Three submarines will return to the Russian Navy after repair

“Technical readiness will be restored and the repair of the Smolensk nuclear submarine will be completed (project 949-A). After testing, the submarine will return to the submarine forces fleet”, He told ITAR-TASS.
"The nuclear multipurpose boats Tomsk (project 949-A) and Kuzbass (project 971) will return to the composition of the submarine forces of the Pacific Fleet," the Navy official said.

Now these submarines are undergoing repairs at the Far-Eastern ship-repair enterprises.

According to him, the main command of the Navy keeps under repair the issues of ship repair, which meets the requirements for maintaining the potential of the submarine component of the fleet at the proper level.

Comments

[Rustiger]

Aw, the good news! I hope the boats are modernized? Swim still. . .
Such news should be shown on all central channels, in prime time. Add a couple more new boats, then generally great. . .
Here you can boast of the results of the first year of "Shoigu in the Voivodeship".

[TRex]

Ships do not "float", but go ... This is the first thing. Secondly: three boats for the scale of the country are pitiful crumbs. With our level of production and repair, they will blabber for a couple of years (see the story with the "Nerpa"). Another would be to prepare the crews ...

[forward46]

What a couple of years ?! Well, you and the layman. Not knowing the situation - do not talk.

[TRex]

Ha! I had to shout: "What great news! Now let us show everyone Kuzka's mom!"
If you are so knowledgeable, tell me - can these boats even enter combat service at least in 2014?

[Rustiger]

Sorry and sorry, buddy Nikolai !!!
And what a date it is "Will these boats be able to enter combat service at least in 2014?". Hope that sooner. . . Believe me, very hotstsa. . . And you?
Criticism in the construct is welcomed from my side; whining, clicking and cheering patriotism - NO.

Quote: TRex

If you are so knowledgeable, tell me - can these boats even enter combat service at least in 2014?

I propose to grind together (in PM). . . .
/ Vadim S., Art. I article, BOD "Simferopol", Federation Council of the USSR (RF).

[crazyrom]

Quote: TRex

I had to shout: "What great news! Now let us show everyone Kuzka's mom!"

Yes, if it’s not very difficult for you. Thank!

[Rustiger]

Quote: TRex

Ships do not "float", but go ...

Ohhh, you, Nikolai, are a linguist!
And here I am an ignorant sailor, and did not know what to call correctly not "submarine", but "approach"; not "coastal / long distance / single /... swimming", but "single move"; not a floating base, but a floating ship; well, etc. It is important to stop in time. ... ... And send you here, in the comments.

http://topwar.ru/25821-vs-rf-sozdali-zadel-po-postavkam-oruzhiya-na-10-15-let-za
yavil-gerasimov.html #

There they have already rubbed out such turns of speech and the reasons for the emergence of such desires to show off knowledge in marine terminology "
Oh, hardened salted wolves are now pulling themselves up, and how they will "endow" an expert-linguist with abundant "minusyars" TRexa.
It was "first". And secondly, I know about the complete set of crews of current ships / boats only from the tyrnet. Better to clarify me those same "sea wolves" who are now in the ranks or have recently gone into the reserve.
My opinion would be boats / ships, and officers could come back, sailors and foremen will come from a civilian, there will be exits to the sea - in 4-5 years there will be midshipmen. . .

[ShturmKGB]

Okay, the old ones were modernized, and the new ones, when? is this really ".... three boats will take over duty in 2013 ..." that the news from the beginning of the year are shouting at the top of their lungs?

[Lord of the Sith]

It seems that you missed the news about new boats completely. Here on the site about new boats a lot of news.

[Geisenberg]

ShturmKGB

Okay, the old ones were modernized, and the new ones, when? is this really ".... three boats will take over duty in 2013 ..." that the news from the beginning of the year are shouting at the top of their lungs?

The new ones are 2 borea and ash, with the repair nothing to do ...

[Mhpv]

Let's first analyze:
1. "Tomsk" - Laid down at PO "Sevmash" (Severodvinsk) on August 27, 1991 under the serial number 663.
The administration of the Tomsk region took patronage of the ship, as a result of which on 13 of April 1993 the missile carrier was named Tomsk.
It was accepted into operation on 18 or 20 on July 1996, on 17 on March 1997 on the 1 fleet of the Northern Fleet.
In 1998, during the passage to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky along the Northern Sea Route, under the ice, the crew included Bishop Ignatius of Piotropavlovsk and Kamchatsky (Pologrudov), being a confessor and a ship priest.
Since October 9, 1998 has been part of the 10 submarine division of the Pacific Fleet, based in Vilyuchinsk, not far from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky (Rybachy village, Krasheninnikov Bay).
As of March 2009 of the year, Tomsk was part of the constant readiness forces. In some sources, the boat is mistakenly called K-442, K-526 or K-512.
Since 2010, it has been under repair in the city of Bolshoi Kamen at the Zvezda DVZ plant, due to a breakdown of the cooling installation at one of the reactors
2.K-410 "Smolensk". Building, name
The boat was laid down on December 9, 1986 at the Sevmash plant in Severodvinsk, launched on January 20, 1990 (according to other sources, on February 10, 1990), entered into the fleet on March 14, 1991 under the name K-410. On April 6, 1993 it received the name "Smolensk" in connection with the establishment of patronage over the submarine by the administration of Smolensk.
Milestones
In December, 1992 of the year received the Navy GK prize for rocket fire with long-range cruise missiles.
August 18 - September 14, 1993, the crew of the submarine transferred the Pl K-456 by the northern sea route under the ice of the Arctic from the North to the Pacific Fleet. The commander of the crew, Captain 1st Rank Arkady Petrovich Efanov, was awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation with the Gold Star medal for courage and heroism displayed during the performance of a special mission in conditions fraught with risk to life.
In 1993, 1994, 1998, she won the Navy Civil Code prize for missile shooting at sea targets.
In 1994, she completed the tasks of autonomous combat service in the Central Atlantic.
In 1995, she completed the tasks of autonomous combat service in the Sargasso Sea.
In June 1999 she took part in the West-99 exercise.
As of 2008, the year was in the combat structure of the Russian Navy.
3. K-419 Kuzbass is a Russian nuclear submarine of the 971U Schuka-B project.
[edit] History
February 20 1989 of the year was officially included in the lists of the USSR Navy.
28 July 1991 year, the laying of the ship at the shipyard them. Lenin Komsomol in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
18 May 1992 year launched. On February 5 of 1993 of the year it became part of the 45 DIPL of the 2 D PLF of the Pacific Fleet.
On April 13, 1993 it received the name "Morzh", and by the order of the Main Command of the Navy dated 27.02.1998/XNUMX/XNUMX it was given the name "Kuzbass".
In 1998 she successfully completed combat patrol missions. In 2001, the boat was repaired at the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "SVRTs" in the Seldevaya Bay. In 2007, the boat underwent emergency repairs in the city of Bolshoy Kamen. July 2008 - took part in the Pacific Fleet's Naval Parade in the Amur Bay.
Since the 2009 year, the boat has been under repair [1], which is planned to be completed by the end of the 2013 year. Currently, it is part of the 10-th DIPL 16-th EPL TOF.

These are far from old boats by naval standards, the Americans have even more age, so at the very time they should be commissioned and carry out combat missions.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: mhpv

It was accepted into operation on 18 or 20 on July 1996, on 17 on March 1997 on the 1 fleet of the Northern Fleet.
In 1998, during the passage to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky along the Northern Sea Route under the ice

Quote: mhpv

In December, 1992 of the year received the Navy GK prize for rocket fire with long-range cruise missiles.
August 18 - September 14, 1993, the crew of the submarine transferred the Pl K-456 by the northern sea route under the ice of the Arctic from the North to the Pacific Fleet. The commander of the crew, Captain 1st Rank Arkady Petrovich Efanov, was awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation with the Gold Star medal for courage and heroism displayed during the performance of a special mission in conditions fraught with risk to life.
In 1993, 1994, 1998, she won the Navy Civil Code prize for missile shooting at sea targets.
In 1994, she completed the tasks of autonomous combat service in the Central Atlantic.
In 1995, she completed the tasks of autonomous combat service in the Sargasso Sea.
In June 1999 she took part in the West-99 exercise.

How interesting.
It turns out screams about EBN, "drunken fleet", and about ships stuck at the piers in the "dashing nineties" - the usual LIE

In the 90 years, the Russian Navy regularly received new ships, regularly went on combat patrols to the Atlantic and the Sargasso Sea, and the situation was much better than now.

[postman]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

and the situation was much better than now.

I suggest you make a tablet in this format:
task date North F. PF awards (
encouragement)

I promise you'll be surprised

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Postman

I suggest you make a tablet in this format:
task date North F. Pacific Fleet awards (incentives)

Surely the list will include a Hero of Russia "for approbation of new technology", a medal "for going to sea", etc. However, it is not surprising if Ramzanchik received the Hero

The main thing is that the boats visited the Sargass Sea

[Artmark]

Yes, the news is great! It will also intensify with new ones and NATO members will think

[Geisenberg]

Quote: ArtMark

Yes, the news is great! It will also intensify with new ones and NATO members will think

In general, it would be necessary to count for the sunk Kursk, as for the sister ship 949 ...

[Rrv]

Quote: ArtMark

Yes, the news is great! It will also intensify with new ones and NATO members will think

This is not bad news, but there are big doubts about the "NATO members will think":

Firstly, economics and politics are driving us now, and we have problems with this - production and modernization with innovations are in a well-known place, and the country's leadership can be easily suspected of treason.

Secondly - here: www.vpk-news.ru/articles/14103 You can certainly take into account the US declaration to reduce funding for the army and the army itself, but until I see it, I won’t believe it.
And we must understand that these are only states - what can we say about NATO.

Here's more:

[NauruS]

but where are the yars, mobile and mine, where is the mace? some kind of old picture you have!

[Rrv]

The figure of the 9th year - indicated in the lower right corner - and the data, of course, are quite approximate.

But the bottom line is that the United States, and even more so NATO, in terms of quantity (quality is difficult to say) of armaments, is much superior to us and saying that the NATO members will think about what they had not thought about before - means flattering ourselves.
Or do you think that the situation has changed a lot since the 9th year?

And you are familiar with this version: izvestia.ru/news/505532

And with this: kprf.ru/crisis/edros/107548.html

Despite news such as this, there’s nothing much to rejoice about.

[MG42]

Old pictures >>>
On Thursday, April 4, the US State Department released data on US nuclear weapons.

According to the data obtained as a result of the exchange between the US and Russia on the number of strategic offensive arms in accordance with the provisions of the new START treaty, as of March 1, 2013, the United States had a total of 792 deployed intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), ballistic missiles in submarines (SLBM) and heavy bombers (TB). The number of such weapons in Russia was 492.

As of March 1, the United States had 1654 nuclear warheads deployed on ICBMs, SLBMs and TB. Russia had 1480 nuclear warheads on the same carriers.

The United States had a total of 1028 deployed and non-deployed launchers of ICBMs, SLBMs, and also heavy bombers. As of March 1, there were 900 units in Russia.

Recall, at the summit on nuclear deterrence held in February, Acting First Deputy Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Rose Gottemoeller said that the United States would like to enter into negotiations with Russia to reduce all types of nuclear weapons, including non-strategic ones.
Based on materials: Interfax
The United States also has a lot of things becoming obsolete ...

[Rrv]

Quote: MG42

The United States also has a lot of things becoming obsolete ...

The fact is, but we are leading in this matter, and as I wrote above, we have a number of areas of interaction in which the states are clearly superior to us.

And given the entry into the WTO and the very likely negative impact of this action on defense, it’s worth it to be very wary.

[MG42]

Earlier, speaking of plans for 2012, the Strategic Missile Forces command announced its intention to begin work on rearmament to the Yars missile system in two formations - Novosibirsk and Kozelsky. “In the future, the Yars missile system is planned to rearm another series of missile units,” the commander said. - Thus, in recent years the share of modern weapons in the Strategic Missile Forces increased to 30 percent. In the future, the qualitative characteristics of the Strategic Missile Forces group will be improved by equipping with modern models of missile weapons, using the latest means of overcoming missile defense created under the State Armament Program for 2011–2020. ”
http://texnomaniya.ru/voennaya-texnika/mobilnie-kompleksi-jars-postupajut-v-vojj
ska.html

[Rrv]

So far, these are declarations of intent, and how much they take into account the capabilities of the economy and the defense industry is completely unclear.

We have relative nuclear parity with the United States, but not with NATO: it is clear that no one wants a nuclear war, but in the event of a serious mess, the two states in full, or in several dozen in part, may well donate. And therefore, in the event of a mess, we must have the potential guaranteed ability to destroy not only the enemy, but in general all life.
Now we do not have such an opportunity, and in the foreseeable decade it is not expected.

[MG42]

Quote: RRV

So far, these are declarations of intent, and how much they take into account the capabilities of the economy and the defense industry is completely unclear.

Why the declaration, the complexes have already entered service here is a video for 2011

[Rrv]

Quote: MG42

Why the declaration, the complexes have already entered service here is a video for 2011

I know.

Quote: MG42

Thus, in recent years [b] the share of modern weapons in the Strategic Missile Forces has increased to 30 percent

Recent years are the last 10 years. Thus, while maintaining the same rearmament rate (and the rate is unlikely to increase - izvestia.ru/news/505532), in 20 years we will have a share of modern weapons in the region of 70% (the current 30% are already outdated) - and this is favorable conditions.

If we take into account the negative consequences of joining the WTO, as well as a lot of less significant negative factors (for example, corruption, degradation of scientific, technical and military education), then the likelihood of favorable conditions definitely decreases - hence the "declaration of intent": to want to rearm is completely does not mean that it can be done.

[MG42]

Quote: RRV

corruption, degradation of scientific, technical and military education), then the likelihood of favorable conditions definitely decreases - hence the "declaration of intent": wanting to rearm does not mean that it will be possible to do it.

Corruption, I wonder what country in the world it is not .. degradation, you will listen to you like this "boss truncated about the disappeared !!!", you must surrender.

[Rrv]

MG, you read my first post of this discussion? The only thing I said is that to experience puppy delight about this, uniquely positive news, at least imprudently.

Corruption exists everywhere, but on the scale that we have? Where did I say to surrender?

Are you happy about the rearmament of the Strategic Missile Forces? Me too, but I cannot ignore probable problems.
I have already explained to you that with the current vector of socio-economic development of the country, it will take at least 70 years to re-equip the Strategic Missile Forces by 20% - and this without increasing the amount of armaments to the level guaranteeing absolute parity.
But it could be another way — the armaments will be reduced by 2 times from the current volume and after 5 years they will report to us that the Strategic Missile Forces update is 100% complete (in any case, this is exactly what happens in the social sphere, when underestimating the real cost of living allows to say that we have only 13% of the population below the poverty line).

The questions that we raised are systemic, in isolation from economics, politics, education, etc. they cannot be considered. And seriously speaking, as I wrote above, we have no special reason for joy. If you operate with the categories of cheers-patriotism - then yes, everything is great:

[MG42]

Quote: RRV

The only thing I said is that to experience puppy delight about this, uniquely positive news, at least imprudently.

And here the "puppy delight" is just that you are already skeptical in advance, no matter how positive the news is, and you are showing not quite "new" numbers.

Quote: RRV

And seriously speaking, as I wrote above, we have no special reason for joy. If you operate with the categories of cheers-patriotism - then yes, everything is great:

well, everything is clear, you can not continue >>> we are on different planes.

[Rrv]

Quote: MG42

And here is <puppy delight>

Quote: ArtMark

Yes, the news is great! It will also intensify with new ones and NATO members will think

Very reminiscent of the aforementioned delight.

Quote: MG42

it’s just that you are already skeptical in advance no matter how positive the news is

Skepticism and a real view of the situation in such matters are much preferable to jingoism.

[MG42]

Yes, what is the real look? you yourself consider your subjective opinion objective. at the same time, having specially slapped old numbers about nuclear potential ...

[Rrv]

And what do we have, the numbers have changed dramatically? It seems not, but for example, approximate figures of the 9th year are suitable.

In this case, you are considering specific facts of the arrival of new and modernization of old weapons, and I am trying to see the situation as a whole.
I don’t know if you followed my links, but if not, don’t be too lazy to read - there is something to think about: kprf.ru/crisis/edros/107548.html

[MG42]

Quote: RRV

I don’t know if you followed my links, but if not, don’t be too lazy to read - there is something to think about: kprf.ru/crisis/edros/107548.html

Even I am not a Russian kprf.ru = this is the site of the Communist Party of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation >>> is headed by Comrade Zyuganov, he naturally needs to criticize the authorities in order to score points in the electoral field, how can you talk about objectivity on PARTY sites? Do you work for Zyuganov ?, then everything is clear.

[Rrv]

I am becoming more and more convinced that most Zaputinists (if not all at all) not only base their own conclusions on a system of their own beliefs, but not on an analysis of real facts, they also suffer from paranoia. )))

Have you read the article? Did you see the name of the author? Who is Katasonov you know?
It never occurred to you that the choice of a site can determine the length of the link address, and not something else?

Dear comrade zyu, by the way, quite successfully, along with the girly catcher, serves the interests of the current Power.

In general, think - Google and logic will help you.

[1goose3]

Three submarines will return to the Russian Navy after repair

The dream of the Americans, who dreamed and insisted in every way and contributed to the cutting of the hulls of our nuclear submarines, did not come true.
So RUSSIA FORWARD !!!

[Ruslan_F38]

I hope not only these, but also other more modern new submarines will soon enter service. Plus article clearly!

[Trailer]

The main thing is that with missiles!

[Megatron]

Are these the same titanium ones?

[TRex]

Well no. Tungsten with gilding.

[slavik_gross]

Shoigu needs to be driven and periodically given to catch up with contractors, and we can plant someone no matter what they steal ... And then ships and new ones will go for repair ...

[ronin]

Interestingly, has anyone watched google map for a long time? Though last year’s photo, it leads to certain thoughts. Especially when you count the number of ships and submarines.

[ronin]

There were three Typhoons. Yandex also has it, but with a lower resolution. Secret probably

[Sgt.]

Great news! These are the best atomic submarines of the third generation!

Submarines of Antey Project 949A are a series of Soviet and Russian nuclear submarines (SSGNs) armed with P-700 Granite cruise missiles and designed to destroy aircraft carrier strike formations. According to NATO classification - "Oscar-II". The project is a modification of 949 "Granite".
In 1982-1996, 11 of the 18 planned ships were built, one boat was lost, the construction of two (K-139 and K-135) was mothballed, the rest were canceled.
During the middle compartments in the side containers outside the strong hull there are 24 3M-45 missiles of the P-700 Granit complex, which are the main weapons of boats. Torpedo armament is represented by six bow torpedo tubes: 2 × 650 mm and 4 × 533 mm. Ammunition includes 8-12 missile torpedoes and torpedoes of 650 mm caliber and 16 torpedoes of 533 mm caliber.
In December 2011, RIA Novosti, citing a source in the military-industrial complex, announced that a modernization project had been developed at the Rubin Central Design Bureau. It is planned to replace Granit missiles with more modern Onyx missiles, as well as equipping submarines with the Caliber missile system. Modification of launch containers is planned, without reworking the hull. Submarine armament replacement with SF will be carried out at the Zvyozdochka plant, and TF at the Zvezda plant.

Submarines of project 971 "Pike-B" (NATO designation - "Akula") - a series of Soviet multipurpose nuclear submarines of the third generation, designed according to the same technical specifications as titanium boats of project 945 "Barracuda", but with a steel hull. Built in 1983-2004, the Shchuki-B became the main type of multipurpose nuclear submarines in the Russian fleet, replacing the obsolete boats of Project 671 RTMK Schuka.
"Pike-B" is equipped with a torpedo-missile system, which includes 4 torpedo tubes of caliber 650 mm and 4 torpedo tubes of caliber 533 mm, ammunition is 40 units, including 12 caliber 650 mm and 28 caliber 533 mm.
As ammunition of caliber 650 mm can be used: torpedoes 65-76, anti-submarine missile systems PLRK-6 "Waterfall" and PLRK-7 "Wind" with the possibility of installing a nuclear charge.
533 mm caliber devices are equipped with the Grinda torpedo preparation system and can use torpedoes, in particular UGST deep-sea torpedoes and USET-80 electric homing torpedoes, missile torpedoes (APR-ZM type), M5 Shkval submarine missiles, C- cruise missiles 10 "Grenade" with a nuclear warhead, designed to destroy aircraft carriers anti-submarine guided missiles (PLUR) model 83P. It is also possible to set both conventional and self-transporting mines through torpedo tubes.
The armament complex used allows the Shchukam-B to fight submarines and surface ships, as well as hit ground targets with high-precision cruise missiles.
Compared to third-generation boats, the Pike-B surpasses all similar projects both in stealth and in armament. Some experts compare Pike-B not with a direct competitor - the American project Improved Los Angeles, but with much more advanced Sivulf and Virginia projects. So, Admiral Jeremy Burda, who was the chief of the operational headquarters of the US Navy in 1994-1996, noted that American ships were unable to detect the Pike-B, traveling at a speed of 6-9 knots, that is, low-noise project 971 boats correspond fourth generation boat options. The Cat Series is capable of unnoticed overcoming the SOSUS submarine detection system, which at one time created many problems for Soviet submariners.

[avt]

And the loaves are still with "Granites" or is it something like "Onyx"? But it's still good.

[understudy]

Three times to Him the Kingdom of Heaven ... Was the Commander of the Army ... General Koven, the smartest man "from the plow." He prevented the offensive of an entire tank army in a "mess" ... Well, okay, who knows, he will understand.
When the reduction of the armed forces began, and the amers became frequent with the manifestation of controlling and other friendly feelings ... asks the ROCKET brigade commander, - How much do you have in your state?
- 12 launchers.
- And on the list?
- 18!
- Let's hide?
________________________________________
To the depths of my soul, I hope that we still have something that can be made a little public from what was previously hidden !!! Well, in another way ... the USSR bins are inexhaustible!

[Retx]

I support, I really want to know what else is left in the conservation for restoration ...

[navy33]

I welcome everyone! and the news on the modernization and armament of the Fleet is more and more joyful and joyful! keep it up!

[gland]

Nothing people ... hen on the grain! So we will collect, and we will improve something for the evil of the adversaries, so that evil thoughts do not arise! We are going the right way! how much they fear, so much respect!

[Zeus]

What a beautiful boat

[Vtel]

The more we surrender, the more we will receive! The armor is strong and our boats are fast. Hello to Kuzbass, Tomsk Smolensk.

[jagdpanzer]

even if not new, but even bread, people work, sailors experience, professionals do not lose their skills.

[Mhpv]

Pr 949A-Atei
In August-October of 1999, the boat participated in an autonomous expedition to the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea, before which it performed “excellent” rocket firing for the prize of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy.
The campaign of the Kursk nuclear submarine was carried out according to the plan and under the control of the commander of the KSF, Admiral Popov V. A., who gave him the following description: “The commander of Kursk was able to fully realize our plan. The ship secretly broke into the Mediterranean Sea through Gibraltar. It was not a breakthrough, but a song! ”[Source not specified 95 days]
"Kursk" conducted covert surveillance of the Sixth Fleet of the US Navy in the Mediterranean, including the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt, whose aircraft attacked Serbia during the NATO operation against Yugoslavia [3]. During the Mediterranean campaign, Kursk worked out 5 conditional attacks on real targets [2]. As a result of the campaign, 72 crew members were presented to government awards.
The sudden appearance in the Mediterranean Sea of ​​the latest “killer aircraft carrier” caused a panic in the ranks of the 6-th fleet of the United States. Anti-submarine forces of all the Mediterranean countries of NATO were involved in the search for Kursk ... [source not specified 95 days]
However, K-141 just as suddenly disappears, as it appeared, inflicting a crushing blow to American vanity. Several chiefs at once, including the commander of the anti-submarine defense of the Gibraltar zone, are losing their posts, and Kursk and its commander are in fact elevated to the rank of "personal enemies of America" ​​[source not specified 95 days]. Submarine commander presented to the title of Hero of Russia.
From white paper [4]:
In the course of the performance of military service tasks in the Mediterranean, the Kursk APC operated under the overwhelming superiority of the antisubmarine forces of a potential enemy. Fulfilled the task of observing enemy carrier-based strike multi-purpose groups. He monitored them and made a search along the way for the nuclear submarines of foreign states, while maintaining secrecy and combat stability. Following the results of the combat service, 72 crew members are presented for government awards. The captain of the 1 rank G. Lyachin is presented to the title of Hero of Russia. APRK "Kursk" recognized as the best submarine of the SF. The governor of the Murmansk region awarded the commander of the ship prize "The best submarine of the Northern Fleet."
Eternal memory to hero sailors!
And the boats of this project are a big headache for the Americans.
Seven feet to them under the keel and tailwind!

[Rrv]

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[Mhpv]

You don’t really trust CNN, they could watch this episode, because Putin, like PR949A boats, was and is also a headache for the West, so they are ready to do anything to discredit it in the eyes of the people.

[Grishka100watt]

You don’t really trust CNN, they could watch this episode, because Putin, like PR949A boats, was and is also a headache for the West, so they are ready to do anything to discredit it in the eyes of the people.

Duck, he does the same thing.

[Rrv]

Quote: mhpv

they could mount this episode

In the absence of a rebuttal from Putin or Peskov himself, your assumption looks, to put it mildly, sucked out of your finger.

because Putin was and is the headache of the West, so they are ready to do anything to justify him in the eyes of the people.

But this grandmother said in two, and again - where is the refutation?

[Mhpv]

That's when you become president then and decide to refute or confirm. We are all big-headed for others to decide, however, you and I are not presidents.
There is a concept as a state secret and it’s not for us to decide how to keep it, or you think that there were no such disasters in the west or they covered it with might and main, then ask the Americans and the British to admit that Toledo and Memphis were doing there and why they hid so secretly in the docks after the tragedy.
If you do not like Putin, win the election and become president and see where you will tell the truth and where to be silent.

[Rrv]

Quote: mhpv

That's when you become president then and decide to refute or confirm. We are all big-headed for others to decide, however, you and I are not presidents.

And you didn’t mix up - who, whom, and for what purpose elects? Or is the country already an absolute monarchy?
Or, in your belief system, the fact that the absence of a refutation of any action means the presence of this action is heresy?

There is a concept as a state secret and it’s not for us to decide how to keep it, or you think that there were no such disasters in the west or they covered it with might and main, then ask the Americans and the British to admit that Toledo and Memphis were doing there and why they hid so secretly in the docks after the tragedy.

The fact that Putin did not actually say this is, in your opinion, a state secret - did I understand correctly?
Or is the fact of torpedoing the Kursk nuclear submarine by an American submarine a state secret? If the latter, then let me ask - and WHAT COUNTRY's state secret is this fact?

If you do not like Putin, win the election and become president and see where you will tell the truth and where to be silent.

It’s just interesting - in the fact that Pu was appointed by EBN, doesn’t it bother you either?

[Mhpv]

In general, you have nothing to answer.
Throwing bits of phrases is not the answer.

Quote: RRV

It’s just interesting - in the fact that Pu was appointed by EBN, doesn’t it bother you either?

You are by no means a fan of attending performances like this.
In your opinion, Putin should have entered the Kremlin like an EBN in a tank, do not be naive.
I don’t understand at all, you say that you trust CNN and that’s all, you started the conversation from this, I don’t trust and all this is my opinion.
Well then, watch the Frenchman's film "Kursk-submarine in troubled water", you will like how the west flew to save the guys with the language of the whole world, and then read V. Shigin "APRK Kursk" and compare the information, a good topic for thought.

[Rrv]

By no means, I answered you, but you prefer to believe that CNN allegedly falsified this moment of the interview, although there is no reason for such a belief.

Well, believe me, if you feel like it, it will be great if you are right, and this is really fake.

[Grishka100watt]

The impression that you are in order to lay out these 2 pictures and started this whole conversation.
Did you look for them or were there any blanks?

Here, bring any topic to Putin. Do not be angry, gentlemen, do not be angry!

[Rrv]

You are confused in a causal relationship - first I uploaded the pictures, and the conversation started afterwards.

And the topic ... Like it or not, any topic in the system "politics-economy-society" will be reduced to the vector of movement dictated by the current Power, and therefore to the personification of this Power - to Putin.

[luka095]

Good thing they come back.

[gispanec]

if I understand correctly, then 1 loaf goes to the SF, and the other and the pike to the Pacific Fleet ?? ..... it's nice to hear, we need to strengthen the tail.

[VohaAhov]

Quote: TRex

Secondly: three boats for the scale of the country are pitiful crumbs. With our level of production and repair, they will blabber for a couple of years (see the story with the "Nerpa"). Another would be to prepare the crews ...

In addition, after repair and modernization, the Vladikavkaz diesel-electric submarine should be included in the fleet. Do not forget that this year they promise to build 3 nuclear submarines of project 955 and 1 nuclear submarine of the Severodvinsk type. In total, we get at least 8 units in plus. In total, we have about 70 boats, that is, somewhere around 12% of the payroll. And it pleases.

[lexa333]

good but not enough.

[il grand casino]

We would also like in this picture, according to the elder brother to each Antei))) But in general the news can not but rejoice

[Mhpv]

[media = / http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = NI-3zMee0s4 & feature = player_embedded]
This is how National Geographic, a unique popular scientific geographical magazine, the official publication of the National Geographic Society (USA), rejoiced in the destruction of the Typhoon, not without the help of NTV.
So it’s better news like in the article than such as this.

[il grand casino]

And how not to rejoice when your opponent in front of your eyes destroys his weapon ... yes, he probably thanks for the funds allocated for this ...