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Why has it become fashionable to discuss the Stalinist modernization of the economy?

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The farther into stories the so-called Stalinist times remain, the more in Russia there is a desire to discuss on the topic of the economic industrialization breakthrough that was observed in the Soviet Union in the thirties and early forties of the 20 century. The principal question here is why the “Stalinist economy” is being discussed with such eagerness and activity precisely at the present time. Why rarely was industrialization recalled in 90 and early 2000?


This question does not have a definite answer, but you can speculate on this topic. One of the reasons for the manifestation of interest in the development of the USSR economy of the 70-80-year-old sample is that statistical agencies have presented to us in recent years. The data of various kinds of economic monitoring suggests that with all the huge industrial and raw material potentials of Russia, the level of economic development declared today is, to put it mildly, not very impressive. The annual growth of the economy at the level of 3,5% with forecasts of a decline to 2,6% at the end of the current year is not adequate for the opportunities that a country like Russia has. People (both economic specialists and ordinary people) no longer understand why the level of annual GDP growth in those countries whose production develops mainly due to Russian energy resources is often significantly higher than the corresponding figure in Russia itself. People cease to understand why lately the bet has again been placed not on the development of the real economic sector, but on “Kudrinomics”. “Kudrinomics” is an economy based on total savings in every sense of the word: a frighteningly large percentage of budget revenues goes not to the opening of new jobs and enterprises in the production sphere, but to fill the “airbag”, which, as the global crisis has shown, it saves, perhaps, large banks and oligarchic circles that use public funds for their own purposes.

Naturally, some stagnation in today's Russian economic sector gives rise to a desire to look back and evaluate why the Soviet Union of the 30 era showed truly incredible economic growth rates, and modern Russia with far greater opportunities has to be content with 3% -nial addition.

Why has it become fashionable to discuss the Stalinist modernization of the economy?


To assess the economic growth of the industrialization era, it’s enough to look at the figures that were published by both domestic and foreign researchers of the history of the USSR economy of the Stalin era. The data presented in the publications of the well-known foreign editions of the Financial Times (Great Britain), Nation (USA) should be given at least so that readers do not think that the coverage is carried out exclusively from a one-sided position - on the basis of reports that their time was put on the Stalinist table by people responsible for translating the plans of the first Soviet five-year plans into reality.

So, according to the results of the first five-year plan alone (1928-1932 years), published in the above-mentioned publications, the industrial sector in the USSR grew by 96-97%! This is an incredible figure, which in annual terms corresponds to almost 19% growth. Such figures seem to be just astronomical, if only because over the past 7-8 years we have been consistently “treated” with data on Chinese growth, where 11-12% industrial output growth per year is almost a world record. However, the history of economics suggests that world records in this area do not belong to China at all ... 19% growth of industry per year is the figures of the USSR, which certain gentlemen would not like to make public, but ...

It is noteworthy that the industrialization plans of the first Soviet five-year plan, which a modern liberal economist could well be called populist, were not only fulfilled, but also executed on 8-9 months ahead of time! Well, in order to be somewhat clearer in approaching modern realities, you can give an example: imagine that all the Olympic facilities in Sochi, together with infrastructure projects, would have been implemented a couple of months ago (in February 2013), and the new stadium of FC Zenit in St. Petersburg should have been put into operation back in 2009, and with the level of costs that was originally registered in the budget ... It's hard to imagine, is it not ...

Someone will certainly say that it is foolish and unreasonable to compare the situation in the Stalinist and modern Russian economies, since in the industrialization era completely different methods were used than today: the use of actually slave labor and everything in this spirit. However, the words about total “slave labor”, which was allegedly used everywhere in the USSR, are now being questioned. Doubts on this score are intensified after familiarization with the historical materials of the Western press, which clearly did not have much respect for the USSR at the end of 20-x and the beginning of 30-s, in order to accuse it of covering the facts necessary for the USSR. For example, the Austrian newspaper “Neue Freie Presse” in 1930-1932 was engaged in a detailed coverage of Soviet industrialization, sending its journalists to work in the USSR literally on watch. Here is the data from the material that was published by the Austrian edition at the beginning of 30's:

The labor of prisoners in the USSR is used poorly. The main reason for the refusal of the Soviet authorities from the labor of prisoners during the first five-year plan is to study the materials of the experience of tsarist Russia, according to which forced labor cannot provide a substantial percentage of economic growth.


Just a couple of phrases of Austrian researchers of the Soviet experience of industrialization debunks several myths at once. The first myth is that the success of the first five-year plans consisted only in the use of prison labor. The second myth is that the new Soviet economy did not take into account the financial and economic experience of the Russian Empire. The understatement (or better to say: complete silence) on these topics in Soviet publications caused the “terrible truth” to emerge, according to which the Soviet economic model was boiled in its own juice, resorting exclusively to the labor of Labor Code.

Returning to the results of the same 1-th five-year plan in the USSR, you need to provide data on the number of industrial enterprises that were running in the country. Over the years from 1928 to 1932, more than 1400 industrial facilities were opened in various republics of the USSR: metallurgical plants, tractor plants and automobile factories. If in the 1927 year, the unemployment rate in the USSR was about 12% of the number of workers and employees (in absolute numbers - 1,24 million people), then already in 1931, industrialization activities could provide jobs to 90% of Soviet citizens from the specified number.

Naturally, speaking of the Stalinist economy of the epoch of the first five-year plan, one cannot but mention its flaws. Positive industrial plan hid problems in terms of domestic. There were big problems in providing citizens with housing, food, sanitation and hygiene items, clothes. There were almost no plans for the development of the domestic pharmacological direction, which led to an enormous percentage of infant mortality. However, it cannot be said that this is an exclusively Stalinist economy. These problems were inherited by the Soviet Union, so to speak, by inheritance. Although this unenviable legacy is also skillfully pushed into the background by current liberal historians and economists with the clear goal of "exposing the anti-human nature" of the Soviet economic model.

At the same time, few people say that if during the first Soviet five-year plan, in addition to a huge industrial breakthrough (steel production growth by 140%, oil production growth by 184%, increase in electric energy production by 3 times, 9 times, an increase in the number of units produced by vehicles - almost 30 times) would have been a social jerk, then we could even pray for the Soviet economy. So it turns out that the simultaneous rapid development of social projects with the rapid development of the manufacturing sector can only be in economic fairy tales.

Proceeding from this, it turns out that the determining factor in the inhibition of industrial development in modern Russia can be precisely the social environment: inflated wages and pensions with low labor productivity. Well, at least the same Mr. Kudrin, who exposes himself as some kind of economic messiah of modern Russia, is trying to convey just such a thought. But other economists (and in the Russian Federation there are other specialists in this matter besides Aleksey Leonidovich) state that the reasons for stagnation in the real sector are clearly not associated with the social policy of the state. Well, in fact, what kind of social policy that is hindering industrial growth can be discussed, for example, in Ingushetia or the Chechen Republic, where only official statistics expose 30-45% unemployment ... And what kind of social brake is the real sector of the Russian economy it is possible to talk if indicators of decent average wages in production are manifested only “due to” the fact that the leaders of these enterprises receive ten times more for their work than ordinary workers: turner or welder - 15 thousand per month, d Director, his deputies, assistants, accountants - for 70-100 thousand per month, which on average corresponds to “decent” 50 thousand rubles. But a good average salary at this plant, ”say those people to whom the corresponding report lays down on the table ... Maybe that’s why their productivity there is lame there, that workers are rowing along“ 50 thousand rubles, ”the same responsible people will say, isn’t it? to make cuts ... Further, a rhetorical question: the growth of whose wages at the enterprise is artificially slowed down: a director with a chief accountant or a turner with a welder? ..

It turns out that the social brake for the rapid development of the Russian economy is another myth that is beneficial to use for a certain circle of people. Far more obvious cause of problems with growth is corruption and excessive attachment of the Russian economy to foreign capital. The fact that such affection is present can be seen at least in the direction of investments in the Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund. So, the funds of these funds are held exclusively in foreign currency (dollars, pounds sterling and euros). So whose well-being support these funds? - a question to which in the epoch of the formation of the Soviet economy there was a definite answer. There is this answer today, but for some reason, any publications on this issue are being transferred to the regime that someone with these publications allegedly wants to strike at the prestige of Russia ... Well, if investing in the American and European economies at the prestige of Russia is in no way they do not beat, but talk about these investments is beaten, then ...

It is the dubious search for "scapegoats" in the downturn in the country's economic indicators by the "leading economists" and are forcing Russians to increasingly look to 30's industrialization spurts. Of course, the methods of those years, the ordinary citizen is not inclined to take into account, as he is not inclined to take into account the ideological component of the Stalinist industrialization, but the numbers are a stubborn thing. They are the ones who make you scratch your head in thought about how it was possible to transform a country into a world-class industrial giant in such a short period of time from virtually nothing. Whether these thoughts are ready to make the current Russian work with the productivity with which his grandfathers and great-grandfathers worked is a separate question. It is obvious that you and I have become so accustomed to life in a consumer society that no desire to launch a new industrial revolution will force us to abandon the benefits that we have. Having sat down on a consumer igloo, it’s difficult, continuing to use dubious jargon, to get off ... But the figures of the Stalinist economic era still force us to distract from our credit histories and think that if we wanted we would (bottom) hoo if they (top ) also hooh ... But the fact of the matter is that it is much easier to nostalgic for the times in which we did not even live than to make an industrial breakthrough, although at a single workplace ...
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  1. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. 6 May 2013 06: 17 New
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    Whatever they say, but Stalin and his Politburo, firstly, were not corrupted, and secondly, they were able to physically and mentally manage breakthrough technologies, create science, design bureaus, etc. Now what? How much has Chubais “ineffectively invested” again?
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 6 May 2013 06: 45 New
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      Quote: Nikolai S.
      and his political bureau, firstly, were not corrupt,

      Well, let's say they also stole on a grand scale. The difference is that at the same time they also lifted the country many times more abruptly than they grabbed
      1. bask
        bask 6 May 2013 07: 13 New
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        EVERYONE more often recalls the legacy: THE GREAT LEADER AND TEACHER Comrade JOSEPH VISSARIONOVICH STALIN.
        We need to study his works on politics and economics. Without the legacy of Stalin, we, like, “blind kittens do not know where to go,”
        It is necessary to study the legacy of the Great Teacher and bring them to life. !!!
        1. Combitor
          Combitor 6 May 2013 07: 54 New
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          There isn't much to learn now. Just read the Criminal Code of that time and apply it to all those who have entrenched themselves in the Kremlin, who are part of the so-called "vertical of power", to all these characters of constant media reports on corruption in the government and government bodies. Surnames are on everyone's lips.
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta 6 May 2013 10: 10 New
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            Quote: Kombitor
            who dug in the Kremlin

            Quote: Kombitor
            Surnames are at everyone's ears.

            name the names of those who dug in the Kremlin. Prokhorov and Chubais, for example, didn’t dug in the Kremlin, Serdyukov wasn’t in the Kremlin either. then name the names of those who dug in the Kremlin. just don’t be shy, I remember your comments and already know who you’ll name, but I want to voiced them again here.
            1. Combitor
              Combitor 6 May 2013 11: 20 New
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              And to remind fools once again, only to waste their time. Face your present person, Mr. John three volts. You’re hiding for some kind of clown. Exactly - only three-volt volts in your head have accumulated.
              1. djon3volta
                djon3volta 6 May 2013 11: 25 New
                +3
                mind the great Commander, I didn’t get personal, and didn’t call you what you call me. I have already been called by many people, and even I’ve used obscenities.
                well, so what are the names you are hinting about? or are you afraid? write if you are not afraid of the names of those who have entrenched in the Kremlin. even those who are always minusers are afraid to write entrenched in the Kremlin.
            2. Heccrbq
              Heccrbq 6 May 2013 11: 39 New
              +3
              In the search engine, type - the composition of the government of the Russian Federation, they are all there drinks
            3. baltika-18
              baltika-18 6 May 2013 16: 06 New
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              Quote: djon3volta
              What are the names of those who dug in the Kremlin.

              Presidential administration, assistants: Golikova, Fursenko, Trutnev, Nabiulina, adviser Levitin, deputies Peskov, Volodin.
              Government: Shuvalov, Dvorkovich, Kozak, Surkov.
              This is a memory without resorting to Internet services.
            4. Alekseev
              Alekseev 6 May 2013 19: 16 New
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              And where did Serdyukov dig in?
              But did Chubais nano dig himself or was it dug by nano? lol
          2. Azzzwer
            Azzzwer 6 May 2013 21: 15 New
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            Quote: Kombitor
            Yes, and now it is necessary to study not so much. Just read the Criminal Code of that time and apply it to all those who dug in the Kremlin
            so I would gladly exchange the Criminal Code of that time to the directorate of the enterprise where I am in slavery !!!
        2. Gari
          Gari 6 May 2013 11: 23 New
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          Quote: bask
          EVERYONE more often recalls the legacy: THE GREAT LEADER AND TEACHER Comrade JOSEPH VISSARIONOVICH STALIN.


          I personally cannot feel anything other than the greatest admiration for this truly great man, the father of his country, who rules the fate of his country in times of peace and the victorious defender of it during the war.

          Prime Minister of Great Britain W. Churchill

          Speech in the House of Commons on the next anniversary of the October Revolution

          November 7 1945 years
        3. aksakal
          aksakal 6 May 2013 12: 01 New
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          Quote: bask
          EVERYONE more often recalls the legacy: THE GREAT LEADER AND TEACHER Comrade JOSEPH VISSARIONOVICH STALIN. We need to study his works on politics and economics. Without Stalin’s heritage, we, like, blind kittens don’t know where to go, We need to study the legacy of the Great Teacher and bring them to life. !!!

          - Yesterday I talked with a smart person about this just. Have you heard of such a term - "glabalization and globalization processes"? I'm sure you've heard. And you even know that for twenty years so-called. "antiglobalists" are fighting this phenomenon and will never win. What does "globalization" mean? This means - all the slightest production will be controlled by global TNCs. Production of toothpaste - by "KOLGATE", building materials - "Knauf", etc. (I once worked as a manufacturer of Kazakhstani toothpaste, very good, SEVERAL MINT was called, so before my eyes they could not compete with this KOLGATE - too different weight categories). The further process of globalization will lead to the fact that the local (in the sense of the local, controlled by the entrepreneur and belonging to him, living in the given territory) industry will disappear, only such production will remain - well, there are perishable products such as "live beer" or something like that. The rest will either perish or go under global TNCs.
          There are three ways out. The first is not to resist globalization, what is lost is lost. The computer market is completely lost, the remnants in the form of a "T-platform" you can see for yourself what methods are being achieved. But to try to bring their best non-raw materials (raw materials already exist, thank God) companies to global TNCs - and the Russians have them only in the military-industrial complex. That Almaz-Antey, Sukhoi, Irkut, UVZ and other fraternity. To build up and help them in everything as much as possible, especially in the development of specialized civilian products - aircraft, tractors, wagons, radars for civil aviation, avionics and others. In this case, Russia will become a part of the global world and will be represented in this global world by its global players.
          The second is just the experience of Stalin. We are building the Iron Curtain - in another way, as you already understood, we can’t do it all over again, strictly according to Stalin, we can improve somewhere, maybe shoot less less. Personally, I’m struggling, you can, of course, dream and shout that:
          Quote: bask
          Without the legacy of Stalin, we like ,, blind kittens don’t know where to go ,,

          and even from nostalgic motives I will support you. But if you look critically, I’m messing around.
          The third way out is to fight for the planet Earth in a peaceful sense, for the territory for "our globalization". That is, to help the "anti-globalists" as much as possible to suspend the processes of globalization, to sharply accelerate the integration processes on the Eurasian continent and to launch their own globalization project in this area. Existing global TNCs should not be allowed there, even under pain of arms, until their analogous TNCs in the given territory are strengthened and even then support them. This project is somehow to my liking, especially since nature does not tolerate monopoly and therefore will not shake the single center of globalization (and it is in Anglo-Saxony), that is, a split will happen some time after the end of globalization, but how will the split line pass - dont clear. Wouldn't it be better to take control of this right away? I like the third way, but only this way threatens a large-scale war - it's one hundred percent. No one will tolerate when your TNCs are kicked out and establish their own rules there. Look at Venezuela - they won't leave her alone for love. And Cuba too. And Evo Morales will peck for love.
      2. Narkom
        Narkom 6 May 2013 07: 20 New
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        And what was the possession of the people's commissars?
      3. omsbon
        omsbon 6 May 2013 07: 53 New
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        Quote: Ruslan67
        Well, let's say they also stole on a grand scale

        Very interesting statement.
        There were no suicides in the Stalinist circle; stealing a bullet in the back of the head instead of a house arrest is not a very attractive prospect.
      4. Egoza
        Egoza 6 May 2013 08: 00 New
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        Quote: Nikolai S.
        Stalin and his political bureau, firstly, were not corrupt

        Quote: Ruslan67
        Well, let's say they also stole on a grand scale

        Can you give specific examples of theft in the Politburo?
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 6 May 2013 09: 04 New
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          Quote: Egoza
          specific examples of theft in the Politburo can lead?

          Dear Fidget, I am surprised at your question specifically to me. NOT corrupt - this means that they did NOT steal, they did NOT take bribes. Compared to today's time.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 6 May 2013 10: 57 New
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            Dear Nicholas! The question is not for you, but for Ruslan 67. I simply inserted your quote so that two mutually exclusive statements could be seen.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 May 2013 15: 17 New
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              Quote: Egoza
              Egoza

              Quote: Egoza
              and to Ruslan 67.

              The Leninist Guard, which remained in power until the age of 37, grabbed civilian houses. They didn’t have any mansions abroad, but the current oligarchs lived here as children. Corruption and theft are not only bribes and bills abroad The difference is that when they buried they leaned against the wall and not put under house arrest hi
      5. dizelniy
        dizelniy 6 May 2013 08: 52 New
        +8
        I strongly doubt that they stole the Politburo under Stalin. It is necessary to read the materials of those years.
      6. antidote
        antidote 6 May 2013 09: 27 New
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        Tell me where and how they stole. Specifically, surnames, numbers, etc. Or it just seems so to you. And why they had to steal (nomenclature). They have a high level of security, cars., Salaries. And if something they had super- then it was immediately cut off with the owner
      7. antidote
        antidote 6 May 2013 09: 27 New
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        For some reason, my avatar appears under a striped flag.
        1. avt
          avt 6 May 2013 10: 52 New
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          Quote: antidot
          For some reason, my avatar appears under a striped flag.

          Lured for permanent residence laughing Or maybe they issued a black mark? laughing
        2. smile
          smile 6 May 2013 17: 12 New
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          antidote
          Be sure to check your passport - whether it has changed, if not - everything is in order, you are not perceived by the flag ... :)))
      8. avt
        avt 6 May 2013 10: 21 New
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        Quote: Ruslan67
        Well, let's say they also stole on a grand scale

        Stupidity deigned to blur in the liberoid version. Stalin's People's Commissars were the real oligarchs, not the current nouveau riche-the riches. They really turned over huge resources and did things on which the fate of the countries and the World depended. Only with the loss of the top of the party of faith in their own ideology did they generate the theft of late Brezhnev and Gorbachev.
        1. nnz226
          nnz226 6 May 2013 12: 35 New
          +5
          Not the Stalinist People's Commissars, but the remnants of the "Leninist Guard": Dybenki, and others on the list. Those grabbed in the years of Civil and NEP, and tried to reign already under Stalin, when he began industrialization. So we went either to the basements, or by stage. Recall the case of the first Marshal of the USSR V. Blucher: it was imputed - the collapse of military activities in the Far East in front of the threat of Japanese intervention (the battles on Lake Khasan showed this, and the marshal was taken) + this is the very "rushing".
          1. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 6 May 2013 17: 05 New
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            Hey mister, if you persecute a blizzard, then at least with a precise rash, And according to HASAN, when the first parts of the ODE arrived, the first order was to urgently arrive to military topographers what would it be, You do not know and I do not know, But after the conflict, Blucher's first enemy appeared, the Commissioner of the Border security, No one knows the documents of that time, But he found something, the scandal was quickly hushed up, the Commissioner was recalled to Moscow, now it’s hard to find out anything but there was clearly a provocation from both sides, He was not in vain checking the binding of the border, The battles were very heavy, from our side was aggravated by the lack of roads, one was unpaved and walked very far from the border, settlements two times and miscalculated, the troops walked slowly very tired, but on the contrary a good network of roads cascade strengthened the areas, but we were able to stop and after and drive the Japanese away, But the tanks simply became the taiga and hills not for them, There were also flaws in the management of hostilities, After the battles were conducted, debriefing was strengthened, the management established a clear connection with the border and with Oyskami, For the first time, plans were developed to cover the border with troops, The interaction between troops and border guards was worked out, Each commander knew what to do in this or that case, After provocations were but they quickly came to naught, Too quickly the Japanese began to get in the teeth who like, By the way Japanese the generals praised Blucher's efforts in interrogations after the war with JAPAN, If it was a collapse, then I was with both hands, For information there were troops in Primorye, but without an order from MOSCOW they did not move into the conflict zone, Blucher broke this installation too, He managed to prove that the center is very far away and the clock decides everything. Interestingly, do not forget. The army was not drafted in the full sense of the word. When he reported at the General Staff conference about these decisions, the question was one what the Japanese were doing, the answer had calmed down, it was the COVERAGE PLAN that started to apply. Throughout the country, So he was not a lord, And Dybenko was not enough lord to lie yap Once the earth holds such
            1. polly
              polly 6 May 2013 21: 44 New
              +1
              Dear igor.borov775, Lake Hassan and the surrounding heights are only 10 km from the shores of the Pacific Ocean and 130 km in a straight line from Vladivostok. This is the southernmost part of Primorye. The heights offer a magnificent view of the Gulf of Posiet and Tikhaya Bay.
              Here, the area is a narrow coastal strip, then it is entirely marshy and low-lying. Traffic on it is possible only on a few country roads and trails. Over this marshy plain towered a few hills that dominated the area and gave a good overview. A line of the state border ran along the peaks of two of them - Zaozernaya and neighboring Bezymyannaya. The terrain in the area of ​​Lake Khasan significantly impeded the maneuverability of parts of the Red Banner Far Eastern Front. Immediately beyond Zaozernaya and Bezymyannaya is the lake itself, stretched for 4,5 km from north to south, along the border. Thus, both hills are separated from the rest of Soviet territory by a relatively wide water barrier, which can be bypassed on the way to the hills only in the immediate vicinity of the border along two very narrow corridors. This gave the Japanese great advantages. The Japanese counted on the fact that marshland and a limited number of roads will not allow the Soviet command to make wide use of tanks and artillery. I always thought so, I don’t understand only where is the taiga that prevented the tanks? I know more or less the Khasansky district. Yes, there are lynxes near Barabash now, and then when you pass passes and leave for Slavyanka (Blucher station), what taiga? Correct me if I'm wrong. Here is the vicinity of Slavyanka: the ocean is very close to the right, and this beauty is many kilometers to the other side.
      9. nnz226
        nnz226 6 May 2013 12: 29 New
        +6
        Those who stole on a grand scale usually sat down very quickly (at best), or even the execution cellars descended. Cool, but discipline! Having taken the place, the next director was usually imbued with the "bitter fate" of the previous one and, if he began to steal, then not immediately, with a glance, and "within reasonable limits" ... But to look at the ever-memorable Chubais: and the people were stripped to the bone, and RAOES ruined , and again something moves. If such a thing was not lowered into the basement, it would have been possible to send some collapsed collective farm to raise it (to train on cats), and immediately to the State Corporation. That's the problem! Again, there is a wonderful phrase by L. Kaganovich (Stalin's associate): "Every accident has a surname, name, patronymic!" I will not talk about the methods of searching for these names in the 30s, although there are a lot of real ones in nonsense, but informational pornography on the investigation of cases in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation leads to gloomy thoughts. Yes, and you can read what remained after Stalin's death from his belongings, and compare with the "legacy" of Leonid Brezhnev, the now living Mikhail Gorbachev ... so that "they stole on a grand scale" (about the Stalinist Politburo) is not convincing ...
      10. OTTO
        OTTO 6 May 2013 14: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Well, let's say they also stole on a grand scale

        I don’t remember that one of them had mansions abroad
        1. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 6 May 2013 17: 10 New
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          Are you the oligarchs living in them? You don’t understand
        2. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 6 May 2013 17: 41 New
          +3
          20g a country in the collapse of more than one whole city, Virtually illiterate who remembers how many literate people were in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, Miser to the main population, And how many homeless children were after the revolution where they went, I am surprised by IVANS who do not remember kinship, What else surprises them demand, They practically from birth have been using what the revolution gave and shouting badly Let's see, 1 Equal rights to everyone regardless of gender and creed, Prenatal and postnatal leave with payment, Free medicine including maternity hospital, Free education in schools and kindergartens, Free higher education can be listed for a long time, Now we are being pushed hard to where the country got out with so much difficulty, Do not believe me, say what has been done so great that outweighs all the gains of the revolution
      11. builder74
        builder74 6 May 2013 19: 10 New
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        Quote: Ruslan67
        Well, let's say they also stole on a grand scale
        Really? If there are facts, share, because I never heard that. And the life of Stalin makes you doubt your words.
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 6 May 2013 19: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: builder74
          .A life of Stalin makes you doubt your words.

          Actually, this is not about Stalin. And his entourage didn’t live in communal apartments, didn’t ride on a tram and didn’t rest on six hundred square meters. They’re just stealing from the state, and then they lived at his expense request
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 6 May 2013 20: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Actually, this is not about Stalin. And his entourage didn’t live in communal apartments, didn’t ride on a tram and didn’t rest on six hundred square meters. They’re just stealing from the state, and then they lived at his expense


            When the daughter grew a little, Nadezhda (wife I.V. Stalin) (nevertheless went to work, then began to study at the Industrial Academy, choosing the specialty of a chemist in synthetic fiber. Her fellow practitioners did not even suspect that she was Stalin's wife, so Nadezhda never advertised this. She tried not to stand out among other students - modestly dressed, went to the academy by tram (one of her letters preserved her "report" to her husband: "The mood of the public (in trams and in other public places) is tolerable - they buzz, but not evil").
            http://www.x-libri.ru/elib/prudn000/00000130.htm
            And not so much against such a background all the others walked around.

            In February 1926, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR adopted two decrees. "On the working conditions of employees employed at home at the employer (domestic workers) work on personal service of the employer and his family." And - “On the procedure for admission of housekeepers living at home with the employer to medical institutions and mother and child’s homes. So the word "housemaids" arose.
            Union statistics from 1934 show that 72 percent of employers are employees. And 24 percent are workers! The working class in the Soviet country kept a servant. In the thirties.
            http://mospravda.ru/home/article/taina_domrabotnic_v_rossii

            Although not a communal apartment, but when an outsider lives in the apartment, this is no longer a separate apartment. And many simply did not want to turn into a woman sitting with children. WORK AND LEARN WAS PRESTIGIOUS!
            And to relax - even simple workaholics - could afford to relax in sanatoriums on the sea, and the service was also at a high level.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 May 2013 23: 19 New
              +1
              Do not idealize everything request In the Stalinist circle there were also those little things! and probably they didn’t understand me very well, among other things, I noticed that they were raising the country, but they didn’t forget their loved ones either. There weren’t ascetics among them. But there wasn’t that total impudence as now the whole thing is in proportion hi
              1. MG42
                MG42 7 May 2013 01: 45 New
                +4
                Quote: Ruslan67
                In the Stalinist circle there were also those little things!
                The king is made by the retinue. Stalin was ascetic, i.e. how ascetic Stalin was in clothes, so he was in the atmosphere >>>, and the retinue was afraid to steal because the laws were not liberal, they did not stand on ceremony for a long time, and the organs were working, even the walls have ears, this has not yet affected the ideology. ...
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Well, let's say they also stole on a grand scale

                Not proven by you specific facts are needed and links are desirable.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 7 May 2013 02: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: MG42
                  specific facts are needed and references are desired.

                  There is no criminal case, then there is no theft? And those whom only enemies of the people spanked wassat Half if not more repressed or for bribes or for theft request The rest are for gouging and conspiracy negative I got so many minuses here that it’s already interesting, is it a fanatical faith or what? I myself have great respect for that generation of leaders, but I do not believe in their crystal clearness! And if there is no data on the members of the Central Committee and the Politburo, this does not mean that there was nothing; Otherwise, it will turn out that all are innocent or spies
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 7 May 2013 02: 18 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    I got so many minuses here

                    Well, I’ll put a plus, apparently the people simply don’t see significant evidence.
                    1. Kaa
                      Kaa 7 May 2013 02: 49 New
                      +5
                      Quote: MG42
                      people simply do not see strong evidence.
                      The "special folder of the Politburo" (a whole archive, not literally a folder) was passed from hand to hand to the first persons. To be honest, I would not even want to look into it ...
          2. Anti
            Anti 7 May 2013 02: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: Ruslan67
            And his environment didn’t live in communal apartments. He didn’t ride on a tram.


            Yeah, holders of state secrets and on a tram or communal fool
  2. mosgeo1
    mosgeo1 6 May 2013 06: 30 New
    28
    For 20 years after the Revolution, the USSR turned into a world power that defeated fascism. For a little over 20 years "perestroika" from world leaders turned into a third-rate country that miraculously did not collapse completely. What is there to argue about?
    1. Gari
      Gari 6 May 2013 11: 46 New
      10
      The revolution of the USSR turned into a world power that defeated fascism. [/ quote]

      Only carefully read:
      So, according to the results of the first five-year plan alone (1928-1932), published in the above-mentioned publications, the industrial sector in the USSR grew by 96-97%! This is an incredible figure, which on an annualized basis corresponds to almost 19% growth.
      After all, after the revolution and civil war, there was complete chaos and devastation, illiterate and rural people, people did not know what a light bulb was, and homeless children

      The war is on, and already there was a detailed program for the restoration of the destroyed economy determined by the decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks of August 21, 1943 "On urgent measures to restore the national economy in areas liberated from German occupiers." This decision was successfully implemented. The revival of the ruins of the front-line and especially liberated cities and villages, rendering assistance to the population became the most important task of the Communist Party and the Soviet government.
      Significant funds were allocated for the restoration of the national economy.

      The revival of the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station was attended by 120 industrial enterprises of 53 cities.

      In October 1944, the Volkhov Hydroelectric Power Station, the first-born of Soviet energy, which supplied electricity to the industry of Leningrad, was restored to full capacity, and by the end of the war, the Shterovskaya, Zuevskaya and Novomoskovskaya power plants. In 1945, 93 enterprises out of 95 restored enterprises began to produce machine-building products in Ukraine alone. By the end of the war, 7,5 thousand large industrial enterprises were restored in the liberated regions.
      Railroad workers with the assistance of workers and employees of other sectors of the national economy only in 1943 and 1944, restored and brought into action from above. 43 thousand km of railways. Over tens of thousands of kilometers, railway bridges, station buildings, and residential buildings for workers and employees were restored.
      Thanks to the daily care of the party and the state, already during the war, residential buildings in cities with a total area of ​​24,8 million square meters were built and restored in the liberated areas. m and in rural areas - 1,4 million residential buildings

      The pre-war school network was restored - over 28,6 thousand schools, almost all higher education institutions

      And ours have not reached Berlin yet

      The heroic efforts of the working people to revive the war-damaged national economy made it possible in 1950 to reach the pre-war level of agricultural production. In these successes the strength and fortress of the collective farm system and the socialist system of economy were again manifested.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 6 May 2013 12: 00 New
        +8
        Not a single state after such destruction could restore economic potential at such a time. Not a single worker would work for a private trader with the same return. The only bad thing is that the authorities after Stalin only did what they deceived the people, and secretly profited. Nevertheless, socialism, state ownership of all large and monopolistic enterprises, is the best economic approach.
    2. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 6 May 2013 22: 52 New
      +2
      there’s no reason to argue. such a great country with enormous potential and such unlimited potential \\\\\\\ and was already going to Mars and people for the most part were gold and it’s so inept at one moment to lose everything eh, there are no words it’s insulting how I recall direct anger takes away these perestroika so that they ... ((but the truth will be thought over for more than 20 years and nothing new has been done on a large scale marking aimlessly in place and eating up the USSR’s resource, but it’s not infinite
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 6 May 2013 07: 52 New
    +1
    If they stole, then little by little and imperceptibly. It’s now every day in the news they talk about billions of dollars in losses, but before it was doubtful that this would happen. But still in the 1920s and 1930s, we made a great breakthrough, lagging behind developed countries at first for many years.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 6 May 2013 08: 11 New
      12
      Quote: Deniska999
      But still in the 1920s and 1930s, we made a great breakthrough, lagging behind developed countries at first for many years.

      People are arguing about the economy, but they forget about the main thing - about upbringing and the SPIRIT of that time! About enthusiasm, faith and dedication to your state, which was supposed to become the BEST IN THE WORLD! And during the war how? For three weeks in the destroyed workshops, they carried out construction, set up machines, and began to produce new weapons! The myths about the "criminal regime" will continue to proliferate, because the growth of the current economy looks very unprofitable against the background of economic growth under I.V. Stalin. Will people work with the same enthusiasm? I think they will ... if they see that they work for their own state, and the state, in turn, thinks about their well-being, which can grow thanks to the work of the people themselves. In general, I do not understand what the "vertical of power" means, which is spoken about in all the former republics of the USSR. In my opinion, we have everywhere not a vertical, but a pyramid MMM
    2. nnz226
      nnz226 6 May 2013 12: 39 New
      +3
      Moreover, the NKID and the NKVT (Vneshtorg) conducted foreign policy so that the Western world that hated the USSR with a joyful screech delivered ready-made factories, samples of the latest military equipment, new technologies and other, and other, and other, and other, and other ... And now? In addition to mumbling at the UN and other Euroboltologies, what are these ministries doing now? Why is the West, sitting in a crisis, not driving new plants and technologies into an already democratic Russia?
      1. RDS-1
        RDS-1 6 May 2013 15: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: nnz226
        Moreover, the NKID and the NKVT (Vneshtorg) conducted foreign policy so that the Western world that hated the USSR with a joyful screech delivered ready-made factories, samples of the latest military equipment, new technologies and other, and other, and other ...

        The fact that Westerners supplied technologies and means of production to the USSR is of no particular merit from Vneshtorg. The "masters of the world," you see, themselves were vitally interested in ensuring that Guderian's tanks did not accidentally reach the Urals without a single scratch. Fighting with someone else's hands and winning with someone else's blood is a common Anglo-Saxon strategy, Roosevelt, for example, without any false modesty said that if Germany wins, the United States will help the Soviets, and if the Soviets, then Germany.

        No miracles, they just needed Germany and the Soviet Union to have enough strength to fight for as long as possible and to exhaust and bleed each other more strongly in the coming war. For this very purpose, for example, in the early 30s of the 20th century, Ford established production in the USSR at the Gorky Automobile Plant, and his accomplice Rockefeller at the same time bought a German Opel with giblets (and had production is a very immodest gesheft, by the way).

        And by the way, the current lack of technology pumping in Russia suggests that we are not considered as a "bull-calf for the slaughter", but rather, on the contrary, they are quite seriously afraid of getting sniffed again.
        1. Dima67
          Dima67 6 May 2013 16: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: RDS-1
          And by the way, the current lack of technology pumping in Russia suggests that we are not considered as a "bull-calf for the slaughter", but rather, on the contrary, they are quite seriously afraid of getting sniffed again.
          The question is quite controversial, considering how much we are reckoned with in this world.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 7 May 2013 00: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: Dima67
            And by the way, the current lack of technology pumping in Russia suggests that we are not considered as a "bull-calf for the slaughter", but rather, on the contrary, they are quite seriously afraid of getting sniffed again. The question is quite controversial, considering how much we are considered in this world
            - Well, to be afraid and not to be considered at the same time is completely compatible. And this is actually so. Argue about what the argument is not at all. Exactly this: the United States fears the potential of Russia and therefore impedes the supply of technology (refusal to sell Opel, Alitalia, attack on T-platforms, other facts?) And at the same time does not really consider it. In any case, this was quite bright with EBN. Now they are considered more, they haven’t climbed into Syria and anything else, but not as much as Russia deserves.
        2. Atash
          Atash 6 May 2013 17: 32 New
          +1
          Stalin's industrialization fell in time to the Great Depression. The idle industry of the West tore orders with his hands.
        3. luka095
          luka095 6 May 2013 23: 43 New
          +1
          "To fight with someone else's hands and win with someone else's blood is a common Anglo-Saxon strategy. Roosevelt, for example, said without any false modesty that if Germany wins, the United States will help the Soviets, and if the Soviets, then Germany."
          Forced to correct, this was not said by Roosevelt, but G. Trumen, while still a senator.
      2. Dima67
        Dima67 6 May 2013 15: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: nnz226
        Moreover, the NKID and the NKVT (Vneshtorg) conducted foreign policy so that the Western world that hated the USSR with a joyful screech delivered ready-made factories, samples of the latest military equipment, new technologies and other, and other, and other, and other, and other ... And now? In addition to mumbling at the UN and other Euroboltologies, what are these ministries doing now? Why is the West, sitting in a crisis, not driving new plants and technologies into an already democratic Russia?

        Let’s talk, we’ll take our souls away, and then how, knowing how today's realities were? Hard and sad
      3. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 6 May 2013 18: 16 New
        +2
        Everything is very simple during the crisis. China invested almost a trillion green in its economy. In 2009, China announced the construction of new factories not just with the latest technology. As a result, the whole of Europe, together with AMERICA, lined up CHINA to show their plants. Everywhere, the crisis needs to be lived, Stopped old enterprises obsolete technologies, They were simply demolished, The newest choices were built on the site of the old, Not many years passed and here the result is China becoming the strongest economy, So China has disposed of its savings as we all know, Now the new leadership of China has set the task, Increase domestic demand is really a difficult task, it seems to me that they will cope with this task, and we will stagnate, The most interesting thing is that CHINA has acted against everything that is interpreted and predicted by Mr. Kudrin and his company in our government, China has not collapsed collapsed and all the nonsense that Kudrin was carrying made the CHINESE smile, and the TV show with the President made it clear that nothing had changed they’re going and don’t want to, Kudrin rubbed himself there for nothing; he smiles like a star in the sky, nods importantly and the whole show danced around him, Bottom line, Liberals are held in high esteem for them, everything is fine only in our country, for ordinary people,
  4. Canep
    Canep 6 May 2013 08: 21 New
    10
    all Olympic facilities in Sochi together with infrastructure projects would have been implemented a couple of months ago (in February 2013), and the new Zenit stadium in St. Petersburg should have been put into operation back in 2009, and with that level costs which was originally registered in the estimate ...

    This is in my opinion the best argument in favor of the Stalinist economy, in comparison with the capitalist one.
    Under Stalin, Serdyukov would have already been shot, and all relatives would have been sent to explore Siberia for life.
    1. Dmitry_2013
      Dmitry_2013 6 May 2013 09: 09 New
      +7
      There was one drawback in the Stalinist way of governing - it was Stalin himself. The leader did not, and everything went off the intended course; no one replaced him. And who is to blame? Who to shoot?
      PS each person is unique, and do not sharpen all control under one single
      1. antidote
        antidote 6 May 2013 09: 29 New
        +2
        That's why it was removed to change course.
        1. Dmitry_2013
          Dmitry_2013 6 May 2013 09: 47 New
          +2
          The whole system should not be built on 1 single person. There must be a team. Otherwise, 1 will build, and the rest will be stolen under the pretext of perestroika and modernization. And also pluralism of opinions. laughing
          1. Rrv
            Rrv 6 May 2013 10: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Dmitry_2013
            The whole system should not be built on 1 single person. There must be a team.


            In any case, there is a team; it is simply unrealistic to do everything alone. But what is really needed is the real mechanisms of control by society.
      2. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 6 May 2013 23: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Dmitry_2013
        do not sharpen all control under one single

        SO THAT'S THE CASE AND THAT IT HE HAD ATTEMPTED TO DO SO THAT THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN GRADUATED UNDER IDEOLOGY !!! THAT IS UNDER THE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC COURSE OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE STATE!
  5. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 6 May 2013 08: 46 New
    -13
    I have a very ambiguous attitude towards Stalin. If the Unknown depicted Khrushchev from two black and white halves, then Stalin, in my understanding, in black and white speck, a kind of political smallpox on his face.
    Lenin could not correlate his health reserves with his political ambitions, and opened Stalin the path to power. The fact that any revolution ends with a thermidor, now knows any student. Therefore, the destruction by Stalin of other political leaders of the country cannot be blamed for him, otherwise one of these leaders would still have done this work, and among those destroyed would have been Stalin himself.
    Until 1928, the RSFSR developed as an agrarian country and tried to accumulate funds in the agricultural sector for industrialization. That is, he did what the countries of Europe already did in the 19th century, and what tsarist Russia should have done in the same 19th century, but did not. By the 30s, it had become quite clear that the Versailles peace was unstable and would certainly lead to a new war. We needed a fast, efficient industrialization of the country. Money could be taken only in agriculture, from the middle peasants who had just begun to grow rich. The quick construction of factories could only be accomplished by force. One has to agree that a repressive domestic policy was the only one possible. Hence the violent collectivization and labor camps under
    the construction of the flagships of the economy. Repression and loss of life became a tribute to the industrial backwardness of the country in anticipation of the impending war.
    However, Stalin did not know how, or did not want, to dose repressions in scale and direction. Hence the completely unnecessary destruction of the technical intelligentsia, the remnants of the nobility and the clergy. It is completely unacceptable that repression, not limited to the top of the army, went into its depths. The destruction of one part of the army’s command staff and the bringing into fear and complete prostration of another part of the army significantly weakened the combat potential of the army. As a result, the personnel army during the first two months of the war lost all equipment, was defeated and captured. Near Moscow and Stalingrad, people called up for mobilization had already fought, who were insufficiently trained and not sufficiently armed. Glory to these soldiers who created our Victory.
    Therefore, Stalin is personally responsible for unjustified and senseless repressions in
    the people and the army, for the defeat of the first year of the war, but should be acquitted for the forcible industrialization of the country, because these victims were not meaningless.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 6 May 2013 11: 27 New
      0
      expert.ru/2012/05/12/kulachestvo-kak-klass/

      metrolog.org.ua/whoserved
    2. Dima67
      Dima67 6 May 2013 15: 37 New
      +3
      Check out state films about Stalin and the USSR of the 40s. It is difficult to suspect mattresses as being too sympathetic to the USSR.
    3. Begemot
      Begemot 6 May 2013 16: 26 New
      +4
      Khrushchev’s blah blah blah about IP. Read carefully and, preferably, different sources, so as not to repeat other people's speculation, but to form your opinion. The heirs made a monster out of it, so as not to be responsible for their misconduct themselves. IP was not an angel and times were cruel, he inherited a country like sour mash: at the top rot, betrayal, Comintern crooks, group interests, concessions with kickbacks, in the army - conspiracy and gouging, in the economy - NEP (about the same as now, only without oil and natural resources), and he had only 8 years to prepare for an imminent war. Does anyone in this situation have other recipes besides total sterilization and filtration? And he didn’t have it!
  6. knn54
    knn54 6 May 2013 08: 59 New
    +6
    For more than 30 years, the West, through its proteges, including “agents of influence” in the Central Committee of the CPSU, has destroyed the foundations of the Stalinist economy. I always want to ask the haters of that economy - WHY did it bother you so much if it was "unsustainable" ???
    It’s time to return to the Leader’s Ideas in a soldier’s greatcoat! Without an Idea, we have no future.
    PS I have a vague suspicion that the main reason for not joining the TS is the unwillingness of SOME people to grow parsley in Magadan ...
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 6 May 2013 10: 18 New
      +5
      Quote: knn54
      I always want to ask the haters of that economy - WHY did it bother you so much if it was "unsustainable" ???

      I read somewhere that according to the calculations of the Americans, if the USSR developed the economy in the same way as in the 50s, then by the beginning of the 80s it would have become a leader! although the USSR economy was in second place in the world after the United States.
      interesting details can be read here CIA Report on the USSR Economic Outlook 1982 http://cccp-revivel.blogspot.ru/2011/08/1982.html

      The gross national product of the Soviet Union in 1982 will be about 1,6 trillion dollars, i.e. approximately 55% of US GNP.
      The gross national product per capita is almost $ 6.

      The population of the country is also great, the number of which is approaching 270 million. The workforce, which numbers about 147 million people, consists of sufficiently educated and trained (by world standards) people.

      To date, the USSR has become a country of almost complete literacy. The educational level of the population is growing rapidly ....

      Special efforts are aimed at improving the education of the indigenous population of the Central Asian republics ...

      A positive aspect for a technically oriented Soviet society is the fact that Soviet schools pay special attention to mathematics, technology and the exact sciences.
      1. Begemot
        Begemot 6 May 2013 16: 35 New
        +1
        The guys from Langley wrote everything correctly, as it was, and by the end of the 70's of the USSR it was the 2-3 economy of the world, it was difficult to calculate, it was difficult to choose the equivalent, and so the USA, Japan, the USSR - these were three unconditional leaders.
  7. Dmitry_2013
    Dmitry_2013 6 May 2013 08: 59 New
    0
    that the leaders of these enterprises receive ten times more for their activities than ordinary workers: a turner or welder - 15 thousand a month, director, his deputies, assistants, accountants - 70-100 thousand a month, which on average corresponds to “worthy” 50 thousand rubles.

    Alexei, how many times more, in your opinion, should a manager and his deputy receive in comparison with a simple worker, given the level of responsibility?
    1. knn54
      knn54 6 May 2013 11: 21 New
      +2
      Dmitry_2013: considering the level of responsibility?
      Since Brezhnev’s time there has been such a trick: a good crop-order to the secretary of the district committee, a bad one-pill to the chairman. I remember the levels of responsibility and salaries of people in these categories.
      1. Dmitry_2013
        Dmitry_2013 6 May 2013 11: 28 New
        0
        Can you write at times?
        PS order is intangible motivation
        1. Volodin
          6 May 2013 13: 56 New
          +1
          Dmitry, I tried to point out the "decent" average salaries in Russia, where these figures come from. I understand that you knew this without me, but still.
          And the size of the gap between the incomes of “responsible” and “irresponsible” persons should depend not on how much the leader loves himself and how much he is not ready to offend himself by distributing funds received from the state budget or from private investors, but still on legislative acts. We do not have laws of this kind yet, and therefore the gap in income sometimes reaches incredible values, with all due respect to the level of responsibility of managers.
          1. Dmitry_2013
            Dmitry_2013 6 May 2013 14: 15 New
            -1
            If we take state-owned enterprises, then laws are needed, and as for business owners, I think they know better, for example, why they get 200 director, and 20-25 welder. I don’t think that it makes sense to the owner to overpay the wage worker, because that director, that welder - both hired. And here it is difficult to calculate any ratio.
            1. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 6 May 2013 18: 40 New
              +2
              In general, wage labor is clearly spelled out in the laws of the Eurozone countries. In the USA, all specialties are precisely defined by law by the hour. Pay increases after the decision of the US Treasury Department. A very large number of professions are affected here.
            2. builder74
              builder74 6 May 2013 19: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: Dmitry_2013
              If we take state-owned enterprises, then laws are needed, and as for business owners, I think they know better, for example, why they get 200 director, and 20-25 welder. I don’t think it makes sense to the owner to overpay to the hired worker


              There is one problem: to ensure the country's security, we need a powerful, advanced industry = highly skilled workers are needed. And the notorious market cannot establish an attractive salary for such workers. Thus, the state does not interfere in the activities of business entities, but actually quietly observes how the much-needed class is being destroyed (pensioners will soon leave and there are few new specialists). A system has been created when it is more profitable to quickly fill your hand and earn decent money than to study as a turner, locksmith, etc., and then stand at the machine for 15-20 thousand. I'm not talking about managers.
              1. Dmitry_2013
                Dmitry_2013 6 May 2013 20: 16 New
                0
                I’m not talking about managers

                And about managers specifically? I am personally a graduate, I studied for 5 years, majoring in financial management, I have an interesting job and decent earnings.
                In his student years he worked as a welder and a bricklayer at construction sites in the country.
                PS It’s also necessary to study decently at a bricklayer, not to mention designers, architects and designers, i.e. specialists.
              2. politruk419
                politruk419 7 May 2013 06: 44 New
                0
                Guys, do not feed yourself with illusions. Today in Moscow no one wants to be a turner even for 120 thousand. Everyone wants to be an office plankton for 60-70 thousand. Stupidly work in vain!
                1. Dmitry_2013
                  Dmitry_2013 7 May 2013 08: 30 New
                  0
                  Everyone wants to be an office plankton for 60-70 thousand.

                  Well, let them want to. Only weakly I believe that a turner can get more specialist. Well, of course, I don’t know how it is with you in Moscow, with us it’s definitely not so.
                2. Dmitry_2013
                  Dmitry_2013 7 May 2013 08: 39 New
                  0
                  Stupidly work in vain!

                  And anyway, where did you get the idea that you don’t have to work in the office?
        2. knn54
          knn54 6 May 2013 16: 33 New
          +4
          Dmitry: B2 ... 3 times in favor of the secretary. True, on the collective farms of the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, chairmen and specialists with a doctorate degree were paid a bonus of 100 rubles. per month, having the degree of candidate of sciences - 50 rubles. per month. As for the order, the holder of the Order of the Red Banner of Labor (and above) received a personal (increased) pension.
          vladsolo56: And yet socialism, state ownership of all large and monopolistic enterprises, is the best economic approach.
          Stalin destroyed the NEP and the "Concession", something for which the Revolution was conceived. And at the same time he created an economy not controlled by the West on 1/6 of the planet. Stalin pulled Russia out from under the dollar “management”, tied the ruble in Russia (offensively, you know) to gold and created the Planned, more Efficient, as compared to the Western, “market” one, which means it can simply ruin the West in the long run!
          1. Dmitry_2013
            Dmitry_2013 6 May 2013 17: 31 New
            -2
            What is the organizational structure of the collective farm? Linear? Where are the management levels no more than 3x? For example, the chairman is a senior machine operator.
            And if you take a modern company, where the levels are more than 5-7? At the same level of scale, it comes out (we take it as a minimum) 3 levels - 2 times, 6 levels - 4 times. + you need to take into account the number in submission, since from the number of levels the number of people grows exponentially. It turns out at least 4 times, and a maximum of 10-15 in corporations, not counting bonuses.
            1. Aleksys2
              Aleksys2 7 May 2013 03: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: Dmitry_2013
              It comes out at least once in 4, and up to 10-15 in corporations, not including bonuses.

              The ratio of the average wage 10% of employees with the highest and 10% of workers with the lowest wage in April 2011. amounted to 16,1 times (in April 2009. - 14,7 times). The widening gap between the average salary of 10% of the most paid and 10% of the least paid was the result of higher growth rates of the average salary of the group of the most paid workers (by 24%) compared to the group of low-paid workers (by 13%). The largest pay gap in the extreme 10% groups of workers was observed in financial activities; organizations engaged in real estate operations, rental and services; wholesale and retail trade, repair of motor vehicles, motorcycles, household products and personal items. The income gap in the Scandinavian countries is from 3,5 to 4 times, in the USA - 10 times. Russian data show deep inequality and an extremely inefficient economy.
              1. Dmitry_2013
                Dmitry_2013 7 May 2013 08: 34 New
                0
                We have a shortage of specialists in the labor market, i.e. engineers and managers including. And do not shout that managers and lawyers have nowhere to go, sensible units, and they hire not by diploma, but by ability. Here comes the gap, because there are many specialists with diplomas, but they work in the specialty of a unit.
          2. Egen
            Egen 8 May 2013 12: 56 New
            0
            Quote: knn54
            on collective farms of the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, chairmen and specialists with a doctorate degree were paid a premium of 100 rubles. per month, having the degree of candidate of sciences - 50 rub. per month. As for the order, the holder of the Order of the Red Banner of Labor (and above) received a personal (increased) pension.


            Why in the past tense? Father-in-law while alive was already in 2000; he received a supplement to his pension for the orders of both Lenin and Tr. At our enterprise, for a scientific degree,% of salary goes in accordance with state standards. Although we are not a state-owned company, the management in Moscow made a separate such decision, such as stimulating a scientific direction, and not a business (for an MBA, for example, nifiga)
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 6 May 2013 18: 27 New
      +1
      It’s very simple that 10-15 times more locksmith’s is a world practice, But the main thing is that the manufactured product must be in demand and meet international standards, If not, how to stop and destroy and build something completely different in China that will give growth,
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 6 May 2013 21: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: Dmitry_2013
      Alexei, how many times more, in your opinion, should a manager and his deputy receive in comparison with a simple worker, given the level of responsibility?
      I will answer, for he lived and worked at the Kirov Plant as an engineer. He got his 180 rubles. A good turner or locksmith (of the fifth or sixth category) was boarded up to 250 rubles, and even higher, there were those who received three hundred. And the general director of the plant received 600 rubles! Only two times more than a highly skilled worker and nine times more (70 rubles) than a cleaner! And while there was no shortage among those wishing to take the chair of the CEO! Do you remember the first elections at the Baltic RAF plant (well, it produced minibuses)? So there, and 600 rubles were basically cut down to 500, nevertheless there were plenty of people who wished from all over the Union! The winner was a certain Bossert, who safely destroyed the plant. Well this is another song, not about that.
      Conclusion - managerial work is NOT such a HIGHLY QUALIFIED LABOR that it would be evaluated thousands of times more than the labor of a worker !!!!! This is just the ability to take all factors into account and find the optimal solution based on them. That's all. It’s not even worth three or four thousand cu per month!!!!!!! And even more so, it does not cost any millionth gold parachutes! This is some kind of bacchanalia of managers who need to be stalled in the most rude and obscene form! To give out her work as requiring incredibly high qualifications, while any mother of many children, yes, a cook who successfully copes with the upbringing of her many children, will intuitively cope in exactly the same way !!!! You just need to have a competent adviser on technical issues (the condition is extremely true) and on legal issues (the same condition), and she will be able to generate a solution no worse than a professional top manager, even simply by the experience of managing a family and simply comparing facts and arguments !!!!! I am extremely dismissive of managerial work and do not consider it highly qualified! The myth of high responsibility and the big consequences of just one wrong decision, which motivates managers to make their crazy salaries, is just a myth, because in terms of responsibility they do not bear any responsibility (sorry for the tautology) in fact, but in terms of big consequences - this is true, but also managers are not responsible for this! So also this fact carries a charge of instability for a given social system, because an excessive wage gap leads to serious distortions.
      1. Dmitry_2013
        Dmitry_2013 7 May 2013 13: 11 New
        0
        I am extremely dismissive of managerial work and do not consider it highly qualified!

        Owners pay money to managers, and if the owner pays someone a lot of money, then he sees the point. Or is he just so generous in your opinion?
        After all, the labor market has a choice.
      2. Egen
        Egen 8 May 2013 13: 11 New
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        Conclusion - managerial work is NOT such a HIGHLY QUALIFIED LABOR that it would be evaluated thousands of times more than the labor of a worker !!!!!


        Dear neighbor, with all due respect to you personally, you are still, as far as I understand, let's say a little off topic :)
        On the one hand, yes, but on the other, managers are paid not for labor, but for the result. Well, ideally. I built the team and processes so that I got the best result - please money. No, well, millions, of course you’re right, this is too much, but in any case it’s more than just a locksmith. Not because of responsibility - this is stupid, but because of the result.
        If you think that the work of a manager (normal, not .... well, you understand :)) is nonsense, I can tell you that you are mistaken. To do this, you need to study all your life (try the MIRBIS courses you saw somewhere in the public domain) and still have innate qualities and develop them. I've been trying something like 20 for years, but I understand that it’s only somewhere else at the beginning of the path :) :(
        As for 600r, I also apologize. My father-in-law was a director in Soviet times, I received just 600r. While I, yes, received less than 200. Father-in-law earned to these 600r a bunch of orders and 8! heart attacks, as well as cancer (builder). They didn’t give orders then, you probably know.
        Then after him the director privatized another plant for himself, well, etc.
        Moreover, father-in-law for his life did not take a penny or a nail from someone else. Therefore, I'm sorry, but I ask you not to generalize :)
    4. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 6 May 2013 23: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Dmitry_2013
      Alexei, how many times more, in your opinion, should a manager and his deputy receive in comparison with a simple worker, given the level of responsibility?

      well, you know ... personally, it somehow starts to jar me when, with a personal report to the management, I see on the screen of his computer how he tries to play the "kerchief" solitaire during my report, while somehow he does not hesitate to write out annual dividends in the amount of with 6 zeros ....
      1. Dmitry_2013
        Dmitry_2013 7 May 2013 13: 06 New
        0
        This fact may not be the rule. If your leadership is not interested in the results of your work, then this is undoubtedly bad. Even worse, they do not ask them.
      2. Egen
        Egen 8 May 2013 13: 18 New
        0
        Quote: Azzzwer
        personally, it somehow starts to warp me when I see a personal report to management on the screen of his computer

        It happens :)
        But fortunately not always.
        As far back as 15 years ago, I once reported to one of the deputy governors, prepared everything on the shelves from 5 points. He told the first one, he says further. I start to tell the second - says I understood, let's continue. In the end, I told pp. 1,3 and 5 :)
        But even now, such as having become crazy about old age :), going to my current boss, who is really a doctor and a professor, and not on paper, and has 3 stars in buttonholes, I often feel like that kid :) :(
  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 May 2013 09: 11 New
    13
    I have never been a Stalinist, but .... Here we have developed under the influence of the corresponding one-sided propaganda that everything is so-called. the repressed were innocently convicted. Or slandered. But this is far from the case. If you read real criminal cases, then it suddenly turns out that the honored aircraft designer employed his relatives in the design bureau and the accrual of bonuses to them turned out to be much higher than that of other employees. and so on. We are now crying and saying that, now, now there is complete corruption, the dominance of the bureaucracy, which does nothing, but simply parasitizes on society. Does everyone really think that it was different at that time? Stalin pursued a policy of prioritizing the law, regardless of merit, gender and age. There was no other way to survive then. The state would be plundered and plundered as is done now. My grandmother also suffered from the law "on spikelets" - she was convicted of stealing at the elevator, although she had to feed three children then without a husband, but she was not imprisoned, but she just kind of worked out her term there, at the elevator. And strangely, she never complained about it, but said the following: “The time was then, the law was cruel and strictly observed: they condemned for every little thing and a simple employee and director. And, otherwise, without strict observance of the laws to the state not live ... "
    1. antidote
      antidote 6 May 2013 09: 33 New
      +4
      Rokosovsky was convicted of his negligence during a military operation. froze people. horses and so on. He acknowledged this and subsequently drew conclusions
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 6 May 2013 09: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The time was then, the law was cruel and strictly observed: they were condemned for every little thing and a simple worker and director. And how else, the state cannot live without strict observance of the laws ... "

      And they did it right .......
      Without order, there is no development, and without development there is no sovereignty .....
    3. k220150
      k220150 6 May 2013 10: 00 New
      +2
      Are you sure that they were chased by SAM.
    4. COBOK
      COBOK 6 May 2013 10: 06 New
      +9
      What if now, in our time, the moratorium on military equipment is canceled, a strict criterion for the activities and personal responsibility of officials is introduced and the activities of Serdyukov, Chubais and other dandruff are dealt with (with the corresponding results ...)? Years later ... twenty years will recollect about the "bloody regime" and Vasilyeva's poems, created by her after moving from an apartment to a zone, will become "a world masterpiece of literature, revealing the suffering of an innocently injured person ..." .d.

      By the way, the people demand to deal with "pests and plunderers" as it was in the 30s, and now. So maybe the situation has not changed much and many in the 30s were still convicted of the cause?
  9. erased
    erased 6 May 2013 09: 39 New
    +4
    All figures, all facts speak about one thing - the USSR of the Stalin era was the greatest power in the world. A country for the people. Although not everything and not always there was smooth and good.
    But what is now a fragment of that country - the Russian Federation - is hard to even say. The reserve of frenzied corruption, betrayal, treason. A country where power is in the hands of enemies of the people?
    But such a state is doomed. And what if the new Stalin does not come? ..
  10. djon3volta
    djon3volta 6 May 2013 09: 44 New
    -4
    Why is it rarely remembered industrialization in the 90s and early 2000s?

    because the Internet among the population in those years was at a minimum level. In 2004, only 10 million people used the Internet (in 2012 already 60 million), and in the 90s there were probably less than a million for the whole country. With whom to discuss? Where? Yes and all the nonsense and gossip comes from the Internet, as well as different truths that are not talked about on TV. Yesterday, Prokopenko showed me the whole MILITARY SECRET aayayayay how many there were. In the 30s, when there was a crisis in the USA and people died from hunger right on the roads, from the USSR in America there was one company for hiring workers in the union, more than 100 thousand Americans were ready to renounce citizenship and leave for the USSR to work.
    statistical agencies have been teaching us in recent years.

    besides, how do we find out about this data? correctly, from the Internet. because on the Internet all pages are stored for many years. and recordings from TV are not all available to us.
    1. Containers
      Containers 6 May 2013 16: 15 New
      +1
      Oh, poor child of the Internet.
  11. Black
    Black 6 May 2013 09: 45 New
    -2
    The myths about the "humane" Stalinist economy give rise to the bacchanalia that has been going on in the country for the last 20 years. Stalin and Stalinism are in demand by society (a healthy society) as a model of governance where there is no beastly face of corruption, where they think about the country and not about their own pockets, where there are people's commissars, not top managers.
    But to deny that the colossal part of the country's economy is built on the hump of a simple person is either to not know the history of their country or to consciously lie.
    Hard, unpaid labor in the wild, hellish labor in the colonies. Man is nothing, the state and the country are all. It was. Just be ashamed of this is not necessary. And no need to hide. This is our story.
    1. Dima67
      Dima67 6 May 2013 15: 47 New
      +4
      What are our oligarchs building their welfare on now? Answer!
      1. Black
        Black 6 May 2013 22: 15 New
        +2
        If you ask me, I’ll tell you. Our (not ours at all) oligarchs build their wealth on the robbery of the public domain, on theft. Did you not know? Do not hesitate - their incomes are built on the plunder of the country, which means, figuratively speaking, enrichment from our pocket.
  12. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 May 2013 09: 52 New
    +1
    Unfortunately (or not unfortunately), there will be no new Stalin. "Stalins" are generated by a certain system of views and values, as well as a certain environment. Now, none of this exists, even in the first approximation. And, the future of Russia ... I would like to be an optimist, but ... most likely, Russia will no longer be in the sense that we would like to see it - Russia, a state with a "Russian spirit". Other peoples will come to our territory (yes, they have already poured here) and it will become an ark for these peoples and the Russians will dissolve in this environment, giving it something and absorbing something from it ... This will be, already, a completely different Russia and maybe not even Russia at all.
  13. k220150
    k220150 6 May 2013 09: 58 New
    +2
    Factor number one is the morale of society. Compare it then and now. Sapiente sat. When asked why it differs, it is enough to look at the behavior of today's "thin-necked" leaders, and think - why are they in power? Comrade Stalin, as Marshal Rokossovsky said, is a "saint."
  14. Boris55
    Boris55 6 May 2013 10: 48 New
    +4
    Fact ... By GDP (PPP), Russia is now at 5 place!

    As we predicted (see RUSFACT.RU: Is the Russian economy bigger than the German economy?!), According to the 2012 results, the REAL GDP of Russia (i.e. GDP according to the Purchasing Power Parity of national currencies) exceeded that of Germany. This follows from fresh World Bank data (which we tend to trust much more than the traditionally much less objective data about the excessively pro-American IMF and especially the CIA). Now, in terms of GDP (PPP), Russia has moved to 5 place in the world. Only the USA, China, and India are ahead and Japan ... Recall that in 2000, our B VP at PPP was 2,15 times less than GDP (PPP) of Germany (973 Billion $ versus 2079 Billion $) ...

    It also follows from the World Bank data that another significant event is about to happen - Russia, as promised by Putin at the end of 1999, will finally catch up with Portugal (one of the so-called "Golden Billion" states) in terms of GDP (PPP ) per capita ... According to the World Bank, the size of Russia's GDP (PPP) per capita in 2012 was $ 23600 ($ 3380 billion 143,4 million people = $ 23600 per person) ... 2012 was approximately $ 24900 per person (66,6 Billion $: 10,7 Million people = $ 24900) ... That is. the difference is now only about 5%. This is despite the fact that in 2000 the Portuguese were ahead of the Russians by almost three times (2,64 times). 13 years ago, GDP (PPP) per capita in Portugal was $ 17430, and in Russia $ 6660 [ / url] (that is, it was 3,57 times less than in 2012) ...

    According to the nominal GDP (i.e., calculated at the exchange rate), Russia last year, even according to the IMF and the CIA, bypassed Italy and took the 8 place ... For reference: in 2000, our nominal GDP was approximately 260 Billion. $ And was about EIGHT times smaller than the current one. And since the post-default 1999 year, our nominal GDP has grown and more than 10 times (according to various sources, from approximately 178 - 195 Billion $ to approximately 2050 Billion. $ .. see table below) ...

    PPP GDP dynamics per capita in European CIS countries (Belarus, Moldova, Russia and Ukraine) in 1989 — 2011 years, in US dollars, according to the World Bank

    Top -15 countries in terms of GDP (PPP) according to the World Bank for 2012 year.


    TOP-10 countries by GDP (according to IMF data for 2012 year)


    TOP-10 countries by GDP (according to the CIA for 2012 year)


    More details: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=761#p1367
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 6 May 2013 11: 15 New
      -4
      the positive successes of the Russian Federation under Putin on this site are not very fond of, there are a lot of haters of Putin sitting here. you with your schedules if you don’t throw rotten eggs, then very few people will support it for sure.
      if you will praise the USSR, then you will be respected, and if you praise present-day Russia, do not wait for special support.
      For example, I love the truth to burn the uterus, here is another pearl. So really you know how many infuriates? laughing

      Kursk region doubled meat production in I quarter
      Oil production in Russia for 4 months increased by 0,3%, to 171 million tons
      KAMAZ showed a threefold increase in profit in 2012
      In the 1st quarter In 2013, plywood production in Russia grew by 18,3% to 919 thousand m3.
      Gazprom ranked third in the world in net profit
      Yekaterinburg in terms of wages has risen one step with European capitals
      Industrial production growth in the Tambov region in 2012 amounted to 12,5%
      Housing commissioning in Siberia in the I quarter increased by 7,6%
      In the first quarter of 2013 10,4 million square meters of housing commissioned, which is 6,5% more than I quarter. 2012
      Nizhnekamsk petrochemists for the year sold products worth 125 billion rubles
      Omsk refinery in the first quarter produced more than 1 million tons of Euro-4 and Euro-5 gasoline
      Rosstat: Agricultural production in the I quarter increased by 2,3%
      Russia in the I quarter increased poultry meat production
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=97

      and for a snack this video laughing

      1. Rrv
        Rrv 6 May 2013 11: 50 New
        +5
        Quote: djon3volta
        the positive successes of the Russian Federation under Putin on this site are not very fond of, there are many Putin haters.


        Johnny honey laughing here's the thing:

        the absence of SPECIAL livestock - does not mean the absence of livestock as such, even if it is secondary to dairy. The topic apparently arose due to the fact that Volodya loved the marble meat, but he really wasn’t there then - and he worries that it can disappear again, because it doesn’t like pork (it was enough in the Union, by the way), or maybe it shouldn’t put pork then?

        As for your statistics: all this is very good, only now meat (production of which has been increased), now not everyone can afford it.

        As for oil, Gazprom, oil refineries, etc. - so I have a special joy for thieves ravaging the country the owners of the enterprises listed by you - as it doesn’t arise, especially since according to Chubais acne Zhenya Fedorov 95% of our enterprises are de facto owned by the West.
        1. Egen
          Egen 8 May 2013 13: 27 New
          0
          Quote: RRV
          As for oil, Gazprom, oil refineries, etc. - so I have special joy for thieves ruining the country of the owners of the enterprises you listed

          Yes, but the Gazprom refinery is what you are, it belongs to the state - look at their shareholders website.
      2. Atash
        Atash 6 May 2013 11: 51 New
        +1
        At these oil prices, this growth is the minimum that could be expected, that is, it simply cannot be worse. These prices would not even be for Stalin, but even for Yeltsin, you would have lived in a completely different country. Nobody would have poked themselves into either Libya or Syria - Russia would not allow it. Under Yeltsin, the optimistic forecast was 23 (twenty three!) Dollars per barrel. And Yeltsin managed to build as many roads as Putin by 2008 .... oh, Putin by 2008 practically did not build roads in comparison with Yeltsin. That was not what they put it for. They put it in order to build the Sochi-Adler road at such a cost as if they had paid it for $ 100. banknotes in TWO layers (according to the calculations of foreigners). For this money it was possible to make a monorail. And for $ 30 million spent on the new Zenit stadium, FIVE such stadiums can be built in Germany. This is no longer theft, this is murder. Not 1.3, not one and a half - 5.
        In 10 years, caught up with Portugal? Agrarian country? It would probably be cool with oil prices in the 90s. In the West they joke that oil companies do not have time to go to the bank for money. And you are Portugal!
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 6 May 2013 12: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: Atash
          according to the estimates of foreigners

          so tell me why foreigners care about Russia so much, showing us that everything is bad and they steal a lot? I’m 100% sure that they (foreigners) simply envy that it’s not they who steal, as was the case under Yeltsin, but their own officials. but what a quandary it turns out, if as many people like to scream with foam at the mouth that all thieves withdraw capital abroad, then why does this abroad yell if they have all the money where are the logic here ??? foreign countries should then be glad that Russian capital is floating away, and they are preoccupied with it! is that where the logic is ??? wassat
          and I’ll tell you again - when under Yeltsin the country was robbed, the West was silent, but under Putin, for some reason, it’s not silent, it’s strange, isn't it?
          watch this video, although it’s not said anything new, still see why the West doesn’t like and demonize Putin.

          1. Atash
            Atash 6 May 2013 14: 29 New
            0
            Paid, in my opinion, an expert. Eyes running around, notice? The German, of course, Putzintao has many connections there.
            Well, let's get down to the argument.
            Money withdrawn abroad is deposited in bank accounts, where it is not available to the same British Petroleum, which they enjoy. Private property is inviolable there, at least it is not easy to take someone else's.
            Yes, Khodorkovsky wanted to give BP a stake in Siberian oil. But then we would have received investments in the form of new equipment, the Europeans do not work on the old scrap metal. If you had your fat, of course, well, nothing happens for free. They pressed Hod.-someone not because he sold Russia, this is a banal redistribution of property. They put their people in, the money went where it should be. What do we have with you now? The money went away anyway, it took more. These comrades have much more appetite than BP, you know. If there were 12 Maybachs a year, one went to the States, one to Europe, the rest to the CIS. But there is no new equipment, just hump around on the old one, nothing. You worked in a factory, do you know the difference between working on a crumbling pile of metal and a new German typewriter? I work in a factory that the Italians built with grief in half. We give everything to Italians, it's probably easier to negotiate kickbacks with them. Nevertheless, ours tease them with "mafia", they say, our mafia are angels compared to yours, cosmic kickbacks.
            Under Yeltsin, there was massive privatization, the state needed to quickly get rid of fixed assets from the balance sheet, their content was killing. Such events are held like this all over the world. Germany, after unification, sold factories for a symbolic one brand. At the same time, no one received bribes for this, but in Russia there was no time for that. And when oil rose, the external situation began to improve, Yeltsin handed over to Putin a working state machine. "Then you yourself", like. But in the 90s everything could easily "fall apart". In the 90s, Putin would not have been allowed close to the Kremlin; a person like Yeltsin was needed. He doesn't belong there even now. He's smart, of course. He could have gone down in history as a brilliant prime minister. Someone who can become a brilliant prime minister does not fit the presidency. Just like Yeltsin would have been useless as prime minister.
            1. Egen
              Egen 8 May 2013 13: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Atash
              We give everything to Italians, it is probably easier to negotiate kickbacks with them.

              And what plant do you produce?
              No, not because. The most reliable and long-term equipment that I tried and equalized for 15 is understandable German. But clearly, it’s the most expensive thing. And the Italians are great, they take the most important German knots and add to them all their own and Chinese, getting quite good quality at a normal price. In our Kuzbass we at 90 even carried out comparative tests of different lines for a variety of purposes and industries. I even happened to re-enter one such pasta line after almost 20 years. Nothing, with grief in half but earned :)
              And kickbacks - well, it depends on the people and not on the equipment :)
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 6 May 2013 12: 31 New
          +6
          Quote: Atash
          And Yeltsin managed to build so many roads

          In! Swung into the road! And this is our HOLY! Don't touch the roads! In wartime, they are not passable for any foreign military equipment, and in peacetime, they can be used for rallying. And where is the "Dakar-Paris" !!! But how much money can you make! Bad roads are our strategic reserve! laughing
      3. Prometey
        Prometey 6 May 2013 12: 50 New
        +2
        djon3volta
        All these indicators that you cite are interesting, but they do not reflect the main indicator - the growth of purchasing power and incomes of citizens. Namely, there is nothing to brag about. Because the increase in oil production and the growth of Gazprom’s profit are not reflected in any way on the welfare of the majority of Russian residents. And the effect on the growth of citizens' incomes is the opening of new jobs, the commissioning of new enterprises and companies. And how are you doing here?
        The country is in a full-blown crisis, accompanied by a decrease in commodity-money turnover in almost all market segments. Yes, poultry farms increased poultry production in the 1st quarter of 2013. Only here the sale of this bird compared to last year looks depressing. Poultry refrigerators are clogged, prices are almost at cost level. The question arises - why did the population stop eating chicken?
        And how are the indicators in light industry? Or simply put - show us the clothes produced by Russian sewing factories (in general, how many are left in the country?). But everything is clear here - Russia feeds the Chinese light industry almost in full. This is probably easier than for 3 years to prepare seamstresses and cutters in a still functioning Russian vocational education system and to start dressing your own country at a completely destroyed factory.
        1. Egen
          Egen 8 May 2013 13: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Prometey
          they do not reflect the main indicator - the growth of purchasing power and income of citizens

          In-in. These are just statistics numbers. And there are macroeconomics and micro sciences too :) For example, in the United States, for example, the main indicator of well-being, calculations, etc. it is not some mythical GDP or government debt that cannot be felt, but households, their income and expenses, living standards, dynamics of purchases, etc. All textbooks of economics are built on this. We understand this is not entirely applicable, but there is something in this approach ...
      4. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 6 May 2013 18: 58 New
        +2
        Another such thing, everything seems to be right, and why prices are so high, they seem to produce a lot more. I myself am amazed: it’s like vacation pay at the enterprise is low and it’s not on sale and you can’t lower it all at once. laws are clearly written for it
      5. Black
        Black 6 May 2013 22: 24 New
        +2
        and for a snack this video is laughing

        I once saw Putin attack at a meeting of the State Duma addressed to the Communist Party. GDP directly in the hearts shouted that there was no beef cattle breeding in the USSR.
        Not everyone knows GDP.
        Write down the address.
        Volgograd region, Olkhov district, the state farm of Stalingrad.
        Fattening complex for 10000-15000 heads.
        so that.
        1. Egen
          Egen 8 May 2013 13: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Chen
          that in the USSR there was no beef cattle breeding.

          What far to go to you, dear Kargatsky and Kochkinsky districts of the Novosibirsk region were also nothing like that :) But in Krasnoozerka there was horse breeding in general, and koumiss :)
      6. z-exit
        z-exit 7 May 2013 00: 34 New
        -1
        Quote: djon3volta
        the positive successes of the Russian Federation under Putin on this site are not very fond of, there are many Putin haters

        Yes, they have Bolotnikov today (06.05.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX) exacerbation! Hands off Putin!
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 6 May 2013 18: 49 New
      +3
      Oh, he completely scared everyone and why the majority of the people of this so unloved BELARUS live better than ours, PUTIN himself admitted it and there is no need to drive the blizzard with calculations,
  15. Rrv
    Rrv 6 May 2013 10: 54 New
    +5
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    2. z-exit
      z-exit 7 May 2013 00: 51 New
      -1
      This is a pop demotivator. Where is the mortality of these miserable? Have you heard about Frankelization, for example? Do you want Stalinist times? Do you dream to see the Stalinist pace? Oh well. Although I’m not a fan of NTV films, I strongly advise you to watch this film. He is only 43 minutes, it is shorter than a broken fate. Maybe that's enough for you to draw a Stalinist romance for life:
      1. Rrv
        Rrv 7 May 2013 03: 19 New
        0
        Unhappy? What is their misfortune?
        You do not know for an hour on what articles these "unfortunates" got there?
        Maybe you have mortality data - I'd love to take a look. How many, do you think, these "unfortunates" were killed there - tens, hundreds of millions? Or maybe a milliard? laughing
        And how many people were killed because of these "unfortunates" before they got there - are you not interested?
        1. z-exit
          z-exit 7 May 2013 10: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: RRV
          Unhappy? What is their misfortune? You do not know for an hour on what articles these "unfortunates" got there? Maybe you have mortality data - I'd love to take a look. How many, do you think, these "unfortunates" were killed there - tens, hundreds of millions? Or maybe a milliard? And how many people were killed because of these "unfortunates" before they got there - are you not interested?


          And in your opinion, to be Zekom happiness? To rot in a year, from a young man will turn into a broken trough is this happiness really? This is not even a misfortune. This is a tragedy. What articles did you get there asking? Why not know, publicly available information: you mostly know the anonymous denunciations of losers and envious people, and then about such a contingent - kulak children, political dissenters, believers and monks, prostitutes, thieves and criminal brothers. And just people who were at the wrong time and in the wrong company. I decided to turn in the room, my neighbor knocked, everything ... hi Solovki.
          Mortality data. This is the whole point not revealed by your demotivator. It is clearly seen there that the data on prisoners in the United States and Russia in the 90s are quite comparable and similar. It is quite logical, there is nothing remarkable, we go further and here you need to immediately ask a question - How can you compare data on prisoners of the 50s and 90s with each other? If in the 90s people could spend 30 years in the camps and nothing, but in those days they could use it up in a couple of weeks. From here, the numbers begin to dance. Look: in the demotivator, we see that in the 90s there were more ZK than under Stalin. How can this be, if we have all heard that there was no sugar under Stalin? Yes, obviously. It's just that all those who were closed in the Yeltsin times were sitting well for themselves all this time. Compared to the Solovki, their conditions of detention can only be called hothouse conditions. In such conditions, you can sit for 30 years. Now we take the figure for Stalin's times and try to maintain it with the average death rate of prisoners, say equal to 1 year. Maybe more or maybe less. This cannot be established already. And try to calculate what it will cost to maintain such a "low" prison rate with such a high mortality rate. In the 30s, a year of imprisonment could be enough for any healthy person. In the same place, scratches due to the climate do not heal in this North. I lived in such a climate. It's true in Transbaikalia. Rotting in the camp is a literal expression. Nobody in the 30s gave zelenka and iodine with a bandage to people there. Those who were in the taiga or in the north will understand me what it is. The wounds literally rot there. If you haven’t seen this, I’ll try to explain - here is a small scratch like from a cat at first, it swells for three weeks and becomes large. It feels like it swells with water, becomes a highlighted tubercle, as if it rises from the body, well, that is. Then it becomes more and more, the person scratches it with his hands because the substance on the wound resembles a crust of bread soaked in water and easily slips, then an open abscess begins with an increasing area. Therefore, people died in large numbers. In the film that I posted, the figures of mortality are also given. One Belomor canal cost 50-200 thousand lives.
          1. Rrv
            Rrv 7 May 2013 17: 11 New
            -2
            Quote: z-exit
            And in your opinion, to be Zekom happiness? To rot in a year, from a young man will turn into a broken trough is this happiness really? This is not even a misfortune. This is a tragedy.


            Kind you, however, you care about the prisoners. And here I am deprived of your "mercy", I am more concerned about those who suffered from these "young people".


            What articles did you get there asking? Why not know, publicly available information: you mostly know the anonymous denunciations of losers and envious people, and then about such a contingent - kulak children, political dissenters, believers and monks, prostitutes, thieves and criminal brothers. And just people who were at the wrong time and in the wrong company. I decided to turn in the room, my neighbor knocked, everything ... hi Solovki.


            It is very interesting where did you get this "public" information? Have you read a lot?

            Anonymous denunciations of anything, about a crime or unlawful act? Do you know that an anonymous denunciation is always checked, or do you think that at that time the authorities had a goal to drive more people into the camps? There would be such a goal, so anonymous reasons for its implementation are unnecessary - the army and the NKVD were there.

            I asked you not about the socio-economic affiliation of those who entered the camps, but about specific articles of the Criminal Code: Have you somewhere found a separate article for fist children?
            Do you know what exactly the "political dissenters" and religious fraternity were repressed for (it's ridiculous to even talk about crime)?
            Those who turned up at the wrong time and in the wrong place were sent for your company?
            "I decided to rent the room ..." - was it legal at that time? And if not, is it not fair that an illegal act is punished by a court in accordance with the current legislation?


            Mortality data ... at such a high mortality rate ... etc ...
            .

            At what high mortality rate? Where are the specific statistics and numbers? Have you seen such statistics? Your reasoning is a mixture of verbiage and conjecture, before you write all this at least on the website of the "Commission for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repressions under the President" - there is this information.

            I also want to remind you that the average life expectancy of peasants in the 19th century was 31 years, and this is without any gulags.

            Below, along with the last picture, two links are given - I recommend reading.
            1. z-exit
              z-exit 8 May 2013 19: 25 New
              +1
              And who interestingly suffered from the priesthood?
              I will not even condemn the crime of those years. And somehow it is not funny at the same time - people were hungry. It is funny to you there it is ridiculously visible. Mother came “on the panel” or stole something edible from the collective farm to feed the children here and crime.
              And yes, I really feel sorry for the ZeKs of those years, unlike you. Many worthy people of those years, scientists who gave us cosmic victories, for example, or another example, were honored to become Zek.
              On Easter this I was in the Diveevo monastery. He was shocked - many sisters were imprisoned, the abbess of the monastery was imprisoned. What kind of people are their mother, where did such come from. Legally, they had every right to freedom of conscience. What legislation did they violate? You are still talking about some kind of “compliance with the current legislation” ... I will not even comment further on your humanitarian judgments about “compliance” with the law.
              By the way, we are talking specifically about the Stalin era, and not about the Lenin era.
              Anyway, what difference does it make on what articles they planted there, if they were imprisoned for this very freedom of conscience? Naturally, it was necessary to “sew” people some political articles, since it is impossible to imprison for faith. They made people’s enemies of the people, counter-revolutionaries, saboteurs, etc. For such accusations it is already possible to put a person “legally”. It is naturally naive to think that these accusations were not far-fetched.
              Are you a lawyer historian? Articles of the Criminal Code ... still ask parts ... Have you decided to write a doctoral dissertation in jurisprudence? Why is this? The legal base changes over the years.
              The confessions of those years are worth little, tortured because. Maybe you heard about it? They beat, they recently slept, forced to sit on a stool with one leg? Have not heard such stories? Verification of anonymous letters in those years did not take much time, people themselves admitted in most cases, signed everything that they were offered if only not torture.
              The mortality data I gave you there on a very revealing example, read carefully. Why Belomorkanal? Because it was built 100% by the camps and at precisely the same Stalinist pace, 800% of the human norm.
              Once again about mortality: from 50 to 200 thousand people died at the White Sea Canal. This is over 2 years of construction. There is no information on people with disabilities, I would not be surprised if everyone else who survived this, to one degree or another.
              What else? Public information also brought you. There above - the film stuck with stories of relatives of eyewitnesses to the construction sites of those times. Naturally, information in the public domain is not limited to this.
              I don’t know about the goals of the authorities of those years, so don’t ask me such things. I don’t know what they had in their head for thoughts. They wanted to drive more people there or less ... I don’t know what they wanted there. ..
              By the way, you are not right about the possibility of rulers allowing confrontation between the army and the people. Such a phenomenon would, of course, be possible, but only for a short period of time, since the political regime does not exist for a long time if it exhausts the support of the people. It’s much smarter to slander first, and then to the camp.
              1. Rrv
                Rrv 9 May 2013 16: 31 New
                -2
                It looks like the concepts of "priest and saint" are mixed in your mind, but these concepts are not identical: someone started to engage in banditry, theft or something like that (they could not do anything with their hands), someone was taken for preventing the confiscation of church property.
                It is also worth recalling that freedom of conscience and propaganda are two different things.

                Your "worthy people who gave cosmic victories" - if they gave anything, then after the camps (will you give the names of these "worthy"?).
                They were imprisoned for sabotage, for transferring data to foreign intelligence services, and always in accordance with the Criminal Code, although from time to time there were judicial errors. There were also tortures, for which especially zealous officers were sent in stages. Torture was the personal initiative of individual comrades, not the policy of Soviet Power, and it became the norm for such characters long before Stalin was born - thanks to the tsarist policy, the police and the "holy" church, which rotted people for dissent (not to be confused with propaganda).

                "And in general, what's the difference under what articles they were imprisoned, if they were imprisoned for this very freedom" - but really, what's the difference under what articles and for what act, if following your "logic" robbery, rape or murder can be called freedom of conscience?

                "... since you can't jail for faith." - delight please? Why not? What prevented the introduction of an article for wearing religious symbols, or something like that?
                And what does the change in the "legal base" have to do with a specific Criminal Code in effect at a specific time period?

                "Haven't you heard such stories?" - I heard a lot of stories, both positive and negative. And precisely because they are fundamentally opposed to each other, it is worthwhile to be based on documentary facts, and not on stories.
                You remind me of the guys who told STORIES about HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in the early 90s! repressed. Where are these hundreds of millions? Where do they come from if "HUNDREDS of millions" is at least 200 million, and the population of Soviet Russia at that time numbered less than 200 million?
                You fantasize about mortality on the White Sea Canal, name numbers from 50 to 200 thousand - are you not funny yourself? An error of 400% arising from your numbers is not science and not facts - it is a mixture of conjecture and verbiage, it is the same as to argue according to the principle "either-or": either it was, or it was not, or died, or not. Meanwhile, it is absolutely certain (unlike tsarist and today's Russia, the Soviet bureaucracy of that period was extremely meticulous) that about 150 thousand people participated in the construction of the White Sea Canal, and the mortality rate did not exceed 10%, more precisely, 12318 prisoners died for the entire period.

                Of course, you can build guesses and versions, and believe what you like, but when it comes to historical certainty, there is no place for faith — facts are needed. And it would be nice for you to decide whether you want to know how it really was, or if your goal is to discredit the Stalinist period by any means, even through outright lies.

                And regarding specifically priests who were repressed during the Soviet period, I offer you the following information for consideration:

                kuraev.ru/smf/index.php?topic=376827.0
                1. z-exit
                  z-exit 10 May 2013 12: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: RRV
                  Your "worthy people who gave cosmic victories" - if they gave anything, then after the camps (will you give the names of these "worthy"?).

                  It’s clear that they weren’t collecting a rocket in the camp)))
                  Korolev, Sergey Pavlovich. Decent candidacy ??
                  Korolyov was secretive and did not talk about the humiliations that he had to endure over the years of exile, so he got very laconic memories of the investigation: "investigators Shestakov and Bykov subjected me to physical repression and abuse."
                  Relatives knew that investigators broke the Queen's jaw in two places. According to the recollections of the dentist Korolev, he could not really open his mouth even after decades.

                  Quote: RRV
                  And regarding specifically priests who were repressed during the Soviet period, I offer you the following information for consideration:
                  kuraev.ru/smf/index.php?topic=376827.0

                  Did you read it yourself? Why should Lenin's times be dragged into this subject? There we are talking only about one specific year - 1922). And what did you prove? Your reference only once again confirms the words of the clergy that the most malicious repressions began later under Stalin.

                  Quote: RRV
                  "... since you can't jail for faith." - do you delight? Why not? What prevented the introduction of an article for wearing religious symbols, or something like that?
                  And what does the change in the "legal base" have to do with a specific Criminal Code in effect at a specific time period?

                  It’s immediately obvious that you are not a lawyer. The Criminal Code cannot just be written, it must meet the entire legal basis of its time. Below I will write elementary what he had to answer at that time.
                  You so persistently asked me for articles of the Criminal Code that I wrote to you why this information is for you, only a historian-lawyer will need it. Stalin ruled for a long time, the Criminal Code changed during this time. This is the first.
                  And second, I will not delight, dear, as you put it. You touch me. Let's look at this issue as well, otherwise it’s very funny for me to see how you now jump from the legal plane of the question into theoretical oblivion: “Why not? What prevented the introduction of the article ...”.
                  Alas, I am forced to return you back to the legal plane, since you yourself have set such a course for the conversation. So, I reply that it interfered:
                  1) The Constitution of the USSR, proclaiming freedom of conscience and religion of citizens of the young Soviet state.
                  2) Lenin's decree "On the separation of the church from the state and the school from the church," adopted by the Council of People's Commissars on January 20 (February 2), 1918, as amended and supplemented. According to which every citizen can profess any religion or not profess any. Any offenses related to the confession or non-confession of any faith were canceled. From official documents all indications of religious affiliation of citizens were eliminated. It was forbidden to issue any local laws or decrees within the republic that would restrict or restrict freedom of conscience or establish any advantages or privileges based on the religious affiliation of citizens.

                  The rest in your commentary is attacks on the church, I will leave them without comment. Who is holy, and not who is not holy God will understand. It’s obvious to me only the opposite is why with what you. I already wrote above that the clergy did not violate anything legally. Therefore, I feel sorry for the ZeKs of those years.
                  On this, let me put an end to our conversation. Let me take my leave. Good luck to you!
                  1. Rrv
                    Rrv 10 May 2013 15: 20 New
                    0
                    It's ugly to jump off a topic. )))

                    Can you remember only one last name, or is there still?
                    Korolev is a great engineer, but what do we know about his human qualities? How many excellent specialists turned out to be thieves, careerists, etc.?
                    Once again you are struck by art speculation and write about the Queen's secrecy - why did you get the idea that he was hidden? Have you read somewhere the relevant conclusion of the psychological and psychiatric examination?
                    "The relatives knew ... According to the recollections of the dentist ..." - when did this information come up? During the reign of the first de-Stalinizer, who had personal motives to hate Stalin?

                    "You read it yourself" - I read it, and gave it as an example of distortion of facts - that's why I wrote: "information for reflection", but you did not dare to speculate.

                    "The Criminal Code cannot be written just like that" ... and so on. - freedom of conscience and freedom of religion are far from identical to wearing religious symbols and propaganda of a religious worldview. A law prohibiting the latter would in no way be at variance with the Constitution in force at that time, but nevertheless such a law was not adopted.

                    See: You are talking about the victims of Belomorkanal, voicing numbers from 50 to 200 thousand (statistical error of 400%). Where you found these numbers, it was also said that mortality reached 700 tons per day. Let's say. Where is the source of this data? Based on what statistics are these figures derived?
                    Further: You consider "Stalinist repressions" a crime. Let's admit. Any crime, whoever commits it, has a motive. What was the motive for the repressions, why did Stalin and company need so many people in the camps?
                    Think about these questions.

                    As for the "attacks" on the church - read the "Code of punishments".

                    Good luck.
      2. Atash
        Atash 7 May 2013 09: 59 New
        +1
        Stalin did not create those times. This time chose him.
  16. Rrv
    Rrv 6 May 2013 10: 55 New
    +1
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    1. Rrv
      Rrv 6 May 2013 10: 57 New
      0
      metrolog.org.ua/zdrav_ras_mas_repres

      www.ymuhin.ru/node/762/zhertvy-stalinskikh-repressii
  17. Boris55
    Boris55 6 May 2013 11: 04 New
    +5
    Quote: RRV

    Try here and traitors, policemen from the occupied territories, Vlasovites, Banderaites, green brothers and other bastards, whose hordes have now climbed into independent ...
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 6 May 2013 11: 30 New
      0
      Wholesale and speech.
  18. Atash
    Atash 6 May 2013 11: 26 New
    +8
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    everything is so-called. repressed were innocently convicted

    There is evidence of an emigrant (in a book written by him, it seems), that is, a person who does not make sense to lie already, that he was accepted into the counter-revolutionary organization by Nikolai Gumilyov, the same son of Lev Gumilyov. The Soviet country was 20 years old, it was not yet known whether this was for long.
    In 1932-33, the émigré militant organization announced its dissolution, explaining that there was no point in killing the chairman of a collective farm 1000 km from Moscow. That means they killed before that time. An American engineer of a metallurgical plant in the Urals testified that the management of the plant deliberately sent all raw materials to waste, and the secretary of the regional committee knew about it. Trotskyists tried to discredit Stalin's industrialization. Counter-revolution, sabotage, sabotage were real and on a real scale. "Repression" was a war, and as an element it was difficult to regulate. And one of the initiators of the first purge in the army in 1930 (operation "Spring") was Tukhachevsky. Then the military experts were removed from the tsarist army. In Civil, by the way, every headquarters had such military experts. Educated people, who knew about the French and other revolutions, considered everything that was happening to be a natural historical process and went to work for the new Russian government.
  19. Andrey57
    Andrey57 6 May 2013 11: 37 New
    +5
    The author in his article did not touch upon the motivation of the people to participate in the new industrialization - without revising the results of privatization, or rather plundering and destroying the industrial potential, there will be no enthusiasm and popular support. People will not tear the veins in the construction of factories for all sorts of prokhorovyh, potany, Deripaska, promissory notes and others, I write their names with a small letter, not because I am illiterate, but because I do not respect thieves.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 6 May 2013 12: 32 New
      +4
      "... People will not tear veins at the construction of factories for all sorts of Prokhorovs, Potanins, Deripaska, Vekselberg and others, I write their names with a small letter, not because I am illiterate, but because I do not respect thieves."
      Andrey57 (1)  Today, 11:37

      As long as there is no socialism in Russia, no nation-wide ownership of the main branches of the economy, there will be no significant development of industry and agriculture in Russia.
      In modern capitalist Russia, the country is ruled by temporary thieves who plunder our Motherland, and the loot is "hidden" abroad, because they are afraid to store the loot here, suddenly the people will come to their senses and call them to account.
      In order to revive Russia, it is necessary to return Soviet power and socialism to the people, which ensure decent development for most of the people, otherwise Russia cannot survive, there will be no such state — Russia.
  20. Isk1984
    Isk1984 6 May 2013 11: 38 New
    +4
    Well, here’s the Video about Putin where he with foam at the mouth proves that there was no beef cattle breeding in the USSR, he might not have spread it to me as a resident of the Orenburg region it was a shame to hear these words, in the days of the USSR we had feedlots of 12000 heads, and whole Institutions specializing in gelfords and other purely meat breeds, Putin apparently already believes that only he is right and the others don’t know anything ... take away the video, you don’t have to dishonor yourself and offend others in vain ... Better tell me when your idol is Chubais and Serdyukov will press ..
    1. Containers
      Containers 6 May 2013 17: 47 New
      +1
      You don’t understand what he’s talking about. As well as the citizens to whom he said this.
    2. polly
      polly 6 May 2013 22: 07 New
      -1
      They did it themselves and ate. I don’t remember in the shops of the stalls littered with meat in the Soviet years. We had a lot of whale meat in the Far East until the poor whales regretted it. Taiga, again, around, she fed us, so oh We have never heard of your production successes.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 6 May 2013 22: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: polly
        I don’t remember the stores littered with meat in the Soviet years

        Please clarify these years, please. because I still remember. Only after the reign of Khrushchev, little is left! fellow
  21. Boris55
    Boris55 6 May 2013 11: 42 New
    +2
    After the assassination of Stalin, the following document came out:
    "Top secret

    21.03.1953 G., N 149

    Considering that the construction of a number of hydraulic structures, railways, highways, and enterprises, envisaged by earlier resolutions of the Government, is not caused by the urgent needs of the national economy, the USSR Council of Ministers resolves:

    1. Stop the construction of the following objects:

    a) hydraulic structures - the Main Turkmen Canal; gravity channel Volga — Ural; Volgobalty waterway (second line); waterworks on the Lower Don; Ust-Donetsk port;

    b) railways and highways - Chum-Salekhard-Igarka railway (“Polar Trans-Siberian Railway”. - A.Ch.), incl. ship repair shops, a port and a village in the Igarka region; Komsomolsk — Pobedino railway; tunnel under the Tatar Strait; Apatity — Cave — Ponoy railway; railway Varfolomevka — Chuguevka - Olga bay; Chuguevka — Sergeevka railway; Arkhangelsk — Ruchi — Mezen railway; Krasnoyarsk-Yeniseisk railway; the railway Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky — Ust-Bolsheretsk; motorway Ust-Bolsheretsk — Ozerovsky fish factory; highways on the Kola Peninsula, in the Arkhangelsk and Murmansk regions and on the coast of the Baltic Sea;

    c) industrial enterprises - Kirov Chemical Plant; Montenegrin artificial liquid fuel plant; Aralichevsk artificial liquid fuel plant; shipyard metal shipbuilding in Osetrovo.

    2. To oblige the ministries: means of communication (t. Beshcheva), power plants and electric industries (t. Pervukhina), agriculture and billets of the USSR (t. Kozlov), sea and river fleet (t. Shashkov), metallurgical industry (t. Tevosyan), oil industry (t. Baybakova), chemical industry (t. Tikhomirov):

    a) within two weeks to work out and submit to the USSR Council of Ministers measures for the conservation or liquidation of the construction and cost estimates indicated in paragraph 1 for this purpose;
    b) take measures for the complete safety of unfinished construction objects, bring them to a condition suitable for conservation, and ensure the use of the utility enterprises, equipment and materials for other economic purposes that are terminated at construction.

    3. Oblige Gosplan USSR:

    a) make the necessary changes arising from this decree in the plans of the relevant ministries for 1953 year;

    b) withdraw funds for metal, fuel, building materials, equipment and other funds allocated for the 1953 year for objects terminated by construction.

    4. Oblige the Ministry of Defense of the USSR (t. Vasilevsky):

    a) to stop the acquisition of two road-building divisions, stipulated by the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR dated 30 in January 1953, No. 273-126-с, which are entrusted with the construction of the railway Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky — Ust-Bolsheretsk and the Ust-Bolsheretsk highway —Ozerkovsky fish factory;

    b) to disband the road military construction units formed on the basis of the Resolution of the Council of Ministers No. 3865-1767ss from 8 of October 1951 of the year to perform work on the construction of roads on the Kola Peninsula, in the Arkhangelsk Region and on the Baltic Sea coast.

    5. To oblige the USSR Ministry of Finance to make changes in the balance of income and expenditure for 1953 for the ministries in accordance with this decree. ”

    More details: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=479

    The Trotskyists returned.

    ... One of the reasons for the interest in the development of the USSR economy of the 70-80-year-old model is ...

    I do not quite understand why the author at the beginning of the article talks about the 70-80 years of the Brezhnev stagnation. Who "dreams" about them?
  22. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 May 2013 11: 44 New
    +3
    I would really like to applaud the achievements of Putin's Russia, but ... I see no reason. By the nature of my work, I have to spend my time, mostly on business trips, across the vast expanses of our Motherland, including what I see with my own eyes does not fit into the concept of "purposefully and successfully developing economy." What I see is stagnating production, supported by the enthusiasm of its individual participants and the only successful enterprises for pumping out and primary processing of numerous natural resources, and even these enterprises look far from being modern, but working for wear and tear. The few, so-called "modern" productions, in fact, are Euro-hangars bought abroad, in which not the first freshness are installed, assembly lines bought again abroad, which produce the final product, collecting it from components obtained, again from abroad. Everything is so called. public "achievements" of our economy are based on a simple "technique" of Rosstat, which counts everything in rubles, not in the number of units. As a result, due to inflation and the rise in price of the final product, the so-called increment of economic indicators appears. For example, a year ago an enterprise produced 1000 units of products worth 100 rubles apiece, that is, products worth 100000 rubles. In the same year, it produced only 500 units of products, but due to inflation and higher prices for fuel, logistics, kickbacks, etc., the unit cost was 300 rubles per unit. It turns out that the enterprise produced goods worth 150000 rubles. One gets the impression that the company produced more products, as much as 50000 rubles than last year, but this is wrong, in fact, there is a 2-fold drop in real production! This is the crafty economy of today's Russia.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 6 May 2013 11: 51 New
      -1
      You see in 90's momma sat under a skirt. You have nothing to compare.
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      As a result of inflation

      Is that how inflation in 6% affected?
      1. Rrv
        Rrv 6 May 2013 12: 21 New
        +1
        Real consumer inflation is shown in receipts for housing and communal services, and 6% is the average price increase between a loaf of bread and a Mercedes.
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 6 May 2013 12: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      in fact, there is a drop in real production by 2 times!

      how you cunningly manipulate numbers, and you want to make you believe that you are right. however, you are a sly one.
      and the fact that, for example, is also a simple example, just as you have cited - 2011 cars were produced in 1000, and 2012 cars were released in 1300. Is that then ???
      or - in 2011 you bought 10 pairs of socks, and in 2012 you bought 15 pairs of socks, according to your logic, you still didn’t buy 5 pairs of socks anymore? why don’t you mention these things ??? if REALLY the production of poultry meat has grown, then it still didn’t grow because you said so? fool
      tell us about the Estonian economy that you have there.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 6 May 2013 16: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: djon3volta
        how you cunningly manipulate numbers

        Why manipulate them, Zhenya?
        Manipulate or manipulate ..... Gas will rise in price by 15% in July. So in the fall we will get another price increase.
  23. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 May 2013 12: 01 New
    +4
    No, I did not sit, but tried to feed my family in every way. But only very narrow-minded people who have "profited" the gold reserves left over from the USSR and the "fat" oil years can "hide" for the 90s. I mean, we're talking about Stalin? So, this person, no matter how we treat him, raised the country after the devastation of the civil war, won the Second World War and raised the country from the ruins after the dire consequences of that war, that is, as one person said: he took the country with a plow, and left to others with an atomic bomb. And what are the achievements of Putin during all this time? We already know about Siberian Cranes .... and about the shelf and islands of Damansky, Tarabarov and others donated to the Norgs, donated to China ... etc. Yes, about inflation, I just gave a hypothetical example. And from the reality of the action of 6 percent inflation - two or even three times higher prices for utilities at the beginning of this year, to this, even Putin himself reacted: "Are they crazy ..."
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 6 May 2013 12: 42 New
      -1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      ... But only very narrow-minded people can "hide" in the 90s,

      People who in their verbiage do not take into account the complete economic and physical destruction of the country under the name of the USSR and the country that is being reborn in its place from the ashes of Russia are not just not far-off, but enemies of the motherland.

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      won World War II and raised the country from ruins after the grave consequences of that war

      Honor and glory to him! He won, but we lost, do you understand the difference or not?

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      And from the reality of the action of 6 percent inflation - in two or even three times more expensive utilities services earlier this year

      Is it your communal apartment that has risen in price so much? Is Putin also to blame for the fact that your neighbor doesn't wipe his ass? To put it mildly - you look like a "talker bird" (the admin blocks other words).

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      ... and about the shelf and the Damansky islands, Tarabarov, etc. presented to China, presented to China ... etc.

      Interstate agreements adopted in the Yeltsin era of government should be executed regardless of the name of the head of state.
  24. 11Goor11
    11Goor11 6 May 2013 12: 26 New
    +5
    The answer is very simple - the state built what is needed NOT for the paper and fucking profit, but for the sake of the MOST production of the NECESSARY goods. And now we are all deceived, we have been replaced by concepts. The state is withdrawing from production in the hope that there will be entrepreneurs who will do something like this (it doesn’t matter what exactly) and that their activities will bring MUCH MONEY. The goal of the state was not production capacities capable of creating THAT REAL, WHAT NEEDS, not competent specialists, capable of servicing this production, not scientists capable of creating new types of production, but only watermarked paper. Here she is kudrinomika in all its glory.
    Moreover, the paper that the Fed produces is more and more like speckled playing cards, and I doubt very much that someone will beat these cheaters with centuries of experience in their game.
    And for some reason, governments are convinced that accumulating more of these playing cards is a worthy goal in life.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 6 May 2013 13: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: 11Goor11
      ... Fed paper ...

      Do you understand this statement of Rothschild?
      "Let me manage the money of the country, and I don't care who sets the laws there."
      Do you understand that Russia is in complete financial dependence and what exactly they dictate to us all our domestic politics?

      Do you receive money on a plastic card? You guess why your last name is not written in Russian on it?
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 6 May 2013 13: 19 New
        +2
        I understand that.
        But looking at the actions of governments I'm not sure if they understand?
        But after all, they cannot be stupid, if so, and they understand everything, what’s interesting to me is that they are trying to get off this hook, or are they just properly performing the role of rural policemen?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 6 May 2013 14: 26 New
          -3
          They are trying.
          Russia will be independent only with a strong army and everything possible is being done for this. In the meantime - sabotage: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=764#p1372
          1. Atash
            Atash 6 May 2013 16: 09 New
            +1
            In 2008, at defense (!) Enterprises in Russia, wages were delayed for many months, if not a year. In 2008! I worked at that time at a seedy oil and fat plant (built in 1943, by the way), in our southern Kazakhstan, we received the 20th of the next month steadily, and soon began to receive the 10th. Maybe it's better now, but if in 2008 (not in the 90s!) They treated the defense industry this way, I think even now "everything possible" is not being done.
  25. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 May 2013 12: 37 New
    +3
    You are absolutely right. Now our leadership does not work, does not spend its strength and energy to develop their country, its economy, etc., but are looking for those who would do it for them, but not in terms of production, but in terms of bringing the greatest profit, and only. Unfortunately, our entire leadership, consisting of "effective managers", creates an economy according to Leni Golubkov's principle: "We are sitting, and the money is going."
  26. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 May 2013 12: 57 New
    +2
    "Is Putin to blame?" This is the last argument that is given to the opponent to prove that the opponent is to blame for the fact that he destroyed the country and did not rebuild a happy and powerful one. So again, about Stalin, we're all about him, isn't it, isn't it? It was not Stalin himself who built the Dneprogess, he did not personally plow at numerous construction sites, did not work in the Gulag himself, etc. He LEADED the country, he built a system of effective leadership of the country and planning its construction, but with shortcomings and excesses, but he built it and made it work. And Putin is to blame! And he is to blame for the fact that he flies with Siberian Cranes and dives for amphorae, instead of reading the protocol of interrogation of the accused Serdyukov, Chubais, etc. in his office. close ones completely ignoring the interests of the rest of the country's population.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 6 May 2013 13: 05 New
      0
      Stalin won the war, and we lost it. Do you understand the difference or not?

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      ... to blame for the fact that he did not build the country's development system, but the system of pumping money out of it ...

      He built or was it built before him (including advisers from the CIA)? Have you heard about Sakhalin -1, 2?
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 6 May 2013 14: 29 New
        -2
        Boris55 do not argue, it’s useless. People have long been inspired and imposed the opinion that everything is bad and we are the worst. They are welcomed when they say negative things about present-day Russia, and if they say something positive, they either don’t pay attention to you or you don’t say prav.eto on all sites around the internet as it’s popular under hypnosis, people like to read negative than positive. there’s a good article fresh, read, though there’s also a negative at the end, but many haters of the current regime will like it, let them enjoy http : //ns-rus.com/korol-kris/
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 6 May 2013 15: 06 New
          0
          Thanks for the link. I read it. Interesting comparison.
          I’ll copy myself to the forum: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=765#p1373

          Interesting video. They do not hide this, being sure that we will not understand this ...
          The ancient Egyptian priests trick one of the nomadic tribes, which later became the Levitical tribe from which to this day rabbis are appointed. The rest of the chosen ones roam in the distance, eavesdropping and peeping.



          If you want to discuss this issue - come to my forum, there I am the owner :)
        2. Atash
          Atash 6 May 2013 16: 34 New
          +1
          I am a fan of the Russian national football team, and at work, I heard everyone's ears after the Vancouver hockey semifinals. When Yeltsin landed the paratroopers in Belgrade, I felt proud. I feel sorry for Russia when I see GDP. We, my country, need a strong Russia, and all the former Sov. the republics need it, maybe even the Baltics. The mistake of the Russians is that they allow such "leaders" to be imposed on themselves. You can inspire yourself with anything, but it makes no sense for us to deceive ourselves. Under Yeltsin, the secretary of state went to NATO, Solana (the secretary general) ran out onto the porch to meet him, did not sit in the building. Here is a man forced to respect Russia. Before that, as a general, he sent not only his minister Grachev, but also the future Secretary of State Albright, who appeared as an emissary to Moldova. And when VVP travels over the hill, not every dog ​​will look out of the kennel.
          If the Russian prime minister went to Germany and delivered a speech in German, that’s good, that’s Russia’s plus. But if you are president, if you know German, forget him. Not that don’t say - do not understand point blank. Where the president of RUSSIA is, everything should be in Russian. You already rendered them great honor when you arrived. This is what a person holding the presidency should understand. It should be in his spinal cord.
          1. Dima67
            Dima67 6 May 2013 17: 19 New
            +3
            What about EBN? Joke? How respected he is, we know, and this is not funny.
            1. Atash
              Atash 7 May 2013 10: 26 New
              0
              I myself have seen (in the sense of a contemporary) Yeltsin’s entire career, and I do not understand this attitude to him point-blank. He led the country through the 90s. If on the fences everything was written about him, then because he allowed, and the people were hungry and evil. I don’t know, deep down, maybe, but I’m sure that he, his, Russians, Russians respected and trusted him. Without this, at that time there was no way to stay on the throne. And he left like that. Calm, unexpected for everyone.
              He was the first secretary of the Moscow City Party Committee. The position at one time Khrushchev, by the way. Well, the party career was no longer shining, perhaps it was already clear to him. But he could easily live his life easily, like the rest of the Politburo. There is Ryzhkov’s son in the Duma, the head of a faction or party, something there. After all, his father worked with Yeltsin in the Urals. Received, they say, from him. Why was it necessary to interrupt a calm life, to criticize Gorbachev at the plenum, which is still in full force, to experience public beating throughout the country, to lose everything. I remind you, the post of first secretary of the Moscow City Committee. Then he washed down, it was a difficult moment. And then he handed over a membership card, looking into the eyes of the hissing hall of the congress. This is called conscience and courage, which everyone, if they are not aware, but feel behind it. Putin is now weakly landing in Belgrade, and then Russia's position was weaker than now, but Yeltsin again acted in good faith, had the courage to directly confront the States.
    2. Atash
      Atash 7 May 2013 10: 04 New
      0
      How famous is the next rhyme?

      I swam in the submarines
      Flew on airplanes
      Threw on a tatami
      And put to work.
  27. Alexey M
    Alexey M 6 May 2013 13: 53 New
    +1
    Control was in the country for everything and were not afraid to ask and people were encouraged and imprisoned for not fulfilling. But the main thing is control! Is this what prevents the modern government from controlling its endeavors?
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 6 May 2013 14: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Alexey M
      Is this what prevents the modern government from controlling its endeavors?


      Obviously, the Authority has other goals than declares.
      1. Atash
        Atash 6 May 2013 16: 39 New
        +1
        Balabolka!
  28. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 6 May 2013 14: 32 New
    +6
    And what kind of talk can there be, if we still live on the Stalinist legacy, let's not compare the current Russian economy weaving in the tail and the 2nd world economy of the Stalin era.
  29. Bas luis
    Bas luis 6 May 2013 15: 14 New
    +4
    It’s our duty to open our eyes about the truth of the one that was stolen from us, pass it on, everyone should know. The people should know the truth, who rules Ukraine and in other republics of the USSR — these are the ones that harmed the USSR and ruined a great power !! And now they all have power and tearing to power, but brought to power these unscrupulous KRAVCHUK YELTSIN SUSHKEVICH which must be judged by wartime ..
    Today's pseudo-democrats presidents, in contrast to Stalin, express the interests of a handful of super-rich "oligarchs". AND CLICK ONE OF THEM, since he is with the bandits, liars and scoundrels who vilify our entire history of the USSR! Especially on the part of those who are for the EU NATO America for the capitalists is a gang of traitors who want to destroy our people and Ukrainu.U we had one patriot of our people this is STALIN! Stalin acted in the interests of the entire people. What Stalin did for the common people, no president of the world could raise the country in such a short time as Stalin
  30. Bas luis
    Bas luis 6 May 2013 15: 18 New
    +7
    Stalin managed to raise the country from ruins twice, in 5 years he lifted the whole country of the USSR, all cities recovered and hunger of 30 brought the country out in 2 years when this abomination was transplanted, whose children and grandchildren are destroying Ukraine timothy eggs. Stalin didn’t have the technology of the industry that today’s gangs of redneck kravchuki have, Stalin didn’t have factories, technics, and there weren’t any crises, unemployment, 300 tons of factories were built every year, the economy was rising, products were getting cheaper every year, the standard of living was simple man improved every year, and the Democrats 25 years old only the destruction of our people. This is our problem. MAIDANOUS LINEAR DESTRUCERS OF UKRAINE, Kravchukists, banderlogs are able to blacken what was for the people, and for 25 years they didn’t have the mind. They have their own interests and not the people
  31. Dima67
    Dima67 6 May 2013 15: 20 New
    +4
    Quote: nnz226
    ... Yes, and you can read what remained after Stalin's death from his belongings, and compare it with the "legacy" of Leonid Brezhnev, the now living Mikhail Gorbachev ... so that "they stole on a grand scale" (about the Stalinist Politburo) is not convincing ...

    Remained: Boots, tunic and pipe. Hello everyone. With past and upcoming holidays YOU ALL !!!
    1. Bas luis
      Bas luis 6 May 2013 15: 26 New
      +4
      The Stalin system existed until 76, until the werewolves with party tickets changed the Stalinist constitution to their own for werewolves such as Gorbachev Kravchuk Yeltsin and similar shifters ..
  32. Rrv
    Rrv 6 May 2013 15: 55 New
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    1. Rrv
      Rrv 6 May 2013 16: 08 New
      +1
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    2. Boris55
      Boris55 6 May 2013 16: 28 New
      +2
      When prices fall, the poor get richer (their purchasing power increased), and when prices rise (inflation) the rich get richer.

      1. Rrv
        Rrv 6 May 2013 16: 57 New
        -1
        All right. We can only add that inflation is inevitable in the economy of loan interest rates, otherwise there will simply be nothing to repay loans (GDP growth also provides either inflation or ever-increasing consumption, but the latter is impossible in principle).
  33. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 34 New
    -4
    Many do not like Suvorov (mostly those who have not read). However, now it is not about Suvorov, but about a specific fragment of the test from his books. If anyone specifically does not like this fragment, refute or argue.

    The communists came to power under beautiful slogans. Back in October 1905, they published the program of their party in the newspaper Novaya Zhizn. Among many other points: a short working day with a complete prohibition of overtime work, the prohibition of night work, the prohibition of child labor (under 16), the prohibition of female labor in those industries where it is harmful to the female body, the introduction of two days off a week. It is clear that two separate days off a week were not recognized as a full-fledged rest: we need two days together.
    And a lot has been written there, but the essence of the program (and all other communist programs) can be expressed with one slogan: we will work less and less, and get more and more. The slogan is attractive. Millions of fools liked the slogan; in October 1917 the Communists took power, which was accompanied by the joyful cries of those who wanted to work less.
    The communist government did not refuse promises, but good communist power must be kept, it must be protected from external and internal enemies, and for this we need a lot of weapons. Consequently, the people must work harder than before, otherwise the capitalists will return and exploit the working masses again.
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 7 May 2013 12: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Dr.M.
      Many do not like Suvorov (mostly those who have not read).

      I read, but there’s not much sense in it. No. At one time, the rezunoids ate for breakfast, then fed up. Themselves will die out hi
  34. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 35 New
    -5
    In order to protect good power, the Communists introduced draconian orders in factories: every worker is a soldier of the labor army, die, but fulfill the impossible norm, otherwise the capitalists will return ...
    "Is it true," Leon Trotsky asked at the III All-Russian Congress of Trade Unions in April 1920, "that forced labor is always productive? My answer: this is the most pitiful and most vulgar prejudice of liberalism." And Trotsky began to form workers' armies according to the most atrocious recommendations that Marx outlined in the "Manifesto of the Communist Party". Marx believed in slave labor (let's read the Manifesto again), and Trotsky believed.
    Slave labor yielded results while the country was in war. But the Civil War ended, and in peaceful conditions, slave labor was unproductive. The country was struck by an unprecedented crisis, and the factories closed, and there was no work. The Communists struggled with unemployment, reducing the working day and working week, turning everyone into semi-unemployed with the corresponding pay. Instead of a seven-day week, they introduced a five-day one - we work four days, we rest for a fifth. And it turned out in the year not 52 weeks, but 73 with the corresponding number of days off.
    And they introduced a whole bunch of holidays, like the Paris Commune Day. If you want holidays, you can come up with a lot. And the working day was short surprisingly for the whole world. This was declared the conquests of the working class, the conquests of October.
    And then the working day began to stretch out a little. The country spun, spun. They thundered and grated five-year plans. Construction sites shot up into the sky: Dneproges, Magnitogorsk, Komsomolsk. True, the paycheck, or rather its purchasing power, froze at the level of semi-unemployment benefits. The people worked more and more, but the standard of living did not grow, although Comrade Stalin announced that life became better and life became more fun. Everything created by the people went into the bottomless barrel of the military-industrial complex and was absorbed by the Red Army.
  35. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 35 New
    -4
    They erected, for example, the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station, and an aluminum plant nearby. The American researcher Anthony Sutton, who collected material on the transfer of Western technology to Stalin, cites the fact that the Zaporizhzhya Aluminum Plant was the most powerful and most modern in the world (A.S. Sutton. National Suicide: Military aid to the Soviet Union. Arlington house. NY p. 174). The electricity of Dneproges is to produce winged metal - aluminum, aluminum - to aircraft factories, and aircraft factories, it is known what products are produced.
    And with Magnitogorsk the same picture: we are building blast furnaces, open-hearth furnaces, we are cooking steel, we produce more than anyone else in the world of tanks, but the standard of living cannot rise from this.
    Or Komsomolsk. Polar Komsomol members in the taiga are building a wonderful city with heroic efforts. What for? And then, what’s the most powerful aircraft factory in the world being built here with free labor in the supply of everything needed from America.
    And the flywheel is gaining momentum. And it was necessary to work more and more. For the past five days, the working week has been turned into a six-day one, and the working day has been brought to the level of world standards, and a little higher. And the number of holidays was cut: it is necessary, of course, to celebrate the day of Lenin's death, but in his spare time from work.
    And then came 1939, followed by 1940. And somehow it became indecent to remember the "conquests of October", about the promises of the Communist Party, about its slogans.
    In 1939, mandatory production standards were introduced on collective farms: the collective farm is voluntary, but if you don’t fulfill the norm, we’ll plant it.
    On May 27, 1940, the Council of People's Commissars issued a decree "On increasing the role of foremen at heavy engineering plants." To put it mildly, a harsh ruling. The foreman at the plant was endowed with no less rights than the company foreman. You read the decree, and instead of the master Uncle Vasya in iron glasses, in an oiled robe, with a check in his left pocket, you imagine an overseer with a whip at the construction of the Egyptian pyramid or with a bamboo stick at the construction of the Great Wall.
  36. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 35 New
    -4
    On June 26, 1940, a decree thundered over the country "On the transition to an eight-hour working day, to a seven-day working week and on the prohibition of unauthorized departure of workers and employees from enterprises and institutions." You like the master with a bamboo stick, you don't like it, but you can't leave the factory. On what job you find the decree, stay on that one. You cannot settle accounts with the plant and leave. The workers are assigned to the plant, like galley rowers chained to the oars, like Soviet peasants to a collective farm, like half-educated pilots to airplanes. Was it worthwhile to put Tsar Nikolai Alexandrovich and the Heir to the wall in order to be assigned to the plant along with the machines and production lines? You can talk for a long time about the horrors of autocracy, but this did not happen under Nicholas.
    The decree of June 2, 1940 already in its title contradicted not only the generally accepted rules in the world, but also the Stalinist Constitution of 1936 itself, moreover, on many points at once. The Stalinist Constitution, for example, guaranteed a seven-hour work day.


    And on the same day - the resolution of the Council of People's Commissars "On increasing the nominal output and reducing prices."
    On July 10, 1940, there was another decree: "On liability for the release of low-quality products and for non-compliance with mandatory standards by industrial enterprises." If the master cannot cope with the bamboo stick, comrades from the NKVD will help. By the way, the decree is also against the master: if he does not monitor the quality of the products properly, then first of all he himself will thunder into protected places.
  37. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 36 New
    -4
    And decrees go on in succession. August 10, 1940: "On criminal liability for petty theft at work" - camp terms for a screwdriver, for a nut taken away in a pocket.
    On October 19, 1940, another decree: "On the procedure for the obligatory transfer of engineers, technicians, foremen, office workers and skilled workers from one enterprise and institution to another." It is impossible to switch from one job to another, but shell, cannon, tank, aircraft factories are growing, they are staffed with labor in a planned centralized manner: you, you, you and these ten, pack your suitcases, tomorrow you will go where they are ordered ... This is already Trotskyism. Trotsky dreamed that everyone was "a soldier of labor who cannot freely dispose of himself; if an order is given to throw it over, he must fulfill it; if he does not fulfill it, he will be a deserter who is punished." (Speech at the IX Party Congress).
    Each decree of 1940 generously poured dates, especially to truants. By decree of June 26, they were imprisoned for absenteeism, and absenteeism was considered to be late for work over 20 minutes. The tram was broken, being late for work, late for work - to the camps: there they will not let you be late.
    I have heard many times the discussions of communist professors: was not Stalin paranoid? Here, they say, there is evidence of his mental illness: he put communists in prison and executioners (for example, Tukhachevsky and Yakir) shot ...
    No, comrade communists, Stalin was not paranoid. Great landings were needed in order to introduce the decrees of 1940 after them, and so that no one would pickle. This year's decrees are the final transfer of the country's economy to wartime. This is mobilization.
    The labor legislation of 1940 was so perfect that during the war it was neither necessary to amend nor supplement it.
  38. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 37 New
    -2
    And the working day was getting longer and wider: the nine-hour quietly turned into a ten-hour, then - into an eleven-hour. And they allowed overtime work: if you want to earn extra money, stay in the evening. The government prints the money, distributes it to overtime enthusiasts, and then defuncts this money back from the population. And the people are short of money again. Then the government goes to meet the people: you can work seven days a week. For lovers. Then, however, it was introduced for everyone - to work seven days a week.
    Leonid Brezhnev was at that time the secretary of the Dnepropetrovsk regional committee for the defense industry: "The factories that produced purely peaceful products were switching to war rails ... We did not know the weekend." (Small earth. P. 16). If Brezhnev did not know the days off, then were the days off given to those whom he commanded?
    And so it was not only in Dnepropetrovsk. IN AND. After the war Kuznetsov became an academician, one of the leading Soviet missile designers, deputy S.P. Queen. Before the war, he was also a designer, only of a lower rank. And they set the task: to develop a new artillery fire control device. Works for many years. Ordered: three months in advance. “We worked late, seven days a week, without vacations. Leaving the territory, they handed over a pass, and in return received a passport. Once at the checkpoint, they turned it up:
    - Here you are, Kuznetsov, food stamps, here is the key to the room, there are tables and a bed. Until you do, you'll live at the factory ...
    Three months of "confinement" flew by in one long day. The devices were taken out of the factory at night. "(Krasnaya Zvezda, January 7, 1989).
  39. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 37 New
    -3
    In the article about Kuznetsov, the word "conclusion" is put in quotation marks. It is clear: no trial, no investigation, no charges - they just ordered him to work for three months day and night, and he worked. But the future chief of Kuznetsov and the creator of the first satellite S.P. Korolyov was sitting in those glorious times. And many are with him.
    And here again you begin to understand the meaning of the Great Stalinist purge. Stalin needs the best airplanes, the best tanks, the best guns in the Stakhanov era, but so that there is not much money to spend on development. And now the designers are in prisons, in sharaga; give the best dive bomber in the world, the best tank, the best gun - let’s release it. The designers are not injecting money for Stalin’s prizes, not for summer houses on the Crimean shores, not for caviar and champagne, but for their own heads: there will be no plane, pushed to Kolyma.
    The design bureaus of Tupolev, Petlyakov and many others sat in full force and worked behind prison bars: reliable, cheap, fast, and secrets would not float away. Tupolev's deputy G. Ozerov recalls: "Volnyag" was transferred to the obligatory ten-hour working day, most Sundays they also work ... The people are growing confidence in the inevitable war, people understand this in their gut ... "(Tupolev Sharaga, p. 99).
    And then the working day was brought to 12 o'clock. With normal feeding on the sharaga, you can work more in the warmth. And in the felling? The Novoye Vremya magazine reports: "Since January 1, 1941, the prisoners' nutritional standards have been lowered. Why? Maybe this was due to the preparation for future battles? ..." (1991, N 32, p. 31). This is exactly how preparation for future battles.
  40. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 38 New
    -3
    Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union N. G. Kuznetsov proudly reports: "Essentially unlimited funds were allocated for defense needs." (The day before. P. 270). The word "defense" should have been put in quotation marks here, but otherwise it is correct. And because funds were allocated for the needs of the war without restrictions, somewhere restrictions had to be introduced, on something to save. They saved money on prisoners, on the working class, on the working intelligentsia, on the collective farm peasantry.
    But heads flew at the top. We will find echoes of the great battle in the press of that time. The journal "Problems of Economics" for October 1940: "The representative of the dictatorship of the working class, the Soviet director of the enterprise, has full power. His word is law, his power in production must be dictatorial ... A Soviet business executive has no right to evade the use of the sharpest weapon - the power that the party and the state have entrusted to him. The production commander, who avoids the use of the most cruel measures against violators of state discipline, discredits himself in the eyes of the working class as a person who does not justify trust. "

    And it turned out: the master is a dictator of the workers. And the superior is the dictator over the master, and so on higher and higher to the director, who is the dictator in the factory. And above him, too, dictators of the horde. And it is consonant with everything that is said about the director-dictator with the disciplinary charter of 1940: to make subordinates obey, the commander has the right and obligation to use all means, up to weapons. If he uses weapons against his subordinates, he does not bear responsibility for the consequences, and if he does not use them, he himself will be brought to the tribunal. And the directors were placed under the same conditions: either they were all biting, or lie in the mud, and they put the new director in your place.
    And Pravda spurs it on - on August 18, 1940: "148 absenteeism were found in the factories of Leningrad, and only 78 cases were brought to court." Some directors show softness. Let us be sure that not only those whom the proletarian newspaper mentioned, not only the directors who showed softness, but also those who did not put the directors before the publication of Pravda, sat down after this publication.
  41. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 38 New
    -2
    Khrushchev once declared that Stalin led the war around the globe, that is, he did not go into details, but set global tasks.
    Apart from Khrushchev, no one said such nonsense. Hundreds of people who knew Stalin closely say different.
    Stalin knew thousands (perhaps tens of thousands) of names. Stalin knew the entire high command of the NKVD, knew all his generals. Stalin personally knew weapons designers, directors of the largest factories, heads of concentration camps, secretaries of regional committees, investigators of the NKVD and the NKGB, hundreds: thousands of Chekists, diplomats, leaders of the Komsomol, trade unions, etc., etc. Stalin never made a mistake in 30 years, saying the name of the official faces. Stalin knew the characteristics of many weapons, especially experimental ones. Stalin knew the amount of weapons produced in the country. Stalin's notebook became famous as the horse of Alexander the Great. This book was all about the production of weapons in the country.
    Since November 1940, directors of aircraft factories were to personally report to the Central Committee on the number of aircraft produced every day. Since December, this rule has been extended to directors of tank, artillery and shell factories.
    And Stalin personally crushed. He had such a technique: he wrote a written commitment on behalf of the directors and people's commissars with his own hand and let them sign ... If you don’t sign it, they will be removed from office with the corresponding consequences. If you sign and do not fulfill ...
    Colonel General A. Shakhurin in those days was the People's Commissar of the aviation industry. Shakhurin's predecessor - M. Kaganovich - was shot and shot himself, without waiting for the consequences of the removal. Shakhurin took the post of Kaganovich. And so he dines with Stalin. January 1941 Stalin's lunch
    - This is a very late dinner. The servants laid the table, put all the dishes and no longer enter the room. Business conversation. On the release of aircraft. Aircraft release schedules approved. Shakhurin knows that the aviation industry will release the planned number of the latest aircraft. Because calm. But Stalin did not only have what was planned for release and what he himself approved. Need more. And then:
    “Stalin, taking a sheet of paper, began to write:“ Obligation (the title underlined). We, Shakhurin, Dementyev, Voronin, Balandin, Kuznetsov, Khrunichev (my deputies), hereby undertake to increase the daily production of new combat aircraft in June 1941 to 50 aircraft per day. "" Can you, - he says, - sign such a document? " You wrote more than one of my surnames, - I answer, - and that's right, we have a large team. Allow me to discuss and give an answer tomorrow. "" Good, "Stalin said. The commitment was taken by us and fulfilled. Stalin was busy with our work every day, and not a single disruption in the schedule passed by him." ("Questions of history", 1974, No. 2. p. 95).
  42. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 38 New
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    Stalin made a loop, and aviation industry leaders had to put the Stalin loop on their necks themselves.
    A commitment was signed by the People's Commissar and his deputies, now we can imagine how they will use their dictatorial powers against the directors of aviation plants. And the directors - with their dictatorial powers against the heads of workshops and production facilities. And they ... And so on to the master in an oiled robe. By the way, at least one from the Stalinist list - Vasily Petrovich Balandin, Deputy People's Commissar for Engines - sat down in early June 1941. The Russian language is beautiful - prisoner Balandin. His accomplices were shot. Balandin was lucky: he was released in July. Aircraft designer Yakovlev describes his return: "Vasily Petrovich Balandin, haggard, shaved bald, has already occupied his office in the People's Commissariat and continued to work, as if nothing had happened to him ..." (Purpose of life. S.
    227).
    It remains for us to find out when the mobilization race in industry began and how it could end.
    It is clear that decisions were made in the depths of Stalin's dachas. But decisions made in secret were announced, albeit not completely, albeit allegorically. The decisions taken were carried out by the whole country, in front of the whole world. It's like in the army: a soldier does not know what and when his superiors decided, but to dig a trench for him. And it does not matter at all who made the decision, the soldier will be brought up and the execution will be checked. And if we do not know what decisions and when Stalin made, we can see their implementation. Decisions have always come, allegedly, not from Stalin, but from the delegates to the party congress, from the Supreme Soviet, from representatives of the working people. (The decree of June 26, 1940 was also adopted "on the initiative of the trade unions"). And the people's commissars wrote commitments in their own name: "We, Shakhurin, Dementyev, Voronin, Balandin ..." True, they wrote in Stalin's handwriting, but signed with their own hand.
    The eighteenth party congress was a harbinger of the mobilization of industry for the needs of "the war. And do not think that he spoke; at the congress Stalin said that it is necessary to work hard for 10-12 hours. Not at all. Stalin did not like such words. Stalin's style of public speaking:" To live it got better, comrades. Life has become more fun. "(Pravda, November 22, 1935).
    And the then unknown Vyacheslav Malyshev spoke at the XVIII Congress. His speech on March 19, 1939 should be read. It is a masterpiece. According to the tradition of that time, Pravda did not indicate the positions of the speakers at the congress and even their initials; "Comrade Malyshev's speech," and not a word more. Not everyone in the audience knew what this goose was. And this is a nominee on takeoff. A ferocious Stalinist tiger. He is 36. A year ago he became the director of the plant, a month ago - the People's Commissar of Heavy Engineering. In a year he will become Molotov's deputy, in May 1941 - Stalin's deputy.
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    It is not easy to become Stalin's deputy. Malyshev became one at the age of 38. Moreover, he remained in office until Stalin's death and then remained deputy head of the Soviet government almost until his death. In addition to the post of Stalin's deputy, Malyshev will be the People's Commissar of the tank industry throughout the war, receive the military rank of colonel-general and the unofficial titles of "Commander-in-Chief of the Tank Industry", "Prince of Tankogradsky", etc. Malyshev is Zhukov of the Soviet industry. Soviet tanks ended the war in Berlin. Malyshev's merit in this is no less than Zhukov's.
    Knowing today how Malyshev's career took shape during the war and after it, we must once again read Comrade Malyshev's speech on March 19, 1939, and it is in this speech that we should look for clues to the question of the beginning of the pre-mobilization period in Soviet industry. Malyshev said exactly what was required to be said at the beginning of 1939. He not only spoke, but did exactly what Stalin required. Otherwise, Malyshev would not have become Stalin's deputy.
    And then - like a petrel of forthcoming decrees - on August 24, 1939, an article by the same Malyshev "On staff turnover and labor force reserves" appeared in Izvestia. Malyshev's article already contained everything that a year later would be cast into the chased lines of Stalin's decrees on the enslavement of the labor force, on "labor reserves" and on the actual transformation of industry into a single mechanism working for war.
    A surprising coincidence: on August 23, 1939, they signed a pact with Hitler, and the next day an article of the harbinger appeared. It seems: first on August 23 they signed a pact with Hitler, and the next day an article appeared urging sharpening axes. But events developed in the opposite order: first they decided to sharpen axes, and then they signed a pact with Hitler. The article appeared on August 24, but was typed on the 23rd. And t Malyshev wrote it earlier, that is, before the signing of the pact.
    When the Kremlin shook hands with Ribbentrop and drank to Hitler's health, the draconian decrees of 1940 were already a foregone conclusion. I do not exclude that it was Malyshev who initiated them, for which he was raised to the post of Deputy Prime Minister for Industry, bypassing all his colleagues and rivals. The idea of ​​stopping the turnover of labor by introducing serfdom in factories and organizing "labor reserves" was reported to Stalin in August 1939 and clearly met with support. Otherwise Malyshev would not have published such an article.
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    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 18: 39 New
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    Even then Malyshev knew what the total mobilization of industry would lead to. And he is not alone: ​​"The economy receives one-sided military development, which cannot continue indefinitely. It either leads to war, or due to unproductive costs of maintaining the armed forces and other military goals, to economic bankruptcy" This is said by Marshal of the Soviet Union V.D. Sokolovsky after the war (Military strategy. P. 284).
    This simple idea was understood even before the war: "The transition of almost the entire economy of the country to the production of military products means an inevitable reduction in the supply of the peaceful needs of the population and a complete depression of industry: industries that are not important for defense will have to stop working very quickly, and those who work for defense. " This was written in 1929 by an outstanding Soviet military theorist
    VC. Triandafill. (The nature of operations of modern armies. P. 50).
    And here is the opinion of Colonel-General Boris Vannikov. Vannikov is the same type of Stalinist People's Commissar as Malyshev. Stalin himself appropriated the Golden Star of Hero of Socialist Labor with number 1. Boris Vannikov received such a star in the top ten cavaliers. Stalin stopped there. And after the war, Stalin gave Vannikov a second Gold Star. And Vannikov became the first twice Hero of Socialist Labor. For the creation of a nuclear charge. Soon Vannikov became the country's first three times Hero of Socialist Labor. For the creation of a thermonuclear charge. Before the war, Boris Vannikov was the People's Commissar of Armaments, and during the war - the People's Commissar of ammunition. His opinion: "Not a single state, no matter how strong the economy it may have, will withstand if the defense industry switches to wartime during the peace period." ("Questions of history", 1969. N 1, p. 130).
    So the leaders knew what they were doing. Having begun the transfer of industry to wartime, they knew that this would lead to war.
    By the way, Vannikov himself was taken in early June 1941. He was tortured, he was being prepared for execution. Of the fifteen accomplices, two were released, thirteen were shot. Motives of arrest in the darkness. And no matter what they were accused of. Is it really necessary to accuse a person of exactly what he is to blame? Another thing is important: mass arrests in industry from a worker who was twenty-one minutes late, and ending with people's commissars who were not late anywhere, had the goal of creating a front-line situation in the rear in peacetime.
    When the deputies of the People’s Commissars and the People’s Commissars themselves from their torture chambers suddenly haggard, again fell into their ministerial chairs, it immediately became clear to everyone that they needed to work better: Comrade Stalin needed a lot of weapons.


    Questions:
    1. Are those here ready to do this?
    2. Why? It seems we are not going to take over the world anymore.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 6 May 2013 19: 52 New
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      Quote: Dr.M.
      1. Are those here ready to do this?
      2. Why? It seems we are not going to take over the world anymore.

      And the first and second questions can be answered - For the sake of the well-being of the people and the whole country, YOU CAN WORK AND SO! And not at all to capture the world!

      Well, personally, D-R.M. - Well it is necessary to take so much space for this lie from Suvorov's "creations" !!! Do you really think that someone will change their mind because of this scribble? Don't waste your gunpowder! The wrong ones were attacked! You are MAD!
  45. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 20: 07 New
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    Fidget, what exactly is a lie? Poke your finger and say - this is a lie, this decree was not? See everything, another one NOT reading, but condemning. Which of us is disgusting to the public. Personally, however, I and her (the public) are not interested in the opinion.
    1. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 7 May 2013 04: 00 New
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      Quote: Dr.M.
      Poke your finger and say - this is a lie, this decree was not?

      There was a decree, only it is not necessary to misinterpret it:
      The peculiarity of the Soviet calendar of the 30s was that there was a six-day week (the so-called six-day week) with a fixed day of rest per 6, 12, 18, 24 and 30 the number of each month (March 1 was used instead of February 30, every 31 day was considered as an extra working day).
      From the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR "On the transition to an eight-hour working day, a seven-day working week and the prohibition of unauthorized withdrawal of workers and employees from enterprises and institutions."
      1. To increase the working hours of workers and employees in all state, cooperative and public enterprises and institutions:

      from seven to eight hours - in enterprises with a seven-hour working day;

      from six to seven hours - at work with a six-hour working day, with the exception of occupations with hazardous working conditions, according to lists approved by the SNK of the USSR;

      from six to eight hours - for employees of institutions;

      from six to eight hours - for persons who have reached 16 years.

      2. To transfer work in all state, cooperative and public enterprises and institutions from six days to seven days, considering the seventh day of the week - Sunday - as a day of rest.

      3. To prohibit the unauthorized departure of workers and employees from state, cooperative and public enterprises and institutions, as well as the unauthorized transfer from one enterprise to another or one institution to another.

      Only the director of the enterprise or the head of the institution can authorize the departure from the enterprise and the institution or the transition from one enterprise to another and from one institution to another.

      The resignation letter is still signed by the director.
      Quote: Dr.M.
      By decree of June 26, they were imprisoned for absenteeism, and absenteeism was considered to be late for work over 20 minutes. The tram was broken, being late for work, late for work - to the camps: there they will not let you be late.

      5. To establish that workers and employees who voluntarily left state, cooperative and public enterprises or institutions are tried and are sentenced by the people's court to imprisonment from 2 months to 4 months.
      To establish that for absenteeism without good reason, workers and employees of state, cooperative and public enterprises and institutions are prosecuted and, upon the verdict of the people's court, are punished with correctional labor at the place of work for up to 6 months withheld from wages up to 25%.
      In this regard, to abolish compulsory dismissal for absenteeism without good reason.
      To propose to the people's courts all cases specified in this article to be considered no more than in 5-day period and to execute sentences in these cases immediately.

      And where is the ban on absenteeism?
  46. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 20: 19 New
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    Egoza- (may the moderators forgive me, paying attention to who started it) and does not suspect, due to his stupidity, that Suvorov has a very high opinion of Stalin as a person. Well, what a fool to take. I have not read but condemn (c).

    From Suvorov (Victory is coming soon, so it’s all the same to the topic).

    We will not argue: without Hitler, Germany would have been a completely different state, like the Soviet Union - without Stalin. Therefore, since it was about who was better prepared for war, it makes sense to turn our eyes to Stalin and Hitler, because so much depended on these two people.
    First of all, we will appreciate the ability to listen, because the one who knows how to listen is always stronger than the one who does not know how and always defeats him. This is not even a skill, but a talent. The ability alone - the gift, if you want - to listen to the person you are talking with, puts a person in the category of outstanding personalities, since this ability is extremely rare among the two-legged inhabitants of planet Earth.
    Marshal of the Soviet Union D.F. Ustinov testifies: “Stalin had a unique ability to work, great willpower, great organizational talent ... Knowing the weight of his word, Stalin tried not to reveal his attitude to the issue under discussion for the time being, most often he either sat in a detached position, or walked almost silently around the office, so it seemed that he was very far from the subject of conversation, thinking about something of his own. And suddenly a short remark was heard, sometimes turning the conversation into a new one and, as later often turned out, the only right direction ”(In the Name of Victory. M .: Military Publishing House, 1988. P. 91).
    I can give two dozen such descriptions: this is how Churchill, the envoy of Roosevelt Hopkins, Hitler’s Foreign Minister Ribbentrop, spoke about Stalin, this is how marshals, generals and ministers describe Stalin.
    The great Machiavelli recommended that the sovereigns speak as little as possible. Stalin complied with this recommendation. He listened carefully and was silent like a sphinx in the sand. And if he spoke, then he did not throw words into the wind. “Stalin formulated his thoughts and decisions clearly, clearly, concisely, with inexorable logic. I didn’t like extra words and didn’t say them ”(Ustinov. P. 92). And the opposite is told about Hitler. Hitler did not know how and did not want to listen to anyone. Hitler spoke himself. Stalin came to power as a silent conspirator, Hitler as a throaty speaker. But talkativeness is contraindicated to the dictator. Having gained power, Hitler had to suppress his desire to make speeches. He had to turn into a silent Fuhrer, who carefully listens to what is said around. But that did not happen.
    “Hitler is inexhaustible in his speeches. Speaking is the element of his existence ”(Otto Dietrich. 12 Jahre mit Hitler. Munchen, 1955. S. 159-160).
  47. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 20: 19 New
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    Minister of Armaments and Ammunition A. Speer adds: “He spoke incessantly, like a criminal who wants to speak out and ready, without fear of dangerous consequences for himself, even to give the prosecutor his most secret secrets” (Memoirs. Smolensk: Rusich, 1997. P. 418 )
    Colonel General Kurt Zeitzler: “As soon as I arrived at the headquarters, Hitler, as usual, turned to me with a many-hour monologue. It was impossible to interrupt his speech ”(Fatal Decisions. M.: Voeniz-dat, 1958. P. 155).
    “In the winter of 1943, Rundstedt tried to report to Hitler about the real situation prevailing then in the West, but only lost time. The conversation in Obersalzbergs, which lasted 3 hours, two-thirds consisted of a speech by Hitler, expressing his views on the situation on the Eastern Front, and one-third of tea drinking, when official conversations were forbidden. It is easy to imagine that Rundstedt barely sat in his chair from the rage that rose in him ”(Ibid., P. 220).
    A few months later, field marshals Rommel and Rundstedt insisted on meeting with Hitler. “The field marshals were treated with a noticeable“ chill, and kept them waiting for several hours. Finally, having accepted them, Hitler read them the longest monologue regarding the results expected from the new “miraculous weapon” (Ibid., P. 236).
  48. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 20: 19 New
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    Hitler's talkativeness knew no bounds and limits. Every night he gathered around: stenographers, ministers, typists, generals, secretaries, Gauleiters, drivers and adjutants, planted them around the table supposedly for dinner and started talking. He spoke and spoke. Until three in the morning, until four. He talked about everything: about history and economics, about climate and religion, about how to make your blondie shepherd dog a vegetarian, that the ancestors of the Germans were Greeks (another time - Vikings), about what a woman thinks, what she she wants and what she lacks, about the production of steel and paper, about the qualities of cologne, and also about myself, about myself, about myself. “Hitler often made the impression of an extremely unbalanced person. Guests in the morning almost fell asleep, and only a sense of courtesy and duty forced them to come to these tea parties. After long, tiring meetings, Hitler's monotonous voice acted on us in a soporific manner. Our eyelids literally stuck together ”(Speer, p. 408).
    These violent sermons were a heavy meal for Hitler's entourage. Typists, secretaries and stenographers set up a queue among themselves who should go to listen to Hitler’s speeches what night. Serving this conscription was considered a bit of a heavy night watch. Among these women, sometimes, directly in the presence of Hitler, there were altercations of the type: "I’ve been sitting here for the third night, and someone out there spills out of turn."
  49. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 20: 20 New
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    An attack of anger is the best moment to study the personality. In anger, the character is fully revealed. Rage is an explosion. The explosion is accompanied by a flame that illuminates the darkest nooks of the soul. The main thing in the study of personality is to establish the frequency, depth and duration of attacks of anger.
    Hitler was not in vain called demoniac. And it was not for nothing that experts considered him a pronounced psychopath - all too often he fell into a rage. His fits of anger grew into hysterical seizures.
    A word to Speer: “From everything he heard, Hitler became nervous, his mood clearly deteriorated. And although he had not said a word, it was noticeable by the way his expression changed, how he frantically clenches and unclenches his fists, bites his nails. It was felt that internal tension was growing in him ... Hitler no longer controlled himself. His face was covered with red spots, he stared with unseeing eyes somewhere into the void and yelled in all his throat: “Carrying out any operational activities is exclusively my prerogative! It doesn’t concern you at all! Your business is the production of weapons, so do it! ”... The Führer completely lost his temper, his speech was confused, he literally choked in the flood of words” (Speer, p. 543).
  50. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 6 May 2013 20: 21 New
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    “I suddenly heard an inarticulate, almost bestial cry” (Ibid., P. 250).
    “Even for a completely ignorant person in military affairs, it was clear that our offensive was exhausted. And then suddenly a message came to the headquarters that a unit of German mountain shooters climbed the highest mountain of the Caucasus, Elbrus, surrounded by glaciers - its height is 5600 meters - and hoisted an imperial military flag on it. In fact, it was a pure adventure, which could not affect the course of hostilities. We all thought that you should not betray the crazy trick of mountaineer-fanatics of great importance. Hitler's reaction was completely different. I often had to see how Hitler was angry, but I never thought that he was able to lose his temper so much. For several hours he screamed and fought hysterically, as if this episode had jeopardized the entire strategic plan of the Eastern campaign. Even after a week, he could not calm down and cursed "these crazy climbers who should be brought to the tribunal." He said that these idiots were surrounded by ambition and they climbed to this stupid summit, although he unequivocally ordered that all forces be thrown to Sukhumi ”(Ibid., P. 331).
    “Fury fell in the form of a hurricane of words. At such moments, he dismissed any objections with a simple amplification of his voice. Such scenes could be caused by both large and completely insignificant events. Once in Obersalzberg, I watched his dog Blondie refuse to obey orders. Blood rushed into Hitler's face, and, despite the huge crowd of those present, he began furiously yelling at one of his assistants, who appeared next to him. Without any explanation, not paying attention to the surprise of the crowd, he brought down a stream of angry words on him ”(O. Dietrich. P. 213).