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In the troops stationed in the Amur region, do ACS "Hyacinthe-S"

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In the troops stationed in the Amur region, do ACS "Hyacinthe-S"

Unified in the Amur region, 24 self-propelled artillery set (SAC) "Hyacinth-S" entered the union.


152-millimeter SAU "Hyacinth-S" - long-range self-propelled gun. It is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 33 kilometers.

ACS "Hyacinth-S" has light armor protection, high maneuverability. The hull provides protection from bullets and shrapnel. "Hyacinth" can shoot both from closed positions and direct fire. The gun has a unique muzzle brake, which absorbs more than 50% recoil energy when firing.

The first practical application of the ACS "Giatsint-S" will be held at the exercises in the summer period of study.
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  1. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 17 May 2013 08: 30 New
    15
    Beautiful flower! Especially in the bouquet.
    1. Romn
      Romn 17 May 2013 09: 08 New
      +6
      Better then a whole garden of such flowers! And not only in the Amur region smile
      1. afire
        afire 17 May 2013 09: 43 New
        +4
        yeah, and in the face of such a bouquet to whom the thread laughing
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 17 May 2013 17: 23 New
        0
        I like the names of our gun mounts, and other special equipment. Not all Bird cherry, thrown into the window. laughing
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 17 May 2013 10: 27 New
      +1
      "genocide" is a terrible force!
    3. Joker
      Joker 17 May 2013 17: 36 New
      +2
      I suggest that the T-34 should be sent as well, so that there is a complete bouquet of outdated equipment. am How can IT be delivered to the troops?
      1. kind
        kind 17 May 2013 20: 23 New
        +1
        So I also think so. Junk is presented as an achievement, and in the second half of the last century 2C5 began to be withdrawn to the reserve of the 2nd stage. Apparently there was a complete seam in the prospects of artillery. Although it is possible that there are many shells left for 2C5, it is better to shoot them by training calculations than to uselessly detonate.
        1. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 20 May 2013 15: 00 New
          0
          Or provide them with new SLAs, ammunition and navigation systems.
          Such a thought never occurred ??
  2. svp67
    svp67 17 May 2013 08: 34 New
    +1
    It is interesting to replace what they are doing? And of course, the car is very reliable and already tested ...
    1. tor11121
      tor11121 17 May 2013 08: 59 New
      +6
      three inches. forty years old hyacinths armed.
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 17 May 2013 10: 27 New
        +2
        Such systems now need to be adopted after the modernization of communication and control equipment and not just removed from storage, it is a pity that the article does not say anything about this.
      2. Road runer
        Road runer 17 May 2013 10: 40 New
        +3
        Self-propelled guns are not bad in principle, although inferior in firing range and rate of fire to some modern European models. Time does not stand still! I would like something fundamentally new.
        1. VictoRO
          VictoRO 17 May 2013 12: 29 New
          +2
          I really didn’t think that in Russia they would still enter service. I served in the towed Hyacinths brigade of 84-86 graduation and I am already retired for 13 years and they have been replaced by something more modern.
          1. Scythian 35
            Scythian 35 17 May 2013 13: 03 New
            +1
            What to rejoice !!! The systems are coming into service which, even under the USSR, they sucked and thought to write off along with the “Peonies” !!!
            1. PROXOR
              PROXOR 17 May 2013 13: 20 New
              0
              Quote: Scythian 35
              What to rejoice !!! The systems are coming into service which, even under the USSR, they sucked and thought to write off along with the “Peonies” !!!

              I put a minus to you and explain. The point of developing a different barrel artillery if it is already firmly taking the place where it is not budgetary to hit with high-precision missiles. Geocint is very good. If you wish, after 5 km you can drive a 152mm shell into the window of the house. So why reinvent the wheel.
              1. Scythian 35
                Scythian 35 17 May 2013 15: 18 New
                +4
                And now I will explain to you that you are unlikely to get a Hyacinth in five kilometers, with an ordinary high-explosive fragmentation shell, with a 20-30% guarantee in the yard of six hundred of them, and do not flush such information to someone who has passed the courses of the Scout-corrector of artillery fire. Minus, if you could slap three !!!
                1. PROXOR
                  PROXOR 17 May 2013 15: 51 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Scythian 35
                  And now I will explain to you that you are unlikely to get a Hyacinth in five kilometers, with an ordinary high-explosive fragmentation shell, with a 20-30% guarantee in the yard of six hundred of them, and do not flush such information to someone who has passed the courses of the Scout-corrector of artillery fire. Minus, if you could slap three !!!

                  I speak from the words of the comrade who served this self-propelled guns. If he was beautiful, well. That is his right.
                  Why inclined to believe. The T-72 tank stably gets into a 2 by 2 mesh with a distance of 2,5 km. Geocint with a larger projectile has approximately the same caliber in relation to this tank. The direct aiming system for both systems is similar. Hence, I had no doubt about the accuracy of this art system. Otherwise, I don’t see its feasibility in the presence of a BLU.
                  1. Scythian 35
                    Scythian 35 17 May 2013 16: 29 New
                    +1
                    Sorry, but you confused heh .. with a finger. Another minus !!! Sorry, but you better not have a say on artillery. Explore the topic of probable circular deviation (CVO), everything is very simple, for example, the deviation of the projectile at short distances is 50-100 m. At medium (about 15 km) 200-300 m.

                    with respect.
                    1. PROXOR
                      PROXOR 17 May 2013 16: 46 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Scythian 35
                      Sorry, but you confused heh .. with a finger. Another minus !!! Sorry, but you better not have a say on artillery. Study the topic of probable circular deviation (CVO), it’s very simple, for example, the deviation of the projectile at short distances is 50-100 m. At medium (about 15 km) 200-300 m. With respect.

                      Sincerely.

                      But for some reason you persistently forget about the caliber of the gun. You provide the data of the projectile expansion when shooting from the same weapon. I think you do not need to explain that when shooting at 500 m you will put all the bullets in the target if you shoot from the SVD than when shooting from a Makarov pistol equipped with the same aiming optics. Also for some reason you persistently forget about the speed of the projectile exit from the barrel. The higher the velocity of the projectile, the more direct the trajectory. Less to you.
                      1. kind
                        kind 17 May 2013 20: 40 New
                        0
                        You confuse shooting with direct fire, with firing from closed positions, and you still do not know that artillery charges, unlike tank charges, are reduced, because full charge for 5 km. guns do not shoot, there will be a flight. These are guns, not howitzers.
                    2. Vladimir 70
                      Vladimir 70 17 May 2013 17: 06 New
                      0
                      Study the subject of probable circular deviation (CVO), everything is very simple, for example, the deviation of the projectile at short distances is 50-100 m. At medium (about 15 km) 200-300 m.
                      What is it? There has always been a dispersion of shells in an ellipse. There is a deviation in range and in the direction of Well and a deviation of 100-200-300m, you are bent! This is not MLRS.
                2. Vladimir 70
                  Vladimir 70 17 May 2013 17: 01 New
                  0
                  What kind of position is "reconnaissance spotter artillery fire"?
                  1. kind
                    kind 17 May 2013 20: 45 New
                    +1
                    It’s a dangerous position to sit on the front line in front of the first line of your trenches, pinpoint enemy targets, determine priority and communicate their coordinates to the control points, and indicate amendments (left, right, etc.) during the shooting process
              2. kind
                kind 17 May 2013 20: 30 New
                +1
                Geocint is very good. If you wish, after 5 km you can drive a 152mm shell into the window of the house. So why reinvent the wheel.

                Of the 152 mm guns, out the window, for 5 km, are you fiction or something you've read ?! negative
      3. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 17 May 2013 16: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: tor11121
        three inches. forty years old hyacinths armed.

        In any case, they removed from the storage base to replace the looted Msta-S)
        1. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 17 May 2013 16: 45 New
          +2
          in modern conditions, the gun of one shot, the second shot she will not be allowed to do, they will cover with return fire. In the Far East, you need to have a minimum of MSTA, the best artillery systems are collected there, in China PLZ45, in South Korea K9 Thunder, in Japan Type 99. All these installations are second only to the German PzH 2000. And we give them Hyacinths in balance !!! am
          1. tungus
            tungus 17 May 2013 17: 16 New
            +4
            The problem is not so much in the outdated art system as in the absence of a fortified area in the Far East. Humpback signed an agreement under which we with the Chinese withdraw troops at 100 km from the border. For China, 100 km is pooh. There motorways are laid if, in a couple of hours, they again approach Amur. And we drive away at 10 km from Transiba-taiga. There are no roads, no infrastructure, there was simply nowhere to withdraw troops. So they were disbanded. And fortified district. Sense now from these genacides? There, without a normal defense in depth, the coalition will not help.
  3. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 17 May 2013 08: 47 New
    +6
    It is necessary to have good equipment in the Far East so that no one would even have thoughts of chopping something off there.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 May 2013 08: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: vjatsergey
      It is necessary to have good equipment in the Far East so that no one would even have thoughts of chopping something off there.

      24 is not enough for the Far East, too little. When there is a powerful fist, then there will be no one left.
      1. Mitek
        Mitek 17 May 2013 10: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: vjatsergey
        It is necessary to have good equipment in the Far East so that no one would even have thoughts of chopping something off there.

        24 is not enough for the Far East, too little. When there is a powerful fist, then there will be no one left.

        If a powerful fist is gathered against China, then the millionth grouping is needed at least) nuclear weapons are ours. It seems to me that the South is now more explosive ... But on the Chinese border it is necessary to revive the infrastructure of border guards and ur. In Ura you can adapt the old equipment and the division there will stop the army ...
        1. Bezarius
          Bezarius 17 May 2013 12: 57 New
          +3
          The image of modern wars has long changed, no millions are needed. Now it is no less important than quantity and nuclear weapons play the role of precision tactical weapons.

          Further, I advise you to pay attention to the fact that if China will attack, then in cooperation with the United States, as they will not risk fighting with us knowing that the United States can attack them at any time.

          Given China’s active contributions to the development of the fleet, their combat vehicle is not directed towards the continent.

          It is also worth remembering that there is a certain company aimed at ensuring that China and Russia do not have an alliance.

          In other matters, I do not urge to ignore possible challenges. We have 2 ally, army and navy. Therefore, let's be pragmatic.
        2. VictoRO
          VictoRO 17 May 2013 12: 59 New
          +3
          On the border with China, we need to finalize 12 barrel geocynts laughing and then they can’t do it
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR 17 May 2013 13: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: VictoRO
            On the border with China, we need to finalize 12 barrel geocents and they won’t cope

            On our photoshop, the prototype of the SPG coalition. She is now preparing for factory tests. Geocint is a surgeon scalpel that is light and striking precisely on purpose and not on areas like MSTA and Coalition.
            1. VictoRO
              VictoRO 17 May 2013 18: 39 New
              +1
              Yes, I found the 15 barrel self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV" fellow Photoshop drives!
        3. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 17 May 2013 16: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Mitek
          And on the Chinese border, the infrastructure of border guards needs to be revived and URs. In Ura you can adapt the old equipment and the division there will stop the army ...

          Alas, alas, alas, nothing has long been left (((
    2. KILLAvolt
      KILLAvolt 17 May 2013 09: 16 New
      +1
      There are many Chinese, but ... let them not be upset: there are enough "flowers" for everyone! soldier
      1. bask
        bask 17 May 2013 09: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: KILLAvolt
        there are many Itayans, but ... let them not be upset: there are enough "flowers" for everyone!

        The Chinese, the flowers, stop, do not succeed. Their darkness. ONLY DUST-YAO. No longer like that.
        The news is really great. There is nothing for modern technology to stand on pedestals.
        The only thing is that the charges from the self-propelled guns, Geocint, do not fit the self-propelled guns, MSTA. Unification is required for the caliber of 152 mm. A single gun, with modular charges.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 May 2013 10: 06 New
        +6
        Quote: KILLAvolt
        There are many Chinese, but ... let them not be upset: there are enough "flowers" for everyone!

        If there are not enough flowers, we will plant the territory of any country laughing
      3. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 17 May 2013 17: 54 New
        0
        Are there any other thoughts? For example, not against the Chinese but to help?
        The Chinese were given to you!
  4. Vladomir
    Vladomir 17 May 2013 08: 48 New
    +2
    Equipment and weapons went. The matter is the skill of the personnel!
  5. pinecone
    pinecone 17 May 2013 08: 50 New
    +4
    It needs nuclear weapons, especially in this area. Mandatory.
    1. rennim
      rennim 17 May 2013 08: 54 New
      10
      Quote: pinecone
      It needs nuclear weapons, especially in this area. Mandatory.

      This installation has tactical nuclear warheads.

      He served on this system 15 years ago. Already at that time, it was already considered morally and technically obsolete. 2S19 should have been supplied to it for a long time already 20 years ago. In the chassis, the machine is similar to 2C3 with all its drawbacks and advantages of the chassis mod. 1946. The main advantage is the 152 mm gun. 2A37. However, its rate of fire according to modern concepts is already insufficient. The power plant is reliable, but extremely inconvenient to repair. To replace and repair the engine oil tank (a non-crankcase engine), the entire engine must be dismantled. Failure of the base plate hydraulics leads to the inability to fire from closed OPs (the base plate will not be released).
  6. Apollo
    Apollo 17 May 2013 08: 51 New
    +6
    here they are handsome

  7. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 17 May 2013 08: 58 New
    +2
    We are gaining strength gradually .. It pleases! :) :) :)
  8. ilya63
    ilya63 17 May 2013 08: 58 New
    +1
    Genocide is another name more suitable for this sau
    1. SIBIR38RUS
      SIBIR38RUS 17 May 2013 09: 00 New
      +1
      In my opinion, genocide is more about YaRS laughing laughing laughing
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 17 May 2013 10: 15 New
        +2
        Genocide refers to what you want, but not to Russian weapons !!! hi
  9. Stas
    Stas 17 May 2013 09: 00 New
    +1
    Good weapons to protect their homeland from adversaries will never hurt.
  10. Sochi
    Sochi 17 May 2013 09: 05 New
    +1
    Impressive ... Previously, such a caliber was used on armadillos and was considered marine.
  11. maestro123
    maestro123 17 May 2013 09: 19 New
    +3
    And the deployment time to combat state is much faster than this laughing
    1. gizz
      gizz 17 May 2013 09: 27 New
      +5
      This is a Swedish unit. And monkey racing is a parade for distinguished guests. Without clowning - much faster.
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 17 May 2013 12: 48 New
        0
        I also noticed how these jumpers got up. At first I did not understand, I revised RA 5. I admit honestly, it became funny. And when he still unhooked the unit and went up high, lifting his knees, he made himself ready and said to himself "not funny, just different customs." Well, in fact, the way it is. I hope this is the only disagreement in Russian-Indian relations))
    2. soaring
      soaring 17 May 2013 09: 48 New
      +1
      I love Indian comedians to see !!!! lol good laughing
    3. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 17 May 2013 16: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: maestro123
      And the deployment time to combat state is much faster than this

      Here’s the roadmap. It’s not sad to say, but Hyacinth (and Msta in some respects) compared to this system last century.
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 17 May 2013 16: 39 New
        -1
        Quote: ramzes1776
        It’s not sad to say, but Hyacinth (and Msta in some respects) compared to this system last century.

        I do not agree. Here is your answer:
        http://youtu.be/jynqlDOXv4Y
        1. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 17 May 2013 18: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: PROXOR
          I do not agree. Here is your answer:
          http://youtu.be/jynqlDOXv4Y

          Cool answer laughing The range is 20 km, the crew is 8 people (6 of them in the tower) of which 4 are loaders. There is no anti-fragmentation armor, the time for transferring to combat position is from 5 to 30 minutes. Once again I say this is the last century. .
  12. sys-1985
    sys-1985 17 May 2013 09: 20 New
    +1
    There are no substitutes for her yet
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 17 May 2013 17: 01 New
      -1
      Quote: sys-1985
      There are no substitutes for her yet

      I still see that it is inappropriately to change it. This art system needs a perfect sighting system. Whatever the calculation commander was sitting with the tablet and counting.
  13. Myasnov
    Myasnov 17 May 2013 09: 32 New
    +1
    Beautiful flower!
  14. User777
    User777 17 May 2013 09: 32 New
    +1
    We need more of these "Gods of War"! Anyway, a trifle - but nice)
  15. NIK 163
    NIK 163 17 May 2013 09: 34 New
    +3
    We have a good garden, more acacias, hyacinths, poplars, and in the ocean of ash, beauty !!!
  16. Diviz
    Diviz 17 May 2013 09: 35 New
    0
    and what does not depend on the projectile range. 33 is this the limit?
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 17 May 2013 09: 59 New
      -1
      24 Genocide is very serious. With the use of tactical nuclear shells, even the armored armored forces of the PLA cannot resist.
  17. Alexander IV
    Alexander IV 17 May 2013 09: 53 New
    +3
    That's right, on the border with friendly China you need to keep entire flower beds!
  18. Speedy
    Speedy 17 May 2013 09: 58 New
    +3
    They seem to be especially with D.V. didn’t leave anywhere. Removed from storage and it’s good if they upgraded .. Which, in general, is also good. It’s not enough to have a technique, it’s necessary to master it.
  19. Manager
    Manager 17 May 2013 10: 17 New
    +1
    Of course, the equipment and tools that you need! Great news!
    However, I still (IMHO) are more on the side of the CITIES and other joys of life with reactive volley fire.
  20. tchack
    tchack 17 May 2013 10: 27 New
    +5
    I do not understand where the Hyacinth-S self-propelled guns come from if they were discontinued 20 years ago ...
    Are they from conservation or what they are doing or from modernization ???
  21. Gamal
    Gamal 17 May 2013 16: 57 New
    0
    Here they are handsome at the May 9 parade in Belogorsk (Amur Region)
  22. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 17 May 2013 17: 08 New
    +1
    1965 Bandkanon 1 self-propelled guns, and our Hyacinth-S self-propelled guns 2013, where pride for our equipment was lost, pay attention to the years ... but there are probably more advanced, well, very classified systems what and by the way, self-propelled guns “Hyacinth-S” were not produced in 2013, but are being received now, it’s not clear why something is wrong in the article ...
  23. Zubr
    Zubr 18 May 2013 22: 17 New
    +1
    152-mm, We have 2С3, "Msta-S" of the same caliber, I don’t understand .... maybe some tricky ammunition under it, or again yesterday? until the 1989 of the year, in our unit there were T-55 tanks ............... what
    Is it that again the story goes in a spiral, new to the southern and western districts, and the eastern borders? .... what request
  24. 320423
    320423 19 May 2013 04: 49 New
    0
    if you look at this delivery in the light of the fact that soon we will have to accept a new heavy platform armature and unification as such in general. Then if this is a temporary solution, it seems logical. But again, only when developing a new complex on a new platform.