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Historical amnesia of the Latvian political elites

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Once again, they could not remain “indifferent” to the Victory Day holiday of a representative of the Latvian authorities. The departure of thousands of residents of Latvian cities 9 May to the streets to celebrate the victory over fascism, apparently, again became a bitter pill for "democratic" gentlemen from the Latvian parliament. Oh, these gentlemen ...




This time, representatives of the ruling party of Latvia took the initiative to dismantle the monument to the liberators of Riga, the construction of which was completed in 1985 year. This is the same monument, around which a record number of residents and guests of the Latvian capital is gathering on Victory Day in recent years. According to the latest information, 8 and 9 may annually gather up to 350 thousands of people near the monument. If we take into account that the population of Riga does not exceed 700 of thousands of inhabitants, then it can be stated with confidence that about half of the total population of the Latvian capital annually participates in events dedicated to Victory Day. This state of affairs is obviously frightening to the current Latvian authorities, who continue to stand on the fact that the Soviet army did not liberate Latvia during World War II, but occupied it. And their main fear is that the ongoing harassment of war veterans who participated in the liberation of Latvia from fascism leads only to a backlash: most ordinary Latvians invariably pay tribute to the people who defeated the troops of Hitler’s army and its accomplices in the Baltic States. At the same time, every year in Latvia the influence of those public organizations that stand to protect the honor and dignity of Soviet veterans is increasing.

Apparently, the Latvian parliamentarians from the ruling party saw in strengthening the position of people who wholeheartedly wish to celebrate the Victory Day in the war over fascism, the role of a monument that rises above Riga. In general, the Latvian authorities are accustomed to fighting precisely with those who, due to circumstances, cannot give a real rebuff - either with 85-old veterans of the war, or with silent monuments. This clearly characterizes the Latvian ruling elite ...
In order not to allow the monument to act as a symbol of the defeat of the Nazis in the Baltic States, and there are proposals for its demolition. However, even if we assume that the Latvian parliament will adopt such a decision by a majority of votes, which, by the way, cannot be ruled out in the situation with the one-sided policy of the Latvian authorities, it is unlikely that the same authorities will dismantle the monument without any problems. If we take into account that the same 350 of thousands of people who come annually to 8 and 9 in Riga at the monument to the soldiers-liberators may come to his defense, then, as they say, it will not seem like a little.

By the way, before making the appropriate decision to dismantle the monument in Riga, the Latvian authorities should pay attention to the “experience” of Estonian colleagues. Recall that in Tallinn at one time they also had a hand in the country's most famous monument, dedicated to the memory of the dead Soviet soldiers. Then the whole world saw the true face of Estonian democracy, which is based not on the majority opinion, but on the desire to renounce historical reality and demonstrate their loyalty to the world sponsors of the demonization of the Soviet soldier-winner. And then the Estonian authorities first encountered a massive rejection of their own decisions. Calm and pacified Estonia has become a country covered by popular protests against the transfer of the Bronze Soldier monument from the center of Tallinn. In addition, the Estonian authorities were punished for their decision by global hacker groups, which dealt a really crushing blow to the Estonian economy, blocking the work of banks and other financial (and not only) institutions of the country. The Estonian authorities accused Moscow of cyber attacks, but then it turned out that the Internet attack on Estonia was inflicted not only from Russia. The punishment for trying to rewrite the history of World War II came from China, Vietnam, Ukraine, the USA, Egypt and other countries of the world.

If the Latvian ruling forces want to repeat the Estonian leapfrog with monuments to Soviet soldiers liberators, then, as they say, it will be only their desire ... However, in the Latvian case one should expect much more powerful protest actions if only because the population of Latvia exceeds the population of Estonia by almost a million people . At the same time, about 36% of the inhabitants of Latvia are ethnic Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians, who are clearly not happy with the fact that someone is going to dismantle the monument to the liberators of Riga.

In addition to the current politicians, one of the main ideologists of the dismantling of the monument in Riga is the ex-deputy from the ruling political forces, Mr. Kirsteins. The same Kirshteins, who recently stated that non-citizens living in the territory of the Republic of Latvia are nothing but an act of goodwill of the Latvian authorities. According to the former deputy (part-time architect), if the Latvian political figures in power changed the law, then non-citizens, quote: "... with the same success can be expelled." Kirshteins also noted that the practice of expelling whole nations is quite normal for the European Union (here, it turns out, how ...). At the same time, Mr. Ex-deputies even gave an example: expulsion of the Gypsies ...

One of the leitmotifs of political activity in the Seimas of the Deputy Kirsteins was the promotion of the idea of ​​the “Russian occupation of Latvia. At the same time, Alexander Kirshteyns somewhat overlooked the fact that if it were not for the "occupation", then he would not have been in this world at all, because he is the son of the Latvian communist activist Karlis Kirshteins and born in Russia by the name of Slivkin. Moreover, in the initial birth certificate of mister Kirsteins there was “Alexander Slivkin”. So, maybe, as the classic said “Necha to blame the mirror ...”

Unfortunately, so far in the same Latvia there are quite a few “kirsteins” who have already left politics, and those who remain in it. However, despite their total number, all their worthless attempts in terms of rewriting the history of the past of Latvia look frankly ridiculous. And for now, apparently, their entire political struggle is a struggle with memory and a desire to extend total historical amnesia to the entire Latvian state. But let them know that historical amnesia is easily treated ...
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  1. Canep
    Canep 10 May 2013 07: 09 New
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    I won’t be surprised if they demolish it and put a monument to the Latvians from the 15 and 19 SS divisions of the Latvian volunteer legion in its place. The way they think about the reaction of Russia and the rest of the world is not this blasphemy.
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 10 May 2013 07: 37 New
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      It’s just that you need to treat zaats from the Baltic states with the help of strikes with a forged berets to the greedy woman! In another way, in these zadro.tov history, the brain never turns on.
      1. tttttt
        tttttt 10 May 2013 09: 38 New
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        The Baltic people seem to be good nations, not lazy, hard workers. But damn what they turned into, scary to watch. Corrupted to impossibility, stupefied to the brim, intellect "0", do not want to listen to morality and morality. Fully manipulated herd. Look at that one of them, this is what the Russian people are leading us to. Watch it! The most obvious example.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 May 2013 12: 08 New
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          tttttt hi

          Quote: tttttt
          The Baltic people seem to be good nations, not lazy, hard workers. But damn what they turned into, scary to watch.


          basically they stayed like that.


          Quote: tttttt
          Corrupted to impossibility, stupefied to the brim, intellect "0", do not want to listen to morality and morality. Fully manipulated herd.


          Well, not everything is so sad, now almost all over the globe with the political elite, trouble is, but this does not mean that humanity is buzzing.

        2. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 10 May 2013 14: 57 New
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          Quote: tttttt
          The Baltic people seem to be good nations, not lazy, hard workers. But damn what they turned into, scary to watch. Corrupted to impossibility, stupefied to the brim, intellect "0", do not want to listen to morality and morality. Fully manipulated herd.

          Why only the Balts? And in the Russian Federation, what is happening, and in Ukraine. Only GDP began to seem to raise the patriotism of its people, but only very slowly.
          1. sscha
            sscha 11 May 2013 11: 30 New
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            Once again confirmation that there is no "bad" nation or nationality - there are separate "individuals".
            Another thing is who is “at the helm” in the state!
            I do not consider it necessary to further develop my thought - everything is clear to everyone. hi
            HAPPY VICTORY OF ALL !!!! drinks
        3. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 11 May 2013 02: 18 New
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          Quote: Sakhalininets
          It’s just that you need to treat zaats from the Baltic states with the help of strikes with a forged berets to the greedy woman! In another way, in these zadro.tov history, the brain never turns on.

          Quote: tttttt
          The Baltic people seem to be good nations, not lazy, hard workers. But damn what they turned into, scary to watch.

          I have already cited excerpts from an interview with Arnold Mary (By the way, I tried to drop it on “VO” - it didn’t pass moderation. It seems to me because I’m not restrained in hooray-patriotic colors). So, it explains a lot ...
          So, I’ll repeat it again ..
          Mary Arnold Konstantinovich is the first Estonian to be awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union during the war years.
          In 1939, he went into active service in the Estonian army. Just in that year, the so-called mutual assistance agreement was signed, actually imposed Moscow to Tallinn, and under this agreement a “limited contingent” of the Red Army was introduced into Estonia. Mary does not agree with those who consider the accession of the Baltic countries to the USSR voluntary, nor with those who call this occupation. He is sure that in this situation, little Estonia simply had no other historical choice - either with Stalin or with Hitler. But the Germans for six hundred years of their domination here could not stand.
          We will not get involved in this debate, which today seems to be purely terminological. Occupation, voluntary accession, historical choice - this is not the point, but that in less than a year since July 40, Stalin The NKVD has done such a thing here.that in June of the 41, the Estonian people, historically really not fond of the German "barons", for the most part took their side, deploying bayonets against the Red Army. The Soviet authorities forced themselves to “love” so much that the Estonians vividly forgot about the 600-year dominance of the Germans and overwhelmingly welcomed their return. And this Mary does not deny, because he saw with his own eyes. And so, as we know, he did not accept the Soviet regime, having to submit to it after the end of the war, but at the first opportunity, 46 years later, getting rid of it.
          But all this became apparent later, and then, in June of the 1940 of the year, I have no doubt, there were many people in Estonia who, like Mary, “sympathetically met revolutionary events” (a phrase from his autobiography).
          A week before the start of the war, the first mass deportation of the local population was carried out in Estonia. Eleven thousand innocent people - representatives of the political and intellectual elite, the big and middle bourgeoisie and members of their families - traveled to Siberia overnight. Without trial and investigation, the NKVD trucks just drove up to their houses, an order was presented, an hour for training, and a long journey for many years. And, as a result of these repressions and deportations, only, for example, in the 22th Red Army territorial rifle corps formed on the basis of the Estonian bourgeois army, in which he fought, several weeks after the outbreak of the war, of eight thousand Estonians left 610. Everyone else went over to the Germans. And that is a fact.

          http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/1354/
          http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/2798/
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 11 May 2013 02: 28 New
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            Quote: Alibekulu
            in less than a year since July 40th, the Stalinist NKVD here did such that in June of the 41st, the Estonian people, who historically really did not like the German "barons", for the most part took their side, deploying bayonets against the Red Army .
            “We are told that about 1940 people were executed in Estonia in 1941-2000. However, according to detailed statistics published by the Russian historian Oleg Mozokhin on the repressive activities of the Soviet state security organs, 1940 people were sentenced to death in 1863 throughout the Soviet Union. In 1941 in the year the number of people sentenced to the highest degree increased to 23, of which only 786 were executed for political reasons, and most of the death sentences were imposed after the outbreak of World War II. After simple calculations, we find that during the year of the "first Soviet occupation of Estonia" (from June 1940 to June 1941), two to three thousand people were executed in the entire immense Union. Are they all Estonians?
            The thought suggests itself that these figures are, to put it mildly, unreliable.
            Estonian historians seem to understand this. This is evidenced by the fact that in the already mentioned collective work “Overview of the period of occupation”, in addition to the ritual figures of the 1950 shot, we can find much more plausible data. The authors of the Survey note that the death sentences in Estonia in 1940-1941. They were submitted not by civilian courts, but by military tribunals - first by the tribunal of the Leningrad military district, and then by the tribunal of the NKVD troops of the Baltic region. At the same time, the prosecutor's office sent the cases, together with the sentences of punishment, to the tribunals and to the Special Meeting of the NKVD of the USSR at the same time. In total, "in 1940-1941. the special tribunals in Estonia sentenced at least 300 people to death, about half of them before the start of the war. ” So, according to the authors of the Review, from June 1940 to June 1941. 150 people were sentenced to death in Estonia.But whom, in fact, were Soviet military tribunals in Estonia sentenced to death? We can understand this thanks to Estonian historians, who are attached to the book published in 2006 in Tallinn "Estonia, 1940-1945" published a fairly detailed, although, of course, incomplete "list of persons sentenced to death by Soviet tribunals." They did this in order to once again demonstrate the crimes of the Soviet "occupation" authorities - and the result was the exact opposite. Here are two Estonians sentenced on December 11, 1940 to capital punishment by the military tribunal of PribOVO - Alexander Pilter and Velo Vesiloo. Both were born in 1919, both served in the 22nd Estonian territorial corps of the Red Army, but they deserted from it and tried to escape to Finland. Arved Laane, commander of the 42nd Rifle Regiment of the 22nd Estonian Corps. He stole state money (5000 kroons), tried to hide with them, but was arrested in a restaurant. Peter Taranado, a former officer of the tsarist army, after the revolution - commander of the 2nd Petrograd regiment of the Red Army. He sided with the whites, fought in the army of General Yudenich, in Estonia he collaborated with the local political police, and during the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940. going to go to Finland to fight the Bolsheviks. Evald Madisson, secret agent of the Estonian secret police, and after Estonia joined the Soviet Union, he was a secret officer of the NKVD. Naturally, he concealed that he served in the secret police from the leadership of the NKVD; in addition, he transmitted misinformation to his superiors.http://old.win.ru/Mysteries-of-History/4941.phtml
            1. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 11 May 2013 02: 41 New
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              Quote: Kaa
              Estonian historians

              What I quoted above in my commentary is extracts from articles by Leonid VELEKHOV written based on an interview with Arnold Mary. Published in the newspaper "Top Secret" Links, I cited .. read ..
              1. Kaa
                Kaa 11 May 2013 02: 56 New
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                Quote: Alibekulu
                Published in the Top Secret newspaper
                ON THIS YELLOW NEWSPAPER ONLY TURN THE HEADS FROM THE TULIKA, AND GREAT - THE LIBEROID COMMENTATOR, THAT IS THE 5TH COLUMN, SO Dismiss ...
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 11 May 2013 03: 51 New
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                  Kaa request I'm on afig ---
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              3. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 11 May 2013 03: 59 New
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                Quote: Alibekulu
                What I quoted above in my comment


                Let's meet winkthere are a bunch of questions.
              4. tttttt
                tttttt 11 May 2013 11: 40 New
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                quote
                Quote: Alibekulu
                Quote: Kaa
                Estonian historians

                What I quoted above in my commentary is extracts from articles by Leonid VELEKHOV written based on an interview with Arnold Mary. Published in the newspaper "Top Secret" Links, I cited .. read ..


                As you know, something is also written on the fence - and behind the fence there is firewood ...
          2. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 11 May 2013 02: 32 New
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            At the same time, there was an active cooperation between Estonians and Nazis, and participation in punitive actions, which the population of the Baltic countries has shown to the world, in particular, Estonians, must still be sought.
            Yes, what is cooperation there - another question, who helped whom, local punishers to the Nazis or Nazis to them, such was the activity "on the ground", such a hunt was conducted for Jews, for communists, for their family members, for everyone who just had time for their misfortune to work in Soviet institutions for an incomplete year of Soviet power. With particular cruelty they dealt with the so-called "New Land" - those compatriots who received allotments from the Soviet government due to the land nationalized by large owners on the eve of the war. They stuffed people into the throat of the earth until they suffocated, ripped up the stomachs of pregnant women and covered it with earth - they say, they wanted zemstvos, get plenty ...
            There were so many Estonian punishers and they were so active that they did not have enough of their small country - they left a memory in Lithuania, Belarus, the Pskov region, in the Leningrad region ...
            Konstantin Simonov: - "The most important thing ... the approach to history is tough and at the same time fair ... history ... what it is, with both sweet and bitter."
            Why am I ... Just sometimes, I think, it should be looked at from the other side, from a different point of view .. this may give a more complete picture of what happened .. Although, of course, it is much easier to be guided by usual cliches, templates, ideological settings and slogans ..
            Best regards hi
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          3. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 11 May 2013 02: 44 New
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            Quote: Alibekulu
            We will not get involved in this debate, which today seems to be purely terminological. The occupation, voluntary accession, historical choice - this is not the point, but that in less than a year since July 40, the Stalinist NKVD has done such a thing here that in June of the 41st, the Estonian people, historically really did not like German "Barons", for the most part, stood on their side, deploying bayonets against the Red Army. The Soviet authorities forced themselves to “love” so much that the Estonians vividly forgot about the 600-year-old dominance of the Germans and overwhelmingly welcomed their return. And this Mary does not deny, because he saw with his own eyes


            Dear Friend, if you are trying to offend the memory of a person who cannot answer you because he is dead, contact me bully I can show you reasonably (how many Estonians after the partition decided to change their fate and return both to the territory of the USSR and to the territory of the Reich, which happened on the territories occupied by Soviet troops and the Reich troops, I can explain to you where the forest brothers came from when the fact that Stalin ate everyone alive and where did the Baltic regiments and battalions participating in punitive actions in the Leningrad and Pskov regions come from), or physically explain if you do not understand the logical arguments request .

            again - I declare directly:
            - I can logically knock on your skull to show that under the genocide of the Estonian people, the heroic subspecies of the Estonian corps as part of the Red Army would be IMPOSSIBLE!

            OR I can knock physically no if intellectual arguments do not pass through your frontal bone (my tsuki will pass wink ).


            Quote: Alibekulu
            A week before the start of the war, the first mass deportation of the local population was carried out in Estonia. Eleven thousand innocent people - representatives of the political and intellectual elite, the big and middle bourgeoisie and members of their families - traveled to Siberia overnight. Without trial and investigation, the NKVD trucks just drove up to their houses, an order was presented, an hour for training, and a long journey for many years.


            Dear friend, do you know the number of people sent by the Germans during the preparation for the attack on my homeland? (I am not in vain saying: - to my Homeland, because the Homeland is different with you)?
            1. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 11 May 2013 03: 17 New
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              Quote: Karlsonn
              Dear Friend, if you are trying to insult the memory of a person who cannot answer you because he died -

              For especially smart, I will repeat
              What I quoted above in my commentary is excerpts from articles by Leonid VELEKHOV written based on interviews Arnold Mary. Published in the newspaper "Top Secret" Links, I brought .. read ..

              http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/1354/
              http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/2798/
              knock on your skull

              Knock yourself fool
              THIS YELLOW NEWSPAPER IS ONLY TURNING THE HEADS FROM TULYK, AND VELEKHOV IS A LIBEROUS COMMENTATOR

              The cool position is a win-win, those with whom I do not agree to call names .. these yellow ones, that liberoid ..
              As I understand it, everyone around is fools, and you alone are smart and wearing a cap? laughing
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 11 May 2013 03: 43 New
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                Quote: Alibekulu
                For especially smart, I will repeat


                -If you are dumb and have not read the logic tutorial, this is your problem.
                - if you are illiterate and do not know how to analyze historical documents this is your problem.
                - if you do not own material on the Baltic states of 1939-1945, this is your problem.
                --- but if you want to denigrate the name of the Hero of the Soviet Union Arnold Mary - I officially challenge you bully I will physically destroy you soldier , although most likely you will meet me for pissing, because people like you are --- "HOW YOU" LINKS.

                in PM I will give a phone, address, meeting and organize a room, a notary public, a doctor and the presence of a representative of law enforcement agencies.

                mail for the honor of craving for the man who was obscuring the Hero of the USSR - to whom the world of mine liber friend!
                1. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 11 May 2013 12: 32 New
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                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  -If you are dumb and have not read the logic tutorial, this is your problem.
                  Himself stupid ... Have you even held it in your hands, wise guy ??!
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  - if you are illiterate and do not know how to analyze historical documents this is your problem.

                  Illiterate himself .. oops, as I understand it, to analyze - this is the "burden of a white man" ??!
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  if you want to denigrate the name of Hero of the Soviet Union Arnold Mary

                  Where? When? I denigrated him ?!
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  although most likely you will meet with me for pissing, because people like you --- "HOW YOU" LINKS.

                  Why "LINKS" .. I already crap belay .. wink
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  in PM I will give a phone, address, meeting and organize a room, a notary public, a doctor and the presence of a representative of law enforcement agencies.
                  No problem .. Come .. To meet .. I’ll give the phone too ..
                  (Let your family say goodbye crying ?!)
              2. Kaa
                Kaa 11 May 2013 05: 05 New
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                Quote: Alibekulu
                and you alone - smart and wearing a cap?
                You will poke (anywhere) Velekhov, or maybe he will, for the fact that you arbitrarily threw very important fragments from his article, so you have to return them: "In June 1940, I have no doubt, there were a lot of people in Estonia, who, like Mary, “sympathetically met revolutionary events” (a phrase from his autobiography). He himself took an active part in organizing the Estonian Komsomol (he finally asked for a charter from a Red Army soldier), was elected the 40th member of the Tallinn Komsomol in July, and then returned to serve in the military service. He met the beginning of the war as an assistant political commander of the training company. It is significant that the early morning of June 22 found the political instructor painting the next kayak. So, with a brush in his hands, a student of the former deputy of the State Duma Shulgin regarding the construction of kayaks and listened to the news of the attack of Nazi Germany. To my question Arnold Konstantinovich sincerely replies that he received this news “with a sigh of relief”: the period of ambiguity and uncertainty has ended. As for the ambiguity, this is about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact: the outbreak of war between Germany and the USSR disavowed this ambiguous (to put it mildly) document, turning two dictators, Hitler and Stalin, from allies into opponents. But I think (I emphasize, this is my pure speculation) that a sigh of relief escaped from the chest of political instructor Mary on June 22, 1941, also because the situation inside Estonia itself was becoming more and more “ambiguous” and the start of the war somehow cut the ever-tightening knot of contradictions. Among the thousands of deported families was the family of George Meri, paternal uncle Arnold, a major diplomat in bourgeois Estonia. In addition to his uncle and his wife, their two young sons, Lennart and Indrek, went to Siberia. Fifty years later, Lennart was to become the first president of post-Soviet independent Estonia.
                Political instructor Mary learned about the expulsion of Uncle Georges’s family, as Georg Mary was called in the family, after June 22, and therefore, in his own words, did not take the event particularly acutely. Even, as he admits, he took it for granted at that time: the enemy was on the Estonian border and the republic needed to be cleared of the potential “fifth column”. And there was no special relationship between the families of the Mary brothers. Uncle Georges Arnold saw before the war the only time he came to congratulate his father on his 50th birthday. Arnold Konstantinovich himself sees the reason for this alienation in the fact that the families of the Mary brothers belonged to different classes: some were wealthy bourgeois, and the Arnold family was interrupted by casual earnings.
                Alienation has remained forever - now, of course, between the sons of Konstantin and Georges, the Hero of the Soviet Union and the first president of independent Estonia.

                Velekhov Leonid - "Bloody" Mary (Part 1) http://fondartema.com/publ/1-1-0-8
                THE LAST BUSINESS - TO PUT OUT FAVORABLE PHRASES FROM THE CONTEXT TO DAMAGE THE NAME OF THE HERO OF THE SOVIET UNION. But Velikhov admits that "I emphasize this is my pure speculation"THAN ALWAYS AND THE YELLOW PRESS DOES. negative
                1. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 11 May 2013 13: 08 New
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                  Quote: Kaa
                  Poke

                  Ok good Confused with your friend with a fan ..
                  Quote: Kaa
                  anywhere

                  I, as I understand it, is speculation .. are you doing this ?!
                  Quote: Kaa
                  from his article you arbitrarily threw away very important fragments, so you have to return them: THE LAST CASE - TURNING OUT GOOD PHRASES FROM THE CONTEXT

                  I will quote, i.e. I repeat once again from my above comment:
                  Today, 02: 41 ↑ What I quoted above in my comment is excerpts from articles by Leonid VELEKHOV

                  I didn’t throw it away, much less arbitrarily .. no
                  About pulling out - in kamenty, the number of words is limited .. again I repeat:
                  Today, 02: 18 ↑ "IN" tried to throw - moderation failed

                  Those. if dear moderators published this article, it would have been given in full ....
                  And you always use the phrase "I emphasize, this is my pure speculation" So, I’ve always quoted to emphasize EXTRACTS from this article - and this is not speculation .. And by the way A. Velikhov "I emphasize and this is not my pure speculation"in the aforementioned article calls him - that is, A. Mary his friend .. Yes, and where? in this article the name of the hero of the Soviet Union is MISTERED ?? !!
                  1. Alibekulu
                    Alibekulu 11 May 2013 13: 10 New
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                    A VELEKHOV - LIBEROID COMMENTATOR,

                    You accused me of taking phrases out of context .. So, why didn’t you give the opinion of MOST A GREATER about this situation in the Baltics ?!
                    those. do what you reproach me for yourself request
                    Quote: Kaa
                    from his article you arbitrarily threw very important fragments, so you have to return them:

                    “Of course, there was genocide in Estonia. Only Arnold Konstantinovich Mary had nothing to do with it.
                    Someone recently asked me why I take an unpopular position in the liberal environment in relation to the Baltic states, in particular, Estonia, which I write about more often than other Baltic countries. My position is simple: a country where the Nazis are respected, monuments are set for them, and ceremonial albums about their crimes, interpreted as feats, lie on the windows of bookstores, and have nothing to do with the civilized community. Even if according to some formal signs - the cleanliness of the streets and the size of inflation - it meets the criteria of this community. In a country where anti-fascists are being persecuted and brought to trial, accusing them of crimes that their enemies, who have now become national heroes, actually committed, something is amiss. Something is dislocated there, sorry for two consecutive plagiarism at Shakespeare. But I do not lose hope that this dislocation is only in the brains of modern local politicians. "

                    And which of us is engaged in tearing out profitable phrases out of context ?! fool
      2. Vladimir 23rus
        Vladimir 23rus 31 May 2013 15: 20 New
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        It will not help them. Before berets once .... to fall.))))
    2. vadimus
      vadimus 10 May 2013 08: 30 New
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      Lisobud even after Germany recognized its defeat ... Continuous Baltic complexes ....
    3. fokino1980
      fokino1980 12 May 2013 15: 33 New
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      Do not worry, Geysoyuz will remain silent, as always.
  2. domokl
    domokl 10 May 2013 07: 10 New
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    Alas, the treatment of amnesia in Latvia is difficult and painful .. By the way, yesterday, looking at the military parade in Moscow, I realized that the Russian army was behind the Latvian ... They didn’t show us rubber boats laughing So the Latvian Navy now has such vessels that are not in Russia laughing
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 10 May 2013 07: 38 New
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      And the Esho did not burn the scary khruzovykof with bullets ... laughing
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 10 May 2013 17: 12 New
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        This hunter reminds me very much of Baltic politicians who think that it is possible to insult people's shrines and monuments with impunity!
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 10 May 2013 09: 06 New
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      Quote: domokl
      So the Latvian Navy now has such vessels that are not in Russia

      And the Latvian 2 tanks, looking at the TV set, quietly cried in the stall ...
      1. botur
        botur 10 May 2013 10: 21 New
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        Quote: retired
        And the Latvian 2 tanks, looking at the TV set, cried quietly in the stall.

        So they just do not interfere in the telly. lol
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 10 May 2013 10: 34 New
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          Quote: botur
          So they just do not interfere in the telly.

          Eat less! (Sprat at night)
    3. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 May 2013 11: 57 New
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      domokl hi

      Quote: domokl
      So the Latvian Navy now has such vessels that are not in Russia


      but Russia is the only country in the world in which there are private aircraft carriers fellow , I’ll save up diesel, crackers, cannabis and alcohol on the tank, dig up thirty boxes of “privatized” pomegranates and --- swing from the “Greeks to the Vikings”.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 10 May 2013 17: 01 New
        -1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        but Russia is the only country in the world in which there are private aircraft carriers

        Weak photoshop.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 May 2013 18: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Weak photoshop.

          stop wait, you have already come out.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 10 May 2013 18: 15 New
            +2
            pah, we’ve left, I'm sorry.
    4. kush62
      kush62 10 May 2013 16: 46 New
      +3
      HC HOUSES. THE LAST YEARS I OPENED A GARAGE AND SORELI 2 UFIM BOATS. Explicitly Latvian Trail. I WILL WRITE TO THE UN.
  3. fenix57
    fenix57 10 May 2013 07: 18 New
    +5
    Do not rewrite history - it's time for the supporters of the "Russian occupation of Latvia" to collect gadgets and geyropu. Time has shown that their attempts are in vain. hi
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 May 2013 12: 34 New
      11
      fenix57 hi

      Quote: fenix57
      Time has shown that their attempts are in vain.


      one epic grandfather zarulit in the minus a few hundred Vyaa-a-a-scarlet Nazis.

  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 May 2013 07: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Canep
    I won’t be surprised if they demolish it and put a monument to the Latvians from the 15 and 19 SS divisions of the Latvian volunteer legion in its place. The way they think about the reaction of Russia and the rest of the world is not this blasphemy.

    They will be delivered to these SS men. And other gentlemen think for them, those who patronize.
  5. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 10 May 2013 07: 53 New
    +5
    How in general do their tongues turn to call Soviet soldiers occupiers?
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 10 May 2013 08: 48 New
      +8
      Quote: nikolas 83
      How in general do their tongues turn to call Soviet soldiers occupiers?

      "turns of the tongue" among Courland politicians are achieved by persistent exercises in licking gay gay European asses, and of course, a special exercise is licking a star-striped zopa.
    2. Net
      Net 10 May 2013 13: 53 New
      +5
      Yes, these are all right, I’m more interested in how Dmitry Anatolyevich dares call them "colleagues"
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 10 May 2013 14: 58 New
        0
        The iPhone’s language is very agile! lol
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 10 May 2013 07: 55 New
    10
    The country's leadership cuts the branch on which it sits. After all, non-citizens are essentially the fifth column created artificially by the country's leadership. After all, even the most successful and wealthy person the stigma of “non-citizen” forces you to fight with the existing order ...
  7. 123tank
    123tank 10 May 2013 07: 57 New
    0
    Slivkina must be declared persona non grata /
  8. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 10 May 2013 08: 22 New
    13
    Estonia May 9, 2013
  9. individual
    individual 10 May 2013 08: 24 New
    +8
    What do these fighters want to show with the results of the Great Patriotic War. A country at the margins of Europe that does not mean anything at all, either in politics or in the economy, reminds itself in order to get out of oblivion and show the harassing Russophobes geyrops their “dubious professional suitability” to confront history. Sahak also blew up a monument in Kutaisi, also for this reason. Now the people of Georgia are "blowing up" Sahak himself.
    Boomerang is back.
  10. Humpty
    Humpty 10 May 2013 08: 39 New
    17
    A doctor who treats amnesia.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 10 May 2013 10: 37 New
      +8
      Quote: Humpty
      A doctor who treats amnesia.

      !!!
      The doctor is inside (a whole emergency team). This is his robe.
      1. Alew
        Alew 10 May 2013 13: 05 New
        +2
        [/ Quote]
        This is his robe. [/ Quote] Normally, an ambulance with exacerbating shit democracy
    2. karbofos
      karbofos 10 May 2013 14: 15 New
      0
      And this is a sister. She will assist the doctor.
    3. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 May 2013 02: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Humpty
      A doctor who treats amnesia.


      comrade, I’m not a tanker (I’m cutting into "tanks" of course), but take him to treat him:



      highly recommend.
  11. pensioner
    pensioner 10 May 2013 08: 59 New
    +5
    Moreover, every year in Latvia, the influence of those public organizations that defend the honor and dignity of Soviet veterans is growing.
    Well done.
  12. shinobi
    shinobi 10 May 2013 09: 09 New
    +5
    Gentlemen have forgotten the simple truth. The people who deny their history have no future and are doomed to repeat it.
  13. lambert
    lambert 10 May 2013 09: 40 New
    +2
    Frantic is everywhere, but the people stupefied by frantic late begins to understand where they are leading him. Many should remember the phrase - "having heard the speech of the Secretary General, I woke up national identity." And this must be understood directly - I realized that I will not be anything. Now this is happening. To my regret, in Latvia there are already few people of the current age who remember how WAS in Latvia under the Soviet regime. In addition, some people like European citizenship very much - you can go to work in Ireland to work there as a janitor. Salary as in Moscow. And so you go around Riga only signs in Latvian, cars are almost the same with Russian numbers and heaps of Russian tourists.
    1. krisostomus
      krisostomus 11 May 2013 18: 15 New
      -2
      Well, a more "frantic" public than the vast majority of commentators on this site did not have to meet. A kind of mixture of traditional Russian chauvinistic imperialism with North Korean fanaticism and about the same performance.
      Well, as for European citizenship, it’s not for some, but most people like it even if only because you can freely go without asking for permission from the district committee with a special and without a “snitch” on the tail. And it’s completely incomprehensible to be proud of that a janitor in Ireland earns more than a teacher with many years of experience in the Pskov region. Here everyone is talking about the boomerang, so he has already returned to you. You just need to remove the pink glasses.
      1. Alew
        Alew 12 May 2013 10: 17 New
        +3
        I don’t like the site, well, go from here to your trolleybus park, you’ll answer us for the monument
  14. Snoop
    Snoop 10 May 2013 09: 51 New
    0
    We need to become like the Yankees))) Violation of rights, the Nazi regime and bring the long-awaited democracy and freedom to the Estonians)))
  15. Stas57
    Stas57 10 May 2013 11: 24 New
    +4
    you can cry, laugh, and swear as much as you like ... and not eat sprats,
    and at this time, our political and economic elite are dumping loot in these Baltic bits-

    One of the leaders of the Night Watch movement made an open letter

    One of the leaders of the Night Watch movement, Maxim Reva, issued an open letter stating that the Russian state lacked any coherent policy with regard to its Baltic compatriots. “This is evident - and I have to admit it with great regret - the Russian policy is hypocritical towards Russians in the Baltic and absolutely contradictory in Europe,” says Maxim Reva. “Very often we hear from officials at various levels that they are not involved in politics. The Minister of Culture deals with culture, the economy with economics, the Foreign Ministry with diplomacy. And who is involved in politics? Who opposes the ethnocultural genocide of Russians in the EU? ”The activist of the Russian-speaking movement in Estonia asks a reasonable question.

    Read more: http://www.km.ru/news/rossijskaya_vlast_predaet_russki
  16. Alew
    Alew 10 May 2013 12: 22 New
    +7
    Regarding the demolition of the monument In the 90s they already wanted to demolish a golf course there but it didn’t work out. Now every year more and more young people and Latvians and Russians and others come. People go all day. Families come and take pictures. Veterans meet in bistros. friendly atmosphere of police detentions of sober people is not enough this year around 10 and in the evening a festive salute. Well, about the bad. This memorial is for these American puppets of the powerful rummaging hotspots of the opposition. And they won’t give citizenship for the trivial reason to continue to be in power and to get rich and if some sort of mess they all flee to the west. Many of them insist on the occupation. It is interesting that the Latvian red arrows on the territory of the Russian Empire actively imposed this “occupation” with big blood. I remember how they walked around Riga proudly hung with medals and it was an honor. Latvians in families have one brother who fought for Germany, another for the USSR and there are many. And if there was an occupation, then there were collaborators under the occupiers educated, occupied by the occupational state security, held large posts under the occupiers and married beautiful occupiers and got rich due to the occupation infrastructure and are still cutting money from residential buildings built during the occupation period Khrushchev brezhnevok Lithuanian series 60 series 119 series 467 series 605 and so on. If history had gone a different way earlier, those in power would not have been born, and even their parents would not have met if they had been born, not the fact that they were not farm laborers. Here is such an obscure theater. Then I saw a meeting with the American ambassador on Channel 105, well, a professional balabon brought about some achievements in Latvia. The EU NATO spoke about the economy casually and at the end blurted out about the labor force from Latvia after shaking hands with the TV presenter Andryusha M. Now we know who we are Latvia. At the everyday level of ethnic hatred between Latvians and Russians, there are no people among themselves, they are friends, they marry and they all criticize the powerful, but here it’s all arranged for someone not to vote, people oriented toward the West will come to power anyway PS I think that if you don’t demolish the monument in the 5s, do it now chances are much less. Once again CONGRATULATIONS ON ALL VICTORY DAY !!!
  17. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 10 May 2013 12: 25 New
    +4
    If our ruling elite had at least a little patriotism, real, and not a box on holidays, then any show off of the Baltic states would be followed by a powerful kick under their liberal ass! But this requires political will, but it does not exist, everything is decided by Mr. Dollar or Euro! Until the real patriots appear in power who say bluntly - you will rewrite history, you will get snot, veterans and not only they will have to quietly wipe away tears from impotent resentment!
  18. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 10 May 2013 12: 37 New
    0
    I wonder what kind of question do I think Jews from Israel? Of course they are all different, they consider all other nations goyim, but it seems to me that the Nazis are hated the most.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 10 May 2013 17: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Fibrizio
      I wonder what kind of question do I think Jews from Israel?

      Apparently, they think as convenient at the moment.
  19. Odissey
    Odissey 10 May 2013 12: 40 New
    +5
    It is worth noting that the Latvians made a very large contribution to the defeat of the enemy. It is enough to mention here just one defense of the city of Liepaja, which has become a real Latvian Brest Fortress. For a whole week (although the Germans had hoped to take the city on the second day), parts of the spacecraft, together with a militia from local residents, detained one of the shock divisions of the Wehrmacht, inflicting serious losses on it.
    And after all, in this war there were Latvian national formations in the KA, many Latvians served in ordinary units, were among the top command leadership of the KA, more than a dozen representatives of this nationality became Heroes of the Soviet Union. Not really a small contribution ...
    It is sad that the modern Latvian state does not need such heroic pages of history. Not included in the fictitious ideology of "unbearable occupation."
  20. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 10 May 2013 12: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Old Warrant Officer
    If our ruling elite had at least a little patriotism, real, and not a box on holidays, then any show off of the Baltic states would be followed by a powerful kick under their liberal ass! But this requires political will, but it does not exist, everything is decided by Mr. Dollar or Euro! Until the real patriots appear in power who say bluntly - you will rewrite history, you will get snot, veterans and not only they will have to quietly wipe away tears from impotent resentment!


    Yes, one of them recently wanted to cooperate with us. For the transit of goods like. But as far as I know, we ignored him. So they pay with a coin. Well, yes, they also have our smuggling business. It’s a joke to say how much they cost in Europe. For whitefish on average, you can’t shoot.
  21. Warrawar
    Warrawar 10 May 2013 13: 30 New
    +2
    Time will put everything in its place - the Baltic is a region that has no future. The population of all three "Baltic tigers" is 2 times less than one of Moscow, plus there is a rapid decline in this small population, over the years of "independence" the decline was 30-40%.
  22. ABV
    ABV 10 May 2013 14: 46 New
    0
    countries that live not by development, but by hatred of their neighbors have no future.
    it would seem possible to laugh - the Balts and Poles, apparently they can’t even eat quietly, while Russia is alive ... but only the Russians live there, who really feel sorry ... and nobody wants to save them, nobody needs them here, to unfortunately
  23. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 10 May 2013 15: 04 New
    0
    On all anti-Soviet, anti-Russian attacks of such states - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Government of the Russian Federation MUST RESPONSE HARDLY, and not protest (breaking diplomatic relations, economic sanctions, dumping of goods, etc.)! This is the only way to put on a historical place like!
  24. simplekss
    simplekss 10 May 2013 17: 06 New
    0
    The President of Latvia Andris Berzins did not support the idea of ​​the All-Latvia party represented in the government of the Baltic country, demanding that the Monument to the Liberators in Riga be demolished.
    Source: VZ.ru

    “This is unacceptable,” RIA Novosti reports referring to Berzins interview with the Uncensored program on REN TV Baltija.

    The head of state also said that he sees nothing wrong with the fact that Red Army veterans or their relatives agree to mark the end of World War II in Europe not on May 8, but on May 9. “The fact that these two hours differ in time zones does not detract from this event. There was a victory of the Allies over the regime of Nazi Germany. This is an important event, and it remains so, ”Berzins said.

    Previously, the All-Latvia party, a member of the Latvian government, declared the need to demolish the monument to the Liberation Warriors in Riga. Latvian Minister of Defense Artis Pabriks also believes that the monument is outdated and deserves demolition.

    Recall that in the Baltic States, known for the numerous cases of the glorification of fascism, they are forced to celebrate the holiday unofficially. The end of World War II in these countries, as well as in foreign Europe, is celebrated on May 8, and not on the 9th.

    So, on the eve of the official level, wreaths were laid at the Maaryamäe memorial complex in Tallinn, where there are monuments next to those who fought for the SS and those who were for the USSR. Also, on behalf of the President of Latvia Andris Berzins, wreaths were laid at the Lestensky cemetery, where the Latvian SS legionaries were buried and at the Bratskoye cemetery in Dobele, where the soldiers of the Soviet army are buried.

    On May 9, Russian diplomats in Tallinn laid wreaths and flowers at a military cemetery at the foot of the monument to the Liberator Soldier, also known as the Bronze Soldier.


    The majority, or 79% of residents of Riga, believe that the monument to the liberators of Riga in Victory Park in Pardaugava should be preserved, according to a survey conducted by the SKDS Public Opinion Research Center commissioned by the Riga City Council.


    For the preservation and restoration of the Victory Monument, 70% of Latvian citizens and 97,5% of stateless respondents spoke in favor.

    13,6% of respondents believe that the monument should be demolished, and 51% think that it should be preserved in its current form. 28% of respondents favored the restoration of the monument.

    Much more often, the preservation of the monument was supported by people who spoke Russian in everyday life. 54% of Latvian families favored its preservation, including 11,4% believe that the monument should be restored, and 46,2% should be preserved in its current state.

    In Russian families, 96,3% of the respondents spoke for the preservation of the monument, including 38,9% for the restoration of the monument, and 57,4% for the preservation of the monument in its current form.

    The survey involved 800 residents of Riga.


    and the article is weak, surprisingly, by its superficiality, which is not characteristic of the author ..
  25. foxhound
    foxhound 10 May 2013 17: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    It’s just that you need to treat zaats from the Baltic states with the help of strikes with a forged berets to the greedy woman! In another way, in these zadro.tov history, the brain never turns on.

    just do not confuse ordinary people with the elite. common people treat Russians normally. some say that when they were Russians, they (Russians) were interested in the creative part of the people, they went to their (Latvian) theaters ... And now everything is different, they are needed only as a buffer country, which can be shown to the whole world and say "look, what did these Russians do! " but what exactly did they do ?! With difficulty, but tried to integrate Them into their economy ...
  26. darksoul
    darksoul 10 May 2013 18: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Canep
    I won’t be surprised if they demolish it and put a monument to the Latvians from the 15th and 19th SS divisions in its place.



    the Sejm is already discussing ... the demolition and creation of a museum of occupation at this place ... the lions and Ivano Frankivsk went further ... they wanted to declare May 9 a day of mourning

    I would offer them somewhere in one place to concentrate and mourn the SS and those who cut their grandfathers and compatriots, it will be easier for genetic deb .. for them to be together ... and for us and the veterans these will be ... l .. if they look less masaz. ..so it's useless to explain something ... you have to take and hit in the face until you understand where the occupier is and where the liberator
  27. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 10 May 2013 20: 04 New
    0
    What kind of people are they, like bulls anyway - is it that the red color of Victory's eyes is mazolit?
    Let the Demon shooting range be cozy (make it more comfortable for demons), they will take them for gills, scumbags.
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    2. YuDDP
      YuDDP 10 May 2013 23: 22 New
      +3
      Close ending
  28. Ulysses
    Ulysses 10 May 2013 20: 34 New
    +4
    No, but it’s impossible to look like that without tears. laughing
    1. apiarian1
      apiarian1 11 May 2013 07: 23 New
      0
      Indeed, he laughed to tears.
    2. Drejk
      Drejk 11 May 2013 11: 37 New
      +2
      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Kill me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At the parade, police college students))))))))))))))))))))) Powerful technique))))) They still do not have enough carts and then the Baltic states can generally sleep peacefully))))) There are as many 3 tanks))) They didn’t take them off the paddlers))) Thank you to the circus for the author, I haven’t laughed for so long))))) ATVs, boats, snowmobiles - you still need dog teams to the border guards and border guards and no one will cross the border-- ---- right on the border with laughter fall)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
      1. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 13 May 2013 04: 36 New
        0
        But after all, those who stand on the platform BELIEVE in all these comments, and stand looking at this parody of the parade with serious faces.
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  29. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 10 May 2013 20: 39 New
    +5
    just this parade recalled dear comrade domokl at the beginning of the discussion.

    Quote: domokl
    By the way, yesterday, looking at the military parade in Moscow, I realized that the Russian army is behind the Latvian ... We didn’t show the rubber boats

    good
    1. Hariva
      Hariva 10 May 2013 22: 44 New
      +2
      Pleased with the pretzel behind the scenes:
      "Powerful" trucks, "powerful" mortars, "powerful" boats ....
      Allow me! And where are the “powerful” field kitchens? :)
  30. washi
    washi 10 May 2013 21: 33 New
    0
    The Russian Federation is the successor of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR. Read international treaties. This is our territory. Why our Foreign Ministry behaves like passive homosexuals - I don’t understand.
    Where is our property abroad? This is almost the entire south of France, almost all of Jerusalem.
    Where is the gold of RI?
    Why forgive debts to other countries? With this money you can buy mines, territory.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 May 2013 23: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Vasya
      Where is our property abroad? This is almost the entire south of France, almost all of Jerusalem.
      Where is the gold of RI?
      Why forgive debts to other countries? With this money you can buy mines, territory.


      the hut did not fall wink the process is on.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 11 May 2013 01: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Karlsonn
        process goes

        Quote: Vasya
        Where is our property abroad? This is almost the entire south of France, almost all of Jerusalem.
        Where is the gold of RI?

        "Do not hope that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it’s worth playing with the Russians honestly or not at all. "
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 11 May 2013 01: 13 New
          0
          Alaska, Poland, the Baltic states, Moldova, of course, Ukraine and Belarus, and most importantly, the goal of the Russian Empire - the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus !!! We’ll come to an agreement with Korea on China wink .




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          2. Kaa
            Kaa 11 May 2013 01: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            and most importantly, the goal of the Russian Empire - the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus !!!

            There’s already experience, so it’s not the first time. "On this day, in 1833, the Russian troops landed on the Bosphorus. Ironically, against the Turks, they are against Egypt. The Egyptians retreated, and the Turks signed the Unkar-Iskeles agreement, which is quite favorable for Russia. He survived for 8 years - then the British climbed in ... The next time the Russians appeared in the Straits in early 1878, simultaneously with the English fleet and, therefore, again to no avail. Since September 1944, the 37th Soviet army stood in the south of Bulgaria - many (in t .ch. and Hitler) expected that it would occupy the Straits, but Stalin did not dare, preferring a diplomatic "run over" to Turkey after the war - a serious mistake - nothing happened, the Americans intervened.
            And how many plans existed for occupying the Straits - for 200 years, right up to the end of the Cold War - and not count!
            And although now our authorities are more interested in the unhindered passage of tankers through the Straits and in different “streams”, they remained, as before, the enemy’s path to our “soft underbelly” (in case of Iran’s collapse, the second route will be added to it - through the Caspian) - you won’t change the geography !
            The geostrategic task in this direction - ensuring the security of the country and the nation has not been fulfilled ...
            PS Yes, and access to the Mediterranean is already a maximum program 2013-04-17 13:33:00 http://historyfakts.livejournal.com/457887.html
            ON THE PHOTO - TURKISH MEDAL FOR RUSSIAN paratroopers! belay wink
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 11 May 2013 03: 06 New
              0
              Kaa friend, don’t push on the callus crying

              Quote: Kaa
              but Stalin did not dare, preferring a diplomatic “run over” to Turkey after the war - a serious mistake - nothing came of it, the Americans intervened.


              I do not agree - strongly! fool we fought with the Turks as soon as we unleashed with the Tatars and Europeans, namely, from the year 1560 and to the straits - the dream of the Russian Empire and Orthodox civilization - we could not get out only in the war of 1877-78, should I tell you about this sad , and only the angles am those who played at the Berlin process deprived us of everything am

              Quote: Kaa
              (in the event of the collapse of Iran, a second path will be added to it - through the Caspian) - you won’t change the geography!
              The geostrategic task in this direction - ensuring the security of the country and the nation has not been fulfilled ...


              strongly disagree !!! the agreement of the USSR-Russia with Iran has not been canceled by anyone! Russia is one of five countries that can veto it - I know how ridiculous it is in geopolitics, but still!



              Quote: Kaa
              “On this day in 1833, a Russian landing party landed on the Bosphorus.


              You are my friend, here you are not many trolls repeat Tipo landing and all that, in fact, as you and I know, it was the marines and it was the marines of Russia that are being undeservedly forgotten fame (in a whisper: I'm for border guards).
  31. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 10 May 2013 23: 49 New
    0
    My wife last night sat in classmates, corresponded with a school friend, he lives in Latvia, I don’t know which city, to my wife’s question that he’s sitting at the computer so late, he said that he just came from the street and watched a salute dedicated to Victory Day, I went crazy, fireworks in Latvia, we didn’t have in Vladimir .... infa for thought ...
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 May 2013 00: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
      with a school friend, he lives in Latvia, I don’t know in which city, to my wife’s question that he’s sitting at the computer so late, he said that he just came from the street and watched a firework dedicated to Victory Day, I was fucked up, fireworks in Latvia, here in Vladimir


      I am sorry for the comrade, in many cities of Ukraine there was a salute, and we have banderlogs - at least fight back with cowards, I already posted a salute in Kiev, here in Kharkov:

      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 11 May 2013 00: 05 New
        +1
        I myself grew up in the Far East and much more north, according to this I follow only these regions, here is Khabarovsk:



        filming repeat
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 11 May 2013 00: 18 New
        +1
        We even overdid Malekho ... but everything worked out, a little adrenaline after a hot holiday laughing
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 11 May 2013 00: 57 New
          0
          Kaa crying

          in Kharkov, fireworks are more beautiful and longer than in Kiev ... no

          who will not lend the tank?
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 May 2013 00: 17 New
      0
      Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
      , I fucked up, salute in Latvia, we didn’t have in Vladimir .... info for thought ...


      so if you take your armpit to your wife and come to Kiev next year, I’ll bring you to Kharkov for a salute wink
    3. simplekss
      simplekss 11 May 2013 09: 39 New
      +2
      I will tell you more .. the fireworks were not only in Riga .. I don’t know about other cities, but I personally went to Daugavpils ..
  32. sergaivenski
    sergaivenski 11 May 2013 22: 29 New
    0
    Gentlemen, leave nationalism alone !!! Anyway, this will not change anything !!! There are no and there were no good and bad
    nationalities, there are politicians who have broken through to power !! As part of the garrison of the Brest Fortress was
    400 Chechens, so what? The fortress fought surrounded by fascists when the fascists had already captured all of Belarus !!!
  33. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 12 May 2013 14: 46 New
    0
    Only an adequate response in the economy can clear the brains of Latvian nationalists in power.
  34. Free Island
    Free Island 12 May 2013 16: 09 New
    0
    in recent years, looking at all this Geyropa a very bad but very right desire has come. I would like Hitler to appear again in Geyrop, to start bombing the Great Britain, rape France, Lithuania, Latvia. That all Jews from Israel would be taken to concentration camps and that Russia would not get involved in this war this time .. maybe all these lovers to slander and turn history would remember who freed them 68 years ago from these nightmares, and maybe then would crawl to our veterans on our knees to ask for forgiveness.