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French look at 9 May

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"Too often, the truth about Russia is spoken with hatred, and the lie with love."
Andre Gide


From a Western perspective, the United States and the coalition allies won World War II as Eastern Europe shifted from one totalitarianism to another. Too little historical details regarding the losses of the Soviet Army between 1941 and 1945, however, given the numbers, we can really talk about casualties.

Before arriving in Russia, I often saw on military television 9 May on Red Square on TV. The Western media present it with a show of force in the style of "Russia shows its muscles in front of Lenin's Mausoleum", hiding that May Ninth is the day when people's patriotism fills the streets. Respect for young people for veterans and Russian patriotism were what impressed me most of all when on May 9 I mingled with a crowd of Muscovites.

The first time I went to 9 on May, I was expecting to see just a very big military parade. I thought it would be French holidays: sad spectators would watch the fireworks after the parade, return home in the evening and continue their working week.

How wrong I was! In 2010, Russia celebrated the 65 anniversary of the end of the war. Like all foreigners, I was completely fascinated by how Russians wear St. George ribbons, attaching them to their wrists or car antennas. Often next to write: "I remember! I am proud! ”Or“ Thank you grandfather for the Victory! ”I remember how I was surprised by these slogans written on the walls or painted on cars. Amazing Russia!

On May XNUMX, I went to watch the parade - and spent the whole day on the streets among Muscovites. I saw the crowd greet the troops Tanks and Topol missiles shouting "Russia, Russia!" In addition to the Russian army, there were about a thousand foreign soldiers from 24 countries, including the United States, Britain, Poland, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Ukraine. France sent a squadron of Normandy-Neman aircraft, which the Russians did not forget. I could not believe my eyes: the crowd applauds the soldiers and tanks! In France, a crowd would probably rather passively watch these devices carrying death.

For me, some well-known things for Russians were a truly amazing discovery. For example, very young girls who wear military caps and hand out carnations to oncoming veterans. It was amazing for me to see a few young women pinning St. George ribbons on Louis Vuitton bags or baby carriages. In France, army symbols are less popular among young people, and they are mostly worn by men. Watching Russian women, I forget my prejudices. It is also surprising that Russian women are the same patriot as men (if not more). I do not know why in Russia it is so strong. Maybe because so many women participated in the battles?

My neighbor stewardess thinks that "Russian women are able to withstand anything, violence and deception, but not criticism of their country." Listening to her, I thought that in the end the marriage agencies were deeply mistaken, glorifying the beauty of Russian women, and not this. In France, for example, thousands of disappointed men are desperately looking for women who can love their country strongly and sincerely. Since, obviously, there are no such Frenchwomen - they do not know any more the meaning of the word "motherland". Russian girls love their homeland as their family.

I have never seen so many smiling and relaxed in Moscow, as on that day of May 9th. After the military parade, a festive atmosphere really reigned on the streets. While walking, we met an old veteran with a wrinkled face, I wanted to take a picture with him, told him that I was French, and he smiled when he heard the magic formula “Normandy - Neman”. Taking this opportunity, we were shot by a group of photographers and bloggers. I keep this photo so that one day I can show it to my son.

This is exactly what you notice on the 9th of May - the national holiday. The significance of this day is measured, in my opinion, not by the number of soldiers and the pomp of the parade. And the fact that after the military parade, the feeling of unity and belonging becomes stronger and most surprisingly even covers foreign observers. People take to the streets. There is an incredible atmosphere. Veterans hug, thank, give them flowers ... When I saw little girls who hug veterans with almost family love, I felt something non-verbalizable. This is one of the greatest moments of human sincerity. The parade on May 9 in Russia for a foreigner is not only a demonstration of military equipment, it is an expression of the soul of the country.

It is true that in Moscow people seem secretive and cold, but on the 9th of May they not only smile, but also look happy. I remember a black and white photo taken on May 9 of 1945, scanned by someone and posted on the Internet. Comments left by people under this picture. Military pilot Nikolai Kryuchkov, who wrote: “On May 9, 1945, I was on vacation in Moscow. It is simply impossible to describe what happened on that day in Moscow. ”

It fits perfectly with my feelings. Understanding the importance of this day, I vowed to miss nothing the next year. The following May, I called my friend, a Frenchman, to Russia to show him a holiday. I saw him, with his mouth open, looking at the girl in the military hat and with a huge bouquet of flowers in his hands, and at how she distributed red carnations to all the counter veterans. A friend told me: "I bathe in patriotism, I feel good."

In Western Europe, such manifestations would be abnormal and unnatural. Since the construction of the European Union began, center-right and center-left politicians have avoided, as far as possible, talk of patriotism. The concept of "European patriotism" is difficult to understand, and it does not have much success. Mostly right-wing parties speak about their homeland and patriotism to their voters, which oppose the unification of Europe.

But opponents call it "xenophobic populism." Because of this, patriotism is automatically viewed as a form of nationalism and takes on a negative connotation. In France, it is difficult to be a patriot without causing suspicion of potential nationalist hatred of other people. At the other end of the political spectrum, there are extreme left and “leftist values” who call themselves globalist internationalists, want the European Union to expand indefinitely, and dream of being citizens of a world without borders. Another key to misunderstanding between Western Europe and Russia can be here.

On the ninth of May, I did not feel any tension in the city, I did not see any fights or other incidents. Then I read that 9 May 2010, almost 2,5 million people walked around the city from the morning to the big fireworks in the evening. Two and a half million - without major incidents! In France, 14 July is not so good. The French love this national holiday, celebrating it for two centuries. They arrange dances and fireworks in many districts, in small towns and villages. But every year the number of more or less serious incidents that violate the national holiday grows. As in any public event, gangs of hooligans from areas with a high concentration of immigrants appear at the 14 celebration in July in order to break everything, rob and attack strollers. This is an inevitable fact, it happens every year, especially in large cities. In the 2011 year, for example, in one region of Paris alone, there were hundreds of burned cars, and the police arrested more than 500 "thugs". The last time I was at the 14 festival in July in France, in the evening in Bordeaux, I got into conversation with the policemen who were in a foul mood. I wished them a good holiday, and in response I heard that this was one of the worst nights of the year for them, since the “youth” celebrate the republic in their own way: they set fire to cars in the suburbs and provoke the police to show their hatred for France.

And despite the fact that some are outraged by the celebration of the victory over Nazi Germany, which legitimizes the Soviet regime, I am still convinced that the Russians have reason to celebrate 9 on May with fervor and passion. To visit this holiday is one of the best ways to understand the constancy of Russian patriotism at a time when in many Western European countries it is rejected by society. I think that many Europeans should come and see Russia 9 May, in order to feel the emotions and the special unity of the people on this holiday. I think that the Russian people can thank for the victories of their veterans and heroes. I think that all European countries should take inspiration in Russia 9 May.

Anyway, next year on May 9 I plan to be in Moscow to celebrate the holiday.
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  1. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 10 May 2013 06: 53
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    But there are normal people among the Franks. The article pleased.
    1. patline
      patline 10 May 2013 10: 34
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      People, for the most part, are all normal, but we must take into account the influence of Western media on the minds of citizens of the European Union and America.
      And here, a man visited Russia on May 9 and saw everything with his own eyes, felt OUR joy in his own skin and was infected with this joy himself, although it seems that not his fathers and grandfathers defeated the adversary. And now every year he comes to us on May 9)))
      Conclusion: First of all, it is necessary to fight not with the consequence - directly with the military threat, but with the cause - with the ideological treatment of probable future enemy soldiers.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 10 May 2013 11: 56
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        I read the article and was again amazed how much the media and propaganda distort the idea of ​​entire peoples of their lives, values! It really hurts that in order to understand Russia, one needs to come to Moscow at a mature age and attend the Victory Parade, in what light do our country represent our Victory over fascism in the West?
        1. Nick
          Nick 11 May 2013 00: 09
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          I read the article and was once again amazed how much the media and propaganda distort the idea of ​​entire peoples of their lives, values

          This is what an information war can do. She easily turns white into black ...
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 11 May 2013 00: 36
            +5
            Quote: Nick
            This is what an information war can do. She easily turns white into black ...


            Nick hi

            comrade, if you do not feed your army, then you feed someone else's, this also applies to information wars.
            1. taseka
              taseka 12 May 2013 05: 38
              +3
              Quote: Karlsonn
              There is an incredible atmosphere. They embrace the veterans, give thanks, give them flowers ... When I saw little girls hugging veterans with almost family love, I felt something unverbalized. This is one of the greatest moments of human sincerity. The parade on May 9 in Russia for a foreigner is not only a demonstration of military equipment, it is an expression of the country's soul.

              There are still people in our country who are demanding the cancellation of the VICTORY PARADE - read the words of the Frenchman, where they not only passively look at military equipment but also gays with their marriages!
        2. edge
          edge 12 May 2013 02: 52
          0
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          Media and propaganda pervert the idea of ​​entire peoples of their lives, values!
          so the whole world is trying to destroy Russia, in various ways since ancient times, and only in the USSR it came to understand that it was necessary to help to throw the yoke off for those who are not considered people (only we managed to eliminate global slavery), therefore we are hated and set on us by our neighbors .. ..big game of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgan and others like them
      2. starshina78
        starshina78 10 May 2013 12: 56
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        This is right - we must fight indoctrination! In Soviet times, there was an anecdote: "There are two sparrows on the border of the USSR. One flies to the USSR, the other from the USSR. The one flying from the USSR asks the one that is flying to the Union," Why are you flying, "he answers," Take a bite, and you, "" Chirp “So we’re getting it out now (I mean that now we can say what you want, criticize the authorities, bosses, express our opinion, without fear that they will be spoken to at the party committee), that for someone, Victory Day has become superfluous. Bravo to the Frenchman that he perceives our Victory Day correctly! And why did all sorts of "Bergmans" and others appear there, who do not like to be in traffic jams because of preparations for the parade, do not like that we are celebrating Victory Day. I believe that they are the very ones who are trying to instill in us ideals and rules of behavior that are alien to us. By their standards, we need to forget about Victory Day, lay paths for gays and lesbians, not love our entire historical past and everything Russian, but be "real Europeans". Yes, they went down the tail of the cow! I would like to meet this Frenchman, and pour him a glass for intelligence and admiration for us, our attitude to Victory. And no one will ever force us to quit celebrating the greatest, most patriotic, dearest and closest holiday to us, Victory Day!
        1. alex-defensor
          alex-defensor 10 May 2013 20: 55
          +4
          Quote: Speckled32
          But there are normal people among the Franks. The article pleased.

          There are more normal ones there than follows from your statement, however, the political situation in France and Europe as a whole is different, because of which there are problems ... And the author of the article, well done, went against the established rules for negative coverage of Russia.
      3. polly
        polly 10 May 2013 13: 50
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        You are right, patline: in terms of indoctrination in our time, Goebbels with his propaganda is a child in front of an army of pros in Western countries to give Russia an inhuman face and consciously rewrite history. Delete from the memory of new generations that the whole land of Europe now blooming with them is covered with blood it was (and the vast majority) of Soviet soldiers! In a strange way, the inscriptions in Russian disappeared on the plates in the preserved memorial complexes of the former fascist concentration camps. Polish, Hebrew, French, but whatever, but not ours, although the vast majority of Slavs were turned into ashes and taken out in boxes for fertilizing the fields of the Reich! If these gentlemen had shame ...
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 10 May 2013 11: 12
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      Quote: Speckled32
      But there are normal people among the Franks. The article pleased.

      I had to meet and accompany foreign citizens several times in Russia. Almost everyone has a distorted consciousness in terms of our country !! They come to us like the moon.
      They are surprised at our relationship (if most have heard about our culture, then the relationship is usually unknown to them) the kitchen (they are very surprised that we do not eat hay) of our industry (many consider us savages of the Stone Age) and, in general, lifestyle.
      As a rule, almost everyone leaves with good memories.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 10 May 2013 15: 45
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        About hay neighing)))
        The parade on May XNUMX in Russia for a foreigner is not only a demonstration of military equipment, it is an expression of the country's soul. writes the Frenchman, in principle, he definitely noticed. For me, there is the concept of MOTHERLAND, and for me it is MOTHER.
        I have to travel abroad and returning home I rejoice (it is not known what)))
        By the way, you have to communicate with People there (outside)) and they always remain of a good opinion about Russian People (although I say about myself that in Russia I am the worst)))
        They’re zombied there, you start talking on September 11th and everything shatters to dust ...
        When you say to an INO engineer, how an aluminum plane blew up the thick STEEL BEAMS of the World Trade Center building, his eyes opened. Starts asking questions, where did the planes go ??? I tell him that they were NOT FUN. But HE saw on TV, and he used to believe that))))? Then he eats and understands how the media and television have it. They begin to be critical, Recently he spoke with the Italian (via Skype) -k policemen came to him for his conversations with a neighbor (passed a neighbor Suchar))
        But the people there also begin to see ... Luigi well done, he invited the police, talked with them, they left under the impression (he was friends with them)) ...
        Recently, we all talked on Skype, Luigi translated ....
        People have no enemies, no matter what language you speak ...
        It is necessary to communicate and break the propaganda ...
        And be as welcome as possible ....
        in a word - Russian)))
        1. alex-defensor
          alex-defensor 10 May 2013 21: 02
          +9
          Quote: Asgard
          It is necessary to communicate and break the propaganda ...
          And be as welcome as possible ....
          in a word - Russian)))

          Well done, I fully support. And you just have to be friendly !!!
        2. lev1759
          lev1759 12 May 2013 01: 51
          0
          "It is necessary to communicate and break the PROPAGANDA ...
          And to be as friendly as possible ... "I vote with both hands - FOR !!!
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 12 May 2013 19: 51
          +3
          Quote: Asgard
          About hay neighing)))

          Still green boys Oleg and I came to the factory, now he lives in Germany. He often comes, yearns for the USSR.
          Once there was a conversation "about freedom" in Russia.
          This is your freedom !!!
          You just can’t imagine what freedom is by Western standards! Constant supervision. Report on income and expenses, a whole cabinet of checks from the store! Moreover, if you have not paid a fine, they will block your allowance! Again did not pay, they will be relocated from the center to the outskirts! And so on to infinity.
          I began to be interested in the war, a warning comes with an invitation to visit the police!
          They control your every move !! and you complain that there is no freedom in Russia!
        4. Dejavu
          Dejavu 13 May 2013 08: 58
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          Ah yes handsome! Keep it up! :) good
    3. NKVD
      NKVD 10 May 2013 11: 22
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      There is nothing strange in this, the war has united the destinies of all our people into one common destiny ... We remember our roots, unlike some white-ribbon trolls who have long exchanged the St. George's ribbon along with the memory of their ancestors who fought for their Motherland, for a white ribbon , and along with it the Western "values" (from where the war came to us). And These want to create a Western society about which this paddling pool writes here, and our children and grandchildren will admire someone else's history and someone else's patriotism, and not their own, for the word PATRIOT in their understanding is a dirty word.
    4. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 May 2013 13: 57
      +9
      Krapovy32 hi

      Quote: Speckled32
      But there are normal people among the Franks.


      yeah wink This Frenchman has emigrated from "civilized" France to Russia for many years, received our citizenship and lives well as a citizen of Russia.
      kreaklam really do not understand this, because they are so burdened by life "in this country."

      if interested in Google - Alexander Latsa "Myths about Russia From Grozny to Putin." there are many interesting, funny and sad things.
    5. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 10 May 2013 15: 27
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      Yesterday I played tanks. It became interesting how the players would react to my proposal. At 18-55, a minute of silence began, and before the game I asked the players to stand for 1 minute and do nothing. DO NOT believe it, all 15 players of my team stood up like dug in for exactly a minute, and each fired. I did not expect this. I was pleased.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 10 May 2013 18: 41
        +9
        Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
        Yesterday I played tanks.


        "Tanks" generally pleased me both as a good game, and also by the fact that they brought up the topic of war. There are many games about the war, but only the "tanks" managed to attract massive attention to history in this way. Well, their patriotic actions and initiatives are beyond praise. good
        1. FC SKIF
          FC SKIF 11 May 2013 22: 22
          0
          Well I do not know. I remember that in January I broke my arm, so I had to play 2 for nothing for weeks, and then I got tired. Then, ka-ak broke through articles to write, that right now I can’t stop. I have already been called a graphomaniac, here ..
      2. Gato
        Gato 10 May 2013 18: 43
        +2
        Right! Nick - Gato
    6. Larus
      Larus 12 May 2013 12: 32
      0
      Do not underestimate the propaganda of the Western media, they are masters in this and for what century we have been enemies for them, are and will be.
    7. edge
      edge 12 May 2013 13: 14
      0
      Quote: Speckled32
      But there are normal people among the Franks

      in 1812, our great-grandfathers fought against each other, and in 1916,1943 together against a common enemy .......
    8. Quiet
      Quiet 12 May 2013 18: 07
      +1
      A question to "Armenian Radio" ..... If the USA and England think that THEY are the winners in the Second World War, why don't they celebrate it as widely as Russia ??? ... recourse fool
    9. sonik-007
      sonik-007 13 May 2013 11: 37
      0
      Of course have! I was in France, the people there are very nice, helpful and welcoming. Especially in the south. We were in a coastal town, it was necessary to buy a SIM card, but as it turned out, our phones do not have these, because there most of the bodies under contracts.
      In general, even those who did not know where to buy SIM cards came with us and found out, passed into the hands of others who could tell ...
      I was surprised at this attitude. Ours would have barked and that’s all.

      Great article, thanks to the author!
  2. domokl
    domokl 10 May 2013 07: 02
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    The Frenchman is right. Yesterday I suddenly realized that we, here on this site, are the spokesmen for the very notorious Russian national idea that nobody found. It is we and all our people. The victory that we remember, the victory that our grandfathers won, is ours Victory is our national idea.
    We have a tradition, on this day we meet .. In a cafe, in civilian clothes, with military awards (it’s not customary to wear jubilee ones). So yesterday, so many good words were heard from boys and girls ... But you can see that not WWII veterans, much younger ...
    Our patritism is and will be. This is the core of our country, the backbone of Russia.
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 10 May 2013 10: 41
      21
      Similarly, we celebrate the holiday.
      It's nice when fellow countrymen congratulate.
      But yesterday I was struck by the sincere action "Hamsters".
      The young guy Ilya Khomets explained that some sites will not work on May 9, so as not to overshadow the memory of the dead soldiers of the liberators.
      And then I found out what sites are in question.
      Respect and respect for the guys! Thanks for the support.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 10 May 2013 12: 56
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        Quote: Dmitry 2246
        Respect and respect for the guys! thanks for the support

        On May XNUMX, in the game in the game World of Tanks, battles on the global map stopped. They said go congratulate the veterans.
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 10 May 2013 13: 12
          +4
          Well done! Do you want, do not want, but remember about the holiday!
    2. elmi
      elmi 10 May 2013 13: 16
      12
      Quote: domokl
      So yesterday, so many good words were heard from boys and girls ... But it is clear that it is not WWII veterans, they are much younger ...

      It is joyful that despite all the efforts of the Western media to belittle the role in the victory of Russia’s 2 World War, we still have a highly patriotic education. And even Soros, whose money published distorted history books, failed to change the consciousness of the younger generation, but in Europe it succeeded.
  3. Canep
    Canep 10 May 2013 07: 02
    16
    Judging by the words of the Frenchman, everything is not so bad with us as it could be, to his son 15 he watched the parade and waited for the Swifts or Knights to show their performance. How disappointed he was when I told him that no one would allow an air show to be held over Moscow, only a span.
    1. Homo
      Homo 10 May 2013 11: 42
      13
      Quote: Canep
      Judging by the words of the Frenchman, everything is not so bad with us as it could be, to his son 15 he watched the parade and waited for the Swifts or Knights to show their performance. How disappointed he was when I told him that no one would allow an air show to be held over Moscow, only a span.

      So you did not raise your son correctly. For 15 years, he did not explain to him that May 9 is not a show. Victory Day must be spoken not at age 15, but at age 5. Then there will be no stupid questions and disappointments!
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 10 May 2013 07: 16
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    Great article! So let them read and envy in Europe. Maybe they will understand that their "democratic values" are up to our patriotism as from earth to heaven! They need to learn this from us!
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 10 May 2013 22: 53
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      So let them read and envy in Europe

      Still - would be able to read. Now, if you write on bottles with low-calorie cola - they will read it, and so ... a very narrow circle will read this very kind and thinking person.
  5. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 10 May 2013 07: 21
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    Quote: domokl
    the victory that our grandfathers won is our Victory, our national idea.


    But there is no need to calm down, to be complacent. In our society, to the great regret of the people who have endured the ordeals during the Second World War, there are scum who spit on OUR VICTORY. There is no forgiveness for them.

    Here is a separate example from an article on our forum:
    From the article: Clean the air on May 9 from the stench.

    Actor Vladimir Bagramov: "Patriots", you burn with fire with your parades. Want to help the "great country" - go under the tanks. It will be an act. Exactly within this lawlessness, which once again is nothing but a savory spittle in the face of thousands of tired people trying to get home from work. Burn in hell".

    Deputy Aidar Mujabaev, editor-in-chief of Moskovsky Komsomol: “In our media, what is happening is called the rehearsal for the Victory Parade. And I would call it the deliberate murder of innocent people. Which is no better than the Holocaust, albeit on a smaller scale. This murder is the same intentional and cold-blooded. Business will not be limited to today's transport collapse. The following penalty dates are April 29, May 3 and 7. Get ready. And also actually 9 May. Dying on this day, probably, should be honorable. It is worse than fascism. ”

    Until what time can we see, read, let express our rotten in the morning these bastards?
    ADMINISTRATION OF THE SITE, MODERATORS - DO NOT GIVE WORDS TO SIMILAR ANTI-PEOPLE. AND THIS WILL NOT BE CENSOR. HOPE THAT AMONG THE SITE ADMINISTRATION THERE ARE NO FOLLOWERS. VERY HOPE. YES Sure, not just I.
    HAPPY VICTORY HOLIDAY- HOLIDAY FOR THE CENTURY!
    1. hollger
      hollger 10 May 2013 07: 52
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      Check out Boris Akunin’s blog on LiveJournal. That's where our people, remembering and proud, are called - Potsriots.
      1. shark
        shark 10 May 2013 09: 29
        57
        Yesterday I wandered into Echo Moskvy. I read an article by a certain Mokhnatkin (what a fighter for some human rights) So, I read it and began to reread it again. For I did not believe my eyes. It turns out that Stalin unleashed a war, it turns out that for our victory he should be declared a war criminal. There was also a lot of delirium and tearful affection from the fact that our "drove" into battle in rags, but the Germans had beautiful shoes. This creation ended with a proposal to stop celebrating on May 9, as the French did.
        People, why is this ... still trampling our earth, breathing our air? Why is he allowed to open his dirty mouth? How long will we watch indifferently as a handful of liberals spit on our Motherland?
      2. z-exit
        z-exit 10 May 2013 11: 50
        18
        Boris Akunin died for me as a Person after a shameful participation in the Swamp demonstration on 06.05.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX.
        1. Net
          Net 10 May 2013 13: 01
          23
          This abomination must be called by its proper name! He is the same "Akunin" as Leiba Bronstein - "Trotsky".
          1. z-exit
            z-exit 10 May 2013 13: 19
            23
            By the way, Shevchuk also died for me as a performer, after he took part in a concert in support of Pusi Wright in St. Petersburg. Now at the sight of his vile, bearded faces I spit on the screen.
            I decided for myself that I needed to remember where I went, where I was, how I distinguished myself. Once I noticed everything, let's goodbye! No longer an authority. Now I don't care about Akunin, Bykov, crane shout and Shevchuk with his songs about "Autumn" ... ugh
            1. Net
              Net 10 May 2013 13: 31
              12
              Yes, I also began to treat Shevchuk that way. He loved his lyrical songs, but never understood "works" like "Visiting the FSB General". So "Yura - Musician" became a swamp figure, not a musician
          2. Seraph
            Seraph 11 May 2013 11: 38
            +2
            By the way, N. Starikov either in his book "Stalin. We Remember Together", or "1917. The answer to the" Russian "revolution" is a very interesting thing: a link to information about dedea "Akunin. Such a blasted grandfather, anti-Soviet, Trotskyist. the Shevardnadze-Gamsakhurdia-Sahakyan case on the withdrawal of Georgia from the USSR and its further collapse back in the 30s; for which, of course, it was abundantly financed by human rights organizations such as the British, Turkish and American intelligence services. For which, of course, according to the laws of the USSR, and sat on For many years, it was from him that a caustic hatred for the Land of the Soviets, and in fact for the Russian and Russian state, flowed in the veins of his descendants.
            Read Chertishvilli - do not respect yourself: this is yellow boulevard with pseudo-scientific and pseudo-historical sauce; outside - fiction, in the middle - shit, in the core - Russophobia.
            A place for him in a landfill for literary mediocrity and rootless cosmopolitans. Burn in hell!
        2. knn54
          knn54 10 May 2013 17: 44
          +8
          z-exit: Boris Akunin died for me as a Person ...
          E. Fandorin, “Turkish Gambit”:
          “- If you live in a state, you must either take care of it, or leave already - otherwise you get parasitism and lackey gossip.”
          And I completely agree with him (not with the author). What did Akunin do for Russia and what would he be without Russia?
          He is a lackey or a parasite ... I think that both of them!
          It’s indecent to live in a country that feeds you, gives work, and at the same time water it with dirt. Let less people fall ... less hydrogen sulfide!
          1. mig29mks
            mig29mks 10 May 2013 20: 40
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            also about scum "

            Original taken from ctakan_divanych in Nothing changes in this country

            An educated lady at a Moscow company says:
            - Well, he returned from the army, and his girlfriend married another. He, in order to take revenge on the traitor, started a romance with the village, she became pregnant from him. The ex-bride immediately showed interest - and began to cheat on her husband with him. The abandoned girl came to his mother to complain, and she didn’t say this or that - well, she laid out everything to the deceived husband. He was furious, in general, there was a fight-stabbing and a fool, and they stabbed him. Better used in the army.
            Another lady who was slightly late for the start of the conversation with a sigh:
            - How typical of this country. Gopnik, whores, parents nevermind, moral corruption, debauchery! Nothing good will be here!
            Pause. Educated lady:
            - I retold the plot of Mascagni's opera Rural Honor.
          2. edge
            edge 12 May 2013 02: 57
            0
            Quote: knn54
            Boris Akunin died for me as a Person.
            what kind of personality can a george have ........? cowardly and yapping ......
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 May 2013 07: 30
    12
    Unfortunately, you will not shut your mouth with these Bagram, muzhdabaevs. And it would be necessary.
    1. Tartary
      Tartary 10 May 2013 08: 03
      24
      Quote: aszzz888
      Unfortunately, you will not shut your mouth with these Bagram, muzhdabaevs. And it would be necessary.

      Controversial statement ...
      Surnames are known, place of work too - it remains only to declare a popular bike on the compiled list husband da bai-evs and at the same time to the enterprises of their employers, to their products ... I think that gradually each of them will be able to find work only in states with true tolerance ...
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 10 May 2013 11: 11
        +4
        No, it won’t help. They will continue to crap on Western feed ...
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 10 May 2013 11: 40
          10
          Quote: Tartary
          Quote: aszzz888
          Unfortunately, you will not shut your mouth with these Bagram, muzhdabaevs. And it would be necessary.

          Controversial statement ...
          Surnames are known, place of work too - it remains only to declare a popular bike on the compiled list husband da bai-evs and at the same time to the enterprises of their employers, to their products ... I think that gradually each of them will be able to find work only in states with true tolerance ...


          I agree. For example, Mujabaev has a page on Twitter. Every person who wishes can tell him everything that he thinks about him. hi It is not necessary to engage in controversy, because this cattle descends to banal insults against the opponent!
          By the way, with this organism’s intellect, it’s really bad, so come in, don’t hesitate, make sure which copies we get the position of deputy chief editor. wink
      2. VADIMKRSK
        VADIMKRSK 10 May 2013 12: 16
        +2
        Let the prosecutor’s office take care of ...
    2. rexby63
      rexby63 10 May 2013 11: 20
      +5
      Well, not all cat butter. There is, for example, one paper-maraka, a certain Kashin.
    3. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 10 May 2013 12: 38
      +7
      If you shut up, you can hang their portraits on poles with a brief description of their betrayal and addresses of residence, "glorify" in the internet, carry out various actions - in one word, turn their lives into hell!
      1. Armata
        Armata 10 May 2013 13: 22
        +3
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        If you shut up, you can hang their portraits on poles with a brief description of their betrayal and addresses of residence, "glorify" in the internet, carry out various actions - in one word, turn their lives into hell!
        The more feces you pour on them, the more popular they are. so do not PR them. It’s easier to try to accidentally put everyone into the brains into at least something to invest with unprincipled arguments.
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 10 May 2013 15: 20
          +5
          Right. these must knock out the pedestal on which they are seated. And trying to reason is like writing against the wind.
          Ponamarev grabbed the hoo, of course he will yell.
          Here's how the ZHI pinched its tail. Everything will quack less. Another kick and sink into the dark.
  7. Belogor
    Belogor 10 May 2013 07: 41
    22
    Many adequate people from the West, when visiting Russia, change their attitude to positive, but I emphasize that they are adequate. Frank Russophobes and corrupt magazines, of course I do not take into account. It’s a pity that not many come as we would like.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 10 May 2013 10: 12
      16
      Quote: Belogor
      Many adequate people from the West, when visiting Russia, change their attitude to positive, but I emphasize that they are adequate.

      When you talk to them, they willingly keep up a conversation about the weather, business, politics, ecology. But only it comes to WW2 and the role of the USSR, that's all. Shouting "This is propaganda !!" dash off and disappear behind the horizon at a speed that would be the envy of Georgians. And how do you order to talk to them? And these are not the dumbest of Europeans. Quite the opposite. And what can we say to housewives and hard workers. Young people are the most interested part of the European population. Apparently, they also got it ...
      1. A. Yaga
        A. Yaga 10 May 2013 15: 15
        +5
        Quote: retired
        But only it comes to WW2 and the role of the USSR, that's all. Shouting "This is propaganda !!" dash off and disappear behind the horizon at a speed that would be the envy of Georgians.

        Yeah. Also observed such individuals.
        1. Drednout
          Drednout 10 May 2013 22: 59
          +2
          Quote: retired
          Shouting "This is propaganda !!" take off and hide behind the horizon at a speed that would be the envy of Georgians

          Exactly! It looks like the kindergarten brainwashed.
      2. Seraph
        Seraph 13 May 2013 04: 09
        0
        And I really love talking with the Europeans to turn on the topic of the Second World War. With the Germans - about the continuing occupation of Germany, with the British - about the Munich Agreement, with the French - about the "strange war" and the Charlemagne division. It's very good at least to try to shake things up
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 May 2013 07: 45
    +6
    More they need to inform about their vision of Russia, where they come from.
    1. treskoed
      treskoed 10 May 2013 08: 34
      +7
      Many of them, as in the saying: "..... in the eyes - all the dew of God"
      1. virm
        virm 10 May 2013 12: 05
        +5
        They also say: "There is no point in throwing pearls in front of pigs."
        For Westerners, we have always been and will be subhuman. They hate us at the level of animal instincts. And they envy our wealth: natural, spiritual, human. The only option for us to communicate with the West is a conversation through a gunsight.

        "Russian girls love their homeland like their family."
        Not all. Unfortunately. For some, the opposite: the West are the elves, and Russia - ...
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 10 May 2013 13: 19
          0
          Quote: virm
          “Russian girls love their homeland like their family.” Not everyone. Unfortunately. For some, it's the opposite: the West is the elves, and Russia is ...

          Russia is a stepmother for them, who does not like her "model" children.
  9. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 10 May 2013 07: 51
    14
    The article is good, but you need to take into account that the author of A. Lats has been living in Russia for 9 years, is going to obtain citizenship, that is, "Russified". But not all compatriots think so. On the other hand, I don't care what the European and European people think
  10. 123tank
    123tank 10 May 2013 08: 04
    +9
    Amazing revelation, but nice to read. I have never seen anything like it.
  11. omsbon
    omsbon 10 May 2013 08: 21
    15
    "Too often, the truth about Russia is spoken with hatred, and the lie with love."
    Andre Jew

    I really liked this expression! Normal people live in many countries and the task of the media is to make them more.
  12. Belogor
    Belogor 10 May 2013 08: 28
    +7
    Quote: omsbon
    "Too often, the truth about Russia is spoken with hatred, and the lie with love."
    Andre Jew


    Actually, he's French
    Andre Paul Guillaume Jew (1869-1951), French novelist, essayist and critic, was born in Paris into a family of hereditary Huguenots Paul Gide, a professor at the University of Paris, and Juliette Rondo
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 10 May 2013 10: 03
      +4
      Well, like Alexander, did you manage to write the surname Andre? bully
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 10 May 2013 13: 20
        +3
        Yes, it is difficult. But you can do this:
        Andre Gide.
  13. Zubr
    Zubr 10 May 2013 08: 46
    11
    Good article. To the author plus. Well what can I say! They are small children, brought up and fed on fat grubs and moldy brains from a prosperous life and a victim of propaganda. It won’t surprise me if I find out that we most likely know the history of France better than them than the French themselves.
    1. VADIMKRSK
      VADIMKRSK 10 May 2013 12: 33
      +2
      I also think that I know the story. Especially France. So many coincidences with the history of Russia. At school passed, it seems to me half-textbook 8th grade. They don’t need a story, it’s in the way.
  14. KononAV
    KononAV 10 May 2013 09: 01
    +6
    For more people from the West would have seen this
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 10 May 2013 09: 06
      +3
      Quote: KononAV
      For more people from the West would have seen this

      And from the east and from the south or is the west only important?
  15. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 10 May 2013 09: 06
    +9
    Good article, well done Frenchman. And then, lately, foreigners have only been sucking Russia anywhere, even though they wrote an objective opinion ...
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 10 May 2013 10: 07
      17
      And the last time, anywhere only Russia is obscured by foreigners

      Brother, what did you want? Russia has become RUSSIA. And many mongrel snarling at her became scared. That's yapping.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 11 May 2013 00: 38
        0
        Old_kapitan hi

        We didn’t meet on stf?
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 11 May 2013 12: 50
          0
          We didn’t meet on stf?

          What is it?
  16. Babon
    Babon 10 May 2013 09: 13
    13
    Well, yes, grief does not happen. They don’t understand what the loss of 28 million is, consider that every family was affected. And how many worked and starved in the rear. The country was in ruins, raised. Why should they remember this? They didn’t have that. They are surprised when they arrive.
  17. pensioner
    pensioner 10 May 2013 09: 25
    16
    How much trash in their heads. By the way, the same thing about the heads of the Mexicans. I managed to talk. It seems that despite all the national diversity of the world, people are brainwashed according to the same textbooks. And they also say that there are no international conspiracies against historical memory. There is.
  18. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 10 May 2013 10: 00
    22
    Guys, happy holiday to us! I am very sorry that in Ukraine he could not do without a brawl - in Ternopol, police officers (namely police officers, not police officers) had to put pressure on the Svolotovites for Bosko.
    To the Frenchman - Respect.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 10 May 2013 13: 41
      +9
      Comments from Ukraine on May 9, 2013
      Sergey Demyanchuk
      bl ... damn .. stupid people ... For example, I live in Lviv ... but people are different, this is Memorial Day !!! - Donkeys understand and make peace finally ... This day is for those who died defending their homeland, and for a handful of those who are still alive ... But this day is not for those who, taking advantage of the situation, try to straighten the historical curve for their own benefit ..
  19. krest.ros
    krest.ros 10 May 2013 10: 22
    +9
    I think that all European countries should draw inspiration from Russia on May 9th.

    Anyway, next year on May 9 I plan to be in Moscow to celebrate the holiday.


    HOW EXACTLY AND CORRECTLY EXPRESSED THIS FRENCH.
  20. Hort
    Hort 10 May 2013 10: 22
    13 th
    Like all foreigners, I was completely fascinated by the way the Russians wear St. George ribbons, attaching them to the wrists or antennas of cars.
    funny, foreigners are fascinated, and many of us (including me) believe that it is necessary to beat for such "wearing" ribbons)
    1. antidote
      antidote 10 May 2013 10: 46
      14
      Something I did not see many. On the contrary, many wear it. Of course, there are those who are embarrassed, but these are those who are embarrassed by their parents, those who are silent when they reproach the Homeland with them.
      In general, people with a small soul
      Before May 9, there are a lot of ribbons in cars in Alma Ata, although no one gives them away, as they find
    2. Homo
      Homo 10 May 2013 11: 47
      11
      Quote: hort
      Like all foreigners, I was completely fascinated by the way the Russians wear St. George ribbons, attaching them to the wrists or antennas of cars.
      funny, foreigners are fascinated, and many of us (including me) believe that it is necessary to beat for such "wearing" ribbons)

      Before "counting" I would read about symbolism and heraldry. No one wears St. George's Crosses and Orders of Glory for no reason (this is blasphemy), but ribbons (in memory) should be worn and proud that you were allowed to touch the Glory and Feat of your ancestors!
      1. Drednout
        Drednout 10 May 2013 23: 05
        +2
        Quote: Homo
        but the ribbons (in memory) must be worn and proud that you were allowed to touch the Glory and Feat of the ancestors!

        I agree, but I didn't really like it when they put a ribbon on the bottles of vodka (like half a ton or some other). It always hung in my office, but I didn't screw it over myself. I didn't have a chance to serve in the guard. And I will express the memory of the victory and intolerance towards "Western ideologists" on any day of the year.
      2. Hort
        Hort 12 May 2013 01: 04
        +4
        I am aware of symbolism.

        and now the question is minus citizens: have you done anything from the above in the picture? my conscience doesn’t allow me to drag a tape that I didn’t deserve, much less to sculpt it anywhere.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 May 2013 01: 18
          +1
          Your image does not enlarge. Simpler: Statute of the Order of Glory http://www.testpilots.ru/ref/slavy.htm
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 12 May 2013 01: 20
            +3
            The Order of Glory is awarded for the fact that:
            Bursting first in the enemy’s position, personal courage contributed to the success of the common cause;
            While in a lighted tank, he continued to carry out a combat mission;
            In a moment of danger he saved the banner of his unit from capture by the enemy;
            From personal weapons with marksmanship, destroyed from 10 to 50 enemy soldiers and officers;
            In a battle with anti-tank rifle fire, disabled at least two enemy tanks;
            Destroyed one to three tanks with hand grenades on the battlefield or behind enemy lines;
            Destroyed at least three enemy aircraft with artillery or machine gun fire;
            Despising danger, he was the first to burst into the enemy's bunker (bunker, trench, or dugout), and decisively destroyed his garrison;
            As a result of personal intelligence, he established the enemy’s defense weaknesses and led our troops behind enemy lines;
            Personally captured an enemy officer;
            At night removed the guard post (patrol, secret) of the enemy or captured him;
            Personally, with resourcefulness and courage, having made his way to the enemy’s position, he destroyed his machine gun or mortar;
            Being in a night outing, he destroyed the enemy’s warehouse with military equipment;
            Risking his life, he saved the commander in battle from imminent danger that threatened him;
            Neglecting personal danger, he captured the enemy banner in battle;
            After being wounded, after dressing he returned to duty again;
            He shot down an enemy plane from personal weapons;
            By destroying enemy firepower with artillery or mortar fire, he ensured the successful operations of his unit;
            Under enemy fire, he made a passage for the advancing unit in the enemy's wire fences;
            At the risk of life, under enemy fire, he helped the wounded for a number of battles,
            Being in a wrecked tank, he continued to carry out a combat mission from the weapons of the tank;
            Rapidly crashing into the enemy column on his tank, crumpled it and continued to carry out the combat mission;
            He crushed one or several enemy guns with his tank or destroyed at least two machine-gun nests;
            While in intelligence, he obtained valuable information about the enemy;
            In aerial combat, a fighter pilot destroyed from two to four enemy fighter aircraft or from three to six bomber aircraft;
            As a result of an assault raid, an attack pilot destroyed two to five enemy tanks or three to six steam locomotives, or detonated a train at a railway station or a train, or destroyed at least two aircraft at an enemy airfield;
            As a result of bold initiative actions, an attack pilot destroyed one or two enemy aircraft in aerial combat;
            The crew of the day bomber destroyed the train, blew up the bridge, the ammunition depot, fuel, destroying the headquarters of any enemy compound, destroyed the railway station or stage, blew up the power station, blew up the dam, destroyed the military ship, transport, boat, destroyed at least two enemy aircraft airplanes;
            The crew of a light night bomber blew up an ammunition depot, fuel, destroyed the enemy’s headquarters, blew up a railway train, blew up a bridge;
            The crew of a long-range night bomber destroyed a railway station, blew up an ammunition depot, fuel, destroyed a port facility, destroyed sea transport or a train, destroyed or burned an important plant or factory;
            The crew of the day bomber for a bold action in an air battle, as a result of which one to two aircraft were shot down;
            Scout crew for successfully completed reconnaissance, as a result of which valuable data about the enemy were obtained.
      3. Hort
        Hort 12 May 2013 01: 24
        +1
        Before "counting" I would read about symbolism and heraldry. No one wears St. George's Crosses and Orders for nothing

        St. George Ribbon - a two-color ribbon to the Order of St. George, St. George's Cross, St. George Medal. Also, St. George ribbons on a peak were worn by sailors of the guards of the ship awarded the St. George flag. It was also used as an element of the St. George banners (standard) and an accessory of the banner and standard.
        In some cases, the St. George ribbon was used as an analogue of the corresponding award - the Order of St. George, the Insignia of the Military Order and the St. George Cross. In those cases when the Chevaliers of the Badge of Honor of the Military Order could not receive the Badge itself (for example, during the defense of Sevastopol in 1854-55), they wore the St. George ribbon on their uniform. During the First World War, the St. George Knights also wore the St. George Ribbon in winter over the overcoat.
        In addition, the only time the St. George Ribbon acquired the status of an independent award. This happened in 1914, when, for his services in mobilizing, Lieutenant General A. S. Lukomsky was granted the St. George Ribbon to the Order of St. Vladimir of the 4th degree already in his possession. Thus, he became a holder of a unique order - St. Vladimir on the St. George ribbon. The wits gave this award the nickname "Vladimir Georgievich."
        After the abolition of the award system of the Russian Republic, the St. George ribbon continued to be used in the award systems of the White armies. In particular, it was used on the honorary award of the Volunteer Army - the badge "For the Ice Campaign" and the award of the Eastern Front, the badge "For the Great Siberian Campaign".
        In the USSR award system, the ribbon served as the prototype of the order ribbon, called the "Guard Ribbon". The guards tape was used in the design of the pads of the Order of Glory and the medal “For Victory over Germany”. In addition, the image of the guards tape was placed on the banners of the guards associations, formations and units (ships). With the start of the campaign, the St. George Ribbon in 2005 in the Russian media began to call the Soviet “Guard Ribbon” “St. George Ribbon,” which is incorrect from both a historical and a heraldic point of view.
  21. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 10 May 2013 10: 33
    10
    "Too often, the truth about Russia is spoken with hatred, and the lie with love."
    Andre Jew
    It is clear that the celebration of the Victory Day by Russia on May 9 to the West is not a joy for all people! Indeed, in the war against Russia, practically ALL Europe and Russia participated, having suffered GIANT human and material losses (only the GREAT COUNTRY is capable of this), nevertheless crushed the crusaders-civilizers of the twentieth century and won a complete VICTORY! At the same time, the democrats, our Atlantic allies of the United States and England, were in no hurry to help Russia, postponing the opening of the 2nd front and openly preferring that the war last as long as possible and bleed it as much as possible, making it weak, incapable of resisting the hegemony of the West in the future! And the May 9 Victory destroyed all these plans, Russia emerged from the war with the GREAT POWER and it infuriates shit-democrats-general people who do not want to come to terms with this Victory, with the Greatness of Russia!
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 10 May 2013 17: 02
      +6
      Quote: Goldmitro
      Russia emerged from the war the GREAT POWER and it infuriates shit-democrats-general people who do not want to come to terms with this Victory, with the Greatness of Russia!

      Sorry, not Russia emerged from the war as a Great Power, but the Soviet Union, headed by I. Generalisimus. Stalin.
      1. edge
        edge 12 May 2013 14: 23
        0
        Quote: valokordin
        Sorry, not Russia came out of the war as a Great Power, but the Soviet Union

        always the Soviet Union, Westernizers, was associated as Russia.
  22. Vipirozhnikow
    Vipirozhnikow 10 May 2013 10: 34
    13
    Met May 9 in St. Petersburg. For the second year in a row. My comrades walked in the front door of the Academy along Palace Square, just crowded with people. The mood that prevailed there cannot be described in words with joy, pride or patriotism. You need to be there and feel it inside. They correctly say that Russian is a state of mind. When you see the joyful faces of people gathered to honor veterans at the parade, you walk along the streets and look at the columns of cars with Soviet flags, go down the subway and watch students noticing a veteran bow to him and say thanks, inside wakes up pride for their country and people who on his shoulders he felt the whole burden of wartime and does not forget about the price paid for the victory. One for all, but meaningful life and freedom for future generations.
  23. antikilller55
    antikilller55 10 May 2013 10: 40
    +4
    It is well written to see and the truth has hooked the Frenchman.
  24. vitas
    vitas 10 May 2013 10: 54
    -3
    The Frenchman saw Russia on the street, he would see Russia on the Internet ..... there is very little "street" Russia here!
    1. Vipirozhnikow
      Vipirozhnikow 10 May 2013 11: 01
      +4
      Patriotism, in principle, does not happen much. I didn’t want to switch to a purely military theme, but he alone would not be enough for victory in a modern war. We need modern WORKING equipment and military specialists who know how to operate it, and with this we have not everything as smooth as it might seem.
      1. SerAll
        SerAll 10 May 2013 21: 08
        0
        Good afternoon! You are not quite right! You can say completely wrong! And the USA also has "WORKABLE equipment and military specialists who know how to operate it" but what's the point?
        We won! and the main thing in Victory is Patriotism! love for the Motherland, Fatherland, self-sacrifice ... It was not in vain that V. I. Stalin raised a toast to the "cogs" ...
        1. Vipirozhnikow
          Vipirozhnikow 11 May 2013 00: 37
          0
          I did not say that we need only equipment and specialists, but I noted that patriotism alone is not enough. It should be supported by these components =)
    2. Homo
      Homo 10 May 2013 11: 50
      +3
      Quote: vitas
      The Frenchman saw Russia on the street, he would see Russia on the Internet ..... there is very little "street" Russia here!

      Do you think the Frenchman is "wild", uneducated, unable to use the Internet?
    3. A. Yaga
      A. Yaga 10 May 2013 15: 24
      +4
      Quote: vitas
      The Frenchman saw Russia on the street, he would see Russia on the Internet ..... there is very little "street" Russia here!

      On Victory Day, those who are scared to go out on the Internet are sitting on the Internet. The Russian People is Too Great. Fearfully.
      1. Armata
        Armata 10 May 2013 17: 11
        +1
        Sorry, accidentally slammed you a minus. I repent and correct love
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 10 May 2013 17: 29
          +2
          Quote: Mechanic
          Sorry, accidentally slammed you a minus. I repent and correct


          i will correct laughing
    4. Armata
      Armata 10 May 2013 16: 50
      +2
      Quote: vitas
      The Frenchman saw Russia on the street, he would see Russia on the Internet ..... there is very little "street" Russia here!
      I'm on the internet. Unlike the uneducated troll, I was at the parade yesterday. By your standards, am I also street Russia? If so, then I will be proud of it.
  25. Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 10 May 2013 10: 57
    16
    In Sevastopol, also incredible May 9 was. Morning, beautiful weather, everyone is on the street ... People with flowers and smiling faces, flags and ribbons ... And the parade itself was pretty well done this year, well done.
  26. antidote
    antidote 10 May 2013 11: 00
    +7
    "As a result, patriotism is automatically regarded as a form of nationalism and takes on a negative connotation. It's hard to be a patriot in France without arousing suspicion of potential nationalistic hatred of other people"
    All repeats. After the 1917 coup in the USSR before the war, the concept of PATRIOTISM was banned. For the world revolution this term was unacceptable. Professional revolutionaries were obsessed with the manic idea of ​​starting a world fire around the world. Thanks to the pre-war purges, the ranks of fiery revolutionaries were greatly thinned. And already during the years of the Second World War it was difficult to win the Great Victory without patriotism!
    1. Vipirozhnikow
      Vipirozhnikow 10 May 2013 11: 13
      +5
      Also, Soviet power was against the church, and even more so, great commanders such as Suvorov, Kutuzov, Rumyantsev were not held in high esteem, but during the war, Stalin, in his speeches to the people at the most difficult moments, spoke of God and historical roots, recalled our commanders . Do not forget your story. You need to remember the roots. Remember the Great Victories and do not forget the experience of defeats. The patriotism of our people should be fueled by the country's leadership. No wonder they say that the fish rots from the head. Not only ordinary people, but also the Government, local managers should think not so much about their well-being as about the prosperity of the state and what they will leave to future generations.
      1. VADIMKRSK
        VADIMKRSK 10 May 2013 12: 46
        +4
        How to make fish think about something other than food? Stuff your belly and die in London or Miami.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 10 May 2013 13: 08
        +1
        Quote: ViPirozhnikow
        Also, Soviet power was against the church

        What do you want? The Russian Orthodox Church betrayed the country during the Civil War, supported the interventionists, and eventually lost its influence.
        1. antidote
          antidote 10 May 2013 15: 38
          +1
          What does it mean to betray the country during the Civil War? Who betrayed - Soviet power or the White Guards? There was no country, there was a torn long-suffering Russia
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 10 May 2013 15: 53
            -1
            Quote: antidot
            What does it mean to betray the country during the Civil War? Who betrayed - Soviet power or the White Guards? There was no country, there was a torn long-suffering Russia

            Betrayed - it means that she openly called for support of the interventionists, I’ll pay attention not to white and not red, but to foreign interventionists, however, this is not the first time that the Christian religion is essentially false and hypocritical.
            1. Alexey K.
              Alexey K. 11 May 2013 00: 26
              +4
              Dear person, unfounded statements about the betrayal by the Russian Orthodox Church of its people, of its Fatherland is an obvious lie. If there are facts, give an example - at the same time, the unworthy actions of some representatives of the Church do not mean that the whole Church supports it. And the statement that "the Christian religion is in essence a false, hypocritical" is a square lie - or you are an enemy of our Motherland, whose 1000-year history is inextricably linked with the Russian Orthodox Church, or you are simply incompetent in this matter - then teach history ...

              On the first day of the war, the head of the Orthodox Church in Russia, His Beatitude Patriarch Sergius Metropolitan of Moscow and Kolomensky addressed his pastors and believers with a message sent to all parishes on the same day. In it, he blesses all Orthodox to defend the sacred borders of our country.

              Shepherds and flocks of the Orthodox Church of Christ.



              In recent years, we, the inhabitants of Russia, have consoled ourselves with the hope that a military fire that has swept almost the whole world will not affect our country. But fascism, recognizing by law only bare power and used to mock the high demands of honor and morality, turned out to be true to itself this time too. The fascist robbers attacked our homeland. Flouting all sorts of contracts and promises, they suddenly fell upon us, and now the blood of civilians is already irrigating our native land. The times of Batu, German knights, Charles of Sweden, Napoleon are repeated. The miserable descendants of the enemies of Orthodox Christianity want to once again try to bring our people to their knees before untruth, to force him to sacrifice the goodness and integrity of his homeland, the blood covenants of love for his country.

              But this is not the first time that the Russian people have to endure such tests. With God’s help, this time too, he will scatter the fascist enemy power to dust. Our ancestors did not lose heart and in a worse situation, because they remembered not their personal dangers and benefits, but their sacred duty to their homeland and faith and emerged victorious.
              1. Alexey K.
                Alexey K. 11 May 2013 00: 27
                +3
                Continued:
                Let us not shame their glorious name, and we are Orthodox, dear to them both in the flesh and in faith. The fatherland is defended by arms and a common national feat, by its general willingness to serve the fatherland in the difficult hour of trial with everything that anyone can. Here it is the work of the workers, peasants, scientists, women and men, young men and the elderly. Everyone can and should contribute to the overall feat their share of labor, care and art.

                Recall the holy leaders of the Russian people, for example, Alexander Nevsky, Dimitri Donskoy, who laid down their souls for the people and their homeland. And not only the leaders did it. Let us recall the innumerable thousands of ordinary Orthodox warriors, whose unknown names the Russian people immortalized in their glorious legend about the heroes Ilya Muromets, Dobryn Nikitich and Alyosha Popovich, who routed the Nightingale the Robber.

                Our Orthodox Church has always shared the fate of the people. Together with him she carried tests, and was comforted by his successes. She will not leave her people now. She blesses the blessing of heaven and the upcoming national feat.

                If for someone, then we need to remember the commandment of Christ: "Greater love is no one else to love, but whoever sets his soul for his own." It is not only the one who will be killed on the battlefield for his people and his good who believes his soul, but also anyone who sacrifices himself, his health or profit for the sake of his homeland. To us, the pastors of the Church, at a time when the fatherland calls on everyone to exploit, it would be unworthy to only tacitly look at what is happening around us, not to encourage the faint-hearted, not to comfort the distressed, to hesitate not to remind of duty and the will of God. And if, in addition, the silence of the shepherd, his non-contact with the flock being experienced is also explained by crafty considerations about the possible benefits on the other side of the border, then this will be a direct betrayal of the homeland and its pastoral duty, since the Church needs a shepherd who truly performs his service “for Jesus and not for the sake of kusa bread, ”as St. Demetrius of Rostov put it. Let us put our souls together with our flock. Countless thousands of our Orthodox warriors, who laid down their lives for their homeland and faith at all times of the invasion of enemies on our homeland, went through selflessness. They were dying, not thinking of glory, they only thought that their homeland needed a sacrifice on their part, and humbly sacrificed everything and their own life.

                The Church of Christ blesses all Orthodox to protect the sacred borders of our homeland.

                The Lord grants us victory!

                Metropolitan of Moscow and Kolomna Sergiy Moscow June 22, 1941
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 May 2013 01: 12
                  -4
                  Dear Alexey K. Unfortunately, your beautiful words do not correspond to reality. The most "bad" deeds of Orthodoxy - actually Christianization with the destruction of all dissent, serfdom, well, there is little money, slaves, destruction of the Gentiles.
                  1. Seraph
                    Seraph 11 May 2013 01: 21
                    0
                    Wow, what a juicy delirium !!!
              2. patrianostra
                patrianostra 11 May 2013 11: 55
                +1
                In 1985, on Easter, just as in this one, which coincided on May 9, I saw the head priest of the church in the village of Gruzkoye in the Donetsk region, as my father later found out, the whole war went on at fart such awards that he did not receive in the rear.
            2. Seraph
              Seraph 11 May 2013 01: 26
              +1
              A typical allegation of a fanatical atheist. Nothing but terry ignorance and liberal godless anger against believers, nothing new since the days of Nero, Robespierre and Gubelman-Yaroslavsky. Change plate, stuck
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 May 2013 01: 54
                -1
                Quote: Seraphim
                A typical allegation of a fanatical atheist. Nothing but terry ignorance and liberal godless anger against believers, nothing new since the days of Nero, Robespierre and Gubelman-Yaroslavsky. Change plate, stuck

                Bullshit - speak on behalf of God, cover up your affairs with the interests of God, earn money on behalf of God. Bullshit - this is when you did not give alms to the little beggars and in return you were cursed with the tacit consent of the priest. I'll tell you a pancake about nonsense, about a disease called the religion of the brain.
                If I were an atheist, I would simply not know this, I would think "there is an Orthodox church, and to hell with it."
                1. edge
                  edge 12 May 2013 13: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Bullshit - speak on behalf of God, cover up your affairs with the interests of God, earn money on behalf of God. Bullshit - this is when you did not give alms to the little beggars and in return you were cursed with the tacit consent of the priest. I'll tell you a pancake about nonsense, about a disease called religion of the brain

                  I think Molokans, to talk with God, I do not need intermediaries .....
              2. VADIMKRSK
                VADIMKRSK 11 May 2013 11: 25
                +1
                Atheist, but I respect the faith of my ancestors. Baptized children. Something in Orthodoxy is dear to me, probably genetically ...
        2. VADIMKRSK
          VADIMKRSK 10 May 2013 15: 46
          +1
          There is no influence, rituals remained. Bad, he was not baptized, was born in Severodvinsk. But the kids were baptized.
        3. krest.ros
          krest.ros 10 May 2013 15: 52
          +1
          The Russian Orthodox Church has never betrayed anyone. She has always been with the people. If it were otherwise, there would be no country like Russia. This is the first thing. Second, the term betrayal applies to the hierarchs of the Church. First, the hierarchs betrayed the Tsar, then the country and the people. As a result, they went to the extreme, "blessing" the provisional government and the White Guard anti-monarchist organizations, etc.
          The Russian Church is holy and by definition does not participate in the affairs of darkness.

          The format of the site does not allow for a serious discussion on this topic in order to dot the "i" s.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 10 May 2013 16: 11
            -2
            Quote: krest.ros
            She has always been with the people. If it were otherwise, there would be no country like Russia.

            The words of a church fanatic in which there is not a drop of meaning and truth.
            Quote: krest.ros
            First, the hierarchs betrayed the Tsar, then the country and the people. As a result, they went to the extreme, "blessing" the provisional government and the White Guard anti-monarchist organizations, etc.

            Well, we understand very well that not all "fathers" are traitors; nevertheless, the prestige of the Russian Orthodox Church has been undermined and has not yet been restored.
            Quote: krest.ros
            The format of the site does not allow for a serious discussion on this topic in order to dot the "i" s.

            Here you are right in something, not the topic of publication.
            1. Alexey K.
              Alexey K. 11 May 2013 00: 39
              +1
              Dear Setrak, you probably flew from another planet of Setrakia and do not know anything about earthly affairs when you say that "the prestige of the ROC has been undermined and has not yet been restored." Further, read a small documentary friend, otherwise your comments sound like nonsense and you seem ridiculous.

              The Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill cited statistics, according to which over the past 20 years 23 thousand Orthodox churches have been restored in Russia.

              “We have somehow got used to it, it has become a common place: we have restored, corrected, restored. But let's think about one figure - 20 thousand churches have been restored over these 23 years,” he said on Friday at a meeting of the Patriarchal Council for Culture in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior ...

              According to him, "nothing like this has happened in any country ever in history."

              The Primate of the Russian Church drew attention to the fact that this was done not during economic prosperity, political stability and social harmony, but against the backdrop of economic, political and social confrontation.

              According to Patriarch Kirill, by 1991 in the territory of the former Soviet Union there were 7 thousand operating churches and 22 monasteries. Now the number of temples has reached 30 thousand.

              Who has ears will hear and who has eyes will see.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 May 2013 01: 31
                0
                Precious Alexey K., are you probably from the planet Alesakakakia?
                I see the prestige with my own eyes, there is no place to put the stigma on the Russian Orthodox Church. For whose money was restored? For mine, they take taxes from me, and people like me!
                Other denominations are not better, or even worse, but others do not concern me.
                You can use your documents for the purpose in the toilet, I see everything with my own eyes, I have to go to church in another village.
                1. Alexey K.
                  Alexey K. 11 May 2013 21: 33
                  +2
                  Dear Setrak, when there are no facts and arguments, they usually think of toilets.
                  In general, a big gratitude to you from the whole Orthodox people - it turns out at whose expense the churches are being restored. Just take the trouble to show your tax return where underline the point saying that there is a tax in favor of the church (it seems that our church is separate from the state), and if such a point is not found, then you are lying. What then can be the credibility of your words.
                  Thank God comments are read by educated and adequate people who will be able to figure out where the truth is.
                  Good luck to you.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 11 May 2013 21: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey K.
                    Good luck to you.

                    It was necessary to begin with this, no need to fool people with religious propaganda.
                    All the best.
        4. VADIMKRSK
          VADIMKRSK 11 May 2013 11: 15
          0
          Betrayed before. With the abdication of Nicholas 2.
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 May 2013 14: 29
      +7
      Quote: antidot
      After the 1917 coup in the USSR before the war, the concept of PATRIOTISM was banned.


      dear, excuse me, but no one ever forbade a poem that I learned as a child, I actually remember it now:

      ... I would be a wolf
      gnawed
      bureaucracy.
      To mandates
      no respect.
      To any
      to hell with mothers
      roll around
      any piece of paper.
      But this ...
      Я
      I get
      from wide legs
      duplicate
      priceless cargo.
      Read,
      envy,
      I am -
      citizen
      Soviet Union. 1929 year.

      the factor you are writing about ended much earlier and was much shorter, remember Chkalov’s flight in 37th, the North Pole-1 and much more that was aimed not only at raising prestige in the international arena, but also at raising patriotism .
      1. antidote
        antidote 10 May 2013 15: 44
        +1
        It is hard to call patriotism for the pride of the Red Book. Further, the notion of PATRIOTISM was forbidden precisely by fiery revolutionaries, internationalists. I am not saying that ordinary people were not proud of anything. Did Trotsky and his associates really cause Russian patriotism to cause malice? By the way, it was in 1929 that he was kicked out of the country, and only after Stalin’s victory over Trotsky did the country begin to recover and slowly return to its roots
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 May 2013 18: 54
          +2
          Quote: antidot
          It is hard to call patriotism for the pride of the Red Book.


          you have strange ideas about patriotism ...
          if a person has the attributes of statehood and citizenship (flag, anthem, passport ...) cause a sense of pride, then it is difficult to call it patriotism? belay

          ATTENTION!!!
          READ MORE CAREFULLY !!!

          You said:

          Quote: antidot
          After the 1917 coup in the USSR before the war, the concept of PATRIOTISM was banned.


          I said:

          Quote: Karlsonn
          the factor you are writing about ended much earlier and was much shorter, remember Chkalov’s flight in 37th, North Pole-1 and much more
          and cited a 1929 poem as evidence.

          then you start to bustle booty on the rail:

          Quote: antidot
          I’m not saying that ordinary people were not proud of something. Did Trotsky and his associates really cause Russian patriotism to cause malice?



          Quote: antidot
          By the way, it was in 1929 that he was kicked out of the country, and only after Stalin’s victory over Trotsky did the country begin to recover and slowly return to its roots


          Do you admit that you were wrong?
          + REPEAT +

          Quote: antidot
          After the 1917 coup in the USSR before the war, the concept of PATRIOTISM was banned.


          that patriotism was not banned in the USSR from 1917 to 1941 and the Soviet people did not suddenly start to love and are proud of their homeland on July 22, 1941?
          The essence of my comment and appeal to you was precisely in this yes
  27. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 10 May 2013 11: 03
    19
    "It is true that people in Moscow seem secretive and cold."
    Lord, how they mutilated themselves there in the West! You come to the store - everyone grins. You walk down the street - all your lips are drawn to your ears. Whatever they did, they just passed by, they are already crushing the same lyba. So what? They themselves seem to be like "friendly and open" ?! Stunned! They've just become ubiquitous and disingenuous. Previously, there were still people among them, but now ... one false lyba for all, and under it ...
    If a Russian smiles at you - he feels affection for you, shows his good mood in communication with you or wants to convey to you a positive emotion. Our smile means something! Or, if you translate into a sneaky Western way of understanding - it's worth something. Our man does not like to lie and does not want, no matter how we are accustomed to this. And do not lie that Westerners do not feel this and do not understand. They all understand ... just the miserable remnants of the little soul that they have not died yet, shame burns for themselves. For the betrayal of his own smile ... So they are trying to pull it on us, their lying, cold, slimy grimace. Ugh ...
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 10 May 2013 12: 10
      +5
      Mihail3
      miserable remnants of the soul ...
      In English, the word soul has a slightly different meaning than ours!
      If you do not say that, as such, the deep meaning of the word applicable in Russia, they do not attach any significance there.
      soul-psyche
      (soul, psyche) eng.
    2. sanych your division
      sanych your division 10 May 2013 13: 11
      +5
      slightly disagree. there is ordinary politeness. in a French store for ten years, not one saleswoman has ever been rude to me. I was on vacation in April at home. I went for bread. asked the price. in response - open your eyes! why don’t you see? I say there the price tag fell is not visible. snorted corrected the price tag. I almost cried with emotion. not so long ago
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 10 May 2013 14: 04
        +7
        Well, they barked. Not good, of course ... But impoliteness and lies are not the same thing. They have grown their tolerance out of "politeness". Because if it is impolite to despise a gay man for open advertising of pederasty, then it is impolite to call yourself a father! And the word mother of a poor pid ... ra offends!
        This is how you give a sincere smile into slavery to wildly understood politeness, and look - someone is already attached behind ... Be polite. But smile only to friends and beauties. Smile to those who deserve it, a person is generally alive only as long as a smile lives inside him. And dies when it goes out ... the zombie apocalypse in the West has already arrived. Already eating each other with might and main and from us brains-and-and with all their might call out ... smile
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 10 May 2013 17: 10
      +3
      Quote: Mikhail3
      So they are trying to pull it on us, their lying, cold, slimy grimace. Ugh ...

      So the name of their smile has long been come up with a plastic smile. Yes, and when you come to the store, so the saleswomen are smiling all the way ... Friendly people like that are already scary. If you go to the bank, SO they smile at you, which is most pleasant - people cheered up. But God forbid you don’t have money on time ... Gutted. With smiles.
  28. stasdolgov
    stasdolgov 10 May 2013 11: 29
    +8
    There is no prophet in his own country. They are unhappy with ourselves, we are with ourselves. Touch someone from outside my country and I will accept the pose of the offended. Praise and I will praise. So it was and will be. But we must admit: politics is created by politicians, and we ourselves are patriotism. The mass of youths misunderstood the United States, etc., but they will end up there, and where the love of the West disappears ...
  29. crasever
    crasever 10 May 2013 11: 51
    +5
    This French guy remembered and pronounced the very immortal words - "Normandy - Niemen", which held together Russia and France with joint victories and those who died for the holy cause !!!
  30. knn54
    knn54 10 May 2013 12: 03
    +6
    All clubs and yachts are bought. Is it really impossible to buy newspapers / magazines (for now) and publish similar articles abroad (of their own correspondents)? It seems that there are no PATRIOTS among officials and tycoons ...
    1. antidote
      antidote 10 May 2013 15: 53
      +2
      Why so? There were reports of our tycoons buying French and English newspapers. But they do not poke into the editorial policy. It is difficult to suspect patriotism among our oligarchs, as they are usually all of the same nationality that we all know.
      But there are good examples. It is not in vain that the RT channel is very popular in the West.
    2. antidote
      antidote 10 May 2013 15: 54
      +2
      And why does my avatar always come out under a striped flag? Well, I have nothing to do with this country
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 10 May 2013 19: 50
        0
        Quote: antidot
        And why does my avatar always come out under a striped flag?



        laughing
      2. Drednout
        Drednout 10 May 2013 23: 10
        0
        Come on ... Then you just need to change the letters in places: US to SU. wink
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 May 2013 23: 36
          0
          Sudan? belay Suriname? belay
    3. valokordin
      valokordin 10 May 2013 17: 07
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      all clubs and yachts are bought. Is it really impossible to buy newspapers / magazines (for now) and publish similar articles abroad (of their own correspondents)? It seems that there are no PATRIOTS among officials and tycoons ...

      I put you a plus, the concept of patriotism and the homeland for this public was not and is not. Their patriotism is the dollar, euro, pounds and maybe tugriks
  31. Homeless
    Homeless 10 May 2013 12: 18
    +7
    Quote: shark
    Yesterday I wandered into Echo Moskvy. I read an article by a certain Mokhnatkin (what a fighter for some human rights) So, I read it and began to reread it again. For I did not believe my eyes. It turns out that Stalin unleashed a war, it turns out that for our victory he should be declared a war criminal. There was also a lot of delirium and tearful affection from the fact that our "drove" into battle in rags, but the Germans had beautiful shoes. This creation ended with a proposal to stop celebrating on May 9, as the French did.
    People, why is this ... still trampling our earth, breathing our air? Why is he allowed to open his dirty mouth? How long will we watch indifferently as a handful of liberals spit on our Motherland?

    Personally, I believe that such people should be deprived of Russian citizenship and at 24 to push him out of the country, even at the expense of the state, buy him a ticket and let him fly wherever he wants to "teach democracy" to Western Europe or the United States, but if they do not accept him, then in Somalia, there are not enough slaves.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 10 May 2013 14: 32
      +4
      Quote: Homeless
      Era wandered into the Echo of Moscow. I read the article of a certain Mokhnatkin (what a fighter for some kind of human rights). So, I read it and began to re-read it again. For I could not believe my eyes.

      Have you seen Yu.Lat (d?) Yo ... u !! Yes, it’s not poison oozing from all the cracks on Stalin and everything Soviet. Medinsky tried to talk to her (ibid.) - as her kondraty did not fuck right in the studio - I am surprised. They finally have someone in the position there is not yo..n..th? Ready to accept even e..n..that quiet or novice schizophrenic.
    2. Seraph
      Seraph 11 May 2013 01: 38
      0
      Do not deport. So far ... but these subhuman have a terrible punishment, and inevitable. Such that the blood in the veins freezes. The name of this punishment is HELL, where they will always cook in their anger, in their lies, in their meanness. People who have trampled on conscience, slandered all that is holy, who have corrupted the honor and dignity of Man ...
  32. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 10 May 2013 12: 20
    +3
    Interestingly, who "minus" the article, motives?
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 10 May 2013 12: 58
      +7
      Quote: d.gksueyjd
      Interestingly, who "minus" the article, motives?

      Minusanul was another genius / truth-seeker, with an uncomplicated brain propaganda and a soul not burdened with love for the Motherland, sincerely believing that patriotism can develop only in London.
  33. Homeless
    Homeless 10 May 2013 12: 22
    +5
    A very good article, thanks to the author, but I would very much like to have such an article read in France, in the European Union and the USA, because the concept of Victory and the role of Russia and the entire Soviet Union are very intensely washed out from people's memory.
  34. drongo
    drongo 10 May 2013 13: 00
    +8
    May 9 is not only a victory over fascism, it is a triumph of the victory of good over evil. Eternal memory and low bow to the fallen in this war!
  35. leopard
    leopard 10 May 2013 13: 00
    +4
    Become great! +
    On my own I wanted to add that I live and work in Spain. And I have never seen anyone here celebrating Victory Day over fascism. And there are no Russian parades on TV here. You all write 'Let them see' and they just don't give a damn.
    Well there was a war. So what?
    1. vovan100
      vovan100 10 May 2013 14: 15
      +2
      they must first show the film "ordinary fascism"
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 10 May 2013 14: 19
      +2
      I watched the Euronews hour today. Neither about the Victory, nor about the parade a word. But ... There is such a thing - displaying a picture without words, without comment. There was a parade. The orchestra, military equipment and immediately Putin’s face, with a smile ... they say that the evil dictator is watching the army of the black Mordor ...
      What kind of freak drilled people that they were on the equipment? What is this wildly curled neck ?! Why do living people cheat through their side to the sky? I understand that the British had a lot of fun, winding the Indians and Pakistanis with a "military article" with heels raised to the sky and cock combs on their heads. But this head, twisted as if in a half-pressed chicken, humiliates the warrior! If the Tower has clowns, the devil in what mummers, stupid races show tourists - this is not a reason to turn your fighters into a laughing stock.
      I want to see in the ranks of the Russian warrior, the power and glory of the state, and not something ridiculously twisted ...
  36. aviamed90
    aviamed90 10 May 2013 13: 03
    +5
    I read the article. The score is "plus".
    Enemy is visible to the naked eye. Man envy of people who have SUCH Homeland!
    We really have something to be proud of (mainly the country's past)! Just like - and not be proud (mostly present).
    Our task is to make us proud of the present in the future.
  37. sanych your division
    sanych your division 10 May 2013 13: 05
    +4
    and here is the information for consideration at the July 14 parade, the French are most loudly greeted by the box of the Foreign Legion. its like that is not very. that's such patriotism. and for the Arabs the truth. in the evening in one, if you are fit in some parts of Paris, you can plunge into a scuffle flowing into stabbing. and generally about lovers in the evening walking along the banks of the Seine bullshit. is empty. afraid of bunnels. it's the Arabs so called for the eyes.
  38. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 10 May 2013 13: 43
    +3
    And for me on May 9, the most important holiday, well, Easter for some reason. Even the New Year and Christmas are not so important, and I try not to celebrate my birthday at all, although my relatives constantly congratulate me. I don’t know if it’s appropriate to speak, but my mother once said that it’s possible because they conceived me that day.
  39. piotr534
    piotr534 10 May 2013 13: 57
    +4
    Tour. agencies in the west need to organize May tours to Russia, under the name "All the secrets of the Russian soul" or "Know the Russian soul." Then they will understand how to love their homeland in order to protect it.
    1. jjj
      jjj 10 May 2013 19: 01
      +3
      And 28 of May, the last Sunday of July and 2 of August
  40. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 10 May 2013 14: 10
    +4
    from the Don.
    A good friend of mine, about 8 years ago, had a daughter married a gendarme from a suburb of Paris. For the first days upon arrival, he was shocked by what he saw. A week later, all Western propaganda flew out of his head, because in the village to live , you need to work hard from morning to evening.
    It is necessary to collect these moral monsters, pouring mud on their country, and in the village, to a good master, for 6 months, beat the dope.
  41. vovan100
    vovan100 10 May 2013 14: 13
    +2
    who does not have a sense of patriotism, he lost the war without starting it. In France, this concept seems to be so perverted that I feel sorry for them.
  42. slaventi
    slaventi 10 May 2013 14: 35
    +4
    We have a great holiday Victory Day. As demobes did not try to erase the memory of the war in our people, turn our victory into defeat, nothing came of it. And it won’t work out, Russia is now on the path to gaining sovereignty. May God soon be our information field. It’s indecent to be a patriot in France. borders between countries and nations oblivion of roots and traditions is what a united Europe is. We have a chance to gain freedom and they probably no longer have it.
    1. edge
      edge 12 May 2013 14: 41
      0
      Quote: slaventi
      As demobes did not try to erase the memory of the war in our people
      how are you right, we still have to unite many around
  43. Black
    Black 10 May 2013 14: 46
    +3
    I do not know why in Russia it is so strong. Maybe because so many women participated in the battles?

    It seems to me that Russian girls have a difference with whom to sleep, and French women, it makes no difference, which they demonstrated in the 40s.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 May 2013 15: 07
      +2
      Quote: Chen
      and French women, it makes no difference, which they demonstrated in the 40s.


      it?

      on the picture:

      Famous fashionists Rosa Valois, Madame le Monier and Madame Agnes during the races at the Longshan Racecourse, August 1943.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 10 May 2013 15: 10
        +1
        on the picture:

        The audience in the cafe. Paris.
    2. T-73
      T-73 10 May 2013 18: 34
      +3
      No difference to them lately. And then they feel the difference de jure: with a date they ... gave birth to children, with a norg, with a German or with an Indian. Something damn breaking through one at the embassy of protection to look for. Love is gone, wilted tomatoes? Are free. They ... they don’t understand what they’re going to. Love bl.ya. Russian guys are not needed, and the Russian diplomat guy (and even a dyatka) becomes the only hope. Creatures - IMHO
  44. The gentleman
    The gentleman 10 May 2013 14: 59
    +6
    I’m wondering who decided to put a minus article. The French, a French citizen decided to see what May 9 is, how he is celebrated and came to the conclusion that there really is a memory of respect and this is again an answer to the West. More such articles, let foreigners see our tribute to veterans! thank the granfather for the victory!!!
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 May 2013 15: 12
      13
      Quote: Gentleman
      that's interesting who decided to put a minus article.


      he - negative
      1. antidote
        antidote 10 May 2013 15: 58
        +6
        On Victory Day, the sites of a number of media outlets were attacked by hackers who called themselves "network hamsters"

        On May 9, the sites of Echo Moskvy in St. Petersburg, the Dozhd TV channel, Fontanka.ru and some others were subjected to a DDoS attack. "As in the first time, when the Novaya Gazeta website was unavailable, we - the hamsters of the network - take responsibility for the DDOS attack," the hackers said.
        1. T-73
          T-73 10 May 2013 18: 39
          +2
          not all of the delimedia to bring down, although there they were crushed so that you can immediately see that the truth is like a bone throat. But Pasaran!!!
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 May 2013 19: 03
          +4
          Quote: antidot
          On May 9, the sites of Ekho Moskvy in St. Petersburg, the Dozhd TV channel, Fontanka.ru and some others were subjected to a DDoS attack.

          the overwhelming majority of people on May 9 did not care deeply about the sites of Echo of Moscow in St. Petersburg, the Dozhd TV channel, Fontanka.ru and some others, they were celebrating fellow

          "network hamsters" have long become a household nickname for liberal Creakles.


          Quote: antidot
          “As in the first time when the Novaya Gazeta website was unavailable, we - the hamsters of the network - assume responsibility for the DDOS attack,” the hackers said.


          another run and bullshit, miserable and withering sites of "Echo of Moscow" in St. Petersburg, the TV channel "Rain", "Fontanka.ru" and some others are trying to fill their price, but their attempts are ridiculous hi .
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 10 May 2013 22: 10
        +1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        he -

        This is a terrible monkey with a grenade.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 May 2013 23: 38
          +2
          Quote: retired
          This is a terrible monkey with a grenade.


          and they are:
          - they are few;
          - the type of brain - brains;
          - but damn so active that noise and dust from them what Well, according to my estimates, a company of such raises a train like a division.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 11 May 2013 00: 40
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            - but damn so active that the noise and dust from them well, according to my estimates, a company of such raises a train like a division.

            Well say. Rodents. The ideal biological weapon. Know their strength. That impudent bastards.
  45. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 10 May 2013 15: 21
    +3
    and now let them get poached, once again they will scribble some incredibly nonsense democratically liberal nasty little article about RUSSIA in with their newspaper and is it worth it to constantly tease and shake and periodically frighten everyone there about such a country with such a great victorious history and not staunchly and patriotically because afterwards when the tanks drive them back from our historical homeland, they will again bury themselves.
  46. adler
    adler 10 May 2013 15: 38
    +4
    A good article, in places it reaches the depths of the soul. We give a link to it ...
  47. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 10 May 2013 15: 54
    +3
    but in general they have everything the old way, at least in France, technically, the breakups seem to be good, but the moral and patriotic mood is low for the war, they are unprepared for the poem, I think Germany was so easy to smash them in 2 mirava. and the article was pleased all the same that well, there are even sensible people and not all journalists are dancing to the band and trying to get to the truth
  48. RF citizen
    RF citizen 10 May 2013 16: 08
    +4
    I also join in the many congratulations to our veterans and rear officers, children of the War and all who brought Victory as close as possible. Thanks for the victory!
    I had a chance to read a selection of memories of women in the war. http://amic.ru/news/218471/ - link, who cares.
    After all these memories of veterans, how can you become like a villain like Mudzhabayev and Bagramov ?! Although what am I talking about? At all times there have been such personalities. The essence of their life is this: to talk "about millions of people ruined by Stalin and the liberator Hitler."
    It’s even somewhat good that there are such people, after their words you believe even more that our grandfathers and Stalin were right. These ..shocks are like beacons that show what kind of crap you shouldn’t fall.
    Even on this ideological front, it is worth remembering and believing: Our cause is just! Victory will be ours!
    All a Happy Holiday! And God grant us all a peaceful sky above our heads.
  49. Gamal
    Gamal 10 May 2013 16: 09
    11
    We won and this is the main thing. And it depends only on us that the memory of this is not erased from the consciousness of our people, what the West and their fifth column in the person of Svanidze, Posners, Nemtsov and the like are trying to do, who by hook or by crook are trying to steal this Victory from us. We will not give them such a "happy" opportunity and will always remember about the feat of our grandfathers. Well, guys, for the Victory!
  50. marikoukou
    marikoukou 10 May 2013 16: 16
    +6
    Ne veru ia im ((((Ia estco pomnu ix zloradstvo vo vremia koshmara Beslana
    Skolko kritiki i xixikan'ia togda bilo na TV France2 na deystvie nashix grupp ((