Military Review

What worries conscripts in a new uniform?

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One of the most scandalous innovations of the former Minister of Defense was the military uniform. Not that this form was completely useless, but the servicemen expressed certain complaints about it. Conversations were also added by the information that Valentin Yudashkin was supposedly the designer of that “Serdyukovskoy” military uniform. Yudashkin himself admitted that he had nothing to do with that form, that his design layouts were greatly simplified, the fabrics were replaced with cheaper versions, distorting his original idea. Despite all the words of Yudashkin about his innocence to the tailoring of military uniforms, it was a joke to the people that if a young man from a poor family is going to feel for himself what fashionable men's clothingthen for that he does not need to look for money and go to a boutique, but it is worth going to the Russian army for a year.




However, after coming to the post of Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu, they decided to really figure it out. At first, specialists in military clothing collected information about military personnel who expressed their wishes regarding the new uniform, then analyzed the use of fabrics, and also carried out an experimental analysis of using the uniform in various climatic conditions. On the basis of this, valuable data were obtained, which become the theoretical basis for creating a truly high-quality military uniform.

Today, prototypes of military uniforms are tested in training. One of the recent stages of such testing was the exercise of Russian motorized riflemen in Siberia. After the first stages of the test, the servicemen stated that the new uniform is not much easier than the old one and at the same time it can be called very convenient. But even in it, significant flaws were revealed, which are to be finalized and corrected in the near future. For the time being, the main military department does not disseminate information about what flaws disturbed Siberian motorized riflemen during the exercise, but it is reported that all their wishes will be taken into account.

The manufacturer of the new form for the Russian military today is the company "BTK-groups." Its representatives say that the full form kit includes 19 items, including underwear, vests, jackets and more. This form will be guaranteed to serve for 3's. This is of some concern to conscripts. After all, it turns out that some will get a new military uniform, while others will be content with worn copies.
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  1. avant-garde
    avant-garde 8 May 2013 09: 31
    +8
    Hike the very word "military uniform" and worries!
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 8 May 2013 10: 17
      +2
      Right now, an acquaintance is serving somewhere in Ryazan in the Airborne Forces, and so from them "beluga", shorter than the type of thermal underwear, are bought by the soldiers themselves, I did not know the situation in more detail, but I don’t think it’s better in other places.
      1. Soldier
        Soldier 8 May 2013 10: 51
        +2
        Vladimir, this is when we had the Uncle Vasya’s troops, the Beluga Montana, worn? Telnik and Only vest.
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 8 May 2013 11: 45
          +4
          Quote: Armeec
          Vest and vest only.

          And I still have one vest. The "old" one from the early 80s. tongue Habeshny and thick, issued in the river school (from the fleet has long been worn out). I dress very rarely, because it’s a pity to wash - sheds Uzost! Modern, bought in online stores, although more resistant to washing, but they are somehow thin, glass, dude.
          And in my old I even got married. yes Dressed under a shirt. Fridge was at the end of January under -25 ^. wassat
        2. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 8 May 2013 11: 48
          +3
          In winter they wear it. I do not know about you, they have it.
        3. ural70
          ural70 8 May 2013 13: 01
          +1
          In winter, they even issued in their time in ZakVO and TurKVO; not everything was worn.
      2. Svatdevostator
        Svatdevostator 8 May 2013 13: 01
        +3
        We have long been buying everything in squads for our money, except for vests and cockades, otherwise we don’t get down to the task. True, new backpacks came this year, not to compare with the previous ones. I already tidied up my purchase in the corner and I’ll go to the warehouse
        1. tracer
          tracer 27 October 2018 06: 21
          0
          I can still find RD in the storerooms ... It stinks like new though, how many years have passed. In the taiga, how many years I had been hunting, dragged around, but still quite fit. With modern backpacks, it certainly looks like a museum exhibit of the First World War. But this is a memory, .. Mountain air ..... chattering teeth from the cold at dawn, dirt knee-deep ... ROMANCE .... eh
      3. Praetorian
        Praetorian 10 May 2013 15: 41
        0
        I served in Ryazan 137 pdp. Beluga was worn in the winter, but it was exclusively issued.
  2. svp67
    svp67 8 May 2013 09: 38
    +4
    It's time to either return the "Soviet" system for creating such a form, with the creation of a research institute and passing the test stages, but it is expensive or to create a new one, based on the rich Soviet and world experience, in which it is necessary to issue a technical task to private firms, and then compare what will be offered on comparative tests and the best to take on equipment. Establishing production or partly at the enterprise - the developers are partly at state enterprises or completely at state enterprises (enterprises with a controlling stake in the state)
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 8 May 2013 10: 08
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Establishing release or

      with the involvement of prisoners.
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 May 2013 10: 12
        +2
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        with the involvement of prisoners.
        You know, the question should not be "distorted", it is one thing if they will be attracted for food, in violation of all conventions, and another thing when this happens by agreement, with the payment of salaries ...
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 8 May 2013 10: 24
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          by agreement, with payment of salary ...

          current so, because forced labor is prohibited by the Constitution, but the bulk of workers and not everything is "in the law."
  3. Aristarch
    Aristarch 8 May 2013 09: 38
    0
    It’s a pity in my time there wasn’t such a form, this lightweight, comfortable thing that a rookie still needed, because they didn’t come to the club to get acquainted with the girls.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 8 May 2013 10: 52
      0
      If you are about slippers, then I agree with you!
    2. tracer
      tracer 27 October 2018 06: 30
      0
      He did not wear a new uniform, but in the old landing party, an inspector from Moscow from Grachev's retinue in my new pea jacket fell drunk into the fire and lay there until our people ran to get him out. Itself did not even burn anything, and my pea jacket burned out in front to the lining. After two days, fans of extreme tourism flew to the headquarters, and my jacket was replaced. In a new and light pea jacket, there would have been a brave representative of the headquarters who had suffered at the hands of the "Barmalei" (this is how they would have issued).
  4. Uruska
    Uruska 8 May 2013 09: 39
    +4
    I saw a version of the field uniform developed by Yudashkin. In fact, the material is very high quality, the buttons are sewn with a ribbon, shoulder straps are probably more expensive. So it was "simplified".
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 May 2013 09: 53
      +1
      Do you consider "shoulder straps" an indicator of good field shape?
      1. Akim
        Akim 8 May 2013 10: 43
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        Do you consider "shoulder straps" an indicator of good field shape?

        Of course not. But the chest strap is ugliness. If such an option is introduced, the pursuit in Ukraine is offended.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 May 2013 13: 31
          +1
          But it’s convenient. Nothing clings, nothing presses, buttons on the shoulders after bulletproof vest are not imprinted.
          1. Akim
            Akim 8 May 2013 13: 40
            -2
            Quote: Spade
            buttons on the shoulders after the bulletproof vest are not printed.

            In this case, the insignia is best placed on the forearm. And the stars are better fabric or embroidered.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 May 2013 13: 58
              +1
              It is possible on the forearm. Yes, even on the collar. On the shoulders is not comfortable.
              1. Akim
                Akim 8 May 2013 15: 24
                -1
                Quote: Spade
                It is possible on the forearm. Yes, even on the collar

                I meant that this "mouse tail" on the chest looks ugly.
      2. Rustiger
        Rustiger 8 May 2013 11: 37
        -1
        Quote: Spade
        Do you consider "shoulder straps" an indicator of good field shape?

        You can leave the "simplified" version or duplicate it.
        But the soldier’s front door is required!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 May 2013 13: 32
          +1
          But did the front door at least once remove the epaulettes?
          1. Rustiger
            Rustiger 8 May 2013 23: 26
            0
            And where did you see, comrade Shovels of recent demobilization in a tunic, in ironed trousers, a cap, polished to a shine BOOTS (not in berets)?
            Shoulder straps! They were torn down, they were handed over, they were awarded, they were shot for, so they were "changed", they were proud of them, they were "appropriated" (on this site). ... ...
            I, the naval foreman, did not wear a shoulder strap, only Lyochki on shoulders.
            On demobilization went not in a "bezek", but in an officer's cap. And then, by a happy coincidence, to visit Mayport in '91. There, the boys standing at the gangplank were given new uniforms and caps instead of bezoks. We stayed with that. ... ...
            Quote: Spade
            But did the front door at least once remove the epaulettes?

            I’m sure you understand. . . I am for shoulder straps !!!
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 May 2013 23: 39
              0
              Quote: Rustiger
              And where did you see, comrade Shovels of recent demobilization in a tunic, in ironed trousers, a cap, polished to a shine BOOTS (not in berets)?

              Have not seen. Do you consider normal the absence of a grand holiday in the troops?

              Quote: Rustiger
              Shoulder straps! They were torn down, they were handed over, they were awarded, they were shot for, so they were "changed", they were proud of them, they were "appropriated" (on this site). ... ...

              A normal military shoulder straps are in the head, and not on the shoulders.

              Quote: Rustiger
              I’m sure you understand. . . I am for shoulder straps !!!

              Shoulder straps on the shoulders of the field form is inconvenient. And that is a fact. What advocates for them can oppose this fact? What does it look beautiful? Dear, I do not understand a little here about whom we are talking about, about fashion models?
      3. Vrungel78
        Vrungel78 8 May 2013 11: 38
        -2
        Shoulder straps are MANDATORY. And Serdyukov hung one army shoulder strap on his chest, and put the other in the ass. The next in the ass was supposed to be the whole army. Then - the state. Shoot the scumbag angry
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 May 2013 13: 34
          +3
          Which regiment served? What is your experience with wearing body armor or unloading? How many buttons were removed from the shoulder straps while removing gas masks and duffel bags?
  5. Slavs69
    Slavs69 8 May 2013 09: 53
    10
    "This uniform will be guaranteed to serve for 3 years. This worries the conscripts somewhat." - Rightly worried, three years of service and together with the form for demobilization.
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 8 May 2013 10: 03
      +4
      More often it is necessary to wash, so as not to bother.
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 8 May 2013 10: 10
        +3
        Quote: Dmitry 2246
        More often to wash

        wash those who itch laziness.
  6. Suhov
    Suhov 8 May 2013 10: 01
    -6
    Conversations were also added by information that allegedly the designer of that “Serdyukovskaya” military uniform was Valentin Yudashkin.

    Apparently Yudashkin really had no relation to the above military uniform, because:
    military uniform from Yudashkin should be, in theory, blue.
    laughing
    1. ural70
      ural70 8 May 2013 13: 05
      +2
      Yudashkin himself served urgently, and he knows this form not by hearsay and not from forums.
  7. IRBIS
    IRBIS 8 May 2013 10: 11
    17
    This worries conscripts a little.
    All this fuss around the form has already set my teeth on edge. It would be better if the content of the conscripts corresponded to the form that "worries" them! Continuous fainting, dead, smoky and often already drunk. Physical fitness at the level of a newborn, the level of thinking - "Univer" and "Real boys". Five dags put the whole company with cancer. Dress them even from Cardin, they will still remain pampered sons who only remember the phones of the prosecutor's office and the committee of soldiers' mothers.
    1. Sadroger
      Sadroger 8 May 2013 10: 18
      +1
      +100500))))
  8. Larus
    Larus 8 May 2013 10: 15
    +4
    It’s a very good thing, because in my time you take it for six months and it starts to crack, and not just at the seams. In general, poor conscripts, they just have to wipe outsourcing. In general, it is necessary to approach each type of APU for practical reasons and serve some more so that to learn the work of the equipment on which he works.
  9. vania
    vania 8 May 2013 10: 15
    +3
    it is better to have a normal shower for conscripts, and not these "baths" under taps with cold water.
    1. Larus
      Larus 8 May 2013 12: 03
      +1
      Yes, and then parents would come and clean the disposition, otherwise the soldier would not be able to clean his place of residence.
  10. waisson
    waisson 8 May 2013 10: 18
    0
    personally hand stop unapplied and pocket warmed
  11. Evgan
    Evgan 8 May 2013 10: 26
    +2
    And still. Now, as it should be in the charter, to wear a uniform: seasoned or casual? Or as the commander says?
  12. treskoed
    treskoed 8 May 2013 10: 33
    +2
    Interestingly, now all the officers wear pads on their shirts, or only the Minister of Defense?
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 8 May 2013 14: 08
      +1
      Everything. They make them in the order, the ateliers are clogged with orders for sewing pads. Officers are perplexed, but execute. The circus is continuous ... Kozhugedovich is a big fan of shiny things, look at the shape of the Ministry of Emergencies. Since 2013 in the army of the Russian Federation the epaulettes of the army general were changed, they made a big star, like a marshal of the military branch in the USSR Armed Forces. Do not be surprised if this is a change with the personal filing of Shoigu.
  13. waisson
    waisson 8 May 2013 10: 54
    0
    better than the old form, I think so far no changes have been made in the underwear. in general, when they changed the uniform from p ................. and someone asked there was a poll in percent who would like to be against anyone watch
  14. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 8 May 2013 10: 58
    +1
    Quote: antiaircrafter
    Quote: svp67
    Establishing release or

    with the involvement of prisoners.

    And why not? Let them work for the good of the Motherland, redeem ... so to speak. In the old days they paid for it. The prisoner went free with money. Yes, the same "Kalina red" look.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 8 May 2013 11: 24
      +2
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      Prisoner went free with money

      Actually, I’m leading to this.
      "Kalina" looked.
  15. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 8 May 2013 11: 05
    +3
    Quote: IRBIS
    This worries conscripts a little.
    All this fuss around the form has already set my teeth on edge. It would be better if the content of the conscripts corresponded to the form that "worries" them! Continuous fainting, dead, smoky and often already drunk. Physical fitness at the level of a newborn, the level of thinking - "Univer" and "Real boys". Five dags put the whole company with cancer. Dress them even from Cardin, they will still remain pampered sons who only remember the phones of the prosecutor's office and the committee of soldiers' mothers.

    You are completely right. Everything rests on the fact that our conscripts in the overwhelming majority have neither brains nor muscles, hence the burdens with all the consequences.
  16. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 8 May 2013 11: 08
    +2
    In general, no one has come up with anything better than footcloths. Footcloths are a thing for all occasions.
  17. crambol
    crambol 8 May 2013 11: 14
    +1
    I talked with cadets of a higher school near Moscow. It was this winter and they are what the light of the material jackets without warm collars. And what it is - terrible pipes, from which a skinny neck sticks out and where it pours rain, snow falls asleep and scares through.
  18. Rustiger
    Rustiger 8 May 2013 11: 22
    +3
    What pleases me guys is the fact that Yeldashkin did not stretch his sticky claws to the form of the Navy, as it seems to me. good . And to the traditional form of cadets of military schools.
    And where are the "parades" and the rank and file? Where are the "pumped" tunics, ironed trousers, strict shirts and caps. Previously, the demobilization returned to the “village” as a generalisimo, but now it’s as if in a new, but “fancy” field.
    Convenience and practicality of the form is necessary, but there must be continuity and tradition!
    I am wrong?
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  19. denkastro
    denkastro 8 May 2013 11: 29
    +1
    Do not forget that the military uniform (including everyday) is not just a piece of clothing, but part of the military equipment, which in turn should help solve specific problems. It is good that with the advent of Shoigu, this problem was taken with complete seriousness. WBD has changed a lot over the last 20-30 years, respectively, and the equipment should also change well, and the form as part of it. For this, not the Yudashkins are needed, but a research institute. Imkho, of course.
  20. kudwar68
    kudwar68 8 May 2013 11: 30
    0
    Indeed, not an army, but a kindergarten. I don’t like the uniform, there is no toilet paper on the glasses. wassat Something this army reminds me of Geyevropovskoy ...
    And if tomorrow is war, but I’m not eating
  21. Vtel
    Vtel 8 May 2013 11: 34
    +1
    The new form must be run on the commanders, as in China for half a year in the rank and file and forward with the song. Then there will be some kind of good. In the meantime, they are sitting in their offices and posing in front of the cameras with the Yudashkins, there is no reason to expect good.
    1. Larus
      Larus 8 May 2013 11: 55
      +2
      It is necessary that future officers begin their service ONLY after the term.
  22. Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 8 May 2013 11: 41
    +2
    Better "Afghan" did not wear anything!
  23. No_more
    No_more 8 May 2013 12: 07
    0
    It is quite an adequate form, but it is worth fighting for adequate pricing, if someone needs it and at least one ministry will start counting "our" money.

    To worry about the "worn form" is generally stupid. 3 years is not even enough, in my opinion, for the service life of the mold, because there are 19 elements in the set. Will they all wear out at once? God forbid at least one of them will actually be worn for a year.
    I think it’s more reasonable to have different socks for different things, because it is logical that the clothes will wear out much faster than the super-warm winter jacket.
    I doubt very much that the whole set will serve exactly 3 years. If this is true, then I am at a loss.
  24. rudolff
    rudolff 8 May 2013 12: 12
    +8
    Talking about the return of the Soviet military uniform is not serious. If it were successful, no one would change it. Who served in the Union knows. An overcoat for all occasions, this is a quiet horror. Especially on the forced marches. You will not wish the enemy to run in it, and even with full gear. And what a pleasure it is to crawl in an overcoat in the mud or in the snow, I myself have experienced! Wadded jackets (quilted jackets) were useless in winter, they did not warm at all. Exclusion of jackets for tankers, pilots, sailors, airborne troops. The soldier's belt is also a separate topic. When you hang on it a pouch with four magazines, a sapper's shovel, a bayonet-knife, a flask of water, don't hammer in a buckle like a brick, it doesn't hold anyway. I saw "suspenders" on a belt only in Taman. I don’t even want to remember the tarpaulin boots, not a single plus. Whenever possible, the cadets got them. With footcloths, too, not everything is so simple. New or at least just intact were rare. More often holes or ragged. Once after a bath they tried to hand me the size of a handkerchief and with a huge hole in the middle. On alarm, no one wore footcloths at all. They hung it over the boot, and then just stuck in the leg. In principle, when the leg was already coarse, it was possible to run in kirzach and cross without winding footcloths at all, there were no corns. Separate conversation, hat with earflaps. Especially when, without lowering the "ears", they wore a helmet over it. As I understand it, the enemy should have died laughing. In short, you can remember a lot of unpleasant things. It was necessary to change the shape for a long time. I remember only the naval one with a good word. Well, she has survived to this day from tsarist times with little or no change! Sheepskin coats can also be distinguished. In the cold on guard, only they saved!
    1. No_more
      No_more 8 May 2013 12: 21
      -2
      Everything is true, but only the boots are good in deep mud or when places are swampy - water and dirt are not poured, because the bootleg is high, but if it is flooded .. And walking in them all the time is certainly stupid.
  25. denkastro
    denkastro 8 May 2013 12: 53
    +1
    Quote: No_more
    Everything is true, but only the boots are good in deep mud or when places are swampy - water and dirt are not poured, because the bootleg is high, but if it is flooded .. And walking in them all the time is certainly stupid.

    Greetings, Alexander. For me, a boot with a high berets and a deaf tongue is much more comfortable for dirt and more.
  26. rudolff
    rudolff 8 May 2013 13: 22
    +2
    No_more, tarpaulin boots, than do not coat them, do not hold water for a long time, they begin to pass quickly. And in the swamp or deep mud it is generally better not to meddle with them. How many times had to barefoot jump and get boots out of the quagmire! The foot is slipping out. Exception, only for paratroopers. Their bootleg was laced so as not to lose during jumping.
  27. Suhov
    Suhov 8 May 2013 13: 52
    +2
    Yudashkin claims that the Ministry of Defense has distorted his military uniform project

    As noted by Yudashkin, he has letters in which the Ministry of Defense states that it independently modified the winter and summer uniforms according to its own codes.
    “We cannot be responsible for the quality or not the quality of the clothes that we don't even know who made them,” he stressed.
  28. ed1968
    ed1968 8 May 2013 14: 55
    -1
    I think it’s better to let them establish a new uniform, and as soon as possible, a son’s friend serves in the army and curses the Serdyukov’s bag because of a bunch of flaws, in addition to everything, he says that it’s embarrassing to go in it, preferring to carry the flora when it’s possible what kind of fighting spirit you can talk about if a soldier is ashamed of his uniform ashamed and proud of it should and the uniform itself should be comfortable so that the soldier felt normal in it in summer and winter
  29. crambol
    crambol 8 May 2013 21: 26
    0
    Quote: Rustiger
    What pleases me guys is that Yeldashkin did not stretch his sticky claws to the Navy uniform

    Thank you, friend, respected the old moreman! I think that in the distant 1965 our form was on top!
  30. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 8 May 2013 22: 26
    0
    The funny thing is that the author, as it were, accidentally forgot to mention that the form that is only being tested now. It was created under Serdyukov, and under Shoigu they made a clowning out of this. The only changes were made only in the shoes, it became crap and insignia plus any badges with Velcro. If a fighter attaches all this even in the field version, the only thing left for him is to hang a target on his head. And the camouflage became darker which is already debatable.