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“The king himself always leads us”

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History of these elite regiments is ambiguous and controversial


“The king himself always leads us”Vladimir Putin signed decrees conferring honorary titles on the 154-th separate commandant and 1-th separate rifle regiments of the Moscow garrison. From now on, they began to be called, respectively, Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky. According to the Kremlin press service, this was done in order to revive the glorious military historical traditions, as well as taking into account the merits of the personnel of the current regiments of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

"Fun"

In childhood, in accordance with the traditions of the court of Peter the First, comrades in "fun" surrounded him - servants and peers. Together, they amused themselves in a typical war game for boys of all ages and nations. Only the young prince had more toys than ordinary children - up to several platoons of "amusing", and even wooden cannons.

As time went on, Peter grew, and the problem was becoming more and more clear: the young king had no loyal troops. The bodyguards, nobles from the Gosudarev regiment, fled at the sight of an angry mob of Streltsy, which gave power to princess Sofya in 1682 year. The only people loyal to the sovereign were only his “robits”. So innocent fun has acquired quite a serious meaning: to create a well-trained, fairly numerous and loyal to the king guard, which could protect him from any upheavals.

Not far from Moscow, near the villages of Preobrazhenskoye and Semenovskoye, far from toy exercises began to be conducted. And the “amusing” weapons were already received by real, not wooden cannons. New troops were trained by capable foreigners from the German Quarter - Scottish Patrick Gordon and Swiss-born Franz Lefort.

The 1686 year includes information about the appearance of the first two regiments - Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky. But, only starting from the 1692 year, the "amusing" regiments become combat-ready units.

Preobrazhentsy and Semenovtsev divided into companies, they had their banners, sergeants and a unified form. Dark green in the former, and blue in the latter. The first regiments were created, most likely, in the likeness of the Guard of Louis XIV.

“The king himself always leads us”

For the first time, Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments “smelled gunpowder” during the Azov campaigns and earned the reputation of “good soldiers” from the tsar and his foreign advisers. But, in addition to the army, the state required a fleet: not only master shipbuilders, but also naval officers. It was also necessary to reorganize the artillery, create and train new regular regiments. So preobrazhentsy and semenovtsy from soldiers become students, and then teachers. The most talented of them — sergeants and officers of the bombing (artillery) company — go with Peter to Europe to study science. Talented shipbuilders, diplomats, gunners, engineers and officers come from among the Preobrazhentsy and Semenovtsy ...

The Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments officially became the 22 of August 1700 of the Guards, on the day of the defeat of the Russian army near Narva. In this battle, the guards saved the remnants of the defeated Russian troops. As a token of appreciation, the officers were presented with silver breastplates. In addition, the Transfiguration and Semenov received red stockings as a sign that the guardsmen "stood knee-deep in blood."

The Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments participated in all the major battles of the Northern War, including the capture of Noteburg and Nyenskans, Narva and Vyborg, Ivangorod and Mitau, in the battles of Lesnoy and Poltava. After the battle of Poltava, Peter the Great said to the guard: “Your brave deeds will never forget posterity”.

Already under Peter, the guard was given a significant two-rank advantage over the army. Major Guard was equivalent to the rank of army colonel. And it concerned not only officers, but also the lower ranks, too.

As in the army, the service of the guards was unlimited. Only injury, severe illness, or death was freed from it. Unsuitable for the service of the soldiers were determined in special retired companies. And other retired engaged in training recruits.
Anyway, all the dismissed Guardsmen received a decent pension or had the opportunity to be kept free at the monasteries. In place of retired soldiers came their sons.

In addition to serving as bodyguards, officers and sergeants of the Preobrazhensky and Semenov regiments often carried out special assignments: they recruited, trained army regiments, supervised the execution of government contracts, controlled the activities of governors, and performed diplomatic missions.

In addition, the Transfiguration and Semenovtsy arrested and guarded state criminals, who were maliciously plotting against the most august sovereigns and sovereigns. Some of the officers made a career in political investigation.

In the role of "praetorians"

Separately, it must be said about the role of the Preobrazhensky regiment in palace coups. It is not for nothing that a number of Russian historians compare the Russian Guard (and the first among them is the Preobrazhensky regiment) with the infamous Praetorians, initially bodyguards, and then the "workers" of the Roman emperors. A decisive role in the Russian troubles of the post-Petrine period was played by the Decree on Uniform Inheritance, which allowed the monarchs to independently determine the heirs to the throne, and not to transfer power to the eldest son.

In the 1725 year, when Peter the Great lay on his deathbed, Menshikov led the company of the Preobrazhensky regiment loyal to him to the palace. Only one kind of tall guardsmen convinced the nobles to transfer power to the widow of the deceased monarch Catherine. In fact, the power was in the hands of the Supreme Privy Council, in which Menshikov played the first violin. Two years later, under Peter II, the all-powerful favorite, Transfiguration officers also arrested. And in Berezovsky exile the former Generalissimo was accompanied by retired soldiers of the same regiment.

The death of Peter II in 1730 forced the Supreme Privy Council to invite Anna Ioannovna, the niece of Peter the Great, to the throne. True, the grandees were going to limit her power to the so-called "condition" - conditions that contemporaries compared with the famous British Bill of Rights 1688 of the year.

But when Field Marshal Prince Vasily Dolgorukov, the former regiment commander, tried to persuade the Transfigurations not only to swear allegiance to the queen, but also to the Supreme Privy Council, they indignantly refused and supported the autocracy unanimously.

As a result, Anna Ivanovna defiantly broke the "condition", the council was abolished, and the first in Russia draft restriction of absolute monarchy remained on paper ...

During the reign of Anna Ioannovna, the Transfigurations lost the role of the Praetorian Guard. This was greatly facilitated by the execution in 1737 of the warrant officer of the Preobrazhensky regiment A. Baryatinsky for the intention to raise "a man with three hundred friends" for the sake of Elizabeth, "daughter of Petrova". Elizabeth herself was able to get dry from the water, even taking into account the fact that the government was known for its popularity as a guard. The Tsarevna often spent time in the barracks, gave money to the guards and baptized their children. Three years later, in the 1740 year, Anna Ivanovna died. Death glorified cruelty and tyranny of the empress reflected on the discipline of the guard. It is not surprising that denunciations of the unbridled behavior of the soldiers and noncommissioned officers of the regiment flowed into the Secret Office of the former Transfiguration Ushakov. The soldiers were serving in the “considerable uncleanness”, “unknown” were leaving the guard, playing cards and making jokes in the taverns ... Drinking, hooliganism in the urban markets, fighting, firing, looting of foreigners became common. It came down to the theft of silverware from the palaces of the Empress and nobles. An attempt to strengthen discipline with exemplary punishments of troublemakers and a ban on holidays did not bring popularity to the government in the eyes of soldiers and officers.

The anti-German sentiment skilfully took advantage of Count Minich to overthrow the all-powerful Biron, the favorite of the deceased Empress and regent of the minor Tsar John VI. Shortly before this there were rumors about the appearance in St. Petersburg of six army battalions, designed to provide reliable protection of the government, and about the dissolution of the guard. True, according to some testimonies, the Transfigurations were deceived by Munnich: they were supposed to take the crown prince Elizabeth to the throne, and not another German.

However, this was not the case. Less than a year, as Peter's daughter was forced to force a long-standing coup. Learning about the transfer of the Preobrazhensky regiment to Vyborg for war with the Swedes, Elizaveta hurried to the regiment’s barracks on the night before their performance and addressed them: “Guys! You know whose daughter I am, go after me. ” The coup passed without any particular complications: the guards in the literal sense in their hands brought their empress to the palace.

Fear of palace coups always pursued a new empress. And although most of the conspiracies turned out to be imaginary, Elizaveta Petrovna chose not to rely on the Preobrazhensky regiment any more, but organized a special detachment of personal guards of about 300 men. She was called the Life-company and initially consisted of soldiers of the grenadier company of the Preobrazhensky regiment who helped her carry out a coup in 1741. The life company, however, did not escape the fate of the Praetorian Guard: it was famous for its extreme licentiousness and the almost complete lack of discipline. Under Catherine, most of the abolished Peter IIIs were joined to the Cavalry Guard Regiment.

In 1762, the Transfiguration, as well as in 1741, were agitated by rumors about the replacement of guards by army troops. It was said that they would be sent to fight in Denmark, and the Holsteens and Prussians loyal to him would become the new bodyguards of Peter III. However, then the soldiers of the Izmailovsky Life Guards regiment, in which the Orlov brothers served as future favorites of Catherine the Great, became the main striking force of the coup.

Catherine, like Elizabeth, learned the lessons of history and, during her reign, closely followed the mood in the guard. But the lessons of the empresses did not learn the son of the murdered Peter III, Paul I. The Gatchina drill, the fierce treatment of officers, who were razdezhivshihsya in Catherine's time, even more demonstrative favoritism - all this led to the fact that the officers of the Transfiguration of the Year actively participated in the coup 1801 of the year. However, ordinary soldiers did not know that they were going to regicide. The main role was played by officers-conspirators and noble grandees.

During the uprising in 1825, unlike many of the Guards regiments of the Life Guards, the Preobrazhensky Regiment immediately and unreservedly supported Tsarevich Nicholas.

Eleven companies of the regiment took part in the suppression of rebel forces, such as guards, on Senate Square. Since then, Nicholas I, on the anniversary of the December uprising, invariably visited the barracks of the regiment and talked with officers and lower ranks.

Voice of honor

In the XIX century, the Transfiguration Regiment returned its former glory and ceased to be considered the Praetorian Guard of the Russian emperors. However, the first episodes of the regiment's participation in the Napoleonic wars are associated with severe defeats of the Russian army. When Austerlitz in 1805, the first and third battalions of Transfigurations successfully repelled the attack of the Mameluke cavalry, the personal guard of Napoleon Bonaparte (65 soldiers and 8 officers were killed). Being in full force, the Preobrazhensky regiment covered the withdrawal of the Russian army after the defeat at Friedland in 1807. At the same time, during the historic meeting with Napoleon in Tilsit, the first battalion of the Preobrazhensky regiment guarded the emperor Alexander I.

During World War 1812, the regiment was in the First Western Army, General Barclay de Tolly, but did not take part in the battles until Borodino. In the general battle near Moscow the regiment was in reserve. The personnel suffered losses from artillery fire (25 killed, 125 injured) and took part in the last counterattack on the “Rayevsky battery”. The French cavalrymen did not get involved in the battle with the militant infantry and preferred to retreat under the protection of their guns. The regiment became famous in the foreign campaigns of the Russian army 1813- 1814. Under Kulm in 1813, the Transfigurations lost over 700 people killed and wounded, reflecting, along with other guards regiments, the attack of several times superior French. Things reached the point that musicians and non-combatant ranks were forced to take up guns. For this battle, the regiment received an honorary St. George banner. At the scene of the battle still stands a monument to the Russian Guard, built back in the year 1835.

Individual regiment battalions fought during the Russian-Turkish war of 1828-1829, suppressed the Polish uprisings of 1830-1831. and 1863. In 1877, the regiment took part in the liberation of Bulgaria: fought at Adrianople, San Stefano, Tashkisen. For the last case, the Transfiguration were granted premium St. George signs on hats.

Russia was crucified ... its defenders

In the First World War, the Life Guard Preobrazhensky Regiment fought on the North-Western Front, participated in the Battle of Galicia, the Warsaw-Ivangorod operation, the Masurian battle, the Vilna operation. Then he was transferred to the South-Western Front and participated in the Brusilov breakthrough. As a result of all these battles, the personnel of the regiment, including officers, were almost completely destroyed.

A complete change of personnel led to the fact that 1917 also participated in the storming of the Winter Winter in October, along with numerous soldiers of spare parts who were afraid of being sent to the front, alas, and Transfigurations ...

So it turned out that the Russian state was overthrown, ultimately, by its own guardians, albeit under the influence of populist agitation by the Bolsheviks and the Social Revolutionaries. And in March 1918, the Preobrazhensky regiment, as well as other guards units, was disbanded.

The regiment was recreated as part of the White Army in the south of Russia in the summer of 1919, however, its number never exceeded the battalion. Some of his companies fought against the Red Army in Poland in 1920, where they were eventually interned and went into exile, and in the Crimea, from where they fled after the defeat of the troops of Baron P.N. Wrangel.

Not a simple story and Semenov ...

During the Patriotic War 1812, all three battalions of the Semenov regiment were included in the 1 Brigade of the Guards Infantry Division of the 5 Infantry Corps. When they marched from St. Petersburg, the 51 officer and the 2147 lower ranks were in the ranks. During the battle of Borodino, the regiment was in reserve, and after the enemy seized Battery Rajevsky participated in repelling the attacks of the French heavy cavalry against the center of the Russian position (lost 120 people).

In the 1813 campaign of the year, the Semenovs participated in the battles of Lützen, Bautzen, Kulm and Leipzig, and in the 1814 campaign they reached Paris. By the way, in these two campaigns, a unique officer took part in the regiment’s combat operations - the St. George Cavalier, Colonel (later General) Sergey V. Nepeytsyn (1771 — 1848), who lost his leg under Ochakov and fought on the “artificial” leg of the famous Kulibin mechanic.

October 16 1820, the leading company of the Semenov regiment, tied to the former commander Ya.A. Potemkin, filed a request to cancel entered under A.A. Arkacheev cruel orders and change the regimental commander Schwartz. The company was deceived into the Manege, arrested and sent to the casemates of the Peter and Paul Fortress. Then the whole regiment stepped in for the rebel company. He was surrounded by other parts of the garrison of the capital, and then sent to Peter and Paul Fortress in full force.

The first battalion was committed to a military court, which sentenced the ringleaders to expulsion through the ranks, and the rest of the soldiers to exile to distant garrisons. Other battalions were scaled to various army regiments.

In 1905, the regiment was transferred to Moscow to suppress the armed uprising. By the 16 number, when the Semenovts and other arrived units entered into the business, one of the city’s districts, Presnya, and the Moscow-Kazan rail line to Golutvin remained in the hands of the rebels. For the suppression of the rebellion outside Moscow, the commander of the Semenov regiment colonel GA. Ming singled out six companies under the command of Colonel N.K. Riemann. For the suppression of the December uprising in Moscow, the commander of the Semenov regiment, George Alexandrovich Min, deserved special praise from Emperor Nicholas II, was promoted to major general and enlisted in His Imperial Majesty's Suite.

However, during the revolutionary events of the 1917 of the year, the Semenovsky Regiment declared itself a supporter of the new system, and was renamed the "Uritsky 3 Petrograd City Regiment".

After the October Revolution, as the Bolshevik press wrote, many "bourgeois sons" enrolled in the guard regiment of the Spassky district of Petrograd to evade service in the Red Army.

However, when Petrograd began to face the danger of the White Guard offensive, the units stationed in the city began to be sent to the front. The 3 th guard regiment was transformed into the 3 th Infantry Regiment of the 2 th Petrograd Special Forces Brigade and sent to the front. 28 May 1919 regiment located in the village of Vyra, which is in 6 kilometers from the station Siverskaya Petersburg-Warsaw railway. The 3 battalion of the regiment, numbering 600 people, was stationed in the village, the other two were on the front line. At night, in agreement with the commanders of the battalion and the White Guards, the White Guard Talab regiment entered the village, and the conspirators headed by V.А. Zaitsev, former captain, commander of the 1-th battalion, and S.A. Samsonievsky, also a guard officer, began to arrest and shoot the Communists. After the reprisals against them, the regimental officers, accompanied by the regimental orchestra, marched ceremonially. All in all, about six hundred people, a regimental orchestra and a two-gun battery went over to the side of the whites. It was one of the most notorious transitions of the Red Army to the side of the whites, which attracted the attention of the top leaders of the Soviet state. According to the historian Yaroslav Tinchenko, "for the Soviet power, the Semenovsky regiment was the most hated of the entire Russian imperial army."

Soon after the end of the Civil War a lot of noise caused in the RSFSR and throughout the world so-called. "Semenov case". When analyzing the altar of the church of the Life Guards Semenov Regiment, the OGPU representatives discovered the regimental banner that the former Semenovs had secretly kept for all these years.
According to Aleksey Polivanov, now a living descendant of one of the officers of the regiment, from 21 the arrested XIUMX semenovtsy were shot. Four more received labor camps for 11 years, five Semenovites got off with 10 for the ITL years.

Currently, the Military Medical Museum, Russia's largest world-class military history museum, is located in the building of the former Regimental Hospital of Semenovtsy in St. Petersburg at Lazaretny Lane, 2.

October 11 A monument to the Russian guardsman of the Semenov regiment by sculptor Andrey Klykov was solemnly opened on October 2008 on Semenovskaya Square in Moscow.

Revival of glorious traditions

Assigning to the separate commandant’s 154 and to the separate separate infantry regiments of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation the honorary names Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky imply that they will serve as the most elite units of the Russian army. Indeed, for a long time, since the Great Patriotic War, both regiments in one form or another carried guard in the Moscow garrison for the protection of the most important institutions of the Ministry of Defense, and the 1 regiment also separated from its staff important foreign guests and solemn representation at all kinds of state and government ceremonies. No wonder the basis for the formation of the 154-th regiment was a separate company of the Guard of Honor.

Based on the historical mission and responsible tasks performed by the regiments, both of them absolutely deserved the right to be called Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky. By the way, it would be quite possible, in order to fully comply with the glorious traditions, to assign them also the titles of the Guards. Deserved.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 27 2013 07: 59
    +1
    Great things need to be supported and multiplied. It is honorable and worthy to serve in such units. I believe that the "current tribe" can and should continue the age-old traditions.
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 27 2013 10: 30
      +1
      It is necessary to remember and honor where it came from and the Russian guard went.
    2. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 April 27 2013 14: 05
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      And what an honorary one serves in the WATCH. Create 2 regiments from a new sheet; educate young people to start by planting these regiments for 5 years in the Caucasus so that they cover their banners with blood and gunpowder. Then call at least someone. Even Peter gave his units the name of the GUARD after fighting, when they covered their names with unfading glory. And this is a well-deserved reward. For the guards tape is the color of fire and gunpowder on the battlefield. And what was so special about 2 units of the Armed Forces that are engaged in purely security functions, that is, they (WRONG). And suddenly they became GUARDS and bear historical names. It's just stupidity
      1. de klermon
        de klermon April 28 2013 02: 14
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        Do you even know what WOHR is and what it does?
        Security functions? So "guard" is from the English "guard, guard", what are you not happy with?
        For your information, about 1 Page. regiment: "For courage and heroism shown on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War, 8 officers and soldiers of a special unit were awarded the high title of Hero of the Soviet Union ..."! The 154th regiment is no less deserved!
        Have you heard about the complete reorganization of the Semenovsky regiment at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, circumstances and reasons? He then even transferred to the Young Guard!
        And the fact that the main function in peacetime (and most often in wartime too) is the functionality of the Imperial Guard - guards in the imperial residences, with the highest participation maneuvers, representative functions of the "showcase" of the Russian army, you also did not hear? Exceptions, by the way, ended very badly for the Russian state! Don't believe me? Read about the Old Imperial Guard, and how its complete extermination at the front in World War I affected the stability and loyalty of the Petrograd garrison in February 1917!
        What streams of blood are you going to shed in the Caucasus so that the "white sheet" becomes blood-red with scorched edges?
        Even sensible and, possibly, popular thoughts should not be brought to the point of "stupidity"! Historical names have been returned to those units whose functionality fundamentally and as closely as possible coincides with their historical predecessors - the Old Guard! Battle glory isn't enough for you? So if the Motherland calls (for long years of peace and the prosperity of Great Russia), now it will be possible to use SEPARATE subdivisions of these regiments (making them really an elite in combat training), to use them in solving real combat missions! But they are just separate ones, because the Guard in imperial Russia was never driven to war together except Peter and the First World War !!! By the way, you may be delusional that the Soviet Guard (HONOR and GLORY !!!) was created and served for completely different purposes and on other principles than the imperial one? So this is a completely different story !!! These units are still alive: Tamanka and Kantemirovtsy were reorganized into the DIVISION the day before! Here it is the SOVIET GUARD!
        PS Russian Imperial Guard - honor, glory and traditions of the Russian army! Traditions must be protected and if they themselves destroyed, revive! And do it all the WORLD in the old Russian sense of the word! The Russian Army and its Guard will be what the people serving in them will be !!! And people are WE, citizens of Great Russia! And it is necessary not to find a good idea, but to bring it to life with my own hands, undergoing active military service, which I have been doing for 12 years and wish other real men!
      2. de klermon
        de klermon April 28 2013 02: 15
        +5
        Do you even know what WOHR is and what it does?
        Security functions? So "guard" is from the English "guard, guard", what are you not happy with?
        For your information, about 1 Page. regiment: "For the courage and heroism shown on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War, 8 officers and soldiers of a special unit were awarded the high title of Hero of the Soviet Union ..."! The 154th regiment is no less deserved!
        Have you heard about the complete reorganization of the Semenovsky regiment at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, circumstances and reasons? He then even transferred to the Young Guard!
        And the fact that the main function in peacetime (and most often in wartime too) is the functionality of the Imperial Guard - guards in the imperial residences, with the highest participation maneuvers, representative functions of the "showcase" of the Russian army, you also did not hear? Exceptions, by the way, ended very badly for the Russian state! Don't believe me? Read about the Old Imperial Guard, and how its complete extermination at the front in World War I affected the stability and loyalty of the Petrograd garrison in February 1917!
        What streams of blood are you going to shed in the Caucasus so that the "white sheet" becomes blood-red with scorched edges?
        Even sensible and, possibly, popular thoughts should not be brought to the point of "stupidity"! Historical names have been returned to those units whose functionality fundamentally and as closely as possible coincides with their historical predecessors - the Old Guard! Battle glory isn't enough for you? So if the Motherland calls (for long years of peace and the prosperity of Great Russia), now it will be possible to use SEPARATE subdivisions of these regiments (making them really an elite in combat training), to use them in solving real combat missions! But they are just separate ones, because the Guard in imperial Russia was never driven to war together except Peter and the First World War !!! By the way, you may be delusional that the Soviet Guard (HONOR and GLORY !!!) was created and served for completely different purposes and on other principles than the imperial one? So this is a completely different story !!! These units are still alive: Tamanka and Kantemirovtsy were reorganized into the DIVISION the day before! Here it is the SOVIET GUARD!
        PS The Russian Imperial Guard - honor, glory and traditions of the Russian army! Traditions must be protected and, if they themselves destroyed, revive! And do it all the WORLD in the old Russian sense of the word! The Russian Army and its Guard will be what the people serving in them will be !!! And people are WE, citizens of Great Russia! And it is necessary not to find a good idea, but to bring it to life with my own hands, undergoing active military service, which I have been doing for 12 years and wish other real men!
        1. redwolf_13
          redwolf_13 April 28 2013 11: 34
          -1
          Nicely deployed but not convincing. A lot of pathos smacks of a watered worker. But that's not the point. And why are these 12 years about the army. And about the citizens of great Russia, I liked it. I have a friend, Vasily, and now I’m a wretched man sitting there crying and drinking bitter. Ask why and here's why. Yesterday the kids say to him “why are you a dwarf? And why do you need this country?” The guy served for 7 years there is an award, but there’s no luck landmine and both legs are not there at all. And now the citizen of great Russia has become a "stub". And what does he have. But nothing. No length of service means pension only for disability, there is no hut either. And most importantly, it is unnecessary for this state and its people a dash of PEOPLE. And you are the traditions of the past centuries. Well, then let's revive Rynda and a couple of rifle regiments so for laughter and revival of the spirit of the former names.
          1. Shkodnik65
            Shkodnik65 April 29 2013 15: 15
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            No need to exaggerate and distort. The fact that a person has sorrow is one thing, but the fact that the Guard needs to be revived is quite another. The fact that they made the decision to recreate Semenovtsy and Preobrazhentsev precisely from these parts, so he and the President and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, he has the right and even the duty. He has such a job.
          2. yurta2013
            yurta2013 April 30 2013 13: 10
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            The fact that young scum insult the disabled war is just a consequence of the state’s inattention to the patriotic education of young people for quite some time in modern Russia. Now this situation is beginning to gradually improve. The appropriation of historical honorary titles to Russian military units is part of this process, as it contributes to the revival of the centuries-old historical traditions of the Russian army, almost completely forgotten in the Soviet years.
  2. Horde
    Horde April 27 2013 09: 32
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    the meaning of the creation of these "guards" regiments SUPPRESSION OF SPEECHS OF THE PEOPLE'S MASS. That in 1698 the suppression of the Streletsky-RUSSIAN actions against the dominance of foreign orders imposed by foreigners. In the newly created regiments of Semyonovsky and Preobrazhensky there were practically no RUSSIAN officers except for a handful of marginalized hating their people. The suppression of the Streletsky-RUSSIAN actions was carried out with unprecedented cruelty and cruelty, the newly created Semyonovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments were involved in this act.

    In 1905, the regiment was transferred to Moscow to suppress the armed uprising. By the 16 number, when the Semenovts and other arrived units entered into the business, one of the city’s districts, Presnya, and the Moscow-Kazan rail line to Golutvin remained in the hands of the rebels. For the suppression of the rebellion outside Moscow, the commander of the Semenov regiment colonel GA. Ming singled out six companies under the command of Colonel N.K. Riemann. For the suppression of the December uprising in Moscow, the commander of the Semenov regiment, George Alexandrovich Min, deserved special praise from Emperor Nicholas II, was promoted to major general and enlisted in His Imperial Majesty's Suite.


    The suppression of the masses in 1905 was carried out with extreme cruelty, the Semenovites simply shot at the unarmed people. Foreign commanders again gave orders to shoot the Russian people.
    I wonder who will now command the Semyonovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments?
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 27 2013 10: 27
      +2
      And from the barricades into the soldiers, pebbles from slingshots flew?
      1. Nuar
        Nuar April 27 2013 10: 54
        -2
        were mainly peasant appearances. And in the mass of their peasants gathered for a gathering (unarmed), and then a surprise awaited them.

        There was not so much upheaval as in Odessa - there was not so much ... the method of workers' struggle in the cities was a strike. The reaction of the tsarist government - mass shooting.

        Pe se. Uhhh !!! why did I get the Pschekovsky flag hung out ?! belay
        1. Maximus
          Maximus April 27 2013 11: 23
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          A gas surprise awaited the peasants in the Tambov uprising. First, all the cattle was brought out so as not to poison, and then the villages and forests were gasped along with the peasants who got up, and this was to the Civil ...
        2. de klermon
          de klermon April 28 2013 02: 24
          +1
          The flag is obvious from the fact that the ideological orientation of your opinion to a certain extent did not allow you to overshadow you with the royal tricolor, although ... really strange: the red banner would have been more logical ... It is really incomprehensible if you are not from the Commonwealth!)) Do not worry, NATIONALITY SHE IS NOT IN THE PASSPORT, SHE IS IN THE HEART!))
      2. Horde
        Horde April 27 2013 15: 26
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        Quote: Maximus
        And from the barricades into the soldiers, pebbles from slingshots flew?


        if in response to a stone from a slingshot you would fire a shot at this person, then such an answer would be regarded in any legislation of any state as an INadequate ANSWER and you would be condemned and imprisoned, punished. as well as the actions of Nicholas and the regiment commanders who sent soldiers to the SLAUGHTER.
        1. Maximus
          Maximus April 27 2013 15: 39
          +3
          That's the whole point, that cobblestones from the bridge and real bullets flew into the soldiers and there was no need to say that there was a peaceful rally on Krasnaya Presnya with the erection of barricades. The workers had weapons and the demands were serious, it was an armed rebellion.
          1. Horde
            Horde April 27 2013 16: 05
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            The workers had weapons and the demands were serious, it was an armed rebellion.


            all armed opposition was PROVOCATIVE, the Bolsheviks-Jews organized the provocations, the workers ’performances were peaceful unarmed in nature demanding not even freedom, but REDUCTION of the regime, shorter working hours, higher wages, price containment and NO POLITICAL REQUIREMENTS, but the tsarist-German authorities did not to understand and just shot the Russian people.
            1. Maximus
              Maximus April 27 2013 16: 34
              0
              The military opened fire on fire, and who was there on the barricades, a deceived worker or provocateur, who should understand?
            2. de klermon
              de klermon April 28 2013 02: 53
              +1
              N-da-ah-ah-ah !!! Something really needs to be changed in our education system ... Even you can’t recommend reading books and those - we also have a problem with high-quality historical literature! You have a topic for thought: in order to suppress several Jewish Bolsheviks, they drove Guard out of St. Petersburg from Moscow? Not fat? A few Jews held the week against the regular units? What kind of terminators are these? The Russian people (for your information then mostly rural people) did not take part in the revolution, but the workers (they were not such a large part, but very, very active and organized) were very aggressive! The Black Sea sailors recruited from among them revolted with entire ships !!!
              By the way, the army and the Imperial Guard are some of the best representatives of the Russian people!
              And the Bolsheviks, frankly speaking, did not really support the December armed uprising, it was supported to a greater extent by the Mensheviks (the RSDLP party then had 2 directions - the Mensheviks (Martov) and the Bolsheviks (Lenin will be remembered by night) and the Socialist-Revolutionaries!
              And here is a quote from the press of that time:
              "December 17, 3:45 am. Shooting intensifies in Presnya: troops are shooting, revolutionaries also shoot from the windows of buildingsengulfed in flames. The Schmidt factory and the Prokhorovka manufactory are bombed. Residents sit in basements and cellars. Humpbacked bridge is being shelled, where a very strong barricade has been set up. More troops are coming. "
              Newspaper Newspaper, December 18 (31), 1905.
              By the way, the units of the Life Guards of the Semenovsky Regiment captured the headquarters of the revolutionaries - the Schmidt factory and freed the workers of the Prokhorov factory, who were repressed by the revolutionaries.
              The open armed uprising that began on December 8-10 was suppressed by December 19. And thank God that it is so fast and relatively anemic, unlike, for example, the Tambov uprising, where the RUSSIAN PEOPLE really rebelled!
              Learn the mat. part!!!
              1. Horde
                Horde April 28 2013 08: 57
                +1
                : in order to suppress several Jewish Bolsheviks, they drove Guard out of St. Petersburg from Moscow? Not fat? A few Jews held the week against the regular units?


                about MANY Jews, you already thought it over, you don’t HIDE the true participation of Jews in the revolution. There were a LOTS of Jews of the Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, essays. They actually organized, unrest, provocations and armed opposition to the authorities, but suffered from the actions of Semenov’s Namely WORKERS - RUSSIAN.

                By the way, the army and the Imperial Guard are some of the best representatives of the Russian people!


                the very Russians were in the Semenovsky regiment of Ming, Riemann, Brock, Gilscher, Rosa — this nonsense didn’t care who shot the Russian workers or the bison in America.

                By the way, units of the Life Guards Semyonovsky Regiment captured the headquarters of the revolutionaries - the Schmidt factory and freed the workers of the Prokhorov factory, who were subjected to repression by the revolutionaries.


                this only confirms my words that the workers did not support open confrontations with the authorities, for which they were also punished by Jewish revolutionaries, and specially trained people who were organized and armed went into armed conflict.

                Learn the mat. part!!!

                just not according to the textbooks of the AUCPB. I add that to reading different textbooks it’s also good to use your head then and in reasoning harmony may appear.
          2. AntonR7
            AntonR7 April 27 2013 21: 26
            0
            I agree completely
        2. AntonR7
          AntonR7 April 27 2013 21: 26
          -4
          The actions of the tsarist authorities were adequate and fair, because the revolution was worth the money and it was not the people themselves who left, but the bandits provoked.
        3. de klermon
          de klermon April 28 2013 02: 27
          +3
          They were sent not to the slaughter, but to prevent the nightmare of 1917, which could have already come in 1905! To remind you of what ended the political lack of will and fear of the use of force in February 1917? !!
    2. consul
      consul April 27 2013 11: 44
      +4
      From September 30 to October 4, 1904, representatives of 13 revolutionary organizations of Russia gather in Paris for a conference. In addition to the radicals, moderates also take part in the meeting. True, their “moderation” is comparable to the radicalism of their colleagues. Among the delegates are Miliukov (future head of the Cadet Party, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Provisional Government), Tchaikovsky, who headed the Society of Friends of Russian Freedom in London, Count Heiden from the Imperial Free Economic Society. A common goal is formulated - the replacement of autocracy by the republic. The “beloved” principle of our revolutionaries is also proclaimed - the self-determination of nations. Not only Polish, Latvian, Finnish, Armenian and Georgian socialist nationalists represented at the conference agree that significant pieces of territory should be torn from the empire. Russian liberals readily vote for the collapse of the country.
      On January 9, 1905, Bloody Sunday will happen - a heinous provocation, as a result of which its organizers set up the bullets of the shabby workers. And the beginning of the events that ended in a clash of demonstrators with the troops was a strike of workers at the Putilov factory, which, in turn, was caused by the fall of Port Arthur. Workers went to the tsar with a petition in which someone’s hand added to the “general and compulsory public education on the state account” and the “8-hour working day” “immediate release and return of all victims for political and religious convictions, for strikes and peasant riots "and" ending the war by the will of the people. " Of course, no one seriously thought that the government would accept it. But after the death of people, one could always say that the emperor was against the 8-hour working day, and illiterate workers shed blood “for freedom of the press and freedom of conscience in the cause of religion”. It is not surprising that on the day of the shooting of the working demonstration, leaflets were already handed out on the streets with an exaggerated description of what had happened. So they printed them in advance. Consequently, the blood and death of the workers was carefully planned ...
      In late March - early April 1905, emigration began work on the purchase of weapons. 25 thousand rifles and over 4 million rounds of ammunition were purchased in Switzerland, and several thousand revolvers in England. A third of the rifles and a little more than a quarter of ammunition were supposed to be sent to Russia through the Black Sea, and the rest - to the Baltic. Weapons and explosives were transported first to Rotterdam, and then to London. Why go there? Here, the Russian special services worked most weakly, historians say. The question is, why in our European capital our intelligence officers could not really turn around, now no one is asking himself ...
      in London, in April 1905, the Third Congress of the Leninist Party of the Bolsheviks was convening. The task of the Social Democrats is old - the overthrow of hated tsarism. The most important means for this is armed rebellion. The most optimal way to arrange it is to start strikes and turn them into armed rebellions. This can be said with confidence, because the purchase of weapons for future events is in full swing. At the same time as the congress in Geneva, a conference of the Mensheviks gathered. The goals are the same - the only difference is in approaches and terminology.
      Immediately after the adoption of organizational decisions, the situation within the country begins to actively swing. The occasion is May Day rallies. The scenario has already been tested in January: someone is shooting from the crowd in the troops and police pulled together to prevent riots. Return fire leads to many casualties. “May Day demonstrations in a number of places were accompanied by clashes with the police and troops. In Warsaw, as a result of the shooting of the demonstration, there were several hundred dead and wounded, ”wrote the Stalinist“ Short Course on the History of the CPSU (B.) ”About this.
      1. consul
        consul April 27 2013 11: 45
        +6
        While the revolutionaries were preparing to purchase weapons, in February – March 1905, another Mukden battle failed for us. Again defeat, retreat again, but there is still no disaster, defeat. But on May 14–15, 1905, one of the dark days of the Russian fleet came: in the Battle of Tsushima, our Baltic squadron was destroyed. What is the result? Unexpected! On May 18, 1905, the Japanese government again appealed to US President Theodore Roosevelt with a request for mediation in the conclusion of peace with Russia! Even in the wake of tremendous success, Japan understands that it cannot win the war with Russia. Therefore, we must go to the world. It is most advantageous to do this now, when the successes of Japanese weapons are greatest. On May 27, 1905, the US President invited the Russian government to organize peace talks between St. Petersburg and Tokyo.
        The question is serious. The king should consider this proposal. And in order to make it easier for him to think, the strike of the Ivanovo-Ascension workers begins. It began on May 12, 1905, on the eve of the speech of the American president with proposals for peace! Workers will go on strike for a long time - 72 days. It was an interesting event: both the beginning of the strike and its end coincided surprisingly with the key dates of Russian-Japanese relations
        However, there are few striking weavers - Nikolai 11 does not give consent to negotiations throughout the first half of June. Then he has a new, even more serious headache. In the large industrial center of Poland, the city of Lodz, the streets are covered with dozens of barricades and three days (June 9–11) there are stubborn street fights. What decision will you make in such an environment on the site of Nicholas II? Still think, did not dare to give the green light to the negotiations? Then we pose the question differently: what kind of situation within Russia will you try to create with the hands of your revolutionary wards, if you need just such a decision by the Russian autocrat?
        And now, please, in the same month, as if on command, military riots break out. On June 14, 1905, an uprising began on the battleship Potemkin and Odessa riots followed, the revolutionary separatists were trying to create and separate the South Russian Republic from Russia.

        For the delivery of weapons in London, a John Grafton steamer with a capacity of about 300 tons was purchased. To confuse the tracks, the steamer was bought by a certain Watt (Whatt), a partner of the Japanese company Takada & Company, then resold to a certain wine merchant Dickenson (Robert Richard Dickenson), treasurer of the Socialist Revolutionaries.
        According to the organizers' plan, the weapons had to be unloaded at several points, near Vyborg and at several places along the Finnish coast, and then delivered to Russia and distributed among Finnish, Socialist-Revolutionary, Bolshevik militants, as well as workers from Gapon organizations so that in October 1905 raise an armed uprising in St. Petersburg and Moscow.
        Steamboat cargo
        A total of 16 rifles, 3 revolvers, 3 million cartridges, and 3 tons of explosives — dynamite and pyroxylin — were loaded on John Grafton. The cargo included Canadian Ross rifle rifles, Swiss Vetterli rifle rifles.
        On August 26, the John Grafton steamer ran aground off the Finnish coast. A pure coincidence led to the fact that a huge fuz with weapons did not enter Russia. More precisely, not all was hit: the revolutionaries managed to transport some of the weapons to the shore with boats, some drowned, the rest was captured by the police. Those who attribute this failure to the work of the police informant, Eno Azef, forget one indicative fact: the entire crew of the ship managed to not only escape from the crash site, but to escape, having previously blown up John Grafton! Whatever happens, be the secret police ready to receive "dear guests"
        1. consul
          consul April 27 2013 11: 46
          +3
          There are even more interesting facts. The events of those years firmly entered our consciousness as the “revolution of 1905." And we by inertia think that all of her events this year also took place. Ask anyone, he will tell you: 1905, Bloody Sunday, the uprising on Krasnaya Presnya.
          All right. This year, revolutionaries buy weapons by steamboats, prepare an armed uprising, and carry out mass strikes, May Day missions and strikes. It was in 1905 that there will be revolts of the sailors Potemkin and Ochakovo, Sevastopol and Odessa, Poland and the Caucasus will boil. To organize all these events, huge propaganda work must be done, a lot of leaflets and newspapers should be printed, money should be paid to agitators and professional revolutionaries, smugglers and corrupt policemen. We need money - big money, and right now! To collect them, you can do anything: take money from foreign intelligence, the last penny-contributions from a gray-haired worker and donations from a millionaire marginal. There will never be too much money! Therefore, it is precisely on the eve of the peak of the revolution, in October – December 1905, that we must go to an extreme, forced means - expropriation. Consequently, the peak of expropriation should fall in the spring — summer of 1905!
          This is logical, it seems certain. Such an answer will be given to you by any person to whom you ask the question: “When did the revolutionary expropriations take place?” Stop. Let's take a breath and open history books. We see an incredible, amazing and inexplicable picture. The expropriations, in other words, the robberies of banks and postal carriages by the militants of the revolutionary parties began in 1906!
          These were glorious, dashing things. On March 7, 1906, about twenty Socialist-Revolutionary Socialist Revolutionaries took 875 thousand rubles from the Merchant Bank of the Mutual Credit Society of Moscow (at the current rate, this is approximately $ 35 million!). In the summer of 1906, the Socialist Revolutionaries took 131 thousand rubles in the Kokand branch of the State Bank. On October 14, 1906, in St. Petersburg, during the attack on the carriage of collectors, they stole, that is, excuse me, expropriated about 400 thousand rubles. Socialist-Revolutionaries rob and post offices, do not shun anything. At the same time, in all its glory, the hero of the Bolshevik “aks” appears - Semyon Ter – Petrosyan, nicknamed Kamo. Its stellar time is 1906–1907. Then the most famous Kamo case, the Tiflis expropriation, took place. In July 1907, his militants robbed a bank on Erivan Square of the current Georgian capital. Taken 341 thousand gold rubles. At the same time, seven improvised bombs were detonated and three people were killed, and about fifty random passers-by were wounded and mutilated. Who directed the actions of Kamo? We will open any biography of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin and find out that during our first revolution he led the conduct of expropriations in Transcaucasia. Even the exact dates are indicated: 1906-1907 ...
          1. Maximus
            Maximus April 27 2013 12: 03
            0
            Objectively, thanks.
          2. Horde
            Horde April 27 2013 15: 56
            0
            In late March - early April 1905, emigration began work on the purchase of weapons. 25 thousand rifles and over 4 million rounds of ammunition were purchased in Switzerland, and several thousand revolvers in England.


            25 thousand rifles can be armed with the army. Where does the impoverished Bolshevik Party get such huge money for weapons? Comrade Lenin was certainly not from poor people, the mother was a noblewoman, but the rest were just beggars, and the party was very small. The only financial support for the revolution came, as always, from abroad. The Bolshevik party is a party of Jews who had the most direct connections with his foreign financial kagal. Financing the Bolsheviks, EURREAL was aimed at seizing power in the country, what could not be done in 1905 was possible in 17g.
            However, the striking workers, the core of the revolution, were practically not armed, which the tsarist troops took advantage of, mercilessly shooting barricades.
            The headquarters of the uprising was organized with a strict combat regime and a punitive group that carried out searches, arrests, executions, with its own court, which tried traitors and provocateurs. The construction of barricades began all over Moscow, and fighting squads were created. The number of strikers in Moscow on December 7 was about 100 thousand people, on December 8 - about 150 thousand. However, the number of armed combatants was only about 2 thousand people, and unarmed - 4 thousand. Performance in such conditions was doomed to failure.
            1. Petrospek
              Petrospek April 27 2013 19: 44
              +1
              "Ruthlessly shooting the barricades."
              but what are the bloody consequences, how many dead?
    3. AntonR7
      AntonR7 April 27 2013 21: 21
      -2
      The vile slander, the commanders were in 1905 Russian, and indeed in the vast majority either Russian or Russified. But they didn’t shoot at the rebellious people, but rebels and provocateurs sowing confusion.
    4. yurta2013
      yurta2013 April 30 2013 13: 25
      0
      I wonder where did such information about foreign officers in the Semenovsky regiment come from in 1905? German surnames, in this case, are not evidence. Yes, in the pre-revolutionary Russian army there were many officers with such names, but by the beginning of the 20th century, most of them had long considered themselves Russian, and the rest were also born and raised in Russia. As for the suppression of popular uprisings, then at different times not only Semenovtsi participated in them. And in the Red Army, very many units took part in the suppression of peasant uprisings throughout the country during the years of the civil war and immediately after it. Even Kremlin cadets participated in the suppression of the rebellion in Moscow in July 1918. During periods of revolutions and civil wars, the participation of military units in such actions is inevitable.
  3. MAG
    MAG April 27 2013 10: 11
    +3
    Knowing the story about these shelves is very good, but giving the "new" shelves the old name in my opinion is stupid. We have a guard, and without it we have a history that is no worse than it turns out, we reduce the combat guard and leave the ostentatious!
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 27 2013 10: 29
      0
      the new regiments were not given the rank of guards, but the old ones, on the contrary, were returned to Taman and Kantemirov.
      1. MAG
        MAG April 27 2013 10: 35
        +2
        The names themselves who know the story say that this is the guard! But besides Tamanians and Kantemirovtsy how many guards units were reduced?
  4. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ April 27 2013 10: 31
    +6
    Hmm, the history of the "parquet guards" in today's Russia deserves to be continued.
    Instead of preserving the military guards of the Great Patriotic War, which saved the country and people from fascist enslavement, they are eliminated.
    And the "Semenovites" who shoot the people, who bring the necessary favorites of the "Transfiguration" to power, are praised and revived. It is seen to continue the tradition of the struggle for power against the people.
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 27 2013 10: 50
      0
      Shoigu will return all the guardsmen to you, and the old regimental banners, the name of the military educational institutions will also be returned to the Soviet.
    2. Maximus
      Maximus April 27 2013 17: 58
      0
      From the combat guards units of the Second World War, sorry, only the historical name remains, the same is about the newly created regiments, this is no longer the tsarist and not the Soviet guard, this is the Russian Guard and how it will manifest itself is a matter of time, just as heroically as the Soviet one during the Second World War or as you put it, "faithful to the Tsar parquet Imperial" (with which you can argue).
    3. AntonR7
      AntonR7 April 27 2013 21: 33
      0
      the old Russian guard did no less than the guards. part of World War II
    4. fedot.uncle
      fedot.uncle 18 May 2013 14: 11
      0
      This is only partially true. Please note that the last combat units of the Imperial Army, which showed courage at the front, were soldiers and officers of the Petrovsky brigade (Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments). In July 1917, they died in Galicia, covering the withdrawal of troops. The Germans paid tribute to their courage and buried with honor. But ukry came, or the Ukronazists, dug up graves, put their three-toed fork in their place. And Putin's Russia is not even able to defend the graves of the heroes of the First World War.
  5. avt
    avt April 27 2013 10: 56
    +2
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Instead of preserving the military guards of the Great Patriotic War, which saved the country and people from fascist enslavement, they are eliminated.
    And the "Semenovites" who shoot the people, who bring the necessary favorites of the "Transfiguration" to power, are praised and revived.
    It seems that Bushkova read the comparison, the Janissaries. No doubt - they fought, but who didn’t fight in Russia? And more dashing units were, for example, under the command of Suvorov. Well, here they participated in all the coups. No. Stalin then introduced a smarter guard. With meaning and no matter how cool it was, it was accepted by the people right away. Here you can’t call him his guard. And here the hedgehog with a snake is crossed. Well, yes, the matter is resolved, there will be a Life Guard. There in Moscow on Preobrazhenka the church is being restored with a museum in the basement.
    1. xan
      xan April 27 2013 13: 01
      +3
      Quote: avt
      It seems that Bushkova read the comparison, the Janissaries. No doubt - they fought, but who didn’t fight in Russia? And more dashing units were, for example, under the command of Suvorov. Well, here they participated in all the coups. No. Stalin then introduced a smarter guard. With meaning and no matter how cool it was, it was accepted by the people right away. Here you can’t call him his guard.

      Yeah, Stalin is smarter, and Peter means no. Stalin did not have an operetta guard, but the kings had an operetta. Did you read the article?
      The imperial guard is an example of how, in some traditions, to cultivate unwavering stamina in a soldier. For two hundred years of existence, there is not a single shameful incident in battles. The kings always had units for which one hundred percent resistance could be calculated in any situation, even if the soldiers had not participated in the battles before. The Soviet guard had cases of abandonment of positions by units even at the end of the Second World War. The tsars even soldier was brought up differently - in a fire in the Winter in 1837, the whole Palace Square was forced good taken by the guard soldiers from the palace. Only one silver spoon disappeared, and even then the soldier himself confessed. There is no need to talk about officers - any unworthy act anywhere - an officer’s court and out of the regiment.
      I do not beg the Soviet guard, it is impossible to train soldiers like this in mass armies. But I believe that the modern Russian army should be somehow connected with the army of the Republic of Ingushetia. Russia did not begin under Stalin.
      1. dmb
        dmb April 27 2013 13: 58
        +2
        Russia certainly did not begin under Stalin, but it was not under Peter either. So why only these two positions are considered. But this is particular. The stupidity lies in the fact that instead of instilling patriotism by the example of all times, the authorities stubbornly "forget" about the Soviet period (where patriotism was no less) and, due to the obvious lack of examples of its positive behavior for patriotism, turns to these times. Without belittling the merits of the Transfiguration and Semenovites, I cannot understand, otherwise their names have been assigned to the "court" units, whose main task is to show off. What merits to the Fatherland do these units have so that they can carry the rank of Guards in general and the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments in particular. There is no need to turn the heroism of ancestors into profanation.
  6. avt
    avt April 27 2013 13: 52
    0
    Quote: xan
    There is no need to talk about officers - any unworthy act anywhere - an officer’s court and out of the regiment.

    request Is there a political commander that you almost scatter slogans like that? Well, I will keep silent about Petrusha, there are religious feelings here. These are the times of Peter III, his words, "They only block the residence, are incapable of any work or military pursuits and are always dangerous for the government" and there was a decree - to return the officers to the service wearing uniforms, and even forced to march, it is clear that tyrant ".From Dashkova's memoirs:" The guards regiments going to the palace to swear allegiance to the new Emperor were sad, depressed and did not look joyful. " Well, how were babies registered in the guards regiments, also for immersion in the tradition of officers?
    1. xan
      xan April 27 2013 16: 31
      0
      Quote: avt Well, about Petrusha, I will keep silent, there are religious feelings here. These are the times of Peter III, his words, "They only block the residence, are incapable of any work or military pursuits and are always dangerous for the government" and there was a decree - to return the officers to the service wearing uniforms, and even forced to march, it is clear that tyrant ".From Dashkova's memoirs:" The guards regiments going to the palace to swear allegiance to the new Emperor were sad, depressed and did not look joyful. " . [/ quote


      Wow, Dashkova was digging up memories, this is because there was no shame in the battles. Many guardsmen, including the famous Orlovs, took part in the war as part of non-guards regiments. And in what mood did you have to swear allegiance to the emperor, who ascended the throne and sharply launched state policy because of personal sympathies, and seven-year battles, conquests, victories and glories, and with them blood and thousands of lives, suddenly became in vain? Peter 3 was lucky that he was not immediately sewn, but was given a fix, but the deer was incorrigible.
      Quote: avt
      Zampolit what is it that you pour so almost slogans?

      Under-educated?
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  7. Opera
    Opera April 27 2013 13: 56
    +2
    The revival of the Semenovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments is a revival of the glorious traditions of the Russian army! We have something to be proud of in the tsarist and Soviet armies and the affairs of our distant ancestors! Let there be divisions (brigades) of Dmitry Donskoy, Alexander Nevsky, Brest, Stalingrad ... This is our glorious history, it is thousands of years old!
  8. AntonR7
    AntonR7 April 27 2013 16: 24
    0
    I am very glad that the traditions of the great Russian army are being revived, we must honor and remember the achievement of our ancestors.
  9. avt
    avt April 27 2013 18: 49
    0
    Quote: avt
    Quote: xan
    Well, under-educated, are you able to analyze the indisputable facts yourself, and not gossip?

    What a stupid you all the same request More to you, read the documents, look for two tracts signed by Peter III and Frederick in fact confirming the occupation of East Prussia by RUSSIAN troops and a decree on the material supply of troops for a long time. Here are the specific facts about the political activities of Peter III. And I look you got bogged down in historical jokes. Well, I can not do anything request For I took the wording as a rule. To teach fools - only to spoil.

    Well read on Pikul, then Akunin, you look and you will reach Dontsova.
  10. Karabin
    Karabin April 27 2013 19: 03
    +4
    A revival of traditions is good. Just what does the renaming of military units have to do with traditions? What is the historical connection between Semenovtsi and Preobrazhentsi and the current remake? What outstanding event of our time connected these units with the Semenovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments?
    If this is Putin’s PR, then it’s clumsy. I believe that history should be approached very carefully. Otherwise, we can get the opposite effect than expected. What is the use of the name of the regiment, albeit a glorious history, if those who serve in it now do not feel a concrete historical connection with the past, because it simply does not exist.
    1. AntonR7
      AntonR7 April 27 2013 21: 14
      +1
      And how do you know that those who serve in today's renamed regiments do not feel a historical connection ?! The revival of all glorious regiments is a tribute to the memory and education of new generations in the spirit of a glorious military tradition.
    2. seafarer
      seafarer April 29 2013 12: 51
      0
      Quote: Karabin
      What is the use of the name of the regiment, albeit a glorious history, if those who serve in it now do not feel a concrete historical connection with the past, because it simply does not exist.

      In the Soviet Navy in 1965, the cruiser VARYAG, the missile cruiser pr. 58, reappeared.
      For 47 years, there was no ship with that name in the Navy. And 60 years have passed since the battle in Chemulpo. And nothing - the crew had a historical connection with the armored cruisers RYAV. Moreover - in 1995 RRC pr.1164 "Chervona Ukraine" was renamed "Varyag". And again the historical connection appeared.
      We need to work on this. And a connection to appear.
      And this is precisely the case of so unloved by many political leaders. soldier
  11. George
    George April 27 2013 19: 35
    -1
    Hello all.
    Honestly, if in my opinion, then if the first rifleman with his 8 GSS for the Second World War pulls on "red stockings", then 154 commandant's merit on the battlefield did not shine. creation, then the new ones have everything ahead.
  12. Best novel
    Best novel April 27 2013 19: 41
    0
    I am the king, so Putin decided.
  13. not good
    not good April 27 2013 20: 12
    +1
    The question is what kind of ideological preparation will the newly-baked guardsmen have. Even after 1917, the Semenovites remained loyal to their regiment, for which their Chekists planted and shot, but destroyed the regimental shrine, the Vvedensky church, and the regimental memorial, and it would not be enough to bring up the war guards.
    1. AntonR7
      AntonR7 April 27 2013 21: 15
      +1
      little is not enough, but this is the beginning
  14. spirit
    spirit April 27 2013 22: 56
    +1
    Well, boyars bow to the tsar-pakhon of all Russia, Vladimir, nicknamed "Volodya the Pozifist", they walk, slaves with questions and cameras also walk! There is a jester, there is a red dog too, there are plenty of courtiers who will be sold to their mother for the tsar, there is nowhere to go! (council of the Feder) are carried out regularly. but there is no guard !!!! disorder !!! what kind of king is this without a guard !!!
  15. yurta2013
    yurta2013 April 30 2013 13: 49
    0
    The revival of the historical names of the famous combat units of the Russian army itself is certainly a useful thing. In my opinion, we need to go even further - to assign to all the existing parts of the Russian army the honorary names of the most famous for their military exploits of the Russian army, while maintaining the honorary names of the Second World War. There is nothing wrong with such a double name. This will symbolize the succession of the traditions of the Russian and Soviet armies. True, one name is not enough. It is necessary to ensure that all fighters know the history and heroic traditions of their units. Only in this case will the renaming help to increase the combat effectiveness of our army.