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Oil has fallen, or old problems in the innovation economy of Russia

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And again, the Russian economy demonstrates its dubious sharpening. Over the past months, oil prices have steadily gone down. If the world met the new 2013 year with a price in the 110 area of ​​dollars per barrel of crude oil, and then also stated that the price of “black gold” was rising, then from mid-February the rise in prices was replaced by a fall in prices. The absolute record was recorded in February - then the price per barrel of Brent crude oil was 118,01 dollars. Today, hydrocarbon prices have reached an absolute annual minimum, dropping below 98 dollars per barrel. Oil prices are going down, and our ruble has also begun to fever: it has lost all its positions won over the past couple of years both in relation to the dollar and in relation to the European currency.


It would seem, well, so that we are from the fact that oil "collapsed" by 17% over a two-month period? Yes, outwardly, nothing, if you do not take into account the fact that we are citizens of a state that positions itself as a segment of the global economy. And in this very segment there is a budget, the fulfillment of which is “tied” to a positive in terms of oil prices on the world market. The layout of the budget at one time was carried out in such a way that all the implementation of the programs laid down in it was joined to the 97-dollar price of one oil barrel. Today, as you can see, the price of "black gold" has come close to this mark, beyond which there is absolutely nothing good for the Russian economy. The fall in oil prices below 97 dollars per barrel will affect literally all economic sectors, which we have not long since experienced.

I do not want to indulge in memories of a negative nature, but in this case, it seems, you can not do without them. The last such sharp drop in hydrocarbon prices in the world was observed when we were announced that the world was facing a global financial crisis. The consequences of that crisis are remembered by everyone: from problems with the banking sector to astronomical figures of falling production levels. The Russian financial and production sector then saved from a complete economic collapse, except perhaps the so-called reserve fund is, in fact, a big jug, which was reserved for a rainy day. Black day came in 2008, and the reserve fund began to rapidly lose their volumes. To demonstrate the dynamics with which the reserve fund of the Russian Federation narrowed and dried out, you need to cite the figures: in June 2008, the total amount of this fund was 3,07 trillion rubles, in June 2011 of the year - already 745 billion. In other words, the country's reserve fund for the three crisis years lost about 2,3 trillion rubles - almost three-quarters of its money supply.

If you translate your attention to the state of the reserve fund now, then its volume is about 2,6 trillion rubles. Of course, this is also a good “economic safety cushion” for the Russian financial system, but if something like the crisis wave of 2008-2011 is again approaching the global economy, there is hardly anything left in the same reserve fund.

And the fact that again smelled of a crisis breeze is a fact. A significant drop in oil prices is just one of the signs. But the main sign of the impending crisis, experts believe even more impressive fall in gold prices. Even in the era of the previous crisis wave, prices for solar metal did not fall so rapidly. The current trend in gold prices is as follows: in September 2011, the price per troy ounce was US $ 1864,15, today it is already US $ 1373. It should be borne in mind that the price fell by almost 200 US dollars per ounce in the last month alone. Experts attribute such a rapid fall in gold prices by lower demand for gold in India, whose economy has traditionally used the gold production sector for its development. However, the fall in the demand for gold from India has been going on for about a year and a half, but the price for gold has not yet demonstrated such a grand peak. It turns out that the fall in gold prices is hardly worth linking exclusively with Indian manufacturing companies.

With regard to what is the cause of such a significant subsidence of goods, let's say, classical currency substitution (of previous eras), many experts say that the essence is to be found at the US Federal Reserve system. There ends the programs of the so-called quantitative stimulation, which all this time looked like artificially created levers of economic control, which means that crisis bacilli again penetrate markets open to all winds. It turns out that as soon as the economy is allowed to float freely (according to all market laws), this very economy immediately demonstrates its unviability. Here it is worth making the following analogy: it is suddenly decided to discharge the unfinished patient from the hospital, stating that he can also stitch the seam after surgery at home; the pale patient, holding the seam with his hands, stumbles toward the house, but loses consciousness at the very front door. At the same time, the “doctors” look into their hospital window and ponder what to do with this patient: take him back to the clinic and spend money on his treatment, or let him calmly sleep ...

So far, apparently, thoughts about the fate of the world economy continue, and at this very time, let's say, lies on the asphalt ...

At the same time on the territory of the Russian Federation begins a certain stir among the people who, one way or another, are responsible for the fate of the Russian financial system. Initially it was thought that now no crisis could be terrible for us, since Russia had joined the WTO since August of last year. Like, what kind of crisis is there, if the markets are always filled with inexpensive goods, generating a high level of competition and leading to an increase in production, lower prices and an increase in the purchasing power of ordinary citizens?

But now it turns out that the WTO protects Russia from the global crisis in much the same way that a gasoline canister that is right inside the car protects the driver of the car from the negative consequences of a traffic accident. Speaking of gasoline ...

While oil prices are breaking new records of falling, gasoline prices in the vast majority of Russian regions strangely remain the same, and in some places they even manage to grow. So, for example, the price of a liter of gasoline AI-95 at many gas stations of the company "Lukoil" in Central Russia has exceeded the 32 ruble. This is about 15-20% higher than the average gasoline price in the United States of America. Needless to say that the income of Russians living, for example, in the Kursk or Voronezh regions, is several times lower than the income of residents of the states of Kansas or Michigan. According to recent estimates by one of the automotive publications, the average Russian can buy about 840 liters of gasoline AI-95 for his salary, the average German - 1818 liters, and an American - almost 3400 liters. And despite the fact that the United States at times loses to Russia in terms of oil reserves, and oil production in Germany in terms of volumes with the Russian level of production of “black gold” generally cannot be compared ...

Refueling at one of the petrol stations, they decided to cope with it: why oil is getting cheaper, and at the same time, gasoline does not think of getting cheaper. The employee of the gas station responded cheerfully that gas is now being sold, which is made from the oil that cost more ... But then another question: why, as soon as oil grows at least a cent per barrel, gasoline immediately adds to the price. Really, in this case, gasoline, which falls on the gas station, already have time to "boil down" of the more expensive oil. There is no answer to this question. Well, except that some major expert in the field of economics will say that, they say, the market and all that ... They say that the cost of freight services suddenly soared, or the oil companies suddenly decided to spend money on the introduction of new technologies ... real profanation of all economic laws. Although the laws themselves are far from fulfilling everything.

In general, the oddities of the disproportionality of gasoline prices and oil prices in our country do not cease to amaze, just as the weirdness of our accession to the WTO also ceases to amaze. It seems to be expected better, but here - on you! Indeed, the number of goods has increased (according to monitoring agency estimates), but for some reason the price of these products does not even think to fall. And where is the declared reduction in price from increasing the level of competition?

Moreover, mainly imported goods appear on the shelves as a “replacement”. According to the monitoring of retail chains, the level of imports has increased by more than 2013% since January 12. And if Russia has already managed to get used to Chinese imports without joining the WTO, now, it seems, the whole essence of competition is reduced to rivalry for the Russian market of China and other countries. The Russian manufacturer of this competition is somehow inadvertently knocked out. An eloquent example: hypermarket trading network. I went to buy a gift for a child. Gift - a doll (price tag made in China). Well, oh well, I think what to do if our Piggy with Stepashki are more expensive in 4 times. I saw a bottle of soap bubbles on the shelf. I decided: buy what is called, as a supplement. The label itself on the bottle is bright, colorful with Russian inscription “Soap bubbles”, and the producer is Italy ...

So here it is, it turns out where the dog competition is buried. For our children and for our finances, the Chinese are now struggling with the Italians, and we need to make our choice, which economy to support: the EU economy or the Middle Kingdom? .. Our support is too expensive ... And while this trend continues, any a jump in prices on the world market (at least for oil, at least for gold, even for radish) will be like a big bang on the head.
Analytical program "However" with Mikhail Leontyev, 18 April 2013

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  1. predator.3
    predator.3 April 19 2013 08: 53
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    as the scripture says: time to scatter stones, and time to collect these same stones! It’s just that a big game began in the world to buy up the rest of the gold, naturally lowering the rate of this metal first, because when the dollar bubble (16-17 trillion) collapses, whoever has more gold will remain in the trump cards.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim April 19 2013 08: 58
      +2
      Quote: predator.3
      whoever has more gold will remain in the trump cards.

      The United States has so far the most, but China is skipping along. If we could find royal gold, the stash of the country would be bigger.
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 April 19 2013 09: 05
        +5
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        If we could find royal gold, the stash of the country would be bigger.

        And what to look for him, it settled in Japanese banks.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 09: 35
          13
          Quote: Allex28
          And what to look for him, it settled in Japanese banks.

          Exactly there. They agree to return. Only the real masters and modern Russia do not consider it to be such. There, without interest flowing over 100 years, about 100 billion Baku gold. I think the Japanese have long since let it down in the Second World War, and therefore it is launched.
          Kurilov they wanted (smailik of three fingers)
          1. Aleks28
            Aleks28 April 19 2013 09: 50
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Kurilov they wanted

            Kurilov, from the word smoke, so let our bamboo and smoke. laughing
          2. fartfraer
            fartfraer April 19 2013 10: 28
            +1
            "To return agree. Only to the real owners" - considering that the USSR is not the legal successor of the Republic of Ingushetia, but the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR (and also not the legal successor of the Republic of Ingushetia), then this gold can be forgotten for a long time, as well as about Alaska.
            1. Patriot of Russia
              Patriot of Russia April 19 2013 18: 57
              +3
              on the other hand, the news may turn out to be good. with a sharp collapse in oil prices, this rotten mafia-corruption-thieves regime (because only high energy prices allow it to exist for so long) will collapse sharply and the country will finally have a chance to take a different path of development
              http://open-eyes-russia.com/video/viewvideo/99/-------.html
      2. krasin
        krasin April 19 2013 09: 13
        +5
        Kolyma, Chukotka, D. Vostok, everything in gold is true, everything is demonized with the Democrats, but everything can be revived - we won’t be left without gold. You can’t worry about it. But the one-sided economy is something that should worry. But we hope for Chubais , that he will create nano and we will be in coachmen !! fellow
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 19 2013 09: 31
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        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Oh, would we find royal gold


        Yes, a fool (it's not about you) at least find a glass member, he’ll break one thing and cut his hands.

        We must work and invest in the country of grandmother and not in the Cypriot economy


        1. zvereok
          zvereok April 19 2013 11: 01
          +6
          Oh, we find out over the years from declassified archives how many different VEBs have lost treasury bills in Cyprus. Won Medvedev, too, with a fool began to be indignant at first that they say that the state did denyuzhki in Cyprus ?, only fell silent quickly, more intelligent people explained what was happening.
      4. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg April 19 2013 11: 39
        +3
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        The United States has so far the most, but China is skipping along. If we could find royal gold, the stash of the country would be bigger.


        The United States, as always, will get the most out of it. Take any fact about the United States and it turns out that half the lies, and the second half is doubtful. It’s like with a fluffy cat - big, round, and so it’s inflated so stashny. A bucket of water will spill on it and a stupid physique resembling a bicycle appears. That's the same with the United States, but it’s not possible to shed a bucket - the cat has pouted, it's scary ...
      5. itr
        itr April 19 2013 13: 23
        +2
        Damn only in Russia people think about how to find but not how to make money. Or maybe you just have to make everyone work in China?
        I think in Russia there are many unrealized projects. And oil has fallen so this is the season gentlemen spring. Right now they will start with the Big Six, most of all yelling about freedom of speech and democracy. Shut up by September (the heating season has begun)
        1. DAEDALUS
          DAEDALUS April 19 2013 22: 44
          0
          Quote: itr
          Or maybe you just have to make everyone work in China?

          The main principle of the command economy is 100% employment.
      6. lucidlook
        lucidlook April 19 2013 13: 45
        +1
        Or return Stalin.
      7. Gregazov
        Gregazov April 19 2013 14: 53
        +1
        But who will give it back?
    2. Russian
      Russian April 19 2013 09: 03
      +9
      How much talk was there that our economy is highly dependent on oil, and where are some shifts? Nothing has been done! And I’m generally silent about the price of gasoline in our country! In the largest exporter in the world, prices are higher than in their importing countries, shame! GAZPROM-public property, ridiculously simple.
      Regarding the WTO, it was immediately clear that there would be nothing good for us from joining, but no, they had been waiting for so many years, and yet they finally entered, there was so much happiness. Only now, all our domestic manufacturers are on favorable terms, who is entering this way ?! As usual, people are not thought of.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 09: 39
        +6
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        there was so much happiness.

        Something I did not see on the happiness forums about this, there were a few cheers of patriots who shouted their cheers and that’s all! Now they are not visible and not heard negative
      2. lucidlook
        lucidlook April 19 2013 18: 10
        +1
        Here is the dynamics of the "golden" oil price. Do you have any questions about prosperity, breakthrough, development, modernization, etc.?
      3. imperiolist
        imperiolist April 19 2013 20: 10
        +3
        The saddest thing is that Russia is constantly ruled by several people, the people of Russia, no one asks their opinion (for example, about the WTO) (
    3. lucidlook
      lucidlook April 19 2013 13: 45
      0
      The price of gold is falling because supply is rising. Some countries sell, others buy. The question is who exactly and in what quantity? Obviously, those countries that really need to fix their finances, who have budget problems for one reason or another, and who urgently need money.

      For example: “In the next few months, Cyprus plans to sell part of its gold reserves, but this decision requires the approval of the Central Bank, said the Minister of Finance of Cyprus Haris Georgiadis.

      See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/business/news.asp?id=302002 "
    4. imperiolist
      imperiolist April 19 2013 20: 13
      +2
      I’ll say as an economist: the modern economic model will lead us all into a dead end, only the world planned economy will save the world! People will work and get decent pay for their work and not hold gay parades and swamp meetings
  2. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 19 2013 09: 03
    +4
    An interesting article, I recommend reading the book by P. Schweitzer "Victory. Secret US strategy for the collapse of the USSR." I must say right away that it is unpleasant to read, because there are a lot of negative statements by Western leaders, incl. Mrs Thatcher, who left us, addressed the USSR and the Russian people in particular, but it describes in detail the actions of the United States in Afghanistan, the clandestine assistance to Polish Solidarity, the collapse of oil prices, which should still alert us, Star Wars, Gorbachev's rag and much other.
  3. mogus
    mogus April 19 2013 09: 06
    +1
    the price of oil and gold is ruled on Wall Street. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! A lot of dollars are being printed now, so it should depreciate and everything they measure should go up (more wrappers should give for the same unit). But the opposite is happening, so someone needs it. Purpose? Show that the dollar is still valid and we can bring down the economy of any country.
    I think they are resisting the development of BRICS (they decided to organize their own IMF rival bank). The dollar is gradually withdrawn from circulation http://mixednews.ru/archives/34274 (Australia, being 12
    the largest world
    economy joined
    to a growing list of countries
    agreed to refuse
    dollar in bilateral trade with China. China,
    being the second largest
    world economy after the USA,
    also has similar
    agreements with Japan (3
    place), Brazil (6th place), India (9th place) and Russia
    (10th place). Although unilateral
    some agreement
    time took place between
    China and listed
    higher countries last
    BRICS week agreed to create a development bank,
    which will compete with
    IMF, which indicates that
    it is created for
    activities in
    "Post-dollar" world. In addition, Brazil,
    which some time
    back gave a principled
    consent to get away from the dollar in
    bilateral trade with
    China, just made it official, creating
    annual $ 30-
    billionth currency
    swap to be
    facilitate
    approximately 50 percent of the trade between them. In addition to these agreements with
    China, some of these
    countries signed the same
    agreement with each other.
    India and Japan in 2011
    founded a $ 15 billion swap in their currencies for
    bilateral
    trade. And sanctions against
    Iran did not stop him
    oil trading with China,
    Russia and India in anything but the dollar.)
    1. Kaa
      Kaa April 19 2013 09: 23
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      Quote: mogus
      the price of oil and gold is ruled on Wall Street.
      For now, yes, and then the price of oil will be dictated by nature. “According to the latest satellite data, the Gulf Stream no longer exists. The entire system of the North Atlantic sea currents is a key element of the planet's thermal regulation, allowing Ireland and England to be ice-free and the Scandinavian countries not to be too cold. This is what protected the whole world from a new ice age - the thermohaline circulation system - has now died in several places and is dying in other areas. The Gulf Stream is a “river” with warm water that moved through the Atlantic Ocean, reached Murmansk and heated Europe its heat, while protecting it from polar winds. In Germany, for two consecutive months (during November and December 2010), stable snow cover of about 10 cm thick remains, which has not been there for many decades, and there are frosts unusual for these places, reaching at night minus 20 ° С. There were no thaws typical of the beginning of winter this year. The “warm water” river that flows from the Caribbean does not reach Western Europe, it dies due to corexitis - a chemical substance that the Barack Obama administration has allowed the British Petroleum concern to use to conceal the scale of the disaster caused by the drill platforms last April. About 2 million gallons of corexite, as well as several million gallons of other dispersants, added to over 200 million gallons of crude oil that spilled over the course of several months from a BP-drilled well at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. Thus, it was possible to effectively hide most of the oil, lowering it to the bottom, and hoping that BP would be able to seriously reduce the size of the federal fine, depending on the size of the oil disaster. At present, there are no ways to effectively “clean” the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf of Mexico conveyor ceased to exist this fall, recent satellite data clearly shows that there is no Gulf Stream at present, it is starting to break apart and die about 250 kilometers east of the coast of North Carolinawhile the width of the Atlantic Ocean at this latitude exceeds 5000 km. A new ice age can begin at any time (and there is still no spring at the moment, despite the fact that April is in the yard (02.04.2013/2/3), it will begin with glaciation in North America, Europe and Asia, perhaps even this winter . A new ice age could kill XNUMX/XNUMX of the human race in the first year in the event of a quick start; if everything happens slowly, most likely, it will kill close to this amount, but simply within a few years! “Today, Gulf Stream temperature measurements between 76 and 47 meridians show that it is 10 degrees Celsius colder than it was in the same period last year. Accordingly, we can talk about the existence of a direct causal relationship between the stop of the warm Ring current in the Gulf of Mexico and the temperature drop of the Gulf Stream. ” http://travelsplanet.net/publikatsii/novosti/item/827-golfstrima-bolshe-net?.htm
      l WHAT WILL WE HEAT, EXPENSIVE OIL OR PRINTED PRODUCTS FRS?
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 19 2013 09: 46
        0
        Quote: Kaa
        it is a chemical that the Barack Obama administration allowed the British Petroleum Group (BP) to use to conceal the scale of the disaster caused by the explosion of a drilling platform in April last year.

        The “Beacon of Democracy and the Standard of Humanism" of the planet Earth - the United States of America (they present themselves to such suckers from the rest of the World), in the person of their President Bush Jr. went even further. About 1600 American scientists admitted that they were either forbidden to use the terms “climate change” and “global warming” in their writings, or they edited the materials before publication in the right way.
        As a result, very few people know about the real state of things, including the leaders of most countries.

        Due to the ongoing processes of freezing in Europe and the USA, desertification of agricultural regions, each person from the “golden billion” will have to spend more by 3-4 thousand dollars a year (3-4 trillion dollars), adapt the infrastructure - another 15-20 trillion, support it in working condition in the winter - another couple of trillions of “green” ones. But this is not the worst. The worst thing is that you have to take the missing heat somewhere for winter heating of a billion people and feed these "gold". Let me remind you that now grain yield in Europe-USA is 60-85 kg / ha, and will be 15-20 kg / ha, now they export 150 million tons. cereals per year, and it will be necessary to purchase somewhere around the same amount of grain per year. And there began a feverish, secret preparation for a climatic collapse, sharply accelerated thanks to the comrades Obama and uncles from British Petroleum.
        http://www.dynacon.ru/content/articles/526/?sphrase_id=123165
      2. mogus
        mogus April 19 2013 10: 01
        +3
        i read about it. Also came across an article that in the places of the oil spill, bacteria feeding on oil have multiplied. Everything would be fine, but the absorbent is a great hindrance to the bacteria (because of it, the oil became heavy and went into the silt, where bacteria cannot live), so generously sprinkled (there are oil outlets at the bottom of Baikal, but they do not reach the surface, they burst everything it's a matter of bacteria). After some time, nature will cleanse itself, but the question is, can the golf stream "start"?
      3. Karabin
        Karabin April 19 2013 13: 03
        +6
        Quote: Kaa
        So far, yes, and then nature will dictate the price of oil.

        The emission center will always dictate the price, but it is not with us yet. The version of cooling of the golf stream that you have presented has the right to life, however, like the others, no less believable, but more optimistic. But the article is not about that. And your message is not to pay attention to the negative for the economy and budget from falling prices, but to focus on waiting for a new ice age, where we will become a world hegemon with hydrocarbons. Well, first of all, if you do not tell me, even with the version voiced by you, it takes time. And secondly, there is no certainty that the Putin team’s policies contribute to this. Accession to the WTO, joint development with Western oilfield companies, the sale of Rosneft’s stake to BP and Putin’s desire to see Rosneft as a co-owner of another such player, further privatization of strategic structures, confirmation of this. I’m already keeping silent about the elite’s lawlessness and educational debilitation, which, on the other hand, have fallen into disgust, which, by the way, also fits into the outline of the weakening of the state.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass April 19 2013 09: 40
      +4
      "The dollar is now being printed sooooo much, which means it should depreciate and everything that is measured for it should rise in price (more candy wrappers should be given for the same unit). But the opposite happens, so someone needs it."- everything is very simple, freshly printed dollars are quickly withdrawn from the US economy, therefore, the commodity-money balance is always normal inside the economy ... voila and there is no inflation for you ... Why is such a gas cheap in the USA ?? And because we give them oil, and they give us ... their excess money supply ..
  4. Dejavu
    Dejavu April 19 2013 09: 07
    +7
    "Butt on the head" ... Excuse me, but what did you want? All currencies in the world are somehow tied to the dollar, and if the states are bent, it will be "good" for everyone without exception. Regarding imports, I don’t know anything, I eat Amur chickens, but local milk, and my own potatoes, it remains only to buy matches and salt and at least three crises. In the spring I will plant more potatoes, since such a gimp is spinning. :)
    1. maksuta
      maksuta April 19 2013 12: 48
      +4
      similarly. only I will bring a cow from my mother-in-law, I’ll sow some hay and I spit on oil of all grades.
  5. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI April 19 2013 09: 09
    +6
    A new attempt is now to ruin the economy of RUSSIA by old methods.
    Nothing is new under the Moon - the reception is old and famous.
    But I still think oil prices are not the most important thing in the Russian economy.
    Much will depend on the behavior of the Kremlin leadership.
    I'm more afraid of Dmitry Anatolyevich with his oh policy - he and his ministers can harm RUSSIA much more than lower oil prices.
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 April 19 2013 09: 16
      -1
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      A new attempt is now to ruin the economy of RUSSIA by old methods.

      And it’s good that the old methods. We have already learned how to deal with them, and perhaps foresee.
    2. marsavin.yu
      marsavin.yu April 19 2013 09: 59
      +1
      Don’t be afraid. The scare will stop as soon as the crisis presses us well. DAM plays a role, and everything will turn differently once it smells fried.
    3. maksuta
      maksuta April 19 2013 12: 50
      +1
      who or what prevents to remove it? to whom to change?
  6. Forget
    Forget April 19 2013 09: 15
    +3
    I think that in order to get rid of the influence of foreign markets and financial disasters, it is necessary to make a part of the economy, namely in the field of energy production. Oil prices are falling, we are sending it to the domestic market to build up cheap energy, but if we grow, we are sending it to the external.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok April 19 2013 21: 08
      +1
      Cheap energy in the domestic market is an opportunity to compensate for the inflation of the costs of our production (while it still remains). China has advantages - a lot of cheap labor. We have cheap energy that will allow the WTO to covertly subsidize industry, but for now, repair corruption and increase competitiveness. The idea would be interesting, only I do not believe our government.
  7. djon3volta
    djon3volta April 19 2013 09: 24
    -9
    According to estimates recently made by one of the automotive publications, an average Russian can buy about 840 liters of Ai-95 gasoline on his salary, an average German can buy 1818 liters, and an American can buy almost 3400 liters.

    25 again, as they say. okay, now tell me, at the price of rubles in Venezuela, gasoline costs 50 cents.Question - people, non-settlement, Venezuelans are they happy with this ??? what is the population’s satisfaction measured in? What is the price of gas? Well, if you are talking about the price of gas and how much it can be bought for the average salary, let's bet what happiness or misfortune of the population. if you drink this gas, then yes, it depends whether you are full or not. I personally drink water and milk, the rest I don’t know what they drink. By the way, in Venezuela a liter of water is more expensive than a liter of gasoline, this is for information.

    sometimes I also like to ask a terrible question, it’s rarely true. but I’ll specially ask))) remember before the crisis of 2008, the dollar slipped to 23 rubles? Now I have a terrible question - to what level would the dollar go down if the crisis did not happen? wassat I even have a terrible answer, the dollar would now be worth less than 20 rubles at the same prices and salaries.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 09: 43
      +9
      Quote: djon3volta
      Now tell me, at the price of rubles in Venezuela, gas costs 50 kopecks. Question - people, non-settlement, Venezuelans, are they happy from this ???

      And I have a counter question, but the price of gasoline in our country, which doesn’t export a drop of oil, is fair in relation to its people? Or Mr. / Comrade John doesn’t come to understand that many prices for goods depend on the price of gas.
      And you don’t need to measure happiness with money - it is not measurable!
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 19 2013 10: 19
        11 th
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And I have a counter question

        By asking a question, do you know who likes to answer? I think you know. You didn’t answer my question, I’m not going to answer yours either. You put a minus to me, I put a minus to you. We are all counting.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 10: 31
          +3
          Quote: djon3volta
          .y set me a minus, I put you a minus

          No, vice versa! I didn’t give you a minus, there you got a minus from another person. And now I charged you in return.
          As regards the question, I replied that happiness is not measured by money, but Mr. John, as I understand it, has absolutely nothing to answer for you, since any of your answers will be a pebble to the MOST garden !!! wink Difficult to recognize reality - true bully
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta April 19 2013 11: 26
            -6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            that happiness is not measured by money

            To this I will answer you this way - not the one who is rich is happy, but the one who is enough! Someone is missing 100 thousand, someone is 10 thousand missing. Do you understand what I mean? If you work and you are not enough, then you are aching, but I don’t whine because I have enough. but that doesn’t mean that I have 50 or 100 thousand a month, and you’re 15-20 thousand. The situation can be just the opposite, you have 50 thousand and you’re aching, I have 15 thousand and I’m satisfied enough for me. now understand?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 13: 10
              +2
              Quote: djon3volta
              , you have 50 thousand and you whine, I have 15 thousand and I am satisfied

              You think about your beloved and don’t notice anything around you. This is your difficulty. This is the principle of saving the drowning, the work of the drowning laughing
              so John, I have enough money, but it's a shame for the power!
            2. kris
              kris April 19 2013 17: 45
              -1
              Quote: djon3volta
              15 I have a thousand and I am satisfied, I have enough. Now is it clear?

              And you as children keep on 15 thousand.
              Teach please!
            3. kris
              kris April 19 2013 17: 47
              -1
              Quote: djon3volta
              15 I have thousand and are satisfied, I have enough

              And you as children keep on 15 thousand.
              Teach please!
            4. kris
              kris April 19 2013 17: 54
              +4
              Quote: djon3volta
              I have thousands of 15 and am satisfied, I have enough. Is that clear now?

              teach how two children on 15 thousand. contain.
          2. atalef
            atalef April 19 2013 12: 15
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Regarding the question, I replied that happiness is not measured by money

            Alexander agrees, but by their quantity. laughing
            In general, it is better to be healthy and rich than poor and sick.
            Good morning, everyone (although you have Alexander, probably it's already been a day drinks
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 13: 06
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Good morning, everyone (although you have Alexander, probably it's already been a day

              Hi! Where is 67? He came at night and promised to milk a beer, where he wears it again angry
              1. atalef
                atalef April 19 2013 13: 14
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Hi! Where is 67? He came at night and promised to milk a beer, where he wears it again

                He probably sleeps after the labors of the righteous and even coffee (which he sniffs like 0 cocaine does not help and he is cut down in the morning. I need him too, I took the shelves for his kitchen here, but he doesn’t respond. What time do you open the Skype Bar? and I’ll take part, though I don’t drink beer, but Corvoisier always has drinks
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 13: 21
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  . What time do you open the Skype Bar?

                  And hell knows, said how I wake up so soon, maybe rushed to the store for aniselaughing
                  1. atalef
                    atalef April 19 2013 13: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And hell knows, said how I wake up so soon, maybe rushed to the store for anise

                    Nope. called him now. not sheep. may have fallen asleep under the fence halfway behind the anise laughing
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 19 2013 10: 40
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And I have a counter question, but the price of gasoline in our country, which doesn’t export a drop of oil, is fair in relation to its people?


        To the people, but for top managers of oil companies more than. because the amount of premiums depends on it

        Lukoil starts selling gasoline. Due to the fall in oil prices, the company reduces fuel prices throughout the chain - from refineries to gas stations
        Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Shatalov said last week that the level of prices for gas stations in the country does not correspond to the market - "about 2-3 rubles higher", and oilmen receive from this super award. Now Lukoil has announced that it has been reducing prices for various types of motor fuel in Russia since April 18. The company explains this decision as falling prices for oil and oil products on world markets. The last time the company cut prices more than a year ago - in early March 2012 - for gasoline AI-92 at its gas stations in Moscow and the region. Urals from the beginning of February to the current moment has fallen in price by 18% - from $ 117,65 to $ 96,48 per barrel
        Lukoil is still the first Russian company that is trying to implement the world practice of flexible response to external conditions, which indicates the growth of social responsibility of NK, Elena Chernoletskaya believes.
        Should we expect such "responsible behavior" from other Russian companies? The MFC analyst is not sure about that. “Already now, the Ministry of Finance is talking about the possibility of increasing excise taxes on gasoline, therefore, other companies will most likely want to wait - whether such a rate will be introduced,” Chernoletskaya argues. “In addition, the drop in oil prices in the current quarter will negatively affect the income of companies. moreover, the production cost in Russia is quite high. "
        source link
        Damn, I’ll specially find the Lukoil refueling today and see how they reduced prices there.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 11: 13
          +3
          Quote: Ascetic

          Lukoil starts selling gasoline.

          Yeah, damn it, they lowered the price by 25 kopecks, this is not a sale, but a mockery.
      3. Atrix
        Atrix April 19 2013 10: 52
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Or Mr. / Comrade John doesn’t come to understand that many prices for goods depend on the price of gas.

        It is useless to conduct a discussion with him; he does not understand simple truths. And he already answered that the price of gasoline does not affect the goods.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 11: 15
          0
          Quote: Atrix
          . And he already answered that the price of gasoline does not affect the goods.

          Well, maybe he’ll sit or think from below winked
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta April 19 2013 11: 40
            -7
            In short, Putin will rule the country until May 2018. Even if you put 1000 minuses, Putin will still remain in the Kremlin until 2018. Putin will not resign from your minuses, and Kvachkov will sit as much as he was given, Khodorkovsky too. more than 10% will not gain. I hope they will imprison bulk, I really hope. They put Khodorkovsky and so what? Putin was scared? ))) Vobschem glory to Russia, glory to Putin !!! three times URA fellow
            1. sanyabasik
              sanyabasik April 19 2013 11: 54
              0
              Quote: djon3volta
              vobschem glory to Russia, glory to Putin !!! three times URA
            2. optimist
              optimist April 19 2013 12: 05
              +5
              "And you will be cured ..." Do you really believe that ???
              1. Normal
                Normal April 19 2013 13: 01
                +5
                Quote: optimist
                "And you will be cured ..."

                Alas, this is not to be treated ...
                1. optimist
                  optimist April 19 2013 14: 16
                  +2
                  With certain methods of "treatment" - it is quite possible !!! (I’m an Optimist after all !!! laughing )
            3. sanyabasik
              sanyabasik April 19 2013 12: 16
              0
              Quote: djon3volta
              In short, Putin will rule the country until May 2018. Even if you put 1000 minuses, Putin will still remain in the Kremlin until 2018. Putin will not resign from your minuses, and Kvachkov will sit as much as he was given, Khodorkovsky too. more than 10% will not gain. I hope they will imprison bulk, I really hope. They put Khodorkovsky and so what? Putin was scared? ))) Vobschem glory to Russia, glory to Putin !!! three times URA fellow
            4. Normal
              Normal April 19 2013 18: 25
              +2
              Quote: djon3volta
              three times URA

              Oh, John ... You have no idea how wrong you are. Not quite right from the other side.
              Quote: djon3volta
              Putin will rule the country until May 2018

              No, John. Putin will rule for as long as he lives. He does not have the opportunity to transfer power to anyone - they will devour it. They will devour their own. So he will not go anywhere from the "galley" either in 2018 or in 2024. But how long will he be able to hold on to power in conditions of limited resources, legal lawlessness, all-embracing corruption and other delights of the system that he himself built? You can give money to the cops and the military and they will be on guard, but there was never enough money for everyone. You can corrupt young people with consumerism and a sweet life, and they will go to a rally in support of GDP. But without a Goal and prospects, young people will quickly understand that they are being led by the nose.
              You can put Navalny in and not release Khodorkovsky, you can keep Kvachkov in prison until death. But for the period that Putin was going to rule, there will inevitably be others.
              Will Putin be able to keep the country from a social explosion with his friends pursuing liberal policies while enriching a strictly limited number of his accomplices?
              I have serious doubts ....
              1. djon3volta
                djon3volta April 21 2013 13: 25
                -6
                Quote: Normal
                Will Putin be able to keep the country from a social explosion

                he’ll be able to. there will be no social explosion. no one will lead the hamsters, do not even dream. and besides them no one else’s mouth is blowing. on the Internet you can shoot Putin, plant him, depose him, etc. Putin is not Internet sits, and in the Kremlin, where your dirty little hands never reach. The maximum you can take a walk near the walls of the Kremlin, you will never get inside.
            5. zvereok
              zvereok April 19 2013 21: 16
              +1
              And glory to his effective managers Ivanov and Serdyukov !!! ... pah mlyn, amen.
    2. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 19 2013 11: 01
      +3
      Quote: djon3volta
      average German - 1818 liters

      Complete nonsense - it turns out that a simple hard worker in Germany receives more than 3000 Jews belay Shoot the editor of this automotive publication fool
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 19 2013 11: 33
        0
        Quote: Allex28
        that a simple hard worker in Germany receives more than 3000 Jews

        well, maybe someone gets it somewhere, but again everyone immediately forgets what taxes they have, prices for housing and communal services and food, cigarettes and clothes, the same gasoline for 1.7 euros, and what ultimately remains from these 3 thousand euros? 3 thousand euros it’s like getting 20-25 rubles in Russia. I wrote something like that, talked with a friend, lives in Germany, works as a hairdresser, earns 1200-1300 euros a month, rents a hut for 500 euros, and how much she has on life? in Germany it’s not living in Saratov or Perm, in Saratov you can live for 10 rubles a thousand, and in Germany for 1000 euros your legs will go quickly.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 April 19 2013 12: 12
          +3
          Quote: djon3volta
          djon3volta

          That's for the fact that now John has 3 minuses rolled, because the correct comments. I don’t know for Saratov, but in Germany almost 100% hit, or without reading "aaaa john catch minus"
        2. atalef
          atalef April 19 2013 12: 21
          +4
          Quote: djon3volta
          and in Germany on 1000 the euro will stretch your legs quickly.

          Prices for products in Germany are lower than in Russia and the family (my good friends) who earn (it is 2500, it is 2300 Euro) have a quite acceptable level of life expectancy. Living near Munich, renting an 3 apartment, 2 cars, 2 trips abroad a year, etc. Of course you can’t get rid of (before the EU) they definitely lived better, But even now they’re definitely not in poverty.
          1. Aleks28
            Aleks28 April 19 2013 12: 29
            0
            Quote: atalef
            family (my good friends) earning (he is 2500, she is 2300

            And where do your friends work?
      2. atalef
        atalef April 19 2013 12: 17
        0
        Quote: Allex28
        Complete nonsense - it turns out that a simple hard worker in Germany receives more than 3000 Jews

        from 2500 and above.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 April 19 2013 12: 19
          0
          Quote: atalef
          from 2500 and above.

          Have you been to Germany for a long time?
          1. atalef
            atalef April 19 2013 12: 27
            +3
            Quote: Allex28
            Have you been to Germany for a long time?

            In the past year . Mr. Badibeling (near Munich) He works in a factory producing toilet lids laughing (someone should let them out) She winds coils for the automotive industry commissioned by Bosch. In Germany with 1991, we came from Kazakhstan (their whole village was transported there) We constantly communicate on Skype and once in 2-3 of the year they came to us and we went to him. So that I am in the subject.
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 April 19 2013 12: 36
              0
              Quote: atalef
              So that I am in the subject.

              Your topic is weak, the average salary of an unskilled worker in Germany from 1000 to 1200 Jews, and emigrants can only rely on it.
              1. atalef
                atalef April 19 2013 12: 48
                +1
                Quote: Allex28
                Your topic is weak, the average salary of an unskilled worker in Germany from 1000 to 1200 Jews, and emigrants can only rely on it.

                And about not qualified speech is out of the question (or do you think that all of Germany is not skilled workers belay )
                He’s an engineer (railroad), of course, he could hardly find anything better in his town, but there (at the factory) he has been working for over 20 years and at least hasn’t climbed the 9 service ladder, which is extremely difficult for emigrants in Germany) to earn his hard-earned money. Like her, her 2500 coiling 2300 years old.
                Whether they are immigrants after 22 years of life in Germany, the question is already debatable.
                But you somehow decided that the whole of Germany is an unskilled emigrant (maybe of course this is your circle), but 2500 Euro per month is the normal salary of a skilled worker. (I’m not talking about certified specialists. Everything is much higher there) speech. I mean a German education with access to independent work. hi
                1. Aleks28
                  Aleks28 April 19 2013 13: 06
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  He is an engineer (railwayman)

                  Yes, they wanted to spit on our education.
                  Quote: atalef
                  earns his hard earned 2500. Like her, her 2300 shaking 20 years of the coil.

                  They are probably the ones who live at work, there are some, you ask them about the net salary, then everything will fall into place. Yes, they are unlikely to answer you honestly.
                  Quote: atalef
                  Whether they are immigrants after 22 years of life in Germany, the question is already debatable.

                  They will not become Germans either, or even their children.
                  Quote: atalef
                  But you somehow decided that the whole of Germany is unskilled immigrants

                  But it’s practically the case, there are truths and those who have retrained, but these are more likely exceptions.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef April 19 2013 13: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Allex28
                    Yes, they wanted to spit on our education.

                    Yes, Germany is not Israel (here education is confirmed automatically. With the issuance of a local diploma). But, unlearn in Germany, although difficult, but possible, it all depends on desire.

                    Quote: Allex28
                    They are probably the ones who live at work, there are some, you ask them about the net salary, then everything will fall into place. Yes, they are unlikely to answer you honestly.

                    They work on shifts, and the conversation was about net income, what's the point of talking about gross. I have such a gross. that few people dream of, but you won’t go to the store with gross.

                    Quote: Allex28
                    They will never become Germans, and even their children

                    They are of course (although I would say that the first years puffed up. But after 7 they left this venture) It is easier with children, they are of course Germans, they were brought at the age of 2 and 5 years. But in general, society in Germany is extremely conservative. beyond smiles and Guten Morgen. it doesn’t go and is not allowed to

                    Quote: Allex28
                    itata: atalef
                    But you somehow decided that the whole of Germany is unskilled immigrants
                    And it’s practically the case, there are truths and those who relearn, but these are rather exceptions

                    Well do not. For example, specialists from Siemens, AEG and Areva constantly come to us (we purchase their equipment) - Germans, highly qualified specialists. salary from 6000 and higher. In Germany, there are different and there are some more specialists.
                    1. Aleks28
                      Aleks28 April 19 2013 14: 01
                      -1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Well do not. For example, specialists from Siemens, AEG and Areva constantly come to us (we purchase their equipment) - Germans, highly qualified specialists. salary from 6000 and higher. In Germany, there are different and there are some more specialists.

                      But in my opinion it was not about all the inhabitants of Germany, but only about our brother. Of course, Germany is full of specialists as in any other country. Here is just an example from the house where I live. We have 6 apartments for them: one pensioner, engineer- manager (Pre), process engineer (Black Forest), accountant (city bank), accountant (deutsche bank) owner of a chain of jewelers Peter, master setter prom robots. Well, I'm a loader laughing
                  2. Atrix
                    Atrix April 19 2013 13: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Allex28
                    Quote: atalef
                    But you somehow decided that the whole of Germany is unskilled immigrants

                    But it’s practically the case, there are truths and those who have retrained, but these are more likely exceptions.

                    Listen, do you even understand what you are reading? The man asked the question why did you decide that everything German citizens Are these not skilled workers? And did the article say somewhere that all emigrants receive an average of 3000 euros?
                    1. Aleks28
                      Aleks28 April 19 2013 13: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: Atrix

                      Listen, do you even understand what you are reading? The man asked the question. Why did you decide that all German citizens are not skilled workers? And did the article say somewhere that all emigrants receive an average of 3000 euros?

                      In my opinion, you need to write out glasses. Read the comments carefully.
              2. Atrix
                Atrix April 19 2013 13: 25
                +2
                Quote: Allex28
                Your topic is weak, the average salary of an unskilled worker in Germany from 1000 to 1200 Jews, and emigrants can only rely on it.

                What do emigrants or unskilled workers have to do with the average salary in Germany? Or in Russia a non-skilled worker or an emigrant can count on a big salary?
                And you will not prove to anyone that in Germany people live worse than in Russia.
                1. Aleks28
                  Aleks28 April 19 2013 14: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Atrix
                  And you will not prove to anyone that in Germany people live worse than in Russia.

                  And I'm not going to prove it.
                2. sibircat
                  sibircat April 19 2013 14: 15
                  +4
                  Quote: Atrix
                  And you will not prove to anyone that in Germany people live worse than in Russia.

                  Let me get into your sweet conversation. A case from life: 1994, the wife went to Munich to visit her friend (a classmate married a German), came and tells. At the table, the conversation turned to who is doing what. This German worked as a pilot, he drove the chief of Europe in a private plane, it’s clear that they have a cottage, 2 cars, a wife with children, does not work. He learned that my married to an officer wound up, like the officer is cool, he envies military pilots, he is just a cabman. My modestly kept silent about our financial situation, but experienced a sense of pride.
                  Why am I talking about this?
                  In all civilized countries you have a good education, you will have a good job and decent pay for your work.
                  And in Russia through the looking glass, those who steal the most live well.
      3. Atrix
        Atrix April 19 2013 13: 18
        +2
        Quote: Allex28
        Quote: djon3volta
        average German - 1818 liters

        Complete nonsense - it turns out that a simple hard worker in Germany receives more than 3000 Jews belay Shoot the editor of this automotive publication fool


        Of the employees in Germany, the highest average salaries (from 5 to 7 thousand euros per month) are from doctors, pilots, judges and various business consultants. Between 4 and 5 thousand are engineers of precision mechanics and optics, electrical engineers, physicists, chemists, pharmacists, middle managers and lawyers. On average, from 3 to 4 thousand euros per month in Germany are received by IT workers, architects and civil engineers, teachers of universities, schools and gymnasiums, journalists and editors, sales managers, bank employees, electric and auto technicians. A little less than 3 thousand a month get German police.

        The average income (2100 € -2800 €) in Germany is provided by veterinarians, translators, insurance workers, medical nurses and nurses, secretaries, painters, electricians, instructors in driving schools, joiners, locksmiths, kindergarten teachers, medical assistants, dental technicians, crane operators , builders, realtors and brokers, accountants and social workers.

        German photographers, plumbers, soldiers, truck and bus drivers, postal workers, butchers, radio and television masters, gardeners, bakers, hotline employees, physiotherapists receive about 2 thousand euros per month.

        From 1600 € to 1800 € per month on average in Germany are confectioners, movers, sellers, watchmen, cooks, cashiers, medical assistants. Waiters, taxi drivers and janitors earn less than 1600 €.
  8. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 April 19 2013 09: 24
    +1
    Quote: Allex28
    And what to look for him, it settled in Japanese banks.

    Only who will give it back. They will say everything went to pay off the debts of the "white movement" (there are all kinds of weapons, food, again the participation of invaders of all stripes to restore democracy).
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 19 2013 10: 44
      0
      Quote: Alekseir162

      Only who will give it back. They will say everything went to pay off the debts of the "white movement" (there are all kinds of weapons, food, again the participation of invaders of all stripes to restore democracy).

      What was in the mattress-foggy banks went to the white movement, and they are supposedly ready to return this, but to the rightful owner, which is the Emperor of Russia. That is, to return the gold, it remains to fulfill a "small" formality, namely, return to the Romanovs Russian throne.
  9. SCS
    SCS April 19 2013 09: 28
    +5
    - "A Russian can buy about 840 liters of AI-95 gasoline with his wages, an average German - 1818 liters, and an American - almost 3400 liters."
    ---
    Hmm, this is not fair! and from the screen every day we are informed about some kind of public property ...... request
    1. SCS
      SCS April 19 2013 10: 24
      +2
      Quote: SCS
      - "A Russian can buy about 840 liters of AI-95 gasoline with his wages, an average German - 1818 liters, and an American - almost 3400 liters."
      ---
      Hmm, this is not fair! and from the screen every day we are informed about some popular commons ...... request

      oh, sorry, national ...
  10. Oleg1986
    Oleg1986 April 19 2013 09: 29
    +6
    And against this background, the iPhone joyfully reports on all the good. And the Duma’s chain dogs only wave their tails. And the decline in the field of high-tech industries (electronics, semiconductors) is 70-80% compared to the beginning of 2012. In the negative production of machine tools, tractors, trucks. Only meat harvesting is breaking records - this, you see, farmers get rid of excess cows and pigs.
    At the expense of the WTO - there is something no drop in prices and is not observed, despite the fact that they are now buying much cheaper goods.
    What are these liberals waiting for? Not tired of balancing GDP, catering to both this and that?
    1. Xtra1l
      Xtra1l April 19 2013 11: 57
      +2
      I need to drive the iPhone. I felt fame and power, and its laws and projects failed. Take Skolkovo what he was so proud of. The other day, searches, but about the fact that we will feed the whole world, because in the domestic economy they don’t sell better than the fresh ones
  11. Suhov
    Suhov April 19 2013 09: 30
    +4
    What we have:
    this is not a market, but a real profanity of all economic laws
    .
    The conditions have been created under which engaging in production is not profitable!

    Fresh example:

    Since 2013, the total cost of insurance contributions for compulsory pension and medical insurance for self-employed amounted to 35664,70 rubles, while in 2012 this amount amounted to 17208,25 rubles.

    A more than twofold increase in mandatory payments could not but affect the activities of individual entrepreneurs.

    The small business, which they officially want to develop, abandons entrepreneurial activity based on the initiatives that have been taken.

    According to the information of the tax service and the Pension Fund, deductions from individual entrepreneurs as of January 2013 decreased by almost 2 times.

    First, give people the opportunity to earn money, and only then collect contributions. And here again they begin to milk the cow, which no one feeds.
    1. smart ass
      smart ass April 19 2013 11: 46
      0
      For a long time already about this topic, see above)))
  12. Ivan.
    Ivan. April 19 2013 09: 48
    +3
    Every cloud has a silver lining - maybe the consequence of any downfalls there will be the restoration of order in the economy. The author somehow superficially said about the twitching of prices, but meanwhile everyone already knows that the twitching occurs by the strings. I can't hear about innovations anymore, maybe before introducing technologies, factories will build or restore destroyed ones, or maybe they repeat that they would get used to the word INN-ovation? In general, the article is superficial but with a positive connotation - since this "crisis" is so clumsy and hastily organized, it means our "friends" are running out of steam, and here we also need not to blunder
  13. Ascetic
    Ascetic April 19 2013 10: 14
    +3
    “Oil of Russia”, 18.04.13/15/20, Moscow, XNUMX:XNUMX The current drop in world oil prices is temporary and short-term. This opinion was expressed today in an interview with corr. ITAR-TASS representative of the London Intercontinental Futures Exchange.

    "Markets were scared by the data that China's economic growth dropped to 7,7% in the first quarter," said exchange employee John Simson. "However, the situation has now stabilized. The business world is concluding that China is entering a new growth model when the emphasis done on domestic consumption. And that means that China's high oil demand expected to continue"
    .

    Oil prices have been depressed in recent weeks by the fact that demand from a number of the largest oil refineries, which are currently undergoing routine maintenance, has decreased. In the very near future they will resume production and, having returned to the market, will begin to purchase oil again, experts say.

    "For the next six months, the price of a barrel of Brent blend will remain at $ 100."
    - says Michael Wittner, head of the analytical energy department of the Societe Generale bank. In his opinion, in the near future, one should expect a strengthening of the trend towards an increase in oil prices.

    Last Wednesday, the price of a barrel of Brent mix fell in London to 97,69 dollars. Today, trading began with a new fall in prices, but soon there was a change in trends, and oil went up. By 13:15 Moscow time, a barrel of oil in the British capital was already worth $ 100,39, - reports http://www.biztass.ru.

    information from the site "Oil of Russia"
    1. Normal
      Normal April 19 2013 14: 09
      0
      Ascetic
      Greetings, Stanislav.
      I also think that all these increases and decreases in oil prices are not a reason to worry so much, to make gloomy forecasts and not comforting conclusions.
      How many knows for sure what will happen to energy prices tomorrow or the day after tomorrow?
      But what do we know for sure? The fact that high prices do not give the positive effect that we would like to hope for.
      Consumer prices are always rising. Prices for state monopoly services are always rising. Payment of housing and communal services is growing and will always grow.
      The number of billionaires and their condition is growing and will continue to grow regardless of oil prices. And only inflation, according to the assurances of those in power, is reduced or, in extreme cases, does not increase.
      Some kind of stagnation in the economy has formed and there is no feeling that everything will work out, the crisis will end and everything will be fine. There is no clarity and understanding of the future path.
      Or maybe it's just my subjective attitude?
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 19 2013 18: 19
        -1
        The normal thing is that the pension in 1999 in Russia was measured in $ 18, everything was $ 62, and the salary is $ 13, is that okay ??? estimate also the 55% tax on salaries, it will remain $ 600, is that normal? And now there are pensions in Russia 1600 rubles ??? and salaries 2000-600 rubles, are there such salaries? Especially pensioners have 600 rubles pensions? Are they there or not? I’m one billion percent sure that there are no pensions in Russia XNUMX rubles. But it was, and not so long ago, remind me when ???
        1. Normal
          Normal April 19 2013 18: 56
          +2
          Quote: djon3volta
          Normal, what if the pension at 1999 in Russia was measured in $, only $ 18, but the salary of $ 62, is that normal?

          For the sake of completeness, it is necessary to recall not only the level of salaries and pensions, but also the price level. As well as the state of public health and the social sphere in general.
          John, I do not deny that the standard of living has increased compared to 90 mi. But I do not consider this a merit of Putin. I think that if, for example, Primakov was the president, then the situation in the country would be much better now.
        2. optimist
          optimist April 19 2013 19: 46
          0
          Do you still remember that under Ivan the Terrible it was ...
        3. zvereok
          zvereok April 19 2013 21: 15
          0
          I do not dispute the first term Putin was especially good. Forced the oligarchs to pay to the treasury, but what a lot of that "Nazianalized". Isn't it time to repeat?
      2. zvereok
        zvereok April 19 2013 21: 11
        0
        Inflation did not rise after Putin postponed tariff increases before the election. T.O. Every year the Government signs inflation with its own hands, and then pretends to fight it ... Well, you really need to do something with it.
    2. zvereok
      zvereok April 19 2013 20: 54
      0
      As far as I know, by May, oil was at the peak of its value, since the holiday season began in the evil empire. Now, with unemployment, the peak has apparently moved closer to mid-March and during the current period, oil will become cheaper in July (unless some sort of zaruosh starts). What will happen in late summer and early fall is hard to imagine, but in theory the fiscal year in the USA ends, we calculate the losses and add another trillion to our debt. All this goes under the circus performance in Congress.
  14. fartfraer
    fartfraer April 19 2013 10: 35
    0
    "We have already learned how to deal with them, and maybe to foresee." - perhaps we have learned to foresee, but to fight ... there is a very controversial question) controlling the Arabs, the states will overturn the economy of the Russian Federation at once, it is not at all difficult. If I am not mistaken here ( in the USSR and after in the Russian Federation), in the late 70s, an increase in dependence on the export of petroleum products began, and in the modern Russian Federation there is no longer the industrial power that was in the Union, this Yeltsin and after Putin's rule is ruining the remnants (but so far not everything has been destroyed, opk seems to be still breathing).
  15. INTER
    INTER April 19 2013 10: 35
    0
    Quote: krasin
    But we hope in Chubais that he will create nano and will be in coachmen !!

    Hope for Chubais himself. We already hoped for it once, I think that's enough!
  16. Chukcha
    Chukcha April 19 2013 10: 50
    0
    In general, the oddities of the disproportionality of gas prices and oil prices in our country do not cease to amaze, just as the oddities of our entry into the WTO do not cease to amaze.

    This state of affairs does not surprise me at all. Just everything is natural - the difference between cheap oil and expensive gasoline brings more profit to the entire producing and producing oil chain.
    The entire oil business is very happy.
  17. Region65
    Region65 April 19 2013 10: 51
    0
    author, you forgive me, of course, but would you go to your friend Zhore Bushev at a ranch in the USA, Russia doesn’t sit on an oil needle, and even a drop in oil of up to 50 bucks OUR COUNTRY (not yours, mind you) absolutely like a drum for you I didn’t want to, so you propert with your
    another sensation "go shave your legs. And, by the way, you don't need to say that I'm a boor, it's just that you, the enemies of the people, are tedious to kick your feet personally, and if YOU were in front of me now, I would do just that. By the way, if there is a desire - I can write the address, you will come and wash.
    1. Grey74
      Grey74 April 19 2013 12: 53
      0
      It’s not sad, but you’re wrong) with the price of 50 tanks for oil, there will be nothing left from our economy, okay, if you don’t tear the country into pieces again
  18. rpek32
    rpek32 April 19 2013 10: 55
    +2
    One clever person expressed a clever idea long ago: only idiotto will sell crude oil, while it is more profitable to sell gasoline and other derivatives of oil
    1. Atrix
      Atrix April 19 2013 13: 37
      0
      Quote: rpek32
      One clever person expressed a clever idea long ago: only idiotto will sell crude oil, while it is more profitable to sell gasoline and other derivatives of oil

      And who needs it? Lukoil or maybe Rosneft? In order to sell gasoline or oil derivatives it is necessary to invest money in the construction of new factories, and they took it pumped out at minimal cost, they took it, they sold it, they got profit and they are not interested in anything else recourse
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 19 2013 18: 21
        -4
        and that in Russia they supply gas from abroad? If only Belarus .. we drive oil at 60 bucks to them ..
  19. nod739
    nod739 April 19 2013 11: 00
    +1
    Quote: krasin
    Kolyma, Chukotka, D. Vostok, everything in gold is true, everything is demonized with the Democrats, but everything can be revived, we won’t be left without gold.

    Have you seen how gold is mined ???
    it is SLAVE, almost hard labor, and there is no guarantee that income will be higher than expenses during the season.
    not to mention that the cream where it was 2-5-25 grams per tonne has already been skimmed for a long time, now if 0,2 grams per tonne have - it’s not bad.
    and a little rainy summer, the water is high - you’ll wash the horseradish so as to recoup the costs

    otherwise, they would have been washed for a long time without problems, and over 20 years the gold reserves of the Russian Federation increased by about 500 tons
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas April 19 2013 12: 06
      +1
      Here the situation is more complicated. Gold mining is carried out according to quotas established by the state. And because the state is the only buyer of gold, it is impossible to reclaim quotas above, they simply will not pay. Six years ago, Putin came to the Far East, a representative of gold miners with hope in his voice asked to increase quotas for gold mining, and in return silence.
    2. Grey74
      Grey74 April 19 2013 12: 56
      0
      I saw. Normally they get it. You can ask Sovman where he’s going. Since Soviet times, he has been co-operating in Siberia.
  20. 120352
    120352 April 19 2013 11: 13
    -2
    No matter how the "economy" of Russia falls now. Which is not. And there are only pieces of paper cut for dirty goo ...
    1. Grey74
      Grey74 April 19 2013 12: 57
      0
      Let's drink for the RUSSIAN ECONOMY! without clinking glasses.
  21. nod739
    nod739 April 19 2013 11: 28
    +1
    In general, here

    let's say we lost 20 Baku per barrel, roughly 100 bucks per ton, export a little more than 100 million tons
    in other words, a loss of just over 10 billion green

    To restore parity in the economy, you need to sell aircraft and tanks for the missing amount!
    1. Klim
      Klim April 19 2013 18: 53
      +1
      In general, for good, the opposition of Saudi Arabia and Qatar should be helped with arms, then oil prices will definitely go up.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok April 19 2013 20: 42
        +1
        Ummm ... It’s not a ride, the people there have a share of natural rent, and not like ours - the oligarchs have a state, and the state has a people. Of course there is a share of those who are dissatisfied, but not many.
  22. rennim
    rennim April 19 2013 11: 37
    +1
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    If we could find royal gold, the stash of the country would be bigger.


    If they had found it. It’s just. Firstly, we won’t know about it. Secondly, nothing will fall from the people. There are those who will get it without us ... In the country, corruption has not yet been defeated.
  23. optimist
    optimist April 19 2013 11: 37
    +2
    As the saying goes, a silver lining! The only real chance to throw off GDP with "friends" is a sharp and deep drop in commodity prices. Then finally our "chosen by God" people will understand that "the king is naked !!!".
    1. Atrix
      Atrix April 19 2013 13: 42
      0
      Quote: optimist
      As the saying goes, a silver lining! The only real chance to throw off GDP with "friends" is a sharp and deep drop in commodity prices. Then finally our "chosen by God" people will understand that "the king is naked !!!".

      I think Russia will not survive another shock.
      Better yet, just less piz..dit money to officials. You are simply surprised when an official lives on a salary of 100 thousand because people who earn 10-20 times more cannot afford it. And everyone is happy with everything, and they just talk about the fight against corruption, make people out of idiots, don't people see how officials live from small bribe takers to governors and ministers.
      1. optimist
        optimist April 19 2013 14: 25
        0
        I am also afraid of this .. In the sense that he will not survive ... But here is a direct analogy with a drug addict: either get off the "oil needle", or die in the near future from an "overdose". You can also draw an analogy with a cancer patient: if you do not perform an operation, -100% will bend. And if you do, there is a chance to survive. It is understandable: no one wants to die ... But personally, I would agree to die in a civil war than to know that in 30-40 years my descendants will either die from a shitty life, or they will be slaves of the black-and-white. puffy and narrow-eyed. In 41, 27 million dead also had a chance to stay alive: they would surrender to Hitler, you look, and they would have survived. Only now we are still living precisely thanks to these 27 million of our dead ancestors ...
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 19 2013 18: 30
      -4
      Quote: optimist
      The only real chance to throw off GDP with "friends" is a sharp and deep drop in commodity prices.

      I generally think it is necessary to completely stop selling oil and gas! At once everyone's salaries and pensions will increase! And appoint Nemtsov, Navalny as Prime Minister, Udaltsov as an idiologist, Sobchak of a ministry of culture, Chirikov of a ministry of finances and so on, let's live! fellow complete freedom of rallies, gay parades, on May 9, cancel, separate Chechnya from the Russian Federation, Siberia to sell to America, and put a monument of gold on red square on the money received by Navalny!
      this is exactly what you want, they’re only afraid to write it openly, but I’m not afraid and I’ll voice your optimist thoughts.

      don’t think, my friend, that even if the oil price drops to $ 60, the people stand on their hind legs, sweep Putin and put a liberal or commie, this will not happen, everything is already destined for fate. The rise of Russia and the anger of the United States and the West are on, and you and all that You see perfectly, so you don’t want to grab yourself for free.
      1. optimist
        optimist April 19 2013 19: 52
        +1
        Eh, how Putin’s propaganda has pushed a person ... Right with phrases of news of the first channel spars !!! He has already signed me up as a supporter of gay parades! laughing You still kill me Kirov sew. You poor people, it’s unlikely that you will ever have enough brains to understand that the only thing I want our children and grandchildren to live in is a normal and not a gangster country ...
  24. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik April 19 2013 11: 58
    +4
    Quote: djon3volta
    In short, Putin will rule the country until May 2018. Even if you put 1000 minuses, Putin will still remain in the Kremlin until 2018. Putin will not resign from your minuses, and Kvachkov will sit as much as he was given, Khodorkovsky too. more than 10% will not gain. I hope they will imprison bulk, I really hope. They put Khodorkovsky and so what? Putin was scared? ))) Vobschem glory to Russia, glory to Putin !!! three times URA fellow
  25. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 19 2013 12: 09
    +4
    Many people compare Russia's dependence on oil with a drug addict's dependence on poison. Like "happy to get off the oil needle," but we can't. Unfortunately, the country, like any other drug addict, has a "harsh overkumark without barbitura".
  26. elmi
    elmi April 19 2013 12: 48
    +2
    While oil prices are breaking new records, gasoline prices in the vast majority of Russian regions strangely remain the same, and in some places they manage to grow.

    But then another question: why, as soon as oil grows at least a cent per barrel, gasoline immediately adds to the price.
    In our country, oil companies have generally lost their fear, are they not afraid that the state can nationalize them for such impudence?
    1. Atrix
      Atrix April 19 2013 13: 48
      0
      Quote: elmi
      In our country, oil companies have generally lost their fear, are they not afraid that the state can nationalize them for such impudence?

      Isn't Rosneft a state-owned company or Gazprom?
      It seems to me that the state doesn’t give a damn about how much they sell gasoline, it just pretends that it cares.
  27. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd April 19 2013 13: 12
    0
    Initially, it was clear that joining the WTO is a disastrous solution for the industry of the Russian Federation, the development of which froze at the level of 91 g. The products of the Russian Federation cannot compete, not in cost, not in quality! One hope for the import of oil and gas, but they do not belong to the state!
  28. Karabin
    Karabin April 19 2013 13: 19
    +1
    [as the oddities of our entry into the WTO do not cease to amaze. It seems to be expected the best, but here - on you!
    Putting to a vote, and then voting in the Duma for a document not translated into Russian is not a strangeness, but a violation of the law.
    Expecting the best from entry, the height of naivety bordering on dullness. Are your eyes starting to open?
  29. SPACE
    SPACE April 19 2013 13: 38
    +1
    Well, as expected, now the swing went the other way, the plane entered in peak. All passengers must be careful, fasten their seat belts and do not panic. It is the pilots who free you from unnecessary food. Those who arrange these swings, “they” know in advance what they are doing, but we respond to the event upon the incident, already late in time, which can cause panic and inappropriate actions. A bit of sanity: What pushes up oil prices? It’s not only us who sells oil, it’s a host of other companies, including Western Exxon Mobile, British Pedrolium, etc., but they also have a business and it’s not reasonable for them to allow prices to fall below a certain level. By the way, this level is spelled out in the budget of Russia. They can do it a little lower, so that the liberals have a reason to blame the government, but not for long. There are natural factors that push the price up, this is the natural increase in energy consumption in the world and the complication of production, the rejection of the atom and alternative energy. What is pushing down? To say that half of the people on the planet suddenly stops driving, washing, eating, basking and glowing is ridiculous. Yes, there are natural reasons for its decline, this is a decline in production in the West, the seizure of raw materials in Iraq, Libya, you can also add as a reason, shale gas in America, the market is being redistributed. But with a decrease in oil prices, the price of gas will fall, which is unpleasant for Gazprom and “cranks” for oil shale. In general, using natural trends, “they” take advantage of the situation, exacerbating it even more with their leverage, such as reports on “oil reserves in warehouses,” as well as on all kinds of futures, quotes, indices and other crap invented by them, in terms of cost, demand, that mass of consumers and suppliers subordinate to them, as well as the mass media, through analytes and forecasts, lower oil and gold prices and raise the dollar and the euro, i.e. pour one into another, while there is nothing to lose. Lose others. But the air “grabs” and sinks into the water again, so long as it exists. They are doing this in order to survive, which is natural, but at the same time they are also trying to slander Russia and China. But China and Russia in the economy on different sides of the swing, doing poorly to Russia, they are doing well to China and vice versa, for them, in the end, it’s so bad and kind of bad. But there is no choice. So all this, the next "swing" for the faint of heart. Actual oil prices, today, can no longer be cheaper, given the demand, problems with production and the absence of a serious alternative. As for Russia, contracts for the supply of oil and gas are usually concluded for a long time, for a certain amount and at a fixed price, perhaps the time for some contracts to come to an end.
    Z.Y. It is easy to build a factory and print money, resources can only be obtained, unless of course you have them! That's just your market should be your own, but you have to fight for someone else's.
  30. xzWhiteWolf
    xzWhiteWolf April 19 2013 17: 18
    0
    1. If people still believe in the myth that Russia rests only on oil and gas ... I feel sorry for them ..
    2. For reference, Russia is completely satisfied with the price of $ 70 with a penny, so as not to even do anything with the budget ... And if you finish off corruption as well, it will feel great in $ 40-50.
    3. Already in the next 5 years, many oil fields, for example in Norway, will run out. And this means that prices and demand for our and foreign oil will only soar higher. It follows that no matter whoever shouted a hackneyed record like a ghoul, it would not become new from this.

    As for gas prices ... Well, if so far everyone has been comparing the level of gas prices since 2001, for example ... I feel sorry for them ... On my own, I can say that my salary has personally grown since then 400% (if not more) ... Compared to this, gas prices have also increased slightly .. Compare gas prices with Europe ... Well, if you want to, let's compare a communal apartment ... For example, in Italy, the family my friend pays for the apartment 2k euros. Gets the whole family (4 people) 5k euros. This is not counting the Internet, telephone, etc. They use water and gas strictly by the hour, so God forbid not to wind more than these 2k euros. When I can allow myself to calmly bathe not in the shower but in the bathroom for several hours, refresh the water, wash as much as you like, use the gas stove as much as you want .. And this actually doesn’t hit us too much. We live almost without thinking about it, but there it doesn’t work out that way. For reference, they have gas heating in winter ... And in winter, if you want it to be constant, he paid about 1700 euros ... Are you still naive that Russia is shit, good west and they live like gods? Fortunately, the whole world is not a good American film. As for the Americans, they have 50% of the population eating on coupons, because they cannot eat normally ...
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 19 2013 18: 41
      -3
      xzWhiteWolf right, you're right! yes if your post was at the beginning of the article, you would grab the minuses of 10-15 for this truth, because many people don’t like this truth. I want to remind you that in Italy, electricity in rubles is 10.2 rubles, which is four times more expensive than in Russia. and the fact that they are terribly saving is true, there was a plot on this topic on TV. And about Spain and France, there were similar stories. Not much of our TV shows their dark side. But in Belarus there is a program, everything is open West, not Photoshop, not video editing, but real frames.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE April 19 2013 20: 01
        0
        Quote: djon3volta
        if your post was at the beginning of the article, would you grab the minuses 10-15 for this truth, because many people don’t like the truth here

        But not everyone. For Devotion and Courage, to You + and Respect! Everything is going as it should. yes
  31. Goldy
    Goldy April 19 2013 17: 39
    +1
    those who work in the financial markets know how prices are formed there and what pure speculation is there.
    Oil, as it fell, will grow without problems
  32. gregor6549
    gregor6549 April 19 2013 19: 04
    +1
    As oil has fallen and will rise, because oil prices are very strictly regulated by its main suppliers and they, the suppliers, are unlikely to allow a sharp fluctuation of this price in one direction or another. With gold, the situation is somewhat different and it is caused primarily by the desire to insure itself against the forecasted financial shocks. Those. to have something compact in your pocket with a high price and liquidity. On the other hand, you can't weld special bucks on gold. It's like freezing a wad of money in the freezer "for every firefighter." Therefore, the rush with gold prices is a temporary phenomenon and will most likely subside as soon as the financial situation in the world settles
  33. Bww
    Bww April 19 2013 19: 34
    +1
    Article minus!
    Man gives out pressure on us, as our internal problem! Bullshit! We really have a lot of problems, including those listed, but in this case they are not the main ones.
    They are spreading rot, we’re just like that, in fact .... (stsuki)
  34. 30143
    30143 April 19 2013 21: 08
    0
    I apologize in advance if I offend anyone. The devastation, as Professor Preobrazhensky said, swears in the minds. No one doubts that the structural reorganization of the Russian economy is ripe. How much can you buy everything abroad? What is the horror in housing and communal services? The whole country has worked for 10 years to redraw all this. I am sorry that people live in bestial conditions. I can judge by my relatives that the Russians are unpretentious people and can endure for a long time. But once, and someone needs to start putting things in order in the house (Russia) (major repairs).
    Tired of hearing this nagging that someone was to blame for everything: oil companies, liquid masses, Anglo-Saxons. It is necessary to stop paying attention to all Western processes. You need to open your eyes. And look at China too. Russia has its own path, its own charisma, its own destiny.
    And we "... drink vodka, vodka ... live." Thank God, now they have become smaller, the eyes have opened slightly. Now we need to get down to work (not for theft, banditry). And you got sick. You would have Julia or Vitya, then you would have understood that Vova is an angel. Show me who is now able to take Russia in hand?
    Gentlemen, it’s not digging there.
    1. WW3
      WW3 April 21 2013 05: 17
      +2
      You would first clean up the housing and communal services in Ukraine, for example, and patched up roads before advising.
  35. Vtel
    Vtel April 19 2013 23: 10
    0
    ...... they started the world game again - they lay out their solitaire. Oil and gold are stockpiled - these are their trump cards, but the essence is still green pieces of paper with Masonic signs. Now Russia is starting to work directly without the greenery with China, with the CU, etc. - so they squealed backwards - their green support is covered with a copper basin. And it pleases.
  36. zevaka84
    zevaka84 April 20 2013 01: 45
    -1
    Sorry for Russia.
  37. MG42
    MG42 April 20 2013 18: 41
    +2
    It is strange that gold has fallen, usually investors, if everything falls, go to a quiet haven of gold, but here is a surprise. Gold Rush in the US is a consequence of falling prices. All this suggests that the global financial crisis will drag on and its second wave may turn into depression, it already existed in US history, and the crisis’s legs grow from there.