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Putin proposed to ban entry to the CU countries without a passport from 2015,

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Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed a ban on visiting the territory of the Customs Union without passports from 2015.

Initially, the Director of the Federal Migration Service Konstantin Romodanovsky suggested introducing a similar practice in six months, however Putin noted that “in six months our partners will not have time to print foreign passports for their citizens,” RIA reports.News».
“We understand very well what a great job it is,” Putin said, and proposed the initial 1 term of January 2015.
Putin emphasized that this provision would not concern the citizens of the Customs Union, that is, Kazakhstan and Belarus.

The President specifically instructed the Director of the FMS on the need to comply with international practice on cross-border exchanges, implying preferential rules for crossing the border by residents of border areas.

Thus, Putin repeated the position of his message to the Federal Assembly, announced in December 2012.

“A lot of time has passed for all CIS countries to form as such, and in such conditions, when citizens of other countries enter our country on their internal passports, it is almost impossible to ensure effective immigration control. I believe that no later than in 2015, entry into Russia should be allowed exclusively on foreign, not internal passports of other countries, ”he said then.

On Sunday, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who also heads the State Border Commission, also said that as early as 2013, Russia could allow citizens of CIS countries to enter the country only on foreign passports. This is supposed to help combat the supply of drugs from Central Asia and illegal migration.
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  1. feanor
    feanor April 19 2013 08: 08
    13
    Definitely good news, because there are already a lot of unregistered personalities in the country, from here increasing drug trafficking, hence the increase in crime, the outflow of money, etc.
    1. smel
      smel April 19 2013 08: 20
      +4
      many unregistered personalities in the country are
      I agree, but I also need an eye and an eye for my unregistered people. Yes and with providing their citizens with passports would not hurt to bring order. And then, as usual, we will seek out a mote ...
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 19 2013 08: 21
        +3
        Quote: smel
        I agree, but I also need an eye and an eye for my unregistered people.

        Are you talking about visitors to the golden-headed?
        1. Kolya
          Kolya April 19 2013 08: 41
          +8
          Just what about the Russians who, by the will of fate, remained in Ukraine, for example, many elderly people. They need to go to relatives in Russia. Can you imagine what a mockery their going for passports for Ukrainian corrupt officials will turn into? Although in general, I support Putin’s proposal, it’s useless to fight illegal immigrants without this.
          1. Nesvet Nezar
            Nesvet Nezar April 19 2013 08: 50
            +9
            Quote: Kohl
            Just what about the Russians who, by the will of fate, remained in Ukraine, for example, many elderly people. They need to go to relatives in Russia. Can you imagine what a mockery their going for passports for Ukrainian corrupt officials will turn into?

            Yes, do not care about them ... They have not itched for 20 years. How to babysit with children? They are all happy. The industrial east does not go to vote. So let them have what they seek. If they really wanted to be Russia, they would be. Do not want to go to the polls, let them go for passports ....
            1. Egoza
              Egoza April 19 2013 09: 12
              10
              Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
              Yes, do not care about them ... They 20 years do not itch

              You are not right! Those who would like to join Russia because they voted for Yanukovych in due time because he promised both the TS and the Russian language ... In the case of foreign passports, we are changing their form for the third time. Now here is the general biometric passport being introduced, which, it would seem, will be equal to the foreign one. The question is - do other countries recognize it in this form? In addition, for most Ukrainians, especially pensioners, the cost is foreign. passports and related contributions are almost equal to their monthly pension. Not to mention the fact that you need to defend him more than one line, which is occupied from five in the morning. So for Ukrainians this will be a problem.
              At the same time, ukr. The media are already hysterical about this - "Putin gave Yanukovych another incentive to join the Customs Union" http://www.segodnya.ua/world/Putin-podderzhal-ideyu-dopuska-turistov-n
              e-iz-TS-po-zagranpasportam.html Well, Putin is doing a mustache, offending Ukraine! laughing Although, of course, given all the troubles that come from visitors, such a measure is needed.
              1. Olegovi4
                Olegovi4 April 19 2013 14: 19
                +4
                Perhaps you are right. But if retirees go to Russia to visit their children, why not help the children with getting a salary, since there is not enough money. So my opinion is an excuse: Here, everything is bad, there is no money, bribe takers everywhere, queues for three months, etc. At the very relatives in Moldova (pensioners) and nothing, for a long time with a salary, travel without problems. And there, too, "conditions" oh-oh-oh, maybe "more interesting" than in Ukraine. The main thing is to want.
              2. anton107798
                anton107798 April 19 2013 22: 46
                -1
                the cost of a passport is 170 hryvnias, it is oooooochen expensive !!!
            2. smel
              smel April 19 2013 09: 48
              +4
              Yes, do not care about them ...
              Spit is easiest ... And those who stayed in the Baltic States, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Belarus. You can not give a damn about those who are married to Ukrainian, Belarusian. Narkah and those who have the graves of fathers and mothers left abroad of their native country and they will not be able to go to these graves. It's harder to be smart than spitting
              1. Nesvet Nezar
                Nesvet Nezar April 19 2013 10: 23
                -1
                Quote: smel
                Yes, do not care about them ...
                Spit is easiest ... And those who stayed in the Baltic States, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Belarus. You can not give a damn about those who are married to Ukrainian, Belarusian. Narkah and those who have the graves of fathers and mothers left abroad of their native country and they will not be able to go to these graves. It's harder to be smart than spitting


                Are you declaiming adequacy here? What are you spreading the truth to me here? Do you think I do not know the situation? ..... I do not care about the interests of Ukrainians. They spit on our interests. They received gas for 17 years for "three kopecks" did it help them? Did it help us? They wanted to sneeze at what you think. Can't retirees visit graves? But can they live in Ukraine, receive a Russian pension and call Russia an occupier?.... I do not urge to hate Ukrainians. Ukrainians are Russians living in Ukraine. Ukrainians are malorosy. I urge you to make money on the neighbors. This is the economy. And I do not care about the fraternity. They crushed one people and called their brothers. Nonsense. Neighborhood is a reality. They will become my brothers when the president is common to all brothers. By fed the brothers already. Enough.
                1. Oberst_71
                  Oberst_71 April 19 2013 11: 42
                  +1
                  You about passports, tell 35% of Russian officers of Ukrainian nationality who serve in the RF Armed Forces and have an 1 clearance form. They will make their way to parents.
                  1. antiaircrafter
                    antiaircrafter April 19 2013 12: 34
                    +2
                    Quote: Oberst_71
                    You about passports, tell 35% of Russian officers of Ukrainian nationality who serve in the RF Armed Forces and have an 1 clearance form. They will make their way to parents.

                    Departure of military personnel does not depend much on the availability of a passport, because under current law, in any case, permission of the command is issued for each exit. But without asking, you can certainly go to any place where you are allowed without security.
                2. anton107798
                  anton107798 April 19 2013 22: 47
                  +2
                  how tired you are likely to feed us))))
            3. morpex
              morpex April 19 2013 23: 23
              -1
              Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
              Just what about the Russians who, by the will of fate, remained in Ukraine, for example,

              Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
              Yes, do not care about them ..

              This is how your short-sighted politicians think! Bravo! Spit! Just remember the saying: "Do not spit in the well! It will come in handy to drink water."
              A clever policy is what Romanians, Hungarians are doing now. So far the essence is, they are handing out passports to themselves in the border regions. Is Putin weak? The gut is thin? Better to spit? Yes?
          2. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel April 19 2013 09: 22
            12
            International passports are an ineffective half-measure. How many illegal immigrants hang out not only from the second republics of the USSR, but also from Asia and Africa. Borders must be strengthened. Introduce visa regime to filter. Try to get a visa and get into the territory of the main carrier of US crap. Even the crew members of ships without an American visa will not get off the ladder, and if they do, then there will be tough sanctions, and the steamer will be blacklisted like persona non grada. Only a full-fledged border and visa regime can stop the flow of illegal immigrants and unwanted persons.
            1. Z.A.M.
              Z.A.M. April 19 2013 09: 47
              +4
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              Borders need to be strengthened.

              И IT the most important thing.
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              Introduce visa regimeto filter

              About 10 years ago. Until 2015, a lot of things will come.
              Quote: lewerlin53rus
              But Ampilov in his mossy "internationalism", on which our "guests" lay down with the device, was frankly ridiculous.

              I totally agree.
            2. rennim
              rennim April 19 2013 11: 50
              +2
              Stop practically any average Asian on the street and he will show you the passport of a Russian citizen. It’s too late to drink a Borjomi ... Earlier you had to think ... No passports will help.
            3. elmi
              elmi April 19 2013 13: 03
              +4
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              Passport is an ineffective half measure. How many illegal immigrants hang out not only from the republics of the USSR, but also from Asia and Africa. Borders need to be strengthened. Enter visa mode to filter.

              I agree with you completely, I will add that the introduction of a visa regime will significantly reduce the flow of drug trafficking from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. It will increase the number of jobs in Russia, reduce crime and encourage Ukraine and other CIS countries to join the customs union. Still to stimulate entry into the T.S. it is necessary to increase the tax on sending money transfers from Russia except for the countries of T.S.
          3. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 19 2013 16: 55
            +3
            Quote: Kohl
            Russians who, by the will of fate, remained in Ukraine, for example, many elderly people.

            When was the last time you crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border?
            I have seen enough and heard enough "subtle" hints to myself as a citizen of the Russian Federation.
            The problem must be resolved.
            And then we don’t have a family anymore, and didn’t divorce completely ...
          4. leha 2012
            leha 2012 April 19 2013 17: 15
            0
            For some reason, I think that by the beginning of the 15 of the year Ukraine will be in the TS =)
            1. morpex
              morpex April 19 2013 23: 43
              0
              Quote: leha-2012
              For some reason, I think that by the beginning of the 15 of the year Ukraine will be in the TS =)

              Yes, you do not need to create a vehicle! CIS, what a bad association? Who is to blame for the fact that the child is dead? Eternally, we create, destroy, build. And we can’t bring it to mind. So will the TS. Is there a catch? The union needs to be created on equal terms. Then it will be the UNION. Putin will never do that. And the piece of bone that he threw to Yanukovych seems too small. Here they are trading like bazaar women. And it’s unlikely that anything will come out of this gesheft worthwhile ...
    2. buga1979
      buga1979 April 19 2013 09: 30
      +2
      well, do we really have problems with emigrants, but before that, nobody knew
    3. vadimus
      vadimus April 19 2013 09: 53
      +4
      To limit the inflow of criminal tear is an unconditionally useful thing.
    4. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 19 2013 10: 24
      +3
      What good news is that? Waiting another 2 years for how much drugs will be taken, how many radicals will come, how many will be recruited, how many will be killed, robbed, etc. during this time, this is nightmarish news, well, that’s why he has a Russian interest.
  2. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 19 2013 08: 12
    17
    Yesterday, in Solovyov's program, the spears were broken about visas. Zhirik, of course, is in his repertoire, but he is largely right. But Ampilov in his mossy "internationalism", on which our "guests" lay down with the device, was frankly ridiculous.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 April 19 2013 12: 31
      +1
      This is depressing that the Jew Solovyov discusses with the Jew Zhirinovsky how to equip Russia. And the decision will most likely be this, let the southern brothers go, but there are no Slavs.
    2. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 19 2013 16: 44
      0
      Zhirinovsky:
      - "Fly, so fly!
      -Shoot, so shoot! "
      Ampilov:
      - "But the ducks are already flying high!
      -I will wave my hand! "
      Well, since they just each in their own way stated the solution to the problem, that’s all, but the fact that it (the problem) exists has long been clear to everyone.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 19 2013 16: 59
        +3
        Quote: mhpv
        Well, since they just each in their own way stated the solution to the problem, that’s all, but the fact that it (the problem) exists has long been clear to everyone.

        Televoting showed that Zhirik was more understandable than his opponent.
  3. horoh
    horoh April 19 2013 08: 14
    +4
    Why since 2015? Since 2014, since January, or even earlier !!!
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 19 2013 08: 19
    +4
    It’s high time, but if you don’t poke someone, you should be independent for the most indulge, and how to go to us, then on the inner crusts.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 08: 24
      15
      Quote: Vladimirets
      It’s high time, but if you don’t poke anyone, you’re independent, indulge in the most,

      Somehow they showed chmyrs tearing St. George’s ribbons from veterans in Ukraine, and then one of them was found in Russia, he came to work. It’s a pity they didn’t strangle, maybe with the introduction the situation will become better in this regard.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa April 19 2013 08: 43
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        and then one such was found in Russia, came to work.

        Aw! Nightmare! The evil Pu undermines the life of Galicia! This is sabotage! Half of the population will remain without work (the latter prefers Europe). This is Ukrainianophobia!
        PS I, personally - for, and then "migrant workers" pay taxes in other states, and claim (and receive) retirement in Ukraine. Their industry in the West successfully FSUs ..., now (and under the USSR) brigades of shabashniks are driving around, incl. and in Russia, and upon returning here they are fiercely Russophobic (not all, but many). Europe is already rejecting them: “The migrant workers are being driven back to their homeland, where the Ukrainian authorities need them even less than the foreign ones now. According to the International Organization for Migration, about 6,5 million Ukrainians live outside our country. This is 14,4% of the population of Ukraine. Most of those who left (67%) are men. The main countries of labor emigration are Russia, Germany, the USA, Israel, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland. IOM experts estimate that 54% of Ukrainian migrants work in construction, 17% in home care, 9% each in the agricultural sector and trade, another 6% in industry and 5% do other types of work. “Doors are closed” primarily for Ukrainians - traditionally inexpensive and high-quality workforce. The Czech Republic is convenient for our guest workers with a similar language and mentality - after all, the Slavs. Local officials acknowledge: The 200th Ukrainian labor diaspora is one of the largest in the country, if not the largest.Only last year, according to estimates by the head of the IOM representative office in our state, Manfred Profazi, the zarobitchers transferred home more than $ 5 billion - this is a comparable amount to external direct investment. The National Bank clarified that by the end of 2011 we are even talking about 7,2 billion dollars, or 4,3% of the country's GDP! Migrant workers and their families invest a little directly into the economy (about 3,3% of the indicated 5-7 billion), they do not especially create jobs, but rather “eat up” funds by purchasing consumer goods and expenses for other living needs (about 73% of the indicated amount)The outflow of economically active population against the background of aging and extinction of the rest of the nation is also a problem that is hardly seriously interested in our politicians. The standard of living in Ukraine, the dominant rules of doing business - this does not contribute to the arrival of people here, but quite the opposite. Http: //www.from-ua.com/voice/71033b2521b3d.html
        1. sergius60
          sergius60 April 19 2013 08: 59
          +3
          You are absolutely right. And so that the "galitsai" are not too hysterical and the emphasis is placed on the "voice acting" of the reasons - the fight against drugs.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 11: 17
          +4
          Quote: Kaa
          Aw! Nightmare! The evil Pu undermines the life of Galicia! This is sabotage! Half of the population will remain without work (the latter prefers Europe). This is Ukrainianophobia!

          Hi Kaa! Listen, maybe you can steer in Ukraine instead of Janek a couple of months laughing
          1. Kaa
            Kaa April 19 2013 13: 30
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            maybe you can steer in Ukraine

            It is, of course, tempting, but as a child I read books like "Shots in Dallas", and we have so many people killed here at the turn of the 90s - zero for Oboronexport, for politics. I'm not a coward ... but I'm afraid. I want to live to see the reunification of most countries originally from the USSR yes
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 19 2013 17: 02
              +3
              Quote: Kaa
              I'm not a coward, but I'm afraid

              Dare, we will give you parabellum laughing
              West will help us bully
              1. Kaa
                Kaa April 20 2013 00: 23
                0
                If the West - in the sense of Western Ukraine - then it is not necessary - "Yes, its grenades are of the wrong system!"
  5. UFO
    UFO April 19 2013 08: 20
    11
    Romodanovsky's idea +, Putin -. "The partners of the passport will not have time to print ...", and how much heroin will they have time to bring, and how many hundreds of thousands of them will be hiding here, and how much money and our economy will be taken out? ... angry
  6. djon3volta
    djon3volta April 19 2013 08: 22
    +1
    Putin has said this before that starting from January 1, 2015, only anyone will be able to enter the vehicle freely. Of course, it is not possible to isolate 100% of migrants (whoever makes a passport will travel), but the percentage of gastric people will definitely decrease.
    1. Kuzkin Batyan
      Kuzkin Batyan April 19 2013 09: 24
      +6
      They will make passports, that's just where they can only be for a while, then you need to leave. If violated, there will be deportation and a ban on entry into the country. But migrant workers will not be able to constantly cross the border there because of the stamp in the passport, there is not enough money. So they’re doing the right thing, but it would be better to introduce these passports this year.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 19 2013 10: 28
        0
        Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
        but it would be better to introduce these passports this year.

        Romodanovsky suggested that this measure be implemented within six months, but Putin said that in six months they would not even have time to print passports.
  7. Delink
    Delink April 19 2013 08: 25
    +4
    It was necessary to do this initially. And do not care what other countries said.
  8. Garrin
    Garrin April 19 2013 08: 25
    +5
    Putin proposed to ban entry to the CU countries without a passport from 2015,

    Until that time they will all move here. "Yesterday" still had to be entered, but if "yesterday" was not done, then "today" is for sure.
    1. mogus
      mogus April 19 2013 08: 43
      +3
      they are all here already. Recently I read an article that the influx from Central Asia was asleep. The reason is there is no one else to go. Who is younger and can still work.
      1. botur
        botur April 19 2013 09: 48
        +7
        Quote: mogus
        they are all here already

        And what prevents them from sending again for passports.
        1. Garrin
          Garrin April 19 2013 09: 50
          +1
          Quote: botur
          And what prevents them from sending again for passports.

          Class! good
      2. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 19 2013 10: 31
        0
        Quote: mogus
        The reason is there is no one else to go. Who is younger and can still work.

        if so, then I don’t observe any dominance. Who lives in Moscow and St. Petersburg can watch, I speak for myself and my city - there are migrants, but they are one in proportion to the local population. If Muscovites do not like them, let them hold pickets or rallies , and since there are no rallies, then it suits them. Logically? Logically!
  9. pensioner
    pensioner April 19 2013 08: 30
    +3
    Quote: horoh
    Why since 2015? Since 2014, since January, or even earlier !!!

    It is desirable that it ALREADY be. Yes, and you can probably enter the entry on foreign passports early. And some other filtering methods can be applied. In the hard version. And then a lot more can happen in 2 years. But yesterday I did not understand Ampilov at all. In the 80s-90s I remember him as a radical. And then "love your neighbor" is straightforward. True, I was under the guise and could not reflect. But he ruined my evening. Although it's stupid to worry about TV.
    1. Tartary
      Tartary April 19 2013 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: retired
      It is desirable that it was already. Yes, and you can probably early to enter the entry for passports. Yes, and some other filtering methods can be applied. In the hard version. And then in 2 years, much more can happen.

      I fully agree with you ...
      Quote: retired
      But yesterday I did not understand Ampilov at all. In the 80s-90s I remember him as a radical. And then "love your neighbor" is straightforward. True, I was under the guise and could not reflect. But he ruined my evening. Although it's stupid to worry about TV.

      Ampilov really muttered about something of his own, which is logically beyond the control of common sense ...

      But Zhirinovsky, as always on horseback, with a saber and her, and with the right word, strikes the opponent backward or makes everyone forget there, all their preparations at all, so even the advice of the seconds does not help ...

      It was disgusting to watch the famous artist in seconds - the father of "little Vera" - he looked so flawed together with Ampilov - he carried all kinds of crap when he got into the camera ... Ugh!
  10. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin April 19 2013 08: 38
    0
    Well, let's just say, "The ice is broken, gentlemen of the jury," good news.
    I think Russia is killing a few birds with one stone 1) the subscription to the entry into the Customs Union has been extended, 2) at least some kind of control, 3) the bureaucrats will have to pay taxes, and I think the list goes on. hi Hello.
  11. Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 April 19 2013 08: 38
    +3
    Everything is great, the offer is wonderful. Only GDP was 15 years late with him
  12. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin April 19 2013 08: 40
    +4
    Let's just say, "The ice is broken, gentlemen of the jury" good news.
    I think Russia is killing a few birds with one stone 1) the subscription to the entry into the CU has been extended, 2) at least some kind of control, 3) bureaucrats will have to pay taxes. hi Hello.
  13. Humpty
    Humpty April 19 2013 08: 48
    +2
    I think that entering on a passport is a half-measure, close to an air concussion. In our "kind of state" the mass of the people can easily and simply do without any passports at all, while local passports, under certain conditions, are sold by thousands of citizens of dubious states. Do you really think that in the same way it is impossible to acquire a quite decent passport?
    Recently, criminal authority was released from prison ahead of time (due to illness) and immediately flew by private plane to Russia, presumably to Grozny, so this is easy. Nor can they do without him in Russia.
    1. virm
      virm April 19 2013 09: 48
      0
      In countries Avg. Asia and Transcaucasia there are no foreign countries. passports. There is a single passport. Call it what you want - domestic or foreign. Here on it and now Asians and Caucasians enter the Russian Federation. So Putin’s idea is a profanation of pure water, another noodle on your ears dear Russians.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty April 19 2013 10: 32
        +4
        Quote: virm
        In countries Avg. Asia and Transcaucasia there are no foreign countries. passports. There is a single passport. Call it what you want - domestic or foreign. Here on it and now Asians and Caucasians enter the Russian Federation. So Putin’s idea is a profanation of pure water, another noodle on your ears dear Russians.

        Amazing news, only seven years as untrue
      2. Canep
        Canep April 19 2013 11: 39
        0
        In Kazakhstan there is a foreign country. You can get a passport for a little money 30-50 bucks, depending on the term of registration. And the internal document is an identity card, this is a plastic card similar to a bank card (in shape and size) with a photo, chip and barcode, for quickly reading identification data. Plastic is issued by almost 3 dollars for nothing, well, in tenge, of course.
  14. sergius60
    sergius60 April 19 2013 08: 48
    +9
    Yes, you learn to read in a diplomatic language, for God's sake. Drug is an occasion, albeit an important one. Key word - "Putin emphasized that this provision will not apply to citizens of the Customs Union ..." Therefore, time is given. Ripen guys, ripen. Ukraine has recently slightly raised duties on metal products. The classic carrot and stick method. Dear "Kaa" described the situation very accurately.
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich April 19 2013 09: 15
      +1
      I agree with you, and also note the following:
      From time immemorial in Russia it has been customary for subordinates to either overdo it or make badly out of hand. and the captain has to reason with his wards Jamshuts in manual mode. and in this case too: overdo it, here are the subordinates and indicate do not overdo it, otherwise you will break off the whole strategy.
  15. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 19 2013 08: 49
    +3
    That's right. If you haven't done this before, now it's not good to cut from the shoulder either. Let them think it over, work it out. So that it doesn't happen as always. First, they will do it, and then wonder that we have it again "through thorns to the stars" ...
  16. 123dv
    123dv April 19 2013 08: 51
    -2
    You very friendly support and say OKERS!
    But Ukraine completely falls out of your sight.
    Such a decision is made just enough to limit and streamline the flow of migrants from Central Asia, as much as to stimulate Ukraine to join the CU. It was she who needed time to maneuver. But, I think, not fate. Ukraine will fall out. Will not join, will not cope ...
    The Russian-Ukrainian border is already quite tough, and now it will become even worse. Up to 30 million ethnic Russians will simply fall out of a single cultural and social field. Well, or, so to speak, the distance will increase even more ...
    And so, step by step, by the beginning of the war, it will already be on the other side of the barricade, whatever one may say ....
    1. sergius60
      sergius60 April 19 2013 09: 12
      0
      Dear, please visit the website of the Ukrainian writer-journalist Oles Buzina. http://www.buzina.org/ Find out what the RUSSIANS are talking about under the "Galitsai" occupation.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel April 19 2013 12: 44
        +1
        Communicate with Elderberry, do not respect yourself. In the elderberry garden, and in Kiev ...

        ??? Common Changeling. Whoever pays more serves him. Bright representative of the second selling profession.
        A very clever decision by Putin. Close the border and tear apart families (Someone has counted how many families separated by the border live. Stupid decision because of Putin's overwhelming ambition. Let him calculate how Muslims will rush from Central Asia and further Muslims to "Orthodoxy" through Kazakhstan. between us. ”There will be a place for our Christians to flee from the horde of gentiles from the east and south.
  17. lav566
    lav566 April 19 2013 08: 52
    +3
    It’s half measure. She’s not doing anything. Previously, they came to domestic
    passports will now be traveling abroad.
    these passports will be printed and issued to everyone by the Russian Federation itself.
    As far as I understood from our troubled news, an agreement
    about this at least with Tajikistan achieved.
    A less complete control can only give
    visa regime, i.e. when the RF itself decides how much to let
    and what jobs these people can work on.
  18. Andrey57
    Andrey57 April 19 2013 08: 54
    +2
    Entrance to foreign passports will already cut off a decent portion of illegal immigrants, and as the Customs Union develops, a visa regime can also be introduced, then it will certainly be harder to play heroin ...
  19. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar April 19 2013 08: 55
    0
    Quote: Kohl
    Just what about the Russians who, by the will of fate, remained in Ukraine, for example, many elderly people. They need to go to relatives in Russia. Can you imagine what a mockery their going for passports for Ukrainian corrupt officials will turn into? Although in general, I support Putin’s proposal, it’s useless to fight illegal immigrants without this.

    Quote: Nesarya Nesvet
    Yes, do not care about them ... They have not itched for 20 years. How to babysit with children with them? They are all happy. The industrial east does not go to vote. So let them have what they seek. If they really wanted to be Russia, they would be.
  20. Mikhail Topor
    Mikhail Topor April 19 2013 08: 59
    +4
    Excellent measure to promote the brand "Customs Union" drinks
  21. Bugor
    Bugor April 19 2013 09: 01
    +7
    Do you seriously hope that the introduction of passports will somehow affect the drug trafficking? Or on the influx of migrants? And why, then, are there so many Chinese who are required to travel by passport in the east of the country, and unaccounted for too? And passportless Vietnamese sewing all kinds of rags, and other rubbish in clandestine factories? Forgot about them? Or well, let it remain so?
    View statistics on offenses among migrants from the CIS countries.
    quote: “The fight against crime related to foreign citizens does not lose its relevance,” the DepUR of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation noted, “In the past period, more than 28 thousand crimes were committed by foreigners. The greatest criminal activity is shown by citizens of the CIS member states, which committed 91% of the crimes out of the total number of crimes committed by foreigners. ” That's just all in Russia committed more than 1 MILLION 300 THOUSAND CRIMES !!! Count yourself how much will be 28 thousand?
    See how much they DO. A janitor in Moscow has not seen a Slavic appearance for a long time. It is not the residents of St. Petersburg who pour concrete at construction sites either. Something needs to be changed in the "kingdom of Denmark" itself, and not in the order of crossing the state border. We have the longest borders, can you imagine how many people live in the border towns and villages? And from our, and from "not our" side? And they work at each other's home. And now, since the 15th year, all these crowds will pour into OVIRs. Since we always do everything through the anus, people will go at the last moment. Queues, bribes and corruption again. Only practically legalized. And again, the head of the OVIR will build a house with three floors, or even with an elevator, and VVP will please us with fairy tales about how we began to live well. True, for some reason the district police officer will live better (another feeding trough will appear), and the FMS officers will get rich.
    And to me, a citizen of Russia, married to a citizen of Ukraine, this is an extra headache. And tourists will take our money to the Crimean resorts less, and relations between fraternal countries will not improve.
    You need to think with your head before voicing this. One lover of iPhones, already with his ppm, went back down, you look - for the Olympics and normal hours will do ...
  22. Northerner
    Northerner April 19 2013 09: 11
    +8
    YES, even after 2015, the situation will not change! Since, they all have a passport both foreign and domestic! They have special pages in their passports for border control marks! So, those authors who claim that 2015 is the year of the TS, and passports are just a prelude, are right! Indeed, they are all here, or rather in Moscow and St. Petersburg! And if our rulers want to expel all of them into their villages and villages overnight, then Russia simply does not have such an amount of transport, let alone money for a return ticket to everyone!
    P.S. Now, if we all who consider ourselves a patriot stop buying any goods from them, use their services, we will only hire our own people, and also support each other in every way! Then we will all witness that they themselves will be dumped in their villages, and the citizens of Russia, especially of retirement age, whose newcomers have now occupied a job niche, will breathe calmly!
    Yours!
  23. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX April 19 2013 09: 13
    +3
    What the fuck ... passport ??? Visa regime!!! And harder.
  24. lav566
    lav566 April 19 2013 09: 14
    13
    The visa regime must be introduced immediately, then it will be too late.
    In Moscow, there is already no passage from them. During working hours, they walk in crowds along the streets. At the metro station
    Komsomol-ring openly selling drugs.
    Police militia sitting around the corner in a glass booth
    pretends that nothing happens. I see this slander every
    day. It was about time for me our southern "brothers"
    and offered their services.
    Sly GDP again powders brains.
    1. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 19 2013 10: 31
      +2
      They of their own will NEVER leave Russia for their nosed auls.
  25. lubin
    lubin April 19 2013 09: 19
    0
    The news is great. If you want to live and work in the UNION, pay taxes in the UNION or join the union. We need qualified specialists. And without qualifications we have enough. hi
    1. virm
      virm April 19 2013 09: 54
      +3
      If this government, for the past 13 years, has only been engaged in the delivery of migrants to the Russian Federation, it is naive to hope that they will now do the exact opposite. While these people will be in the leadership of the state, including sun-faced, there will be more and more migrants in the Russian Federation.
      1. lubin
        lubin April 19 2013 12: 05
        +1
        Let's try to approach this rationally. I agree with you that the state in this case is also to blame, I do not deny it. But do not blame everything on it. It is economically viable for merchants to hire cheap labor from the former UNION than to pay decent salaries to RUSSIAN citizens. But for such commits, you have to put obstacles. They just live off at the expense of guest workers, and they do not care about the people, the main thing is to grab more. Here, in this regard, I support Putin. Personally, I’m tired of looking at how they rob and ruin my country. I have a great desire to see it prosperous, in the former borders of the USSR, and maybe more. Well, no one will build OUR COUNTRY for us, let alone guest workers. hi
  26. Hort
    Hort April 19 2013 09: 21
    +4
    for Central Asia, visas should also be introduced.
    And in order for the new law to be strictly implemented, it is indicative to put for 15 years 100-200 officials from the Federal Migration Service and illegal immigrants trying to get through without documents to shoot upon detection right there, in the border strip.
    For drugs found with you, you need to shoot without a court at all.
  27. opkozak
    opkozak April 19 2013 09: 31
    +4
    Quote: Egoza
    Although, of course, given all the troubles that come from visitors, such a measure is needed.

    All countries that control population immigration apply for this visa, with some exceptions. An example of the same Ukraine. Canadians of Ukrainian origin do not need a Ukrainian visa. Canadians of other nationalities are required to obtain a Ukrainian visa.
    So what is the question in Russia. You can enter visas for non-Russian nationalities (up to biometrics) and allow free entry for Russians, including from Ukraine to Russia. And the diplomatic corps of the Russian Federation on visas will earn extra money.
    1. virm
      virm April 19 2013 09: 56
      +1
      It was good and right - if it were as you say. But for this, our country must be Russia, not the Khazar RF.
  28. shpuntik
    shpuntik April 19 2013 09: 49
    +1
    OK! The vector is correct. The motto should be: "not a ruble abroad." Because we feed their families, people alien to us. And our own courtyards, we must take revenge ourselves, not the uncle of the Wakhabites. At one time, the janitor saw everything, knew everyone - the best assistant to the district police officer.
  29. Gromoff
    Gromoff April 19 2013 09: 53
    +4
    When I read comments supporting the initiative to introduce norms under which entry into the Russian Federation will be based on international passports, I am amazed!
    Especially when they think that they will infringe upon the ukronatsiks and push Yanukovych to join the TS.

    Here you need to understand simple truths:
    1) A passport in Ukraine is done in 2 weeks and costs a penny (about $ 100); So this in general does not represent ANY problem and will not represent;
    2) Zarobitchans of Ukraine (mostly galych!) ALL AS ONE, long time ago, have passports with which they go to work in Europe (to wash their asses with Italian, Spanish and other pensioners), but leave their internal passports here - in Ukraine, which are used in elections such as tyagnibokovskie or Timoshenko’s supporters.
    3) No way this timid, half-hearted measure will not affect the current leadership of Ukraine, on the issue of joining the CU. Here, with the introduction of passports nothing can be achieved - VISAS must be introduced! Only so, and not otherwise!

    And most importantly, not to make mistakes, and not to support the entry of Ukraine into the Customs Union as an observer. This step will not affect the Euro-orientation of the current ruling elite, but it will deceive the residents of the Southeast, who, by naivety, will consider the status of observers to be non-binding, for moving in the right direction (towards rapprochement with Russia). This will be a deception of the Yanukovych clique of both its voters and Russian partners.
    Can you even understand this?
    1. lav566
      lav566 April 19 2013 11: 31
      +2
      The introduction of passports does not aim at
      move Ukraine towards TS. This measure has first of all
      "south direction".
  30. nod739
    nod739 April 19 2013 09: 55
    +3
    Quote: lav566
    It’s half measure. She’s not doing anything. Previously, they came to domestic
    passports will now be traveling overseas


    You are absolutely right
    illegal immigrants are not sifted through the sieve
    you pass the border - love border control!

    it’s not even half measure, it’s a quarter measure, if not less

    Most likely this is the beginning, then there will be visas and quotas ...
  31. pensioner
    pensioner April 19 2013 10: 29
    +5
    Quote: GromOFF
    When I read comments supporting the initiative to introduce norms under which entry into the Russian Federation will be based on international passports, I am amazed!

    It seems to me that this measure is least directed against the Ukrainians. They do not create special problems. In the North there are many hard workers from Ukraine. Intelligent engineers - full. Basically - not Galicia. They speak Russian like us, just listening to them is more fun. Problems are created by people from Wed. Asia and Tajikistan. That's who you have to fight with. In E-burg, almost 100% of heroin and Taj-ana. The Dushamba-Moscow train has finally been canceled. Still, to ban planes. On foot - please.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 April 19 2013 12: 28
      0
      I absolutely agree with you
    2. virm
      virm April 19 2013 13: 29
      +1
      "On foot - please." -)))
      I think they are taking a walk on foot.
  32. Whitehorse
    Whitehorse April 19 2013 10: 44
    0
    Still, a visa regime with Ukraine and an intra-visa regime with the Caucasus - it would be quite suitable to eat.
    1. virm
      virm April 19 2013 13: 30
      0
      Ukraine is what annoyed you?
  33. Vtel
    Vtel April 19 2013 10: 52
    0
    Right now the market for trade in foreign passports will open. But in general, you have to start with something.
    1. Gromoff
      Gromoff April 19 2013 11: 11
      0
      What is the trading market?
      Registration of passports is the prerogative of only the state. These are passport desks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the OVIR.
      No one else can have a relationship with this.
      1. Technocrat
        Technocrat April 19 2013 20: 14
        0
        As far as I know, a passport in Ukraine is issued by a certain private shop, EDAPS.
  34. Chukcha
    Chukcha April 19 2013 11: 15
    0
    Many in this thread supported the introduction of a visa regime.
    I believe this will be the next step. Not all at once.
  35. lav566
    lav566 April 19 2013 11: 22
    +2
    I think for our brothers Ukrainians need to make an exception-
    leave the existing entry procedure in the Russian Federation.
    1. Whitehorse
      Whitehorse April 19 2013 11: 25
      -1
      Quote: lav566
      I think an exception should be made for our brothers Ukrainians

      In the car Stolypin and deport to hell, if there is no citizenship of the Russian Federation.
      1. Canep
        Canep April 19 2013 11: 42
        -3
        For migrant workers from Ukraine it is generally necessary to introduce a strict visa regime so that the government does not look at the EU, but enters into the customs union.
    2. virm
      virm April 19 2013 13: 32
      0
      Still, to facilitate the hiring. For example, as Belarusians. Our people live there, temporarily divorced from Russia.
  36. pa_nik
    pa_nik April 19 2013 11: 51
    0
    It is a pity that, among other things, political influence on the governments of the respective countries is traditionally produced in the simplest way: through ordinary people, through the population of these countries. Any decision should be weighed according to the principle: "measure once, one cut".
    1. virm
      virm April 19 2013 13: 34
      +2
      First of all, you need to think about your own population. And not about foreigners. There is not a single sane reason why Russia is benefiting from the current influx of Gaster. Only cons.
  37. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 19 2013 12: 14
    +2
    Nonsense is complete, the Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Uzbeks have long been abroad. they come to passports, Kazakhs sometimes go on an internal passport. so again one idle talk ...
  38. Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 April 19 2013 12: 17
    +3
    Passports never stopped anyone. So they will bring down, but with passports. No one will stop the Chinese. But it will be problematic to go to the Crimea. And in the summer, the middle class can even see the sea there. And 35% of Russian officers graduating from 1991-1993 with parents in Ukraine do not get to their parents at all. Having permissions of forms 1 and 2 is generally hopeless. But the parents are already elderly. And it’s not their trouble that in 1991 the three madmen signed the Bialowieza Agreement. And not so frantic nationalists there. I’ve been relaxing in Ukraine for 25 years with my parents with my Siberian wife and everything is OK. But in Western Ukraine and in Soviet times there were problems. It’s time to openly talk about the fact that there are no separately Belarusian, Ukrainian and separately Russian people. These are chimeras who created to the joy of the enemies of a united Russia-Russia. There is one people - the Russian people. Bismarck said that the power of Russia can only be undermined by separating Ukraine from it and opposing it to Russia, pitting two parts of a single people in a fratricidal war. And for this it is necessary “to find and nurture traitors among the national elite”, with its help to change the self-awareness of one part of the Russian people “to the extent that he will hate everything Russian, hate his family, not realizing it.”
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 19 2013 12: 30
      0
      Quote: Oberst_71
      And 35% of the Russian officers of the releases of 1991 -1993 of the year having parents in Ukraine do not get to the parents at all.

      Departure of military personnel does not depend much on the availability of a passport, because under current law, in any case, permission of the command is issued for each exit.
  39. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter April 19 2013 12: 26
    +3
    however, Putin noted that “in six months, our partners will not have time to print foreign passports for their citizens”

    Does it turn out that "partners" are more expensive for Putin than Russian citizens?
    Quote: GromOFF
    the introduction of passports does not achieve anything - you must enter VISA! Only so, and not otherwise!

    And a security deposit for deportation, who does not have it - labor camps to work out the costs of deportation and maintenance in the camp.
    1. virm
      virm April 19 2013 13: 40
      0
      Only unmarried women under 30 and married men over 40 should be admitted. They must live in a special room. designated areas. Which you can’t leave. Only if at the workplace. Deliver them there by special vehicles. On the other hand, they can be provided with honey. insurance, pension contributions, legal support.
      But by and large, the country itself must do everything. There is something unhealthy and wrong with the use of Gaster labor.
  40. pensioner
    pensioner April 19 2013 13: 52
    0
    Quote: Tartary
    I fully agree with you ...

    Thank you, dear, otherwise I was really not sure of my adequacy.
  41. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus April 19 2013 15: 45
    +1
    And I have a civilian citizen of Ukraine, a wedding in August, and now what?
    Although he makes an amendment "except for the countries that are members of the customs union," which in fact means the use of not only a carrot, but also a stick in a lure to a new union. On the one hand, it is correct, the time has come to be determined, on the other hand, as always, everything is done not thoughtfully, through Zh..PU
  42. seller trucks
    seller trucks April 19 2013 16: 08
    0
    Quote: feanor
    unregistered personalities in the country is located, from here increasing drug trafficking


    drugs are delivered to Russia not by illegal migrants, only a fraction, but in automobile semi-trailers and 40 foot containers.
  43. YaRusich
    YaRusich April 19 2013 16: 30
    +4
    They would simply enter entry visas and all matters. I want to give out, I want not to give out, the reasons for not receiving were not disclosed. It will immediately become clear who is friend, who is enemy.
  44. 501Legion
    501Legion April 19 2013 17: 13
    +1
    Well, it’s disingenuous
    those who need it have long been overseas and have an internal
    though I am a citizen of another country, but FOR making members of the CU abroad
  45. cyberdamn
    cyberdamn April 19 2013 17: 35
    +2
    why is it only by 2015? it would be necessary to do everything by the end of 2013
  46. bazillius
    bazillius April 19 2013 22: 21
    0
    Ay-ah, how not tolerant! They have already said about Ukraine - clearly - they will be upset: now it is possible, according to European standards. But what about the Baltic republics, oh countries. TS in the face of a HUGE and evil Russia, with such a decision, to put it mildly, spits on all general democratic values.
    And by the way, there will be a speech in defense of the restrained guest workers Michael McFaul.
  47. anton107798
    anton107798 April 19 2013 22: 39
    -1
    Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
    Yes, do not care about them ...

    Wow I'm so happy! It is only necessary for Ukraine to adopt the same law, and immediately become less Belgorod on the street ...
  48. DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA April 20 2013 08: 10
    +1
    Life - it will teach, life - will show. At least - it’s at least somehow, at least by a small number, but it will still reduce the influx of some freaks who are not going to work, but not doing good things.
  49. pinecone
    pinecone April 20 2013 16: 39
    0
    Such measures should fall like snow on his head. The announcement of the date of the introduction of the new rules one and a half years before the start of their action further stimulates the influx of completely unnecessary foreigners here. We are becoming a minority on our own land. Only the introduction of a strict visa regime will be able to suspend this process. IMMEDIATELY. Let them print new passports, but before a certain date. After that, the CURTAIN.
  50. darksoul
    darksoul April 21 2013 21: 02
    +1
    FORBID ENTRY !!!! only in this way, visa passports and other documents can open another feeding trough for our corrupt officials. Or, as I already wrote, to allow entry for qualified specialists with knowledge of the Russian language and RESPECT !!! our culture. Guest workers are a cheap labor force that knocks down the salaries of domestic specialists, and adds sad statistics to the reports on crime and drug addiction.