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Historical paradox: Poland has forgotten the memory of its heroes and forgot about the Victory Day

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Today, 9 May, on this festive day, walking through the streets of Polish cities, no one will be able to detect any signs of celebrations associated with the celebration of Victory Day. The official Warsaw and the host of "politically correct" media over the past twenty years have sought to eradicate this date from the public consciousness. For a country that suffered a record loss in terms of the number of its then-population in the last World War and for a record long, almost six years, was under atrocious Nazi occupation - this is at least strange. In turn, it is not at all strange that the thinking Poles understand the significance of this day in the destinies of their people and, as before, consider it to be their holiday. Nevertheless, unfortunately, in modern Poland and in the Polish information space, Victory Day is an event of far from primary importance.


Victory Day - May not 9

In recent years, a deliberately ongoing process of “forgetting” the page continues in Poland. storiesassociated with the victory over Nazi Germany, the main role in which played the Soviet Union. Politicians of all stripes, regardless of likes and dislikes, being in power, consistently ignored this date.

The "oblivion" began in the early 90-ies, when trying to emphasize their "pro-Western" and a departure from the tradition of "neighbor to the east", the Polish authorities have transferred the celebration of Victory Day with "eastern" 9 May "Western" 8 May. Especially because to do so was not difficult: it did not require the adoption of any specific official act, because on this day in Poland was never weekends. Therefore, it was only on the revision of the unwritten but holy tradition.

Holiday Invisible

"Oblivion" Victory Day has led to the fact that in Poland today it is almost invisible. Do not see it in the streets disappeared numerous white and red Polish flags, which has just a few days ago were decorated streets of Polish cities and villages, and are posted at the time of the so-called long weekend 1-3 of May (May Day in Poland is connected with May 3 - Constitution Day).

Do not see holiday dates in the major media in Poland. Television stations that are sure to have the greatest impact on public opinion, whether public or commercial - in their former main newscasts on Victory Day did not say a single word.

An interesting problem for public opinion research center would be to study how young people are generally aware of the Victory Day. However, even without deep research can bet: the vast majority of young people aged 15-25 years, in principle, does not know anything about the Day of Victory.

"Thank you Grandpa for Victory!" - Poles weird?

On the Day of Victory Polish audience hears 9 May - as the celebrations in Russia. Usually such reports from Moscow based on the principle - "like they're celebrating," with a hint of a certain exoticism. The exception was the Victory Day 2010, when the Poles on the occasion 65-th anniversary of Victory received an invitation to a military parade and marching on Red Square not only together with representatives of the armies of the former Soviet republics, but also with the Allies - the United States, Britain and France.

Then suddenly it turned out that the Victory Day - it's also a Polish holiday, also Polish Victory. However, this enthusiasm had influx of one-time, the Polish authorities have assessed this invitation to the parade as a friendly move by Russia to Poland after the Smolensk disaster 10 2010 year in April that killed Polish President Lech Kaczynski and his company 95 people. Therefore, the official cold attitude of Warsaw Victory Day quickly returned to the modern "normal".

It's no surprise that when the day before, on 8 May, the Moscow-based permanent correspondent of the Polish radio told the audience about the scope of preparation for the festivities in the Russian capital, the journalists in the studio reacted to what they heard with bewilderment. They asked the Moscow interlocutor how much these upbeat sentiments of ordinary Russian people are sincere and whether any form of pressure from the authorities or an element of political conjuncture is behind them. Particularly surprised by their fragment of a message from Moscow that Russian youth, on their own initiative and for their own money, buys carnations and hands them to veterans with a kiss and the words "Thank you to my grandfather for victory!".

Polish Day in Paris

However, this year the President of Poland Bronislaw Komorowski celebrated Victory Day, but this celebration was forced. Now he is in France on an official visit, and together with French President under the Arc de Triomphe in Paris, laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

Donald Tusk, according to the information office of the Prime Minister, 8 May presented awards to young scientists. About his participation in any of the festivities associated with the Victory Day, the official website - not a word.

On the official website of the City Hall of the Polish capital in category "Warsaw remembers" is, for example, a lot of information about the April celebrations dedicated 70-th anniversary of the uprising in the Warsaw Jewish ghetto during the Nazi occupation and the many related events, including those held under honorary patronage of President Bronislaw Komorowski. However, on Victory Day - not a word.

Victory or a new occupation?

"For Poles 8 May not mean the end of totalitarianism. Along with the end of the war, began economic and political occupation of Poland by the Soviet Union. Occupation replaced another one, so from the point of view of the people change occurred, but there was a qualitative change" - so on the eve of Victory Day , 8 May spoke on the air of the Polish Information Agency Radio political analyst from the Institute of Political Sciences of the University of Warsaw, Jacek Zalesny.

Such theses in contemporary Poland are far from some exotic, deliver them are not extremists or illiterate students, rather, they are becoming increasingly popular in political circles are evaluated as saying "in a good tone." At least, that's what is the situation with the TV screens and the pages of the leading periodicals.

Of course, many Poles have their own opinion about this promotion and their own vision of history that they did not hide. For example, pungent, bitter and at the same time accurately commented on the statement referred to the political scientist, one participant online discussion: "Soon these bastards from the government and" opposition "inspire us that the USSR broke supporting Poland, German troops and destroyed the prosperity of the province of the General (the name part of Poland under Nazi occupation, which was not attached to the Reich - AS). "

Much bolder to the Victory Day celebration fit the local authorities in the provinces, although their activities on a national scale have significant resonance. Elblag city near the border with the Kaliningrad Oblast, implements a two-day program of celebrations in which 8 May flowers and wreaths laid on the graves of Allied and Soviet soldiers, and devoted to the commemoration May 9 68-th anniversary of the liberation of the concentration camp Stutthof-subcamp Elblag.

Record losses

It will be recalled that during World War II killed over 6 million Poles, including the Nazis turned to ashes in their concentration camps three million Polish citizens of Jewish origin. Thus, in a military nightmare lost more than one-fifth of the then population of Poland - it's a sad world record for losses in relation to the total population of the country.

Polish troops fought in all the major theaters of war in Europe and Africa, and in the country - despite the atrocities of the Nazis - in all the years of Nazi occupation in hiding acted structure of the Polish state and the numerous anti-fascist militias.

In spite of the death penalty, which threatened the whole family helping Jews, Poles are 26% of those who for the salvation of the Jews awarded the title of Righteous Among the Nations (6394 people, including 704 person - posthumously).
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  1. _Igor_
    _Igor_ 13 May 2013 07: 27 New
    +7
    sorry for the Polish people, their politicians are ready to sell everything
    Thus, more than one fifth of the then Polish population died in a military nightmare - this is a sad world record of losses in relation to the total population of the country.
    and such losses for them are within normal limits
    1. fortunophile
      fortunophile 13 May 2013 15: 21 New
      10
      The logs have always been hucksters, and now they are "itching" to get money from Russia for the occupation, and the end justifies the means. Billions of dollars for the "occupation" will force them to walk in koryachki, and not only to falsify history. However, recently some "bump" from Kaliningrad staged a festive bike parade in honor of Victory Day with the laying of flowers at a cemetery in a Polish city, and so none of them barked, although there were Soviet symbols. Tyavkni and this "bump" in the region (borderland) will impose sanctions in response, and this is damage to business.
      Here read http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20130511/208868899.html
      From there:
      The delegation was led by the Governor of the Kaliningrad Region Nikolai Tsukanov: he arrived in the cemetery in an unofficial capacity, dressed in a leather motorcycle suit. Motorcycles were decorated with red flags depicting a sickle and a hammer. An ambiguous reaction of observers was caused by the presence at an informal meeting with the governor of representatives of the top leadership of the Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship. The ceremony was attended in particular by: the governor of the province Jacek Protas, governor Marian Podziewski, the head of the local parliamentary assembly, Julian Osiecki, and the commandant of the governor's police, Józef Gdański.

      The event was unusually magnificent: a military band and a company of the guard of honor were invited to the Branevsky cemetery, which held a ceremony. The voivode Marian Podzevsky used phrases such as “The Red Army saved many Polish lives” and “we will always be grateful to the Soviet soldiers for this in a solemn speech.”
    2. Bykov.
      Bykov. 13 May 2013 15: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: _Igor_
      ... it’s a pity the Polish people, their politicians are ready to sell everything ...

      Sell, the Poles, maybe they want, but who will buy it?
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 13 May 2013 16: 09 New
        13
        Quote: Bulls.
        sorry for the Polish people, their politicians are ready to sell everything

        a prostitute is not spared, she is simply used. It is said - "People who do not remember history have no future"
    3. dmitrich
      dmitrich 13 May 2013 16: 36 New
      +6
      and you do not spare the Polish people, they have betrayed Russia all their lives with the Khokhlams.
    4. Felix200970
      Felix200970 13 May 2013 23: 57 New
      0
      Quote: _Igor_
      sorry for the Polish people, their politicians are ready to sell everything

      Any politicians from any nation are ready to sell everything. Just some are more fortunate in conjuncture, others less. But in order to stay in power, they are ready to .. themselves in .opu. Another thing is if you were able to achieve what you have to reckon with during your reign0. Here it’s possible to fuck the principalities even smaller and talk about the fact that they don’t remember Ivan’s kinship
  2. svp67
    svp67 13 May 2013 15: 19 New
    +8
    Historical paradox: Poland has forgotten the memory of its heroes and forgot about the Victory Day

    Nothing paradoxical, if you recall this, you will have to remember those who fought alongside, that is, the USSR, and the current authorities don’t feel like it, it’s better to remember Katyn ...
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 13 May 2013 15: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      ... Nothing paradoxical, if you recall this, you will have to remember those who fought alongside, that is, the USSR, and the current authorities don’t feel like it, it’s better to remember Katyn ...

      Let the Poles "forget" about the USSR, neighbors from the West come and again remind them of 39, then they all remember where they will go ...
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 13 May 2013 16: 15 New
      10
      Quote: svp67
      Nothing paradoxical, if you recall this, you will have to remember those who fought alongside, that is, the USSR,

      I agree with you, him, (Poles), there is something to remember:

      1. Poland in November 1939 declared war on the USSR and launched partisan actions on its territory - killing Soviet people, opponents of the axis countries and future liberators of Poland from the troops of the axis countries.
      2. With the attack of the European axis on the USSR, Poland stopped the guerrilla war against the Germans.
      3. Poland withdrew from the war with the Germans the Anders army uniform and equipped with the USSR and did not bring it to the front until it became clear that the Allies would win the war even without a stinking gentry.
      4. Poland provided the Germans with the organization of a pivotal propaganda campaign that caused a fierce war and the additional deaths of millions of people, for which:
      - hid from the USSR in 1941 that Polish prisoners were killed.
      - connected to Goebbels’s propaganda campaign on the Katyn case; - hushed up the results of the Katyn case investigation by the Soviet commission.
      5. On the eve of the liberation of Poland by the Soviet troops, the gentry gathered in Warsaw and gave the Germans to destroy those Polish patriots in the Warsaw uprising who could help the Red Army in the liberation of Poland.
      And after all this, journalists and human rights activists are pouring crocodile tears over these bastards, thereby contributing to the complication of relations that are far from simple with today's Poland.
      Let me remind you that after the victory, all countries, including France and England, hanged their journalists who worked for Goebbels. It is a pity that these were born much later. They would have hung them "fanatically hungry for the truth."
      And who would drop at least one tear on these scum?
  3. krez-74
    krez-74 13 May 2013 15: 28 New
    10
    And the hats were always different in that they put on the wrong horse. So, the curve will fix only ...
  4. Army1
    Army1 13 May 2013 15: 29 New
    -19
    You know, I’m not defending Poland, and by no means do I condemn. It's just that we weren’t so cute. Friendship treaty of borders, etc. I will not say anything about Katyn.
    1. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 13 May 2013 16: 21 New
      14
      What do you know about Katyn? Compared to the Poles, who tried to forcibly and violently convert all captured settlements in Russia to Catholicism, we really were nice. And what about the Polish officers - this is complete nonsense, they were shot - by the Germans. Watch the movie doc - Katyn Meanness, makes you think.
      1. Army1
        Army1 13 May 2013 16: 57 New
        -10
        It's about VICTORY DAY, About the Polish occupation and the lies of kings I know.
        Quote: Alexander Petrovich
        What do you know about Katyn? Compared to the Poles, who tried to forcibly and violently convert all captured settlements in Russia to Catholicism, we were really nice

        I say again I do not defend them, but it is not correct to compare those times before the Second World War.
        Quote: Alexander Petrovich
        And what about the Polish officers - this is complete nonsense, they were shot - by the Germans.

        The topic of the Katyn execution for a long time complicated the Polish-Russian relations. In 2010, Russian President Dmitry A. Medvedev noted: “The Katyn tragedy is a consequence of the crime of I. Stalin and a number of his minions. The position of the Russian state on this issue has long been formulated and remains unchanged. "
        On November 26, 2010, the State Duma of Russia adopted a statement “On the Katyn tragedy and its victims”, in which it admits that the mass shooting of Polish citizens in Katyn was carried out according to the direct instructions of Stalin and other Soviet leaders [10] and is a crime of the Stalin regime. http://www.katyn.ru/index.php?go=News&in=view&id=206
        Quote: Alexander Petrovich
        Watch the movie doc - Katyn Meanness, makes you think.

        Watch less films, media, dock films have a feature of lying.
        1. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 13 May 2013 19: 21 New
          12
          Listen more to Medvedev and find out that Serdyukov is an excellent manager wassat
        2. Alexander Petrovich
          Alexander Petrovich 13 May 2013 22: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Army1
          Watch less films, media, dock films have a feature of lying.

          Only those who do not give arguments in numbers. I can only say one thing - that Polish officers were shot from German weapons - machine guns. And the NKVD always used revolvers or pistols. For the sake of interest, I still insist on watching this film. All the lies about the execution of the Poles of the NKVD were compromised by German propaganda in order to embroil the Allies. Moreover, for some reason, bullets were removed from the bodies of the dead, only a few left. There was nothing to do at the moment when the war. except to dig out other people's graves, and organize a Polish-German investigation.
      2. Felix200970
        Felix200970 14 May 2013 00: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Petrovich
        What do you know about Katyn?

        And what do we even know about Katyn? We will not even be able to answer the question of why such a decision was made (whoever made it). And whoever accepts him, I will not be able to condemn his decision from a tactical and strategic point of view. Any officer is a combat unit for which training money was thrown away. This combat unit is trained for combat thinking and subordination. Ready to self-organize instantly. How many thousands were there? Do not forget that there are about 1200 people in a regiment, in a division from 11000 to 15000. To stop the advance of troops, you need to have at least 3-fold superiority. Now the next question: where did the officers come from to staff the "Army of Anders" and where did the officers in the Army of Human come from? You can shoot and watch a lot of documentaries, but who makes them and why ... The most important thing is to ask the question correctly ...
    2. dmitrich
      dmitrich 13 May 2013 16: 43 New
      -3
      if you don’t know, better keep silent.
    3. Simon
      Simon 13 May 2013 17: 45 New
      +7
      Poland, it’s a political prostitute who pays the most, goes for it and does what the payers order.
    4. rauffg
      rauffg 13 May 2013 20: 34 New
      +4
      and two tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers tortured by the Poles in the early 20s in concentration camps? and keep silent about it.
    5. Uzoliv
      Uzoliv 13 May 2013 23: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Army1
      You know, I’m not defending Poland, and by no means do I condemn. It's just that we weren’t so cute. Friendship treaty of borders, etc. I will not say anything about Katyn.

      But the Poles also do not look like such innocent dandelions. Since the beginning of its recent history (since 1918), the Poles have declared their geopolitical interests in the east - on the lands of Ukraine and Belarus. Moreover, the Polish leadership had this sentiment until 1939, there are documents for this. Polish intelligence actively operated on the territory of the USSR, there were hundreds of residents. And these were not just information collectors; Polish intelligence conducted sabotage on our territory, for example, explosions at enterprises.
      The Poles were preparing for a campaign against the USSR, were looking for allies. One of the allies was considered Germany. There was a rapprochement of these countries. For example, in 1933, when Germany withdrew from the League of Nations, it was Poland that voluntarily assumed the obligation to defend the interests of Germany in this international organization. The union between the two countries did not take place because the Poles did not want to play the role of a small brother and to return the Silesia and the Danzig corridor to the Germans, although Goering offered land for this in the East, right up to the Black Sea. But it was impossible to 100% exclude the possibility of a union of Germans and Poles, and the Polish army is 3,5 million bayonets.
      Poland behaved aggressively and this issue had to be solved somehow.
  5. Ak 12
    Ak 12 13 May 2013 15: 31 New
    +6
    Poland has forgotten the memory of its heroes and forgot about Victory Day

    Then they will blame the USSR for their liberation from occupation
    1. edge
      edge 13 May 2013 17: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Ak 12
      Poland has forgotten the memory of its heroes and forgot about Victory Day
      during the occupation of Poland, her government was seated in England. the Polish army, in the occupied territory, the regional army was formed which partially fought against the German, and after unsuccessful Warsaw uprising, and against the Soviet troops. But, to be honest, in 44, when we approached the border, a Polish army was formed consisting of guerrilla fighters human army units.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 13 May 2013 20: 11 New
      +5
      Quote: Ak 12
      Then they will blame the USSR for their liberation from occupation

      They primarily blame the Soviet Army for not supporting the Warsaw Uprising. "Why didn't everyone leave and rush to help ?!" And the fact that they started the uprising, relying on the British and the support that the Home Army promised them, and nothing happened - is it also the Russians to blame? And the further, the more claims.
  6. Manager
    Manager 13 May 2013 15: 32 New
    17
    Yes, they have been a vile folk throughout history, what can I say. And unfortunately I will add that this is not only in politics in them, but also in the people of foulbrood is present.
    And after they beat our fans, including women and children, this news was the last straw in my tolerance for these whores! I can not stand them!
    1. Tylerdurden
      Tylerdurden 13 May 2013 15: 43 New
      +1
      Greetings, Manager! If possible, more about fans of women and children
      1. Manager
        Manager 13 May 2013 15: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: TylerDurden
        if possible, more about fans of women and children

        World Cup last. Read photos and comments on the internet and see.
      2. opkozak
        opkozak 13 May 2013 16: 35 New
        -10

        These are women in Warsaw.

        And this is "child"
        1. dmitrich
          dmitrich 13 May 2013 16: 47 New
          +1
          and you see the mishandled Cossack then.
  7. bubla5
    bubla5 13 May 2013 15: 38 New
    +3
    Ah, the poor Polish people, again some unproven figures of 6 million Poles, and as always more Jewish, but there were concentration camps in Poland, but they were brought there from all over Europe and the USSR, again, someone needs money once they raise the issue, and do not celebrate Victory Day- well x-- with them
  8. Dimitr
    Dimitr 13 May 2013 15: 40 New
    +6
    Oh, just don't make angels and orphans out of them and make the offended! Whatever they want there and no matter how offended, but this is just a betrayal of everyone who died at the hands of the Nazis! Poles in world history also lit up qualitatively and not from the best side, as they say: "O times, about manners"! Again, Katyn, Katyn, then both Solovetsky Island and Svetlitsa Island on Lake Seliger, in Katyn, they shot servicemen, and you shouldn't make helpless victims of them, they died for their beliefs, and this is worthy of respect, and about the rest in those days not it is worth forgetting that Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians suffered less? It’s bad that the Slavs still haven’t learned to live normally with each other, the common roots are forgotten more and more, but in vain!
  9. leon-iv
    leon-iv 13 May 2013 15: 47 New
    +1
    The gentry has always been a bargaining chip in the games of the great uncles. They still do not understand this?
  10. treskoed
    treskoed 13 May 2013 15: 52 New
    +2
    Glaring ingratitude! Indeed, it was only thanks to the USSR that Poland in modern history has twice recovered from non-existence, as an independent country, an independent state - after the first and after the second world wars!
  11. kind
    kind 13 May 2013 15: 56 New
    +5
    Traitors to the history of their people (country) have no future. Psheks are an example of this.
    And why is Russia always to blame for all the troubles of other countries ???
    The Germans arranged the Katyn execution, it has already been proved more than once. But the Psheks for some reason do not recognize this, because they are afraid of their old master. As a state, Poland appeared thanks to the USSR, before the war of 1941-45, Europe only did what divided its territory. The Polish nation was in danger of destruction, the USSR saved Poland and many of its cities, and here we are grateful to them. As they were ungrateful Poles, they remained.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 13 May 2013 19: 41 New
      10
      Even if some of the Polish officers were shot in Katyn before the war (I emphasize that I was shot as befitting an enemy, and not hanged like traitors). During the war, the Nazis in Katyn continued executions. If we say that the NKVD was shot without trial, it’s also a lie - they were convicted and shot like ardent enemies of the USSR.
      I.V. Stalin turned out to be kind and did not give permission for the destruction: Bendera, Vlasov, Kaminsky, forest brothers and other bastards, apparently there was a hope that they would understand and atone for their crimes with their future lives. The result - they not only did not atone for their guilt, but also raised more than one generation of real enemies of Russia. The Poles forgot the civil war of 1918 and tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers brutally tortured in concentration camps by unbearable conditions specially created by the Poles. Shame on Poland as a state and shame on its people!
  12. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 13 May 2013 15: 59 New
    16
    Quote: Manager
    Yes, they have been a mean folk throughout history ...

    And, as a supplement, to all of the above, I will allow myself to bring one more little touch. The name of the largest "death factory" - Auschwitz is notorious all over the world. According to various estimates, about 5 million people were killed by the Nazis in Auschwitz. On January 27, 1945, the concentration camp was liberated by the troops of the 60th Army from the 1st Ukrainian Front. Currently - Memorial-monument-museum dedicated to the victims of Nazism. As it should be in every memorial museum, for the convenience of visitors, there are plates with explanations in English, German, Polish, Arabic, in Hebrew, sorry, EXCEPT RUSSIAN!

    Quote: Manager
    I can not stand them!

    Maxim, you are not alone !!!
  13. V. Ushakov
    V. Ushakov 13 May 2013 16: 09 New
    +2
    For the sake of the rich vanquished - which cannot be done. They themselves do not have enough courage: the Western "Princess Marya Aleksevna" will even suspect sympathy for Russia, make excuses later ... What people have come to, amazing shortsightedness.
  14. xan
    xan 13 May 2013 16: 12 New
    11
    what a blessing my mom gave birth to a Russian, not a Pole
  15. KCC
    KCC 13 May 2013 16: 23 New
    +6
    Relations between Russia and Poland took centuries, and as a result it turned out that the Poles had an inferiority complex with regard to Russia. Now they live with him and try to bite Russia at least in some way, even when they think that they bite Russia, they actually bite themselves, they don’t understand this, well, they’re involved in self-discipline. The main thing that we remember and honor our heroes and our homeland, be it even the USSR, even Russia, it is the same for me.
    1. YuDDP
      YuDDP 13 May 2013 21: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: KCC
      Relations between Russia and Poland took centuries, and as a result it turned out that the Poles had an inferiority complex with regard to Russia.

      Yes, it's true. And here you can read the reasons for this situation - http://istclub.ru/forum/51-krushenie-imperii-russkih-carei/
      The look is non-standard, but it makes you think.
      Indeed, what did the Swedes (!) Forget near Poltava, and the Poles in Moscow?
      Reply by link
  16. shark
    shark 13 May 2013 16: 28 New
    +8
    A miserable, notorious nation of traders. They are similar to our opposites. Probably craving for the west affects the brain in such a way. It's just destructive.
  17. omsbon
    omsbon 13 May 2013 16: 28 New
    +8
    Polish has not disappeared yet
    But down the fetid spirit ..

    They didn’t want to be allies with the Great Power, steel gasket between east and west, but the fate of any gasket is known to all.
  18. mayor46
    mayor46 13 May 2013 16: 38 New
    +2
    the most important thing is that we would not forget that for us May 9! And the Poles and the rest ... they will remember everything as soon as our tanks see European highways.
    1. xan
      xan 13 May 2013 16: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: mayor46
      .all remember as soon as our tanks see European highways.

      why are they needed, they are adult children
      such a spectacle must be earned
      let yourself have
  19. pinecone
    pinecone 13 May 2013 16: 49 New
    +2
    To the distinguished author. The part of Poland that was not annexed to Germany was called the General Government. On Soviet maps, 1940-41, ed. this territory was designated as the "State Interests of Germany".
  20. Larus
    Larus 13 May 2013 17: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Dmitry
    and you do not spare the Polish people, they have betrayed Russia all their lives with the Khokhlams.

    With their participation, the Ukrainians were made and they themselves got it from them later) Such ....
  21. avt
    avt 13 May 2013 17: 25 New
    +4
    Quote: Army1
    D. A. Medvedev noted: “The Katyn tragedy is a consequence of the crime of I. Stalin and a number of his minions. The position of the Russian state on this issue has long been formulated and remains unchanged. "

    Well, here’s like in a television interview when he, thinking that the cameras are not working, said that it’s good that he was stopped, otherwise he can go on talking for a long time laughing Nobody stopped him in Katyn. By the way, ask how the Poles promoted the “Promethean movement,” you see, you will understand who exactly Stalin ordered to be liquidated, but who the Germans finished in the same place and left the bookmark for a long historical game. request - Next on the agenda they have same-sex marriages, they have joined NATO, they have joined the European Union too, which means only the path to homosexual. laughing
  22. wulf66
    wulf66 13 May 2013 18: 13 New
    +1
    Since Victory Day, the Psheks have always been tense in my opinion, if you recall their Soviet film about the tankers and the dog, it’s not clear where the Russians were, while the Germans pshkés finished off and did anyone else get the chances? And their losses ... every nation deserves its own government.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 13 May 2013 19: 31 New
      +3
      And I just recently reviewed the "tankers", now in adulthood I can say with confidence that the cinema is so-so, but the Polish ambition, even there, sticks out from everywhere.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 13 May 2013 22: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: wulf66
      if you recall, their still Soviet film about tankers and a dog,

      The dog was good! repeat
  23. max73
    max73 13 May 2013 18: 17 New
    +3
    and when did the Poles treat Russia and the USSR well? ... at first Russia was the object of Polish aggression, then when we gained strength, the Poles abruptly began to consider us a yoke))) in the first Patriotic War - they put Poniatovsky’s corps, in Civil - how many of our gentry she died in the camps, in another Patriotic War - in the 42nd at the most difficult moment Anders took troops to Iran (although they later fought in Italy). do not expect good from the Poles - you must speak with this people from a position of strength
    1. smoker
      smoker 13 May 2013 20: 07 New
      +2
      inclined to agree - they do not understand for good ... am
  24. knn54
    knn54 13 May 2013 19: 11 New
    +2
    On May 9, the Pan's dream - "Poland from sea to sea", that is, Poland with Lithuania, Latvia and Ukraine - finally came true. What a victory (for them).
    PS The bravest of the brave too often were led by the most infamous of the vile! And yet, two Poland always existed: one fought for the truth, and the other crawled into meanness.
    Winston Churchill.
    PPS And where would that Poland be if the Germans would not attack the USSR, but would fight on the Western Front and Africa ...
  25. Avenger711
    Avenger711 13 May 2013 19: 30 New
    +2
    "There are deceitful people in this country, and for this God gave them a serpentine tongue." Damn this vile country, which the whole of Europe despised and despised.
  26. 123tank
    123tank 13 May 2013 19: 39 New
    +2
    It is difficult to expect anything good from the Poles in our address. Interestingly, in Poland there is such a concept-CONSCIENCE?
  27. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 13 May 2013 19: 40 New
    +5
    Anyone who spits on the graves of their ancestors will end badly. Forget the Poles of their fallen - and to hell with them, with Poles. The main thing is that we and our descendants remember.
  28. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 13 May 2013 19: 44 New
    +3
    Even if some of the Polish officers were shot in Katyn before the war (I emphasize that I was shot as befitting an enemy, and not hanged like traitors). During the war, the Nazis in Katyn continued executions. If we say that the NKVD was shot without trial, it’s also a lie - they were convicted and shot like ardent enemies of the USSR.
    I.V. Stalin turned out to be kind and did not give permission for the destruction: Bendera, Vlasov, Kaminsky, forest brothers and other bastards, apparently there was a hope that they would understand and atone for their crimes with their future lives. The result - they not only did not atone for their guilt, but also raised more than one generation of real enemies of Russia. The Poles forgot the civil war of 1918 and tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers brutally tortured in concentration camps by unbearable conditions specially created by the Poles. Shame on Poland as a state and shame on its people!
  29. deman73
    deman73 13 May 2013 19: 47 New
    +3
    Pshek quickly forget their story and it comes around to them
  30. rauffg
    rauffg 13 May 2013 20: 45 New
    +2
    my urgent dad in Poland served in Legnica (74-76) and told me that the Poles are rotten people.
  31. waisson
    waisson 13 May 2013 20: 49 New
    +1
    the old youth had some heroes who fought evil .... the current one is probably other batman and spiderman
  32. skullcap
    skullcap 13 May 2013 21: 07 New
    +5
    The Poles are a miserable people. This is a part of the Slavic tribe of the field, from which their current name was derived.
    But Polamzdorovo was unlucky in life: the Vatican established its merciless yoke and, after centuries of lobotomy, turned this people into its living talking weapon (weapon) that dragged chestnuts out of the fire to its owner.
    The materials posted in the magazine "Atenay" of the year 3 ago, testify that the Polish people remember their Slavic lineage and also lead the information war. However, the "elite" of Poland was reborn almost completely, falling into the spiritual slavery of the Vatican. Her whole tragedy lies in this: they cannot forgive Russia (the spiritual slave doesn’t dare think of the master) that the West, represented by Hitler, did not take them as another robber march on Russia as accomplices. What they very much hoped for, tearing together Czechoslovakia with the fascists, and determined them in the position of slaves: Slavs-Untermensch. They consider themselves a brilliant detachment of European civilization. Their ambition does not allow them to accept it, and spiritual slavery does not give courage to admit that this is the decision of their masters. To which they are so devoted!
    I do not know what it is called in medicine, but there is a split in the consciousness of this “elite”, hence all the political illnesses of this society.
    Therefore, in no way can seriously be offended by them - they must be pitied.
    A vivid example of the inadequacy of the assessment of the historical realities of the Polish "elite" is the attitude towards the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, its hysterical condemnation.
    Meanwhile, the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact is an act of preparing the salvation of mankind from fascism. Stalin was simply forced to agree with him, because he saw perfectly where the democrats were bending in collusion with the Nazis, and his duty was to defend the interests of his country, and at the same time he defended the interests of the whole world. Especially the Poles.
    For some reason I cannot understand the inadequate attitude of the Poles to this treaty and personally to Comrade Stalin. After all, what would have happened if Stalin had shown himself to be a weep-killer, and had not followed the Polish example, when Poland, with Hitler, shared Czechoslovakia? And you would not go to meet the aspirations of the Baltic peoples to join the USSR?
    Then the border of the USSR with Germany would be on 600 km closer to Moscow, and Leningrad from now sovereign Estonia would be just 150 kilometers - two or three days for German tanks. Then Leningrad would be captured in the first days of the war. The troops of the North group, having freed themselves, would have participated in the storming of Moscow, which guaranteedly could not withstand the united enemy groups.
    It is difficult to say how the fate of the Russian people resettled by the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line would have been formed under such a development of events, but the fate of the Polish people would have been decided by the Nazis according to their plan completely and finally. In this case, no one would have problems with Poland now. This is Russia - “the prison of nations” (although in reality it is a hostel with all its joys and inconveniences), and Europe is a cemetery of nations. Until now, I can not find a complete list of cut-off peoples living in Europe (similar to Prussians, Veneds, etc.). It would be: there are people - there are problems, there are no people - there are no problems.
    In fairness: the Poles to Stalin for the fact that he preserved their people, monuments should be erected throughout the country (I’m not talking about returning the lost Polish lands, the loss of which the Poles themselves have long accepted).
    1. YuDDP
      YuDDP 13 May 2013 22: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: kosopuz
      This is part of the Slavic tribe. gladefrom which their current name sprang.

      But with this I do not agree. "Glade" is something from a series of goblins and elves - fantasy.
      In fact, everything is simpler: we stand in the center of the settlement and leave it, we pass the outskirts (Ukraine), outside the outskirts of the field (Poland). I can ask a rhetorical question: what is the name of the center now called?
      Although if glades call the collective farmers of those times when these names were formed (Ukraine, Poland), then this is the right name.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 13 May 2013 22: 38 New
      0
      Quote: kosopuz
      In fairness: the Poles to Stalin for the fact that he preserved their people, monuments should be erected throughout the country (I’m not talking about returning the lost Polish lands, the loss of which the Poles themselves have long accepted).

      So everything is not enough for them! Lviv over there belongs to Ukraine, and there is also "a little" there. I wonder if they will return Lviv to calm down? laughing
    3. Fofan
      Fofan 13 May 2013 22: 51 New
      0
      poor unfortunate Poles .... everyone lives according to his deserts.
      no less unfortunate forum users sent a damn cloud of messages, but what didn’t they mention here? http://rusblog31.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/blog-post_5148.html?
      Stalin made a mistake only 1 time, but before that he avoided the creation of a coalition of the West against how then the luminaries of democracy called the USSR "the red plague". and it was thanks to Stalin that Hitler first "threw" the entire geyrop and only then the USSR.
  33. A. Yaga
    A. Yaga 13 May 2013 23: 25 New
    +3
    It should be recalled that in World War II, more than 6 million Poles died, including the Nazis turned to ashes in their concentration camps three million Polish citizens of Jewish descent.

    An obscure phrase. So including, or 6 million Poles and 3 million Jews.
    In any case, about the number of Jews is very similar to nonsense. According to pre-war censuses in European countries, incl. in the USSR, Jews lived throughout Europe and the USSR a little more than 6 million. According to post-war censuses - a little less than 6 million. Jews themselves declared the Holocaust at 6 million, i.e. Jews died more than was available.
    Of course, there were Poles saving Jews, but not the Germans caught the Jews in Poland. This was done by the Poles.
  34. Aljavad
    Aljavad 13 May 2013 23: 36 New
    0
    but I feel sorry for the tankers Janek, Guslik, Grigory and the dog Sharik on the Rudy tank
    1. 120352
      120352 14 May 2013 01: 02 New
      0
      I understand you! I am also very sorry for Sharik. But Muhammad hated dogs because they prevented him from robbing caravans.
  35. Nordwest
    Nordwest 14 May 2013 00: 01 New
    -2
    The Poles remember and know everything, and also understand that living only by the memory of the war will lead to nothing. Those who then arranged everything long ago have disappeared, Nazism has been condemned, but now they will not think only about what happened and do nothing so that this does not happen again.
  36. 120352
    120352 14 May 2013 01: 00 New
    0
    The vector of their development has finally been determined. In 5-10 years there will be joint "Days of Mourning" with the Balts. And the symbolism will be changed. Difficult in our Slavic world! If you do not unite with the common idea of ​​Pan-Slavism, you may have to fight each other. But all this must be done carefully, otherwise we will get the opposite effect.
  37. stranik72
    stranik72 14 May 2013 04: 59 New
    0
    Poland was NEVER loyal to Russia, therefore this fact needs to be recognized and not complex in this regard. Eternal prostitute - Europe, so it was and is so.
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