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Leaving the second grade. Latvian authorities have once again confirmed their anti-Russian character

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Amendments to the law on citizenship adopted by the Saeima of Latvia, allowed the citizens of this country to keep the Latvian citizenship acceptance of the citizenship of the EU or NATO. Since local authorities are trying to deal with the process of labor migration from the country. However, leaving for Russia this right will continue to be deprived.


Deputies Latvian Saeima adopted amendments to the citizenship law to allow the citizens of this country to hold dual citizenship. However, not all.

According to the document, which is to come into force in October, those who receive citizenship of an EU member state, the European Free Trade Association or NATO will be able to retain Latvian citizenship, Delfi reports. “Those who receive citizenship of an EU member state can save Latvian citizenship, European Free Trade Association or NATO ”. In addition, persons who have obtained citizenship of a country with which Latvia has concluded an agreement on the recognition of dual citizenship, as well as those who have passport of a citizen of Australia, Brazil or New Zealand. Russia, CIS countries and Israel were not included in this list.

As for those who have acquired the citizenship of the States that are not mentioned in the list, in order to preserve the Latvian citizenship they would need permission from the government of the country.

Latvian citizenship will remain as persons who acquired citizenship of other countries as a result of marriage or adoption.

In addition, dual citizenship is allowed and by ethnicity. Latvians and Livs (Finno-Ugric peoples, who lived on the territory of modern Latvia until the coming of the Baltic tribes - approx. LOOK) living abroad will be able to get a Latvian passport, provided knowledge of the language and confirm that their ancestors lived in the territory of Latvia.

The amendments specify that a child at the time of birth is one of the parents was a citizen of Latvia, will automatically receive citizenship, regardless of place of birth. Born in Latvia after August 21 1991, children of non-citizens are recognized Latvian citizens if their permanent place of residence is Latvia, and if before that they never had another nationality or were non-citizens.

The amendments also clarify the procedure for deprivation and restoration of Latvian citizenship, renunciation of citizenship and naturalization. For example, the privileges on examinations will be given to persons who have received basic education in the Latvian language, who have mastered more than half of the basic education program in Latvian, or a complete general secondary or vocational education program, reports Gorod.lv.

The amendments, which have been drafted for almost two years, voted in favor of the 54 deputy, the 27 representatives of the opposition Harmony Center (CA) opposed. The deputies of the CA declared during the five-hour debate that the amendments contribute to segregation and discrimination, since some residents are deemed unworthy of automatic citizenship.

According to the parliamentarians, the law distinguishes between Latvian citizens on first and second grade, imposes additional restrictions on naturalization and sent to the rejection of the principle of the political nation, approved the Constitution. The MPs argued that a citizen of Latvia, who left the UK and wish to take citizenship of the British Crown, will be in a better situation than the one who will go to Russia and wants to become a citizen.

According to the current legislation in the country, when the Latvian citizen takes the citizenship of another country, he shall, within 30 days to inform the Office of Citizenship and Migration Board, which begins the process of weaning him Latvian citizenship. In practice this does not usually do, on many years using two passports.

If somebody declares the owner of two passports, the authorities can begin to select Latvian citizenship in a judicial procedure, but according to the letter of the law, choosing citizenship is the judge’s right, not his duty, and this practice is used selectively. In addition to the actual seizure of the passport for such violators, no punishment is provided.

“For all the time of independence, only about 2000 people were deprived of Latvian citizenship. The pattern is as follows: those who took Russian citizenship are deprived of Latvian immediately, - the Latvian HAC newspaper quotes the words of the deputy from the “Harmony Center” Boris Tsilevich. “Sometimes subpoenas are sent to those who live in Israel.” But the cases started have been dragging on for years and have not yet reached a decision. And I don’t know if the Latvian passport was taken from those who took the citizenship of the United States, Britain, Germany. ”
“14% of the inhabitants of Latvia still do not have citizenship of any state. The situation is at a standstill, and the only way to overcome the inhumane attitude towards non-citizens is to create a representative office and vote in the parliamentary elections for those who are not represented in June. However, we hope that in Latvia there are still forces interested in the consolidation of society. Therefore, the Congress of non-citizens intends to appeal to the President of Latvia Andris Berzins with a request not to proclaim the entry of the Law on Citizenship into force, ”Regnum cites the words of the non-citizen Congress activist Valery Komarov.

It should be noted that in recent years the authorities of Latvia have big problems with the rapidly declining population: many people leave the country to work in the EU, and if possible, get a passport of a country within the euro area, refuse to Latvian citizenship. In total, according to various estimates, from the country over the past twenty years has left about four hundred thousand people - mostly in the West. Only in 2011 year left the country about 30 thousand people.

Apparently, it was precisely in order not to lose these people at least formally, and sent a bill. On Friday, the Bloomberg Businessweek publication released data according to which Latvia ranks sixth in the world in terms of population decline. The study indicates that the birth rate in this country remains one of the lowest in the world, and the death rate exceeds the birth rate. According to these forecasts, over the next few decades, the population of Latvia will decrease by 9,8%, by 2050, only 1,799 million people will live on the territory of the country. Now in Latvia, according to official data, about 2,2 million people live.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 11 May 2013 07: 24 New
    +8
    Nationalism, which brought so much grief to people in Europe in the middle of the 20 century, alas, was not completely defeated. How much more blood is needed to make people appreciate human life?
    1. patline
      patline 11 May 2013 08: 26 New
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      Soon they, who will leave, who will rest and again there will be no such country - Latvia. We will only have to enter our tanks into the desert-no man land))) Historical justice is restored.)))
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 11 May 2013 09: 18 New
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        "allow the citizens of this country to retain Latvian citizenship with the adoption of citizenship of the EU or NATO countries."

        Particularly pleased about NATO, would they add countries where gay marriage is allowed, why stop halfway?
        1. afire
          afire 11 May 2013 23: 49 New
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          The Latvian government, in its stupidity, is acting farther and fatter every day. One gets the impression that there are proteges whose goal is to remove Latvia as a state. Maybe the Germans are stirring up? next to our Kaliningrad, all the same, if then instead of Latvia there will be German lands, then, in principle, the Germans will regain the square kilometers they lost in the war. How else to explain such nonsense that they pass off as Nazism? (I do not pretend to the truth in any way, just thoughts)
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  2. treskoed
    treskoed 11 May 2013 07: 25 New
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    Can it be that our diplomats and deputies cannot come up with an elegant move that would put an end to discrimination against Russia by Latvia, etc.?
    1. svp67
      svp67 11 May 2013 08: 07 New
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      Quote: treskoed
      Can it be that our diplomats and deputies cannot come up with an elegant move that would put an end to discrimination against Russia by Latvia, etc.?

      Yes, there are not very many "graceful" moves. You just need to have POLITICAL WILL.
      1. astra
        astra 11 May 2013 13: 50 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Yes, there are not very many "graceful" moves. You just need to have POLITICAL WILL.

        I agree with you, because there are many levers of influence on the Baltic countries, for example, economic ones, to ban the transit of Russian goods to the west through their territory, in an extreme case, to temporarily ban the economic blockade, to do business with them and much more. The main thing would be political will
        1. smile
          smile 11 May 2013 14: 17 New
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          astra
          Yeah, and the Baltic states will close the connection with the Kaliningrad region .. and we will be like the Germans near Stalingrad ... the region’s supply of the sea will not be full ... we have at least two-thirds of our foodstuffs from our neighbors, all the flour from which bread is baked - imported, we get at least half of the electricity from the Lithuanians - until we finish building our nuclear power plant, and if they start putting sticks in the wheels to the movement of Kaliningraders outside the region, we will generally turn sour ... they have ample opportunity to blackmail Russia with us ... unfortunately ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 11 May 2013 16: 44 New
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            about the food in KO, they themselves are to blame, the region is able to provide itself with meat with dairy products, poultry, etc., with the exception of flour, but for some reason it is more profitable to get from Poland
            as for the departure, well, they’re unlikely to be able to block the flight Moscow-Kaliningrad by the way, very often half empty
            1. sergaivenski
              sergaivenski 11 May 2013 22: 17 New
              +2
              I agree with you. I once served in the Baltic States. Specifically: in Lithuania and Kaliningrad. Even then, in 1980, the Baltic people openly despised us Russians.
              And this is because after the Great Patriotic War, rebuilt the destroyed Riga,
              almost did not use artillery in the capture of Vilnius, they liquidated the Zemland group of Nazis (remained behind the forces of the 3rd Baltic Front), etc.
              And by and large, the Baltic countries (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia) the West does not need !!!
              Unless for the sale of their products !!! Otherwise than to explain the fact that emigration
              not weak from the Baltic !!! And who is waiting for them in the West?
            2. smile
              smile 12 May 2013 00: 28 New
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              Vasilenko Vladimir
              You are only partially right ... Yes, it’s to blame ..... durum wheat (in my opinion it is called that) suitable for the production of bread is not grown here, only technical although the Germans somehow coped ...: ((( , poultry farming is developed, but it’s hard to compete at the price of these made from Bush hens ... animal husbandry was destroyed in the 90s, it is recovering slowly ... their Poland is more profitable - their producer’s support reduces the price + customs payments for the transit of our goods from Russia. ..as far as I understand, airplanes still fly in their airspace .... the sea ferry to St. Petersburg is almost dead .... they go mainly by train-cost-effectiveness ... and sometimes there aren’t enough tickets for an airplane- as luck would have it, when you really need :))))
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 May 2013 11: 02 New
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                livestock breeding pressures prices in our KO meat prices are several times lower than in the rest of Russia almost on the verge of a foul, feed over the past 2 years increased by 2-3 times fuel 2 electricity 2, and the meat as it was and remained in the same price, also face back
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 May 2013 11: 28 New
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                Germans and wheat, most likely they also grew soft wheat
          2. astra
            astra 11 May 2013 23: 47 New
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            Then Vasilenko answered for me. Vladimir told you that the supply can be imported from Poland there and the prices are lower than in Russia, as well as air communication, ferries, motor ships. Was in the Canary Islands so there high-speed ships provide communication with the mainland, the interval of movement every 3 hours.
            1. smile
              smile 12 May 2013 00: 37 New
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              astra
              Our ferry crossing is unprofitable and barely alive, I doubt that it can be quickly revived at the present time ... As for the Canary ... look at the map ... do you really think that in case of blockade Poland does not join it ... with a whistle- those are still enemies .... and electricity? ... although this, of course, will be a legitimate reason to break the corridor through Lithuania! :))) Enough for that, it’s unlikely that Nat will have time to react ... :))))
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 May 2013 11: 49 New
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                Psheks at the first opportunity prices will rise, even without a blockade
              2. astra
                astra 12 May 2013 13: 35 New
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                With a big desire, you can. You can import ferries to Kaliningrad if Poland blocks, although I doubt that they will dare, since in turn we can introduce an economic blockade on our part. I think NATO will not stand up for the Baltic states, but did not stand up for Georgia.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 12 May 2013 13: 55 New
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                  Well, first of all, Poland, like the three sprat republics, are essentially not independent states, and if they are told what needs to be blocked, they will do it, then how it will affect these pseudo states, deep down over the ocean ... b.
                  the question is not in the ferry or what other crossing, but in the fact that you need to raise your economy and be self-sufficient
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 May 2013 11: 11 New
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              Quote: astra
              Then they answered for me. Vasilenko Vladimir told you that the supply can be imported from Poland is more profitable there and the prices are lower than in Russia

              I'm sorry, but I’ve said such stupidity that I’ve imported food from Poland, and even more so that it’s more profitable.
              I wrote that it’s hard here with my livestock breeding precisely because of dumping prices, and not about what is profitable to ditch, I wrote that the region is self-sufficient in terms of agricultural production
              1. astra
                astra 12 May 2013 13: 41 New
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                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                I'm sorry, but I’ve said such stupidity that I’ve imported food from Poland, and even more so that it’s more profitable.

                I added about myself that I can import products from Poland, and I do not consider it stupid, as Poland will gladly offer its services as it is profitable.
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                and not that it’s profitable to ditch,

                Excuse me, but here you are already writing nonsense, attributing to me that I suggest ditching my livestock production. I did not write about this.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 12 May 2013 13: 58 New
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                  Quote: astra
                  I added from Poland on my own, and I do not consider it stupid, since Poland will gladly offer its services as it is profitable.

                  from a state point of view, this is not even stupidity, it is HARMFUL. Psheki will give low prices as long as there is at least some remnants of their farm, as soon as it dies, prices will be set according to the principle - "you don't like the big bazaar" look elsewhere ", not to mention possible conflicts when supplies are simply cut off and we will suck the paw.
                  Quote: astra
                  attributing to me that I propose ditching my livestock industry. I did not write about this.

                  so it follows from the development of your postulate
                  1. astra
                    astra 12 May 2013 17: 45 New
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                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    from a state point of view, this is not even stupidity, it is HARMFUL. Psheki will give low prices as long as there is at least some remnants of their farm, as soon as it dies, prices will be set according to the principle - "you don't like the big bazaar" look elsewhere ", not to mention possible conflicts when supplies are simply cut off and we will suck the paw.

                    You chop the shoulder without understanding. In my first comment I wrote that the oppression in the Baltic states can be answered with economic sanctions, which were partially applied earlier. I just proposed the idea that in the case of the BLOCKADE of Kaliningrad, the Baltic countries can temporarily bring food to the situation before resolving the situation from Poland, which is closer and more economical there than by ferry from St. Petersburg. And as for the demolition of agricultural enterprises by Western countries, I know this is their ploy, they dump prices to knock out and ruin local agricultural products, then, after the collapse, they inflate prices, although Russia may in response buy products from other countries where prices are lower, so By the way, it happens with those products that we are not yet able to saturate our market.
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    so it follows from the development of your postulate

                    You misunderstood me. I already know this topic firsthand, since I myself have 1 agricultural education and I studied all this and had to work by profession, do I really think I'm an enemy to myself? I, on the contrary, for raising agriculture in the country and protecting local agricultural producers.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 May 2013 18: 04 New
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                      Quote: astra
                      I just suggested the idea that in the case of the BLOCKADE of Kaliningrad, the Baltic countries can temporarily deliver food to the situation before resolving the situation from Poland, which is closer and more economical there than by ferry from St. Petersburg

                      sprats are de facto not independent, respectively, if suddenly they decide to block KOs, then the order will be about it from the outside and not only to them, but also to the pshek, otherwise there is no sense in such a demarche
        2. andris_74
          andris_74 11 May 2013 15: 40 New
          +1
          You forgot about 14% of non-citizens who do not have the right to work in the state. sector and workers in private firms. Moreover, the overwhelming majority of these "Russian" firms work with the Russian Federation. Beat your own so strangers are afraid?
    2. late
      late 11 May 2013 09: 37 New
      +4
      The fact is that when a Russian enterprise opens a subsidiary in Latvia, for example, Severstal has established in Latvia Severstallat, the sixth Latvian trade turnover enterprise, this is welcomed, meetings of local authorities and Mordashov are organized through the Russian ambassador, and he is awarded for contribution to the economy. But this is capital, and in the social sphere, the Latvian authorities insult the memory of people who defeated fascism, most of them Russians, they call them occupiers, this is the narrow-mindedness of a savage who bites the hand that feeds him.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 11 May 2013 09: 52 New
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        Quote: spat
        it is the narrow-mindedness of the savage biting the hand that feeds him.

        And to the teeth of them! To the teeth! Yes, tight! In order not to bite from now on!
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 11 May 2013 12: 33 New
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          "And in the teeth for them!" This requires political will and courage, and our Lavrov is silent as a piss! It can be seen that the protection of the Russian population can damage commercial relations, so they do not interfere!
    3. andris_74
      andris_74 11 May 2013 15: 35 New
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      So far, all the moves have dealt primarily a blow to the Russian-speaking inhabitants of the Baltic states, as the most active part of the population with economic ties in the east.
    4. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 11 May 2013 22: 16 New
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      Deputies and an elegant move? This does not exist in nature ....
  3. fenix57
    fenix57 11 May 2013 07: 41 New
    +5
    Hello!
    And Aborigines from Australia and Maori from New Zealand will live in Latvia ...
    Yeah ... and a new fleet in the Baltic ... still, would change the climate! hi
  4. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 11 May 2013 08: 06 New
    +1
    Well, as they say, we muttered each other the whole story, well, well, we are waiting for ALL Russians in Latvia in Russia
  5. Bosk
    Bosk 11 May 2013 08: 47 New
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    So, for example, I belong to the category of NON-citizen and this has its advantages, for example, when a discussion arises with Latvians "Why did Latvia end up in such an OPPE?" ... then I declare with a clear conscience to the concerned gentlemen ... You wanted to build a country without opposition, depriving potential oppositionists of citizenship and in the course of the right to vote? ... you built it, then all the jambs are on your conscience! and most of them then go into sadness. Again, non-residents do not have the right to official work in Europe, and they usually only play pranks there, but mostly live and work in Latvia, but a correct and honest patriot Latvian has the right to official work and live there ... and he really is Sometimes it just takes laughter looking at how our gentlemen parliamentarians are trying to cover their old jambs with new ones ...
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 11 May 2013 10: 24 New
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      Quote: Bosk
      Sometimes it just takes laughter looking at how our gentlemen parliamentarians are trying to block their old jambs with new ones ...

      So almost all countries of the former USSR are affected by this.
      They rewrite history, come up with passports, citizenship, change constitutions, rename cities, build monuments - EVERYTHING WILL BE PLEASANT TO DO NOT ECONOMY ONLY!
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 11 May 2013 08: 53 New
    +4
    On Friday, Bloomberg Businessweek published the data according to which Latvia ranks sixth in the world in population loss. The study indicates that the birth rate in this country remains one of the lowest in the world, and the mortality rate exceeds the birth rate.

    If only Russian was not concerned. Is fertility encouraged in Russia? Encouraged. But what if you pay maternity capital to those living in Latvia? This is a penny on the scale of Russia, and in Latvia (after 20 years) the situation can radically change in our favor.
    1. Delink
      Delink 11 May 2013 09: 51 New
      +5
      Nah ...... they are needed. They always aspired to geyrop. so why should we help them? Let them degenerate as a nation.
  7. Semurg
    Semurg 11 May 2013 10: 05 New
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    I have a question for non-citizens why there is no mass exodus to Russia if they are severely infringed on their rights. Maybe the main reason is still economic and not socio-political, as our former compatriots often write here (the fish seeks where the person is deeper where better). It turns out in the Baltic the standard of living is higher than in Russia and there is an opportunity further to Europe, and therefore there is no Russian exodus to Russia. In Kazakhstan, especially in the 90s, the economic level was low and therefore there was a mass exodus of Russians. then to refute your move began to come up with a legend about nationalism in Kazakhstan. Now when the level has grown and departure has decreased, and those who left having predicted that we will have a full train, now that the forecast does not come true instead of rejoicing, became the first detractors of Kazakhstan.
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 11 May 2013 10: 48 New
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      Someone left economic problems, someone because of pressure on a national basis, in general, it was an attempt to evade problems ... roughly speaking, in the opinion of most of the remaining, they fled ... in a sense betraying the remaining (no offense to them) .Remaining in my example, they stayed because my old men smashed the Courland Cauldron here, then they served here and rest here, here the people whom I respect ... love. In this land I have invested half (I hope) of life. And it’s ugly to RUN ... again, DO NOT RUN FROM YOURSELF! And secondly ... perhaps looking at the political map and it looks like Latvia is a separate state, but at the household level over the past year or a century, everything has twisted between Latvia and Russia on family ties, in trade and other things ... that we by any chance, we were in the same bunch and wake up sooner or later, and the present moment ... it's just such an incident of history, and here it’s all cool, we are all to blame.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 11 May 2013 13: 57 New
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        Thank you Vlad for your answer. Somewhere I thought that the reason for leaving was different, otherwise, reading the comments, it seems that my people and the elite do not sleep, they do not eat, but only thinks how to oppress Russia and the Russians (and economic and national problems must be solved, but not to run away from them, they will still catch up and kick the head at the most unexpected moment "the law of meanness has not been canceled") Well, plus you can't run away from yourself. It's just that sometimes it clings that all the refugees have sold everything in the market and left for their historical homeland (they tried to sell them to their own, and if it did not work, they sold them to the Kazakhs at the market price at that time). For some reason the Russians indulge in this (probably refugee status gives some preferences) At the expense of the political card I read the comments - Russia has two allies, the army and the navy, well, at best, Belarus and Ukraine. All former republics are enemies who are always ready you are a knife in the back, straight mania of persecution, which is intensely fueled by former Kazakhs. Our elite wants to build a new union, but reading the opinion of the "street" they take doubts about the advisability of this step. Maybe the authorities think the dog is barking, the caravan is coming?
    2. smile
      smile 11 May 2013 14: 41 New
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      Semurg
      Not everyone can drop everything and move overnight ... it's not so simple, especially since many would have to go nowhere ... Well, for example, it’s impossible to force my grandmother to move in principle ... nothing ... when I called her to her, she told me - I didn’t run away with the Nazis, but somehow I’ll endure them somehow ... that’s why my mother and stepfather stayed in Klaipeda, although they have housing in Belarus, where they Undoubtedly, in due course they will leave ... my stepfather is a Belarusian, the company is focused on Belarus ...
      the main reason why they didn’t leave — there’s nowhere to go ... Russian-speakers became isolated in their own world, they work mainly in private enterprises ... some of them were practically assimilated, well, mostly from ardent perestroika-rebels of the regime, and patched up by Lithuanian patriots ....
      Semurg, I am very glad that Kazakhstan is the only republic (except for Belarus) where Russians are not discriminated against, but are cared for and cherished ... I was filled with contempt for the thousands of refugees from Kazakhstan who came to the Kaliningrad region (we have a particularly large number of them, some arrived very wealthy, but most are poverty, but given their high level of education and their ability and desire to work better than the locals, refugees from Kazakhstan have settled down and live very well here), thanks to a few of your comments, I discerned the vile envious nature of thousands of Russian refugees from the ideal country of Kazakhstan ... apparently, these scoundrels conspired in advance how to slander your good compatriots and memorize the "legend" .... you know, accusations like yours against people, many of whom abandoned everything and just fled, very distrust your conclusions and make you question your sincerity ...
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 11 May 2013 18: 48 New
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        Yes, the refugees who sold everything on the market, well, the Kazakhs are to blame that the wrong amount came out. But to cherish and cherish no one else if you don’t move yourself, well, well done that they know how to work better than the local ones and they can be pulled to their level.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 May 2013 19: 44 New
          +1
          For me, the position of BOSK is closer and more understandable (you cannot run away from yourself) than those who left and hait their former homeland, neighbors, classmates, friends, or maybe they lived, were friends, studied only with persons of Slavic nationality? And of course, REFUGEES, like in the song "Voskresenya", either birds are flying migratory, or crystals are fleeing from the ship (though this song concerned the Jews on their departure from the USSR to Israel). , as you constantly demand from me on this site. Well, I am writing if I offended anyone, excuse me not for gain.
          1. smile
            smile 11 May 2013 21: 34 New
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            Semurg
            Once again, you forgot to notice that I wrote this in response (I repeat, IN RESPONSE) to your insult to thousands of our refugees, who, by the way, do not cry out all of yours ... that, really, you really have so much hatred towards people who are forced to you run away, that you just can’t not kick them, even when it comes to the Baltic states? It is this behavior that makes them believe more and not you ... well, now they are also ungrateful rats .... how, then, should they call you ...? Or they can’t, because they do not have your status? I’m not holding you angry ... but it’s very depressing that you behave this way not even for profit, but, so to speak, out of love for art ...
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 11 May 2013 22: 46 New
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              Smile. The question was asked not to citizens. Who were even denied citizenship and former citizens of Kazakhstan - why did they leave Kazakhstan and do not leave the Baltic states. Well, you yourself have written yourself as lawyers - the defender of the Russians on the Russian site is certainly a winning pose especially in matters of nat. relationship. Here I agree with BOSK that in joy, and especially in difficulties, you need to be at home and do it better, and not to blame it and then also to cherish the homeland. Homeland is where you were born or where a piece is thicker. You see a different opinion, but that do not hold evil at me, but only dejected by my behavior, understand and forgive me, but I don’t know where to ask the question to non-citizens, as in the non-topic of the Baltic.
              1. smile
                smile 12 May 2013 04: 17 New
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                Semurg
                Well, you're smart ... and there too ... I do not believe that you think what you wrote just because. that you think I'm thirsty for the plus sign ... male adults ....... well, damn it ... just the same ... and how then your posture needs to be interpreted ... and you really insulted our refugees .. .... not me ... think, but how would you behave in my place .... maybe even better do not answer ... in principle, I will not feel bad about the Kazakhs because you are talking about our speak poorly ...... but we are not all so peaceful ... some are the same as yours ... like you ... think in general ....
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 12 May 2013 09: 53 New
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                  Quote: smile
                  Semurg
                  Well, you're smart ... and there too ... I do not believe that you think what you wrote just because. that you think I'm thirsty for the plus sign ... male adults ....... well, damn it ... just the same ... and how then your posture needs to be interpreted ... and you really insulted our refugees .. .... not me ... think, but how would you behave in my place .... maybe even better do not answer ... in principle, I will not feel bad about the Kazakhs because you are talking about our speak poorly ...... but we are not all so peaceful ... some are the same as yours ... like you ... think in general ....

                  Yes, it’s not enough when they write that it’s necessary to poison like a rat. It’s interesting you wrote earlier that all the refugees arrived in Kaliningrad poor and wretched, and when you were told that our thieves from KRAMDS bank and the party’s asset, among others, were not poor people, you adjusted your position and now write that yes, the part is very well provided. So we’ll come to the general conclusion that they left for various reasons and with different incomes and not all without exception for the national oppression and all naked and hungry. We wouldn’t be thirsty for the pluses if you didn’t write in response to what you were not asked a question, or then decipher that you are either not a citizen of the Baltic states or a former Kazakhstani. And of course, your threat to the peacefulness of some very elegantly sounded, as I understand it, the next stage in our discussion.
                  1. smile
                    smile 12 May 2013 19: 00 New
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                    Semurg
                    About rats, you're right, this is unacceptable ...
                    About position adjustment, please don’t trynd ... I just made it more specific, and not because I took someone’s word for it, but because it is consistent with my experience ...
                    Further, it’s just nonsense ... I did not expect from you ... I am a citizen of Russia ... where I come from, anyone who wants it, understandably ... there is no time or desire to write ... some kind of encryption .... pluses .... you fall ... and very quickly ...: ((((and this is sad .... the next stage will not be - you are tired of me, it’s not interesting with you anymore. But I don’t have a desire to swear ... I thought you are more sane .... sorry ...
    3. andris_74
      andris_74 11 May 2013 15: 49 New
      +2
      Why should people "start" from the land in which they were born and their children were born? Yes, purely practically, where should a middle-aged or elderly person go? All relatives, friends, connections, everything is here. And young people ... look at young people at the Riga airport, with one-way tickets ..
  8. Belogor
    Belogor 11 May 2013 10: 07 New
    +5
    There has never been such a state as Latvia before, there have been and still are limitrophic formations, passing from the possessions of one state to others. I think that this period of their "statehood" will not last long.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 May 2013 14: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Belogor
      There has never been such a state as Latvia before, there have been and still are limitrophic formations, passing from the possessions of one state to others. I think that this period of their "statehood" will not last long.

      The historical process of the appearance and disappearance of states is ongoing. Well, how long this state will exist depends on many facts.
  9. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 11 May 2013 10: 09 New
    +4
    Vladimirets
    Particularly pleased about NATO, would they add countries where gay marriage is allowed, why stop halfway?


    And who will give birth to children of single-sex marriages? Or are they at the expense of the selected children from the Russians under foolish pretexts?
  10. lobik
    lobik 11 May 2013 11: 53 New
    0
    Quote: retired
    On Friday, Bloomberg Businessweek published the data according to which Latvia ranks sixth in the world in population loss. The study indicates that the birth rate in this country remains one of the lowest in the world, and the mortality rate exceeds the birth rate.

    If only Russian was not concerned. Is fertility encouraged in Russia? Encouraged. But what if you pay maternity capital to those living in Latvia? This is a penny on the scale of Russia, and in Latvia (after 20 years) the situation can radically change in our favor.

    Clever, very clever. But vague doubts torment me.
  11. Arct
    Arct 11 May 2013 12: 00 New
    +5
    semurg, the problem is that we are in Russia no one n.a.kh. not needed (sorry for the mat). There is no targeted relocation and accommodation program. Only people with the right professions can really leave normally. And the rest should make their way as they want (I'm not even talking about work). I’m not trying to reproach anyone, I just state the fact that the state is not interested in the Russians moving from the CIS countries. Well, and to whom it is beneficial - this is another conversation.
    Well, the figures of 2,2 million and 400000 who left are from the evil one. According to the most optimistic forecasts, now 1,4 million people are constantly living in the territory of Latvia (including those who leave to work from 3 to 6 months a year).
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 May 2013 14: 29 New
      +3
      Arkt, the current Russian elite does not want the Russians to return because it hopes to return to the borders of the USSR, and so that it wouldn’t bring in the Russians and adapt them in local conditions, it’s better to keep those who stayed in the former republics. It may not sound good, but it’s like that - Russians in the republics is that thread that binds us, if it breaks, new ties begin to be made, and not necessarily with the participation of Russia, and for the good of Russia. As long as Russians mean there is Russian culture, language, mentality, business, and through them the so-called soft influence of Russia strength, and if Russia can create a strong and prosperous state at home, the alliance in one form or another will be restored.
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 11 May 2013 22: 39 New
        0
        This is closer to the truth .......
  12. ed1968
    ed1968 11 May 2013 13: 46 New
    +3
    [quote = svp67] Nationalism, which brought so much grief to people in Europe, do you think it will ever be finally defeated?
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 11 May 2013 22: 42 New
      -1
      The grief brought Nazism, and NATIONALISM is when you say that Russians are a great nation ...... distinguish correctly concepts ....
  13. AndreyAB
    AndreyAB 11 May 2013 15: 20 New
    0
    And who would doubt the anti-Russian essence of the Latvian government? And they don’t give a damn about their country, the people that inhabit it, the main thing is for them to spit or bark towards Russia and so that the hosts stroked them by the neck, they don’t throw pieces, that's the true purpose of their existence.
  14. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 11 May 2013 16: 01 New
    +1
    Well, as long as you can "chew this gum" - only real sanctions against Latvia will return the authorities of this country to real life.
    1. andris_74
      andris_74 11 May 2013 19: 22 New
      0
      Any economic sanctions will hit, including, first of all, half a million Russian-speaking Latvia, both citizens and non-citizens, that’s the problem.
    2. screw cutter
      screw cutter 11 May 2013 23: 58 New
      0
      But let Russia start by transferring Kivin, Jurmalin and the New Wave to Sochi, although for one year. And we’ll see how it works, or just talk. Well, we’ll endure it somehow.
  15. slaventi
    slaventi 11 May 2013 16: 46 New
    +2
    In Latvia, the Political regime Serves its masters from the State Department and yells at Russia at their direction. The Latvians were so eager for independence that they became a supplier of human resources for the European Union. It looks more like a colony than an independent state.
    1. andris_74
      andris_74 11 May 2013 19: 32 New
      +1
      Any of the "new" EU countries was accepted only as a source of cheap labor and a sales market. All enterprises that could compete in the internal European market had to be closed as the main condition for entry. Ignalina nuclear power plant in Lithuania, the entire sugar industry in Latvia, these are just a couple of examples.
  16. Dimy4
    Dimy4 11 May 2013 18: 12 New
    +2
    Anti-Russian sentiments have always been there. Father, working as a trucker in the late 70s did not like to travel to the Baltic states.
    1. andris_74
      andris_74 11 May 2013 19: 40 New
      +1
      Very exaggerated in fact and very dependent on the region, district and republic.
      Somewhere on the farms in the outback you may not understand Russian and if you wish, but how can 55% anti-Russian be Russian-speaking Riga ;-)) I'm talking about ordinary people, not politicians, who score points by the national card.
  17. Arct
    Arct 11 May 2013 19: 51 New
    +1
    You are both right, anti-Russian sentiments have always been present (but either at heart, or in certain areas). The question is, in which of the former Union republics were they absent? This is a completely normal phenomenon, taking place in all countries of the world. There are always dissatisfied, disadvantaged, etc., etc. Well, the industry was primarily destroyed by science-intensive and heavy (RAF, VEF, Popov plant, tank repair - the list is long) and only then they came to sugar and the like.
    Semurg, I understand all this perfectly, it's just not very pleasant to be the fifth column in the role "without me, they married me."
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 12 May 2013 09: 31 New
      +1
      Arct. Everyone has their own personal cross in this life. You have fallen like this - to be a conductor of the Russian world in the Baltic states (these are certainly high matters that are lost in the daily cycle of affairs and problems) Do not feel like a fifth column, but feel like a representative of a great people and culture the glass is half full or half empty.
  18. korm-yurii
    korm-yurii 11 May 2013 21: 00 New
    +2
    And it will remain with the Latvian x .., yes the soul.
  19. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 11 May 2013 22: 59 New
    -1
    At 81 in Druskeninkai, the kids threw sticks at us and shouted that we were gangsters ... it was always like this but was hushed up for the sake of peoples ’friendship and now all the dirt is out and it seems that all attempts to create the Union by force will lead to nothing but hatred ...
  20. slaventi
    slaventi 12 May 2013 10: 08 New
    0
    In all respects, economic, demographic, cultural. The Latvian people were more free in the Russian Empire and even in the Soviet Union than now. When Russia becomes independent again, and it will be soon. We will accept our compatriots from Latvia too. Their place Negroes and Arabs will take over, over time. Latvian nationalists will probably be glad of this.