worth noting that there are no reports of the planned release of the new armored tractor either on the website of the envoy, or on the website of the governor of the Chelyabinsk region, or on the website of the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant. The press service of ChTZ also did not confirm the information. "" "
          [img] ktualno.ru/view/chelyabinsk/economy/6890?print [/ img]

          This is the same thing, I suggested in my comment in the morning. Thoughts agreed.
          BLOGERS PLAN TO ISSUE, AND FACTORY AND MO probably this is not necessary.
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 19 May 2013 23: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: bask
            It is only necessary to make a military option (DET)

            As far as I know, DET-250 was used in engineering troops. Naturally, without any reservation and for its intended purpose ...
            In 1990, a modification was introduced designed to work in conditions of increased radioactive contamination - DET-250M3 ...

            DET-250M3
            1. bask
              bask 20 May 2013 00: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: Chicot 1
              hydrostatic transmission.

              I did not write that on the D9 there is an electromechanical transmission.
              Quote: Chicot 1
              As far as I know, the DET-250 was used in engineering troops. Naturally without any reservation and in its own way

              This is the whole point. You only need to book. I don’t know just what the DET-250MZ group is. We are all preparing for a nuclear war.
              But we have been fighting since 1979, to the present day with gangs and terrorists.
              Really in the Moscow Region and the General Staff there was no one who had the idea ((taking into account the Israeli combat experience)) Look like THEIR D9, they famously equate the Palestinians.
              I need my own version of an armored-assault bulbozer. With good reservation, And a bucket is not a 2-meter dump. It is to support infantry during the storming of buildings.
              NOT JUST ENGINEERING BUT AND STORM !!!
              1. Chicot 1
                Chicot 1 20 May 2013 00: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: bask
                I didn’t write that on D9 the electromechanical transmission

                Since it was an electromechanical transmission, and DET-250 was mentioned in your comment, I calculated that you attributed the Katarpillari to such tractors ...
                Quote: bask
                Need your own version of an armored-assault bulbozer. With good booking

                I think DET-400 is quite suitable for this role ... But for this you can use a bulldozer with hydrostatic transmission ... Each of these drives has its own advantages and disadvantages ...
                But such a technique is necessary, and here I agree with you completely and completely ...

                DET-400
                1. bask
                  bask 20 May 2013 00: 42 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Chicot 1
                  I think DET-400 is quite suitable for this role ... But for this you can use a bulldozer with a hydro-volume

                  Honestly, I'm not a specialist in bulldozers.
                  What kind of transmission, electromechanical or with a hydro-volume transmission. ,, I agree, not fundamentally. Let specialists .. engineers decide.
                  Quote: Chicot 1
                  But such a technique is necessary, and here I agree with you completely and completely ...

                  One hundred% good
              2. builder
                builder 20 May 2013 00: 57 New
                +2
                Would that fit?
  • Aristarch
    Aristarch 19 May 2013 21: 07 New
    0
    What is new in it? what is invented? left overs.
  • roial
    19 May 2013 21: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander D.
    And their motorized rifles will drive on the proven immortal BTR-80 until they rot)))


    And what is the point of purchasing sophisticated equipment without a normal repair and technical base? Yes, and 80-current we have enough for 50 years.
    We are not as rich as you are, we have no oil and gas. To overseas "bobby" and "scows" to buy.
    You drive your Iveks for repair over a hill or how ??
    1. Sun-faced
      Sun-faced 19 May 2013 21: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: roial
      Yes, and 80-current we have enough for 50 years.

      70-k. 80-y Urkaini little and everything is in order.
    2. svp67
      svp67 19 May 2013 22: 20 New
      0
      Quote: roial
      You drive your Iveks for repair over a hill or how ??

      Or how ... to change the Tigers, and your army is still armed with UAZs?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 May 2013 22: 30 New
        0
        Yes, it’s better to have an UAZ armored than a Tiger.
        1. bask
          bask 19 May 2013 23: 05 New
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          Quote: Spade
          and better UAZ armored than the Tiger.

          For all my not love for ,, Tiger ,, you probably joked.?
          And speaking of electric transmission.
          The Swedes were the first to introduce SEP on the APC, but not one of the options went into the series.
          Wheel with an electric motor built into the hub.
          SEP6 / 6

          Sep-2
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 May 2013 23: 14 New
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            Quote: bask
            For all my not love for ,, Tiger ,, you probably joked.?

            Well no. BB shniki 30 pcs. armored UAZ are going to buy. Marginal price of 1.6 million. Compare with the "Tiger"
            1. bask
              bask 19 May 2013 23: 46 New
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              Quote: Spade
              but no. BB shniki 30 pcs. armored UAZ are going to buy

              In principle, when compared with SMP-2M, there is no big difference (((except for the price))).
              What UAZ, what ,, Tiger ,,, there is no mine protection.
              A bulletproof booking is the same.
              And where ,, Typhoons ,, for 1 ml .. $$$ or Euro. In general, they probably will not see.
              But where did the composition of 30 Tigers come from ???
      2. Sun-faced
        Sun-faced 19 May 2013 22: 42 New
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        Quote: svp67
        change to Tigers

        Do not give boh. It’s better to tie an armored plate to an ancient UAZ, remembering the Prague uprising, than to buy it.
  • roial
    19 May 2013 21: 54 New
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    Well, those are also adaptable)
  • roial
    19 May 2013 22: 43 New
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    Quote: svp67
    Or how ... to change the Tigers, and your army is still armed with UAZs?

    And what is your “Tiger” from UAZ is very different?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 May 2013 22: 46 New
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      As far as I heard, 5 times more expensive. This refers to armored options. And so nothing.
    2. svp67
      svp67 19 May 2013 22: 48 New
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      And what is your “Tiger” from UAZ is very different?

      OUR "Tiger" differs from OUR UAZ in that the first is a half-armored combat vehicle, and the second is a modified Volga GAZ21
      1. bask
        bask 19 May 2013 22: 56 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Ш "Tiger" from OUR UAZ differs in that the first is a "half-armored combat vehicle", and the second is a modified "Volga" GAZ21

        Today, a whole echelon, proceeded to the south. All ,, Tigers ,, SMP-2M, I counted 30 cars. The aircraft is not explosive, the main thing is not one BTR-80/82
        1. bask
          bask 20 May 2013 00: 21 New
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          Cool. The Turks created a floating bulldozer. AZMİM - armored amphibious vehicle.
          "" The world's first amphibious bulldozer was developed by Turkish military engineers as a result of four years of research and development work. The bulldozer is called AZMİM - Amfibi Zırhlı İstihkam İş Makinesi, that is, an amphibious armored engineering vehicle, "" [media = http: //pro-tank.ru/blog/975-armor
          ed-and-amphibious-army-bulldozer-turkey]
          It happens even!
  • ilya63
    ilya63 20 May 2013 00: 29 New
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    what is being discussed now is deadlock and death, military equipment must firstly be reliable (trouble-free), easy to operate (so that any monkey can use it) and maintainable (preferably in the field), and Mr. Porsche has played enough with an electromechanical transmission " "(Only makes the structure heavier), but the combat module is not bad, but instead of a 1-30 mm gun, a quad motor gun would be installed (firepower would increase and hit accuracy would be improved) in an uninhabited tower, similar to installations on Navy ships