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Anatoly Wasserman: Russia's policy towards Ukraine should be much tougher

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Anatoly Wasserman commented on political events in Ukraine and Russia, as well as relations between the two countries.


Yanukovych does not want the reputation of a tyrant

At one time, you supported the Party of Regions and Viktor Yanukovych. Has your attitude to the regionals and the president (and in what direction) changed over the past three years?

Over the past three years, my opinion about the Party of Regions in general and the president in particular has deteriorated sharply. I was convinced that a significant part of the members of this party - including almost all of its leadership - thinks not about the development of Ukraine (most likely - just because its development is impossible without reunification with the rest of Russia), but rather about the beneficial resale of Ukraine to those will be able to promise (although not necessarily pay) more.

The current government promised Ukrainians to improve the standard of living. Why, despite the reforms, it did not happen?

In the midst of a global economic crisis — especially one as powerful as the current Second Great Depression — it is quite difficult to improve the situation in one republic. Even the USSR, during the First Great Depression, was forced to sharply limit its consumption for several years in order to buy equipment abroad cheaply and create a new industry. True, it paid off. But the international community forbids the present authorities of the fragments of the former Union to even think about the development of their own production. Those who do not obey this ban - Alexander Lukashenko, Nursultan Nazarbayev, Vladimir Putin - have been proclaimed tyrants. Viktor Yanukovych does not want the reputation of a tyrant. Therefore, tolerates the natural course of events. And during a crisis, the natural course of events is from bad to worse.

What should Viktor Yanukovych do before 2015 to stay for a second term, and how big are his chances today?

The easiest and most reliable would be to include Ukraine in the Customs Union. Then the increase in production will be so great that there is a way to silence politicians and anthropologists who want to sell Ukraine to the European Union. But the oligarchs who support Viktor Yanukovych fear that the Russian Federation will buy their possessions for cheap. And while they do not believe that without the Russian Federation, their ownership will soon lose in value. Therefore, Viktor Yanukovych will not be allowed to make the only saving move. And in the current course of events, he may become as hated by 2015 as Viktor Yushchenko.

Ukraine needs the EU only as a regular feeder

What do you think, how far will Ukraine’s integration into the EU go? Will Ukrainians cancel Schengen visas, for example? And in general, is it possible to talk about real accession to the EU?

The leaders of the EU and key EU countries have warned more than once: under no circumstances will Ukraine be made a member of the EU at least in the next half century. Obviously, the visa-free regime of the citizens of Ukraine will not give: why do this, if EU citizens already go to Ukraine without a visa! Ukrainian migrant workers will have to continue to correct their own visas in order to return the EU a little more money earned there. So integration will be reduced to a free trade zone, that is, Ukraine’s obligations to buy EU products and for this purpose close its production of similar products, and to fit all of Ukraine’s standards (including even railway gauge) under the EU. Ukraine needs the European Union only as a regular feeder.

Today, Ukraine continues to bargain hard with the IMF about the next loan. Without him we can not live?

With the current structure of the economy - do not live. Ukraine is tightly tied to foreign markets, depends on the import of many critical goods. Once upon a time, the entire Soviet Union fell into such a trap. In 1970-ies, the total volume of imports was a small and seemingly safe share of its own production. But they imported key elements of many production chains. When oil prices dropped sharply at the beginning of 1980's, imports had to be reduced - and these chains broke one after another, gradually stopping the entire economy.

Now in Ukraine things are even worse. Many process chains are completely destroyed in the 1990s. Many - since the Soviet times, pass through Belarus and the Russian Federation, and until Ukraine enters the Customs Union, the closure of these chains requires the use of international currencies - the dollar and the euro. And the demand for Ukrainian products fell sharply due to the global crisis, so now Ukraine earns far less international currencies than in the first half of 2000, when the world market was on the rise.

If this loss is not reimbursed by loans, a significant part of the production may be paralyzed, and many products, whose domestic producers are ruined by outside pressure, will completely disappear from the shelves. True, in the present conditions these loans cannot be repaid: a significant part of the new IMF loans is spent just on repaying old ones. But for now there is still hope for an increase in earning opportunities at the end of the crisis. And for this it is necessary to maintain its own production, not allowing it to close and collapse due to the crisis. And for support, again, money is needed - that is, additional loans.

How harshly does the Kremlin see Ukraine’s desire to move closer to the EU?

In 2008, the famous Gallup company found out that, according to the native language of 5 / 6, the citizens of Ukraine are Russians. Any rapprochement between Ukraine and the rest of Russia will end in a complete merger. And the power of Ukraine will lose its sovereignty, become only the power of one of the regions of Russia. It is useful to the people, but diminishes power. So she pulls Ukraine anywhere, just to get away from Russia. In the Kremlin, it seems, they know (at least from my publications on this topic: I know for sure that several people in the presidential administration at various times read these publications). Therefore, they look at Ukraine as a cut off piece: if they want, they will return, if they don’t, they’re worse.

One gets the impression that Moscow today is not pursuing an aggressive enough policy towards Kiev ...
Yes, Moscow’s policy could become infinitely tougher. But Moscow understands that ordinary citizens of Ukraine will suffer from this, and it will be easier for the rulers of Ukraine to convince them of the substantial differences between Ukrainians and the rest of the Russians.

In Russia, they do not like galitsayev

You live both in Ukraine and in Russia. If we talk about people, how strong is Russophobia in Ukraine today, and how much is Ukrainophobia in Russia? Is there mutual hatred between nations?

I have a rather specific social circle: most of them are participants in intellectual games and a few politicians. Perhaps this is why I come across Russophobia in Ukraine only in SMRAD (this abbreviation - Mass Advertising, Agitation, Disinformation - was introduced by the Russian philosopher and political researcher Andrei Ilyich Fursov). And Ukrainophobia even did not come to me in SMRAD. In Russia, they do not like Galitsai, the bearers of the ideology formed in Galicia by the almost centuries-old efforts of the Austrians and Poles, which boils down to the fact that a Ukrainian should hate everything Russian (including in himself). But Ukrainians who are not infected with Galicianism are considered native in Russia (or, in the worst case, like the British of the Americans, cousins).

How, in your opinion, will relations between Ukraine and Russia develop in the near future?

The Russian Federation seems to have decided to leave Ukraine to its own destiny in the hope that the Ukrainian authorities will sooner or later bring it to such a devastation that only the Russian Federation can restore. Ukraine, of course, will demand gifts and concessions from it, then referring to historical kinship, then blackmailing rapprochement with the EU. But Russia, most likely, will not pay attention to these requirements.

How scary is the Kremlin’s gas baton for Ukraine today, or is it just a myth?

Key export sectors of Ukraine consume so much gas that at its current price it is simply unprofitable. The Russian Federation understands this and provides Ukraine with some concessions, but in return requires retaliatory steps. For example, the Kharkov agreement of 2010 stipulated a discount on the price ($ 100 per thousand cubic meters) by extension until the year 2042 of the Black Sea fleet Russian Federation in Sevastopol. This is beneficial for Ukraine itself, since it excludes the entry into force of that clause of the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi agreement, according to which, in the event of Russia's refusal from the Crimea, it automatically passes to Turkey. Mutual concessions can hardly be considered someone’s club.
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  1. povkonavt
    povkonavt 3 May 2013 10: 21 New
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    A competent man. painted everything correctly.
    1. honest jew
      honest jew 3 May 2013 15: 17 New
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      After all, a clever Jew!
      1. zennon
        zennon 3 May 2013 15: 47 New
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        You don’t have to be a Jew to be smart and vice versa. How tired of your narcissism! And then you are surprised that you are not loved. So yes?
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 3 May 2013 15: 51 New
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          I would not want to believe, but Yanukovych is deceiving not only the people, but, first of all, himself. Because the number of Galitsa under him as president in the Ukrainian government and the central organs of "science", "culture", etc., it seems, only increased.
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 3 May 2013 17: 21 New
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            Quote: Nikolay S.
            I would not want to believe, but Yanukovych is deceiving not only the people, but, first of all, himself.


            But this is unlikely. The man understands everything very clearly. Moreover - it does not deceive anyone, it is simply silent on the necessary issues. Again, he is building up his business, if he manages to take control of his big part, then he doesn’t care about the elections, he’s not Julia to live on the rollbacks.
            1. nickname 1 and 2
              nickname 1 and 2 3 May 2013 20: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: Geisenberg
              if he manages to take control of his greater part, then do not care


              IS THERE ANY BUSINESS IN UKRAINE that is always profitable, self-paid and unsinkable? At a time when poverty is in the country?
              Is there such a thing?
              1. domokl
                domokl 4 May 2013 04: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: nick 1 and 2
                IS THERE ANY BUSINESS IN UKRAINE,
                There are also Ukrainian businessmen who are quite active in our work in Russia, as well as Russian ones in Ukraine.
                1. nickname 1 and 2
                  nickname 1 and 2 4 May 2013 10: 16 New
                  +1
                  Quote: domokl
                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  IS THERE ANY BUSINESS IN UKRAINE,
                  There are also Ukrainian businessmen who are quite active in our work in Russia, as well as Russian ones in Ukraine.


                  I mean that "Yanek will take over the whole business and then he doesn’t care about those elections"
                  Doing business in the ruins of the country?
          2. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 3 May 2013 17: 27 New
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            Do you really think that Yanukovych will calculate his own pocket.
          3. Atlon
            Atlon 3 May 2013 19: 10 New
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            Quote: Nikolay S.
            I would not want to believe, but Yanukovych is deceiving not only the people, but, first of all, himself.

            Yes to him what? The term "will serve" let down! And to disentangle the people ... In general, it seems that Ukraine was stuck in the 90s. A sort of "Groundhog Day" in the Independent. Passions in all the Union republics were already raging, the counter-revolution, anti-Soviet, smelling of mothballs, crawled out of the dark corners of history, and crawled back. Brothers walked away, and were reforged to "businessmen". Noisy fights in the parliaments. The miners knocked on their helmets. Everyone had been ill with childhood diseases for a long time ... And only Ukraine alone can still not take the next step!
            Aw, brothers hohl! Come back home to your family! Good kolobrodat!
            1. FC SKIF
              FC SKIF 3 May 2013 20: 34 New
              +4
              All of us, to one degree or another, are bred in different angles, and then we are pitted by external forces. As soon as they are weakened for objective reasons, we will again become the USSR or the Russian Empire or some other country-wrecked bunch of letters incomprehensible to the Saxophone.
              1. Technocrat
                Technocrat 3 May 2013 21: 50 New
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                I agree, especially some "writers" who only do what they breed ... the rach here is his nonsense.
              2. yak69
                yak69 3 May 2013 22: 30 New
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                Quote: FC Skiff
                As soon as for objective reasons they weaken, we will again become the USSR

                The objective reason for their (west) weakening can only be our military power, combined with the real leader of the country (which we don’t have now!) And tough foreign and domestic policies. This is the main objective reason for the weakening of the West.
                1. Aljavad
                  Aljavad 4 May 2013 03: 26 New
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                  THE POWER TO FASTEN IS NECESSARILY NECESSARY, BUT SHOULD NOT BE SIMPLIFIED - EVERYTHING IS COMPLEX.
              3. Aljavad
                Aljavad 4 May 2013 03: 25 New
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                AND, INTERESTING, AT THE TIME WHEN CENTRIFUGAL TRENDS WILL TAKE CARE AND IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE EU There is a suspicion that we got into a certain “antiphase” with them.
              4. domokl
                domokl 4 May 2013 04: 55 New
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                Quote: FC Skiff
                we will again become the USSR or the Russian Empire
                Tell me, do you personally want to join the Russian Federation? Or Ukrainians? Without any reservations and conditions?
                So why do you think your children will want it? We still remember the USSR, and therefore we are trying to enter the same river a second time, and they? Alas, they have already grown up in independent, albeit problematic, but their countries ...
            2. nickname 1 and 2
              nickname 1 and 2 3 May 2013 20: 47 New
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              Quote: Atlon
              Come back home to your family! Good kolobrodat!

              Alas! This is impossible! No wonder when it was born - hoh-hol and not a piece! It can not be so!

              They will fight, fight for every little thing, for every word and hint.
              Only in this way everything should be like him (each of them) = of course!

              And these things, you know, ....
              1. yak69
                yak69 3 May 2013 22: 41 New
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                Quote: nick 1 and 2
                hoh-hol and not a piece!

                Quote: nick 1 and 2
                nor will they fight, fight for every little thing, for every word and hint.
                Only in this way everything should be like him (each of them) = of course!

                Chauvinism suffered! As from a garbage can with rotten waste!
                1. nickname 1 and 2
                  nickname 1 and 2 3 May 2013 23: 06 New
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                  Quote: yak69
                  Chauvinism suffered!


                  When it seems cross yourself! they say - it helps

                  Looking at this Rada, what conclusions can be drawn?
                  These "naked boobs" is that not a desperate cry of the people?
                  1. yak69
                    yak69 3 May 2013 23: 34 New
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                    Quote: nick 1 and 2
                    When it seems cross yourself! they say - it helps

                    Dear, for a long time nothing seems to me. The harsh reality relieved of illusions in his young years.
                    I am baptized, as a rule, when visiting the Temple.
                    To believe that they are saying something somewhere is completely empty.
                    But derogatory to call people of different nationalities I consider not just not acceptable, but also extremely dangerous. Such verbal water is ALWAYS at the mill of our enemies. Remember this!
                  2. Egoza
                    4 May 2013 06: 59 New
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                    Quote: nick 1 and 2
                    These "naked boobs" is that not a desperate cry of the people?

                    Are they the people? These are well-paid Germans pr-ki. The people spit on them and resent the fact that they dishonor their country!
              2. Atlon
                Atlon 3 May 2013 23: 08 New
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                Quote: nick 1 and 2
                Alas! This is impossible! No wonder when it was born - hoh-hol and not a piece! It can not be so!

                oh come on!
            3. Restor
              Restor 4 May 2013 01: 38 New
              +1
              Everything seems to start in a new way - only in the reverse order ...
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 3 May 2013 16: 07 New
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          Quote: zennon
          You don’t have to be a Jew to be smart and vice versa. How tired of your narcissism! And then you are surprised that you are not loved. So yes?
          -, oh, yes, yes, prohindei-Wassermans, alas, also come across in the Jewish family. They say, yes, bad and completely pro-Russian things. Every family has its black sheep -)))
          1. zennon
            zennon 3 May 2013 16: 33 New
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            aksakal
            Yes, it’s not about water talk! He’s just a sane man. He just gets out that Fields’s medal is just talk, that Perelman. And that in the same year it was received by Andrei Yurievich Okunkov, and 4 years before that Vladimir Alexandrovich Voevodsky, and after 4 years Stanislav Konstantinovich Smirnov no-no!
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 3 May 2013 16: 42 New
              +2
              Quote: zennon
              Yes, not about water speech!

              - I understood. So, I'm a little jittery. Just a little tired of writing serious boring posts, excuse me -))))
          2. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 3 May 2013 17: 31 New
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            Not all Jews accepted the idea of ​​Jewish statehood; from a religious point of view, the state of Israel has the right to recreate only the Messiah. Therefore, some Jews associate their prosperous future with the imperial United States, while others are not averse to re-creating imperial Russia.
            1. Pushkar
              Pushkar 3 May 2013 21: 39 New
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              Quote: Jurkovs
              Not all Jews accepted the idea of ​​Jewish statehood; from a religious point of view, the state of Israel has the right to recreate only the Messiah. Therefore, some Jews associate their prosperous future with the imperial United States, while others are not averse to re-creating imperial Russia.

              People, do not get fooled by the provocation of the troll from France. An article about Ukraine. The author is not a stupid, original-minded politician, and who dad was mom is not our business.
              1. Jurkovs
                Jurkovs 4 May 2013 06: 28 New
                0
                You yourself are a troll. And I live in Siberia.
            2. Aljavad
              Aljavad 4 May 2013 03: 31 New
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              AND GOD HELP THEM (THE LAST MENTIONED)
          3. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 3 May 2013 20: 56 New
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            Quote: honest Jew
            After all, a clever Jew!


            Have you stopped being a good Ukrainian lad long ago?
            Do not pidgorta to yourself!
            Anatole is our boyfriend, trohi hoh-hol, a little bit a little Russian, well, a little man Jew!
            But in general RUSSIAN! Clear to you!

            Do not spud!
            1. Aljavad
              Aljavad 4 May 2013 03: 33 New
              +2
              RIGHT! SOURCE - RUSSIAN THOSE WHO FOR GREAT RUSSIA!
        3. Gari
          Gari 3 May 2013 17: 12 New
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          Vinnikov Boris Lvovich - Three times Hero of Socialist Labor,
          Colonel General of the Engineering and Artillery Service. Since 1933 - in the defense industry: from the director of the Tula and Perm arms factories, the People's Commissar of Arms of the USSR to the First Deputy Minister of Medium Engineering of the USSR. Under his leadership, the construction of the country's nuclear scientific and industrial centers, the development and successful testing of nuclear weapons were carried out, the foundations for the use of nuclear technologies for generating electricity, for medical and other economic purposes were laid.
          The creation in the east of the country as soon as possible in 1941-1942, the renewed military industry, Stalin entrusted to Boris Lvovich Vannikov.
          The deputy commissar of the tank industry Isaak Moiseevich Zaltsman in the Chelyabinsk "tank city", and then at the plants of Nizhny Tagil and "Uralmash" organized the production of heavy and medium tanks, the best then in the world, and by the end of 1942 brought their production to 100 vehicles per day.
          During the war, his factories built more tanks than all of Germany together with its allies. Zaltsman once told Molotov: "We will give tanks, but you do not interfere! .."
          For the organization of mass production of aircraft did a lot of deputy. People's Commissar of the Aviation Industry Solomon Sandler and plant directors Alexander Belyansky (plant 19, which manufactured the IL-2 attack aircraft), Matvey Shenkman (plant 16, who made the La-5 and La-7 fighters), Israel Levin (aircraft plant in Saratov), ​​etc.
          The artillery factories were led by: Lev Honor, Boris Fratkin, Yakov Shifrin, Abram Bykhovsky.
          The ideas of the repressed Langemak group were developed and translated into real Katyusha by TsAGI employees: Schwartz, Gwai, Gantmakher, Levin and Shor.
          Twice Hero of Socialist Labor, five-time Stalin Prize laureate designer Nudelman - creator of the famous N-37 aircraft gun. She armed the aircraft Lavochkin and Yakovlev, two N-37s were installed on the attack aircraft IL-2. The famous Victory weapon that determined the outcome of many battles, the self-propelled artillery SU-122 was designed under the leadership of Lev Izrailevich Gorlitsky.
          The infantry was also greatly assisted by the 160 mm mortar designed by Isaac Teverovsky. Among the creators of the best tanks of World War II, the name of the chief designer of the Chelyabinsk "tank city" Joseph Yakovlevich Kotin, deputy. Commissar of Defense, Colonel General. During the war, under his leadership, all modifications of heavy IS and KV heavy tanks were developed.
          Nine thousand high-altitude MiG fighters destroyed the enemy during the war, including the first Soviet jet aircraft. One of the founders of the MiGs Mikhail Iosifovich Gurevich, an outstanding aircraft designer. Constructor of the fastest fighters of World War II La-5, La-7 and La-9 Semen Moiseevich Lavochkin.
          Lavochkin’s first deputy was Mikhail Leontyevich Mil, who later became the general designer of many Soviet helicopters.
          All of them were Jews and citizens of that Great country, which they faithfully served, worked and built. Together with all the nations of the USSR, the weapons of victory were forged!

          Best regards
          1. Gari
            Gari 3 May 2013 17: 18 New
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            I carefully monitor the activities of Wasserman cannot but arouse respect for his position - as I can judge, a supporter of the revival of the Union, and you can even say Stalinist
          2. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 3 May 2013 21: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: Gari
            They were all Jews


            The word was not completely uttered. Having said shi A ...

            Continue: ..... Of the thousands of scientists, inventors, designers, other nationalities that OUR COUNTRY IS GLORIOUS!

            And it turns out some Jews .....?
            And then we look for the roots of where the exclusivity of the nation? How could this be? Why to such consequences?

            Why not calculate that the directness of the Russian did not allow him to go into the "bread" profession and did not allow him to keep his children studying at the university.
            If you look at the parents, what did they earn?
            What shi-shi were taught?

            This is bad! Counters ....
            Each made his own contribution! I know how many examples when there wasn’t a Russian peasant = a unique turner, there would be no one or another invention. But glory to the Jewish "dohlik" designer! And this designer at the machine and will not stand idle for an hour ....
            Or according to SKB I can say = invented by Vanya, Jura, Petya and written in the documents - Abram Moeseyevich, Mark Ferdinandovich, etc. And they, were in laureates, etc.

            And that’s all over!

            So your koment is very off topic and not successful
            1. Gari
              Gari 3 May 2013 22: 45 New
              +3
              [quote = nickname 1 and 2] [quote = Gari] They were all Jews [/ quote]

              The word was not completely uttered. Having said shi A ...

              Continue: ..... Of the thousands of scientists, inventors, designers, other nationalities that OUR COUNTRY IS GLORIOUS!

              And it turns out some Jews .....?

              No, of course not only were Jews
              With Gurevich, the glorious MiGs seem to have been created by Mikoyan, my compatriot, just like

              Academician Victor Hambardzumyan. One of the founders of theoretical astrophysics. He discovered (1947) and studied the new type of star systems (stellar associations). Founder and director of the Byurakan Astrophysical Observatory. Twice Hero of Social Labor, Two Gos. Prizes of the USSR, State. Prize of the Russian Federation (1995). He was twice elected president of the International Council of Scientific Unions (1966-1972). In 1934, he founded the first department of astrophysics in the USSR at LenGosUniversity, which he headed until 1947. As a member of 28 foreign academies.
              Shchelkin Kirill Ivanovich - METAKSYAN Kirakos Ovanesovich (1911 Tiflis –1968 Moscow). First Scientific Director and Chief Designer of the Chelyabinsk-70 Nuclear Center (Snezhinsk, since 1992 RFNC / VNIITF - RF Nuclear Center /. Corresponding Member of the USSR Academy of Sciences, Three times Hero of Social Labor,
              Alikhanov Abram Isaakovich (1904 Armenia - 1970 Moscow) - one of the founders of nuclear physics in the USSR and the creators of the first Soviet atomic bomb. Founder and director of the Institute of Theoretical and Experimental Physics, academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences. Hero of Social Labor, and many others
              As well as all the nationalities of the Great Country, they created and worked
              And there were turners, dear not only Russians.
              I just thought that it was necessary for the Jews to be given their due, as well as to all the nationalities of the pits. The Union was not divided according to nationality
              .
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 3 May 2013 23: 37 New
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                Quote: Gari
                Union not divided by ethnicity


                I hate talking about it.
                never when thought of what nationality.
                If someone came up with a sarcastic question on the topic of what does this Jew want from thee? The answer was on my face, as I did not try.
                We lived in a friendly family! We worked and relaxed in a friendly way!
                They made fun of each other! There were jokes and type of "ho-hol." I think that these jokes from those years broke our relationship nowadays.
                Those Ukrainian lads turned out to be touchy!

                There are all kinds of people in all nationalities.
                I think that the Jews are not all on one face. In any case, I have seen different!
                And the Armenians are also different. If you are about them.

                Quote: Gari
                And there were turners, dear not only Russians.

                But the Russians in all the "holes" were.
                And if these holes were not plugged RUSSIAN then there would have been nothing else, nor anyone!
                1. Aljavad
                  Aljavad 4 May 2013 03: 45 New
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                  Your anger is VERY noble, but not completely fair. WHAT'S MORE IN US OF DIFFERENT NATIONS - WE ARE RICHER THAN. CULTURAL. THERE IS NOT WORSE THAN DIVERSITY.
              2. Aljavad
                Aljavad 4 May 2013 03: 39 New
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                And how many heroes of the USSR? NOT RUSSIAN? ALL FOR THE COMMON COUNTRY STAND.
            2. Aljavad
              Aljavad 4 May 2013 03: 36 New
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              SOURCE - RUSSIAN THOSE WHO FOR GREAT RUSSIA!
          3. yak69
            yak69 3 May 2013 22: 38 New
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            Quote: Gari
            All of them were Jews and citizens of that Great country, which they faithfully served, worked and built. Together with all the nations of the USSR, the weapons of victory were forged!

            Bravo! Gold words. I join completely.
        4. smile
          smile 3 May 2013 17: 29 New
          +2
          zennon
          Come on ... he jokes ...
        5. taseka
          taseka 4 May 2013 03: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: zennon
          So yes?

          But what difference does it make, whoever drags you in a war with broken legs, through a swamp - a Jew, a Chechen or an American - would drag and not leave!
        6. tungus-meteorit
          tungus-meteorit 4 May 2013 13: 01 New
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          So smart Jews - for Russia, but not smart - against it
      2. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 3 May 2013 16: 07 New
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        Quote: honest Jew
        After all, a clever Jew!

        Who is arguing? Even the Jews boast that they did the butch of 2017, they credit it to themselves. Wow, what are we smart, conducted an experiment on the Russian Empire.
        Russia is crushing Ukraine in every possible way, and then they are surprised that something wrong is happening in Ukraine. And the reverse reaction occurs, all according to Newton’s third law.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 16: 26 New
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          Quote: Vovka Levka
          Russia is crushing Ukraine in every possible way,

          This is who is pushing someone there .. From Russia Ukraine receives only offers, but from the EU side there are some demands and spitting towards Ukraine. Although, again, how is this all to present on TV wink Tired of Russia already having fun with you, make your own choices. Do not want to in the vehicle, and go to the EU, no one is holding.
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 3 May 2013 16: 46 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            This is who is pushing someone there .. From Russia Ukraine receives only offers, but from the EU side there are some demands and spitting towards Ukraine. Although, again, how is this all to present on TV wink Tired of Russia already having fun with you, make your own choices. Do not want to in the vehicle, and go to the EU, no one is holding.

            The problem of the modern world lies in the field of all kinds of blocs, alliances, and all sorts of other nonsense. Until there are uniform rules for everyone, there will be no peace and tranquility on Earth.
            And the main problem of the TS is that there can be many members, but one solves it. And whether you want it or not, no one will ask you. Now the world is such that it is necessary to make decisions by consensus, otherwise nothing will happen.
            1. ramzes1776
              ramzes1776 3 May 2013 16: 51 New
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              Quote: Vovka Levka
              And the main problem of the TS is that there can be many members, but one solves it. And whether you want it or not, no one will ask you. Now the world is such that it is necessary to make decisions by consensus, otherwise nothing will happen.

              You might think that someone in the EU will listen to Ukraine and do what it needs. There, too, it seems like a consensus on paper, but Germany and France really decide everything.
              1. Vovka levka
                Vovka levka 3 May 2013 18: 20 New
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                Quote: ramzes1776

                You might think that someone in the EU will listen to Ukraine and do what it needs. There, too, it seems like a consensus on paper, but Germany and France really decide everything.

                For the EU, I think I did not say a single word that it is good and excellent.
                1. ramzes1776
                  ramzes1776 3 May 2013 18: 34 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  For the EU, I think I did not say a single word that it is good and excellent.

                  As I understand it, you want to be independent of everyone. With an economy like yours, do not stretch yourself for a long time. Fact !!! You will turn into more than one banana republic!
                  1. Mhpv
                    Mhpv 3 May 2013 19: 57 New
                    +2
                    Well, in a banana is unlikely, as in a joke:
                    "Don’t grow bananas for our son"
                    But in the steppe and the steppe - rather!
                  2. Vovka levka
                    Vovka levka 3 May 2013 21: 18 New
                    -2
                    Quote: ramzes1776

                    As I understand it, you want to be independent of everyone. With an economy like yours, do not stretch yourself for a long time. Fact !!! You will turn into more than one banana republic!

                    I’m used to making decisions myself, that’s all moral.
                    1. ramzes1776
                      ramzes1776 3 May 2013 23: 04 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Vovka Levka
                      I’m used to making decisions myself, that’s all moral.

                      Me too. The conversation is generally for the country and for the nation as a whole.
                      1. Vovka levka
                        Vovka levka 3 May 2013 23: 22 New
                        -2
                        Quote: ramzes1776

                        Me too. The conversation is generally for the country and for the nation as a whole.

                        The nation has chosen power, and now let it live with it, if it can.
                      2. ramzes1776
                        ramzes1776 4 May 2013 00: 11 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Vovka Levka
                        The nation has chosen power, and now let it live with it, if it can.

                        Do you happen to live on a farm? By the principle, my hut is on the edge, and everything that is going on around you is deep sideways. Is it not offensive for the country?
              2. domokl
                domokl 4 May 2013 05: 07 New
                +2
                There is a leader in every pack. Those who are stronger, richer, smarter if you like. Do you really think that the USA, China or Russia will really listen to the opinion of countries like Romania or present-day Ukraine? Whoever has dinner is dancing, she is dancing ...
                Equality is possible only among equals ...
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 17: 01 New
            12
            Quote: Vovka Levka

            The problem of the modern world lies in the field of all kinds of blocs, alliances, and all sorts of other nonsense.

            These blocs and alliances have always existed and not only in the modern world.
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            Until there are uniform rules for everyone, there will be no peace and tranquility on Earth.

            From was not and never will be, the right of the strong will always be. Paradise on earth in the near future is not promised
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            And the main problem of the TS is that there can be many members, but one solves

            This is the issue of propaganda of the TS on TV in Ukraine. Hang noodles on your ears well.
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            And do you want this, or do not want, no one will ask you

            That's exactly what they are doing today in the EU!
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 3 May 2013 17: 23 New
              26
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              That's exactly what the EU is doing today.
              Bulgaria and Romania, which became EU members 5 years ago (and not just “neighbors”, which we are claiming), are still not accepted into the “Schengen zone” because of the fears of more prosperous and “respected” EU countries, the massive influx of Romanian and Bulgarian “zarobitchans”.An example of this is the Baltic countries.who at first massively left the specialists necessary for production and the economy, then industry virtually disappeared, which, in turn, led to high general unemployment, especially among young people (27-30%). The second "imaginary" plus - This is the inflow of investment. But then again, political instability and internal conflicts like the recent blocking of parliament or the restless FEMEN only scare investors. All this is actively discussed in the media, goes internationally and makes a mockery of our country, and not every businessman decides to invest in a circus.Third - European Standards. Do not forget that, according to the "Association Agreement", within 4-5 years, Ukraine must implement the entire body of European standards as national. And them, for a minute, more than 20 thousand - from the location of bulbs, outlets, the type of road signs and “zebras” at the transition to the thread pitch of nuts and bolts. In this case, Ukraine should abandon not only national standards, but also recall, as inappropriate European standards, interstate standards operating within the CIS. Another rigorous requirement for Ukraine is the “Railway Development Directive”. In particular, it provides for the liquidation of the state status of Ukrzaliznytsia and, thus, an increase in tariffs for transportation due to the termination of subsidies from the state budget. “Development of Railways” also provides for the implementation of the Directive "On the compatibility of railway systems within the Community." I would like to remind you that the width of our railway track is 1520 mm. In Europe - 1435 mm. The total length of Ukrainian railways is more than 30 thousand. 139,5 thousand wagons and 6,1 thousand diesel locomotives, electric locomotives and diesel trains travel along them. Where to get money to replace all this? Supporters of European integration are also silent about the fact that the association agreement with the EU is, above all, a large-scale trade agreement. This agreement establishes the free access of European goods and services to the Ukrainian market, and Ukrainian - to the European. But the problem is that in reality, Ukrainian manufacturers will not be able to supply their goods to the European market due to technical backwardness and non-compliance with EU standards. And if in recent years Ukraine exported 3 million tons of wheat grain to Europe, now wheat supplies to the EU will be limited to one million. Of the 300 thousand tons of sugar that Ukraine is able to sell to the European Union, it will be allowed to supply 10 times less! Similar restrictions are provided for all types of agricultural products. By the way, for other types of raw materials, including products of primary metal processing, Ukraine is obliged immediately after the entry into force of the Agreement to establish export duties half as much as those that it managed to defend in the negotiations on accession to the WTO. And within 7-10 years and completely bring to zero. And the most offensive is that if future EU members from Eastern Europe did the same, having guarantees of admission to the European Union, then Ukraine’s admission isn’t even talking... http://www.from-ua.com/politics/21f90df6fcfaa.html
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 17: 42 New
                10
                Quote: Kaa
                Where to get money to replace all this?

                Borrow, although such money will not be borrowed. It’s easier to break it all down, and to hand over the rails to metal.
                Quote: Kaa
                And if in recent years Ukraine exported 3 million tons of wheat grain to Europe, now wheat supplies to the EU will be limited to one million. Of the 300 thousand tons of sugar that Ukraine is able to sell to the European Union, it will be allowed to supply 10 times less!

                This is called equal partnership for European searches.
                Quote: Kaa
                , then on the reception of Ukraine we are not even talking

                The main thing is that politicians in Ukraine believe in this and are trying to convince people of this nonsense. Hi Kaa hi
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa 3 May 2013 17: 52 New
                  10
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  politicians in Ukraine believe in this and try to convince people in this nonsense
                  Great, Alexander! The most stupid thing is that politicians know all this, and they’re composting people through the media. For politicians, maneuver between the CU and the EU - don’t feed bread, just in this situation they’re “catching fish in troubled waters.” And as for the “composted brains” - well, I don’t understand how more than half of the population of Ukraine believes in "shchaschaslyve euroopeisk maybutne" - well, they’re zombie on TV, but read the Internet, ask those who really go abroad! Live one day - from salary to salary, yes and then, if they are unfastened on time. LIKES THE LORD TO PUNISH - FIRST AND FIRST TIME DEPRIVES THE MIND, what else can I say ... request fool
            2. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 3 May 2013 18: 23 New
              -5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov

              These blocs and alliances have always existed and not only in the modern world.
              From was not and never will be, the right of the strong will always be. Paradise on earth in the near future is not promised

              Therefore, there is always war. But in the end, everyone loses.
          3. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 3 May 2013 17: 36 New
            +6
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            Now the world is such that it is necessary to make decisions by consensus, otherwise nothing will happen.

            Under Gorbachev, we have already made one decision by "consensus." Ever since Napoleon’s time, it’s known that only “large battalions” can feel comfortable, Ukraine does not want to, and therefore, in the geopolitical perspective, it will certainly lose, it will become the backyards of a foreign empire.
            1. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 3 May 2013 18: 26 New
              -8
              Quote: Jurkovs

              Under Gorbachev, we have already made one decision by "consensus." Ever since Napoleon’s time, it’s known that only “large battalions” can feel comfortable, Ukraine does not want to, and therefore, in the geopolitical perspective, it will certainly lose, it will become the backyards of a foreign empire.

              Before Gorbachev, that everything was good and right?
              1. Aljavad
                Aljavad 4 May 2013 04: 08 New
                0
                MOV - TEACHED. MOVIES - REMOVED. IN KREMLIN - SITES. BREAD-SALT - SHARE. FEW? WHAT'S WRONG? HALF OF UKRAINIANS RESIDENT IN THE RSFSR. I have not heard about repatriation. AT LEAST - WAS - OFFICERS AND PRAPORA WERE TRANSFERRED IN THE 91st.
                BECAUSE REASONED.
          4. old rocket man
            old rocket man 3 May 2013 18: 47 New
            +7
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            Now the world is such that it is necessary to make decisions by consensus, otherwise nothing will happen.


            "Ta ve schcho?" What is the consensus?
            Imagine a family mother, father and three children, if by consensus, then the first week is ice cream, chocolate, carousels, and the other three are paws of a suck (or something else laughing )
          5. Misantrop
            Misantrop 3 May 2013 20: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            The problem of the modern world lies in the field of all kinds of blocs, alliances, and all sorts of other nonsense.
            Well, for sure, Russia is crushing Ukraine - the brains have already squeezed laughing NOBODY in the world for a century and a half has no doubt that living together is easier than yourself. Especially during a tough crisis. But for Ukrainians, this is still stupid. Should one be surprised at the "successes" of this power?
            1. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 3 May 2013 21: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              Especially during a tough crisis.

              The main crisis in the head.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 3 May 2013 21: 31 New
                +5
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                The main crisis in the head.

                Well yes. No wonder the fleet says: "The worst hole in the ship is a hole in the captain’s head" laughing
                1. Vovka levka
                  Vovka levka 3 May 2013 21: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Misantrop

                  Well yes. No wonder the fleet says: "The worst hole in the ship is a hole in the captain’s head" laughing

                  In Ukraine, there is no captain where the wind blows, the ship goes there and drifts.
              2. yak69
                yak69 3 May 2013 22: 54 New
                +2
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                The main crisis in the head.

                This is clearly and directly confirmed by the examples of Ukrainian politicians and some citizens .....
                1. Vovka levka
                  Vovka levka 3 May 2013 23: 28 New
                  +1
                  Quote: yak69

                  This is clearly and directly confirmed by the examples of Ukrainian politicians and some citizens .....

                  Every citizen should have his head on his shoulders and think. I also do not like much about other people, but it is their right to have their own point of view. If someone thinks that he is always right and sinless, then this is not so. We live in a world of our illusions and subjective evaluations.
          6. Aljavad
            Aljavad 4 May 2013 03: 54 New
            0
            SINGLE RULES WILL NOT EVER. FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD THE FIRST LAW IS A STRONG RIGHT. BECAUSE - THE RIGHT OF THE RICH. BECAUSE - THE RIGHT OF SMART - CHOOSE FRIENDS AND (SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THEM) ENEMIES. A MULK ON TOLERANCE AND ETC. - WIRING FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT GET IN THE THIRD CATEGORY.
          7. ATATA
            ATATA 4 May 2013 09: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            Now the world is such that it is necessary to make decisions by consensus, otherwise nothing will happen.

            All Ukrainian society, and you personally, are stuck in a naive, childish democracy from the 90s for suckers.
            I wonder all the time! Why did this happen in Russia, but as if your time in the 90s stopped ?!
            There was not, there is not and will not be any consensus between the rogue and powerful countries.
            Open your eyes, where did you see this consensus ?? !!
            But Ukraine will not be strong NEVER, not because Russia does not want this, but because it TRUE life.
            Want to be strong, be Russia, want to be independent, be Ukraine.
            I wrote with Russia, not with Russia, and this is not a typo.
        2. MG42
          MG42 3 May 2013 17: 27 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Do not want to in the vehicle, and go to the EU, no one is holding.

          The Kremlin is unlikely to share this point of view = Russia will not release Ukraine from the orbit of its influence, the first "anchor" gas, the second base of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, etc. Although you know better in Russia.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 17: 43 New
            14
            Quote: MG42
            . Although you know better in Russia.

            We can see that Ukraine will never be taken into the EU, therefore we are calm.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 3 May 2013 18: 18 New
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              We can see that Ukraine will never be taken into the EU, therefore we are calm.

              I would have understood such actions of the Ukrainian authorities for years, for example, 10 ago - both relevant and had a real choice, and the EU economy was on the rise.
              Now it looks like an attempt to EVEN not just catch the departing train, but to shout after the last car: “And we are with you! Take it with you!”. The German engineer with gay guides heard this "voice crying in the wilderness", but only smirked, did not slow down, and threw a rope smeared in European shit: "Catch, but don’t be offended!"
            2. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 3 May 2013 18: 33 New
              -5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov

              We can see that Ukraine will never be taken into the EU, therefore we are calm.

              You know, it’s all one or the other, whether they will take Russia somewhere or not. Or others will adjoin it, this is a personal matter of Russia. And why is Russia not all one, I don’t understand? Let Ukraine choose its own path for itself, no need to impose anything. You will not be forcibly sweet. Or is the principle different? If he hits, then he loves.
              1. old rocket man
                old rocket man 3 May 2013 18: 53 New
                +9
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                Let Ukraine choose its own path for itself, no need to impose anything. You will not be forcibly sweet. Or is the principle different? If he hits, then he loves.


                Yes, you choose, who is holding you? Who is beating? They simply began to relate to you, like to other "European" countries: "Do you want something? -Buy, and don’t know that you are a" sister "
                1. Vovka levka
                  Vovka levka 3 May 2013 21: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: old rocket

                  Yes, you choose, who is holding you? Who is beating? They simply began to relate to you, like to other "European" countries: "Do you want something? -Buy, and don’t know that you are a" sister "

                  Personally, I do not whine. Everything has a price. Now the blues are in power - let them rule, time will tell what happens.
              2. maxon106
                maxon106 3 May 2013 19: 59 New
                +7
                Do you think about who your children will be in the future or grandchildren in this geyrop? People of the second grade !! For a hundred years nobody needs you there.
              3. Aljavad
                Aljavad 4 May 2013 04: 13 New
                +1
                IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE RUSSIA - MORE ALWAYS SWALLOWS LESS.
              4. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 4 May 2013 05: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                You know, it’s all like one whether they’ll take Russia somewhere or not

                And Russia is going somewhere laughing
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                And why is Russia not all one, I don’t understand?

                Because Ukrainians and Russians are one people, I do not mean Bandera.
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                Let Ukraine choose its own path for itself, no need to impose anything
                This way is deadlock !!! Russia does not impose anything, unlike the EU, that’s for sure the most natural dictatorship there.
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                If he hits, then he loves.
                Russia has not beaten you and does not hit you, but Russia is constantly getting tricks from Ukraine, but despite this it continues to support Ukraine, wherever possible.
          2. domokl
            domokl 4 May 2013 05: 17 New
            +1
            The Kremlin is well aware that any, I emphasize any interference (be it the army or humanitarian aid) in Ukraine will be interpreted as a threat to sovereignty. Not by one, so by another part of the population.
            And that means, as Anatole correctly pointed out, let Ukraine decide for itself what it needs ... and with whom it should be ...
      3. Aljavad
        Aljavad 4 May 2013 03: 50 New
        0
        SISTER-UKRAINE! WHAT CAN BE COCKET? ALREADY A QUARTER OF THE CENTURY IS ONE AND ALSO: SCRIPTING TOGETHER WITH ME, AND FRIENDS WITH EUROPE.
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    3. Russian
      Russian 3 May 2013 16: 16 New
      +6
      Are Vani Russians all fools? Of course, where can we go without you, you simply open your eyes to harsh reality!
      We were all one great state, but just such personalities have crushed and ruined our country! And still put the sticks in the wheels so that they do not unite, but on the contrary throats gnawed at each other. Dulles Hi Plan.
    4. Gari
      Gari 3 May 2013 17: 34 New
      +3
      .
      Quote: honest Jew
      After all, a clever Jew!


      This clever, and not at all, that the Jew, the main patriot of his country, in my opinion, left the key phrase at the end:
      This is beneficial for Ukraine itself, since it excludes the entry into force of that clause of the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi agreement, according to which, in the event of Russia's refusal from the Crimea, it automatically passes to Turkey. Mutual concessions can hardly be considered someone’s club.
      1. domokl
        domokl 4 May 2013 05: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Gari
        This clever, and not at all, the Jew, the main patriot of his country, in my opinion, left the key phrase on his horse
        Are you tired of jabbing the topic of the Jews? If a person is smart, if a person is a patriot, if a person does business for his country, is it really important what nationality he is? In St. Petersburg, under the Romanovs, monuments to the savior of Russia of the 1812 of the year were placed nearby, the great RUSSIAN commanders Kutuzov are standing nearby and Barclay de Tolly ... In honor of the great RUSSIAN naval commander Bering the whole strait is named ... And there are hundreds of such examples ...
    5. starshina78
      starshina78 3 May 2013 19: 50 New
      +1
      In my life I’ve only met a foolish Jew once. He worked as a loader and was a drunk. The name was Moses Nipper. He was a good man. Died.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 4 May 2013 04: 18 New
        +1
        WORKED FOR JEWS FOR JEWS. SEEN AND STUPID. BUT ALWAYS ALWAYS NEAR IT WAS SMART, WHICH HANDS DIRECTED HIM, AND IN COMMENTS NOT HESITATED. A STUPID SILENT AND LISTENED. THERE WOULD BE US AND SLAVAN SO.
    6. shpuntik
      shpuntik 3 May 2013 20: 58 New
      +2
      Smart Jew-in someone else's pocket does not work. lol
      1. mansur
        mansur 3 May 2013 22: 57 New
        0
        Old anecdote
        Take Abraham to the front
        Ask you boots or boots, of course boots
        You overcoat or sheepskin coat-of course a sheepskin coat
        And you machine gun or machine gun
        and he, that you are all to Abraham and Abraham, give something to Ivan
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 4 May 2013 04: 20 New
          +1
          DOGGLING - LONG AT THEIR HEROES OF THE SOVIET UNION? AND WHO AND NOT A HERO - CREATED THE IDF, THAT 70 YEARS WHOLE EAST PUT ON EARS.
    7. yak69
      yak69 3 May 2013 22: 22 New
      +7
      Quote: honest Jew
      After all, a clever Jew!

      More precisely, he is a Soviet Jew, therefore, not only smart, but also right!
      A Soviet Jew is a unique achievement of evolution. A Jew who has ceased to be a Zionist and has absorbed the spirit of internationalism is a serious victory for communist ideology. No state (in the entire history of civilization) has succeeded in assimilating the Jews. But the Soviet system did it! This indicates its power, vitality and development prospects.
      Something like that...
      hi
      Anatoly Wasserman ++++++
    8. apro
      apro 4 May 2013 01: 09 New
      0
      He is a clever Soviet scientist of Jewish descent. If he was a clever Jew, he would have mutilated grandmothers.
  2. Heccrbq
    Heccrbq 3 May 2013 16: 02 New
    -3
    A competent man knows everything, knows everything, the one who possesses such qualities knows nothing and knows nothing, only the tops, as practice shows.
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 3 May 2013 17: 14 New
    +1
    Onotole says business.
  4. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 3 May 2013 17: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: povkonavt
    A competent man. painted everything correctly.


    Skull, naked intellect without antics ...
  5. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 3 May 2013 17: 26 New
    0
    I painted it, but didn’t offer anything.
    1. Genur
      Genur 3 May 2013 18: 28 New
      +2
      Reread again. Wasserman - not VRVH. He is an analyst.
      1. Ventel
        Ventel 3 May 2013 20: 28 New
        -5
        Quote: Genur
        Reread again. Wasserman - not VRVH. He is an analyst.

        if he is an analyst, he should know the history of relations between Russia and Ukraine for 20 years. And to write articles for the sake of patriotic feelings of readers is immoral.
        1. mansur
          mansur 3 May 2013 22: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Ventel
          if he is an analyst, he should know the history of relations between Russia and Ukraine for 20 years. And to write articles for the sake of patriotic feelings of readers is immoral.

          And he knows because he writes
          1. Ventel
            Ventel 4 May 2013 00: 54 New
            -2
            if he knows, why he won’t say that relations were normal under KUCHMA. when Yushchenko said that he would buy Russian gas at European prices in the 2004 presidential election, the Kremlin’s policy immediately softened in relation to orange. recalled her when SEE became an example.
            1. Aljavad
              Aljavad 4 May 2013 04: 25 New
              +1
              IN MAJDAN EVERYTHING DAMAGED
              1. Ventel
                Ventel 4 May 2013 09: 39 New
                -1
                Quote: Aljavad
                IN MAJDAN EVERYTHING DAMAGED

                nakosyachili in the Kremlin. wanted money and got Yushchenko. and the fact that the policy of Ukraine will radically change the vow and did not think.
  6. Gari
    Gari 3 May 2013 17: 31 New
    +3
    In 2008, the famous company Gallup found out: in their native language, 5/6 of Ukrainian citizens are Russians. Any rapprochement between Ukraine and the rest of Russia will result in a complete merger. And the power of Ukraine will lose sovereignty, will become only the power of one of the regions of Russia. This is useful to the people, but detracts from power. So she pulls Ukraine anywhere, just to be away from Russia
    Why is it always so that it is useful to the people, to the detriment of the authorities, and so is everywhere
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 3 May 2013 18: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: Gari
      So she pulls Ukraine anywhere, just to be away from Russia

      Even to Turkey belay "Never before have the Turkish authorities so high and so harshly talked with the Ukrainian authorities on the restoration of the rights of the Crimean Tatars, and other painful issues in Turkish-Ukrainian relations. This was stated in an interview with Analitika.at.ua by the director of the Ukrainian Institute for Policy Analysis and Management Ruslan Bortnik, NewsOboz.org reports. "Of course, this statement goes beyond a simple wish, and comes closer to the demand, while being a form of political blackmail" - he declared. The publication recalls the fact when the speaker of the Turkish parliament, Cemil Cicek, as part of a recent official visit to Ukraine in Crimea met with the leaders of the autonomy, as well as the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. As Air Force Ukraine reported, The speaker emphasized the need to fully restore the rights of Crimean Tatars returning from places of Stalin's deportation, as well as to cancel the decision of the Crimean Parliament in 2005 on the recognition of the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire in 1915.
      «Cemil Cicek talked about the free trade zone, the need to increase trade between Ukraine and Turkey from $ 6 to $ 20 billion. At the same time, he expressed support for the Mejlis, which the authorities are now ignoring, and demanded the annulment of the decision on recognition of the genocide. The Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Crimea Vladimir Konstantino said that Crimea is ready to resolve all controversial issues. ”Over the past 20 years, the influence of Turkey (military, economic and political) in the Black Sea and Mediterranean regions has increased significantly. At the same time, the influence of Ukraine and even Russia has significantly decreased. The Turkish state today has the largest military power in the Black Sea. According to experts, his strength is much higher than even the combined forces of Ukraine and Russia. Turkey has serious economic potential, therefore, it bears serious plans for becoming itself a regional leader. In addition, she even competes with Saudi Arabia for the status of a secular leader in the Islamic world. In this regard, the bridgehead of the Crimea and a weakened Ukraine looks quite attractive in the eyes of the Turkish authorities for the realization of certain political ambitions. And these ambitions are connected, first of all, with two aspects. The first is the Crimean Tatars, which Turkey, along with Saudi Arabia, provides humanitarian and financial assistance. For example, it provides support for the education system in the Crimean Tatar language in Crimea, and implements a housing construction program for Crimean Tatar repatriates. The second, most important aspect is that any destabilization in Crimea is beneficial for Turkey, because it will transfer the tourist flow from the peninsula to the Turkish coast. ”... http://newsoboz.org/politika/turtsiya-nachinaet-okazyvat-davlenie-na-ukrainu-210
      42013193200
    2. yak69
      yak69 3 May 2013 23: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Gari
      what is useful to the people is to the detriment of the authorities, and so on everywhere and always

      Everywhere and always ?! Do your words also refer to the USSR?
      It seems to me that you have summarized everything very coolly.
      Or am I wrong?
  7. Ventel
    Ventel 3 May 2013 20: 16 New
    -2
    literacy I'm unsure.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 3 May 2013 21: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Ventel
      literacy I'm unsure.
      I'm sure. AND "roam" Yours and Wasserman.
  8. donchepano
    donchepano 3 May 2013 21: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: povkonavt

    A competent man. painted everything correctly.


    I respect Wasserman as a decent person. But I don’t agree about a tougher policy towards Ukraine, since the Ukrainian authorities are not the whole people, but some kind of a handful can take as much as ten whole hells of a tenth. Ukrainians are still brothers, and although there is a small number of negatively tuned by our enemies, they do not play a special role. Ukraine is hard now. But once again I repeat, they are brothers. I believe when people will expel inadequate leaders in our countries (the former USSR)
    1. domokl
      domokl 4 May 2013 05: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: donchepano
      since the authorities of Ukraine are not the whole people, but some sort of bunch can 0 as much as a tenth.
      Or maybe look on the other side? Is it the policy of Russia from the position that you have that allows the Ukrainian authorities to mess up to the fullest? And what are they risking? Russia will still give what is needed, help out ...
      And the people for whom we advocate understand this too. That is why we see such election results, such an attitude towards Russia. We think the introduction of a visa regime for Ukraine will be such a strong blow for the people, after which it will be very difficult for Ukraine to recover ...
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 4 May 2013 06: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        introduction of a visa regime for Ukraine
        HERE A TWO-FINISHED STICK - on the one hand, those who are constantly earning money in Russia will understand that you can’t bite your lactating hand, and on the other hand, even the tolerant part of the population will anger, and then all the paths to an even possible reunion will be completely cut off, from Russia they’ll make not just the image of the enemy, but some kind of monster. Measure seven times ...
  9. selbrat
    selbrat 4 May 2013 05: 48 New
    +1
    Maybe he’s literate, only until the “Wassermans” indicate and decide how to behave with us, nothing good will come. Recently I watched the program, there Irina Bugelman or Fugelman most of all baked and talked about the fate of the Ukrainian and Russian people. Harvad herself mastered it. Brains are clear from where.
  • vlad767
    vlad767 3 May 2013 11: 26 New
    50
    Latvia has already joined the EU, and our industry has ordered a long life. In particular, at the request of the EU, one of the largest sugar factories was closed. It is difficult to find work in the country, and young people go abroad. Do not repeat our mistakes ... You have nothing to do in the EU.
    1. shurup
      shurup 3 May 2013 15: 45 New
      18
      Don’t talk about sugar.
      The Baltic states supplied the entire USSR with excellent meat processing products. The deficit was, however.
      After the EU quotas - no bacon, no work. Again the poor Balts serve the barons. Timid attempts to return to the regiments of Yeliseyevsky are roughly suppressed by shouts from Brussels.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 16: 42 New
        +8
        Quote: shurup
        The Baltic States supplied the entire USSR with excellent products

        They still have an excellent product-SPRINGS wassat All that's left
        1. Gecko
          Gecko 3 May 2013 17: 22 New
          16
          I personally boycott their sprats for their Russophobia.
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 3 May 2013 17: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          All that's left
          I haven’t seen it for a long time, but what about Riga Balsam ... under sprat heads? drinks
          1. zennon
            zennon 3 May 2013 17: 41 New
            +8
            No, seriously. I don’t take anything from the Baltic either. They, of course, will not be impoverished, but if I’m not alone?
            1. Egoza
              3 May 2013 17: 58 New
              +9
              Quote: zennon
              I also do not take anything Baltic.

              Mutually! Moreover, the quality has greatly decreased!
          2. Pushkar
            Pushkar 3 May 2013 22: 02 New
            +1
            The balm is now available in simplified technology, half the ingredients.
        3. smile
          smile 3 May 2013 17: 36 New
          +9
          Alexander Romanov
          Tochno ... just not what was left - but what they were allowed to leave ... and these sprats, in the production of which they stopped smoking, became much worse. than earlier ... that feeling. that people buy them out of habit - in the days of the USSR they were of high enough quality ... and now only the name remains ...
          By the way, there is a polemic in Lithuania now - will the Lithuanians feel good when the euro is introduced, the people, looking at the diving European Union, are nervous ... the arguments of their leading financiers cause tears of tenderness - do not worry, Lithuania has not controlled its currency since 1994 and does not have the right to any currency regulation - in 94 this right was transferred to the Fed, and in the early 2000s - the Central Bank of Europe - what difference does it make, we have already lost currency independence ... :))))
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 17: 47 New
            10
            Quote: smile
            ... a feeling. that people buy them out of habit -

            Hi Smail! What are you talking about, who is now buying their sprats, now ours are both better and tastier. Let yourself sprat their hawk.
            1. smile
              smile 3 May 2013 18: 15 New
              +3
              Alexander Romanov
              Hello!!!
              Yes, it infuriates me that in the Kaliningrad region this rubbish, which is "smoked" by some kind of chemical water, is still there ... and some people buy from old memory, despite the presence of a mass of their equally high-quality products ... Where, Mlyn Does Onishchenko look? !!! :))))
        4. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs 3 May 2013 17: 40 New
          +4
          They say sprats do not correspond to any European standard.
          1. smile
            smile 3 May 2013 18: 55 New
            +5
            Jurkovs
            There was hype in their press - they say that during the smoking process some carcinogenic substances (or may appear) appear in the sprats, and therefore they refused to smoke and began to water the fish with some kind of chemistry (which seems to be very useful) that gives the fish a look and color and the smell is smoked, of course, they buy this chemistry in the West ... all the same. that our sanitary standards for food are much tougher and more picky than European ones. Our smoked fish did not find anything carcinogenic ....
        5. evgen762
          evgen762 3 May 2013 20: 01 New
          +2
          You are not alone yet, 7 people in Orel have announced a boycott of Baltic products.
        6. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 3 May 2013 20: 25 New
          +2
          I can’t agree with you colleague - sprats are one of the most harmful products - read the opinion of doctors and specialists in the field of healthy nutrition.
        7. Seraph
          Seraph 3 May 2013 23: 34 New
          +2
          For a long time already I do not eat their sprats. Do not climb into your mouth. He was several times in the Baltic states: you probably won't find such provincialism and idle talk anywhere else
          1. smile
            smile 4 May 2013 14: 28 New
            0
            Seraph
            :)))) Well, why ... according to the stories, in Moldova and Romania it is also about the same - just hurry up a little ....
    2. Rink
      Rink 3 May 2013 16: 17 New
      +8
      Quote: vlad767
      ... Do not repeat our mistakes ... You have nothing to do in the EU.

      And then, you might think, this is the people in the EU seeking!

      In addition to the Galician Nazis and State Department-controlled corrupt politicians, no one needs the EU. True, the agitation and psychological treatment of the population is so powerful that some ordinary people are already beginning to believe in the malice of Russia and the inexhaustible decency of rich Europe. (You will not hear a word about the fact that Europe has a severe crisis, and America is on the verge of default in the Ukrainian SMRAD.)
      But about Russia they collect all the negativity they find. (By the way, until now SMRAD continues to talk about the execution of Polish officers by Russia as a reliable fact, as if there was no decision of the European court, which recognized the complete failure of this version!) And even positive events are presented with a smirk. Like, you know Russia - it's not true!

      Unfortunately, not the people determine the course of Ukraine, but the State Department.
      The Ministry of Internal Affairs in Ukraine is four times more powerful than the army, and the authorities simply will not allow manifestations of mass discontent. The SBU monitors the Internet, correspondence, and conversations of “suspicious” entities, and those who try to become the organizers of popular rallies will be taken at an early stage, BEFORE it can even create any capable organization or party.

      Ukraine itself will not get out of these networks.
      No matter how reluctantly, but have to admit.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 16: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: vlad767
      Do not repeat our mistakes ... You have nothing to do in the EU.

      A good comment for Yanukovych, although he has his own financial interests and he will not be left without work. As for the people, well, the people themselves want to go to Europe and already more than in the TS
      1. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 3 May 2013 16: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        As for the people, well, the people themselves want to go to Europe and already more than in the TS

        Did the people themselves tell you this?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 17: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: olegyurjewitch
          Did the people themselves tell you this?

          This Kaa spread the information with the polls, but he is from Ukraine and not Natsik
          1. Egoza
            3 May 2013 17: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            This Kaa spread info with polls,

            Surveys by polls, (Kaa correctly laid out) only somehow polls for disuse pull, or to justify what Yanukovych says about the EU. With all the possibilities of manipulation, a referendum on the CU and the EU is in no hurry and is not visible in the foreseeable future. they are preparing a referendum on completely different issues, but this is not! All the same, they are afraid to submit such a question for discussion. Because here the truth will come up.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 17: 50 New
              +3
              Quote: Egoza
              With all the possibilities of manipulation, a referendum on the CU and the EU is in no hurry

              Elena, well, it’s more likely that the EU will stand on its hind legs, they don’t make any concessions there. Or by theirs or by sanction. Although now in the Western press the power of Ukraine is called the regime.
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 3 May 2013 17: 41 New
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            he is from Ukraine and not Natsik
            That's right, but ... It's a shame for the Power. "What have we achieved in a hundred years, in which we have surpassed our ancestors? Alas, but almost everything that could be boasted also remained in the past - in the Soviet past. The Russian Empire exported mainly raw materials - the export of Ukraine and the Russian Federation is also built on raw materials. So, for example, in 2011 (Rosstat data) 70% of Russian exports were mineral products, and another 11% metals - totaling $ 419 billion (a quarter of GDP). We are in an even worse situation, because the only export part of the economy is also tied to the same pipe, and we already have to buy gas and oil for cash. 30% of Ukrainian exports are metallurgy products, another 13% are ore, coal and other minerals, 8% are chemical products. At the same time, food occupies only 23% of exports, but a significant surprise was the noticeable weight of engineering - up to 18% of imports! This is undoubtedly pleasing, if not to recall that the total volume of Ukrainian imports (in dollars) is ten times less than that of our Russian neighbors. Not only can we not jump over their oil fountain, we cannot catch up with them in the volume of industrial exports. We plunged into an even worse “credit history” than the tsarist government. If the Russian Federation paid its debts with petrodollars and now enjoys the status of one of the few countries in the world that owes nothing to anyone, then Ukraine owes $ 130 billion (gross external debt). This is 75% of GDP! Under the wise guidance of “professionals,” the country is confidently moving toward bankruptcy - but it is not it that scares at all, but the price that Ukraine will be asked to pay to avoid it. And we remember that under pressure from Western creditors, the Russian Empire surrendered in the war with Japan and destroyed itself in the war with Germany. However, as the history of our country shows, even the most severe defeat can be the start for a new breakthrough, and even the most terrible poverty and backwardness can not prevent this. There would be a desire - but normal power! http://www.from-ua.com/voice/400c1fcd68916.html
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 3 May 2013 17: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: vlad767
        Do not repeat our mistakes ... You have nothing to do in the EU.

        A good comment for Yanukovych, although he has his own financial interests and he will not be left without work. As for the people, well, the people themselves want to go to Europe and already more than in the TS


        Galicia is not the whole nation. I have a lot of acquaintances in Ukraine, mainly in industrial areas, they say that they’re lying about cars on every turn and they scare Russian business.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 17: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: Geisenberg
          I have a lot of acquaintances in Ukraine, mainly in industrial areas, they say that they’re lying about cars on every turn and they scare Russian business.

          There at the bottom koment Kars, read. They don't lie, and some were convinced of it hi
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 3 May 2013 18: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There at the bottom koment Kars, read. They don't lie, and some were convinced of it hi


            hi

            So if hammering one and the same and everything into an unprotected head? Convincing is not a problem, just let me get to my head.
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 3 May 2013 18: 40 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , and some were convinced of this
            Yes, at least half the population. I have written more than once, WHERE IS THE RUSSIAN MEDIA FOR UKRAINE? And I'm not the only one to ask this question: "Recently, a real information war has erupted in Ukraine for its integration future.. European Union or Customs Union? Brussels or Moscow? “Civilized” countries or “scoop”? And all this against the background of a unanimous declaration of devotion to European integration on the part of the President of Ukraine, the Prime Minister of Ukraine, as well as the majority of parliamentary factions. Who is this information war aimed at? First of all, it should be noted that this information war is mainly against the integration of Ukraine into the Customs Union. There was no obvious answer to this information wave from the partisans of the CU in Ukraine. There are several reasons for this: the fragmentation of these forces, the lack of a single center and the lack of assistance from Moscow. These problems, by the way, are absent among EU adherents in Ukraine. There are various foundations of support-democracy-and-human rights, grants are issued for various humanitarian projects, which, in reality, contribute to the popularization of the so-called European choice and the EU among the Ukrainian population, especially young people. Thus, Brussels skillfully seeks to realize its interests. Ukrainians want to live simultaneously with Europe and Russia, they want European, consumer standards of living and close friendship with Russia and the post-Soviet space. February-March 2013 results show less vague results compared to previous years - supporters of eastern and western integration vectors are becoming even. Therefore, the chances of holding an all-Ukrainian referendum are shared by both parties. An important segment will be people who have not yet decided. And in case of holding such a referendum, we get a picture, like in the parliamentary and presidential elections of recent years - bisected society. And this is fraught with conflict. Especially taking into account the unstable, sliding downward socio-economic situation in the country. For the full integration of Ukraine into the political, economic and legal space of the EU, public support of the Ukrainian people is needed.
            That is precisely why the information war against the integration of Ukraine into the Customs Union has recently been so massive. Its customers need to create public opinion, which will not allow part of the Ukrainian elite, in which case to turn east. On the whole, slowly, this succeeds, but economic and social instability, which is growing both within the country and beyond its borders, can seriously swing the scales. For example, the story of taxation of deposits in Cyprus may make the Ukrainian elite wake up and realize that it is better to keep money in their own country and invest in its development. This story is a good example of how you can take the elites of various countries that have invested in foreign banks for a soft spot and continue to have a serious lever of pressure on them. http://warfiles.ru/show-27645-informacionnaya-voyna-protiv-tamozhennogo-soyuza-r
            eakciya-ukrainskogo-obschestva.html
      3. Kaa
        Kaa 3 May 2013 17: 30 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        he has his own financial interests and he will not be left without work

        He used to often proudly say that during his time as the “governor” of the Donetsk region he didn’t let a single Russian businessman go to Donbass ... In how much the Ukrainian soul was ill ... he became insanely ... especially since last year.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 17: 52 New
          +4
          Quote: Kaa
          that when he was a “governor” of the Donetsk region he didn’t let a single Russian businessman go to Donbass

          Russian business in Ukraine does not break now, too unstable power. Who comes next and what the hell will throw him knows.
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 3 May 2013 18: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Russian business in Ukraine does not break now, too unstable power. Who comes next and what the hell will throw him knows.


            And here everything is clear. Thrown out - Russian business, with no options, if this one now goes to them. Yanukovych did not say that he was waiting for the Russians as relatives. He must be given his due, and he does not say that the enemies are bright. And what doesn’t let you into business is hunting itself, in general, this is a normal situation.

            The next step in Ukraine is likely to be another orange. There are more than enough reasons. And orange can easily pull the split of the country. In theory, someone else could come to the place of another Ukraine. Who will come, of course, there are doubts, but who will be thrown is known in advance.

            Something like this.
            1. mansur
              mansur 3 May 2013 23: 00 New
              0
              Quote: Geisenberg
              And what doesn’t let you into business is hunting itself, in general, this is a normal situation.

              And who needs competitors?
            2. domokl
              domokl 4 May 2013 05: 53 New
              +1
              lol senberg ->
              Quote: Gei lol senberg
              Throw out - the Russian business, without options, if such now goes to them.
              The Russians are quite active in Ukraine .. Just like the Ukrainians in Russia ... I don’t want to surf the sites, see for yourself. All these political squabbles have no effect on business.
              Another thing is that a lot of sticks are put in the wheels ... So we have the same
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 3 May 2013 17: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: vlad767
      Latvia has already joined the EU, and our industry has ordered a long life. In particular, at the request of the EU, one of the largest sugar factories was closed. It is difficult to find work in the country, and young people go abroad. Do not repeat our mistakes ... You have nothing to do in the EU.


      Don’t worry, friend ... soon only Russians will remain in Latvia. You yourself understand how this will end for Latvia.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 3 May 2013 18: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Do not worry friend ...

        On the eve of May 9, members of the All-Latvia, Fatherland and Liberty party, a member of the government, took the initiative to demolish the Liberators Monument in Riga. This was reported on Friday by the local online portal mixnews.lv .------- At the 79-meter stele, sculptures of the Motherland and three warrior-liberators, fresh flowers lie year-round. Traditionally, on Victory Day, May 9, up to 300 thousand people gather near the monument.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 3 May 2013 18: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          On the eve of May 9, members of the All-Latvia, Fatherland and Liberty party, a member of the government, took the initiative to demolish the Liberators Monument in Riga.


          What did you expect from neo-Nazis?

          I have already voiced the proposal, stupidity is unconditional, but if it comes to the end ... and so: 2 201 196 people live in Latvia according to Wikipedia. If I’m not mistaken, 30% of them are Russian. So the problem of the Nazis can be solved in 1 day if each patriot shoots 3 Nazis. And this country will become an ordinary European country ...

          Something like this.

          hi
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 3 May 2013 18: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: Geisenberg
            Something like this.

            And why not?
            It is also an option...
          2. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 3 May 2013 19: 18 New
            +3
            If things come to pass, IMHO, the “battle” will be cleaner than Tallinn. And our Foreign Ministry should make a corresponding warning. Against the background of the installation of a monument to SS legionnaires in Bauska (http://vragi-naroda.net/?p=2486 bully ) this new initiative of Latvian politicians looks like an attempt to revive Hitlerism, condemned by the Nuremberg Tribunal. And, moreover, this wave is “driven” not only in the Baltic States, but also in Lviv, for example. It’s getting hot on the fronts of the post-Soviet geopolitical battles hi
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 3 May 2013 15: 18 New
    +6
    Article +. All right says.
    More than a month has passed. And where is the promised showdown?

    Miller expressed doubts that reverse gas supplies really exist and said that in fact "Gazprom" gas, crossing the European border, immediately turns to Ukraine.

    “It’s not just being pumped: a loopback is being made at the border, and at the gas metering station it is allegedly shown that certain volumes of“ Gazprom ”gas are supplied in reverse mode to Europe and, accordingly, to the European market,” the head of Gazprom said.

    Miller noted that such a practice is fraudulent and should simply be dealt with.

    http://www.km.ru/economics/2013/03/30/gazprom/707299-miller-nazval-moshennichest


    vom-evropeiskie-zakupki-gaza-ukrainoi
  • Canep
    Canep 3 May 2013 15: 20 New
    +6
    I absolutely agree with Anatoly. The Ukrainian leadership wants to catch two trains that travel in different directions. Until integration into the TS begins to introduce a strict visa regime for Ukrainian guest workers, and entry into Russia for guests on international passports with an arrival of no more than 30 days. And as you enter the flows, turn off gas transit to 0.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 3 May 2013 15: 51 New
      10
      Quote: Canep
      a strict visa regime for Ukrainian guest workers, and entry to Russia for guests with international passports with an arrival of no more than 30 days

      The date Russia introduced the visa regime with countries outside the CU is unlikely to "coincide" with the date of elections in Ukraine.
      Only the farthest this "does not notice."
      The 1 of January of the 2015 of March (or of March, May, July) will become the point of "no return" in the Russian-Ukrainian "civil marriage."
    2. shurup
      shurup 3 May 2013 15: 57 New
      0
      On the Internet, sappers can make mistakes more than once. The leadership of Ukraine is not migrant workers, rather, suppliers of them for the good of Russia, albeit involuntary.
      By the way, do you have at least one share of the gas company that you so freely recommend the direction of flows?
      Or are you also an independent expert and adviser?
      1. Canep
        Canep 3 May 2013 16: 58 New
        +2
        You have other options for how to make the leadership of Ukraine think about their people, taking this into account:
        Quote: vlad767
        Latvia has already joined the EU, and our industry has ordered a long life. In particular, at the request of the EU, one of the largest sugar factories was closed. It is difficult to find work in the country, and young people go abroad. Do not repeat our mistakes ... You have nothing to do in the EU.
  • Nick
    Nick 3 May 2013 15: 28 New
    +4
    Each fruit must ripen. Ukraine is already ripening. The time will come and she will once again have to determine the overlord. The question, in fact, is where the "ripened fruit", so to speak, will fall.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 3 May 2013 15: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Nick
      Each fruit must ripen. Ukraine is already ripening.


      It would be nice ... But it seems to rot request
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    4. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 3 May 2013 15: 53 New
      +5
      Most likely, Ukraine will be divided into two opposite camps.
      1. Nick
        Nick 3 May 2013 17: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: ramzes1776
        Most likely, Ukraine will be divided into two opposite camps.

        Maybe this is the way out for everyone ...
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 3 May 2013 15: 30 New
    +4
    The attitude to Ukraine and the attitude to the temporarily fulfilling duties of its leaders are two big differences, as they say in the famous, I hope, Comrade Wasserman and Odessa. And projecting an attitude to these ARIOs on all the people of Ukraine is a big mistake, Yes, and you also need to learn to work with ARIOs. With any. And not always a whip, as an instrument of foreign policy, is appropriate here. As, however, and too sweet gingerbread. They also tried to speak with Belarus from a position of strength, then they realized that the position was not quite the same. So it’s more thoroughly necessary with Ukraine, guys. Closer than the Ukrainian and Belarusian peoples, Russia has never had and never will be. And the different directions of the ARIO movement are determined by the presence of the Bryder and Shukevich Bryder and Shukevich last-climbers who climbed to the upper levels under Yushchenko as a part of the ARIO. By the way, Yushchenko himself, admittedly, is the result of a successful operation by the CIA and his representative, spouse Yushchenko. Well done woman. She managed to crush under herself not only her spouse but all of Ukraine. But where the FSB of Russia looked at that time was a big question. For its machinations, the CIA receives a salary from the US treasury. And what is the FSB salary paid for if it allows for such massive failures as Yushchenko with his orange "rrrevolution"? And now, of course. It’s too late, Vasya, to drink Borjomi if the kidneys fail. Here a thin surgical operation is needed. But not all of Ukraine should be put on the operating table according to the method of Wasserman.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 3 May 2013 19: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: gregor6549
      But not all of Ukraine should be put on the operating table according to the method of Wasserman.

      Quote: gregor6549
      But where the FSB of Russia looked at that time was a big question. For its machinations, the CIA receives a salary from the US treasury. And for what the FSB salary is paid if it allows for such large-scale failures as Yushchenko with his orange "rrrevolution"


      Well, you there, in your America, are completely fucked up. First of all, Ukraine, at the moment, a sovereign country, and what about the FSB ?, to give the United States and Westerners a reason to yell at the whole world about Russia's interference in internal affairs and imperial manners?
      And don’t have to talk, oh how sorry the people of Ukraine are, the people have chosen their power, let it either be with it or change it to another, Julia and Yushch were “re-elected”.
      You must answer for your affairs. hi
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 3 May 2013 20: 21 New
        +2
        Old racketeer! Well, I think that we must admit that our FSB partly also went into business. In Moscow, even some sinks belong to the Federal Security Service.
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 3 May 2013 21: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: mhpv
          Old racketeer! Well, I think that we must admit that our FSB partly also went into business. In Moscow, even some sinks belong to the Federal Security Service.

          What is, that is, but, I think, this is not related to the topic drinks
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 3 May 2013 23: 06 New
            0
            Old spy, I stuck the koment a little in the wrong place. I had to insert it in response to George 6549, so that I could understand that we have the FSB and earn more, and not like Americans at the expense of the budget drinks
      2. gregor6549
        gregor6549 4 May 2013 05: 20 New
        +1
        Dear Rocketeer,

        I had in mind the failures of the KGB and the FSB even before Ukraine became terribly independent, and I, and thousands of people like me, were not at all in their own “America”. All that happened then is not a cause, but a consequence of these and other failures. And about susyukaniya. And about the election. Where and when did the people themselves choose those who would rule their country and Ukraine is no exception. And people always face the fact. Starting tomorrow, such a point will rule. And do not forget to say that it was you who chose him ... if they ask. And the people went, as before, to plow, and not on themselves but on the next government and the next "servants of the people." And you, him, this people want to bring to justice for its rulers. Not good with
    2. Ventel
      Ventel 3 May 2013 20: 36 New
      -1
      The FSB was looking at Gazprom.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 3 May 2013 22: 59 New
        +1
        here you are wrong.
        in Russia there are at least such powerful levers of influence as Gazprom, at worst Onishchenko, but in Ukraine, alas, there are none.
        Naftogaz even managed with contracts. the whole policy of Ukraine along with companies and oligarchs can only affect ordinary citizens driving them into bondage
        1. Ventel
          Ventel 4 May 2013 01: 04 New
          +1
          Of course not if Tymoshenko removed all competitors from the gas market. And entered into a bonded contract with Gazprom.
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 3 May 2013 21: 36 New
      +1
      No, it's not a couple of spies, even those as successful as Yusch. The point, as Wasserman says, is in the "oligarchs." Why in quotation marks? You see ...
      Europe has a technology worked out like a watch, how to behave with countries that have become “independent”. As soon as this happens with another unfortunate country, she immediately has home-grown oligarchs. That is, vile killers and robbers violently tearing their country into their own pockets. But where to put this pocket? Not at home in the country, in fact ...
      And the oligarchs are pulling money to Europe. Well, there ... as soon as the next stupid black Arabs are drawn on the horizon ... Ukrainians, everything is ready in Europe. That is, a maximum of a year later, another stupid black man ... that is, what an educated Ukrainian pitchfork discovers that he does not have a penny. Moreover, he owes so much to civilized and incredibly honest Europeans that selling the whole family with bl ... secretaries and hometown to organs will not solve anything.
      But lovely Europeans are always happy to help! Therefore, a mutually beneficial agreement is concluded. Advertisers consider how much money to allocate to the "oligarch" to dust in the eyes. Everything else, up to a penny, goes to Europe to pay off debts. I assure you, these debts there are four times as much as the whole of Ukraine combined. And the "oligarch" is regularly plucked in the ass to sell the country more actively! Not that...
      So the "oligarchs" will stand to death, and there is nothing to count on any change in their position. They have one position in which the Europeans have long put them and have them in it with nasty sounds. And with them - and the whole country ...
    4. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 3 May 2013 22: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: gregor6549
      Here a thin surgical operation is needed.


      What operation?
      The KGB officer of GDP apparently knows about this SUCH that he does not carry out any such actions!

      You are far behind! There are some papers that Yelkin waved from a hangover and that do not give ours any means of acting by the old KGB methods!

      And cut off = do not indulge in the most!

      So sho - the most civil methods i.e. persuasion!
      And now this is not "transport"!
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 May 2013 15: 32 New
    +4
    still smart Jew. and the rights of he-ordinary people of ho-x-liang-di are sorry. I have a lot of friends there
  • avt
    avt 3 May 2013 15: 33 New
    +8
    I do not agree with the title of the article; politics should not be tougher but more progmatic. Well, the leadership of Ukraine is not going to integrate with Russia request , so it’s necessary to act in the spirit of gas flows, depriving the illusions of independence that they only say and will not do it. Without further ado and persuasion, let them rush about as they want.
    Quote: Canep
    Until they begin integration into the CU, introduce a strict visa regime for Ukrainian guest workers
    It’s just that you don’t need to specifically invent anything for them. There are internal rules for members of the customs union - that’s all. Beer for union members. laughing
    1. VADIMKRSK
      VADIMKRSK 3 May 2013 18: 55 New
      0
      beer and lard ... union is inevitable. but cola?
  • Good man
    Good man 3 May 2013 15: 34 New
    -16
    "... because it excludes the entry into force of that clause of the Kucuk-Kainardzhi agreement, according to which, in the event of Russia's refusal of the Crimea, it automatically passes to Turkey.

    I rumble nimogu and this person is considered some kind of sage pancake laughing
    Tolya, go read it, by what principle are legal relations between states and the history of treaties between Turkey, the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and Ukraine formed. Do not disgrace your beard and your native university.
    All the rest thinking about Ukraine at the same level is the plumbing venerating the Moscow Komsomolets ...
    1. radar75
      radar75 3 May 2013 15: 39 New
      -29
      Lord, what does not come to mind from a long abstinence! nothing decent.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 16: 45 New
        +8
        Quote: radar75
        Lord, what will never come to mind from a long abstinence

        Did not try to meet a girl?
    2. olegom
      olegom 3 May 2013 16: 15 New
      -16
      Because of such plumbers, it is better for Ukraine to abandon its nuclear-free status. And do not choose between the Tatar-Mongol yoke and the Khazar Khaganate
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 16: 46 New
        14
        Quote: olegom
        Because of such plumbers, it is better for Ukraine to abandon its nuclear-free status.

        What are rockets, plants and technologies? You can’t buy tanks, but here I decided to build missiles with nuclear weapons. Where does Zin come from?
      2. old rocket man
        old rocket man 3 May 2013 19: 21 New
        0
        Quote: olegom
        olegom


        Well, right, they broke the virgin, didn’t marry, the only way out is a rope.
        So, do you think?
      3. Seraph
        Seraph 3 May 2013 23: 46 New
        +1
        First, Ukraine must abandon its “tankless” status, “non-cash” status, etc., etc.
    3. suomi
      suomi 3 May 2013 16: 34 New
      11
      After the defeat of Turkey in the Russian-Turkish war of 1768-1774. and the conclusion of the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi peace treaty of 1774. Crimea was declared an independent state from Turkey under the protectorate of Russia. According to the aforementioned peace treaty, in the event of Russia's refusal from Crimea, Turkey again receives the right to include it in its composition. This INTERNATIONAL LEGAL ACT was never later reviewed or revoked.
      1. Good man
        Good man 3 May 2013 17: 01 New
        0
        Quote: suomi
        According to the aforementioned peace treaty, in the event of Russia's refusal from Crimea, Turkey again receives the right to include it in its composition. This INTERNATIONAL LEGAL ACT was never later reviewed or revoked.

        What kind of legal heresy? Do you know the history of your native country? the provisions of this agreement, as well as the restrictions connected with it, were canceled by subsequent agreements as a result of the following wars. And Crimea has completely passed to RI without any Turkish rights to it. Belonging of Crimea to the USSR and later to Ukraine is confirmed by the mass of subsequent agreements with Turkey on the recognition of borders.
        Here, at least someone can turn on the brains ??
        1. smile
          smile 3 May 2013 17: 48 New
          +2
          Good man
          Wah ... do you think that there’s one with brains? ... You know, there is such a saying - if the seventh husband hits in the face, then maybe not the husbands, but the face itself is to blame? If no one shares your clever thoughts, maybe they’re not worth a penny as well? ... then you yourself include something there ... should you have some kind of button ....
  • MG42
    MG42 3 May 2013 15: 38 New
    10
    Over the past three years, my opinion about the Party of Regions in general and the president in particular has deteriorated sharply. I was convinced that a significant part of the members of this party - including almost all of its leadership - was not thinking about the development of Ukraine.

    I agree that the current rulers think only about themselves and about their enrichment. The bad thing is that the temporary workers essentially want to stay at the helm and further, and realizing that the elections will not win, they are preparing a referendum, <it doesn’t matter how they vote, but it is important how they count> ...
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 3 May 2013 17: 43 New
      +4
      Yanukovych is well aware that his house in Germany will be no worse than that of Gorbachev and Shevardnadze.
      1. MG42
        MG42 3 May 2013 18: 01 New
        +3
        I don’t know what the humpbacks in Germany need to look for, but Yanukovych already has a pretty good estate near Kiev and a summer house in the Crimea, I think it’ll be coolercottage in Crimea
        1. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs 4 May 2013 06: 49 New
          0
          A house in Germany in the sense of political asylum. The estate near Kiev and the dacha in the Crimea are more likely traps.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 May 2013 15: 45 New
    +8
    The main thing is to figure out how not to attach the zapadentsev ... So they definitely let them fall into Europe.
    1. Nick
      Nick 3 May 2013 17: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Zomanus
      The main thing is to figure out how not to attach the zapadentsev ... So they definitely let them fall into Europe.

      It is unlikely that they really want to see them there ... Cyprus is already in the EU, Greece is in doubt for an exit ...
    2. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 3 May 2013 17: 44 New
      +4
      And what is there to think. We must admit the inclusion of Western Ukraine in the USSR in 1939 as a mistake and restore their independence within the borders of 1939.
      1. Egoza
        3 May 2013 18: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Jurkovs
        We must admit the inclusion of Western Ukraine in the USSR in 1939 as a mistake

        Here I almost agree. There is also Transcarpathia! And these are Rusyns! How much they have fought off Galitsa! Rather, let them make a small ZUNR or "Galician independence." Moreover, there are already calls from the side of Galicia itself - 1. To write your nationality is not Ukrainian, but Galician, 2 - Separate from Eastern Ukraine (but then the guys thought that the gas pipe goes through them, so they gathered for transit from Eastern Ukraine "ahhh to take money, it’s possible it will not work" laughing )
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 3 May 2013 15: 45 New
    13
    The Russian Federation, it seems, has decided to provide Ukraine with its own fate in the hope that the Ukrainian authorities will sooner or later bring it to such a ruin, which only the Russian Federation can restore. Ukraine, of course, will demand gifts and concessions from it, sometimes referring to historical kinship, then blackmailing it with rapprochement with the EU. But Russia, most likely, will not pay attention to these requirements.
    KEY, perhaps, the phrase of the whole article.
    One can laugh, mock, cry and laugh over the details and personalization of Vasserman’s vision, but the essence of this does not change - the forum has many citizens and residents of Ukraine who think the same way. Or almost the same.
    1. SergBrNord
      SergBrNord 3 May 2013 20: 58 New
      +2
      Most likely, the Kremlin figured out all the options and, given the specifics of the “politics” of Ukraine, they decided that Nezalezhnaya would come to the TS faster without help than with it. Which seems to me to be a perfectly sound option.
  • roial
    roial 3 May 2013 15: 46 New
    -32
    Yes of course. When Ukrainians by Jewish methods want to get benefits both on the one hand and on the other, this is very bad.
    There is nothing for the Jews to tell us how to live.
    You better take something in your hands and do socially useful work, otherwise you can use our tongue to shake things up.
    Our country is developing in its own way, since 91, unlike YOU, the US has had no military conflict.
    Maybe the economy is not developing as fast as we would like, but this is OUR economy and we are developing it as it is for us and not for YOU.
    And if you can fuck something in Europe and ... if I am a Nazi face, then we will do it with great pleasure, despite your cries.
    1. zennon
      zennon 3 May 2013 15: 55 New
      +5
      Well, you scream this hour, and as for "there wasn’t a single military conflict," there will be ...
      1. Farik
        Farik 3 May 2013 16: 09 New
        +8
        Quote: zennon
        Well, you scream this hour, and as for "there wasn’t a single military conflict," there will be ...

        In Crimea, for example, "Western" comrades can easily arrange "Syria with Chechnya".
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 3 May 2013 17: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: Farik
          Quote: zennon
          Well, you scream this hour, and as for "there wasn’t a single military conflict," there will be ...

          In Crimea, for example, "Western" comrades can easily arrange "Syria with Chechnya".


          With the same success it is possible to organize a great Albania by the geyrope, and the Socialist Republic of Texas to America ... here, apparently, some kind of agreement works like bash on bash. Although some people with a striped face mock, however, as always.
        2. VADIMKRSK
          VADIMKRSK 3 May 2013 19: 09 New
          +1
          very accurate. Crimea island can be set on fire at any time. with outside help - add money to the fire ...
    2. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq 3 May 2013 16: 05 New
      +4
      Howls? Kama needs you tries, go to the geyropu!
    3. sichevik
      sichevik 3 May 2013 16: 14 New
      14
      For a royal.
      Your economy, respected incognito (you did not indicate your name), unfortunately does not develop in any way. I myself come from Zaporozhye. I have many relatives, acquaintances, colleagues, fellow students there. I communicate with them very often and tightly. I go there very often. And I know firsthand about the state of the economy and industry there.
      AUTOZAZ --- agonizes.
      Radio device - died a long time ago.
      Iskra is also more likely dead than alive.
      Plant number 77 is a corpse. But these were enterprises of national importance, all worked for the defense industry.
      Metallurgical enterprises are also in a fever - both Zaporizhstal and Dneprospetsstal
      More, Motor Sich works no less stable, but also not as we would like. To earn there 3500 UAH you need to work overtime and leave on Saturdays.
      So, that with the economy in one particular region of Ukraine (at one time one of the most economically developed) is very tight. It seems that in other regions it is not better.
      And the fact that you did not have military conflicts. So this is not the merit of politicians, but the mentality of Ukrainians. And God grant you that you would not have this. (Do not renounce prison and sum.)
      1. Seraph
        Seraph 3 May 2013 23: 54 New
        +1
        And what is the mentality of Ukrainians? Throughout the XNUMXth century, each other was beaten (Ruin) until the good one came and put things in order. Ukraine cannot live without Moscow and its organizing force
    4. SITH
      SITH 3 May 2013 16: 26 New
      +2
      Do not disgrace Ukraine behaving like a prostitute Greek ..
      1. sichevik
        sichevik 3 May 2013 16: 36 New
        +7
        You talking to me? If to me, then justify. How and how can I dishonor Ukraine, living in Russia for a very long time.
        And at the expense of prostitution, so this is your president VFJ mastak. Everything rushes and rushes, does not know under whom to lie. Himself engaged in prostitution and such as you are forcing ...
        1. SITH
          SITH 3 May 2013 17: 13 New
          +5
          NO this is not for you and not for Wasserman, I absolutely agree with him, but my com was an answer to the words roial and refer only to him, therefore I was not shy in the expressions
          1. sichevik
            sichevik 3 May 2013 17: 28 New
            +3
            Sith
            Sorry generously, just your comment was right after mine. And for some reason I took it in my address. I apologize again.
            Regards, Vlad.
          2. Grbear
            Grbear 3 May 2013 18: 03 New
            +2
            The sadness is that when the "fruit ripens" it will become unusable. It is one thing to help the wounded, another thing is to reanimate the corpse. Moreover, the unification will happen (it’s written in the family), but through the internal turmoil or, worse, through the blood. Every day, delays to the hand of the State Department. They understand that Russia will not refuse Ukraine, in any case, and the weaker it will turn to Russia, the better.

            “Halls” think, otherwise soon there will be nothing to crack.
      2. Rink
        Rink 3 May 2013 16: 43 New
        0
        Quote: SITH
        Do not disgrace Ukraine behaving like a prostitute Greek ..

        Interesting, and WHAT MORE can disgrace Ukraine ?!
        She, in my opinion, already does not even have a hint of such a feeling as shame, like the girls from the Kiev District.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 3 May 2013 17: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Skating rink
          Interesting, and WHAT MORE can disgrace Ukraine ?!


          Inappropriate behavior of Ukrainians.
        2. smile
          smile 3 May 2013 17: 51 New
          +4
          Rink
          No, there are enough normal people left there who spoil life such as this “piano” from above ...
          1. Rink
            Rink 3 May 2013 23: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: smile
            Rink
            No, there are enough normal people left there who spoil life such as this “piano” from above ...

            I'm not talking about people, but about state Ukraine.

            Personally, I, as a person living in Ukraine, am ashamed of my country, its miserable political thieves, its international image and everything else.

            I am ashamed.
            And they - it seems, absolutely not.
            1. smile
              smile 4 May 2013 06: 15 New
              +2
              Rink
              You live there, you have the right to harsh words ... sadly listen to you ... sad because, out of habit, I perceive Ukrainians as brothers (and I’m not going to give up this habit) ... when my brother has trouble ... what’s there to rejoice .... and you have trouble ... and this is our trouble too ...
    5. 11Goor11
      11Goor11 3 May 2013 16: 31 New
      12
      Have something in Europe?
      This is what the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement contains
      The priority of EU laws before the laws of Ukraine, that is, the complete subordination of Ukraine to EU control.
      WITHOUT appeal rights. Some duties without any rights.
      Who will have whom?
      Is this not enough? Here's another:
      Any enterprises that find that do not meet EU environmental requirements should be closed.
      Continue?
      All railway tracks should be redone to narrower - European. How much money do you need to throw away when remaking tracks? What countries do we have the main cargo turnover with? What will he become?
      All surplus resources must be sold to the EU at our domestic prices. So our oligarchs will raise them to EU level. And we are teeth on the shelf.
      There are a lot of such requirements aimed at the collapse of the economy, and the complete breakdown of all ties with the former republics. And not a single promise.
      So who here considers himself so “smart” that with this “treaty” he will have “cunning euro bureaucrats?”
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 16: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: roial
      Our country is developing in its own way, since 91

      Are you sure that it is developing, not degrading?
      Quote: roial
      And if you can fuck something in Europe and ...

      I'm afraid that Europe will have you, and not you Europe laughing
    7. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 3 May 2013 16: 54 New
      +8
      Quote: roial
      Our country is developing in its own way, since 91, unlike YOU, the US has had no military conflict.
      Maybe the economy is not developing as fast as we would like, but this is OUR economy and we are developing it as it is for us and not for YOU.

      As for the military conflicts, yes, but some citizens fought in gangs against Russia, and in the events of 08.08.08 they also left a mark. Well, as for the economy, you are developing, of course, but why slowly? Because production resources are based on what remains of USSR, here they’ll scribble the remains of this and P ...., turn off the engine, drain the water.
    8. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 3 May 2013 17: 34 New
      0
      Quote: roial
      You better take something in your hands and do socially useful work, otherwise you can use our tongue to shake things up.



      Opa laughing unfinished :)

      Dear friends, in fact, you wouldn’t let go of the place you are holding onto now, it will be so calmer for everyone.
    9. Prokop
      Prokop 3 May 2013 19: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: roial
      Our country is developing in its own way,

      It’s more appropriate to say: “Our country is being destroyed in its own way,”
      Quote: roial
      And if you can fuck something in Europe and ... if I am a Nazi face, then we will do it with great pleasure, despite your cries.

      With your primitive Muscovite you are going to find ... Europe? - Not funny, but rzhachno! Will you pan those priests to wipe (or already wipe)
      Quote: roial
      since 91, the US, unlike the EAC, has not had a single military conflict.

      You can’t even imagine how close the opportunity to get serious war in your own home is.
    10. old rocket man
      old rocket man 3 May 2013 19: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: roial
      US, unlike YOU, did not have a single military conflict.


      But in Chechnya and Georgia, the Galician "mov" sounded negative
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 3 May 2013 20: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: old rocket
        Quote: roial
        US, unlike YOU, did not have a single military conflict.


        But in Chechnya and Georgia, the Galician "mov" sounded negative

        minus is not clear, am I distorting the facts?
    11. aviamed90
      aviamed90 3 May 2013 23: 02 New
      +1
      roial

      Why are you all to blame: Russians, then Jews? Are Ukrainians victims?
  • erased
    erased 3 May 2013 15: 53 New
    +8
    An interesting listing of facts and a completely meaningful conclusion. But the Washington Regional Committee is unlikely to allow the outskirts to take at least a step towards rapprochement with Russia. Let's wait for the denouement.
    1. VADIMKRSK
      VADIMKRSK 3 May 2013 19: 18 New
      0
      You can’t wait. you need to somehow lay the straws. relatives nevertheless!
  • knn54
    knn54 3 May 2013 15: 59 New
    11
    1.vlad767Latvia has already joined the EU ...
    But Turkey and Norway do not. And the result is a prosperous economy.
    2. First of all, ordinary citizens of Ukraine will suffer from this ...
    And from the introduction of trips to foreign passports.
    3. The leaders of the EU and key EU countries have repeatedly warned: they will not make Ukraine a member of the EU under any circumstances, at least in the next half century.
    At any time, the Customs Union is ready to accept Ukraine as a full member.
    In 2017, FTA agreements can be signed with APEC (Organization of Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation.), And there also with other associations / countries of the region. In the future, a single common market of Eurasia will be created. Europe has exhausted itself, and China, India, Singapore are developing ...
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 3 May 2013 16: 00 New
    19
    So here. The article is not anti-Ukrainian, but pro-Russian. So is the Russian site. So if you do not like it, do not read, do not register. The site is patriotic, well, basically. And all anti Russian statements will more often receive a minus than a plus. And in general, if I scold the motherland, this does not mean that a citizen of any other country can scold my homeland. This is especially noted for Ukrainians and Israelis.

    Anatoly said correctly. The people of Ukraine are sorry, the government of Ukraine is bending, the country is saving Ukraine.
    1. Farik
      Farik 3 May 2013 16: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: Tatarus
      The people of Ukraine are sorry, the government of Ukraine is bending, the country is saving Ukraine.

      good good good
    2. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 3 May 2013 16: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Tatarus
      And in general, if I scold the motherland, this does not mean that a citizen of any other country can scold my homeland. This is especially noted for Ukrainians and Israelis.

      I would say that I criticize the homeland and not scold it. The nuance is significant, but the rest is true.
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 3 May 2013 16: 02 New
    +4
    The Ukrainian people scratch their breasts for too long, and cannot figure out what he wants anyway. They still want to become civilized Europeans and still get cheap gas. It’s necessary to help (fools) former brothers think and introduce visa regime and protect your market from dumping will be real help to the Ukrainian people. And if you continue to chew snot and feel sorry for the poor Ukrainians (which they did not ask for), then this troubled time will never end there.
    1. zennon
      zennon 3 May 2013 16: 20 New
      +7
      Yes, the trouble is that there is no single Ukrainian people! You look at their west and east-different positions on many issues. And if there is no unity, then how to choose a single development strategy?
    2. MG42
      MG42 3 May 2013 16: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: uzer 13
      . And the desire to become civilized Europeans, and gas is still cheap to receive.

      Ukraine receives Russian gas at a price of $ 426 \ thousand cube m. = this is the average European price, about the <cheap gas>, we can talk when it comes to Belarus.
      Quote: uzer 13
      introduce a visa regime and protect your market from dumping, this will be real help to the Ukrainian people.

      If you have any biased notions of assistance, countries will not come closer with such methods. On the contrary, the local authorities will argue = it is Russia to blame for introducing duties, raising the price, etc.
      Ukr. nationalists will be glad your recommendations.
      1. VADIMKRSK
        VADIMKRSK 3 May 2013 19: 37 New
        +1
        That's for sure. They are the worse relations with Russia - the more relaxed ... How to get a Siberian visa to Moscow? Half of the Siberian population have Ukrainian roots. Both of my homies. You can see the phone book ...
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 4 May 2013 00: 50 New
        0
        Quote: MG42
        biased notions of help, countries will not come closer with such methods.


        Take a look a few years ago.
        They gave help and warned, we will not give soon.
        1. MG42
          MG42 4 May 2013 01: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Take a look a few years ago.

          Do you mean cheap gas at $ 50 / thousand cubic meters? >>> so long ago it was. They wanted to put an intermediary between NAC and Gazprom = well, it began ... As a result, the price now, after all the increases of 426 thousand cubic meters, is too big, however, considering the transport shoulder is much less than before Europe. For what they fought = for the independence of Russia = our ranks ran into it. authorities, although now they pay Gazprom on time, the public debt is growing in this way.
    3. DmitriRazumov
      DmitriRazumov 3 May 2013 16: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: uzer 13
      It is necessary to help (fools) the former brothers to think correctly, introduce a visa regime and protect their market from dumping, this will be real help to the Ukrainian people.


      Unfortunately, it is hardly possible to make happy one who himself does not want to do this decisively. Already it was all in the history of Ukraine and Russia. And the territories were given to them and their national idea was supported and industry was built, but turned out to be invaders.
    4. uzer 13
      uzer 13 3 May 2013 17: 33 New
      +2
      Thanks for the comments. I’m not the enemy of the Ukrainian people myself. But if the monuments to Bandera are erected there, then the existing regime does not need to count on my loyalty.
      1. MG42
        MG42 3 May 2013 17: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: uzer 13
        But if the monuments to Bandera are erected there, then the existing regime does not need to count on my loyalty.

        Monuments to Bandera in Ukraine have recently been destroyed by fighters of the invisible front, everything is flowing; everything is changing; stay tuned for the news.
        As for the current regime, yes I agree = twice convicted Ukrainian. the president is a felon, one still needs to look for someone else who was in the world. Is that Nelson Madela in South Africa, so he is a political prisoner, not a criminal.
        By the way, they write a lot of interesting things about our guarantor >> his father, the policeman was in the Second World War, and his grandfather is a White Guard.
        http://goldnike-777.blogspot.com/2012/07/7.html
        1. MG42
          MG42 3 May 2013 18: 40 New
          +4
          Here, by the way, along with archival documents in more detail about the "dark spots" of the biography of the father of Yanuk
          http://polizaisled.blogspot.com/
    5. VADIMKRSK
      VADIMKRSK 3 May 2013 19: 21 New
      +4
      There are no ex-brothers ...
  • Tartary
    Tartary 3 May 2013 16: 08 New
    +6
    Keep a link to the Ukrainian forum - http://ukrpolitforum.com/
    Leafed through - there are a lot of adequate and intelligent people, but there are enough Natsiks.
    Annatole is very, very worthy, there are few of them ... But what about a bachelor is nothing ... Who doesn’t happen?
    Says he made a vow by stupidity - he regrets, but he is not going to change anything - flint (!) ...

    This will not change itself, and therefore it will not let us down.

    Ukraine will soon be part of Russia or not at all.
    1. harrymur
      harrymur 3 May 2013 16: 53 New
      10
      I have a lot of Ukrainians in the team, normal guys, I ask them what the Russians are really afraid of in Ukraine, they say that those who stole and plundered their local townsmen and state oligarchs in 20 years are afraid, they are just afraid that the Russians will come they will take everything that has been acquired and make it work, and the bulk of hard workers are for joining Russia, but local "authorities" using the "accumulated" resource and lack of information, stupidly troll in support of Galicia, hoping to leave everything as it is, who managed to steal, he and the tsar mountains, in short horror
      1. Kars
        Kars 3 May 2013 17: 05 New
        -5
        Quote: harrimur
        20 years of their small-town and state oligarchs, they are just afraid that the Russians will come to take everything they’ve acquired

        they just take it away --- no one will force anyone to work - is it socialism and lack of corruption in Russia? Or did Russians from the Forbes list earn their billions by honest labor.
        It will become much worse - that's for sure.

        And here's what I’m interested in - if Ukraine enters the CU and it breaks down - no one will tell you that ho - chills have eaten everyone))) and the fact that I don’t have victorious reports from Belarus and Kazakhstan - that the GDP has doubled? or at least a growth rate? prices fall - wages rise?
        1. harrymur
          harrymur 3 May 2013 17: 21 New
          +5
          I agree with your statement that in Russia everything is not as smooth and sweet as we would like, sometimes I myself enjoy listening to the Marseillaise and the Warsaw woman)), I think that's why no one is picking who is right here and who is to blame if the garbage in the kitchen )),
          but even so, I can’t resist the assertion that everyone was tired of this touching attitude to “Kievan Rus”, as to an untouchable preserve of post-Soviet development, where the mind of a simple people feeds on the filth of ethnic hatred, I'd rather listen to the Warsaw again
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 17: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: Kars
          It will become much worse - that's for sure.

          Yeah right away, it’s immediately obvious that you have confidence in the Ukrainian authorities and Yatsenyuk’s declarations and the like laughing
          Quote: Kars
          And here's what I’m interested in - if Ukraine enters the CU and it falls apart

          State Department Dreams
          Quote: Kars
          and the fact that I don’t see victorious reports from Belarus and Kazakhstan - has the gdp doubled there?

          Immediately for a year, this is called, I want everything at once.
          Quote: Kars
          ? Or at least a growth rate? Prices fall - wages rise?

          Well, in Ukraine, anyway is better wink By the way, salaries are growing hi
          1. Kars
            Kars 3 May 2013 17: 41 New
            -2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yeah right away, it’s immediately obvious that you have confidence in the Ukrainian authorities and Yatsenyuk’s declarations and the like

            They have nothing to do with it, this is my personal opinion and the usual logic of capitalism.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            State Department Dreams

            what if? who is to blame?)))
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Immediately for a year, this is called, I want everything at once.

            Wasserman, what to do Yanyku until 2015)))
            The easiest and most reliable way would be to include Ukraine in the Customs Union. Then production growth will be so greatwhat can be done than shut up politicians who want to sell Ukraine to the European Union.


            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, in Ukraine, anyone is better by the way, and salaries are growing

            Well, Ukraine is not where it is in the TS - but this is not an answer, to my question.
            Quote: Kars
            I don’t see victorious reports from Belarus and Kazakhstan - has the GDP doubled there, or at least the growth rate? Prices are falling, salaries are rising?
            1. harrymur
              harrymur 3 May 2013 17: 54 New
              +3
              Quote: Kars
              I don’t see victorious reports from Belarus and Kazakhstan - has the GDP doubled there, or at least the growth rate? Prices are falling, salaries are rising?

              IMHO, as if the question of who made the most money for truly related countries and peoples is secondary, in the long-term historical perspective,
              for the current political leaders, first of all, if they are responsible for the future voters who have trusted them, to do everything in their power for rapprochement and complete mutual assimilation,
              An example where the economy is primary - the EU, and there everyone is sweet
              1. Kars
                Kars 3 May 2013 17: 59 New
                -1
                Quote: harrimur
                about who made more money for truly related countries

                If I am not mistaken, the TS is positioned as an economic organization.
                Quote: harrimur
                if they are responsible for the future to voters who have trusted them, to do everything in their power for rapprochement and complete mutual assimilation,

                Even if this leads to oil on coupons? Yes, and assimilation does not interest me so much in the RF so many non-Slovenian people, I don’t want something with them.
                Quote: harrimur
                An example where the economy is primary - the EU, and there everyone is sweet
                it’s not everyone’s sweet there, but those who work. For example, you can’t say that they are hardworking about the Greeks and Spaniards. But this is a distraction from the topic.
                But the rumors from Kazakhstan about a sharp increase in prices are alarming me personally.
                1. harrymur
                  harrymur 3 May 2013 18: 11 New
                  +2
                  well, what can I say, hi Ukraine is lively non-seasoned, do not harm the neighbors only wish
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 18: 16 New
                    +3
                    Quote: harrimur
                    only wish neighbors do not harm

                    And here difficulties arise laughing
                2. Geisenberg
                  Geisenberg 3 May 2013 18: 24 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Kars
                  If I am not mistaken, the TS is positioned as an economic organization.


                  I would say that the vehicle is currently a bunch of gouging. In any case, it is better than a homosexual cohort. Again, my opinion.

                  The EU, some very skillfully swinging and falling apart from the inside. This brazovy was created just in order to have one troubled Europe in exchange for a dozen more or less stable countries. For example, the UK is somehow not in the euro area, although God himself ordered it ...

                  The fact is that when the EU falls apart against its background, the USA will look very beautiful (white with sparkles, as in a joke).

                  As a result, a country that will join the EU right now will be used in the Sodomite way in the first place.

                  For all my dislike of Ukraine, I don’t want this country and its citizens.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 3 May 2013 18: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Kars

              They have nothing to do with it, this is my personal opinion and the usual logic of capitalism.

              Fortunately, your opinion is in the minority and capitalism has no logic except robbery.
              Quote: Kars
              what if? who is to blame?)

              no prerequisites, not one.
              Quote: Kars

              Well, Ukraine is not where it is in the TS - but this is not an answer, to my question.

              The economic flywheel is spinning up, the number of jobs is increasing. It will not be worse, simply because the benefits are obvious, which you persistently do not want to notice.
              1. Kars
                Kars 3 May 2013 18: 37 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Fortunately, your opinion is in the minority and capitalism has no logic except robbery

                On this site, it’s natural. It’s a pity that it is being turned into a politically biased garbage dump And is it really that Russia is building not capitalism but communism? At worst socialism with a human face.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                no prerequisites, not one.

                Well, hypothetically)))
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                It will not be worse, simply because the benefits are obvious that you persistently do not want to notice.

                And how strange it is, the benefits are obvious, greedy aligarchs rule Ukraine - and did not rush at all costs.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                The economic flywheel spins up, the number of jobs increases

                The only thing is that the state debt of the Russian Federation has been growing lately, as regards jobs - you know better, but there was an article about jobs and there was no consensus there.

                Quote: Geisenberg
                As a result, a country that will join the EU right now will be used in the Sodomite way in the first place.
                So we are not joining the EU, we are the Russian Federation according to version
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                will not give
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And here difficulties arise

                Look who's Talking
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 3 May 2013 16: 09 New
    +3
    "... a significant part of the members of this party - including almost its entire leadership - thinks not about the development of Ukraine, but about the profitable resale of Ukraine to those who can promise more." (A. Wasserman).

    It is sad that this thought has long been not a revelation, but a well-known fact.
    Yanek is not a politician, he is the head of a business project called "Ukraine".
    And, it seems, our brothers - Ukrainians, is this alignment in their power completely satisfied?
  • treskoed
    treskoed 3 May 2013 16: 10 New
    +5
    Even if Ukraine makes its globe, it will not become "independent". Nowadays, you need to decide who you are with. The choice is small - they don’t take in the EU, it remains - TS! But time passes, and the train can leave!
    1. Egoza
      3 May 2013 17: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: treskoed
      Even if Ukraine makes its globe,

      Why even? Has already. It enjoys wild success as a souvenir, and you will not find it right away! laughing
      Quote: treskoed
      But time passes, and the train can leave!

      And we will catch up on the trolley! fellow
  • olegom
    olegom 3 May 2013 16: 11 New
    -13
    We should abandon the nuclear-free status and not choose between the Tatar-Mongol yoke and the Khazar Khaganate. But they had not yet historically matured IMHO.
  • SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 3 May 2013 16: 20 New
    +4
    Damn what to argue ?! :) :) :) Anyway, all together we will become one country! Not today so tomorrow.
    1. Simon
      Simon 3 May 2013 22: 27 New
      0
      Of course we’ll become, only they will dive in, the rest of the economy will collapse and join us. yes
  • Patush
    Patush 3 May 2013 16: 41 New
    0
    He said everything correctly.
  • Ak 12
    Ak 12 3 May 2013 16: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: vlad767
    Latvia has already joined the EU, and our industry has ordered a long life. In particular, at the request of the EU, one of the largest sugar factories was closed. It is difficult to find work in the country, and young people go abroad. Do not repeat our mistakes ... You have nothing to do in the EU.

    But Ukraine will understand this only after it is completely drowned by unemployment and debt
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 3 May 2013 16: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Ak 12
      But Ukraine will understand this only after it is completely drowned by unemployment and debt


      And after that Ukrainians will trample to Europe for work by migrant workers, like Tajiks to Russia.
      1. MG42
        MG42 3 May 2013 17: 04 New
        +5
        Quote: ramzes1776
        And after that Ukrainians will trample to Europe to work as migrant workers

        In Europe, it’s a little tight with work now, look at statistics on Spain and Greece, the unemployment rate is breaking all records 26 - 27%
      2. old rocket man
        old rocket man 3 May 2013 19: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: ramzes1776
        And after that Ukrainians will trample to Europe to work as migrant workers, like Tajiks to Russia


        Well, yes, mostly Ukrainian laughing
    2. Gecko
      Gecko 3 May 2013 17: 34 New
      +5
      I’m curious now, those in power do not at all think that their people, if snapped, will tear a heating pad like an Acetic.
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  • Ak 12
    Ak 12 3 May 2013 16: 59 New
    +4
    And if you can fuck something in Europe and ...

    Do you really believe that you have anything in Europe? In addition to hemorrhoids, you will not find anything good there!
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 3 May 2013 17: 42 New
    +2
    Pressure on Ukraine is not worth it. The people of Ukraine have a choice. What they choose is what they get.
    The only thing I would like is that their choice would not lead us all to confrontation.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 3 May 2013 18: 44 New
      +2
      They already made a choice when they left Russia. Now reaping the benefits.

      And the term "Ukrainian people" must still be understood. You yourself know that besides Ukrainians there are many different people living there.
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 3 May 2013 17: 47 New
    +6
    As it is not fun.
    In the course of our misunderstandings, Finland wins.
    Industrial integration, trade for rubles, the study of the Russian language.
    We even sell armored personnel carriers together.
    Goodbye Ukraine?
    1. VADIMKRSK
      VADIMKRSK 3 May 2013 19: 58 New
      +3
      The Finns have everything in order and there are no offenses to the past, but there are economic interests. Friendship is more profitable. Especially with a neighbor, a close relative ...
      1. UFO
        UFO 3 May 2013 20: 32 New
        +2
        It’s true, Zema, it’s more interesting to be friends with the Finns, they have less urine in their head. wink
      2. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 4 May 2013 14: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: VADIMKRSK
        The Finns have everything in order and there are no offenses to the past, but there are economic interests. Friendship is more profitable. Especially with a neighbor, a close relative ...

        The Finnish economy has long been tied to the USSR - they ordered a lot of items, from clothing to ships.
        There were many joint ventures, even AvtoVAZ noted, there was a plant, right now they closed wink
        And there are already more “ours” than “theirs” laughing
        And they do not like Russia mainly those whose ancestors lived in the territory inherited by the Union after 1940. These yes, such "villains" still look. laughing
    2. UFO
      UFO 3 May 2013 20: 33 New
      0
      What kind of armored personnel carriers are we talking about? what
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 4 May 2013 21: 02 New
        0
        Finnish. I liked our melon.
        1. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 4 May 2013 23: 01 New
          0
          Nam-theirs "Patria", im-our "melon" wink Everything is fair laughing
          In the late 90s, he had a booze with a Finnish tank lieutenant. He praised Soviet (Russian) equipment very much. wink
  • Vtel
    Vtel 3 May 2013 18: 19 New
    -5
    Yes, Anatoly Wasserman is an intelligent Jew and sensibly wanders, it is a pity that he does not believe in God, otherwise the Lord would give him his wisdom. Russia will unite with its brothers - Ukrainians and Belarusians, when God's power reigns in our countries, which will reunite the Orthodox branches of one tree, but for now everywhere is raging Grand Liberal Bazaar, what-where-when-to-sell-resell
    1. Simon
      Simon 3 May 2013 22: 19 New
      +2
      Ukraine will then reunite with Russia and Belarus, when they will have a smart ruler who loves his people, and not overseas pieces of paper. But so far this is not and is not foreseeable in Ukraine.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 3 May 2013 18: 26 New
    +2
    National Ukrainian cunning in politics Ukraine will not bring to good ... An attempt to simultaneously "suck two queens": they can both push away ...
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 3 May 2013 18: 39 New
      +5
      What kind of cunning is it? With this state of the country? ... It is just right to order a requiem.
      Every year I go to eastern Ukraine and the Crimea - I see everything with my own eyes.
    2. Ventel
      Ventel 3 May 2013 21: 16 New
      -1
      Quote: PValery53
      National Ukrainian cunning in politics Ukraine will not bring to good ... An attempt to simultaneously "suck two queens": they can both push away ...

      And when Yulya Vrozysk send interpol. and then when she was imprisoned, Putin was indignant about what they called.
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 3 May 2013 22: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Ventel
        And when Yulya Vrozysk send interpol. and then when she was imprisoned, Putin was indignant about what they called.


        Outraged not by what they planted, but for what.
        If she had been imprisoned for theft and corruption, she would have pulled many paravozos along with her, including the current ones, and they would have put her for an agreement, whate criminalno fault.
        Julia should sit, but not for this.
        1. Ventel
          Ventel 3 May 2013 23: 21 New
          +1
          interesting girls dancing. It means inflicting economic damage on the state and not having criminal guilt.
          1. Egoza
            4 May 2013 08: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: Ventel
            it means inflicting economic damage on the state and not having criminal guilt.

            I clarify
            Azarov said Ukraine lost 15 billion euros due to Tymoshenko
            http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/Azarov-skazal-chto-Ukraina-poteryala-iz-za
            -Timoshenko-15-mlrd-evro.html
            This is for today ... and continues to lose.
        2. Egoza
          4 May 2013 07: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: old rocket
          put her for an agreement, in which there is no criminal guilt.

          So after all, she forged the contract and documents. That's why they planted it.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 3 May 2013 18: 54 New
    +7
    1.Geopolitical situation it is such that the States will jump out of their pants but will do everything possible to prevent the integration of Russia and Ukraine, whether it be a customs union or a union state of the 3 brotherly Slavic peoples. This was openly stated by the US Secretary of State. Amer is well aware that the revived Union is the end of all their dreams of world domination. Therefore, it is necessary to wisely and extremely carefully, without abrupt gestures, involve Ukraine in the sphere of its economic, political, and m-interests. There are levers: trade, joint projects, cultural exchange, clever propaganda, neutralization of zapadentsev, etc.
    2. Domestic Political Situation in Ukraine, 2 opposing groups formed: pro-Russian (eastern) and Galich (pro-Western). There are fewer Westerners, but they are poisonous, louder and more impudent. The normal layman is afraid of them. He is afraid of the Crimean Tatars, who are increasingly loudly claiming their rights to Crimea as their historical homeland. The issue of civil war and the division of the country into 2-3 states is seriously considered. In addition, the historical enemies of Hungary, Poland, Romania are not averse to returning their former lands. They are also for destabilizing the situation in the country. Civil war cannot be allowed. Though not good-looking, but brothers!
    3. V.F. Yanukovych for the sake of preserving the civil peace, he is trying to be good both yours and ours, but sitting on the 2-x chairs is slippery, difficult to balance, that’s where the heart rushes about in search of support. It would be a blunder to push him away. We need to find how to tie it to our chariot (see p. 1). The situation is aggravated by the fact that in the parliament the party of regions does not have a majority (210 / 490), therefore the necessary laws, without emasculating the essence of the amendments, cannot be passed through the Rada. Nationalist populists are loud, pugnacious, and in the media, which almost entirely belong to them, are aggressive. And Yanukovych wants another term to be president. To do this, you need to show that you are worthy to rule the country. The path is the growth of the well-being of citizens: a) through accession to the EU (NATO, etc. - zapadentsy); b) go to the vehicle (hereinafter the union state - the left bank).
    4. The EU will bury industry and agricultural countries, energy, which does not comply with EU environmental standards, and 48 million consumers will receive for the sale of their goods. Joining the CU on the contrary will give Ukraine traditional markets for its goods, development of industry and agriculture, troublesome new jobs and employment. Apparently they began to understand this in Kiev, but I want to bargain more. Our leadership also sees this, believes that the brothers have nowhere to go, so they show firmness.
    This is just a feeble attempt at analysis. Life will show where the brotherly country will go. I would like to watch the picture "The Return of the Prodigal Daughter". IMHO.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 4 May 2013 07: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: BoA KAA
      2 opposing groups formed: pro-Russian (eastern) and Galician (pro-Western)

      Yes, there is no pro-Russian group. Rather, the population has still not been able to consolidate; neither the party nor the economic elite have been created. Nothing is created that is characteristic of a grouping. They just sit and wait for it to end.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 3 May 2013 19: 21 New
    0
    Why in (in) Ukraine they do not regularly and systematically cleanse the scent of these very “zapadents” ?! - It is very useful, and, most importantly, does not interfere with part-time work.
  • wandlitz
    wandlitz 3 May 2013 19: 51 New
    +3
    [quote = Gecko] Gecko Today, 17: 22 ↑ New
    I personally boycott their sprats for their Russophobia [/ quo
    I also do not buy canned goods in the Baltic countries, but there are Kaliningrad ones.
  • tratata
    tratata 3 May 2013 20: 12 New
    -8
    With urcaine, you must introduce a visa regime at least.
    1. Canep
      Canep 3 May 2013 20: 15 New
      0
      It is necessary but not for everyone, but only for guest workers. But not with urkaina but with Ukraine.
      1. tratata
        tratata 3 May 2013 20: 17 New
        -9
        For all. Citizenship should not be given to them either.
        1. Canep
          Canep 3 May 2013 20: 22 New
          +2
          Do they write about this on American military sites, or their thoughts?
    2. MG42
      MG42 3 May 2013 20: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: tratata
      With urkaina, you must introduce a visa regime at least

      It’s for sure from Ukraine. The 4th talking head of cheese on the profile picture. wassat with urkaina someone suffered
      1. Canep
        Canep 3 May 2013 20: 25 New
        0
        The American KS-135 hit someone in the head with both a hull and kerosene. An apple from an apple tree ...
        1. tratata
          tratata 3 May 2013 20: 32 New
          -9
          Quote: Canep
          American KS-135 hit someone in the head

          Do you want a galleries? Well, you are this. Be treated.
          1. Canep
            Canep 3 May 2013 20: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: tratata
            You шtolе? Well you areа. Be treated.

            Oh, and with the Russian language, too, not everything is in order.
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        1. Canep
          Canep 3 May 2013 20: 29 New
          +1
          Take it as a compliment. Others in expression are less shy.
        2. MG42
          MG42 3 May 2013 21: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: tratata
          Oh how.

          Yes, where so, as in this picture, in general, from this opera
      3. Ventel
        Ventel 3 May 2013 21: 02 New
        -11
        Have you thought about the Russian military personnel located on the territory of UKRAINE.
        1. tratata
          tratata 3 May 2013 21: 05 New
          +3
          Sevastopol de jure is not part of Ukraine, in fact it is occupied by it.
          1. Holt
            Holt 3 May 2013 21: 27 New
            -2
            Crimean Tatars?
          2. Ventel
            Ventel 3 May 2013 21: 33 New
            -3
            This is your opinion Poland, the Baltic states, de jure, are not part of Europe. In fact, it is being occupied.
        2. Ventel
          Ventel 3 May 2013 22: 07 New
          -9
          I was bombarded here. I think those hto saw a threat. this is not true. I will explain the conduct of Russian visas to Ukraine will automatically be done in Ukraine in relation to the Russian military.
          1. Ventel
            Ventel 4 May 2013 10: 20 New
            0
            as I understand it, they minus me but said the truth. Well, if hto does not understand, I can explain. You thought gentlemen what will happen when they lead a visa regime. the officers of the Russian Black Sea Fleet officers have Russian passports. and what they will do is go to the consulate and renew their visas.
  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 3 May 2013 20: 57 New
    +3
    There is no independent Ukraine long ago. In Ukraine, there are independent economic clans that are bickering among themselves, and people are thrown into a social dump. The army, as “a part of the state’s armed forces intended for large-scale military (combat) operations, against an external adversary”, does not exist in fact - there is a collection of undergrowths in the amount equal to the personnel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (!), With hopelessly outdated overall and weight mock-ups of military equipment and weapons of the USSR. That is what Ukraine is today.
    Ukrainians themselves must create and implement democratic standards in their efforts and work, and not with the help of a warder from Brussels or Washington. In addition, all the principles of a real high-quality judicial system and the rule of law are already written down in the Constitution of Ukraine, but the Constitution is not implemented, they steal, the principles of the rule of law do not work, and the judicial system does not understand what it is all about when they talk about its independence. And if the Basic Law does not work in the country, then all the additional treaties adopted under the leadership of the Europeans will not change anything.
    And Ukraine needs to make a decision on economic integration, taking into account the exceptional economic benefits that Ukraine will receive from its participation in the CU, and not against the hysterical spells of the opposition convincing itself of Europeanization for money grants that they receive from non-governmental funds of European and p-Indian oligarchs and corporations.
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 3 May 2013 21: 02 New
    +3
    Ukraine, of course, is the sister of Russia, but it must be remembered that, by the way, according to the Ukrainian proverb, the sister is loved rich and healthy, which Ukraine is clearly lacking.
    And if poverty can be forgiven, then no one needs a sick, let alone squabble sister. request
  • Holt
    Holt 3 May 2013 21: 26 New
    -10
    How much anger towards Ukraine. It is because of this attitude that we Russians do not like in Ukraine. And this is a very smart Anatoly Wasserman, who knows everything, knows everything, is not able to master the primitive dialect of the Russian language (as he calls Ukrainian). And in the center of Lviv, Russian language is heard every day, often with a Moscow accent, there are a lot of tourists, both in winter and in summer. I understand that everything does not come down to love, I do not like. But you need to come to terms and understand this `` Anatoly Wasserman '' that Ukraine is and will be. But what kind (friendly or hostile), it depends on your attitude and on your comments.
  • a jacket
    a jacket 3 May 2013 21: 27 New
    +3
    Now there is such a situation that even such a generally worthless person like Yanukovych can become almost a great historical character overnight. One only has to show one’s will, forget about the momentary selfish interests and single-handedly lead the earliest possible rapprochement with Russia and not abandon the chosen course, no matter what events this is accompanied by (enlisting the support of Russia, naturally). Interestingly, did anyone tell him about this? After all, he would then almost certainly remain in politics for a long time (with all the consequences), and he would be forever registered in history textbooks. Indeed, in other cases, he is guaranteed to repeat the path of Julia, and even worse.
    1. Ventel
      Ventel 3 May 2013 21: 53 New
      -7
      Quote: jacket
      Now there is such a situation that even such a generally worthless person like Yanukovych can become almost a great historical character overnight. One only has to show one’s will, forget about the momentary selfish interests and single-handedly lead the earliest possible rapprochement with Russia and not abandon the chosen course, no matter what events this is accompanied by (enlisting the support of Russia, naturally). Interestingly, did anyone tell him about this? After all, he would then almost certainly remain in politics for a long time (with all the consequences), and he would be forever registered in history textbooks. Indeed, in other cases, he is guaranteed to repeat the path of Julia, and even worse.

      in a polytechnic when a politician throws a policy of trust will not exist. Remember 2004. then PUTIN left YANUKOVICH for Gazprom and EUROPE.
  • gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 3 May 2013 21: 30 New
    -5
    The worthless of Wasserman the prophet. He himself admits: three years ago he thought so, now that way. Simply put, a marketmaker. Well, and besides, who else but the Jews will teach Russians and Ukrainians to love each other.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 3 May 2013 22: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: gladiatorakz
      The worthless of Wasserman the prophet. He himself admits: three years ago he thought so, now that way. Simply put, a marketmaker. Well, and besides, who else but the Jews will teach Russians and Ukrainians to love each other.

      May He not teach Onotole to love one another. And as regards the conjuncturers, once the whole USSR was gaping and listening to Gorbachev, life adjusts its views.
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 4 May 2013 10: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Pushkar
        And as regards the conjuncturers, once the whole USSR was gaping and listening to Gorbachev, life adjusts its views.

        Views are one thing, but forecasts and advice on certain actions are completely different. There should be some responsibility for advice and forecasts. At least moral. This is hardly characteristic of Jews. I won’t be surprised if in Ukraine he will advise being tougher with Russia.
        I wonder how many people assent to him. Where are you Russian Minins, Ermolovs, Razins? Will Wasserman raise national identity now?
    2. SergBrNord
      SergBrNord 4 May 2013 10: 19 New
      0
      Quote: gladiatorakz
      He himself admits: three years ago I thought so

      You know, a thinking person has the property of changing his mind. This is due to acquired knowledge ..
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 4 May 2013 11: 17 New
        0
        Quote: SergBrNord
        You know, a thinking person has the property of changing his mind. This is due to acquired knowledge ..

        This is absolutely correct. Only from Wasserman, many here make the greatest thinker, hyper analyst, prophet and sage, whose word is unshakable and beyond doubt. And then where are these thinking people? Most without analyzing anything on their own immediately shout: Approved, s.
  • uizik
    uizik 3 May 2013 21: 56 New
    +3
    Holtu: Do you demand respect for yourself? Why? From which boudun? All media shout about the benefits of European integration, rapport how many and how they held events on this subject. For more than 20 years, the consciousness of the country's inhabitants has been poisoned by hatred of Russia and Russians. This is what I see every day. Remember the 90s, when zapadentsy and hedgehog with them shouted that Ukraine without Russia would be the most advanced in Europe and the world. Where is all this? Is Russia to blame? Themselves brought their indifference and redneck. The whole history of the country continuous betrayal and slavery. Have you been to Europe? Go ahead. Forgot who were there? They will remind! About Jews. Among the politicians of Ukraine there are 80% of them.
    1. a jacket
      a jacket 3 May 2013 22: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: uizik
      Remember the 90s, when zapadentsy and hedgehog with them shouted that Ukraine without Russia would be the most advanced in Europe and the world.

      Not only zapadentsy. All Ukraine was sure of this. And not only Ukraine. After the collapse of the USSR, I was sure that Ukraine would quickly become an industrial giant, because He knew the possibilities of local industry well. Why this did not happen is still a mystery to me for God. After all, everything was. Then someone said that this is our industry, as we want, and develop. It immediately becomes clear that he did not find the USSR. Horror that they developed.
      1. Ventel
        Ventel 3 May 2013 23: 43 New
        -6
        I read a lot here and it all boils down to one. RUSSIA built everything taught everyone and we lay on the grass like that. look usob all uvs that everything is safe.
      2. Egoza
        4 May 2013 07: 49 New
        +2
        example zaporozhstal
        Quote: jacket
        Horror that they developed.
        1. a jacket
          a jacket 6 May 2013 22: 33 New
          0
          I did not see on time. I'm crying damn it.
    2. Holt
      Holt 4 May 2013 00: 04 New
      -6
      And each for himself. If you do not respect yourself, no one will respect. Who were in Europe we remember. We don’t want to be hahly and Little Russians and speak the Russian dialect. There will be no respect for neighbors - there will be no friendship and do not ask why they do not like someone somewhere.
  • Simon
    Simon 3 May 2013 22: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Quote: honest Jew
    After all, a clever Jew!

    Who is arguing? Even the Jews boast that they did the butch of 2017, they credit it to themselves. Wow, what are we smart, conducted an experiment on the Russian Empire.
    Russia is crushing Ukraine in every possible way, and then they are surprised that something wrong is happening in Ukraine. And the reverse reaction occurs, all according to Newton’s third law.

    And what, the Jew is telling the truth, you, with your independence, no longer know what to do, so you are drowning in the middle of the river, not knowing which bank to join. Europe will never let you sail, the economy will not rebuild yours, they need markets, and Russia has always raised the outskirts. fool
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 3 May 2013 22: 11 New
    -3
    They, the Jews, conspired to see clearly: at first Pozner called the rotor, then Urgant stalked caustically, now Wasserman drives the number. Says of course true and accurate. It looks like a patriot ... Plus set. (In the form of a Maltese cross)))
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 3 May 2013 22: 46 New
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      Nationalism and anti-Semitism does not fit in with the Russian flag near your nickname, dear!
      You have to be more tolerant! Not all Russians were born.
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 4 May 2013 10: 54 New
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        Quote: aviamed90
        You have to be more tolerant!

        Yeah, here you will develop tolerance in Russia (although where is it even more?) And another liquid will advise how to deal with nationalistic Ukraine.
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        shpuntik
        shpuntik 5 May 2013 16: 47 New
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        aviamed90 May 3, 2013 22:46 p.m. ↑
        Nationalism and anti-Semitism does not fit in with the Russian flag near your nickname ...

        Where did you see anti-Semitism?
        You have to be more tolerant!

        Tolerate, I'll ask you. And then, too, when Vasily Ivanovich Sidorov did with the Israeli Prime Minister, the same as Yakov Yurovsky and his gang did with the Russian Tsar: they were tortured to death with minor children. Then remember the tolerance please.
        Not all Russians were born.

        Listen, dear, that everyone in Israel lives? Talk about Ukraine.
        If a Ukrainian, Klitschko, for example, says in Israel that most commissars were Jews and crushed the inhabitants of the Ukrainian village like carrots, then how is that? Probably yes? That in Russia, Urgantu gets away with it, this is not anti-Ukrainianism, not Russophobia!
        And the last one. Do you think that the F-16 on your nickname corresponds to the Soviet flag ??!
        And give up the habit of plugging the mouth of the interlocutor, you have no such right. Good luck. Save me, God.
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  • krpmlws
    krpmlws 3 May 2013 22: 14 New
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    Jews are on their own minds. Jews have taken part in the transfer of materials on the atomic bomb. Some are still pursuing a similar policy: eliminating unipolarity in the world. We are lucky that such intelligent people as Wasserman are on our side.
  • aviamed90
    aviamed90 3 May 2013 22: 43 New
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    "Russia's policy towards Ukraine should be much tougher"

    As the saying goes: you are my friend, but truth is more precious!
  • Shturmovik
    Shturmovik 3 May 2013 22: 50 New
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    I read the article and read all the comments and I am surprised by the people here to discuss the Jews and their significance in the history of Russia (although their role is very important) we are all here to discuss the article! And who wrote it is not so important, it is important that a person put our thoughts on the shelves and provided us with the opportunity to comprehend and discuss! Increasingly, on the site I notice that there is only one article and the discussion is to find out how the Jews (Ukrainians .........) are to blame, etc. let's talk about what's important and not watering each other.
  • AntonR7
    AntonR7 3 May 2013 22: 55 New
    +1
    I like Wasserman as a person and thinker, a correct look at Russian and Little Russians. We need to be together.
    1. Holt
      Holt 3 May 2013 23: 43 New
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      Little Russians - are those with whom you want to conclude a vehicle, call brothers and want to be together? Do these MALOROSS want this?
  • cth1949
    cth1949 3 May 2013 23: 47 New
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    Unfortunately, dear Anatoly Aleksandrovich, as a true Odessa citizen, not everyone speaks. The policy of "Yanukovych and" Galitsaev "will lead to disintegration along the Dnieper, and he himself will flee to the" Galitsa ".
  • Seraph
    Seraph 4 May 2013 00: 43 New
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    Wasserman sensibly justified everything. Do not want to - believe it.
    The fact that the current Lafa with a peaceful sky and minor economic problems will not last forever is rather true than not true. So there will be shocks. And here fraternal Ukraine will be much better off with a tough (even cruel) Moscow than with a many-sided Europe. It just so happened that Moscow is able to mobilize in difficult historical moments, without ceremonies and syusyukaniya, and achieve victory. Without the surrender of cities with an orchestra and keys on a silver platter, without civilized negotiations and compromises with cannibals and ghouls, without ceremonies with their editors, in general, without all "universal" quirks. We have learned to stand our ground and take our own in hundreds of years of wars and millions of victims. We know how to fight. Therefore, they are afraid of us, and with their trousers weaned about the "Tatar-Mongol hordes" and the "Khazars." And we quietly and without unnecessary PR take theirs from Paris and Berlin.
    And Ukraine, in order to survive, will have to stop its beloved game of independence again, put on a work or military uniform and cheerfully build a new Empire with a single family of fraternal peoples.
    Well, or another option: to alternate the service of the Polish pans with captivity among the Turks and the service of the Moscow Tsar in the manner of Bogdan Mikhailovich, and then anyway, join the slender ranks of the builders of a bright imperial future
    1. Holt
      Holt 4 May 2013 12: 26 New
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      Seraphim: The fraternal family in shackles? And they are afraid of the gopniks in the dark alleys.
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  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 4 May 2013 01: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Still the Jews boast that they did the 2017 butch,

    I still apologize, it seemed like last night was 2013 ... didn’t really sleep for so long. Or are you talking about 2017 before Christmas? But then there was no Russian Empire ...