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Finland can sell its shipyards to Russia

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Finland can sell its shipyards to RussiaFinnish experts believe that the country's government may sell the Russian United Shipbuilding Corporation of the STX Finland shipyard, on which the world's largest passenger cruise liners were built.


The shipbuilding industry in Finland is on the verge of one of the most serious crises in all of its history. In 2008, the country's main shipbuilding holding, Aker Yards Oy, was purchased by the South Korean corporation STX. The start of cooperation between South Korea and Finland was rosy: in 2009 and 2010, two of the world's largest cruise liners were built at the shipyards in Turku: Oasis of the Seas and Allure of the Seas. However, in 2012, the South Korean STX was on the verge of bankruptcy due to the unsuccessful sale of STX Pan Ocean subsidiary and decided to get rid of part of its European shipyards. All this put Finnish shipyards in Turku and Rauma on the brink of closure.

Chairman of the parliamentary faction of the Social Democratic Party (SDP) in the Finnish parliament Jouni Backman called on the government to take an active role in saving the naval shipyards in order to preserve the industry and the professionals working in it. However, even financial investments in troubled shipyards will not allow Finland to maintain its shipbuilding in the long term. According to experts, in Helsinki must overcome prejudices and seek help from a long-time partner - Russia.

According to the professor, shipbuilding specialist Jorma Taina, Finland can sell its shipyards in Turku and Rauma to the United Shipbuilding Corporation, which already has a joint venture with STX. "Finland and Russia can benefit from the development of Arctic shipping - the first as a manufacturer, the second - as a user," - quotes the expert of The Helsinki Times. The expert noted that for the development of communications along the Northern Sea Route Russia will need dozens of new icebreakers and cargo ships.

Director of the Finnish National Supply Agency Ilkka Kananen (Ilkka Kananen) told reporters that the sale of shipyards in Russia poses no greater threat to the country's economic and national security than selling them to South Korea. Kananen clarified to the Iltalehti publication that some problems may arise with the shipyards of Rauma, where, in particular, military ships are manufactured for the Finnish Navy.

Media outlets note that shipyards in Finland are already loaded with Russian orders. STX’s financial problems have not yet touched the joint Russian-South Korean venture Arctech Helsinki Shipyard, created in 2010, which, in particular, produces modern Arctic supply ships: their hulls are made in Vyborg, and retrofits are carried out in Finland. In April 2013 of the year, an act was signed on the delivery of the second Arctic supply ship "Alexey Chirikov". At the end of April 2013, the Yantar Baltic Shipbuilding Plant sent the diesel-electric icebreaker hull section of the P-70202 project to Finland, and the Russian-Finnish shipbuilding cooperation is not limited to these projects. In total, Finland for the Soviet Union and Russia built more 1500 ships.

According to PortNews IAA, United Shipbuilding Corporation can, without waiting for the resolution of the situation with STX, go to buy the South Korean share (STX Finland Cruise Oy) in a joint venture. Currently, companies own at 50 percent of shares of Arctech. STX Finland Cruise Oy.

Russia has high hopes for the development of the Northern Sea Route, which can significantly reduce the time of cargo ships traveling between Asia and Europe. With the help of Russian nuclear-powered icebreakers in 2012, 46 ships passed through the Northern Sea Route. According to expert estimates, the potential volume of transit traffic on the Northern Sea Route in both directions is 9 million tons. In the coming years, with the help of Russian infrastructure, icebreakers and supply ships, it can become a key transport artery for world trade.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 7 May 2013 10: 15 New
    12
    Can I buy, why not? New technologies can be acquired, and additional stocks at the present time will not hurt ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 7 May 2013 10: 17 New
      +4
      Definitely need to buy, if there is such an opportunity. But I don’t think that we will find any new technologies there.
      1. Gagarin
        Gagarin 7 May 2013 10: 41 New
        -2
        Quote: Canep
        But I don’t think that we will find any new technologies there.

        Why then buy?
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 7 May 2013 12: 34 New
          +2
          Why then buy?

          The United Shipbuilding Corporation may, without waiting for the resolution of the situation with STX, go to redeem the South Korean share (STX Finland Cruise Oy) in the joint venture. Currently, companies own 50 percent of Arctech. STX Finland Cruise Oy.

          We are talking about the cycle of finance in the stock market. Koresev didn’t work out - they get rid of the ballast of shares. We are doing well - we are buying. Koreans have a share in the shipbuilding industry around the blue ball.
      2. Jackyun
        Jackyun 7 May 2013 10: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Canep
        Definitely need to buy

        What for? What does the average Russian get from this, you and me, but you and me? Nothing! Investment, i.e. the money of Russian taxpayers (again, you and me) will go to the European Union, which is smoothly covered with a copper basin, taxes from this production will remain in the same place, Finns will receive salaries, no one will give any super technologies (civil shipbuilding). There remains a net profit, which will successfully settle in the pockets of "aligators". And what about Russia, except for helping the "partners"?
        Personally, such help does not excite me!
    2. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 7 May 2013 10: 17 New
      +9
      are there few territories? we must build our own and modernize what we already have on our land, and not invest in a foreign land, which today will not be so nationalized tomorrow according to some Cypriot scheme.
      And what technologies can we borrow there? On the construction of icebreakers as they say in the article? And when we managed to lag behind the Finns in this field ??????????
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 7 May 2013 10: 26 New
        +2
        To build your own, you need to study the finished. And the Finns with shipyards under the USSR had all the type of top.
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 7 May 2013 10: 30 New
          +2
          Everything was tiptop with Ukraine too, but the orange president came and somehow the joint production didn’t go ... When will we think ahead?
      2. Retx
        Retx 7 May 2013 10: 26 New
        +7
        The USSR used these shipyards, as did RI after the RSFSR. We are talking about commercial courts, here the main factor is qualifications and experience. We are already investing in our own, there is an expansion of production at many shipyards of shipbuilding companies, but Finland is the moment when, if possible, it is better to bend for ourselves.
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 7 May 2013 10: 29 New
          +3
          The USSR used any shipyards because its own were loaded, and not out of idle desire.
          1. Retx
            Retx 7 May 2013 10: 41 New
            13
            Ours are also loaded, you will not believe.
            And the Finnish shipyards are "not anyhow". Shipyard in Turku (1650 people), with an area of ​​144 hectares, is the largest and most modern in Europe. The new construction dock measures 365 x 80 m. As a rule, construction of huge Postpanamax class cruise ships is carried out here, and the Helsinki shipyard specializes mainly in the construction of ferries. The shipyard in Rauma, whose new dock has a size of 260 x 85 m, is the world leader in the construction of ferries. Smaller cruise ships, multifunctional icebreakers and naval vessels are also being built here. At a shipyard in Helsinki, approximately 400 people work on Arctic marine technology and shipbuilding and unite Finnish and Russian marine clusters. The new covered shipyard in Helsinki has a dry dock measuring 280,5 x 34 m. The world's largest cruise ships were built at the Turku shipyard: Oasis of the Seas in 2009 and Allure of the Seas in 2010.
            We don’t know much of this, we cannot, we don’t practice.
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 7 May 2013 12: 37 New
              0
              "Kotlin" received the last torpedo ... They promised to make a final verdict on May 6 ... It was thought "as a gift for the 9th," but no. Only the director, Andrei Dyachkov, "resigned".
          2. 11 black
            11 black 7 May 2013 10: 43 New
            +5
            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            The USSR used any shipyards because its own were loaded, and not out of idle desire.

            Well, now the situation is the same - our shipyards are crammed with orders of both defense mines and export, this does not allow us to rearm the fleet in an acceptable time, we cannot refuse to export (we will lose financial gain + we will give the markets to the potential enemy), but if export orders are withdrawn ( at least part) to Finland and thereby unload our shipyards it will be just great good so I think we need to buy, and then when we no longer need additional shipyards, we can sell it (do not worry at the shipyard - icebreaker manufacturers will find a buyer quickly yes

            By the way, this handsome man was built at Finnish shipyards so that new technologies can break off ...
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 7 May 2013 12: 28 New
              0
              for example, this tugboat, included in the book of Gines ...
              Fotiy Krylov (SB 135)
            2. dmitreach
              dmitreach 7 May 2013 13: 21 New
              +2
              I’ll glue such a picture to Vitus Bering.
              Twin brother - Alexey Chirikov.
              They were built by the Vyborg Shipyard and the Finns. Arctech Helsinki Shipyard Oy JV (a joint venture of United Shipbuilding Corporation and STX Finland).
              1. Retx
                Retx 7 May 2013 13: 38 New
                +2
                Let me add.
                NB-508
                Icebreaking rescue vessel for the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation.
                Length: 76,4 m
                Width: 20,5 m
                Powerplant: 7 MW
                The hull will be manufactured at the Yantar shipyard (USC), and the rest at the Arctech shipyards (Helsinki).
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 7 May 2013 11: 57 New
          -2
          Quote: RETX
          when it’s possible, it’s better to bend it for yourself.

          Who will let you do this?
          Is "Cyprus privatization" not enough for you?
          Please do not forget that for a long time there have been restrictions on the export of technologies and equipment. The "mattress" and the "island" keep the hand on the "pulse" of all this.
          For an example, look at the history of the creation of deep-sea WORLDS.
          1. Retx
            Retx 7 May 2013 13: 07 New
            +2
            Cyprus privatization is (there should have been an adjective characterizing the extreme degree of inadequacy) idiots step within the EU. In general, no one expected such a move, not even in the EU. Something like this in the future is unlikely to drive, people are already ready for exacerbations.
            I remember the limitations, but we will not export anything in fact. We will get ready shipyards and specialists. All work together for us, and the so-called export will happen by itself, in a completely different form.
            But here you have correctly noticed if they give "green" for the deal.
      3. Suhov
        Suhov 7 May 2013 10: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        are there few territories? we must build our own and modernize what we already have on our land, and not invest in a foreign land that will be nationalized today not so tomorrow according to some Cypriot scheme.

        Buy and right there take to Russia, together with specialists ...
        smile
        1. svp67
          svp67 7 May 2013 10: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Sukhov
          Buy and immediately export to Russia, together with specialists ...
          and it is better to quickly hold a "free" referendum, declare the territory of the shipyards, together with the workers' townships, independent from Finland, and then come up with a proposal to join the Russian Federation. We must "collect" the land back fellow
      4. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 7 May 2013 10: 32 New
        0
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        are there few territories?

        You really need to build it yourself, the purchase will bring some control and possibly profit, and construction on its territory:
        full control,
        profit,
        workplaces
        and so we lack a shipyard for the construction of ships with a large displacement.
      5. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 10: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        are there few territories? you need to build your own and modernize what is already on your land, and not invest in a foreign land

        Well, why are you so categorical, a good shipyard is worth a lot, plus there are specialists who we are lacking now.
        And then, Finland is abroad, and so it is, but it’s only so far abroad, but who knows where the borders of the Russian Empire will go wink
      6. Rustiger
        Rustiger 7 May 2013 12: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        And when we managed to lag behind the Finns in this field ??????????

        Alas, a very long time ago. Moreover, half of all modern marine rescuers in 80-90 procured in Fink.
        Here are a couple even river (s / n) -
        Diesel-electric icebreaker "Kapitan Chadayev"
        Built in 1978 in Finland at the Wärtsilä shipyard under project 1105 for the USSR.
        Chadayev

        He worked at the Volga and Kama shipping. Home port 85g. Tchaikovsky, Ulyanovsk. . .

        Diesel-electric icebreaker "Captain Demidov"
        Built in 1984 in Finland at the Wärtsilä shipyard under project 1191 for the USSR.
        Kama RP. Home port 85-90g. Chistopol, Tatarstan.
        demids


        And here there are a lot of icebreakers and almost all Finnish -

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/21671/
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 7 May 2013 10: 40 New
      +3
      ShturmKGB
      Can I buy, why not?


      What's the point? To pay the Finnish guys for the construction of passenger ships that will ride German tourists or our Chubais? I personally do not warm


      1. Retx
        Retx 7 May 2013 10: 50 New
        +2
        The point is that the owners will be a Russian company and orders for construction will go to it. And all the loot will drip not only in the Finnish economy (a small part, on wages, maintenance, etc.), but also in ours, as the owner. Moreover, the Russian trade the fleet will be able to build modern ships for itself, including for the Arctic.
        1. the polar
          the polar 7 May 2013 20: 03 New
          0
          Quote: RETX
          The point is that the owners will be a Russian company and orders for construction will go to it. And all the loot will drip not only in the Finnish economy (a small part, on wages, maintenance, etc.), but also in ours, as the owner. Moreover, the Russian trade the fleet will be able to build modern ships for itself, including for the Arctic.

          The entire merchant fleet, the former Soviet one, is flying under the "false flag", so you, as the owner, will not get anything.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 10: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        What's the point? Pay Finnish guys to build passenger ships that will ride German tourists or our Chubais

        Hi Vadim! Well, we also consider the whole fleet to be updated, including the civilian one. What Bulgaria alone costs, how many lives it took. there is no particular choice with our privatizers.
        1. w.ebdo.g
          w.ebdo.g 7 May 2013 11: 53 New
          0
          Sanya, hi!
          you need to buy something, but the main thing is that the Finns don’t change their minds and, after getting out of the crisis, don’t decide to nationalize (select) the shipyard.
          Estonia has positive experience; the Russian gas pipeline was simply taken and taken away. because they decided so. and they didn’t care about our protests ...
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 7 May 2013 12: 53 New
            0
            after removing from the crisis, they did not decide to nationalize (select) the shipyards.

            These fears are more relevant in the case of "cooperation" with the Nikolaev shipyards, because the Rada is not adequate. Unlike the cold-blooded Finns.
    4. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 7 May 2013 10: 48 New
      +3
      "Helsinki must overcome prejudices and seek help from a long-term partner - Russia" - so far everything is fine, so you can shelter all kinds of freaks, such as the Caucasus Emirate movement, set up servers for anti-Russian media centers, transfer money for Russian NGOs (illegal!) and all this with the approval of the Finnish government.
      and now remembered that we are partners ...
      something resembles "MMM" - "I'm not a freeloader, I'm a partner!" so said the character of the commercials Golubkov)))
    5. elmi
      elmi 7 May 2013 13: 17 New
      +2
      The shipbuilding industry in Finland is on the verge of one of the most serious crises in its history.

      What problems? come back to Russia, we can’t load orders by the most.
    6. T-100
      T-100 7 May 2013 14: 26 New
      0
      Buy - you can, for a hundred rubles !!!)))
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 7 May 2013 10: 15 New
    +2
    You should not flatter yourself, the West will never allow this. They will redeem themselves, having thrown off the entire European Union, they will blow up, they will pass a law prohibiting the sale, they will set the price at 5 trillion. euros, but they will never give us back.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 7 May 2013 12: 30 New
      +1
      Yes, most likely it will be so.
  3. svp67
    svp67 7 May 2013 10: 17 New
    +1
    The news is very controversial. On the one hand, if you remember how many ships and other unique marine objects, including the Mir deep-sea vehicles, were built in Finland, and as far as I know our sailors were very pleased with the quality of these ships. So the news is good in this regard. But on the other hand, instead of developing production at home, we will start investing in the economy of a foreign side, in this regard, it’s not very ... negative
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 7 May 2013 12: 47 New
      -1
      Buying Shares ... uh, let's say Gazprom ... (as an example), is it a "loss" for your family? But you could buy a new dishwasher or some other useful thing for your home, for your family ...
  4. Retx
    Retx 7 May 2013 10: 21 New
    +5
    They will not give us the opportunity to buy them. This will actually make us monopolists in the Arctic and strengthen our shipbuilding capabilities, and this is just a knight's move in the battle for the Arctic.
    I would like to know the comments of our shipbuilders and owners of transport companies, this is a serious matter.
  5. Hudo
    Hudo 7 May 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    Today the article was "The Finnish Harbor for Terrorists", so in the light of what was stated there, one should remind the hot Finnish guys about this, and if they hatch their white Chukhon eyes in misunderstanding, they say, this democracy, damn it, political refugees and other heresy will be useful for them and put in place. And remember about the children taken away from Russian parents in Suomi under a far-fetched pretext.
  6. Tolik. 975
    Tolik. 975 7 May 2013 10: 22 New
    +3
    Here you need to be smart. Will we pull these shipyards? Who will lead this all? if the stool - then I am against! wink
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 7 May 2013 12: 58 New
      0
      Here the cuts do not pull ... We are building the shipyard "Zvezda-DSME" and "Vostok-Raffles", on the Far East - LAME. The problems are the roofs. But that does not indicate a cut and stupid managers, but about the situation in the field of WORLD shipbuilding.
      Only he who does not do anything is not mistaken. And to move from the market (as Nikolaev shipyards), can and quite successful owner.
  7. igor36
    igor36 7 May 2013 10: 24 New
    +3
    these are good shipyards with experience in building large vessels. If everything grows together it will be a big plus for the development of our fleet and shipbuilding
  8. Renat
    Renat 7 May 2013 10: 26 New
    +5
    Investing money to buy anything on the territory of a likely adversary? To withdraw money again, to invest in a foreign economy. Or will ours work there? Build, restore yourself. Why at the expense of the country to save the Finnish sharagu from the crisis?
    1. mark1
      mark1 7 May 2013 10: 41 New
      +3
      The location of the shipyards is very convenient, interaction with our enterprises has already been established, so a purchase would be very desirable. In addition to the Arctic vessels, a large series of high-speed container ships will be launched (there was such a project as R-756, it is even possible with an ice belt) and these are already dual-use vessels. Well, if the probable opponent wants to show his true essence - we are nearby, at a distance of spitting. what will they do to us?
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 7 May 2013 13: 00 New
        +1
        With the loss of shipbuilding Ukraine, we acquire Finland and France. such is seliv ...
  9. Gagarin
    Gagarin 7 May 2013 10: 38 New
    +3
    Quote: Renat
    Investing money to buy anything on the territory of a likely adversary? To withdraw money again, to invest in a foreign economy. Or will ours work there? Build, restore yourself. Why at the expense of the country to save the Finnish sharagu from the crisis?

    I think so too. The specialists will go for a normal salary from all over the world, and we will assign to each of our trainees if we have problems with the staff.
  10. orff
    orff 7 May 2013 10: 38 New
    +4
    in conditions of an ongoing crisis it is necessary to skim the cream in the form of technology! not only in the shipbuilding industry, but also in other sectors. Now is a very good time!
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 7 May 2013 13: 00 New
      +1
      need to skim the cream in the form of technology!

      say the truth!
  11. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 7 May 2013 10: 39 New
    +2
    why only shipyards? buy all of Finland right away. smile
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 7 May 2013 10: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: Ragnarek
      why only shipyards? buy all of Finland right away.


      and sell to China three times as expensive
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 7 May 2013 13: 01 New
        0
        why only shipyards? buy all of Finland right away.

        and sell to China three times as expensive

        laughing laughing laughing + 100500!
  12. waisson
    waisson 7 May 2013 10: 41 New
    +3
    the state will buy and smart heads will be found right there what they’ll deactivate and then transfer the private piece to tidbit tongue
  13. krest.ros
    krest.ros 7 May 2013 10: 45 New
    +3
    It is necessary to return the lost!
  14. lazy
    lazy 7 May 2013 10: 52 New
    +1
    and if they go bankrupt it will be possible to buy their equipment at the price of scrap metal and export it to Russia to upgrade production at their plants, and of the unemployed Finns in jamshuts
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 7 May 2013 13: 06 New
      +1
      if they go bankrupt

      in early 1987, the Valmet and Wärtsilä shipyards were merged under the name Wärtsilä Meriteollisuus.
      In the 1980s, the shipbuilding industry was in crisis, losing to competitors from Asia. To increase efficiency, Valmet and Wärtsilä were merged under the name Wärtsilä Meriteollisuus in early 1987. This did not save the situation, and in 1989 the largest bankruptcy at that time in Finland's industry occurred. Now (2012) the shipyard Wärtsilä Meriteollisuus is the property of STX Europe.
      from pedagogy

      Here's the attention question: Wärtsilä, has sunk into oblivion after bankruptcy?
  15. Gagarin
    Gagarin 7 May 2013 10: 56 New
    -1
    "The shipbuilding industry in Finland is on the verge of one of the worst crises in its history."
    It turns out that we will raise the shipbuilding industry of Finland from our knees? Will we receive in return technologies that are inaccessible to us in order to cover all the cons?
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 7 May 2013 13: 10 New
      0
      The shipbuilding industry in Finland is on the verge of one of the most serious crises in its history

      So it was already in the 80s. We walk in a circle. You can even say that this is their "permanent state". That is, like the WHOLE world economy.
  16. individual
    individual 7 May 2013 11: 04 New
    +3
    The issue of the acquisition of Finnish shipyards.


    Rather than allowing Vekselberg and Co. ° to cut money, in Skolkovo, and Chubais in UNDERSTANDING, it is better to purchase shipyards and slipways with real know-how and nano-workshop technologies of Finnish manufacturers.
  17. and she
    and she 7 May 2013 11: 06 New
    +4
    I think that it makes sense to buy Finnish shipyards - we need to update the civilian fleet, and our shipyards work only for the Ministry of Defense, because the navy is being updated. Finns are good shipbuilders.
    Building your own shipyards is more than one year and very expensive. Yes, you still need to find workers - young people are more and more merchandisers and marketers striving to get attached. It is necessary to restore the system of vocational education and establish career guidance - which is also a difficult task. And the Finnish shipyards are staffed with knowledgeable people.
    Naturally. to the extent possible, shipbuilding enterprises should be developed on their territory.
  18. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 7 May 2013 11: 38 New
    +1
    In small countries, there is only one way out - they will unite: either among themselves (Benelux), or with large countries (Finland was part of Russia)!
  19. lecturer
    lecturer 7 May 2013 11: 59 New
    +3
    Take the most important thing from the article:
    "Finland and Russia can benefit from the development of Arctic shipping - the first as a manufacturer, the second as a user," The Helsinki Times quotes an expert. The expert noted that for the development of communication along the Northern Sea Route, Russia will need dozens of new icebreakers and cargo ships. "
    - It seems to me that the best option for explaining the topic is not necessary! drinks
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 7 May 2013 13: 11 New
      +2
      They take into account their more than half a century of experience in cooperation with Russia in the field of shipbuilding. Positive experience.
  20. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 7 May 2013 12: 03 New
    +4
    If there is such an opportunity - it is necessary to acquire without delay, immediately and at that moment ...
    For the shipbuilding industry in Finland is very well developed. Plus shipyards and most importantly - specialists and skilled labor ...
    But having acquired these shipyards, it is necessary to develop and invest in them. Otherwise, after some time there will be a lag in the technological plan, which will ultimately lead to enormous losses ...
  21. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 7 May 2013 12: 58 New
    +2
    In Russia, shipyards are just not enough now. Especially the bigger ones. Must have.
  22. 120352
    120352 7 May 2013 13: 10 New
    -2
    You can buy, of course. But where are we going to build ships and ships ?!
  23. Papakiko
    Papakiko 7 May 2013 13: 46 New
    -1
    Quote: RETX
    but we will not export anything in fact. We will get ready shipyards and specialists. All work together for us

    We need our specialists and our shipyards.
    Up-to-date equipment is not being produced in our country, and what would you get it (the opportunity to buy for a "bump" and acquired shares in shipyards.
    And the "librastic" barking of "neighbors" is aimed precisely at this, so that we would provide work and invest.
    And about friendship when working for us, you can suffocate from "friendly" embraces.
    1. Retx
      Retx 7 May 2013 14: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Papakiko
      We need our specialists and our shipyards.

      We have them, shipyards i.e. No time. It takes years to prepare a specialist, and even for modern equipment. There is a double edged sword, we can build it, but who will work there? And find who wants to become this specialist, now it is relevant at the government level.
      We will begin to build as Finns in years through n-tsat (behind, alas). Somehow it is necessary to reduce the gap more aggressively, let the owners of the USC solve this issue, and if it is profitable for them, they will buy it.
  24. Drejk
    Drejk 7 May 2013 14: 46 New
    +1
    You need to buy in any case if there are opportunities. Even if you discard the possibility of ordering property in another state, this is an extra lever for management. The more Russia will belong to the world, the stronger will be the authority of the state.
  25. rudolff
    rudolff 7 May 2013 15: 32 New
    +3
    When the economic crisis broke out several years ago and many companies with global brands were on the verge of bankruptcy, the Chinese rushed to buy up the most advanced industries around the world. We had only one sluggish attempt to acquire Opel, which did not end with anything. As a result, the Chinese have largely reduced their technological gap from developed countries, and we stayed where we were. With its own skolkovo, Russian nominations and other "paper" projects. Acquisition of Finnish shipyards would certainly be beneficial, but not harmful! These are ready-made high-tech production facilities, where you can implement almost any of the most ambitious projects without additional restructuring or modernization. The only question is, will these shipyards be sold to us? And will they want to buy them from us? In Finland, it will be more difficult to steal money, and the price will not be too high.
  26. rks5317
    rks5317 7 May 2013 16: 11 New
    -1
    It is much more profitable in all aspects to create a joint venture with Ukraine or to buy Nikolaevskie. Kherson. Kiev. Theodosia and Sevastopol shipbuilding plants (having created tens or hundreds of thousands of decently paid jobs for Ukraine with all the consequences) and built for all Russian fleets in 3-4 years new squadrons of frigates. destroyers and other ships and reanimate 3 idle counterparts of Peter the Great ... Only the Customers couldn’t get such a simple idea ... They would quickly sell the latest weapons to a potential adversary. . Otherwise, what can explain the conclusion of contracts for the supply of SU-35 to China (there are 6 in the Russian army). Frigates for India. BMP-3 for the Saudis. SU-30 and MiG-29 = Azerbaijan ???
  27. ed1968
    ed1968 7 May 2013 19: 10 New
    +1
    I think it’s worth buying one of the most modern shipyards with more than one and yes and when Russia recently built a normal cruise ship
  28. Onotollah
    Onotollah 7 May 2013 19: 19 New
    +1
    I get the impression that buying a shipyard could be a good purchase.
    in business, not in a mattress (in every sense)
  29. the polar
    the polar 7 May 2013 19: 56 New
    -2
    Quote: Jackyun
    Quote: Canep
    Definitely need to buy

    What for? What does the average Russian get from this, you and me, but you and me? Nothing! Investment, i.e. the money of Russian taxpayers (again, you and me) will go to the European Union, which is smoothly covered with a copper basin, taxes from this production will remain in the same place, Finns will receive salaries, no one will give any super technologies (civil shipbuilding). There remains a net profit, which will successfully settle in the pockets of "aligators". And what about Russia, except for helping the "partners"?
    Personally, such help does not excite me!

    All true.
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 7 May 2013 22: 35 New
      0
      There remains a net profit, which will successfully settle in the pockets of "aligators".

      What is the "average" Russian? The one who constructs mechanisms with the highest in the design bureau? Or the one who finished sailing? Or the one who works in the oil industry? (for example: on ice-class supply ships) Or do we have the exclusive prerogative of the Aligarhs to roll up their sleeves and oil with a wrench?
      And what about Russia, except for helping the "partners"?

      Do not smack nonsense, dear. She is in pain.
  30. urchik
    urchik 7 May 2013 20: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Canep
    Definitely need to buy, if there is such an opportunity. But I don’t think that we will find any new technologies there.

    chelsea bought one here, and in us and in football, such technologies appeared that they lost everything that can be lost.
  31. SEM
    SEM 7 May 2013 22: 52 New
    +1
    The Beginning is Good of course, but if only it would not end as always. (State money, and the income from acquired shipyards in someone’s pocket) ........