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Troop pilot first made a test flight on the PAK FA

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The plane took off from the airfield of the Flight Research Institute. MM Gromov in Zhukovsky near Moscow. Within two hours, the systems and equipment were tested according to the flight test program. The flight was successful, in full accordance with the flight task.


Currently, four aircraft participate in flight tests. Two more machines are involved in the ground-based experimental work - one is a complex ground stand, the other is undergoing static tests. In the second half of 2013, the fifth PAK FA will be connected to the flight test program, the assembly of which is being completed at the Komsomol branch of the Sukhoi company - KnAAZ them. Y.A. Gagarin.
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  1. Bykov.
    Bykov. April 26 2013 09: 37
    62
    In, bon voyage ... or rather, on a long flight !!!
    1. patline
      patline April 26 2013 09: 38
      30
      T-50 is the best
      1. TUMAN
        TUMAN April 26 2013 11: 13
        +7
        Quote: patline
        T-50 is the best

        Yeah, and immediately sell to China, in the wake of the su-35.
        1. Retx
          Retx April 26 2013 11: 22
          31
          Oh, do not dramatize, they sell to the Chinese what we already have to replace with the best. Su 35, even with its powerful R&D, is unlikely to create a 100% copy.
          1. TUMAN
            TUMAN April 26 2013 11: 26
            15
            Quote: RETX
            Oh, do not dramatize, they sell to the Chinese what we already have to replace with the best. Su 35, even with its powerful R&D, is unlikely to create a 100% copy.

            It's time to replace! Will it be replaced? And they don’t need 100% - I’m a copy, 95% is enough for them!
            1. Retx
              Retx April 26 2013 11: 45
              +8
              They just won’t copy the engines - this is their main trouble, but in the end, consider both heaven and earth. But the Chinese are so good in that they do not drain to the west those received from us.
              1. TUMAN
                TUMAN April 26 2013 13: 36
                +4
                Quote: RETX
                But the Chinese are so good in that they do not drain to the west those received from us.

                Ah, what a good Chinese! You yourself are not funny?
                1. Retx
                  Retx April 26 2013 19: 15
                  20
                  No, there is nothing to laugh at. Every nation, nation has certain characteristics on the basis of which relations are built. If a skillfully conduct politics and properly build relations with the Chinese, then we will get a friend. Imperial state policy, nothing fantastic.
                  NATO means quietly exists since 49 years, a bunch of countries, different peoples, and all this is a huge military power that can do whatever it wants, at any time and anywhere in the world. And as soon as it comes to Russia, then no, it is impossible, we are the strongest and most powerful, we will defeat everyone, only now (let's think realistically, I know the truth is offensive) recently a large number of all countries are bugs, we are threatened, diplomats can beat, arrest our citizens, set the conditions as equal, or even too arrogant, and we just shake our fist. During the existence of the Russian Federation, only Syria has at least some kind of demonstration of the actions of our Foreign Ministry in the political arena. And then mind you, who supports us? PRC. Why can't we be allies? Put things in order, help each other and eventually organize some kind of "Pan-Asian Coalition", and return order in the world political arena.
                  The only argument of the opponents is their billion, they will capture us. The 1991 massacre throughout the Caucasus, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - purely on paper, they forgot about the existence of the Air Force - the planes are chasing, the Navy is going for color, and the Strategic Missile Forces are being disarmed according to strategic offensive arms. In the Far East, the gate is open come in whoever wants, take what you like. But there are no millions of Chinese. Strange, huh? It was the most real moment, a chance given by God to run into infantry and squeeze out the whole of Eastern Siberia and Raseyushka, and then they would pour vodka to Boriske and issue the documents. And now this is some kind of obsessive national idea to wait for the Chinese raid. Where is the logic?
                  1. TUMAN
                    TUMAN April 26 2013 19: 36
                    -7
                    Quote: RETX
                    No, there is nothing to laugh at.

                    Your writings, contrary to your writings above. Decide finally.
                    1. Retx
                      Retx April 28 2013 10: 46
                      0
                      Why? We sell them so that they do not lag behind. We don’t give back something - it’s too early. That's all.
              2. Maximus
                Maximus April 26 2013 15: 54
                0
                Copy but later, the Chinese learn quickly.
              3. zvereok
                zvereok April 27 2013 19: 18
                0
                And suddenly trouble will cease to be trouble. They, too, are not husking seeds on the filling, but are working on technology.
            2. Kolya
              Kolya April 27 2013 08: 19
              +1
              95% of copies of the SU-35, 20 thousand pieces set up for example! Imagine what a force! And how much will we build the T-50?
              1. Nick
                Nick April 27 2013 11: 38
                0
                Quote: Kohl
                And how much will we build the T-50?

                The namesake, as far as I know, Canada does not build 5th generation aircraft. wink
              2. Retx
                Retx April 28 2013 10: 48
                +1
                And what is not a million? wink Well, if they have propellers, then yes laughing Creating a modern airplane is not about assembling an iPhone on a conveyor belt.
          2. evgenii67
            evgenii67 April 26 2013 19: 36
            +5
            Hello everyone!
            Quote: RETX
            Oh, do not dramatize, they sell to the Chinese what we already have to replace with the best. Su 35, even with its powerful R&D, is unlikely to create a 100% copy.

            Oh how! Tell me how much we pushed the Su-30MKK to them, and how many planes we have in the Su-30 line, just don’t need to say or write that Russia needs the Su-30.
          3. APASUS
            APASUS April 26 2013 20: 02
            +2
            Quote: RETX
            Su 35, even with its powerful R&D, is unlikely to create a 100% copy

            What they can’t do is buy from us!
            Take the same engines!
          4. hermes
            hermes April 27 2013 14: 36
            -8
            Damn, who are you ????? )))))) copied the Yak-130 from the Italians)) m-346 master
            1. Nick
              Nick April 27 2013 18: 09
              +2
              Quote: hermes
              Damn, who are you ????? )))))) copied the Yak-130 from the Italians)) m-346 master

              Yes, you are either off topic or just lying. The Yak-130 was developed by Yakovlev Design Bureau, at one of the stages, the Italians connected to the UBS project, and, first of all, by financing the project. So, the Yak-130 / m-346 master is a joint development, but design, technical and scientific support, primarily Russian.
        2. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 27 2013 12: 52
          0
          Quote: TUMAN
          Quote: patline
          T-50 is the best

          Yeah, and immediately sell to China, in the wake of the su-35.


          Che trifle then? Immediately give 314ndosam.
    2. Romn
      Romn April 26 2013 09: 59
      21
      Test flights have already begun, it is very pleasing! The plane has not yet entered service, and I already have pride in it! Good luck with this project. smile
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco April 26 2013 12: 06
        18
        By the way, this aircraft received a positive assessment from the Australians last fall, which caused a storm of indignation from their allies.
        According to Air Power Australia analyst Dr. Carlo Kopp, the first Russian stealth aircraft is less secretive than the American F-22, and is about the same size as the much smaller F-35. However, in some other aspects, the Sukhoi Design Bureau's T-50 outperforms American models.

        This scandalous conclusion for Western experts is based on a scientific analysis of the effective scattering surface of radar waves (EPR), which ended last week. Carlo Kopp notes that the EPR of the T-50 is similar to that of the F-22 and F-35. However, this assessment is given with some reservations. So, the specialists of "Sukhoi", in order to bring the EPR of the T-50 to the level of the F-35, will have to make a number of changes to the design of their aircraft. First of all, it is necessary to reduce the radar signature of the engines and cover the aircraft with radio-absorbing material.


        If these tasks can be solved, then the Russian stealth will fully meet all modern requirements for low visibility in frontal projection. In other words, the approach of a new stealth from Sukhoi will be very difficult to detect with most modern radars.

        According to Kopp, the lag behind the Americans in terms of development can be offset by the impressive combat effectiveness of the T-50, because in some respects the Russian aircraft even surpasses the praised F-22.

        First of all, the expert notes the high thrust-to-weight ratio and maneuverability provided by perfect aerodynamics, a variable thrust vector, and an integrated modern digital flight control system. The second significant advantage is the extremely large fuel supply of 25000 kg. Thus, the T-50 will continue to fly and fight for a long time after the tanks are empty on the F-22 and F-35.

        In addition, the T-50 has an advantage over modern American radars and slightly less than the new Chinese, specially designed to detect American stealth. US Navy E-2 and F-22 and F-35 radars against T-50s will have average efficiency.


        Source: "CNews.ru".
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 26 2013 12: 15
          +5
          It’s not worth it to be so naive to believe that this is nothing more than a course of Amer’s military firms to knock out uncle Sam’s money (scaring the Russians)
        2. patsantre
          patsantre April 26 2013 16: 28
          +4
          Quote: Sirocco
          The second significant advantage is the extremely large fuel supply of 25000 kg.


          And what, this nonsense did not seem to anyone?)
          1. sergei
            sergei April 26 2013 23: 12
            -1
            that crazy, in TU22m3 almost 70000
            1. patsantre
              patsantre April 27 2013 11: 19
              0
              Think what you're talking about.
          2. Sirocco
            Sirocco April 27 2013 17: 01
            0
            Quote: patsantre
            And what, this nonsense did not seem to anyone?)

            And the fact that this is an oopyatka laughing didn’t it seem to anyone? We are the same here not brilliant spelling. Well, in general, the meaning, I think, is understandable.
        3. Backbone
          Backbone April 26 2013 16: 32
          0
          Nice to read such comments. drinks
        4. VAF
          VAF April 26 2013 16: 47
          +9
          [quote = Sirocco] cover the aircraft with radar absorbing material. [/ quote /]

          Probably all the same edges, not a plane? wink

          After all, in order to "reduce" the RCS it is necessary to "cover" with a thickness corresponding to the wavelength of the irradiating radar range, now present the total surface area of ​​the aircraft and multiply by the RPM volume - for cm, dm and meter wavelengths lol

          And where with such weight will fly, if at all your plane will fly? wink
          1. queen
            queen April 26 2013 19: 50
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            After all, in order to "reduce" the RCS it is necessary to "cover"

            Good Sergey to you. So our honestly say inconspicuous, these same overseas are all not visible drinks
      2. VAF
        VAF April 26 2013 12: 11
        +8
        Quote: Romn
        Test flights have already begun


        What does it mean have already begun? belay

        Test flights have been going on for a long time, the next stages of LCI are going through!
        1. Jin
          Jin April 26 2013 12: 20
          +6
          What a handsome man! Complete antipode of the ugly American "competitors". Just heaven (For T-50) and earth (For Raptor and Lightning) ... good
          1. Skuto
            Skuto April 26 2013 12: 41
            15
            This is the flawed thinking of many "patriots". Our plane, to my great regret, is still a "test" one, they ceased to be such by the end of 2000. Let's have two full-fledged squadrons, at least, without the "head cover" ... Then we will already say something.
            And the news is good)))
            1. Jin
              Jin April 26 2013 12: 53
              +2
              Quote: Skuto
              This is the flawed thinking of many "patriots". Our plane, to my great regret, is still a "test" plane, they ceased to be such by the end of 2000


              You are more careful about inferiority, colleague. Do you think I don't know this? I'm actually talking about how "our" and "them" look ... Yes, they fly ... but how? Smut for smut and billions of expenses ... Without eliminating serious shortcomings, we have already spanked a whole bunch of Raptors and these Lightnings! Now what ??? Redoing is always worse than doing right away! It is because of this, including of course, that they "poor" now have to cut their budget! Oh well...
              1. 755962
                755962 April 26 2013 14: 05
                +6
                Emphasis is placed on the fact that tests have already been carried out military pilot, not a test pilot. Personally, I understand ... Or did not understand ...!?
                1. Jin
                  Jin April 26 2013 15: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: 755962
                  The emphasis is placed on the fact that the tests were conducted by a military pilot, not a test pilot. Personally, I understand ... Or did not understand ...!?


                  It seems like that colleague, judging by the title, but if by the text of the article, then it is generally not clear ... how it says: "the plane rose" He probably took it and got up ... Therefore, I personally appreciated the photo, well, then, that things are still going on.
                  1. 755962
                    755962 April 26 2013 15: 27
                    +1
                    I support ... Many articles can simply mislead a common man in the street. And then bewildered exclamations about the "transparency" of the material. They would say that the tests are taking place in a regular mode ... without "jambs", etc., etc., and then on the soul calmer.
                    1. Jin
                      Jin April 26 2013 15: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: 755962
                      I support ... Many articles can simply mislead a common man in the street. And then bewildered exclamations about the "transparency" of the material. They would say that the tests are taking place in a regular mode ... without "jambs", etc., etc., and then on the soul calmer.


                      yeah, otherwise I read the title and let's be happy! And then such a bummer ... I also thought, well, it can't be what they would have experienced in the troops ... And on the subject of the article, it turns out that they gave a "try" to an "army pilot". blessing vaf explained everything.
                2. VAF
                  VAF April 26 2013 15: 25
                  +8
                  Quote: 755962
                  Personally, I understand ... Or did not understand ...!?


                  Hi Zhenya! You just didn't understand! After all, these are "our" aviation media "! crying drinks

                  Everything is like according to Zadornov - ".. how to write Iraq or Iran correctly"? wassat

                  and the media that a military pilot, that a "military" belay pilot. that military test pilot .. all on the drum!

                  Well, what to do, what a Tsar, such "heralds"!

                  It is necessary to "blur" in Russia there are no wide-body aircraft? fool

                  "Ruined" IL-96 for the sake of "bobby" and now they are bred! Disgusting, honestly !!! soldier
                  1. Jin
                    Jin April 26 2013 15: 34
                    +2
                    Quote: vaf
                    and the media that a military pilot, that a "military" belay pilot. that a military test pilot .. all on a drum!


                    Yeah, it’s very correctly noticed ... and not only the air media, in my opinion. And the authors sometimes soak, at least stand, at least fall. You’ll smirk in the text, but look at the photo and just the tantrum begins. The fig is asking all this?
                  2. 755962
                    755962 April 26 2013 15: 36
                    +2
                    Zdorоin, Master! I already wrote above about the incompetence of the review. Let them carry out tests as much as necessary and of course by professionals in their difficult business. For us (that is, members of the forum) the main thing is that the work would "work." momentarily, it is difficult, but where without it. Bread begins to eat from the crust (proverb)
                  3. queen
                    queen April 26 2013 21: 19
                    +1
                    Quote: vaf
                    It is necessary to "blur" in Russia there are no wide-body aircraft?

                    So he himself flew on what in the first term (sorry not in Kolyma) laughing
                3. VAF
                  VAF April 26 2013 15: 35
                  +8
                  Quote: 755962
                  The emphasis is placed on the fact that the tests were already carried out by the military pilot, and not by the test pilot.


                  The flight was performed by a senior test pilot SLI-1, a test pilot of the 1st class, Colonel Pestrikov Alexey Konstantinovich. soldier
                  1. 755962
                    755962 April 26 2013 15: 47
                    +2
                    Well, short and clear ...
                    1. VAF
                      VAF April 26 2013 15: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: 755962
                      Well, short and clear ...


                      Zhenya, you can and even shorter drinks

                4. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm April 26 2013 16: 04
                  0
                  Quote: 755962
                  The emphasis is placed on the fact that the tests were carried out already by the military pilot, and not by the test pilot

                  This is probably called "Military Operation Tests"
                  1. VAF
                    VAF April 26 2013 16: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    This is probably called "Military Operation Tests"


                    There is no such definition in the Flight Test Methodology! wink
                    1. PLO
                      PLO April 26 2013 17: 01
                      +1
                      Hello, hello.
                      could not clarify a couple of points.
                      1) Yesterday, in the topic about the Su-30MKM, you talked about the engines for the second stage PAKFA, they say that they are already being tested and everything is fine. but in connection with these, the question arose why AL-41F1 is not placed on the Su-35, but only a cropped version of the AL-41F1C?
                      2) and the second question about the su-34 and in general.
                      if the aircraft has developed a resource (as I understand it, it’s a glider, not engines), then what is the further fate of these aircraft? only for remelting and scrap or somehow go to the repair fund?
                      1. fzr1000
                        fzr1000 April 26 2013 17: 22
                        0
                        Su 34 adopted in 2011. So he has everything ahead.
                      2. VAF
                        VAF April 26 2013 17: 36
                        +4
                        Quote: olp
                        could not clarify a couple of points.


                        Hi Oleg! You know, the first question is clearly not "in terms of salary", although you can make a "guess", but .... not yet for "broad2 voicing, we'll see what happens next!
                        but the second is easy: initially, the assigned resource and the calendar period are set on the glider.
                        And further operation takes place within these limits (with the production of KVR'ov within the limits of overhaul resources and calendars).
                        But in the process of operation, static tests also go on. as a result of which a conclusion is being made. that the first set designated resources and deadlines can be extended, when performing certain tasks (strength bulletins).
                        And as the initial installation resources are developed at the next CWR, these bulletins are conducted and a decision is made to establish new assigned resources (or rather, the assigned resource within hours, plantings, years).
                        So, in principle, an airplane can live a very long life with a competent approach!
                        Well, as they do with us, you yourself see and know how much and what it costs and was "stored" and ..... then only for cutting!
                      3. black_eagle
                        black_eagle April 28 2013 10: 29
                        0
                        On the Kachin Be-12s were prolonged, do we remember the results?
          2. Larus
            Larus April 26 2013 17: 18
            0
            So if it flies in a straight line, near the airfield and to a certain height, and even by order it’s full ???? No words))) By the way, it would be so full, would it really be that they would not advertise it in the conflicts that they successfully create , because they prefer to bomb again on junk.
          3. Larus
            Larus April 26 2013 17: 19
            +1
            So if it flies in a straight line, near the airfield and to a certain height, and even by order it’s full ???? No words))) By the way, it would be so full, would it really be that they would not advertise it in the conflicts that they successfully create , because they prefer to bomb again on junk.
        2. Quiet
          Quiet April 26 2013 19: 00
          0
          What a handsome man!

          Great heights and speeds !!!! drinks
  2. Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 April 27 2013 03: 04
    0
    There is no fly in the ointment.
  3. taseka
    taseka April 27 2013 07: 04
    0
    Quote: Bulls.
    In, bon voyage ... or rather, on a long flight !!!

    To military pilots !!!!
  • svp67
    svp67 April 26 2013 09: 37
    13
    Troop pilot first made a test flight on the PAK FA
    - Hooray! I wish that soon many and many "military" pilots would fly this machine, multiplied by hundreds of copies ... Keep it up.
    1. Russian
      Russian April 26 2013 09: 39
      10
      Eeeh, a beautiful infection!) As our designers said: a beautiful plane cannot fly badly))
      I join the aforesaid, bring it the most important thing to mind, and supply as much as possible to the troops!
      1. Quiet
        Quiet April 26 2013 19: 04
        0
        Eeeh, a beautiful infection!) As our designers said: a beautiful plane cannot fly badly))

        The more beautiful, the better the sky should plow ....
        1. Borat
          Borat April 28 2013 10: 05
          0
          Quote: Quiet
          The more beautiful, the better the sky should plow ....

          "Plowing" about the plane ... Sounds strange ...
    2. VAF
      VAF April 26 2013 12: 13
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      Hooray!


      Hooray this is not from the series! It's just that the news "as always" in our "special airplane media" is served through one place!

      Once again, read carefully - the military test pilot of the V.P. Chkalov GLITs, so you still have to live up to "standing"!
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 April 26 2013 12: 25
        +4
        How do you come, so lower people from heaven to earth! And here we decided that we had already defeated everyone!
        1. VAF
          VAF April 26 2013 12: 30
          10
          Quote: Den 11
          How do you come, so lower people from heaven to earth!


          I celebrate the same forever, but you have to distinguish between the real and the desired!
          And then only the LCI stages are not finished. Before the ICG have not yet reached, and already combatant pilots fly!

          They did not write well that ... "for the first time, a cadet from the Borisoglebsk Center, who had just recently completed the first export flight on the Yak-50, lifted the T-130 into the air." wassat
          1. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe April 26 2013 12: 37
            +5
            Quote: vaf
            They did not write well that ... "for the first time, a cadet from the Borisoglebsk Center, who had just recently completed the first export flight on the Yak-50, lifted the T-130 into the air." wassat

            Hello Sergey, glad to see you on a branch. Do not be angry with the people, they are not to blame for the fact that the information is provided incorrectly to put it mildly, but you want to rejoice at least for something in our life. And please continue to educate, although this is not always a grateful mission. respectfully wink
            1. VAF
              VAF April 26 2013 12: 47
              +8
              Quote: cherkas.oe
              Do not be angry with the people


              Oleg, I welcome you! I'm not "angry" in any way, I'm just explaining how things really are!
              everyone wants me, including that, as soon as possible, but .... it's an airplane, and especially the 5th generation. with all the consequences, so there’s still no end in work!

              not all "systems" have been fully tested and "brought together" into a single complex. and already combat pilots request
              1. cherkas.oe
                cherkas.oe April 26 2013 13: 03
                +3
                Quote: vaf
                flowing, so there work is still a lot of land!

                not all "systems" have been fully tested and "brought together" into a single complex. and already combat pilots

                Yes, while all the elements of navigation, tracking and guidance systems are brought together, a lot of kerosene will burn and money will be spent, and the main thing is not to rush during the development, so that later in the process of operation you could only improve and not remodel or buy system elements abroad Avionics for the fifth-generation domestic apparatus.
                1. VAF
                  VAF April 26 2013 13: 13
                  +7
                  Quote: cherkas.oe
                  or buy elements of avionics systems abroad


                  "Hinting" at the Su-30SM and MiG-29SMT wink

                  Yes, in avionics we have "plugs", but not from the "backwardness of our engineers", but from .... okay, otherwise we will again look for the guilty one. Although he is well known!

                  On the T-50, everything is ours, even Elbrus is completely crammed with our "schemes". as well as Solo on the Su-35S!

                  Works almost "as it should". will bring, there will be a SONG!
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 26 2013 14: 11
            +7
            Quote: vaf
            They did not write well that ... "for the first time, a cadet of the Borisoglebsk Center, who had just recently completed the first export flight on the Yak-50, lifted the T-130 into the air"


            ... notes the special correspondent of Izvestia from Borisoglebsk, Mr. Bileberdinsky! laughing
            Greetings, Sergey!
      2. Artmark
        Artmark April 26 2013 15: 00
        +2
        Everything will be fine! I am sure there will be a great plane! good hi
  • vadimus
    vadimus April 26 2013 09: 38
    +6
    We’re already waiting for the birds to be armed .. Hurry!
  • B_KypTke
    B_KypTke April 26 2013 09: 55
    +3
    Therefore, ergonomics testing of the cockpit and still can life support systems on board.
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus April 26 2013 11: 19
      +1
      smiled slyly in response to your comment
    2. VAF
      VAF April 26 2013 12: 20
      +7
      Quote: B_KypTke
      Therefore, pilot ergonomics testing


      This is done at the preliminary design stage!

      And military testers are connected at the stage of semi-natural and full-scale modeling!

      And it's too late in the air ... to "ergonomize" lol

      Quote: B_KypTke
      can still life support systems on board.


      and here ... dear Baskaus already said everything, you can’t do without a smile (to put it mildly)! wassat
      1. APOCALIPTIC
        APOCALIPTIC April 26 2013 20: 03
        0
        Quote: vaf
        Quote: B_KypTke
        Therefore, pilot ergonomics testing


        This is done at the preliminary design stage!

        And military testers are connected at the stage of semi-natural and full-scale modeling!

        And it's too late in the air ... to "ergonomize" lol

        Quote: B_KypTke
        can still life support systems on board.


        and here ... dear Baskaus already said everything, you can’t do without a smile (to put it mildly)! wassat


        And engines of the 5th generation or what? what
  • kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 April 26 2013 09: 56
    +8
    the plane is handsome! I would like to hear the impression of the flight directly from the pilot!
  • Shabur
    Shabur April 26 2013 10: 07
    0
    And which design bureau is developing it?
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra April 26 2013 10: 09
    +1
    FAP FAP FAP!
    1. alexng
      alexng April 26 2013 13: 34
      +2
      You, is it about the plane or about the magazine?
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution April 26 2013 10: 11
    +2
    Let the main thing work out to the smallest detail, and then let it go into series. And not as f-22 riveted, and now correct.
  • avt
    avt April 26 2013 10: 11
    +3
    Plus, the news is not flashy, but very positive. good We are waiting for him to shoot back at the training ground.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution April 26 2013 10: 16
      +1
      It is a pity that the pluses do not give the author an article rating.
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe April 26 2013 12: 22
      +3
      Quote: avt
      We are waiting for him to shoot back at the training ground.

      IT'S NOT SOON, WEAPONS ARE NOT READY YET, even the GDP is in the know, blabbed yesterday.
      1. VAF
        VAF April 26 2013 12: 36
        +8
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        IT IS NOT SOON


        The fact that not very soon is a fact, here haste is not needed at all!

        Quote: cherkas.oe
        WEAPONS STILL NOT READY


        It is a little wrong here, because. the ASPs themselves are already ready and are being "tested" on the Su-35S, but the SUV system on the T-50 is yes, there is still a lot of "work" to do!
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe April 26 2013 12: 42
          +1
          Quote: vaf
          It is a little wrong here, because. the ASPs themselves are already ready and are being "tested" on the Su-35S, but the SUV system on the T-50 is yes, there is still a lot of "work" to do!

          repeat Thank you.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 April 26 2013 10: 12
    +1
    Yes, it would be nice to hear feedback from an ordinary (although "normal" will be no lower than a polkan) military pilot! And what new will Andrey-VAF tell us?
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 April 26 2013 11: 14
      +1
      I think his name is Sergey
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 April 26 2013 11: 21
        +1
        The error went out
    2. VAF
      VAF April 26 2013 12: 26
      +8
      Quote: Den 11
      And what new will Andrey-VAF tell us?


      Already all the above said, the news, as always, "HAT"!

      It is common practice in flight test work, when at the phases of LCI (development of avionics and airborne safety systems), test pilots of the GNIKI (current GLITs) named after V.P. Chkealov are included in the brigade.
      So it was all my life on all types of planes and helicopters!

      so that no "ordinary" combat pilot there and "does not smell even close"!

      Yes, for the simple reason that military pilots have neither training, nor access to flights under flight-exploratory programs.

      To do this, at least you need to undergo training and finish the SHLI MAP or the CPL in the GLIC, well, also fly to a certain level of training! soldier
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv April 26 2013 12: 53
        +1
        VAF
        Good afternoon, you do not know the problem with composites on the garrot solved? Or luminum was put there temporarily.
        1. VAF
          VAF April 26 2013 13: 08
          11
          Quote: leon-iv
          Have you solved the problem with composites on the garrot?


          They decided, but not on the garrot, but on the center section

          Quote: leon-iv
          Or luminum was put there temporarily.


          on the 3rd and 4th "temporary" there was practically "nothing"! bully 5 and 6 will be the same, but 7 and further will go already "with all the innovations", but ... it's too early to talk about that. and ... no need bully

          But if everything works out. and this has all the prerequisites, it will be SUPER !!! good

          Then it’s already possible to really fellow и drinks
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv April 26 2013 13: 34
            +2
            Then it’s already possible to really

            Oga years so years after 5 when the first regiment set.
            Threat you do not know tav like very serious requirements for non-gangar storage.
            1. VAF
              VAF April 26 2013 15: 31
              +3
              Quote: leon-iv
              You do not know tav like very serious requirements for non-hangar storage.


              Given the current rate of production and supply of H030 and 101 .... the first regiment of years is so through ...... a lot, unfortunately!

              This topic is very "slippery", because. there are still no ground KSA and KSI, MTO facilities, even .. stepladders, not to mention preparation for the operation of ITS, and you are talking about .. storage.

              As always ... "on the street" !! recourse
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv April 26 2013 15: 59
                0
                Given the current rate of production and supply of H030 and 101 .... the first regiment of years is so through ...... a lot, unfortunately!

                Grummi said that from the 14th year there will be a new snap pace raised. Now people are preparing.
                1. VAF
                  VAF April 26 2013 16: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  from the 14th year there will be a new snap pace up. Now people are preparing.


                  God grant! I’ll only be glad, otherwise I’ll be kind of 2 per year recourse and there is a mistake. Naturally H036! drinks
              2. Day 11
                Day 11 April 26 2013 17: 49
                0
                Sergey, I would like to ask you everything. Do you think that the DPRK Air Force will be able to resist at least Yu.Korea. I just read somewhere that their Migi-29s are undergoing a real modernization (the fat man spares no money for this). then I had a video with their Migami (I can’t find it, I can find it, I’ll lay it out) -19, -21 ----- they look pretty decent (it seems like we went to modernization. The question is: After the modernization they will look worthy in a real battle ? Video in the topic http://video.yandex.ru/users/krion109/view/519/user-tag/%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80
                /
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist April 26 2013 10: 18
    +9
    Good luck, I wonder if they called our bird behind the "hillock"?
    PS On May 9, a passage over Red Square of 68 sides is planned. In a single formation of the Air Force planes fly by:

    Su-24,
    Su-25,
    Su-27,
    Su-34,
    MiG-29
    MiG-31,

    An-22,
    An-124,
    IL-76,
    IL-78,
    A-50,



    Tu-22M3,
    Tu-95
    Tu-160

    As well as helicopters:

    Mi-8,
    Mi-26,


    Mi-28,
    Ka-52.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 26 2013 10: 22
      +1
      No doubt they have already called me. Even I know with what letter the name will begin --- F
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 April 26 2013 10: 35
        +1
        Full polar fox
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus April 26 2013 11: 25
          +3
          If officially, then the Latin name is Alopex lagopus
          And in Russian, just a scribe))
          1. jjj
            jjj April 26 2013 16: 05
            +2
            Russians have all the arctic fox. The hat is a polar fox, the fur coat is a polar fox. I got a tram - a fox. So the arctic fox will also want to bomb
        2. zvereok
          zvereok April 27 2013 19: 19
          0
          full piz # ez
      2. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution April 26 2013 10: 37
        +1
        no this is export indian. Amer has not yet announced.
        But for our carcasses, bear and blackjack are a great name.)
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist April 26 2013 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          But for our carcasses, bear and blackjack are a great name.

          Tu-16 (according to NATO codification: Badger - “Badger”,) it seems they haven’t come up with anything yet, the fantasy has refused.
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution April 26 2013 20: 23
            0
            I talked about the two of the above, I did not mention the badger.
            1. Bort radist
              Bort radist April 27 2013 07: 19
              +2
              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              I talked about the two of the above, I did not mention the badger.

              Yes, no complaints, just TU-95 (bear) is heard and on the go, but they began to forget about that -16, it was a good bomber. Myasishchev M-4 codification of NATO - Bison.
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt April 27 2013 07: 28
                +2
                Quote: Bort Radist
                that -16
                Tasks performed, but there was an accident. hi
      3. Soldier
        Soldier April 26 2013 11: 18
        0
        Well, that's right. F - ,, fighter ,, fighter, B - ,, bomber ,, bomber, C - ,, cargo ,, (cargo) tra

        Nsportnik, R - ,, riconeis ,, reconnaissance, H - ,, helicopter, helicopter and a name is coined for the type designation LA.
    2. UFO
      UFO April 26 2013 10: 45
      +1
      +++, oh, the An-225, Yak-130, Yak-141 and Ansat are missing!
  • radio operator
    radio operator April 26 2013 10: 23
    +2
    I wonder how the appearance of a production aircraft will change in comparison with the prototype?
    So same as the T-10 from SU-27 or even more radical.
    I don’t know how to glider, but we have already been given TK to upgrade the station on the T-50, which is already ready to go into series.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 26 2013 10: 27
      +1
      Do not decipher yourself - the enemy does not sleep!
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman April 26 2013 11: 09
      +1
      Well, in theory, only the nozzles of the engines will change. like it was said that fairings would be delivered as on a raptor to increase the reflectance (forgotten what is called).
      Well, in the longer term, anything can be)). Maybe the cab lantern will be made whole-glass.
      1. Gemar
        Gemar April 26 2013 11: 24
        +4
        Quote: silver_roman
        coefficient increase

        Reductions?
        Quote: silver_roman
        the lantern of the cabin will be made whole-glass.

        Unbinding?
        Quote: silver_roman
        engine nozzles.

        I doubt that the nozzles will change ... Probably you mean that the engines will paint?
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman April 26 2013 12: 30
          +2
          No, an account of the increase is all true. I just forgot the name of that particular coefficient. And if you follow the logic of the words I wrote, then it is the coefficient of the reflected ability, i.e. the higher the coefficient, the greater the reflectivity wink .
          It turned out a little crooked, because according to GOST, this coefficient is the inverse of that. what I noted)). the main thing is that you understand the essence!
          The lantern is pure speculation, although it is impractical, because a little expensive.
          At the expense of nozzles: it was infa that they will modify iron, and not just paint, but this is not verified. just rumors.
          1. Gemar
            Gemar April 26 2013 17: 18
            0
            Quote: silver_roman
            At the expense of nozzles: they will finalize the iron

            Something like a casing? The WAF (or anyone else) also said something like that. However, it seems to me that without such a PAK FA would not have been experienced. If it doesn’t appear on the 5th instance, then it’s just simply painted.
            Quote: silver_roman
            the main thing is that you understand the essence!

            drinks I understood the point, but as a dog, I know everything, but I can’t say ... wassat
            Quote: silver_roman
            Lantern - this is pure speculation, although it is impractical

            Yes, it seems not speculation ... They wrote (just don’t ask those where, I don’t remember!) That they came up with a special spraying and are planning to make a coverless lantern on the serial one that will withstand> Mach 2.
  • yanus
    yanus April 26 2013 10: 31
    -1
    Right by the rules they do everything (test). Even the military pilots pulled up.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 26 2013 10: 45
    +1
    Help people, what are the two twin-engine high-wing twin-engine planes in the photo? Thought An 14, but not he.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 26 2013 10: 50
      +3
      It looks like it's a su-80
      http://www.sukhoi.org/planes/civil/su-80/
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 April 26 2013 10: 52
        0
        Looks like. Thank.
      2. jjj
        jjj April 26 2013 16: 11
        +1
        Yes, such would instead of the L-410 UVP in small aircraft
    2. cyberspace
      cyberspace April 26 2013 11: 00
      +2
      It looks like the M-55 Geophysics, but it has 2 turbofan engines, maybe what is the option with a theater / tvd?
      1. igor36
        igor36 April 26 2013 11: 04
        +2
        M-55 jet
      2. fzr1000
        fzr1000 April 26 2013 11: 05
        0
        They stood on M 55 turbofan engines.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 27 2013 14: 11
          0
          Who slammed a minus? Two double-circuit turbojet engines on this plane (M 55) or turbojet engine (I was taught this at the Moscow Aviation Institute).
          1. Canep
            Canep April 27 2013 14: 22
            +1
            People are used to DTRD. And AK-47 instead of just AK.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 26 2013 10: 51
    +5
    One of my favorites
  • valeriymotors
    valeriymotors April 26 2013 10: 56
    +3
    The most beautiful military aircraft in the world !!!
    1. Nitup
      Nitup April 26 2013 11: 29
      +4
      But, except that the Tu-160 can compete with him
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 26 2013 15: 09
        +4
        Quote: Nitup
        except that the Tu-160 can compete with him
        Let them collaborate better))) drinks
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 26 2013 11: 02
    +3
    By screws! You have a claim to us - we are flying to you! Higher and higher and ...
  • individual
    individual April 26 2013 11: 08
    -9
    My question is: development of PAK-FA Russian, or research and development of the USSR?
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 26 2013 11: 12
      +2
      With such a flag, such questions?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 26 2013 12: 22
        0
        Flag means nothing
    2. Gemar
      Gemar April 26 2013 11: 29
      19
      Quote: individ
      PAK-FA Russian, or research and development of the USSR?

      Research began under Tsarist Russia. tongue
    3. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus April 26 2013 11: 38
      12
      Answer: T50 RUSSIAN development, fatal for the USA.
      I also have a counter question for you:
      And what about the vertical take-off technologies in the F35?
      And you know, evil tongues say that it is also compromised from Soviet developments in Yak 141

      PS I suspect that the psyche of a simple American can not stand the information that their hero astronauts fly into space on (funny to say) spaceships developed really in the USSR and in Russian spacesuits.
      1. OTAKE
        OTAKE April 26 2013 12: 30
        -1
        Quote: Bashkaus
        And you know, evil tongues say that it is also compromised from Soviet developments in Yak 141

        Americans do not deny the fact of cooperation with Yakovlev Design Bureau in the 90s, they directly opened the curtain of secrets ...
        And what about the vertical take-off technologies in the F35?

        Everything is fine, flies in, sits down, shoots, and what is wrong?
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus April 26 2013 19: 51
          +1
          Everything is fine, flies in, sits down, shoots, and what is wrong?
          Thank you for your question.
          And not so in this whole thing, the fact that the Americans, according to your words, cooperate and take (bribing) Russian technology is not shameful, but quite normal.
          But for some reason, it must be shameful and shameful for us to accept experience from our fathers.
          Something somehow sorry for the expression crap or something turns out. Don't you think so?
          1. OTAKE
            OTAKE April 27 2013 05: 01
            +1
            And not so in this whole thing, the fact that the Americans, according to your words, cooperate and take (bribing) Russian technology is not shameful, but quite normal.

            So if they are selling, then why refuse then? Especially the price, good, only half a milon request
            "In 1997, the OKB entered the Air Force command with the Yak-201 fighter project, which is a radical modernization of the Yak-43 project. The aircraft looked very much like the American analogue of the JSF F-35. The project was rejected by the command in light of the fact that the Air Force did not need a light Since 2003, the Yakovlev Design Bureau, in conjunction with the AHK Sukhoi, won the tender for the development of the fifth generation fighter PAK FA and actually stopped work in this direction. As reported in the press, in the early 90s, the documentation for the RD-79- The B300 and the Yak-41 itself were sold to an American company for ... 500 thousand dollars. "
            But for some reason, it must be shameful and shameful for us to accept experience from our fathers.

            In what place was it said that it was shameful? our industry is not able to produce this. As she was NOT able to produce something advanced and in Soviet times.
            As you can see, the plane flies quite normally, shoots.
            1. Nitup
              Nitup April 27 2013 14: 52
              0
              I absolutely disagree. At least, military and space technology was and is one of the best, and in some forms the best in the world.
            2. Nitup
              Nitup April 27 2013 14: 55
              0
              I absolutely disagree. At least, military and space technology was and is one of the best, and in some forms the best in the world.
            3. Nitup
              Nitup April 27 2013 14: 56
              +2
              In what place was it said that it was shameful? our industry is not able to produce this. As she was NOT able to produce something advanced and in Soviet times.
              I absolutely disagree. At least the military and space technology of the USSR and Russia was and is one of the best, and in some forms the best in the world.
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist April 28 2013 23: 53
          0
          On April 3, around 4.30 day, an F-22 stealth fighter from an aircraft of this type deployed at the Kaden Air Force Base (Japan) made an emergency landing on the airfield due to the aggravation of the situation on the Korean Peninsula, the Japanese website ryukyushimpo.jp reported 4 on April .

          After landing, there was a fuel leak (fuel spilled 10 meters from the aircraft), more than 10 US troops approached the scene.

          According to an eyewitness, when the plane landed, white smoke flowed from the back of the car. By 6.00 in the evening the plane was towed to the hangar. The causes of the incident that day were not identified.
  • individual
    individual April 26 2013 11: 11
    -8
    PAK-FA and T-50 - a parallel project or fairly independent tasks?
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 26 2013 11: 14
      +7
      Why such questions (with such a flag) --- we will not say !!!
      1. slvevg
        slvevg April 26 2013 16: 36
        +3
        Well done! He laughed heartily! But on the site there is a representative from the special department, good
    2. Gemar
      Gemar April 26 2013 11: 31
      +7
      Quote: individ
      PAK-FA and T-50 - a parallel project or fairly independent tasks?

      "Is there life on Mars, is there life on Mars ... Science does not know this!" wassat
    3. USNik
      USNik April 26 2013 11: 40
      +8
      Well, if you know that the PAK-FA is a promising aviation complex of front-line aviation, and the T-50 is a light tank from one little-known game, then we can say that these are "independent tasks".
    4. afire
      afire April 26 2013 11: 55
      +6
      Yes ordinary perpendicular project laughing
    5. Drejk
      Drejk April 26 2013 14: 18
      +3
      Answer No. 1: yes
      Answer No. 2: with such questions, does it make sense to read the forum ?????
      Answer No. 3: what a goat’s flag on our site ???
      The main answer: what do you think? Answer make people laugh)))
    6. OTAKE
      OTAKE April 27 2013 06: 29
      0
      Quote: individ
      PAK-FA and T-50 - a parallel project or fairly independent tasks?

      I will reveal the greatest secret, this is the same plane. Just different designations. You better sit through the anonymizer, under the flag of the USSR, and then the people are very impressionable, everywhere there are masons, the State Department and seems to have trouble.)
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 27 2013 06: 34
        +2
        And you, Agent Otake, in what box are you in? bully ?
        1. OTAKE
          OTAKE April 27 2013 07: 08
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          And you, Agent Otake, in what box are you in? bully ?

          I won’t be scared, otherwise they will look at me askance. :)
  • ed1968
    ed1968 April 26 2013 11: 22
    +2
    successful flight fellow t 50 handsome I hope everything goes smoothly and will be adopted on time and put into service
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak April 26 2013 11: 30
    0
    Already the army began to pull up. Means preparation of combatant pilots is going on. Those. can we expect that 5 and 6 will already go to military tests or what ???
    1. VAF
      VAF April 26 2013 12: 41
      +7
      Quote: Wedmak
      Already the army began to pull up


      Denis, hello! No, this is a mistake, I painted everything above! So forget about the "system" for now!

      Quote: Wedmak
      Those. can we expect that the 5th and 6th will already go to military tests or what ???


      First you need to wait for 5 and 6 ki. This time! And how do you want without GOSOV immediately military? And also on prototypes? wink

      Unfortunately, miracles do not happen! drinks
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 26 2013 13: 16
        +2
        Greetings to Sergey. Well, when you explained, it became clearer. But still, at least some news from the project. And then something was silent for a long time ..
  • individual
    individual April 26 2013 11: 33
    +8
    That is how we live. One step from patriot to spy. (Question of curiosity).
    1. afire
      afire April 26 2013 11: 57
      +2
      one might think you threw the maz here on the drain of information and everything was led here)))
      there is no information that could be useful for America, it’s better to turn to GDP, he will tell you where to look))
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe April 26 2013 12: 31
      +3
      Quote: individ
      That is how we live. One step from patriot to spy. (Question of curiosity).

      And you, roll your curiosity into a tube and .... put it in you and it won’t bother you and we should take less.
  • Naval
    Naval April 26 2013 11: 37
    +1
    The main thing is that they would not be released in a single quantity and delivered to the troops. Somehow you sleep better when you know that such handsome men are on guard. smile
  • krpmlws
    krpmlws April 26 2013 12: 08
    0
    Why does PAK-FA have a snub nose, like that of Tu-22M3? That is, it is not symmetrical in the section. It would be more beautiful to make it symmetrical.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 26 2013 13: 18
      +3
      Aerodynamics is a tricky thing. Here "prettier" does not mean "useful". So it should be. Symmetry is not always observed.
    2. UFO
      UFO April 26 2013 14: 06
      +1
      He has a flux, do not worry. lol
    3. Chamber No. 6
      Chamber No. 6 April 27 2013 08: 49
      +1
      Quote: krpmlws
      It would be more beautiful to make symmetrical

      Is this a spring aggravation? Or - banal infantilism?
  • krez-74
    krez-74 April 26 2013 12: 23
    +3
    Always with reverence for the fighters, and for the people who fly and construct them!
  • True
    True April 26 2013 13: 34
    +1
    It seems to me alone that the PAK-FA glider is a SU-27 file processed?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 26 2013 13: 43
      +4
      YES. I advise you to go to the optometrist and pick up good glasses.
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 April 26 2013 13: 43
      +4
      Probably only to you alone
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 13: 44
      +5
      Quote: True
      It seems to me alone

      If this is a question, then I answer, Yes to one hi Buy glasses
    4. mogus
      mogus April 26 2013 13: 47
      +4
      yes, to one.
    5. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 26 2013 14: 24
      18
      Quote: True
      It seems to me alone that the PAK-FA glider is a SU-27 file processed?


      No, it's just a modernized An-2 which was also created as multi-purpose short take-off and landing aircraft technology which the Americans stole and create on its basis a similar fifth-generation aircraft F-35. Our version of modernization is distinguished by better quality characteristics of the airframe converted with the help of the "grinder" and the rasp of the An-2 hull laughing
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 26 2013 15: 25
        +5
        In turn, the An-2 is an improved aircraft of the Russian inventor Mozhaisky --- "sharpened", as comrade rightly thinks. True to modern requirements)
  • amber-50
    amber-50 April 26 2013 14: 03
    +2
    Whoever says anything, but our design school was and will be the best in the world and to hell when amers and anyone else can do something better. But I think this is not our most modern development.
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 26 2013 16: 03
      +2
      We’ll wait and see that nothing in the World lasts forever, including our design school, unfortunately there are few new young specialists. All developments on the inertia of the Soviet school, a good reserve in science were made in the Union, the main thing is to maintain succession.
    2. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus April 26 2013 19: 59
      0
      Hey, well, do not offend our star-striped friends like that, watch how they get excited, how many minuses they put to you.
      Yes, our school is experiencing difficulties after the 90s, but young people still go, albeit few, but it still absorbs the experience of older generations, from father to son, like a sponge.
      We will break through, not out of takha trouble got out, raptors will still swallow dust
      1. Chamber No. 6
        Chamber No. 6 April 27 2013 08: 56
        0
        Quote: Bashkaus
        Break through

        With such "tyrnet-fighters" who have cut off from military service - no doubt about it! HOORAY!!!
  • Opera
    Opera April 26 2013 14: 41
    +5
    I remember how more recently "our" press was frolicking - models, dummies ...
    Good news! Well done! Good luck!
  • Sinbad
    Sinbad April 26 2013 14: 57
    +1
    Great news! Well done! Now bring to the series, besides still upgrading. And more - more!
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 26 2013 15: 26
    +2
    Probably, during test flights on the T-50, our ground-based radars are working. "Considering" the aircraft in many ranges and developing tactics for use.
    1. VAF
      VAF April 26 2013 17: 02
      +5
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Probably, during test flights on the T-50, our ground-based radars are working.


      This stage in practice is yet to come and will not be held at the LII, but at ... bully

      And so, for a long time already "examined" from all sides and angles on "imitators".
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 26 2013 17: 04
        +2
        Got it, Sergey soldier ! When the whole system "buzzes" hi
        1. VAF
          VAF April 26 2013 17: 44
          +3
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          When the whole system "hums"


          Fully 100% equipped and combat ready (I really hope so) they are planning from the 7th, so this will be almost a series!
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm April 26 2013 22: 13
            +1
            Sergey would like to ask you to comment on the photo, or rather what is in the background. (Photo fresh from 26.04.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX)
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 April 26 2013 22: 24
              +1
              And what is there to comment on, although I’m not as advanced as Sergey, but in my opinion everything is clear-transport the Shuttle to the scrap (or maybe to some museum)
              1. zennon
                zennon April 26 2013 22: 40
                +1
                To the museum. Not long ago there was a yinfa that the last "Shuttle" was being dragged somewhere to California.
              2. Volkhov
                Volkhov April 26 2013 23: 22
                0
                The shuttle is white without soot with new elements of a dark color, similar to portholes - either a layout or a new model.
                Shuttle 2 starts - maybe they’re not writing about everything?
                1. zennon
                  zennon April 26 2013 23: 26
                  +2
                  The famous American space shuttle was delivered to Washington on the fuselage of a specially equipped Boeing. Discovery traveled to space 39 times, and spent a total of exactly one year there. But now the place of the veteran’s car is not in orbit, but in the National Museum of Aviation and Cosmonautics. There the shuttle will be put on public display.

                  Discovery escorted with honors: from Cape Canaveral to Washington, a spaceship towed in the sky a special Boeing-747 - the same one that was used to deliver the shuttle to the cosmodrome in August 1984.
          2. TSOOBER
            TSOOBER April 26 2013 22: 29
            +1
            Sergey good evening! The article is "no", the comments are super! If you collect everything that you unsubscribed about, you get a WONDERFUL article! good (when will you pamper us with your own opus?) If you would like to ask a question: I saw a video on the net how the T-50 launches rockets — how much is not computer animation? were there such launches? and at what stages do such tests pass?
            1. VAF
              VAF April 26 2013 22: 51
              +2
              Quote: TSOOBER
              I saw a video in the net how the T-50 launches rockets - how much is not computer animation


              Hello, Igor! I answer:

              1. This is a "cartoon".

              2. There were no launches or reset layouts (not yet time), but very soon.

              3. Sorry buddy, but this is a question, alas .. I can’t bully One thing I’ll say, practically everything is on schedule and at this stage all the problems are almost at the stage of resolution!
              1. TSOOBER
                TSOOBER April 26 2013 22: 59
                +1
                Thank you! drinkseverything is clear and to the point good
              2. Day 11
                Day 11 April 26 2013 23: 00
                0
                Serega (excuse me for pan-friday), all the same, answer to my post above (about the DPRK). I was there, I saw, I wasn’t allowed close. I will be very grateful. RESPECT. KIM CHEN IN
  • coleg-10
    coleg-10 April 26 2013 16: 00
    +4
    I want to get up at the sight of the T-50. With respect and gratitude !!!
  • SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS April 26 2013 16: 25
    +2
    PANCAKE!!! Ascetic laughed about An-2 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Until now, he’ll break through on rzhach :) :) :)
  • Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear April 26 2013 16: 45
    +3
    I can’t wait for the parade on Red Square
  • darksoul
    darksoul April 26 2013 17: 48
    +5
    From aesthetic point of view, the T-100 is 50% more beautiful, more elegant than the f-22, f35 ... it remains to wish our designers that the T-50 was not only a beautiful machine, but also bypassed Western analogues in terms of performance characteristics
  • ed65b
    ed65b April 26 2013 17: 59
    +1
    It would be interesting to know the opinion of the pilot, namely the ordinary and not the tester. And the plane is really very beautiful and powerful. Air pit bull. Chinese so-so does not impress, some kind of cotton.
  • redwar6
    redwar6 April 26 2013 20: 04
    0
    Well, thank God! That's good.
  • dima-fesko
    dima-fesko April 26 2013 21: 54
    0
    I understand that launching into mass production is not a joke, well, something is really very long.
    1. sashka
      sashka April 26 2013 23: 03
      +1
      Quote: dima-fesko
      I understand that launching into mass production is not a joke, well, something is really very long.

      Any First aircraft, especially the sample, is worth its weight in gold .. How much it weighs, so much it costs .. Like this. This is not a cheap business. Therefore, when someone decides, he will think a hundred times and weigh his possibilities. And again, this is precisely why there are not so many "willing". It remains to be content with scraps from the master's table .. Thank God It does not concern us. What we want is what we do. The rest are asking ..
  • zennon
    zennon April 26 2013 22: 26
    0
    The news is great, but the worm is sharpening ... In addition to purely technical issues, there are purely economic issues. How much will this handsome man cost? Departure cost on it? And from here, how many of them can we afford? Our country is not small, not Sweden. Question: how to cover up a huge country with first-class equipment, and not go through the world of Christ for the sake of? what When answering, keep in mind that we didn’t impoverish not only with technical nuggets, but this is really so, but also with stools and basil ones too ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 26 2013 22: 32
      +1
      It seems to me that you only need to equip a couple of regiments with this equipment. And close the borders with equipment like S-400, or maybe even S-500? (Still, it’s purely economically cheaper).
      1. waisson
        waisson April 27 2013 03: 06
        0
        where do you get this technique gadadins a good defense industry promises one thing and practice turns out a different order you need to put in it and not some privileges like some minds suggest
  • sashka
    sashka April 26 2013 23: 16
    +2
    Quote: Den 11
    It seems to me that you only need to equip a couple of regiments with this equipment. And close the borders with equipment like S-400, or maybe even S-500? (Still, it’s purely economically cheaper).

    Well, maybe it leaves two regiments of the Air Force and Air Defense? And the rest, in Serdyukovsky?. What kind of heresy is this? Have you seen the WAR? What the hell is the economy? On the defense of the Country, saving is categorically contraindicated .. Whoever does not understand, is still disentangling.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 26 2013 23: 23
      0
      Sashok, look at what century we live in! I think you and I have already discussed it? Who is the main enemy now? - are there some Wahhabis, but the main thing here is? - is a really strong special forces!
      1. sashka
        sashka April 26 2013 23: 42
        +2
        But the GRU should deal with the Wakhabites, even in the "embryo". But for some reason it was disbanded. Strange, isn't it?
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 26 2013 23: 47
          -1
          Shurik, you’re wrong, the GRU should have other tasks. And professional special forces should be engaged in wahs.
          1. sashka
            sashka April 26 2013 23: 55
            +2
            Quote: Den 11
            Shurik, you’re wrong, the GRU should have other tasks. And professional special forces should be engaged in wahs.

            It is necessary to "deal" with this rabble not on your territory, but on the way. Then only a headache and losses
  • sashka
    sashka April 26 2013 23: 30
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    Sashok, look at what century we live in! I think you and I have already discussed it? Who is the main enemy now? - are there some Wahhabis, but the main thing here is? - is a really strong special forces!

    In war, special forces are partisans .. (No offense is said). After all, it is better to "soak in the toilet" from afar and without losses. Is it logical? Well, Spetsnaz cannot replace ALL. Each type and branch of troops has its own tasks and methods. And let there be an opportunity for a quick response. But during a massive attack, unfortunately, the Special Forces will not help. To each his own ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 26 2013 23: 37
      -1
      Yes, you (can you?) Sanya is very mistaken. Now we need a strong, well-trained special forces. Sambiki is good, of course, also needed, but after all, it was purely an economic component!
      1. sashka
        sashka April 26 2013 23: 44
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        Yes you (can you?) Sanya

        You can, if you are over fifty))) And I'm not Sanya and Sanya.))) Better Sasha. For that matter ..
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 26 2013 23: 50
          +1
          I apologize if I offended. I'm 40. We will have no questions
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 April 27 2013 00: 02
      0
      I agree with you in many respects, but the 5th generation KILLER also has nothing to do there (his tasks are somewhat different).
      1. sashka
        sashka April 27 2013 00: 08
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        I agree with you in many respects, but the 5th generation KILLER also has nothing to do there (his tasks are somewhat different).

        So I'm talking about the same .. T-50 and Wahhabis. What kind of connection can there be?
  • navy33
    navy33 April 26 2013 23: 33
    +2
    very good news. thanks a lot for clarification hi .
  • zevaka84
    zevaka84 April 27 2013 00: 02
    0
    PAK FA all sorts of need, PAK FA different are important.
  • sashka
    sashka April 27 2013 00: 04
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    I apologize if I offended. I'm 40. We will have no questions

    In no case. I like it when you .. But I'm not Sanya. Agree.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 27 2013 00: 13
      0
      why can’t I find the letter E on the keyboard (with dots)? These smelly gadgets ... (for a normal computer my daughter doesn’t sit-occupied). My name is Denis. I can talk with you (you) about the Second World War (very I love this topic) .You can in PM
      1. sashka
        sashka April 27 2013 00: 26
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        why I can not find the letter E on the clave (with dots)

        Under the "Esc" key. True, it gives an error when typing .. After all, the site, after all, is from Germany .. Unfortunately, I have to work tomorrow. At 5 in the morning I get up .. It was nice to chat
  • sashka
    sashka April 27 2013 00: 22
    +1
    Here you look at our plane and think what beauty .. Look at not ours, and think that you wanted to say this? . No SCHOOL. USE makes itself felt. And you won’t buy it for any billions.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 27 2013 00: 30
      +2
      You shouldn’t be so. They have beautiful planes too. How do you like the B-2 Spirit? I think it’s very beautiful. Take a look on the Internet and check it out (how does it fly the second question)
      1. sashka
        sashka April 27 2013 18: 51
        0
        Quote: Den 11
        You shouldn’t be so. They have beautiful airplanes. How do you like the B-2 Spirit?

        Good means "in demand" in this case .. How did it end? Desert and parking. Poste restante. But that's how interesting. If only Chubais managed to transfer us to "nano-format". then we would not have seen them .. failed. What to do?. The eternal Russian question? So many times "wanted", but it turned out as always. (by the way) is attributed to Chernomyrdin. But we were told at school ... and I was over 50 .. STRANGE ..
  • Alexstalker
    Alexstalker April 27 2013 00: 26
    0
    Best! If the Women in the Ministry Do Not Slow down ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 27 2013 00: 33
      0
      I think Shoigu dispersed all the "swans" to e-ben --- hair dryer!
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 27 2013 01: 07
    0
    As the classic used to say, "After all, they can do it whenever they want!"
    So that the number of takeoffs equals landings!
    Fly and fly everyone!
    Pure SKY!
  • Lunew
    Lunew April 27 2013 09: 04
    +1
    A bit of humor. Continued about China.
  • Homeless
    Homeless April 27 2013 11: 21
    -1
    Why there is no information about the comments of the military pilot, at least about the general impressions of the flight on the T-50. The lack of comments is alarming.
  • sashka
    sashka April 27 2013 19: 02
    0
    Why not give the project a name? The most beautiful name for a destroyer of US and Eurofighters .. I think the Airplane MUST have a NAME .. HOW DO YOU THINK? PAK FA or T-50 does not "sound"? Maybe something more realistic, more specific and more correct? But from Botany, Feathered, etc. Do not Choose .. The fact is that we have problems with the war. But for such a thing, you can "strain"
    In short, you need a NAME for our aircraft .. Let's dare ..
    let's have a competition for the "name" for the t-50 ...
  • sashka
    sashka April 27 2013 19: 23
    0
    We are Russians .. Soft and beautiful, I don’t want the most .. So that there are no illusions .. This I continue about the name PAK-FA .. SOMETHING IS OUR BEAUTIFUL. But something on the spot ... Administrators, let's try or "muddy"? Maybe not "Buratino" from the General Staff, but not Pope Carlo either ..