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Is China getting ready to take over the world? ("Atlantico", France)

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Is China getting ready to take over the world? ("Atlantico", France)

In relations between China and India, there has been a dangerous exacerbation after the invasion of Chinese soldiers into the border zone of Ladakh three weeks ago, in which Beijing has views. Such aggressive behavior confuses, especially against the background of the renewal of the ruling Beijing elite and the rapid increase in the defense budget. What is this evidence of China's hegemonic plans for the future?


Atlantico: In early March, China announced an 10,7% increase in its defense budget, which thus reaches 720,2 billion yuan (88,8 billion euro). We are talking about the world's largest defense expenditures, which are only behind the costs of the United States. In addition, some experts believe that China’s real military spending far exceeds the declared figures. What strategy does Beijing follow if it allocates such funds for defense? What is the reason for the increase in this budget?

Jean-Vincent Brisset: For several years now, various “specialists” have presented clever calculations to prove that Beijing’s official military spending actually needs to be multiplied by two, five, or even eight times. In fact, the main thing is to understand the format in which China sees its armed forces. And what he wants to turn them.

Let's throw away all empty arguments and start from an indisputable fact: China intends to become one of the strongest military powers and get at its disposal funds that will correspond to its economic power. The program adopted in the country until 2030, most likely, is based on the protection of the sovereignty of its territory, as well as the formation of a powerful fleetwho will be able to conduct operations away from its shores. Thus, he needs to be able to block any foreign force from accessing Chinese waters, which, in the perception of leadership, extend almost to the center of the Pacific Ocean. The main enemy from this point of view are American aircraft carriers. The implementation of this scheme requires the air force, which is able to control airspace throughout the zone. The tasks of the land army are limited to protecting the borders and fighting the internal enemy.

Pierre Picard: China is a future great world power and a developed state. In this perspective, it needs a modern army to defend its territory and prevent the formation of anti-Chinese coalitions. In addition, he wants to protect air and sea transport routes, which are inextricably linked with the supply of raw materials, resources and energy. Finally, Beijing intends to play a prominent role in the international arena (which is already evident in the example of sending peacekeepers) and to establish its status as a great power. The increase in defense spending is also associated with the general growth of the Chinese budget, spending on health care, education, science, the work of government departments, etc. The Chinese economy is growing, and it boasts a significant budget surplus.

Beijing is investing heavily in the development of the armed forces. His task and goal is to form a powerful army (fleet, ground forces, air force), which will have the necessary facilities and technologies (ports, training of qualified engineers, submarines, bombers, ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads, cruisers ...). China wants to be able to give a hard answer if necessary.

- As follows from an article published in March by 21 in the Swiss edition of Le Temps, China weaves a real “marine network” all over the world, particularly in Africa, Europe and Asia. It is likely to be part of his military strategy. What could be the consequences of the Chinese presence off the coast of three continents?

Jean-Vincent Brisset: A few decades ago, China began building a variety of offshore facilities, from port facilities to tracking and / or listening centers. Today, this “pearl necklace” extends from the South China Sea to the Gulf of Aden: a few hundred years ago, Admiral Zheng He's expedition followed this route. Although today some observers are trying to present everything as a conquest, he pursued primarily trade objectives. Now to these "pearls" in friendly countries are added a variety of objects (in most cases, these are freight terminals).

China of the 21st century is building strategic plans for the sea. And creates the necessary means for their implementation. For a long time now, his desire for dominion of the sea will be limited to part of the Pacific Ocean and the South China Sea. Thus, its military capabilities outside this zone are small. From a military point of view, they are limited to protecting supply lines and citizens, as we have already seen off the coast of Somalia and Libya, and are not aimed at active actions. As a result, the importance of tracking centers is not so great. Objects in various ports facilitate rare remote operations, but are primarily associated with the country's position as the largest manufacturer of merchant ships and one of their main operators.

- Is China today more concerned about its military might than it was 30 years ago?

Jean-Vincent Brisset: Over the past 30 years, attitudes toward military power in China have undergone significant changes. In 1983, Mao was already dead, including politically. At that moment, Deng Xiaoping officially made the People’s Liberation the last of the “four modernizations”. Since then, much has changed. The current leaders realize that diplomatic influence is largely based on military capabilities. Understanding the situation is directly related to the war in the Persian Gulf, during which it became apparent that the Chinese equipment that was in the possession of Saddam Hussein was completely outdated.

The People’s Liberation Army of the 1990 model of the year for the most part consisted of militias with a small number of relatively professional units. 20 years later, staff was halved, and the budget grew fourfold. However, it still remains a “poor” army, as it spends only 25 000 dollars on a soldier per year (salary, training, uniform and armament). For comparison: in France, this figure is 230 000 dollars per year, and in the US - 450 000 dollars.

- The United States is the strongest world power from an economic and military point of view. Should they be seen as a threat to an increase in the Chinese defense budget?

Jean-Vincent Brisset: The main question now is not how much China is increasing its military budget, but how it intends to take advantage of this abundance of funds that have recently been sent to armies its army. The increase in spending over the past 20 years looks very significant, but you still need to pay attention to the fact that for the most part the funds were spent on improving the living conditions of the military, rather than the technical modernization of the army.

If there is any threat to the United States, it does not come from more than a relative expansion of Chinese military capabilities through the prism of the budget, but from new plans for the Pacific Ocean, which the Peking leadership openly demonstrates. Since the end of World War II, Washington, as an ally of Tokyo and Seoul, has always enjoyed the complete freedom of movement in the waters directly off the coast of mainland China. Now Beijing seeks to challenge this freedom and superiority. At the moment, everything does not go beyond loud statements, but in the future the situation may lead to aggressive actions by pilots or sailors who may not have the necessary technical skills to perform the task effectively. This has already happened in the past, and in no case can one discard the risk of escalation.

- What are the military areas of priority for Beijing?

Jean-Vincent Brisset: Since the beginning of the Mao era, despite all the talk about "paper tigers", priority has been given to nuclear and missile forces. Only they managed to avoid suicidal madness, which resulted in the Great Leap and the Cultural Revolution. For many decades, the land army was at the forefront in conventional armed forces, which served as a graphic confirmation of the definition of “popular”. Moreover, from an administrative point of view, she enjoyed an advantage over other arms. Since then, everything has changed a lot.

The fleet, or rather the entire fleet with the exception of coastal formations, began to isolate itself from the end of the 1970s under the wise guidance of Liu Huakin. At that moment he was in the priority position. This priority yielded concrete results: we are talking about the launching of an aircraft carrier in the media, which so far has not been of particular value in terms of operations, and the much less noticeable but much more important formation of the fleet of modern submarines. The air force is also being upgraded, although they have mostly obsolete equipment at their disposal. Airplanes of the “fifth generation”, around which so many questions have recently arisen, are more likely not even prototypes, but certain demonstration models.

In addition, the People’s Liberation Army made both informational and actual emphasis on the development of asymmetric military capabilities, from the militarization of space to cyber attacks. However, a real demonstration is still required to prove their operational efficiency.

Pierre Picard: The Chinese army receives new technologies and fighter jets, such as the F14, whereas at the beginning of the year the fleet had the first atomic submarine. It is the largest army in the world with 1 personnel in 250 000 people. The military budget for 2015 year will be 238 billion dollars with an increase in 18,5%. It needs to be compared with other powers, such as the USA, and some Asian countries (Japan, Thailand ...), which also boast large defense budgets.

- Does such an emphasis on the development of military power serve China as a way to establish itself in international politics?

Jean-Vincent Brisset: After 40 years of ideological discourse on the "national" character of the Chinese army, the country's leadership realized the need for a new direction to establish the country's military power. The financial and material resources that have been allocated for more than ten years now serve as proof of this desire for power through change. Be that as it may, recent behavior indicates rather a lack of maturity in making decisions regarding this modernization, rather than real confirmation of certain opportunities in the international arena.

Pierre Picard: By 2016, China will become the strongest economic power in the world. Any country has two tasks during development: it wants to avoid external aggression and, thus, feels the need for modern means. The Chinese army has ceased to correspond to the results achieved by the country. Today, Beijing does not feel threatened, but wants to play a prominent role in the international arena, seeks to form an army that would correspond to its status as a world economic power. He needs to carry out cultural and political reforms, as well as to form an adequate defense policy. To win, the Chinese can use several military strategies. Be that as it may, China usually prefers takeovers and negotiations rather than outright conflict.

Jean-Vincent Brisset (Jean-Vincent Brisset), director of the Institute for International and Strategic Studies.

Pierre Picquart, PhD in geopolitics from the University of Paris-VIII, international expert, specialist in geography and China.
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  1. taseka
    taseka 12 May 2013 07: 13
    12
    "However, usually China prefers takeovers and negotiations over direct conflict." - If we look at how many of them are in our Far East, then I believe about their "absorption"
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 12 May 2013 08: 10
      19
      Quote: taseka
      then I believe about their "absorption"

      This is still called a "peaceful" term - "infiltration". In which case, there is no fundamental difference how many citizens of the country are in another territory, 10 people or one hundred pizzas from thousand. Creating a slave for China. places, especially in the extractive industry and "creating" conditions for the development of agriculture. THE CHINAISOVSKY industry, the authorities at all levels are drowning even more in dependence on "FRIENDSHIP" with China.
      The "raw material" swamp is dragging on, without the development of its production in the Far East, it will be more and more impossible to refuse supplies to the "house" every year. Food "problems" are also added, which can be manipulated intelligently. And even more so, when "tightening the screws" in relation to narrow-eyed migrants, the Chinese leadership has additional leverage over Russia. Vicious circle . ... ...
      At the "Heh" hour, what prevents, to announce "measures to protect their citizens", following the example of amerovskoy measures to rescue any (their) "diplomats" from many countries.
      This is where you need a hundred thousand pizzas "saboteurs." ... ...
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 12 May 2013 08: 16
      -9
      Quote: taseka
      If we look at how many of them are in our Far East

      how many are there in our Far East? how many?give the exact number !!!everyone says - HOW MUCH CHINESE ON DV belay but exactly how many Chinese people in the Far East do not speak. so how many are there? many? and how many are how many?

      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 12 May 2013 08: 39
        +6
        Quote: djon3volta
        how many are there? many? and how many are how many?


        In the expert community, the most reliable assessment is 300-500 thousand, a maximum of 800 thousand people. First brought these numbers V.G. Gelbras back in 2001 year. The advantage of his assessment is that it is derived as a result of analysis as a sum of estimates of the number of Chinese in various cities and regions of the country.

        So, the author of the article “Perspectives of Sinization of Russia” in one of the issues of the quite reputable journal “Russian Federation Today” is a doctor of economics at the Diplomatic Academy of Peace at UNESCO E. Gilbo estimated the number of Chinese in Russia at 8 million people. According to him, "Chinese communities autonomously live in forests where even extortion police officers do not go around." He is predicts an increase in the number of Chinese in the Russian Federation "given the high natural growth in the Chinese community" to 21 million by 2010, 44 million by 2020, etc.
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 12 May 2013 09: 07
          -8
          Quote: Rustiger
          up to 21 million by 2010, 44 million by 2020, etc.

          these Gilbo and Gelbras directly conducted a census of the Chinese population? laughing and went to the forest believed the Chinese? laughing
          1. Patriot of Russia
            Patriot of Russia 12 May 2013 11: 08
            +5
            djon3volta "how much to hang in grams" is about your brain. Now tell us what a good Putler is, how shocking everything is here and how much NUCLEUS has done for the country. in general, all that badag that you have been scratching here every day and tirelessly for half a year
            1. Nick
              Nick 12 May 2013 12: 08
              +6
              Quote: Patriot of Russia
              djon3volta "how much to hang in grams" is about your brain. Now tell us what a good Putler is, how shocking everything is here and how much NUCLEUS has done for the country. in general, all that badag that you have been scratching here every day and tirelessly for half a year

              And you already got your "... oh, how bad we are ..."
            2. Troitsky
              Troitsky 12 May 2013 12: 42
              +1
              and you, as I see, did not miss the chance to screw up on "Putler" :)
              do you work?
          2. 53-Sciborskiy
            53-Sciborskiy 12 May 2013 15: 24
            +9
            The Chinese, with an ever-growing population, will have to do something militarily. Little land, many Chinese. We are neighbors with huge reserves of natural resources, a large territory. It becomes not comfortable from such a neighborhood. We need a strong army and navy with the most modern weapons.
            1. Free Island
              Free Island 12 May 2013 17: 41
              -2
              elementary - open Google, look at satellite images. in China there is not less empty land than in Russia, so this is another horror story and hysteria.
              1. Egen
                Egen 13 May 2013 11: 32
                +1
                Quote: Free Island
                elementary - open Google, watch satellite images

                even more elementary - we fly by plane from Beijing in any direction, at least east, even south, there is not a meter of unused land under the wing :)
                Although if you go by car between Beijing and Qingdao, there are mountains there - yes, they have undeveloped cliffs :)
          3. Free Island
            Free Island 12 May 2013 17: 40
            +2
            do not bother people who are afraid of the Chinese and do not break their true faith in the Sinification of Russia :)))
          4. Egen
            Egen 13 May 2013 11: 28
            0
            Quote: djon3volta
            and went to the forest believed the Chinese?

            about a week ago there was an article here on the forum and we have counted the Chinese in Siberia :)
            http://topwar.ru/27685-sibir-kitaycev-ne-prelschaet.html
        2. Nazrug
          Nazrug 12 May 2013 10: 59
          +4
          Gilbo screwed up, at least as far as 2010, what will happen in 2020, we'll see)) By the way, such analysts are here half of the site)
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta 12 May 2013 12: 07
            -7
            Quote: Nazrug
            such analysts here is the floor of the site)

            that's for sure, they are on all without exception, there are sites. The largest concentration of such experts is on opposition sites, there are about 93-98% of them, these sites are all known and it is not necessary to remind them. The Internet has been occupied by such people for a long time, there are a lot of them from over the hillock, not a few from Russia, unfortunately, the advantage is on their side, but the advantage online only, in REAL it is the other way around, these defeatists are a few percent of all, but the bulk in Moscow hang out next to the swamp area.
        3. Kyrgyz
          Kyrgyz 12 May 2013 17: 33
          +4
          Quote: Rustiger
          In the expert community, the most reliable assessment is 300-500 thousand, a maximum of 800 thousand people.

          I’ve been to the Far East and in Siberia and Yakutia more than once, there aren’t so many of them there, in Moscow, but we don’t, I say again that this is nonsense, the Chinese are people too and are not ready to live in Siberia with the same opportunities to live and work where warmer and more dough.
          We have more Tajiks and Uzbeks than the Chinese, but no one is discussing the Tajik and Uzbek takeover
          1. Egen
            Egen 13 May 2013 11: 36
            +1
            Quote: Kyrgyz
            More than once I was in the Far East and in eastern Siberia and Yakutia, there aren’t so many of them

            Roman, I’ll repeat again - and we live here, and a week ago, here on the forum the Chinese were counted :)
        4. Free Island
          Free Island 12 May 2013 17: 39
          +3
          2001 data are not relevant :) I repeat - when they were banned from open trading behind the shelves and in the markets they immediately made legs from here.
          1. Egen
            Egen 13 May 2013 11: 40
            +1
            Quote: Egen
            when they were banned from open trading behind the shelves and in the markets they immediately made legs from here

            who to whom? Oh well, we have even more of them in the markets! Well, there’s a type of Russian host who hires them, but it's like ..
      2. Free Island
        Free Island 12 May 2013 17: 38
        +4
        the fact of the matter is that little :))) especially after in 2007, foreigners were forbidden by law to stand behind counters, trays, and so on. They immediately washed off from here))))) there remained small groups that repair shoes, make keys and repair and construction teams)))) there are many more Tajik-Uzbek-Kyrgyz in Russia and the Far East than the Chinese.
    3. honest jew
      honest jew 12 May 2013 12: 47
      0
      Russia intends to offer China a number of joint projects and is ready to discuss the participation of Chinese investors in mining in Russia, First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov said in an interview with Chinese media
      1. knn54
        knn54 12 May 2013 13: 39
        +2
        honest Jew: Russia intends to offer China a number of joint projects.
        That's when the developed infrastructure appears - highways and railways, power plants, power lines, oil and gas pipelines, etc. etc. - Then wait for the adversary. The Japanese and Yankees to Siberia and the Far East (Kuril Islands-check for weakness) also sharpen their teeth.
    4. MG42
      MG42 12 May 2013 15: 40
      +5
      Quote: taseka
      If we look at how many there are in our Far East, then I believe about their "absorption"

      Even if the Chinese surrender = this will also be a huge problem for any country (2 people on active PLA service) lol , to feed this horde, and if reservists are also mobilized >>> in wartime, theoretically (without taking into account the restrictions on material support) up to 60 million people can be mobilized.
    5. Free Island
      Free Island 12 May 2013 17: 36
      +5
      there are none in our Far East. Rather, there is, but no mass migration! it is a fact. I speak as a resident of the Far East :))) all these are scarecrows and horror stories for the European part of Russia. But the fact that the Russians buy housing in China and move there to live is for sure. So who populates whom it is still necessary to think)))
    6. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 01: 22
      +1
      FIRST, THE OPINION SHOULD BE ASKED FOR US. And then to think, Without Russia, there’s no way. It won’t be like that, and if it does, we’ll play an arbitrator.
    7. Fire
      Fire 13 May 2013 21: 52
      0
      “In such a city as far from Primorye as Yekaterinburg today, out of a total of 1,5 million population, the share of Chinese already amounts to 300 thousand people, that is, one-fifth! What can we say about Vladivostok ?! factor like population assimilation. "
      http://zema.inet-site.ru/blog/kitaitsy-na-dalnem-vostoke
    8. earthling
      earthling 14 May 2013 19: 00
      0
      Russian publicist Alexander Khramchikhin claims that the capture of Siberia for China is not a whim, but a vital necessity. Similar estimates are put forward by the American political scientist, sociologist and statesman Zbigniew Brzezinski: “The economic power of China, coupled with the dynamic energy of its 1,2 billion people, significantly change the historical equation between the two countries, taking into account the uninhabited territories of Siberia, almost calling for Chinese development. [18] "
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%E8%F2%E0%E9%F6%FB_%E2_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E8
  2. taseka
    taseka 12 May 2013 07: 16
    14
    We are rearming, China is rearming, the United States is increasing missile defense and bases around us and creating a "belt" of loyal satellites - shitty thoughts climb into my head !!!
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 12 May 2013 12: 39
      11
      We are trying to rearm, and China is arming!
      There is a difference?
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 12 May 2013 15: 48
        0

        What's on the forehead, what's on the forehead = is there a difference?

        **** Be that as it may, usually China prefers takeover and negotiation rather than direct conflict. ****

        China has been in poverty for a very long time! And now, when he is one step away from becoming a Great Country, I do not believe that China will go to some dubious scams!
        I'd like to live in the sun!

        And what would you do in their place?
      2. Free Island
        Free Island 12 May 2013 17: 44
        0
        Grad and the psychological aspect has not been canceled. Many Chinese participants in the conflict on Domansky Island are still washing their pants in psychiatric clinics. Then there were a lot of them too and they hoped for it. However, nothing happened. Plus, we look at the border of China and Russia - this border is very small, so that the whole crowd will not crawl together at once (remember the Domansky island). So for a start they will have to occupy Kazakhstan, Mongolia and so on.
  3. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 12 May 2013 07: 18
    +9
    While life shows that it is France and NATO allies who are kindling a military conflagration in the world and seizing lost colonies, neo-colonialism is gaining strength. So who strives for world domination shows life, and not the conclusions of paid "analysts"
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 07: 36
      +7
      All Western countries are very fond of shedding tears crocodiles. A strong China is good for us, but only as long as butting with the United States.
      1. AK-47
        AK-47 12 May 2013 11: 53
        +6
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        A strong China is good for us, but only as long as butting with the United States.

        So it’s still bad.
        1. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 13: 45
          0
          Quote: AK-47
          So it’s still bad.

          At the moment, it's good, and the Russian Federation is actively cooperating with India, which has a lot of ground with China, there is a balance in case China turns in our direction. But in fact, this will not happen, because the PRC with growing power will oust the United States, so the butting will continue for a very long time, if the USA loses in this butting, they will simply go down in history. Then if the United States "peacefully" surrenders all its zones of influence, then expect trouble.
          1. AK-47
            AK-47 12 May 2013 16: 30
            +2
            Quote: Phantom Revolution
            ... if the United States "peacefully" surrenders all its zones of influence, then expect trouble.

            It is better not to wait, not to promote the development of China, the existing balance is preferable to the unpredictable actions of China in the future.
  4. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 12 May 2013 07: 32
    +9
    The Chinese have already settled so much in Russia that if something happens it will be a huge army of saboteurs. There are also millions of them around the world. I very much doubt their peaceful intentions, this is just a hidden occupation.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 12 May 2013 08: 10
      -3
      there are no Chinese in our city, not a single Chinese at all, we have zero Chinese,I speak for my city in which I live.if you are afraid of Chinese deversants, then I am not afraid of Chinese deversants.
      I want to ask my favorite question again - when the Chinese will occupy us, capture us or something else, tell us.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 12 May 2013 08: 29
        11
        Look in Khabarovsk, Blagoveshchensk, Vladivostok and other cities and towns of the Far East. Perhaps your opinion will change.
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 12 May 2013 09: 03
          -9
          Quote: aszzz888
          Look in Khabarovsk, Blagoveshchensk, Vladivostok

          you offer me to go through all of Russia to specifically to visit Khabarovsk, Blagoveshchensk, and Vladivostok and see how many there are? and that there are no people from these cities on this forum? Let them tell me why I’ll go for 5-7 thousand km? You suggest nonsense.
          1. Babon
            Babon 12 May 2013 10: 24
            +8
            djon3volta
            Do you use something heavy every day?
            1. evgenii67
              evgenii67 12 May 2013 12: 02
              +7
              Quote: Babon
              djon3volta
              Do you use something heavy every day?

              Severe is the news at first
        2. Free Island
          Free Island 12 May 2013 17: 48
          +2
          I look and what? where are the millions of Chinese occupiers ?????
      2. Gemar
        Gemar 12 May 2013 09: 01
        11
        Quote: djon3volta
        there are no Chinese in our city, not a single Chinese at all, we have zero Chinese

        Have you read Zoshchenko's story "The Cat and the People"?
        My stove is very bad. My whole family will always die through her. And the devil’s jacket refuses to make repairs. Saves. For another waste.
        They examined this stove of mine just now. The views looked. They dived inward with their heads.
        “No,” they say. “You can live.”
        “Comrades,” I say, “it’s a shame to say such words: you can live.” We will always burn through your stove. Just now, the cat was even mad. She was sick right now by the bucket. And you say - you can live.
        The chairman of the jakta says:
        “Then,” he says, “we will arrange an experiment now and see if your stove burns out.”
        We flooded the stove. Settled around her. We are sitting. Sniff. So, by the viewer, the chairman sat, so was the secretary Griboedov, and so, on my bed, the treasurer. Soon, of course, fumes began to sweep around the room.
        The chairman sniffed and said:
        - Nope. Not felt. There is a warm spirit, and nothing more.
        Treasurer, toad, says:
        “It’s a great atmosphere.” And you can smell it. The head through this does not weaken. I, - says, - in the apartment the atmosphere stinks worse, and I, - says, - I will not whine in vain. And here the spirit is absolutely equal.
        I say:
        - But how, have mercy, smooth. Avon is flowing like gas.
        The Chairperson says:
        - Call the cat. If the cat sits quietly, it means that there’s not a damn thing. The animal is always selfless in this. This is not a man. You can rely on her.
        A cat comes. Sits down on the bed. Sitting quietly. And, of course, quietly - she is somewhat accustomed.
        “No,” says the chairman, “we apologize.”
        Suddenly the treasurer swayed in bed and said:
        “I need, you know, to hurry on business.”
        And he comes to the window and breathes into the crack. And he stands green and sways right on his feet.
        The Chairperson says:
        - Now let's go.
        I pulled him away from the window.
        - So, - I say, - it is impossible to build an examination.
        He says:
        - You are welcome. I can move away. Your air is quite useful to me. Healthy air. I can’t do the repair for you. The stove is normal.
        And half an hour later, when this same chairman was put on a stretcher and then pulled the stretcher into the ambulance, I talked to him.
        I say:
        - Well, how?
        “No,” he says, “there will be no repair.” You can live.
        They didn’t fix it.
        Where are the Chinese ??? belay I do not see the Chinese! Show me your fingers on the Chinese! wassat THIS IS ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS. I live in Primorye. Before that, he lived for almost ten years in the PRC. READ CAREFULLY DEAR RUSTIGER:
        Quote: Rustiger
        E. Gilbo estimated the number of Chinese in Russia at 8 million people. According to him, "Chinese communities autonomously live in forests where even extortion police officers do not go around."

        And they really live far from "civilization." I myself know about such villages that were abandoned by the Russians and! Ransomed! the Chinese.
        Threat Now just do not ask - where are the villages? I do not see the villages! Show me the villages! negative
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 12 May 2013 09: 36
          10
          Quote: Gamar
          And they really live far from "civilization." I myself know about such villages that were abandoned by the Russians and! Ransomed! the Chinese.
          Threat Now just do not ask - where are the villages? I do not see the villages! Show me the villages!

          I remember a month ago, Sergei, we were already grinding this topic. And more than once. Then I wrote about such settlements "which are not visible." And about which I heard not from the "Guilbo and Gelbras" but from my classmates Chernyshev and Grishin, who served in those parts of the air defense and PV.
          It's easier for me to break through the wall with a lobster in half a day, than to chew such stubborn things as "three-roll john" obvious things. ... ...

          You can also look here -
          http://onolitegi.ru/index.php/2010-02-03-17-38-52/42-political-analyzis/92-chine


          se-go-home.html


          http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/525069/

          http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/779018/

          In general, such a network - elephants heaps !!! He who has eyes, let him see. . .
          And with djon3volta we are like a fellow countrywoman, I will "bring him a hundred kitais", ts. with home delivery. Yes, I'll leave / register there. ... ...
          Let them "be friends" laughing
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 12 May 2013 09: 57
            +6
            Quote: Rustiger
            He who has eyes, let him see. . .
            And with djon3volta we are like a fellow countrywoman, I will "bring him a hundred kitais", ts. with home delivery.

            Or maybe he just does not know how the Chinese look? Maybe he thinks they look like blacks ??? So a man lives in full confidence that the Motherland can sleep peacefully. Will enter the Chinese market - some are black, there are no Chinese! Lepota!
            Quote: Rustiger
            You can also look here -

            hi Read. +++
            1. Patriot of Russia
              Patriot of Russia 12 May 2013 12: 29
              +3
              Quote: Gamar
              Will enter the Chinese market - some are black, there are no Chinese! Lepota!

              yes djon3volta itself seems to be one of these ...
              1. Gemar
                Gemar 12 May 2013 14: 00
                -1
                Quote: Patriot of Russia
                yes djon3volta itself seems to be one of these ...

                You flatter him ... wink
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        2. AK-47
          AK-47 12 May 2013 16: 43
          +2
          Quote: Gamar
          Read the story Zoshchenko ...

          +++++++++++
          Thank you cheered, got to the point, I love Zoshchenko.
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 12 May 2013 20: 19
            0
            Quote: AK-47
            Thank you cheered, got to the point, I love Zoshchenko.

            Glad to! drinks + + +
            For a long time I was looking for other authors writing in a similar genre, but most of all it resembles Zoshchenko ... Bulgakov! Oddly enough, but only his stories I could confuse with Zoshchenko himself. If interested, read Bulgakov’s small feuilleton - I highly recommend it! hi
            1. AK-47
              AK-47 12 May 2013 21: 41
              +1
              Quote: Gamar
              Glad to!

              Zoshchenko.
              I was especially struck by his "Stories about the Partisans" in particular the story about "The Elusive Detachment of Comrade Herman" written in 1947.
              Thanks for the recommendation.
      3. AK-47
        AK-47 12 May 2013 12: 02
        +6
        Quote: djon3volta
        ... when the Chinese occupy us, capture us or something else, tell us.

        Then it will be too late, you will see everything from the window, the main thing is do not lean out.
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 12 May 2013 13: 40
          -2
          Quote: AK-47
          Then it will be too late

          and when will this happen? at least tell me, in a year, in 10 years, when? when it will be too late, I want to know laughing
          1. AK-47
            AK-47 12 May 2013 16: 56
            +2
            Quote: djon3volta
            and when will this happen? at least tell me, in a year, in 10 years, when? when it’s too late, I want to know

            One predictor set us the future.
            After three years, seven months, twenty-six days, do not believe me, prove it.
          2. Egen
            Egen 13 May 2013 11: 46
            0
            Quote: djon3volta
            and when will this happen? at least tell me

            namely, the article states that China will soon become the first in the world in economics, but did not find anything to judge from, and when will it be the first in military affairs, and whether it should be the first or enough for the tenth .. .
      4. smile
        smile 12 May 2013 16: 17
        +2
        djon3volta
        Zhenya, you know, even we have them in Kaliningrad .... some with our citizenship live compactly, but about a year ago I was surprised to learn about a hundred illegal immigrants working at a garment factory in one of the regional towns ... this is with us Something, with our borders, Karatsups and their faithful dogs Scarlet ... :))))
      5. Free Island
        Free Island 12 May 2013 17: 47
        0
        Trivolt :)))) I look at you all minus and minus :)) people who are used to horror stories about the Chinese just can’t believe that they don’t have a mass population of yellow-footed brothers in the Far East :))) because of minus: ))) they apparently like they are afraid of someone, and if they are afraid of not someone they just take anger from that and minus :))))) even the fact that a resident of the Far East tells them that they don’t have any mass Chinese in the Far East argument)))
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 12 May 2013 18: 34
          0
          Quote: Free Island
          that no mass China in the Far East has no argument for them)))

          Yes, I already understood, those who spread these scarecrows, because as a rule they don’t live there, and they know what they see on YouTube))) they saw one video, and it all started.
          Quote: smile
          surprised to learn about a hundred illegal immigrants

          and a hundred illegal immigrants to 430 thousandth city is a lot? ))) you want to find 100 illegal immigrants in 430 thousandth Kaliningrad, because you can’t find it))) well, count it, am I wrong? lol
          1. smile
            smile 12 May 2013 18: 48
            0
            djon3volta
            Zhenya, this is me, by the way ... I'm just surprised. that they even got to us ... that’s just what I know ... by the way, I support you quite often, well, you’re all original ... :))). and in this case too ... but still you should not close your eyes to the obvious ...
    2. Egen
      Egen 13 May 2013 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: vjatsergey
      it's just a hidden occupation

      no, just a non-linear war strategy :)
  5. Rustiger
    Rustiger 12 May 2013 07: 42
    +7
    That's about "breaking in not childishly" to the Indians is unlikely. This article or provocation of the West or a distraction from reality. These "termite mounds" have a similar army power, and in the event of an open conflict, such processes will begin that are not directly related to military activities (migration / refugees) that the economies will choke on the need to solve these "troubles", together with the military.
    China is more interested in invading the Far East simply for objective reasons. The point is that China cannot survive without expanding its territory. The Chinese will seriously deal with Russia, they themselves do not even hide it. China will start the war without hesitation if they feel either the weakness of Russia or their readiness to "cross the border by the river."
    The “cooperation” between Russia and China in the economic sphere is nothing more than preparation for the capture of Siberia and the Far East. Russia already de jure gave the Chinese the raw material base of the Far East and Eastern Siberia. The Russians, together with the Chinese, are developing Russian deposits, and processing and manufacturing enterprises are being built on Chinese territory. Of course, narrow-eyed actively participate in the acquisition of deposits around the world, but the most economical way of delivering raw materials is from Russia.
    The Chinese are hastily embarking on the construction of border checkpoints, bridges, roads to deposits, brick factories, and housing for workers. They really need our deposits. This is all done in order to export our raw materials to China and process them there, and in exchange receive Chinese consumer goods. From a military point of view, all this is necessary for the occupation of the territory, so that the Chinese troops and military equipment penetrate deeper into Russia.
    Towards the borders of Russia, China is already OPEN building a concrete-based broadband road so that it can withstand the load during the transfer of heavy equipment and weapons. With the final commissioning of this transport infrastructure, China will be able to freely transfer troops and equipment along the entire border with Russia, and conduct offensive operations in strategically important directions. In the construction of the road along the Russian-Chinese border, its specialization is strongly traced as rockades - that is, a road parallel to the front line. Is it really not visible from the Kremlin. Even google maps. . .
    Deposits of gold and silver, strategic raw materials of tungsten, molybdenum, copper, vanadium were "given" to China. All this will return to Russia in the form of tanks, planes, missiles. The housing built by the Chinese will be useful for their own citizens. Because China comes to the Khabarovsk Territory thoroughly and forever. Unfortunately

    I have one idea on this subject. I’ll look for links now. . .
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 12 May 2013 09: 24
      +6
      Quote: Rustiger
      China has already OPEN construction of broadband concrete-based roads to withstand the load of heavy equipment and weapons.

      Moreover, when I halted a taxi from Suifenhe to Mudanjiang, I noticed that a significant part of the first-class roads and railway tracks were drawn through tunnels in the mountains. Those. in the event of a troop transfer, transport will not have to travel from city to city in an open area, substituting its equipment for air strikes. In which case, you can wait out the active phase of aviation in the tunnels.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 12 May 2013 10: 28
        +3
        Quote: Gamar
        from Suifenhe to Mudanjiang,

        What beautiful names in China .. lol (litter for flood repeat )
        1. Gemar
          Gemar 12 May 2013 16: 25
          +1
          Quote: lewerlin53rus
          What beautiful names in China ..

          Xylin is still there ... wassat
      2. Rustiger
        Rustiger 12 May 2013 15: 05
        +4
        Quote: Gamar
        a significant part of the roads of the first class and railway tracks carried through tunnels in the mountains.

        Sergei. Yes, the Chinas tunnels are a splinter in the ass of the whole world. What they hide there can only guess.

        http://www.denger.ru/opasnost/kakuyu-opasnost-soderzhat-tonneli-i-bunkera-kitaya
        .html

        http://vpk-news.ru/articles/8379
        http://inosmi.ru/fareast/20111025/176565146.html.

        I just thought about it. If we "hear the news" that the yellow ones are mass-producing aircraft (or modernizing existing ones) with folding planes, in the manner of deck-based ones, then there is no doubt that with concrete roads, such a length in front of the tunnels, these are ideal takeoffs with closed secret hangars. Obviously not for the fight "for the sky over America!"
        All one to one.
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        1. Gemar
          Gemar 12 May 2013 16: 24
          +2
          Quote: Rustiger
          What they hide there can only guess.

          Under an agreement with the PRC, we took all weapons a few kilometers from the border. On both sides of the border live a lot of Chinese. Now they can control the location of our troops, and we, thanks to the tunnels, are not able to answer the same.
          As they say, we need an asymmetric answer ... Bacteriological weapons, at least. To act only on the Han. Better yet, withdraw from the INF Treaty. The Americans withdrew from the ABM Treaty - we have the right not to fulfill, respectively, the INF Treaty.
          Quote: Rustiger
          I just thought about it. If we "hear the news" that the yellow ones are mass-producing aircraft (or modernizing existing ones) with folding planes, in the manner of deck-based ones, then there is no doubt that with concrete roads, such a length in front of the tunnels, these are ideal takeoffs with closed secret hangars.

          It seems to me that destroying such a runway is as easy as real. Maybe even easier - bombed the exit and that's it ... the plane in the tunnel itself will not be able to take off ??? Although it is easier to repair the final runway section (which is at the exit) than to repair the entire runway.
          But still, it seems to me that this is more suited for ground equipment than for aviation. How will they sit in such a tunnel? Before the tunnel will have to build a standard runway for landing.
          Quote: Rustiger
          Obviously not for the fight "for the sky over America!"

          yes+ + +
          To create a "harmonious world" in Chinese! With the United States, they already have harmony. China produces - the US buys. And the fact that the Americans will have to get out of the APR is a no brainer! The Americans will sooner or later put up with this. The main thing is that both of them do not have a desire to share the riches of Siberia ... Can it?
          There is only one way out - to give birth a lot, to invent a lot, not to be afraid of anyone (the most important thing of your government !!!). Yes, rearm your army faster than rearm others with your own weapons.
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 12 May 2013 12: 44
      +3
      I completely agree with Rustaiger.

      An analysis of the facts leads to an unambiguous conclusion.
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 12 May 2013 14: 31
        +8
        Quote: aviamed90
        An analysis of the facts leads to an unambiguous conclusion.

        I am glad that we have come to understand not "troubles", but problems. And sooo serious problem. Just yet distant in time. ... ... Or not really?

        1. In Kazakhstan, a section of the Almaty – Khorgos road was built, which is part of the Western Europe – Western China international auto corridor. He will go to Astana and will diverge towards Petropavlovsk, Kurgan, Zavodoukosk and Omsk and Kostanay on Troitsk.
        2. Another branch of this road - Almaty - Shymkent - Kyzylorda - Baikonur-Aktobe - Uralsk with access to Russia in the directions of Saratov, Samara, Buzuluk, Orenburg.
        From Aktobe there is a road to Orenburg.
        3.From the Chinese border there is already a car corridor in the direction of Maykapchagai - Semipalatinsk-Pavlodar with access to Russia to Omsk.
        4. Of strategic importance is the road in Kazakhstan in the direction of Atyrau (Guryev) - Astrakhan.

        In the construction of roads that are heading towards Russia of strategic and economic importance, China plays a major role. An example is a section of the Uralsk-Aktobe road funded by China. (why's that
        China’s interest is explained by the fact that there are deposits of chromium and aluminum in Aktobe and Khromtau, iron ore in Kostanay, and huge oil and gas reserves in Kandyagash.
        China is interested through these transport corridors to export its products to the countries of Central Asia, as well as to Russia and Western Europe, Kazakhstan does not benefit from this, it is used as a transit country, raw materials will go back to China.

        China begins to invest in cities and regions of Russia located on strategic directions or along the border of Kazakhstan, with capital the Chinese come to Russia.
        Large Chinese diasporas are located in Chelyabinsk, Yekaterinburg, appeared in Omsk, Novosibirsk, Barnaul. The Chinese took up the development of Orenburg, Samara, Saratov, Astrakhan, the record for investment broke Volgograd, where they want to invest 10 billion dollars.

        China begins to develop the ports of Russia, under the guise of investments they have entrenched in St. Petersburg and Novorossiysk, Astrakhan, in the future, the sea gates of Russia may fall under their control.

        Kazakhstan’s roads leading in the direction of Russia are connected between Zhinibek (with access to Volgograd) - Chapaevo - Uralsk - Aktobe - Karabutan-Kostanay-Petropavlovsk-Astana-Pavlodar-Maykapchagay-China, then this road has all the signs of a rockade.

        In the event of a war with Russia, China can freely transfer troops and weapons in the direction of Russia and disperse along strategic directions along the entire border of Kazakhstan and Russia.
        China has completely completed the construction of transport infrastructure on the Sino-Russian border along the Amur River and the Far East, now its goal is the Kazakh-Russian border. China is preparing to strike at Russia from the South.
        Is it necessary to speak about the development of the ICEBREAKER (!?!?!) Fleet of China and ships with "reinforced cheekbones" for navigating in ice conditions?
    3. Goldmitro
      Goldmitro 12 May 2013 14: 10
      +8
      <<< In the direction of the borders of Russia, China is already OPEN the construction of broadband roads on a concrete base so that they can withstand the load during the transfer of heavy equipment and weapons ......... In the construction of the road along the Russian-Chinese border it is strongly traced specialization as rokada - that is, roads parallel to the front line. Can't you see it from the Kremlin? Even Google maps. ... . >>>
      Such actions of the Chinese side are more convincing than a thousand Chinese statements about its desire for good-neighborly relations with Russia, about friendship, show China's TRUE intentions in relations with Russia! Including for this purpose China is spending huge sums on rearmament of its army. And our "effective managers", fixated only on making dough, without hesitation sell him modern military equipment (SU-35), thereby contributing to the accelerated growth of military power of a VERY POSSIBLE potential enemy of Russia. It is a pity, indeed, that this is still not visible from the Kremlin!
      1. Goldmitro
        Goldmitro 12 May 2013 15: 06
        +2
        The Russian Far East, if you use images, as the Chinese like to do, looks more and more like a huge, beautiful juicy apple in which Chinese worms have settled and reproduced, which after a while will eat it so much that it will fall at the feet of the Celestial Empire. So before it's too late, you need to take good care of the apple tree, use different "preparations" so that any infection does not multiply in it!
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 12 May 2013 15: 30
          +5
          Quote: Goldmitro
          So before it's too late, you need to take good care of the apple tree, use different "preparations" so that any infection does not multiply in it!

          Figuratively! What for! good I will add. Can "pour dust" straight into the breeding ground of infection. Approximately the way the Iveroangles and others did it. Qualitatively they cleaned this termite mound from the brooding larvae and not only. But the local "mother" was no longer up to the "annexation of territories". In short, is it not high time for us to learn to adopt the experience, until the amers trod the path from Afgan.

          In the 18th century, having completed the first redistribution of spheres of influence in the world, the British monopolized the Indian markets and, accordingly, the supply of opium to China. From this time began such an expansion of the Chinese opium market, which the Dutch never dreamed of. In less than 10 years, opium shipments to China have increased tens of times. The consequences were not long in coming. The outflow of money from the country led to a crisis of the economy, industry and other trade almost ceased to exist. People from all walks of life became victims of addiction: from aristocracy to simple hard workers. Government structures, even the army, began to fall apart.
          By this agreement, by the way, the Chinese island became Hong Kong, at first - as an English colony. The winners promised to stop trading in opium, but the promises of drug dealers are not expensive, - the trade continued. The second war began. The result of which was the official agreement by China to import opium. True, the state could now take rather high duties for opium, the money went to the devastated treasury, and China put up with it for a while. Description of opium smokers, now arranged throughout the country can be found in the books of the American classics of the detective genre of the times of the Prohibition.

          Further here, who are interested -
          http://sobriety-ru.livejournal.com/385048.html
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 12 May 2013 16: 52
            +3
            Quote: Rustiger
            In less than 10 years, opium shipments to China have increased tens of times.

            I have already published two times how the contradictions of the Russian Empire and China on the subject of ownership of the Ussuri region were resolved.
            The solution of the problem of ownership of the Ussuri region by Russia was entrusted to the special envoy Nikolai Pavlovich Ignatiev. During this period, China was defeated by England, France and the United States in the second opium war of 1856-1860, there was a fierce peasant war in the country (Taiping uprising of 1850 — 1864). The Qing court fled from the capital of the country, and Prince Gong was left to negotiate with the winners. He applied for mediation to the representative of Russia. Skillfully playing on the contradictions between the British, French and Americans in China, as well as on the fear of the Qing dynasty, Nikolai Ignatiev achieved a truce and refusal of the command of the British-French Expeditionary Force from the storming of the Chinese capital. Considering the services rendered by the Russian envoy in resolving the war with the Europeans, the Qins agreed to meet the demands for the full transfer of the Russian Empire to the Ussuri region. November 2 The 1860 of the Year was signed by the Beijing Treaty. He established the final border between China and Russia in the Amur region, Primorye and to the west of Mongolia.

            Quote: Rustiger
            In short, it’s not time for us to learn to adopt experience.

            Exactly! Common thought (another good ) You have to be trickier. And to adopt not only the best from other countries, but also the worst - everything will come in handy (although this is alien to us).
  6. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 12 May 2013 07: 43
    10
    I’m not a racist, but I can’t stand the Chinese. My grandfather on Damansky was among the first to die. Maybe Damansky is the second if China gains more power. They’re in Dofig in Primorye. Why did they give China nuclear weapons technology? why give them modern technology?
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 12 May 2013 08: 18
      14 th
      Quote: nikolas 83
      They are so in Primorye dofiga.

      how many are there in Primorye? dofiga is how much? how many in pieces? what quantity? in numbers say how much !!!
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 12 May 2013 08: 46
        +9
        Quote: djon3volta
        how many of them ... dofiga is how much ... how many in pieces ... what number ... say how much

        Zhen, what are you doing like a capon! Dap-Dap-Dap. Do not be lazy, knead the tentacles, and fill in the search box "how many are there in Primorye? dofiga is how much? how many in pieces? what quantity? in numbers say how much !!!", you will get the exact figure. laughing
        And so, shamelessly pester everyone. . . After all, you are purely trolling, and you are stupidly trolling, rudely, tastelessly. . .
        how

        THIS IS SO! AND djon3volta - ONE!
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 12 May 2013 08: 59
          -9
          Quote: Rustiger
          HERE SO MUCH

          judging by the picture in Primorye 1 Russian lives and about 25 Chinese? Do you recognize the number of inhabitants of Primorye from the pictures? Are there Chinese in your city, where do you live? If so, how many Russians and Chinese are there then tell me, just name the exact number .
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 12 May 2013 09: 13
            +7
            Quote: djon3volta
            only call the exact number.

            Zadolbali ...
            Pay the cost of the census of a particular item. Pay the costs of escorting the police and the FMS. Pay me a salary as a translator, then I will answer you
            Quote: djon3volta
            how many Russians and Chinese are there

            If there is no money, take a loan.
            By the way, name the name of your city / town \ village \ village. Maybe we’ll check if you have Chinese there.
            Quote: djon3volta
            Do you recognize the number of inhabitants of Primorye from the pictures?

            You are completely devoid of a sense of humor. Sorry, but this your statement can only be explained in this way!
          2. Stas
            Stas 12 May 2013 10: 12
            +8
            He lived in Primorye a couple of years ago, now relatives remained there, so I know the situation in my own skin. The population of Primorye in the 90s was 2,5 million people, in the 2000s - about 1,9, now even less (I will not give exact data).
            Draw conclusions !!! The local population leaves, but a holy place does not exist. In the 19th century, the beginning of the 20th, only Chinese (coolies) mainly lived in this territory. You need to know a little history before arguing !!!
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 May 2013 10: 30
              +7
              And I will bring. Primorsky Krai. 1989- 2,25 million; 2002- 2,07 million; 2010- 1,96 million. Population reduction by 12,8%. In Russia as a whole, over the same period, the population declined by 2,8%
            2. Gemar
              Gemar 12 May 2013 12: 19
              +5
              Quote: Stas
              In the 19th century, the beginning of the 20th century, only the Chinese mainly lived on this territory. You need to know a little history before arguing !!!

              That's it! You need to know the history! With all due respect to you, it should not be said that "mainly the Chinese lived". By this you show your incompetence in this matter. On the territory of Primorye lived mainly Golds, Orochi, Oroks, Koreans and! A little! Chinese. Before that, there were Aiguns, Bohai, Mohe tribes and many others. Of all the listed tribes / peoples / kingdoms, it is difficult to attribute anyone to the Itai. Even the Bohai and Jurchens were not Chinese. In general, they are the same Chinese as the Mongols are Japanese.
              In the 19th century, more Koreans lived than Chinese in the territory of present-day Primorye.
              If you are interested in this topic, read the book that was published (NOT WRITTEN!) By my friend I.A. Sakai "Into the Depths of Ages". good
              1. djon3volta
                djon3volta 12 May 2013 13: 44
                -8
                Quote: Gamar
                In the 19th century, more Koreans lived than Chinese in the territory of present-day Primorye.

                and finally it’s true - now Russians live in Primorye, there are no more Chinese and Koreans there. That's not all. In the 19th century there were, and in the 20-21st century Russians live. if I’m right? not only right because of what I said? laughing
  7. explorer
    explorer 12 May 2013 08: 06
    +1
    Well, it remains to shout: "CHINESE are coming !!!" - and jump out the window. laughing

    Or maybe not everything is so bad: China has pain points - use them. There is India, there is Vietnam - to work with them. Assimilate those Chinese who can. Etc.
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 12 May 2013 09: 19
      +6
      Quote: explorer
      Assimilate those Chinese who can.

      laughing
      If the pope is Chinese, and the mother is Russian, you will get a Chinese.
      If the pope is Russian, and the mother is Chinese, it will turn out ... Chinese.
      Chinese blood is stronger than the blood of the African nation, Jews, Europeans, Caucasians. If I am not mistaken, only in Portugal there is a small nationality, which does not "mix" with Asians. Those. "at the exit" we get "European".
      1. Nick
        Nick 12 May 2013 12: 23
        0
        Quote: Gamar
        If the pope is Chinese, and the mother is Russian, you will get a Chinese.
        If the pope is Russian, and the mother is Chinese, it will turn out ... Chinese.

        Vorpos is who the teacher will be, and not who mom or dad is. If a child is brought up in Russian culture, then he will become Russian, both in mentality and in relation to Russia, and although there is an admixture of Chinese blood in him, he can be no less a patriot of Russia than a thoroughbred man.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 12 May 2013 12: 48
          +5
          Nick

          Try to educate in Russian culture! Especially when they live in their settlements. They won’t even let you in!

          See how the Chinese live in the US and other countries. Settlements in the form of "Chinatowns". And what can the local authorities do with them?
          1. Nick
            Nick 12 May 2013 13: 08
            +2
            Quote: aviamed90
            Try to educate in Russian culture! Especially when they live in their settlements. They won’t even let you in!

            I responded to the previous comment regarding mixed Russian-Chinese families. As for the isolated mono-ethnic Chinese settlements, living not according to Russian laws, but according to some other, then they should not, in principle, be on our territory ... Clear to hell ...
          2. Gemar
            Gemar 12 May 2013 13: 13
            +3
            Quote: aviamed90
            And what can local authorities do with them?

            Increase rental! wink
            1. aviamed90
              aviamed90 12 May 2013 13: 23
              +4
              If these measures are so effective, then the question arises: why is this not done? I do not expect an answer - it is obvious!
              1. Gemar
                Gemar 12 May 2013 14: 09
                +3
                Quote: aviamed90
                I do not expect an answer - it is obvious!

                Unfortunately, not everyone! drinks + + +
        2. Rustiger
          Rustiger 12 May 2013 16: 16
          0
          Quote: Nick
          If a child is brought up in Russian culture, then he will become Russian, both in mentality and in relation to Russia, and although there is an admixture of Chinese blood in him

          Believe it or not? And I specifically expected something like this from someone. You "got caught". Nothing personal, it started:

          Term telegonia is made up of two Greek words (tele - far, far; gonos - origin) and suggests the possibility of the distant influence of the previous (first) sexual partner on the phenotype (signs) of subsequent offspring born from another sexual partner.
          This is just an offer for further development, but for now a few photos -
        3. Rustiger
          Rustiger 12 May 2013 16: 18
          +3
          Quote: Nick
          If a child is brought up in Russian culture, then he will become Russian, both in mentality and in relation to Russia, and although there is an admixture of Chinese blood in him

          Believe it or not? And I specifically expected something like this from someone. You "got caught". Nothing personal, it started:

          Term telegonia is made up of two Greek words (tele - far, far; gonos - origin) and suggests the possibility of the distant influence of the previous (first) sexual partner on the phenotype (signs) of subsequent offspring born from another sexual partner.
          This is just an offer for further development, but for now a few photos -
          1


          This photo is from one of the forums where several geneticists have eaten (something like specialists-rockets or flyers here)
          These are "white blacks" - the result of the fact that a white English woman or a Dutch woman had some kind of niger dad in her family. Then the mother's "white" genes won, but the "indescribable" beauty "was not" cured. "
          2

          Do not think that these are all downs. These are quite educated "people". Among them there are two professors, two famous sportsmen in South Africa and students.
        4. Rustiger
          Rustiger 12 May 2013 16: 33
          +1
          Here are a bunch of telegonia links.

          http://www.telegonia.ru/articles/articles_09.htm
          http://www.uznai-pravdu.com/viewtopic.php?t=128
          http://www.telegonia.info/
          http://www.skeptik.net/ism/opponent/telegon2.htm

          When I read for the first time, I scratched my turnips tightly!
          I confess that somehow I was even "glad" that I have two sons, boys and not girls, although everything is in God's hands.

          Here's another photo for consideration. For ethical reasons, I will give only a link.
          Particularly shy and minors, please do not watch.

          http://ruero.com.nyud.net/pic/150213/image_11.jpg
  8. pinecone
    pinecone 12 May 2013 08: 17
    +8
    The Russian writer Goncharov, in his wonderful book "The Pallas Frigate", compared China to a tied sack of peas and expressed fear that "God forbid it will come loose" and then the Chinese will scatter all over the world.
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 May 2013 08: 27
    +5
    It would be strange if the PRC with such gold and foreign exchange reserves did not try to rearm its army with modern weapons (see weapons costs). It is also simple that, like all great powers, China strives to be the first in everything.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 12 May 2013 12: 51
      +4
      aszzz888

      Twenty five again!

      The RF is trying to rearm, and China is armed with the latest models and in large numbers!
  10. djon3volta
    djon3volta 12 May 2013 09: 26
    11 th
    guys, let’s roll an article tomorrow or the day after tomorrow about how Caucasians or Asians occupy us, I want to neigh over you as you will be intimidating laughing I really get angry with you when I read articles about Gastrik, Japanese, Chinese, Asians, I get angry over comments mainly because you carry such a nonsense sometimes that you can really scare children with your comments
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 12 May 2013 09: 34
      11
      Quote: djon3volta
      I really get angry with you when I read articles about Gastrik, Japanese, Chinese, Asians, I get angry over comments mainly because you carry such a nonsense sometimes that you can really scare children with your comments

      I have not seen such people about whom you write. Name a specific number - how many alarmists are afraid of "gastric", how many alarmists are afraid of "Japanese", etc. Better yet, post a link to the full list of "cowards", your words are not credible.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 12 May 2013 11: 17
        -7
        Quote: Gamar
        I have not seen such people about whom you write.

        read the comments carefully, is it not clear that here and not only people are engaged in self-intimidation, and they scare each other's accupations? Can't you see what they write? , Caucasians, Chinese ", they write something like this, they say" we are crazy guys, we are finished, Putin populates Russia with foreigners, he arranges genocide of Russians "in this spirit trolls and inspired write in comments, if the topic is about gastric, Caucasians or Chinese, Don't you notice this? I notice that this topic is often pedaled and ignited. And this is done on a special, conscious basis, and out of stupidity.
        1. Gemar
          Gemar 12 May 2013 13: 03
          +5
          Quote: djon3volta
          scare each other's acupuncture

          My "accupations" cannot be frightened by any other "accupations"! wink
          Quote: djon3volta
          comes to the point that they write something like the following - "tomorrow we Russians will be thrown out of their apartments by these Tajiks, Caucasians, Chinese"

          The people are worried about the future of their country, their descendants. We all hope for the best, but prepare for the worst ...
          And in general, in your city there are not even Chinese people (as you tell us), how can you claim the authority of your opinion? Do you meet the Chinese every day? NO! Have you traveled all over China? NO! Can you speak Chinese? OF COURSE NOT! What can’t you say about ... me, with all modesty repeat
          And you "rub" on the site to impressionable people that there is no threat of rejection of the Far East by the Chinese, that the Far East is not populated by Tajiks ?! I live in Primorye, I studied / worked in China. I know what I'm writing about! All Chinese sleep and see Siberia as their own. All imported Tajiks (ask Romanov, is his opinion at least a little authoritative for you?) Bring crowds of relatives with them. A couple of years ago, you could raise your hand and catch a "motor" with a Russian driver. Now almost only Central Asians are "bombing". More than half of the vegetables are grown in Primorye by the Chinese. And they themselves will not eat these vegetables "on pain of death".
          Do not believe the word, require numbers? Come to Vladivostok with a notebook and pen and count the number of Chinese in person. Only do not go to Blagoveshchensk;
          Believe further on the "official" statistics, believe further on the "noble" plans of our government to preserve the Far East. Your "armor" cannot be pierced by anything. ONLY DO NOT CLAIM FOR THE EXCEPTIONAL FAITH OF YOUR OPINION! You are a mere mortal (like me wink ) and tend to make mistakes (like me hi ) If you are from a village where there are no Chinese, you know better whether we have Chinese and in what quantity, then you are either a troll paid by the government, or ... the thought stops at that ... request
          Further, communication with you I consider more inappropriate.
    2. Babon
      Babon 12 May 2013 10: 33
      +7
      You can just go to the maternity hospital in Moscow and see who gives birth there, questions themselves will disappear. Conflicts have already begun in schools, visitors need to be taught letters to deduce that it takes a considerable amount of time, and locals do not have time to study the program because of this.
      1. Nazrug
        Nazrug 12 May 2013 11: 05
        -3
        Chinese?))
      2. djon3volta
        djon3volta 12 May 2013 11: 07
        -5
        Quote: Babon
        You can just go to the maternity hospital in Moscow and see who gives birth there, questions themselves will disappear.

        that's for sure, since they send me links to watch, then I will throw links fellow
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/22226/

        Amazing In the top 15 male and female names there are exclusively Russian names. How can this be if some migrants from the Caucasus and Central Asia give birth? Are Salmans, Mohammeds and Ravshans, settling in Moscow, calling their children Ivan and Maria? Or are the authorities hiding®, as they like to prove on opposition resources? I think the correct answer is obvious: the vast majority of births in Moscow, and even more so in all of Russia, are among culturally, mentally and historically Russian people. The proof is the fact that for the census period of 2002-2010. the proportion of people who call themselves Russian has not changed (about 80%).

        show where the Muslim names are in this picture? these are the statistics of Moscow! the picture has uploaded small, large see here http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/22226/
        1. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 12 May 2013 11: 35
          +5
          Quote: djon3volta
          show where in this picture Muslim names? these statistics of Moscow!

          Well, look what the doctors say, and who will include births without documents in these statistics, it is issued as an emergency
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 12 May 2013 13: 57
            +7
            And my name is China 谢尔盖 (Xieergai, Seergai). It means that I am a Chinese with all the consequences! wassat

            Lassvet the beloved Zhongguo,
            And grab a winter globe for a century.
            Zits Chinese is not easy to assess.
            The earth is small, many power plants.

            We talk with you
            You give us money - you will see us.
            How many wake up to beat the Caucasus
            Have a lazy Lusian power.

            We have heard they say to you
            Lussiy Doug - Almya and Navy.
            We’ll save all of this with you.
            The Chinese man is coming to you.

            Harmonious mi postloim cute.
            So be it - let us leave you the Caucasus.
            As the great Mao said, we were cumulative:
            "A lot of dry, autumn is not enough for you."
            =======================================
            I WILL WATCH AN ANGRY ALL CHINESE WILD.
            A LOT OF YOURS, YES GUT THIN!
            LITTLE US, BUT WE ARE IN VALNES, HERE
            TAKE AND PUNCH IN CHINA! soldier
        2. Babon
          Babon 12 May 2013 11: 36
          +7
          You yourself go to the hospital, and yes they settled here, why not give a Russian name? Quite give. And I would know how the census is conducted, refused to name nationality, they automatically write Russian (the country is Russia). And many Russians muttered from behind the door, so they recorded it. So my friends went and copied. As for the student, he went around his site, stupidly everyone who did not answer, wrote down the Russians, and the norms.
          The main report at the university dragged that he completed the census program.
    3. 101
      101 12 May 2013 10: 59
      +3
      Among the Serbs, I think at first there were also extortionists. Now in Europe. Well, we have someone who extends until after all. But tomorrow, how will it be too late in 20-30 years to tear hair?
  11. calculator
    calculator 12 May 2013 09: 37
    +2
    Our Homeland is not homogeneous among the people, this is the main danger. We are weak before any enemy, until a thought or force uniting us is identified. Very much we all think much ....
  12. Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 12 May 2013 09: 50
    +8
    Recently, we have been observing a clearly untenable policy of the Russian authorities towards China. We are constantly being told about "strategic partnership", "triangles for opposition" to someone, joint struggle against the aggressive course of the United States and the like.

    The old aircraft carriers (supposedly under floating stores) and modern destroyers (probably for the same one) are selling to the Chinese. The Chinese army is the main buyer of the Russian defense industry. Chinese economic experience is proclaimed (but no more) by the Russian government as a role model. But behind all this fraternity with the Chinese, our government stubbornly does not want to notice the desire of China to seize the land of Siberia and the Far East.

    China's main weapon against Russia is its huge population (almost 1500 million). Modern Russia has no means of protection against it. The Chinese invasion has already begun, but the Russian authorities are unwilling to notice it. While we are discussing how NATO is approaching Smolensk, indignant at the actions of the Americans a thousand kilometers from our borders, hundreds of thousands of Chinese "ants" are crossing the checkpoint in the Far East with the dream of a permanent residence on our land. The population of the border zone of Russia and the northern regions of China is incomparable (150 million of them against 10 of ours). Moreover, the Russian population is constantly decreasing. Now more than 2 million Chinese live in Siberia and the Far East. In Blagoveshchensk, for example, the Chinese already make up 10% of the population. And all this has happened in the past few years.

    At the same time, the Chinese do not mix with the Russians, much less dissolve among them. They settle in their closed communities, live in them according to their own laws. For example, 300 thousand Chinese live in Moscow. They have their own newspapers, their cable television, their hospitals and kindergartens. This is a real Chinese sub-state within the Russian capital. But on the street to meet a Chinese is not easy. Because, unlike the same blacks, every Chinese with a paramilitary discipline knows that ahead of time, it is not necessary to annoy someone else's society.

    Full text if interested:
    http://www.xpomo.com/ruskolan/liter/china.htm
  13. individual
    individual 12 May 2013 09: 56
    +3
    It is not the Chinese "bad uncle" who is expanding into the World.
    The progressive development of the Chinese economy, the search for a market for products covers their national, social life. And then inside the country it becomes crowded and there is expansion outside the country. The economy begins to control politics. And vice versa. Everything is interconnected. (Read K.Marx).
    So it was in ancient Rome, Egypt, Byzantium, empires of the past. So it was in Fascist Germany, Japan, the USA and further down the list ... Nobody canceled the economic laws, in spite of any social relations From the primitive system, slaveholding ...- to capitalism.
    The strong "absorb" the weak - natural selection.
    I don’t know, I can’t predict how these relations will be designated under communism.
    But this is a different story and a completely different formation.
  14. RUS
    RUS 12 May 2013 10: 06
    +3
    We will have to recall Comrade Stalin’s methods of expelling Chechens, Kalmyks, Crimean Tatars, Meskhetian Turks, etc.
  15. Asgard
    Asgard 12 May 2013 10: 06
    +8
    Quote: aszzz888
    It would be strange if the PRC with so

    That’s just the point - there are a lot of oddities with China ... this is alarming, although drawing an analogy with the past ...
    The "Cultural Revolution" and "Great Leap Forward" did not lead the Huangs (as the Chinese call themselves)) neither to Culture nor to the leap))), but last 20 years is a transition to a new dimension ???
    At the same time, China does not make "mistakes" (not a single one !!!)) gigantic development with logistics, infrastructure construction, rearmament, hiding stat data with a focus on results ....

    As for "not a single" mistake, it's how to count, if for the next 10 years, and then there is not a single "grass" ..., but if you count on the development of the state, all aspects of life - such a giant development - THIS IS A MINA FOR ALL CHINA (and all over the world)))

    Everything needs gradualism - Here is a child, he is born, he cannot crawl, walk, get food for himself, discern dangers, plan his day ... but here!?!)) He did not go to the toilet yet - but he is already sitting, everything is he has (resources)), dressed well (albeit without diapers)) and in his hands sharp military toys (which he himself made))) .... admit how strange it is to look at THIS))) and about the "parents" of this miracle "we can only guess - because THE WHOLE WORLD HELPS KATAYA BOY(including Russia)))

    Now we look where he will crawl, where there is free space, freed from armies and People, where they built a bridge (hefty)) Where Putin conducted ATES and made a reservation according to Freud))) - "they say we are at a construction site" (cit.))) Which is why, really did not say)))

    By the way, such a child has already been in history))) This is Germany, we remember where He crap one's pants)))
    History repeats itself ...
    who thinks that it will be different, that stupid person (by the way, and this article is a test for stupidity))) allows you to evaluate colleagues in strategic thinking ....
    So we read comments and make CONCLUSIONS))))
    And remember, no weapons, no state, no "good government" in the Kremlin, no "patriot PU" will protect you ...
    Only your correct reasoning and actions for later life can change plans "parents""boy".)))
  16. Bezarius
    Bezarius 12 May 2013 10: 14
    +1
    I do not know why you are laying the masonry ahead of time. Neither the amount of manpower nor the amount of iron will make the Chinese people a suitable invader of the world. The Chinese have bad wars - history is a witness to this.
    1. knn54
      knn54 12 May 2013 12: 02
      0
      Bezarius: The Chinese have bad wars - history is a witness to this.
      Verify the truth. Despite the excellent aviation and the serious navy of China, Vietnam in 1979 very successfully demonstrated its ability to uphold national sovereignty in practice.
      The whole truth is that China is seriously hindering the Yankees and Co. to seize the world.
  17. Captain
    Captain 12 May 2013 10: 30
    +5
    However, it still remains a “poor” army, as it spends only $ 25 per soldier per year (salary, training, uniforms, and weapons). For comparison: in France, this figure is $ 000 a year, and in the US - $ 230.

    But we are not much richer. If my memory serves me right, then for Russia this figure is 35-36 thousand. This is less than the small Czech Republic.

    And if you look at the growth of the Chinese military budget, then soon they will overtake us here too
  18. Roll
    Roll 12 May 2013 10: 52
    +4
    good A strange article especially for France. The expert is also one of competency. How can you compare the contractor and the conscript on money. Top of stupidity. In the USSR, a DShK soldier in the landing did not cost much, but he was an excellent soldier, although by French terms a cheap soldier. If it is necessary to compare competently, the contents of lieutenants and generals. Then it is not clear by what parameters the author distinguishes between the prototype ji 20 and the demonstrator, and why is our pack not a demonstrator? Further, if China planned aggression, it would buy from us not 24 su 35 but 200 pieces for other weapons. he has enough dough. Until 2020, China is more likely to take any major aggressive actions, and on the contrary, we need to work more closely with China and sell them the most modern weapons.
  19. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 12 May 2013 10: 57
    +3
    A new horror story as an occasion to unite the satellites under your leadership to fight Russia, China --- in principle, it does not matter with whom - the main thing is to steer.
  20. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 12 May 2013 11: 46
    +1
    No, China needs peace with Russia, even if weakened and humiliated for 20 years, Russia will be able to stand up for itself, by the way how paradoxical it is, but the US will not allow China to destroy Russia, now the situation is that it’s more convenient for everyone to leave world resources in in the hands of a weak Russia, for both China and the United States with our resources will become unconditional world hegemons, so that they will closely monitor each other, but on the other hand, and will not allow our gain. But even if it happens that the Chinese cling to the Americans, then that one way or another, the help of Russia oh how it will be needed and the one whom Russia will support will win this hypothetical war.
  21. aviamed90
    aviamed90 12 May 2013 12: 34
    +7
    "Let's put aside all empty speculations and start from an indisputable fact: China intends to become one of the strongest military powers and get at its disposal funds that will match its economic strength."

    Totally agree!

    And how on this background do the statements of our country's leadership sound about the impossibility of a large-scale war for resources ???
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 12 May 2013 13: 57
      -4
      Quote: aviamed90
      And how on this background do the statements of our country's leadership sound about the impossibility of a large-scale war for resources ???

      is China attacking us or not? Some people scare that they will attack, others reassure us that they don’t. Then they say why attack us when the Chinese are already populating us.
      but imagine that in a month a powerful energy surge will take place and the solar wind will damage all the planet’s energy, disable all electronics, communications satellites, power stations, the Internet, naturally, then what will you all do? others will work too, and they won’t be able to scare each other with Chinese, Americans, and guest workers. can you then take care of everything in real life, and not on the Internet?
  22. aviamed90
    aviamed90 12 May 2013 12: 36
    +4
    Quote: taseka
    "However, usually China prefers takeovers and negotiations over direct conflict." - If we look at how many of them are in our Far East, then I believe about their "absorption"



    This is for the time being - for the time being!

    Why spend billions on weapons that are not supposed to be used?
  23. Nick
    Nick 12 May 2013 12: 42
    +7
    I read all the Comments, and I realized one thing, all opponents are right in their own way, and this implies the conclusion that Russia needs to keep an eye on relations with China and the United States and NATO. Russia has allies only its Army and Navy, although this expression has become commonplace, nevertheless it is true!
  24. Humpty
    Humpty 12 May 2013 12: 47
    +3
    I believe that the Chinese program "500 years" really exists. Its essence is enveloping - the assimilation by the Chinese of the whole world. The protocols of all sorts of sages are clearly more modest.
  25. 101
    101 12 May 2013 13: 33
    +3
    Quote: Nick
    Russia has allies only its Army and Navy

    This is bad. When the USSR and the Warsaw Pact were. When half of the world and the PRC, including NATO, opposed, did we ask questions about what to do in Russia, what awaits us in 20-30 years
  26. Far East
    Far East 12 May 2013 14: 04
    +1
    How many Chinese? There are not many of them left, I drove a lot, I myself live in the Far East region, and a lot of them where I happen to be equal to the beginning of the two thousandths became much less.
  27. Andrew
    Andrew 12 May 2013 14: 24
    -1
    As they lived inside "their shell" and they live, they do not exert any influence on world issues. Or they do not want to. Even in the Middle East conflicts, they are quietly silent. Was a partner in the supply of oil to Libya. They began to bomb it, it does not matter if China will find another. Was Iraq became Iran surrender Iran without batting a blink will find some Mexico. Build strength for their hidden goals.
  28. astra
    astra 12 May 2013 14: 50
    -1
    Is China getting ready to take over the world?

    Duck it, China is not a suicide. many natural resources, raw materials, oil are scattered around the world. In case of war, China is not able to provide security for supplies, and their religion is peaceful, if you look at history, China rarely waged wars of conquest. The West needs an enemy. There is no USSR, so China was invented. they also need to load their defense industry, and they are inventing an imaginary enemy.
    1. astra
      astra 12 May 2013 18: 08
      +3
      Justify the cons, what am I wrong? You don’t know that you are constantly trying to pit Russia and China, now China is endowed with the image of the enemy, not only Russia but also other countries. And America is that harmless? There are constant informational misconceptions, it is impossible to be conducted on them.
  29. Takashi
    Takashi 12 May 2013 15: 46
    +1
    By the way, in the Far Eastern forests there is such a filth called "tick". (after a bite, according to statistics, 20% (if you still provide assistance) is fatal, in contrast to its counterpart in the European part). I wonder if 2-8 million Chinese people know about this? Or did they eat them too? :) :)

    France is afraid of China for one reason - in France there are a lot of Chinese clothes at a price from Dolce Gaban :) :) they themselves do not know how to fight.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 12 May 2013 17: 44
      0
      And what do we have in the European part?
      This is the reason why the Chinasians do not attack us!
  30. MG42
    MG42 12 May 2013 15: 56
    +8
    By 2016, China will become the strongest economic power in the world.

    China needs resources to feed the population not only with rice as a key crop, forest, oil ... although the policy of 1 family = one child was introduced long ago, it led to a skew in the proportion of the male and female population of China >>> there are more men, therefore, it is profitable to fight resources >>> China has cut down a bunch of trees on its own disposable wooden chopsticks, which caused floods, now it imports wood, incl. from RF
    China now annually consumes 45 billion pairs of disposable chopsticks, and another 15 billion pairs are exported to Japan. To make them, it is necessary to cut down more than 30 million trees. And so in everything to appreciate the scale. Those. prerequisites for war exist + territory, everything has already been settled there, except for the inaccessible terrain of mountains and desert ..
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 12 May 2013 19: 25
      +3
      Quote: MG42
      China cut down a bunch of trees at its disposable wooden chopsticks, which was the cause of the floods, now it imports wood, including from the Russian Federation


      From the website of the FSB of the Russian Federation, October 29 2011Mr.
      "The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation has made public the fact of China's "demographic expansion" aimed at Russia. According to the FSB of the Russian Federation, the Chinese massively forge Russian driver's licenses, and this happens with the connivance of the PRC authorities, from which the Russian special services concluded that China condones the resettlement of its own citizens to Russia.

      It is reported that a lot of Chinese companies are involved in faking a driver’s license of the Russian model. Obtaining such rights is not difficult - they can be easily ordered through the Network. Fakes differ from the original in the absence of protective holography. How many Chinese with such rights were detained in Russia is not specified.

      Each Chinese caught in Russia with fake rights will have to answer according to the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which assumes responsibility for forging documents, state awards, seals and forms. The FSB noted that Chinese with fake rights are using them to smuggle Russian timber into China. "


      A question for the "Kitaephiles". Has anything fundamentally changed now? They stopped forging, or began to buy in large quantities, or the forest became unnecessary, or our own grew, etc. ... ... ...
  31. individual
    individual 12 May 2013 17: 37
    +1
    The version of Chinese aggression is primarily Japan pasture.
    In existing realities, Japan has territorial claims against Russia, China and Korea. We are constrained by a single chain represent an insurmountable barrier to the execution of the Japanese territorial problem. The visit of Prime Minister Abe to Russia with a bunch of engaged journalists is called upon to bombard the ground of the alignment of forces in the Pacific Ocean region, to identify the weak link, weaken it and, in turn, successively solve the problem of its diplomacy in the islands.
    Russia in China has its own concerns, and both Koreas in China are not all simple. Only for the Yankees is strategically difficult and unpredictable, but tactically it is imperative that confrontation in this region is inevitable.
  32. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 12 May 2013 18: 03
    0
    Yes, let them dominate as much as they like, the main thing is that they would not forget that there are a lot of animals in the northern forests, uncephalic mites, Chinese plague, etc. etc.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 12 May 2013 18: 06
      0
      You're not right! Ticks are also ours - Russian! Why should they offend them, give them to the adversary ?! Do not give offense to our native Russian tick!

      But seriously, there are a lot of things in our northern forests.
      1. 101
        101 12 May 2013 18: 15
        +1
        Yes, the Chinese do not eat either ticks or scorpions. Exotic for tourists. For two bucks, you won’t be full of scorpion. We try and they laugh. How are we at a foreign tourist with a balalaika Who has a balalaika at home?
  33. Red777
    Red777 12 May 2013 21: 13
    0
    In my opinion, the situation is like this - America is weakening, China is rising. The Americans are transferring troops to the Pacific Ocean, China is building up its Navy and Air Force. Russia has two options: either choose one of the parties, or by all means not get into this mess. But personally it seems to me that there will be no second option, tk. we have too much economic, geopolitical and military potential not to get into this mess. After all, we are not the United States, and we do not have two "anti-tank ditches". China has a border with us, the USA does not. The USA is an obvious enemy to us, China is secretive. In the event of a war for America and Europe, we will rake all the heat, and then they will "supposedly" win the war again.
  34. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 13 May 2013 00: 38
    +1
    Fuss!
    As they say in Russia - it's too late to drink Borjomi if the second kidney fails! There is no need to worry, the war, in the usual sense, "hot" war will not allow, first of all, China itself. Why should he fight, waste resources and lose people? China is already everywhere, it is enough to look around you to understand: assimilation is inevitable as demobilization.
  35. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 13 May 2013 04: 44
    0
    the famous science fiction writer r.khanlain (infantry star) has such a tale not to be confused with the film by supreme sovereign (star landing) although it was shot and the meaning is different there according to this book! and so there the story begins with the fact that in the 21st century Russia (and specifically Russia and not the USSR) and the United States are struggling with Chinese hygimony. I NOTE the fact that the novel was written in the Sixties of the last century !! and not what Chinese hygemony was then unheard of, but rather a rumor was the war of the USSR and the Soviet Union, which never happened! there, in general, we defeat and establish a peculiarly interesting, essentially totalitarian, military regime on the whole planet where those who had the military service and the right to vote and citizenship sensed all the hardships of military life in their own skin and everybody there businessmen and other parasites had no right to choose a government and parliament (by the way, the hanline itself for this was a bit by the Americans themselves accusing him of fascism) well, something the writer foresaw this even if he didn’t unleash the war of the USSR from the United States and immediately switched to China) I just read this raman for a long time and I remembered the shas that suits the situation))
    1. Egen
      Egen 13 May 2013 11: 57
      0
      Quote: regressSSSR
      the famous science fiction writer r.khanlayn has such a story

      Well, Heinlein is generally well done, even more to the topic he has a novel "Puppeteers", written 60 years ago, on which a film was also made :) In general, reading Heinlein, Sheckley ("Guardian Bird"), one wonders how people for about 70 years, they directly predicted both the technical and social structure of the world, and sometimes it becomes scary :( Why do we not believe Bulychov "100 years ago" that it will be so? :(
  36. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 13 May 2013 04: 52
    +1
    Now China looks like an ancient mighty dragon waking up from a thousand-year-old hibernation, and when it finally rises to its strong, clawed paws it will be very difficult to compete with this animal, unprecedented before the village !!
  37. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 13 May 2013 04: 58
    0
    and you think about kago this amers shot the film the hobbit so this is just a deeply veiled film about china current there the dragon sits on gold and the chinese on DOLOR laughing Yes, and it’s trying to buy the same country that stamps them with these same dollars laughing Well, for one esche everything reaches out))