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Who is it NATO? Talk about the American military base in the port of Aktau - the purest fantasy

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Speaking at a conference of foreign ministers of the countries participating in the Istanbul Process last Friday in Astana, President Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan noted that Astana is ready to “expand the transit potential for NATO cargo through the Caspian port of Aktau” in the context of our agreement with the North Atlantic Alliance on assistance in normalizing the situation in Afghanistan. This news raised a wave of concern in the neighboring countries of the region, primarily in Russia: local experts seriously fear that a Pentagon military base will appear in the future in western Kazakhstan.


In neighboring Russia, many experts nervously perceived the statement of the head of Kazakhstan, and some frankly panicked: they say, the already fragile construction of Caspian security will collapse if smart Americans quickly build a military base in Aktau, explaining that they need to reduce the threat of drug trafficking, fight religious extremism, smuggling everything and everything ... Russian political analyst Alexander KNYAZEV seriously stated that NATO could be included in Aktau’s scenario of aggression against Iran. Other policies hold a similar point of view.
Meanwhile, the director of the Institute of World Politics and Economics, Sultan Akimbekov, in an interview with our newspaper, urges his colleagues not to make apocalyptic conclusions.

- How does the president's statement agree with the agreement of the Caspian states that there should not be any foreign presence in this region?

- It’s all about the transit of goods. Aktau is exactly the same transit base as, for example, the Russian Ulyanovsk. And there is no reason to believe that the status of this port will change if NATO cargoes are transported through Aktau. The President clearly said about the expansion of his transit potential, that is, this process is not political, but purely technological.

I would draw attention to another statement by the head of our state at the Eurasian Media Forum - the day before the Istanbul Conference. Its essence is that Kazakhstan should maintain its multi-vector policy, adhering to constructive multipolarity.

And some Russian experts constantly see apocalyptic scenarios for the development of the situation around Afghanistan ... Astana’s position and interests of Russia are well understood, Moscow’s concern is shared, but talking about the NATO military presence in Aktau is fundamentally wrong, these are unfounded assumptions. If only because Nursultan Nazarbayev did not say a word about it.

Yes, security in the region is paramount. However, “closing”, isolating Afghanistan from the world community, as it was in the 2001 year, is also wrong. The main idea of ​​the Istanbul process is precisely to launch the peace process in Afghanistan, to stabilize the situation there through economic ties, and the development of transport corridors is one of the keys to the successful implementation of this idea.

Of course, geopolitical contradictions have long existed in the Central Asian region because of the problem of Afghanistan, but for Kazakhstan it is crucial not to take sides in the conflict.

- And yet, if it is theoretically assumed that there will be a NATO base in Aktau ...

- This is pure fantasy! For example, a military base in the Kyrgyz Manas was created when the troops of the international coalition entered the region during the war against the Taliban. Now, NATO is leaving Afghanistan. And if it leaves, then what is the point of keeping a foreign base in Aktau? This is simply illogical - from the point of view that Kazakhstan has good working relations with Iran and Russia, and the appearance of a base in Aktau will be simply unprofitable for us. Kazakhstan will not conflict with its Caspian neighbors.

- And nevertheless: how the possible appearance of structures of NATO in Aktau, albeit only for a while, can change the situation in the Caspian?

- The main problem of the region is the difference in the views of stakeholders on its development. The problem of the problems is still the unresolved legal status of the Caspian, disagreements over the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline. The West is in favor of building it, Russia is against it, and Kazakhstan’s position is extremely detached. Astana has signed an agreement with Moscow on the division of the Caspian Sea and now does not interfere in the situation with the gas pipeline.

Another thing is the military-political aspect. The situation around Iran is seriously heating up, the countries of the region are increasing their naval power: Russia has two missile-carrying warships, Iran launched a new ship, Turkmenistan bought two boats from Russia of a similar class from Russia. In fact, we are witnessing the most genuine arms race in the Caspian. And this is quite understandable: the Caspian states have their own economic interests, and on the other hand, this region is the traditional sphere of interests of the major players.

In general, everything in the Caspian is very difficult. But I do not think that in the near future the situation will radically change. After all, a military conflict in this region is not beneficial to anyone.
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  1. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 5 May 2013 06: 18
    +3
    So everything turned out and fell into place. And then, so many copies were broken in two topics dedicated to the "base" in Aktau ...
    But as the saying goes: "It's good that ends well." On which I congratulate you ... smile
    1. vilenich
      vilenich 5 May 2013 06: 57
      +3
      Quote: Chicot 1
      But as the saying goes: "It's good that ends well." On which I congratulate you ...

      Yes, wait a minute, nothing ended, this is just one of the views on the problem.
      For some reason, the article is worried by the phrase:
      The main idea of ​​the Istanbul process is precisely to start the peace process in Afghanistan, to stabilize the situation there through economic relations, and development of transport corridors is one of the keys to the successful implementation of this idea.

      No matter how these corridors come to us sideways!
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 5 May 2013 10: 10
        +3
        As if to us these corridors would not come out sideways! [/ Quote]
        Yes, Vitaliy there is probably some truth here. The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline has already pulled off some of the oil that had previously been transit through Russia. The Kars-Tbilisi-Baku branch will also probably pull off some of the railway transit through Russia. Well, if it is built Trans-Caspian gas or oil pipeline will also be a loss of transit through Russia. For me, the negative point is that there will be a transshipment to Aktau from the railway to ships and there will be great opportunities for drug trafficking, because the cargo is transit and not subject to inspection. I think the people responsible for drug trafficking not fools and use this opportunity to the fullest, because it is much easier and more effective than dragging drugs across five borders.
        1. avt
          avt 5 May 2013 10: 24
          +3
          [quote = semurg] How would these corridors not come out sideways to us! [/ quote] [/ quote]
          That is a corridor, not a dead end. Once again I urge you to pay attention to the desire of Amers to internalize the Volga-Don Canal. Then the chain closes and real meaning appears in Aktau. I believe and am convinced that it is from this perspective that all informational stuffing in the Caspian should be considered. Then they really get into the Caspian with both feet and will not stir up childishly. Then they tightly enter the Black Sea, these are no longer separate approaches and maneuvers, this is a long-term, permanent presence.
    2. Trailer
      Trailer 5 May 2013 08: 51
      16
      Especially for the site mates - I just took a photo from a window (Aktau). NATO does not smell. Sea - 200 meters to the right. It smells rather hot in the summer and Easter cakes. So, all with Happy Easter. Everything will be fine!
    3. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 5 May 2013 09: 10
      +3
      Quote: Chicot 1
      And then, so many copies were broken in two topics dedicated to the "base" in Aktau ...

      smile
      Compare:

      The Ministry of Emergency Situations of Russia began to build a base of the Ministry of Emergencies near the Serbian city of Nis. An agreement on this was reached during the visit of President Dmitry Medvedev to Belgrade in October 2009.


      Medvedev was accompanied on this trip by Sergei Shoigu, who explained about the construction of a new base: “Russian forces take part every year in fighting fires in the region, so having a well-equipped base in it will facilitate our tasks and make our work more efficient.”

      Sergei Shoigu is also the chairman of the intergovernmental commission on Russian-Serbian cooperation. In addition to Russian units, it is planned to deploy rescue teams from Bulgaria, Greece, Macedonia and Croatia at the new base.

      However, in the foreign press, the construction of the base caused a mixed reaction. Some newspapers called it a dual-use facility and suggested that if necessary, it could be quickly converted into a military one. These rumors worried the local population. The object quickly became the source of a wide variety of rumors.

      The discussions around him suggest that it could serve as a pretext for a new cold war between Russia and the European Union, that this is a strategic step on the path to the implementation by the Russian leadership of its own plan for a European security treaty.

      http://www.serbia.ru/baza.htm
    4. воронов
      воронов 5 May 2013 20: 04
      +1
      Quote: Chicot 1
      Good that ends well

      Still just beginning
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 03: 24
        +2
        I’m retelling my old post, my attitude to the pacification of Afghanistan and the prospect of transport corridors, gentlemen, if you will hi : At this stage, the Russian Federation has large quantities of heroin from Afghanistan, because. the fight against opium poppy does not give the desired result (the expeditionary forces do not carry out the treatment of plantations with special herbicides and napalm bombings) Could it be that with the withdrawal of the Western coalition troops, the CSTO countries will also receive "export" of terrorism?
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 6 May 2013 03: 36
          +3
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          I’m retelling my old post,

          hi Aleksey hi I’ll do it about the same. -And how about recalling the term border on the castle? what
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 03: 56
            +1
            Hello Ruslan! (Already figured out WinniePuh?)))
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Border is locked tight
            This should be done first of all! + Well-equipped air group (to strike and reconnaissance) I would, in a good way, close all American embassies in the Central Asian republics and expel diplomats (read as spy-instigators) out. They are the main danger, they will bribe any bai, and where the money is not funneled and the "orange" can be admitted. And with the Taliban, yes, you can negotiate, only by technical methods. Powerful air strikes and shelling on the squares.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 May 2013 04: 04
              +2
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              (Already figured out WinniePooh?)))

              They breed like flies near honey - you will not have time to drive one away, as new ones fly out of the hollow and all the bears are straight wassat
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              , closed all American embassies in the Central Asian republics and sent diplomats

              Yaby personally went with a filthy broom only how to do it technically in a sovereign state what
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 04: 20
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                how to do it technically in a sovereign state
                Or can the SVR agents throw "spy stones" near their embassies wassat Here's a pretext. But seriously: Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, to put it mildly, are not the richest regions in the world. And to make them be loyal to Moscow, as well as to protect them from "bad influence" can only be a network of military cantonments of the Soviet army. the parties are scouring who will give more, and they take money from the USA and from the Russian Federation. laughing
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 6 May 2013 04: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  the only way to safeguard against "bad influence" is the network of military camps of the Soviet army.

                  Honestly, in this case I would prefer minefields and the Bruno spiral love bully
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 04: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    egoza
                    laughing Dear Elena, the members of the forum will not let go of such a dangerous task. She is needed here. And yes, I agree. To restore the Soviet-Afghan border, mine the border areas from the air from their side, plus MMG reinforced with helicopters. With "beards" of the current so request
            2. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 May 2013 04: 33
              +2
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              ! (Already figured out Winnie the Pooh?

              By the way, doesn’t it seem that we have too many of these Winnie Poohs and everyone wants to broadcast?
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 04: 47
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                too much
                request We have openness and freedom of speech, everyone, as they say, has the LAW. I can’t imagine how to deal with this in a public and such a popular forum, although usually I stupidly wrinkle my forehead on any problem and here it is fellow the answer is ready. I don’t know. We have publicity crying
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 6 May 2013 05: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  . I can’t imagine how to deal with this in a publicly accessible and such a popular forum,

                  Well, I have one of our mutual friend fool before entering in the emergency issued that my mission is to fight trolls am wassatIt must be somehow consistent request
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 05: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    our mutual friend
                    Well, isn’t Mr. N ......... one-click to solve all his problems bully ? I thought he was more democratic. I sympathize, I can imagine how difficult it is for you. Moreover, the forum has lost such bright and sparkling dialogues. I even thought you became friends, but then a "click" and that's it. But if you leave the site, you just don't as a participant, and the reader cannot see the comments in full? Oh, probably not. The server cannot be fooled, it's just that I'm "absolutely bad" in information technologies (I even publish through a stenographer wassat )
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 6 May 2013 05: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: Thunderbolt
                      Well, isn’t Mr. N ......... one-click to solve all his problems

                      The soul of Volodya could not stand laughing
                      Quote: Thunderbolt
                      I imagine how hard it is for you

                      Not that word sad I really wanted to kill ... yes, not myself fellow and with this question in response, but I thought-suddenly a fool would come to his senses and return love
                      Quote: Thunderbolt
                      I'm just "very bad" in information technologies (

                      I, too, go to bed without entertaining reading request
                      1. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 05: 29
                        +1
                        Incidentally, Mr. X is already a general. fellow I think you will be pleased with this message about a Friend)))
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 6 May 2013 05: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        Incidentally, Mr. X is already a general.

                        How will Burns-Log remain a log in both orders and ribbons wassat
                      3. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 05: 45
                        +1
                        And why don’t they give us rewards? Only titles.
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        How's Burns
                        A log is a log, for some reason it’s only floating against the current wassat
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 6 May 2013 05: 51
                        +2
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        , only floats for some reason against the tide

                        Well, let a piece of iron float for itself .. Romanov! Well, edit - as she swims what wassat
                      5. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 6 May 2013 05: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        Why don’t they give us rewards?

                        We do not serve for orders soldier drinks
  • Belogor
    Belogor 5 May 2013 06: 28
    +3
    Hmm, as they say, both yours and ours. All the same, it seems that there will be no base (in the full meaning of this concept) in Aktau. Although, there is no guarantee that it will not be in the Caspian, because There is also the Azerbaijani sector of the Caspian.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 5 May 2013 06: 48
    +2
    The NATO base in Aktau, given the current US policy against Iran, cannot but be alarming ... Yes, and Georgia, allied to amers, is nearby ... What do "good working relations" between Kazakhstan and Russia mean for amers, but nothing! Already insert "sticks in the wheels" mattress covers OX HOW they can ... hi But to be closer to the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline is not this, is that what they need ..?
    1. knn54
      knn54 5 May 2013 12: 06
      +1
      fenix57: The NATO base in Aktau with the current US policy against Iran cannot but alarm ...
      The bull's eye. From the Caspian side, Iran is practically defenseless. It is enough to drop the commandos on the coast ... and the road to Tehran is open.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 5 May 2013 06: 54
    +2
    they are stirring up something ... I didn’t understand if Kazakhstan is in the TS or what? is he whose ally? or Asian trick?
    1. bask
      bask 5 May 2013 07: 04
      +4
      Quote: andrei332809
      they are stirring up something ... I didn’t understand if Kazakhstan is in the TS or what? is he whose ally? or Asian trick?

      Happy namesake !!! CHRIST IS RISEN !!
      This is Andryukha probing public opinion. And the reaction of Russia ((if any))) on this issue.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 5 May 2013 07: 09
        +2
        Quote: bask
        CHRIST IS RISEN!!

        truly risen. healthy, Andryukh
        1. bask
          bask 5 May 2013 07: 22
          +3
          Great, great, my friend, have not crossed paths for a long time.
          Here is the news on the branch.http: //topwar.ru/27562-ob-aktivizacii-antisiriyskih-sil.html.
          But something of her being was removed from the main. How would our Syria .... not leaked ..
          The order to the Kremlin Zionists ((agents of influence)), I think, has already arrived.
          our AGENTS probably also sing hymns like Amer. The master is one ,,, Satan ,,,
    2. Ram chandra
      Ram chandra 5 May 2013 10: 36
      +1
      Lord .. and these are our allies ?! Roly, get up from the furnace eman!
    3. воронов
      воронов 5 May 2013 20: 09
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      Kazakhstan in the TS or how? whose is its ally? or Asian trick?

      Kazakhs take an example from the Kyrgyz and Uzbeks both yours and ours, but you can’t sit on the 2 chairs for a long time, the Kyrgyz have already jumped
  • Renat
    Renat 5 May 2013 07: 07
    +1
    You can not believe a single Amer word. How many times have you been deceived. Whose music is Nazarbayev playing?
  • Chavy
    Chavy 5 May 2013 07: 20
    +1
    Zionists need someone else. Israel wants to bomb Iran and it is necessary to prepare an attack from all sides. They agreed with Azerbaijan and Turkey, it remains to fuss in the north
  • fenix57
    fenix57 5 May 2013 07: 34
    +1
    Quote: Renat
    Whose music is Nazarbayev playing?


    "Kazakhstan will withdraw from any integration association that would infringe on its independence, President of the Republic Nursultan Nazarbayev said at the XNUMXth Eurasian Media Forum.

    “We are asked questions when we visit other countries:“ What kind of union is this? ”They are already talking about the fact that Russia is reassembling the empire and creating a new Soviet Union. This is the most complete absurdity. I want to clearly emphasize: Kazakhstan for all its history gained independence for the first time, our people for the first time felt the taste of freedom, independence, and we are not going to give this independence one iota to anyone. If any associations infringe upon the country's independence, our Constitution, we will immediately leave this organization and withdraw from it. others also think, we are talking about purely economic integration, "the Tengrinews portal quotes Nazarbayev.




    “That is why we, together with Russia and the Republic of Belarus, are carrying out preparatory work on the creation of the Eurasian Economic Union. Today there are politicians and experts in the world who look at our integration through clouded, frayed lenses of the Cold War era. These old optics actually distort reality. A stable economic area will be formed, "the head of state said
    " see http://www.regnum.ru/news/1653031.html,
    He is not playing - he is trying to conduct ... hi
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 5 May 2013 07: 38
    +5
    - It’s all about the transit of goods. Aktau is exactly the same transit base as, for example, the Russian Ulyanovsk. And there is no reason to believe that the status of this port will change if NATO cargoes are transported through Aktau. The President clearly said about the expansion of his transit potential, that is, this process is not political, but purely technological.
    I previously wrote that the Kazakhs do not do anything that we would do ourselves. Speak, Aktau may pose a threat to Russia's security. But Ulyanovsk does not threaten the security of Kazakhstan?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 5 May 2013 09: 02
    +2
    But how many diapers and toilet paper did they bring to Afghanistan ??
    That even the port of Aktau decided to remake the NATO transport hub ..... or not?
    After all, where you can’t read, everywhere there’s no talk about weapons and ammunition - they carry all the paper !!!
    1. SEM
      SEM 5 May 2013 09: 48
      +1
      This is a feature of the NATO army))) Hygiene is especially watched))) That we only carry bombs to the rocket)))
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 May 2013 09: 14
    +1
    First, transit, so that the public is not indignant, and then, when the passions subside, smoothly on an ongoing basis.
    1. SEM
      SEM 5 May 2013 09: 50
      +1
      It will soon be understood by everyone, only time will pass .....
  • ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 5 May 2013 09: 32
    0
    Quote: Karavan
    just took a photo from the window

    7th microdistrict?
  • SEM
    SEM 5 May 2013 09: 42
    +2
    Recently, everyone has been trying to speculate on various news, even if it’s knowingly false, they are simply probing the soil, but as it will actually be seen a little later, although hardly anyone wants to have another NATO base nearby.
  • rekrut
    rekrut 5 May 2013 10: 09
    +1
    It's just that the Kazakhs also decided to earn a little extra money, like our "beggars" officials.
  • albai
    albai 5 May 2013 10: 21
    0
    Quote: aszzz888
    First, transit, so that the public is not indignant, and then, when the passions subside, smoothly on an ongoing basis.
    I completely agree, the same thing happened in Kyrgyzstan. First, only the transport component, such as a jump airfield, with the solution of questions about the uncontrollability of all cargoes to customs, with diplomatic immunity of l / s, then a rapid increase in personnel (guards with automatic weapons) and light armored vehicles (Humvees with machine guns), then construction on the outskirts of the allocated territory of buildings of unknown purpose, (rumors about the "echelon" leaked out), forcing in the corrupt government the issue of allocating additional 200g land and a ready-made military base with the possibility of receiving, say, a military unit the size of a division. And it is clear why they need it. Amers are cunning in these matters and can solve (bribe) any problems that arise with the country's leadership without public participation. Which sucks.
  • v53993
    v53993 5 May 2013 10: 27
    0
    Base in Aktau? Base in Ulyanovsk? So it is even good from a military point, it is now even easier to swat them than a fly with a fly swatter. It would be nice to place the State Department in the suburbs so that they are at hand. As it is sung: "Come closer, closer ..."
  • fenix57
    fenix57 5 May 2013 10: 31
    0
    Quote: aszzz888
    First, transit, so that the public is not indignant, and then, when the passions subside, smoothly on an ongoing basis

    Transit implies the THROUGH MOVEMENT of goods through the territory of the state on the basis of bilateral (multilateral) agreements (Transit (Latin Trans, the preposition "through" "through" and the verb "trans + ire" "pass"> participle "transitum" past, passing). And blocking this movement is not difficult (if you wish! of course). Yesterday they wrote about this and a lot ...
    From 7.04.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX NATO Deputy Secretary of State declared transit through Ulyanovsk “too expensive”:"About too expensive transportation of goods by NATO countries in Afghanistan through a transshipment point in Ulyanovsk in an interview with the newspaper Kommersant this week, said NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow during a visit to Moscow.

    About the transportation of the first cargo at the beginning of February, Russian Permanent Representative to NATO Alexander Grushko spoke. According to him, a test flight with cargo from Afghanistan took place in December last year. There was no more transit of NATO cargo through Ulyanovsk. Answering the question when the transshipment point will work at full capacity, Vershbow said that the technical part is fully agreed and licensed, but the problem is with the commercial side. According to the representative of the alliance, NATO countries are currently studying financially more profitable alternative transport networks. As an example of an inexpensive option, he mentioned transit routes through Pakistan, closed some time ago, but recently reopened.
    " Full: http: //www.fondsk.ru/news/2013/04/07/zamgenseka-nato-objavil-
    tranzit-c
    herez-uljanovsk-slishkom-dorogim-19939.html

    And since Pakistan "scored" on this matter, the amers went to Kazakhstan ...
  • Tom230
    Tom230 5 May 2013 11: 00
    +7
    But my view from the window in the city of Aktau is really not visible to NATO. Happy holiday to all!
    1. marshes
      marshes 5 May 2013 12: 26
      +2
      Quote: Tom230
      But my view from the window in the city of Aktau is really not visible to NATO. Happy holiday to all!

      I wanted to go to the sea! smile
    2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 5 May 2013 18: 15
      0
      Where is this beauty?
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 5 May 2013 12: 12
    +2
    All this chatter, multi-vector politics, the transport component, the fight against traffic, assistance in the fight against the Taliban, etc. There is no need to be the seed of the spans in the forehead in order to understand with concrete examples that where the NATO bases appear, the region is gradually destabilizing, due to lies about the goals of the amers themselves, and due to the radicals. A gradual takeover of these regions is taking place. No need to hang noodles on your ears and look for good goals from NATO and the fool understands why these bases.
  • marshes
    marshes 5 May 2013 12: 38
    +1
    Yes, it’s clear that the Russians were worried, an alternative way of delivering goods. And then a lot of dough for transit is floating in the air, the desire to be a monopolist is understandable. And what they’re doing is to frighten a competitor who can offer a lower delivery rate, which means something less.
    A similar case of an attempt to transit Russian oil through Kazakhstan to China, then Transneft became worried.
  • 1goose3
    1goose3 5 May 2013 19: 40
    0
    Quote: SEM
    This is a feature of the NATO army))) Hygiene is especially watched)))


    Well no. Just fucked up! laughing