The state, prospects and shortcomings of the Chinese fleet - Pentagon report

The US Department of Defense released a 92-page report on the state and prospects of development of the Chinese armed forces, mil.news.sina.com.cn reported on May 8, citing Japanese media.

The new report is a development of similar Pentagon studies from 2010, the NASA Research Center on the Chinese Air Force from 2010, the Office of Naval Intelligence from 2007 and 2009.

In particular, the report pays great attention to the development prospects of the Chinese Navy. Currently, three Jin class SSBNs have been introduced fleet, two more are at different stages of construction. The boats are equipped with new solid-fuel ballistic missiles “Tszyulan-2” with a firing range of 7400 km. With the adoption of these missiles, the PLA Navy creates a reliable system of sea-based nuclear deterrence. In 2012, a successful test launch of this SLBM was carried out; in 2013, these missiles received the opportunity for operational use. It is planned to build a new generation SSBN Type 096.

In addition, China has two multi-purpose submarines Type 093 and builds two more submarines of this class. It is planned to have five boats in the fleet. In the coming 10 years, China may begin construction of a series of low-noise submarines Type 095 with the possibility of strikes against ground targets.

The number of non-nuclear Yuan-class submarines with an air-independent propulsion system can reach 20 units. These submarines significantly enhance the combat capability and offensive capabilities of the Chinese fleet.

More attention is being paid to the deployment of anti-ship ballistic missiles DF-21 with a range of more than 1500 km, which are capable of hitting sea targets, including aircraft carriers, in the western part of the Pacific Ocean. The first missiles of this type entered service in the 2010 year. China also makes great efforts to create radar over-the-horizon detection, which, in combination with satellites, can significantly improve the accuracy of strikes against targets at long range.

It is also reported that China has deployed the largest network of long-range anti-aircraft missile systems.

At the same time, it is noted that the Chinese Navy continues to have weaknesses, including an undeveloped anti-submarine defense network, and there is a shortage of qualified personnel and shortcomings in the centralized control of fleet forces.

the photo shows the launch of the first Chinese SLBM “Jiulan-1”, 1982 year (the underwater launch of this rocket allowed China to become the fifth country in the world with SSBNs)

Comments

[svp67]

What do you say - "extracts" from "extracts". Where is the analysis of the surface forces? Where is the assessment of the possibilities of conducting sea and landing operations?

[Botanologist]

Quote: svp67

And where is the analysis of surface forces?

Most likely, the amers looked at the Chinese Navy in terms of the possibility of counteracting the US Navy. And this explains the attention to the melt, which can cause a lot of problems. And the corvettes and destroyers of the Celestial Empire are not at all dangerous for the US Navy, if only because it is supposed to be drowned by aircraft long before they reach the missile launcher from the Chinese ships. This is in line with the American doctrine of naval battles.
Conversations about a ballistic anti-ship miracle have not yet been confirmed by anything, except for successfully getting into the model of a ship in the desert. That is, the goal is motionless. What will happen in battle is not yet clear.
And there are also questions about the submarine - China has our "Varshavyankas" - the most modern submarines. But this is only coastal patrols and cover for the deployment area. Throwing them on the AUG is the path to heroic death. Although a couple of Berks will drown if they come together.

[I think so]

Most likely, the article does not indicate the conclusions on the surface fleet of China ... And in fact, who is interested in floating targets? They basically do not solve anything - they decide ONLY submarines with ballistic missiles, and everything else is shallow ... That’s p.i.nd.s. and they are focused on the MAIN ...
As for the "Varshavyanka", do not have any illusions, they are now such a MESOSO that at least show them in a museum. The article deals with 20 non-nuclear submarines with a WATER-INDEPENDENT propulsion system, and Russia, IN PRINCIPLE, does not know how to make such boats ... And you mean some nonsense like "Varshavyanka" ...

[patsantre]

Strange article. First of all, where on the Internet can a Pentagon report come from?
And secondly:
"The number of non-nuclear Yuan-class submarines with an air-independent propulsion system can reach 20 units. These submarines will significantly enhance the combat capability and offensive capabilities of the Chinese fleet."

Am I misunderstanding something, or does China have submarines with non-volatile remote controls that we don’t have?

[PN]

Most likely they had in mind ordinary diesel-electric submarines.

[opkozak]

Does China have submarines with non-volatile remote controls that we don’t have?

If Russian scientists sell their development of fuel to non-volatile remote control systems to China, they will have such. In China, a bit of a problem with fundamental chemistry.
And in Russia, I found a dissertation for a candidate of sciences "Technology and hardware design of hydrogen production by hydrothermal oxidation of aluminum for power plants".

Being considered the ability to create sustainable energy using a bunch of hydrogen and electricity. Convert the chemical energy of hydrogen into electrical energy, with high efficiency up to 80%, possibly using power plants with electrochemical generators (ECG).

Launch in China such and so you and non-volatile remote control

[I think so]

Russian scientists DO NOT know how to make engines non-volatile, they themselves are trying to steal or buy such technology from the Germans or Swedes. But the Chinese are ABLE to make such engines ... And now they launch such submarines in a series ...

[bootlegger]

It is very doubtful. The Chinese have obvious problems with materials science. That can not be counted on a computer and requires extensive research and experimentation. Because of this, they still cannot create aircraft engines adequate to the end of the 80s. And you suddenly declare that it suddenly dawned on them in the other direction? Unlikely ....

[Deniska999]

The article is about nothing!

[Prokop]

So far, China (and the development of its defenses) is for us a bit of a distraction. Let the Anglo-Saxons pat the nerves.

[vostok1982]

Yes. I think so too. To do this, they and the aircraft carrier were sold - to divert some of the Anglo-Saxon power. We are arming India for the same purpose. While part of their strength is diverted to their neighbors, it is easier for Russia to modernize the armed forces and restore the unity of the country (at least partially).

[101]

Quote: vostok1982

Let the Anglo-Saxons pat the nerves.

The PRC is in the future a military-industrial superpower and nothing can be done with this. What shall we do? Lay down nuclear explosives everywhere and turn into a country ready to bang the whole world if that is. Another option to consider who will offer no?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Narrow-eyed skewers in one place of the Americans, but for the Russian Federation they pose a threat.

[Beck]

Quote: patsantre

Strange article. First of all, where on the Internet can a Pentagon report come from?

Pentagon reports that do not contain US state secrets are printed in the media.

Quote: patsantre

Am I misunderstanding something, or does China have submarines with non-volatile remote controls that we don’t have?

So the Chinese, not only with Russian military equipment, are tearing off the clones. Most likely they tore it off the German U-212 submarine. How and where tore off is of course the question.

In general, why the hell and with what the hell, Eurases need such a neighboring China? With a hundred millionth army, nuclear weapons, modern aviation and the navy. The USA and Europe are in full swing, and here forces and means must be delayed in Kmtai. And it’s bitter that Russia and Russia delivered the aircraft and tank building to them.

[PN]

There is no great threat to us from Europe. They are self-destructing from the inside; in the European part of Russia, it is enough to have self-defense forces. But on the Asian side you need to play muscles more often.

[individual]

In the overland direction, there are problems from China for Russia and they are based on the huge numerical superiority of the PRC reservists. And in the murky report of the Japan-Washington analysis for Russia, "Chinese submarines in the steppes of Kazakhstan" are seen. Or something like that.

[Roll]

Firstly, the report is somehow old. To a country where the military budget is spread by 10 percent per year, a different approach is needed. For example, weak anti-submarine defense. Where did the author get it. China annually makes up to 10 stealth corvettes, the same number of frigates, 3-4 destroyers. Because of where the author feels the lack of qualified personnel in the PLA. And the shortcomings in centralized fleet management are expressed in what. For example, our Indian aircraft carrier went to sea and the boilers flew, and the Chinese Varangian had already made 10 exits and put 15 ji. You can’t look at the PLA army with disdain, only a sober and the most objective assessment. Yes, and some kind of disease in all of China copies. Yes su 27-30 copied, ji 20 and ji 31 ​​did it myself. Yes, he will buy the Amur submarine from us, so we are glad to sell it, he buys harmony however.

[avt]

There is simply nothing to discuss, there is simply no material on the fleet .-

[HAM]

If the whole report is like that, I'm glad for the intelligence of the Navy and the Pentagon

[Thunderbolt]

Since 2000, these reports have been compiled for hearings in Congress. The following is much more interesting and revealing: The following diagram with data from www.globalsecurity.org illustrates the increase in the official size of the PRC's military budget from 1989 to 2012. Even taking into account the presence of hidden costs, this diagram shows well that a sharp increase in military spending began around the mid-2000s. In 2013, the defense budget increased by another 10,7% and amounted to 720,2 billion yuan, that is, approximately $ 116 billion.

[MG42]

China is actively developing its navy, conducting exercises, here in the video there are launches of Chinese missiles >>>

[Thunderbolt]

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[MG42]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Each landing boat can carry 1 tank, 2 infantry fighting vehicles and 80 landing personnel.

Here's another topic >>>
Ukraine sold the first air-cushion landing ship to the People’s Republic of China, which was built by Theodosia Shipbuilding Company More on a special order from the Chinese Navy.
Ukrspetsexport stated that during the acceptance of the landing craft, the Chinese side highly appreciated the quality of work performed by Ukrainian enterprises.
Note that at the moment, the construction of a similar ship for the Chinese customer is underway at FSK "More". Two similar vessels will be built in China with the participation of domestic specialists using Ukrainian components
The largest project 958 hovercraft in the world is designed to receive naval assault personnel and military equipment from an unequipped or equipped shore, transport by sea, provide fire support and land landing troops on an unequipped coast. In addition, he can transport mines and set mines.
Based on materials: segodnya.ua

[knn54]

- At the same time, it is noted that the Chinese Navy continues to have weaknesses, including an undeveloped anti-submarine defense network, there is a lack of qualified personnel and shortcomings in the centralized management of the fleet.
The economy of China depends on the stability of maritime trade — if the coast of the PRC turns into a submarine war zone, then the economy of the PRC in three months.
The Navy has only a few minesweepers. According to most experts, mine defense forces are the weakest component of the Chinese fleet.
What it can lead to-cm. The Tallinn Breakthrough in 1941 ...
In addition to ballistic missiles, the Chinese do not have their own high-quality models of naval weapons and weapons. Those that are available are clones with poorer characteristics compared to the originals. The Chinese Navy, for example, lacks automatic artillery shells of all calibers, torpedoes and mines of its own design. Lag - 10 years (minimum).

[WW3]

Quote: knn54

Lag - 10 years (minimum)

Your statement or quote from VERY old material is not supported by anything
Watch the video for 2012 - here the PLA in all its glory

[Arct]

knn54, when they wrote about the Tallinn breakthrough - did you think? Compare the puddle and the coast washed by open seas, plus the futility of attempts to occupy the coastal territory with enemy troops (I'm talking about the reality of these actions).
Look at the map and try to analyze what forces need to turn the entire coast of China into a submarine war zone (do not forget about the counteraction of the Chinese Navy and land supplies).
Backlog in artillery is not a determining factor. Especially like in China. And by the way, tell us what your statements about the 10-year backlog are based on. I see only problems in control systems, but not in the element base.

[VohaAhov]

Let's decide a bit. Today, the Chinese Navy is developing so dynamically. And it is developing in all directions. We would have their pace of construction. Over 10 years, they commissioned about 20 frigates. We are not one. Well and further on the list: destroyers, nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers, corvettes, landing ships, naval aviation, etc. It is worth recognizing that our Pacific Fleet is much weaker than the Chinese Navy. Remember the extreme ship of rank 1 or even 2 joined the Pacific Fleet back in 1992. That's how our government cares about the defense capabilities of our country.

[101]

[quote = VohaAkhov] That's how our government cares about the defense capabilities of our country.
I think our government understands that we cannot stand such a race. How to be? We are building up and improving Syas. The rest is all for local conflicts and defense of the same nuclear forces. Maybe someone thinks we can fight a full-scale war against NATO or the PRC, or we are ready if necessary to quickly seize one of the US coasts and develop an attack on them washington And if the United States does not go to a bright future, then the PRC is rushing there with leaps and bounds. Only Kuzkina’s mother or something like that will cover us.

[101]

Judging by the minus, someone thinks otherwise, he’s just shy to say Well, don’t be ashamed to say how we can do it all Just don’t have to talk about Coca-Cola that we won’t give up and the United States will immediately be blown away

[RSNV.]

Anyone who believes otherwise does not know the real combat capability of the RF Armed Forces

[APASUS]

The only and unconditional fact is that the Americans go to tame China from the sea. Blocking trade routes, but in an area like Southeast Asia, it’s almost impossible! We’ll have to disrupt the trade of the entire region.

[knn54]

Arct: knn54, when they wrote about the Tallinn breakthrough - did you think?
1. I think. ALL imported food (from Australia), more than 30% of oil (from the Persian Gulf), iron ore ... block ports with mines from the same submarines and that's it. And minesweepers can purposefully cover immediately.
2. What forces need to turn the entire coast of China into a submarine war zone. Have you forgotten about Japan, NATO and others? Yes, and from other areas can pull up, from the same Atlantic.
3..What are your statements about the 10 year backlog based?
Last year I read a serious article (verified source). It was written there ... 15 years.
4. I see only problems in control systems, but not in the element base.
And I see, in the element base. You are aware that the so-called "dual-use products (military acceptance, we have)" the PRC also receives from Taiwan.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: 101

We build and improve syas

I would not want to think that conflicts with China are ahead, but in the case of a hypothetical blow, does the iPhone have enough resolve, for example, to launch a yao? Or is it easier to leave for London? For some reason, it seems that it's easier to London
and also, one pack, for example, will lose to 50 Chinese counterparts
and one Russian infantryman will not be able to fight with a hundred Chinese.
And with the development of the pro and the concept of a preventive non-nuclear strike, not everything is so simple - they were already completely reduced

[101]

It should be enough to warn about the launch of one warning missile in the desert region of China And China should be smart enough that this could be the end I think the events will develop just like that Well, maybe land mines with reference to something like Rocket Perimeter are not an option but they work how many years without war and what without them would be?

[Pilat2009]

The same article says that:
It is also reported that China has deployed the largest network of long-range anti-aircraft missile systems.
S-300 class is capable of intercepting cr and ballistic + additional Chinese developments

[Roll]

Cool chatlanin MG 42 specially posted a clip where the rocket starts both from the ocean and from the corvette, the automatic gun hits the guns, the Harling machine gun, and you're all about 0-15 years old.

[ABV]

all this bullshit ... the Pentagon is trying to squeeze the grandmother from Congress ... DEPL with VNEU, over-the-horizon radars, ballistic anti-ship missiles ... all these are BIG CHINESE DREAMS, which another 10-15 years will not come true ... if the current of technology does not hang down us (and the Germans U-212 current on ALL Amerov treasuries will exchange China, no less) !!

[101]

Chinese dreams go forward only with a pillar of dust. What prevents them from coming true? Didn't our sagacious komenty Miraculously said they were lagging behind and it seemed easier It became like an ostrich's head in the sand and China moved away by 10-15 years

[Roll]

Strange opinions here, China is a hard worker, we are loafers by and large, the Chinese have made both the bathyscaphe and the compass system half launched, and df 31a rockets, and satellites to the moon launched the space station heavenly palace, soon the thorium power station will be launched, and the automatic cannon well create. Lenovo is behind China, and behind us is a system that will not pull Lenovo's branch. China annually graduates the most engineers in the world and a significant part studies at foreign universities. But it won’t do a mine or a torpedo, and China bought 1995 kilo-class submarines with torpedoes and cruise missiles launched from torpedo tubes in 8. figured out their device.

[Arct]

knn54
1) Everything is clear on supplies; do not be friends with the military economy. I won’t break spears here. Read books on the topic (how to get around the problems you mentioned).
2) Japan, NATO, from other areas. Yeah, everyone signed up and pounced on the unfortunate and lonely China. This is either the third world (which is silly to consider as an option), or look for real arguments. And yes, minesweepers will of course be the primary goal, no doubt;)
3) Serious article, verified source, 15 years. Either a link to the studio, or sweep. At leisure, read about the artillery of the NATO countries and the USA (years of adoption, modernization and availability on ships).
4) Do you know what the element base of artillery is? If not, do not write nonsense. And about the use of the element base in military control systems - do you believe that China uses at least something from Taiwan? Although yes, if you read the Wikipedia articles, then China has nothing of its own, not even copies)

[RSNV.]

For knn54
4) China for a long time and successfully develops its semiconductor production (production of microelectronics products) and has achieved considerable success in this. The United States recognizes this and is very concerned about it. Do not underestimate the possibilities of China.

[knn54]

for rsnv:
Read for the cause of the accident GLONASS satellites, American military aircraft, etc.
I don’t argue, corruption could not be avoided. And I just assess the possibility of the PRC very highly.
Andrei: A CHINA (electronics engineer) told me that the PRC bought chips for SU BALLISTIC ROCKETS from Taiwan (at least a couple of years ago). It is true that Taiwan sells them electronic products of not the latest developments, this is understandable.
Regarding minesweepers, read and think, for example, why Japan needs 35 minesweepers (more than destroyers!) And a couple of mine loaders.
Workaround. Look what is happening around China. REALLY, except for the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan and Pakistan, there are practically no friendly countries to China. The last two can create problems. Yes, and the Uyghurs will harm. And you, as a connoisseur of the military economy, do not need to explain what can happen on railway (and not only) during conflicts.
As for the "amicably signed" If the US gets seriously involved in the conflict, then Japan and the UK will unambiguously sign, and Australia will simply stop supplying food. As for the Atlantic, I agree that the Chinese can "cheat" on the Panama Canal. True, the Japanese (during the 2nd World War) did not succeed.
Let's hope that this does not come to this.

[urus12]

At one time, the USSR copied aircraft to the flesh to rivets, today it has the best developments in aviation. I do not think that China will limit itself to copying foreign technology. I sold their cars and I can say that at first we were selling cars with licensed engines, under the Japanese brand. Then came (and this is the main thing) their own developments (Japanese, hybrid, Chinese). I think they are very far advanced in engine development today. What did I mean by that? And then the guys: no matter what we say, but they "stick" and I want to say very cool! Pay attention to how long they did it. We must pay tribute. Well, in Russia ........... Do not forget. Russians harness for a long time! But sowing ..... famously ride. You need patience.

[Kowalsky]

I think the Americans should not be bothered by the state of the Chinese fleet, but by what they will feed the billion prisoners when China declares war on them and immediately surrenders :)

In fact, the Pentagon understands that while the Chinese Navy is no match for them, they support the idea that it is more dangerous than it really is. Then it makes sense to allocate bucks for the purchase of super-ships with laser fly swatter and destroyers for a billion apiece.

[Toit]

To jump over the Americans, China still needs to oh how to raise its GDP

[RSNV.]

US GDP is falling, while China is growing

[Kowalsky]

GDP is a relative concept. Tell about their growing GDP to those Chinese who die in villages or to those lucky people who live in urban cells (in the literal sense of the word in cells), because they cannot afford such luxury as a separate apartment.

[Boa kaa]

Fleet is an instrument of the state, therefore, the States, getting into the Asia-Pacific region, evaluate the threats that they will face. The development dynamics of the PRC fleet speaks of the serious intentions of a "competing company." And then there's rapprochement with Russia. Dual-use technologies, copying ...
But most of all spoil the mood of amers economic growth China. Who remembers the story: the Anglo-Saxons have always intrigued and undermined by any means the power of the second power of the continent. (Spain, France, Russia, Germany). Now, apparently, the time has come for China and the States. Will it come to an armed confrontation time will tell. But the fact that the parties are preparing for this seriously, some facts say. So,Saudi Arabia is going to buy DF-21 missiles from China (The Dong-Feng 21). Saudis are clients of the States. But it is DF-21 that is supposed to be used against AVU. What happened to the Iraqi Scuds, when their Amers studied their AUs, everyone remembers. The situation for stripes is further complicated by the fact that the PRC has boats equipped with new solid-fuel ballistic missiles "Tszyulan-2" with a firing range of 7400 km. With the adoption of these missiles, China is creating a reliable sea-based nuclear deterrence system. Of the RBD southeast of the Kuril Islands, 75% of the United States will be within reach. It is planned the construction of SSBNs Type 096, with 24 silos on board. Therefore, China is more and more serious about resolving the issue of uniting the country into a single state, the problem of leadership in the region. The task of the States is to prevent this.

[VohaAhov]

[quote = 101] [quote = VohaAhov] That's how our government cares about the defense capabilities of our country.
I think our government understands that we cannot stand such a race. How to be? We are building up and improving Syas. The rest is all for local conflicts and defense of the same nuclear forces. Maybe someone thinks we can fight a full-scale war against NATO or the PRC, or we are ready if necessary to quickly seize one of the US coasts and develop an attack on them washington And if the United States does not go to a bright future, the PRC is rushing there by leaps and bounds. Only Kuzkina’s mother or something like that will cover us. [/ Quote]

Our government understands when "takes out". It is one thing when he understands, and the other one never does anything. These are two different things.

[Arct]

Nicholas.
I also have familiar Chinese (albeit not electronic engineers). I did not meet more secretive people. Any information (even extended, in simple terms) has to be double-checked. Therefore, I do not always trust open sources.
Minesweepers from the Japanese? Well, all your layouts are just right for them - they only have sea routes. Yes, and they are scared from the last war.
Regarding REALLY - to interrupt China’s land routes of communication means to draw all its entourage into the war - and this is again a world war. Neither Russia, nor Pakistan, nor Iran and India can scare the creation of problems.
I don’t argue, the US allies will subscribe, but again only in case of a big war, and a local attack, as in the beginning of the 20th century, is no longer expected (we won’t consider miracles).
The only possible option is a local conflict in the region, but then the USA disappears as an open participant in the conflict. And the armed forces of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam (ideally) are not in a position to fulfill the designated tasks.

[1c-inform-city]

The article is about nothing. China has no boats with VNEU. He is only going to order them from us (Amur 1650,950). Moreover, with the payment for design, and we are talking about 4 boats. Purchases of such boats by Pakistan and other countries from Germany and France have shown that they cannot ensure their full operation. Today, not a single one has been put into service. China does not have combat duty Now there’s not a single nuclear submarine with ballistic missiles, everything has been in trial operation for a long time already. Well, they can’t bring them to mind right now. They aren’t building ships of the 1st rank either. Moreover, we must take into account that they have our frigate and our corvette mr. DF21 in my opinion a PR linden.