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Turkey is close to choosing the winner of the tender for the supply of T-LORAMIDS complexes

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Turkey is close to choosing the winner of the tender for the supply of T-LORAMIDS complexes

The long-range T-LORAMIDS (Turkish Long Range Air and Missile Defense System) long-range air defense and missile defense systems are entering the final stage.


According to Janes Defense Weekly, the decision to choose a winner is expected to be made in June. All four applicants took part in the IDEF-2013 defense exhibition in Istanbul.

The Turkish Defense Industry Secretariat (SSM) issued a request for information under the T-LORAMIDS system procurement program as early as early March 2007. Since 2009, the project has experienced delays. The competition involved the Lockheed Martin / Raytheon consortium with the complex created on the basis of the PAC-2 GMT and PAC-3 projects of the Patriot missile system and the China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation with the HQ complex -9 (export designation FD-2000), “Rosoboronexport” with the S-300BM “Antey-2500” AAMS, as well as the French-Italian consortium “Eurosam” with the SAMP / T ADMS based on the “Aster-30” SAMs.

According to available information, currently, it is planned to purchase 12 air defense missile systems with a total value of about $ 3,5 billion to equip the Turkish armed forces, but potential bidders should simultaneously submit proposals for developing an advanced air defense system with a national defense industry.

Representatives of the American and European consortia continue to insist that, despite the high performance characteristics of the Russian and Chinese complexes, their integration into the NATO air defense / missile defense system is impossible.

According to unofficial information, Chinese manufacturers have offered delivery at an extremely attractive price.

The representative of “Raytheon”, citing sources in the Turkish government, also confirmed that the winner of the competition will be determined soon. The company “Raytheon” among its additional advantages indicates that the production of components for the “Patriot” air defense missile system has already been launched at the facilities of “Rockettsan” and “Aselsan”.

It is assumed that if Ankara chooses the American offer, works on 2 billion dollars will be performed in Turkey. "Raytheon" promises to produce in the country about 80% components for the complexes.

Eurosam also declares its intention (in case of victory) to expand partnership with enterprises of the Turkish defense-industrial complex, as well as to organize a number of joint ventures with the participation of Thales and MBDA. The consortium, which presented the SAMP / T complex at IDEF-2013, asserts that there are a number of technical advantages of its complex over its competitors, including the possibility of firing in the 360 sector, deg., And the absence of the need for continuous target illumination.
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  1. Vtel
    Vtel 14 May 2013 10: 19 New
    +7
    The Lockheed Martin / Reiteon American consortium with the complex created on the basis of the Patriot air defense projects of versions PAC-2 GMT and PAC-3, the Chinese company CPMIEC (China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation) with the HQ complex participate in the competition -9 (export designation FD-2000), Rosoboronexport with the S-300VM Antey-2500 air defense system

    And what our people are doing there, I would not sell a rusty nail to these Turks. And then Syria does not want our aces to supply the S-300, for the sake of the kosher, and hello to the Turks, please.
    1. Canep
      Canep 14 May 2013 10: 23 New
      +1
      They’ll buy something anyway, it’s better if it is the Russian S-300, the money for our defense plants is not superfluous.
      1. individual
        individual 14 May 2013 11: 05 New
        +2
        Ours and yours.
        Everything is intertwined: world geopolitics, the politics of local princes intertwined with the ubiquitous business.
        In this fusion of interests, the strongest wins - capable of both creating and selling military products and forcing peace.
        Classics
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 14 May 2013 19: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Canep
        They’ll buy something anyway, it’s better if it is the Russian S-300, the money for our defense plants is not superfluous.

        You once again read this piece of text from the article.
        Representatives of the American and European consortia continue to insist that, despite the high performance characteristics of the Russian and Chinese complexes, their integration into the NATO air defense / missile defense system is impossible.
    2. Prokop
      Prokop 14 May 2013 10: 29 New
      10
      Quote: Vtel
      . And then Syria does not want our aces to supply the S-300, for the sake of the kosher, and hello to the Turks, please.

      Turks being NATO members should be considered by us as a potential adversary, therefore, the presence of Rosoboronexport at such a tender is not entirely appropriate, IMHO, except perhaps pushing the S-300, which at the signal will be reconfigured changing "friend or foe".
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 14 May 2013 11: 13 New
        +3
        I want to believe that not without it)))
      2. Manager
        Manager 14 May 2013 13: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Prokop
        except that they push the S-300, which at the signal reconfigures by changing "friend or foe".


        Yeah, his alien Jew crest ..... Dreaming. Do you think all that simple? Yes, even if they receive supplies from the United States, they will still check everything up to the screw. And ours is even more so.
        Anyway! I am against supplies!
    3. fortunophile
      fortunophile 14 May 2013 10: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: Vtel
      I wouldn’t sell a rusty nail to these Turks

      Russia is planning to build nuclear power plants in Turkey; I think that the supply of air defense is a side branch of the main contract for the construction of nuclear power plants. IMHO
      An export version will be delivered (castrated, which has not been a secret for NATO for a long time. Even Israeli pilots have tried tactics to overcome the S-300 zone at the complex set up by Russia in Greece (I could be wrong, I read somewhere)
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 14 May 2013 10: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: fortuneophile
        Even Israeli pilots tested the tactics of overcoming the S-300 zone at the complex set up by Russia in Greece (I could be wrong, I read somewhere)

        Not only the "children of Israel" practiced this.
        The delivered systems to Greece were almost immediately comprehensively studied (by NATO specialists) and exercises were conducted (more than once) to test methods of overcoming them.
    4. Withoutdream
      Withoutdream 14 May 2013 10: 45 New
      +4
      Our Syria does not want to supply the S-300 not for the sake of kosher, but because of the lack of finance from Syria for well-known reasons. And the Turkish tender is understandable for us not to win, America will not allow.
      Representatives of the American and European consortia continue to insist that, despite the high performance characteristics of the Russian and Chinese complexes, their integration into the NATO air defense / missile defense system is impossible.
      That is why it is not clear what our and the Chinese are doing there.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 14 May 2013 10: 55 New
        +4
        900 million dollars recently transferred to Syria Russia. Here they wrote on the site. I don’t know, due to past deliveries or future ones.
        1. piotr534
          piotr534 15 May 2013 01: 45 New
          0
          900 million dollars recently transferred to Syria Russia. Here they wrote on the site. I don’t know, due to past deliveries or future ones.
          900 million. This is the entire amount of the contract and it was said about the transfer of part of this amount. How many were not indicated, perhaps the delivery of the S-300 is an advance, because time does not wait, the adversary is completely insolent. If the Assad regime falls, the losses will be more serious.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 14 May 2013 15: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Withoutdream
        That is why it is not clear what our and the Chinese are doing there.


        The Turks invited them only to make real candidates for victory more accommodating in discussing the details of promising supplies, nothing more. Interest in the S-300 (Antey), in particular, was linked to further Wishlist for the supply of S-400, which the Turks and not only were refused in the future. several years ago, Moscow offered Ankara, without any competition, to buy from it the C-300 and even the S-400 air defense systems in the future, trying to seduce the Turks with low prices. However, Turkey made a condition: in addition to the complexes themselves, Russia must also transfer the technologies for their production. Also, at least 40% of the air defense system production should be transferred to Turkish companies. Naturally, under such conditions, the Turks were invited to go through the woods and buy American Patriots.
        Turkey currently does not have long-range high-altitude anti-aircraft missile systems. The air defense forces have British air defense systems Rapier and American Stinger, designed to engage targets at low altitudes, as well as obsolete, albeit modernized, mid-altitude American Hawk systems.
        The United States is simply lobbying for its own arms manufacturers, and at the same time expressing dissatisfaction with Ankara’s overly independent foreign policy, which is why the Turks will be 100% tied to a single US missile defense / air defense system. And as the experience of previous Turkish arms tenders testifies, they all end in favor of the Americans. Here is an example from a not so long past.

        In the late 1990s, the Russian company Kamov and Israel Aircraft Industry submitted an application for participation in a tender for equipping the Turkish army with 145 combat helicopters for $ 1,5 billion. Helicopter Ka-50-2 Erdogan, developed by Kamov and equipped with Israeli electronics, received the most flattering reviews from experts and at the preliminary stage bypassed Apache Longbow of the American company Boeing. However, in the end, the tender was won by the AN-1Z King Cobra helicopter of the American company Bell Helicopter. Many experts then blamed Washington for using foul play to lobby for their project.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 14 May 2013 16: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: Ascetic
          . However, in the end, the tender was won by the AN-1Z King Cobra helicopter

          the tender was won by avgusta westland A129. and the cobra was bought not much and that use
    5. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 14 May 2013 10: 48 New
      +2
      What are you worried about. Rosoboronexport does not offer S-400 or S-500, but it has already been carefully examined by both Amers and S-300 Jews. Although, someday the time will come and sell the S-500, when the S-700 will be in development.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 May 2013 10: 52 New
        +7
        Quote: Hedgehog
        What are you worried about. Rosoboronexport does not offer S-400 or S-500, but it has already been carefully examined by both Amers and S-300 Jews.

        So many do not want to understand this, they think that the S-300 is the last know-how in the world and America knows nothing about it, it’s better to try to push the S-300, the Turks will buy it anyway, but it’s better if this money goes to Russia. 3.5 it’s not small the contract and here they will obviously pay unlike some Bangladesh and all those who take only loans that they will not return, but rather will not return)
        1. lecturer
          lecturer 14 May 2013 11: 04 New
          +3
          Yes, let them buy the S-300! This is a kind of advertising at 100%! Advertising is that the S-300 has already passed the stage for us! The husk! Let szeraya..sya from "joy"!
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  3. Yeraz
    Yeraz 14 May 2013 10: 49 New
    +5
    The offer of Americans is more attractive, as much as 2 billion work will be carried out in Turkey with a contract value of 3.5 Although the article did not describe the conditions that the Russian Federation proposed, there was infa on joint production, but on what terms they did not try to agree.
  4. leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 May 2013 10: 50 New
    +4
    In fact, Antei is the best, but he is the most expensive of them. And they will buy it. Most likely the patriot will win. That would be more logical.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 May 2013 11: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: leon-iv
      In fact, Antei is the best, but he is the most expensive of them.

      Maybe co-production will be profitable. Although for now, I also think that Patriot will win.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 14 May 2013 11: 25 New
        +6
        Quote: Yeraz
        .Although so far I also think that Patriot will win.


        Not a fact, the gringos are unlikely to give up the technology, it will be limited only to the production of spare parts! And we need technology, it is possible Antei 2500 will win, or Chinese Q-9
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 May 2013 11: 28 New
          +3
          Fact. As the Americans say, so be it.
          1. TSOOBER
            TSOOBER 14 May 2013 12: 45 New
            +2
            good you can’t say better!
          2. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 14 May 2013 14: 19 New
            +5
            Rumor has it in Turkish forums that Turks are negotiating the purchase of Russian AL-41 engines for the promising Turkish fighter
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 14 May 2013 11: 26 New
        +1
        Can co-production profitable offer

        Yeah, but most likely the Turks will want their own, and ours will offer assembly kits. That's all.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 14 May 2013 11: 42 New
          +5
          Turks themselves create small and medium-range air defense
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 14 May 2013 12: 04 New
            +2
            Turks themselves create small and medium-range air defense

            Let’s give you examples, but we’ll see where their ears grow from.
  5. waisson
    waisson 14 May 2013 10: 59 New
    0
    what are we rushing into suppliers of weapons of NATO, I would also shit them ...... about the nail did not give out let them fraternize with the Jews and Syria help Nodo
  6. gregor6549
    gregor6549 14 May 2013 11: 52 New
    0
    To supply the Turks with their weapons systems is the same as laying a time bomb under your own bed and wondering "it will not explode, but if it does, then when." And the mine under the bed is like a gun in the theater, If in the first act it just hangs on the scenery, then in the second it will certainly shoot. The difference is that at the theater it shoots idle, and the mine mentioned will be at 100% combat.
  7. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 14 May 2013 12: 08 New
    +2
    so let them take at least patriots, anything. What do we care? This is their air defense / missile defense will be weaker, and the Turks, after all, in NATO. let them eat what they give, and not what is really effective.
  8. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 14 May 2013 12: 08 New
    +4
    “We conduct bilateral consultations and are ready for full-scale cooperation on projects in the field of long-range air defense, a promising combat aircraft, and the provision of telecommunication satellite launch services,” Aksyonov added
    Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/15863
  9. UFO
    UFO 14 May 2013 14: 23 New
    -2
    “Shilka” they put and stop with them, or “Pechora” for the steepness, let the Turks rejoice blinnnn! wink
  10. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 14 May 2013 14: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Papakiko
    Quote: fortuneophile
    Even Israeli pilots tested the tactics of overcoming the S-300 zone at the complex set up by Russia in Greece (I could be wrong, I read somewhere)

    Not only the "children of Israel" practiced this.
    The delivered systems to Greece were almost immediately comprehensively studied (by NATO specialists) and exercises were conducted (more than once) to test methods of overcoming them.


    And why are they so fussed when they found out that we will deliver Syria the S-300, immediately a delegation to us? This means that not everything is so simple, and it is far from always possible to overcome it.
  11. darksoul
    darksoul 14 May 2013 21: 41 New
    0
    Very very well, I just really would like China to win, as the article was recently ... air defense of the country, Ecuador simply didn’t die because 4 Chinese radar stations were out of order .... that’s what the Turks need to sell, they don’t deserve more
  12. Yarbay
    Yarbay 14 May 2013 22: 50 New
    +2
    Yes, no difference now which system Turkey will choose in my opinion, while they are in NATO! I think they need technology to create a domestic complex !!
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 14 May 2013 23: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Yarbay
      I think they need technology to create a domestic complex !!


      Create not only domestic but also with the right to sell in third countries!