Chinese generals were ordered to be privates

Chinese leader Xi Jinping ordered the generals and senior army officers to serve as ordinary soldiers for two weeks.

An unexpected order to all officers from the lieutenant colonel and above to become a private at the time is part of a campaign to raise morale among the troops.

The temporary reduction of the status of military leadership has not been applied in China for more than 50 years, since the time of Mao Zedong.

In 1958, Mao said that senior officials should serve as privates for a month each year.

In this way, Mao strengthened control over the armed forces, and many marshals and generals retired or left the country.

BBC China Service Editor Shizhun Chen says that Xi Jinping, who became president and commander-in-chief of the armed forces only last month, is trying to embody Mao’s ideas in reforming the army.

According to analysts, this decision Xi Jinping is trying to demonstrate that he feels confident enough in his post and is ready to show his power to the army ranks - one of the most influential groups in the country.

No banquets and gifts

Social network users in China are already wondering how warlords, who are used to banquets, will cope with morning drill, training marches and the cleaning of barracks.

Analysts also note that promotion in the Chinese army depends largely on personal or family ties, and a significant percentage of the high command advanced in their service so quickly that they almost did not experience the difficulties of army life in their entire career.

Xi Jinping became the head of the armed forces last month and has already begun to reform them
The decree does not indicate how severe the 15-day service will be in the ranks for generals and officers. It is only said that for this period officers and generals must "live, eat and serve" along with the rank and file.

"They should provide themselves with everything they need, and also pay for food. They should not accept invitations to banquets, go on excursions, accept gifts or interfere with the routine of the unit," said a statement from the Chinese Ministry of Defense.

Macau-based military expert Anthony Wong Dong said that although the new decree is similar to Mao's directives, Xi Jinping is sincere in his desire to reform the army.

"Lack of discipline, corruption and the gap between officers and soldiers have become commonplace in the Chinese army, which threaten its effectiveness. Xi is aware of this and is trying to solve this problem."

Comments

[Vadivak]

It doesn’t threaten us, the last ministers of defense in the army didn’t serve with us and it’s not worth starting

[Russian]

It would be good for us if the sons of our ministers and officials were sent to serve in the army, then we would quickly solve the problem of hazing, poor nutrition, and uniforms!

[ziqzaq]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

quickly resolved the issue with hazing

Hazing, there is a basis for order in the army (draft), just do not confuse it with bespredelom ...

[Peck]

What year did you serve? Hazing is no longer.

Deniskin Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Elberet545?feature=watch

NOBODY mentioned about hazing. Break stereotypes.

[mehanik27]

Oh, don’t tell me, Deniska, who is the brainchild of Korotchenko, which in turn is a false colonel. So telling Korotchenko to write about bullying, Denisk will write hundreds of essays about what bullying is good. He just has this job

[vladsolo56]

Hazing was only in those parts where commanders are mediocrity or drunk.

[Mikhail3]

For example, in the entire royal army. There was an official system of "uncles" - old-timers who were obliged to make young replenishment soldiers. To be a soldier means to be a person who will not break down when a real battle puts pressure on his psyche. Explosions, fire, shooting, everyone wants to kill you ... especially those really terrible guys from opposite trenches.
What do you think, training in digging trenches and mastering military equipment will help turn a young man, only from his mother and grandmother, into a warrior who will keep his psyche at the time of the battle? Maybe you need hardening? Strong pressure to be resisted, and not just to resist, but to learn, improve, grow?
Our army was radically weakened by the struggle against bullying. Although - weakened earlier. When the officers left who understood what hazing was and why it was needed. They controlled this most important component of combat training. And it instantly turned into a meaningless, shameful sadism ...

[Tambov we ...]

And my dad, who served on the Karelian Isthmus and then visited Budapest in the late 50s, said that they had no hazing. And I myself did not know what it was, although I served at the turn of the 70s and 80s in Chechnya. Hazing is the killing of a warrior.

[kori]

I don’t know how in other parts, but I returned from service that year and didn’t even smell of hazing. Everyone knew and did their job

[Alikovo]

I agree with you: my brother serves in the army, says that the young dare to sergeants and follow only direct orders from officers.

[Army1]

I remember at one time they said that Serdyuk would undergo a short course of military service, so I laughed then.

[dmitry46]

Without hazing is impossible. To be a grandfather does not mean to beat and cripple the young, but to teach! And drive to the fullest so that mother’s pies come out later! Accustom to cleanliness, that he himself clean, shaved walked and so that the barracks were clean.
No need to do kindergarten from the army! I came to serve in the army, so serve and do not complain that it’s hard for you! Yes, and now they are fed normally in the army.

But "sons" in the army should be, here I completely agree with you.

[ziqzaq]

Quote: dmitry46

Accustom to cleanliness

Quote: dmitry46

No need to do kindergarten from the army!

I fully support !!!
I remember there were a few "dirty" in the company, always dirty, always smelly, always hungry ... They treated simply: they were morally oppressed, after a week there were two pathological monsters, the rest washed, shaved, and washed themselves, and generally began to understand what was what ......

[Hudo]

Quote: ziqzaq

I fully support !!!
I remember there were a few "dirty" in the company, always dirty, always smelly, always hungry ... They treated simply: they were morally oppressed, after a week there were two pathological monsters, the rest washed, shaved, and washed themselves, and generally began to understand what was what ......

From these pathological freaks, various human rights defenders and other renegades are obtained.

[elmir15]

Quote: dmitry46

Without hazing is impossible.

I agree, but within reason. Army of people tempers - elementary school of life

[APASUS]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

It would be good for us if the sons of our ministers and officials were sent to the army to serve,

Especially those generals who are responsible for purchasing for soldiers (uniforms, food, shoes, tents, field kitchens)

[matryoshka]

For a long time the military was torn from the feeder. On orders, managers are sitting, they get kickbacks. But the military remains steadfastly endure the hardships and deprivations of military service.

[avt]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

It would be good for us if the sons of our ministers and officials were sent to serve in the army, then we would quickly solve the problem of hazing, poor nutrition, and uniforms!

Well, they told you that we are not the 37th year, it was only then that the children of tyrants considered it an honor to serve in the Red Army, and even really participate in the hostilities in the war. One word - satraps well, the hands of the Beria oprichniks did not reach, for example, to Lyubimov, so he sang or danced, I don’t know for sure, in the NKVD ensemble. while Vasya Stalin “sat out” in the aviation regiment. Well, how would we live if a genius thundered to the front? Who would tell us stories about Stalin and his entourage now? It’s scary to even think!

[LeXXSkAt]

I don’t know about the children of officials, but the children of generals go to the army and even die ... Perhaps the children of officials too.

During the war in Chechnya in the 1994-1996 years the sons died:

Lieutenant General ANOSHIN Gennady Yakovlevich;
Major General NALETOV Gennady Afanasevich;
Lieutenant General SUSLOV Vyacheslav Fedorovich;
Lieutenant General of PULIKOVSKY Konstantin Borisovich;
Major General Anatoly Mikhailovich FILIPENK;
Major General of Aviation Anatoly Chigashov;
Colonel General Shpak Georgy Ivanovich.
Lieutenant General SCHEPINA Yuri.

In 1999, the son of Lieutenant General SOLOMATIN Viktor Alexandrovich was killed in Chechnya.

[matryoshka]

Lists of Gazprom and Rosneft please, because suddenly their children are at war, but we don’t know. to my shame of the heroes.

[astra]

Chinese leader Xi Jinping ordered the generals and senior army officers to serve as ordinary soldiers for two weeks.

As I read it, at first I did not believe it, then I was very surprised at the wisdom of the Chinese Prime Minister - with one indication he will achieve a lot of good, including even greater respect for soldiers and officers to each other. It remains only to dream that we would have this too.

[Quiet]

It doesn’t threaten us, the last ministers of defense in the army didn’t serve with us and it’s not worth starting

Serdyukov urgently 5 out of turn orders and ... scrubbing sartirs !!!!

[Hudo]

Quote: Quiet

Serdyukov urgently 5 out of turn orders and ... scrubbing sartirs !!!! am

What the fucking toilets. In the disciplinary battalion to diesel the maximum period, and even then on the occasion of an unprecedented humane amnesty.

[Hunghuz]

What uzhosssssss ...........)))

[VictorRO]

Well then, at least they will play chess for severe plumbers

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: VictoRO

Well then, at least they will play chess

Here we will play such chess after the 3rd world

[Vtel]

Fiction - if we had such a dream, Serdyuk and others would not have been greeted.

[vilenich]

Quote: Vtel

Fiction - if we had such a dream, Serdyuk and others would not have been greeted.

It would be nice, of course, to do this with us as well, we just need to do it as in a famous work: to bring them all together and bring them to a deserted island in a prefabricated shield barracks, only a soldier should not be left alone!

[Hudo]

Quote: vilenich

Quote: Vtel

Fiction - if we had such a dream, Serdyuk and others would not have been greeted.

It would be nice, of course, to do this with us as well, we just need to do it as in a famous work: to bring them all together and bring them to a deserted island in a prefabricated shield barracks, only a soldier should not be left alone!

Why not leave this? Just the opposite! To collect the most reckless and hard-to-control fighters from all aircraft, let these ************* fully understand the hardships and deprivations. Can you imagine an oil painting: at half past three in the morning, scrofulous ichthyander Serdyukov wipes his bitter tears with a footcloth over an underexposed tenth point in the valley of snow-white toilets.

[Roll]

Our generals would have such an order, they would have devoured what the army orders from private firms, would have fled to Khudashkin, traveled with old equipment, maybe the army has become different, and the Chinese leader has respect, well done.

[redwolf_13]

No, these hangers-on would quickly create "His Majesty's Parquet Regiment" and honestly would resist there 15 days a year showing everyone that they also eat from a soldier's bowler hat. And the rest of the time, children, children of their friends and other majors would serve there. This would be the most glamorous regiment in the entire army of the Russian Federation.
The generals are not allowed to run !!!
In wartime, it causes a panic!
And in a peaceful laughter.

[Bashkaus]

The cool title "His Majesty the parquet floor" for such 100 pluses is not a pity to put it)
I already introduced the BTR-80Ud (with an extended knee base)
TTX acceleration from zero to hundreds in 6 seconds
Crew 2 + 2 "fighter" interior trimmed with a skin made of w ... crocodile, plasma, blu-ray, two separate closets, showers, and most importantly thieves room and a 30mm cannon to disperse all nerds in the left lane of the Moscow Ring Road.
Oh Serdyukov-Serdyukov ... we miss you

[Peck]

It is worth clarifying a little, because the misconception that the old form is supposedly from Yudashkin constantly pops up. She is NOT from Yudashkin. Yudashkinskaya, both in style, in cut and in materials, is completely different, but what the soldiers dressed in is the work of specialized research institutes, which Yudashkinskaya was seriously remade. The reason for its disgust is precisely in the quality of manufacture. I did not hear complaints that she was allegedly cold, because the myth was from the journalist, and Denis Mokrushin, no matter how many soldiers he interviewed, was warm to everyone. Another thing is that it is washed out white for a year and fades with spots.

[Peck]

Here is the Yudashkin form. Phil See Difference. Instead of a huge pea coat on a belt - a fashionable coat.

[Peck]

And here’s winter from yudashi.

[Mikado]

Quote: Peka

Another thing is that it is washed out white for a year and fades with spots.

I don’t know how right now, but before we were given a field uniform (according to documents) for a year, a set for six months in the airborne units.

[Peck]

Now there will be one set in general for three years, but this is already a supernova multilayer adopted under Shoigu. It will be difficult to imagine how this will look. But this is correct, because for one year in a row it is necessary for each ragman to give out a uniform with such and such a cost.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Peka

It will be difficult to imagine how this will look.

Rummage through the open spaces, look for "Concept", the form is approved this year

[Peck]

I mean exploitation. The appearance of the form is known, but how it will be a three-year sock of nichrome is not clear. One monkey will tear, spill the paint, stretch - what will happen to the one who will wear it in two years and in what condition will he get it already?

[Grey74]

I like "Afghan" more)))

[mehanik27]

Are you protecting Yudashkin or advertising Mokrushin ?????

[Naval]

A very good idea. Urgently adopt and implement!

[Maximus]

I was waiting for this review, but our army does not need it. There are a number of deeper problems and solutions, and officers are better off for special courses on "advanced training" and on the test of "professional suitability."

[taseka]

"Xi Jinping became the head of the armed forces last month and has already begun to reform them" - it's bad that they have such a smart commander in chief! And for fun, he introduced our generals with a broom!

[shark]

The idea is super! Fantasy avatar

[olegff68]

Well done Chinese !!! There is a political will to remind the overgrown fat for what they serve !!! We would be so !!! And in general, the rank of General should be assigned only after it proves its worth (military leadership, etc.) in real combat conditions - IMHO. We have a lot of "career" generals!

[elmi]

I am joining. We also had examples in history: Suvorov and many great generals were among their soldiers — they ate together, slept like soldiers, knew many soldiers by name, fought shoulder to shoulder, and much more. And so I represent our obese generals and officers temporarily becoming soldiers pulling themselves up on the horizontal bar, on march-throws, etc. It would be very useful for us to introduce such temporary reductions too, after such temporary reductions, there would be more order, so to speak, to feel for ourselves if you forgot all the charms of the soldier’s service

[BARKAS]

The Chinese have just been struck by me lately, if things go on like that, China will soon become the country with the most adequate leadership in the world.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

not ... our canned dog food will not ... and then after two weeks zae ... t in their trash ....

[Bashkaus]

It’s better than canned dog food (in a blockade and not ate like that) than a tie in one’s own saliva;)

[dc120mm]

In my opinion, the rule is not correct; they cannot humiliate senior officers in such ways. If an officer is not worthy, then fire him and that’s all.

[Roll]

Hi, remember Suvorov, Kutuzov, Ushakov, they were still generals and sometimes didn’t disdain with soldiers from one pot. There is no humiliation, there is a need to give the generals an accurate idea of ​​the state of the army.

[Mikado]

It all depends on how they are implemented. Suvorov then with Kutuzov might have eaten with soldiers from the same pot, but at the same time remained generals. And then the generals officially become ordinary, that is, any corporal can send them to hell or order the earth to hug, which is not buzzing.

[kostyan77708]

and what will happen to this corporal in 2 weeks? when is the deadline? Corporals are not suicides))

[Mikado]

nothing will happen if the corporal demobilizes in a week

[Maximus]

There used to be other times, but even in recent history, officers died in trenches with ordinary soldiers, and they ate porridge from one pot, but the Chinese have no such experience, so let them try all the charms of soldier's everyday life.

[Vadivak]

Quote: dc120mm

In my opinion, do not rule the option, they cannot humiliate senior officers in such ways

Nothing wrong. Christ washed the feet of the apostles, and the generals themselves foot wash themselves

[Maximus]

To some extent, this is really a kind of humiliation ...

[dmitry46]

Interestingly, and the generals will go in outfits? or put PCBs in the barracks?

[apro]

If the Secretary General of the PRC gave such an order, then he is already well done. And if the military of the PRC comply with this order exactly then there are no obstacles for them.

[Black]

Ah, well done!
But interestingly, how much does the general cost the state? 100 generals * 2 weeks = 200 weeks 4 years the general is scrubbing the barracks and peeling potatoes, is it expensive?

[military]

Quote: Vadivak

It doesn’t threaten us, the last ministers of defense in the army didn’t serve with us and it’s not worth starting

even the "last" VKG did not serve in it ...

[Nayhas]

I wonder how the Chinese generals will determine who the elephant or dushara, and who grandfathers and demobilization.

[Maximus]

Draw lot

[Mikhail3]

Pavel paid the first life for such a number. I decided to send the GUARD TO WAR. Well...

[Nikolai N]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

It would be good for us if the sons of our ministers and officials were sent to serve in the army, then we would quickly solve the problem of hazing, poor nutrition, and uniforms!

In each unit, according to the son of a deputy Ali Aligarh, yes this is an idea ++++

[Boomer]

we also did not interfere with this

[potap2872]

toot our ours there too))))))))

[My address]

And it’s not a bad idea to bring ours down to the ground, and for a long time and not only generals. For example Medvedev janitor.

[lilit.193]

Ours will not be forced. And if they force, they will pay off.

[Makarov]

Handsome ... no words

[Nursultan]

send our puzanov for one day to the position of employees.

[Majorloms]

Serdyukov and Makarov had to be a month old privates before taking up positions. But now they need to be in the shoes of the Sack of Convicts for the missing month in the ranks.

[ed1968]

I think ours also should be preferably in the winter in the frost

[ed1968]

I think ours also should be preferably in the winter in the frost

[Vladimir123]

Quote: Nursultan

send our puzanov for one day to the position of employees.

It won't help us! half will not come, go to the hospital, and the second will be worse than the "grandfathers" because everyone will understand that TOMORROW generals will become generals again ... In other ways, as in China ... This is an exclusively political action with the aim of earning the loyalty of the lower ranks of the army, well and some other tasks to solve ...

[gregor6549]

A very useful order for all generals of all countries, without exception. True, there is a danger that some generals will die on the first march of the throw. What to do? Natural choices should be the same in the army. Otherwise, it will be anything, but not the army.

[Chukcha]

Hmm, I have some kind of deja vu, it seems we had something similar in the army. Only the senior officers did not have to serve, but to comply with the standards for physical. load, and some more.
Is it really quiet?

[VictorRO]

Quote: Chukcha

Hmm, I have some kind of deja vu

I also remember other stupidities in the GDR - there was a period when our cars shot down German trains :) and there was an order - the senior car was no lower than the major - before moving out of the car go on foot itself and then regulate the transition of the car through the crossing. We also laughed - that the senior barrier is not lower than the rank of major :)

[crambol]

In 1958, Mao said that senior officials should serve as privates for a month each year.
In this way, Mao strengthened control over the armed forces, and many marshals and generals retired or left the country.

After the war, Rokossovsky also drove off the Polish generals with a march. The result was an attempt on Rokossovsky.

[VadimSt]

No made in China!

It was not surprising that another idea was stolen again, but the fact that high-ranking Chinese are hanging around on our site!
I suggested this idea for the Russian generals in my commentary on the article on survival centers - as a way, not to forget what the soldier’s blood and sweat smells like.

[VadimSt]

Ironically, of course, but true!

[Vadivak]

Quote: VadimSt

This idea for the Russian generals, I suggested in my comment

To Mao Dzedong?

In 1958, Mao said that senior officials should serve as privates for a month each year.

[Suhov]

About 20 meters from us, we took a decisive and broad step Zhukov.
He immediately jumped over a meter-long ditch. But some generals with an abdomen fell into the ditch.
Thereafter Zhukov introduced the so-called “Indian hour” in the troops (during a visit to India, the marshal noted that the "overseas" officers regularly played sports).
Six days a week, units conducted hourly drill and gunnery classes among officers, regardless of position and age.
We saw how every morning the generals did exercises, pulled themselves up on the horizontal bars ...

... we will win, I will come to you on a hot war elephant ...

[waisson]

I didn’t hear to regret, I didn’t know, but if we had such an innovation, the commander’s hut would not have turned back to the personnel but before and there would have been no hazing who remembers her, it ended in a period of glasnost and reigned outrage which was inappropriately confused with hazing

[huut]

I do not really believe that their entire generals will rush to do this in a friendly and meek manner. I think they’ll come up with a bunch of ways to dodge or pretend.
For some reason, our people are accustomed to believe that abroad there are only angels and life there is like Christ’s bosom, and in their own country only bastards and thieves.
This is what emotions say in you, not reason) It is not for nothing mentioned in the article about the great corruption and nepotism in China. So, I don’t think there will be such kindness as you described here. It will be like everywhere else - the elite are above, the bottoms are from below, and it does not mix.

It seems to me that this is generally a slogan for the masses, rather than a real attempt to lower generals from heaven. However, how actually it will pass we are unlikely to know.

The idea is too beautiful for the truth.

[Vorchun]

As a child (59-60) I came across the magazine "China" in Russian with a reportage and colorful photos about Mao-Zedong's stay in the army as an ordinary soldier. So they already had it at a higher level.

[huut]

Quote: Vorchun

So they already had it at a higher level.

That's exactly what happened. Now they no longer have such frenzied communism as they did before, if at all. They tasted a sweet life. For all their outward severity and restraint, one cannot believe in the sincere sacrifice of the generals. No They already Steel ... oh, Mao)

[Lopatov]

Normal window dressing. The game of democracy.

[1goose3]

Quote: vladsolo56

Hazing was only in those parts where commanders are mediocrity or drunk.

Hazing to one degree or another was in all units and by and large it was a certain instrument of discipline in units, which officers reasonably used. And in those units you are talking about, there was pure chaos, where discipline issues were at the mercy of those "grandfathers" without the participation of the officers themselves.

[albai]

For the USSR Armed Forces, such a move by Mao was not needed. Just because the officers, during their training, take such a course of a young soldier 4 years long that memory remains for life. And then, company-battalion officers all the service next to the soldiers and live and chew. From one PCB they feed, lie down last, get up first. I was the first to come to the captain to rise in the company. Well, already at the regimental level, sorry and age, and rank and other tasks and responsibilities. And even the fat-bellied ones were few in the regiment, since the checks were handed over and running, jumping, shooting along with the soldiers. In the NFP and other instructions and instructions, officers have more stringent conditions than ordinary soldiers. I think everything remains in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And the Chinese probably have a different training program for officers. If anyone in the know can tell me.

[Lopatov]

Quote: albai

And the Chinese probably have a different officer training program

Absolutely the same as ours. Military schools, academies. The only difference is that they get to combined schools only from certain provinces.

[albai]

Then why do they have such a big gap as a soldier-officer?

[Lopatov]

Yes there is no gap apparently. The usual propaganda show for Chinese citizens.

[albai]

Tady oh !!! Only such pathos!

[Die-hard]

For the PLA, this is even useful. One of the last armies where natural cabinet generals with a width of two tables have been preserved.

[oper66]

there are enough dolgogreb everywhere ... gu .. remember yourself ... the demobil washes the floors .. to show the spirit how to clean it up today in the market I met with the captain and his assistants from the destroyer that came from the khranueov normatively I mu marya len he rubs me the calf from Pasa Yuyuyu drank Temryuk brandy and friends juyuyuyuyu
In Novorossiysk

[Uncle lee]

The initiative is interesting, let the generals know from the inside how and how a soldier lives. And if they would put the leaders of all ranks for a couple of months on pensions, let them feel how to live on that money.

[VictorRO]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

It would be good for us if the sons of our ministers and officials were sent to serve in the army, then we would quickly solve the problem of hazing, poor nutrition, and uniforms!