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CIA in Hollywood. How Russian film distribution educates patriots of America

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The film “Target number one” was launched on a wide screen in February. The distributors could not get past the picture, which received an Oscar at the end of 2012. James Bond, who “seven with one blow”, has been successfully fighting his cinematic career only with mythical villains. The heroes of the tape “Goal Number One” are looking for and finding the very head of Al-Qaida, Osama bin Laden, and liquidating him.


The “target” was enthusiastically accepted by the audience - but not all. CIA acting director Michael Morell said: the film has inaccuracies and errors, in particular, shows the torture that intelligence officers used to obtain information about the location of "terrorist number one." The film's director, Catherine Bigelow, timidly and unintelligibly expressed herself in the sense that “the image is not approval,” and the torture scene was “set in the right tone and emotional balance,” but Langley did not accept her excuses.

Langley employees are not endowed with the functions of censors, so there is no talk of an attempt on the creative freedom of writers and directors. The key concept is “cooperation”. When making films about valiant American scouts, his producers are forced to go to him and seek advice. You - me, I - you. None of this rule has not been canceled to this day, so the consultants of the CIA delicately - or roughly - correct the script. “Polishing,” as the Los Angeles Times put it, screen image of a scout.

“The CIA has subtly influenced the content of feature films for the past 15 years,” writes Tricia Jenkins in her book, The CIA in Hollywood.
In 2003, the directors of the film “Recruit” worked closely with Langley, whose main character enters the service of the “company” (as the States call the CIA) and passes through the most sophisticated checks. Professional consultants didn’t like the scene of the beating of the recruit, so when the film was later replicated on video disks, a preface of a CIA employee who explained to the audience was added: artistic fiction was about beating. But Al Pacino, who plays a recruit mentor, was offered — and he did — to voice the “indulgence” that had long been written out to himself at Langley, its meaning: of course, everyone knows about the failures of the CIA ... report with meaningful sadness in his voice.

So the most accurate picture, close to the heroic weekdays of the CIA, in the process of shooting will provide consultants, detached from Langley for preventive work with scriptwriters. Paul Kelbach, an employee of very high rank, was sent to the set of "Recruit".

And then came the scandal. According to one journalist, the scout assured him: the task of the CIA is “not to let Hollywood get very close to the truth”.
Well, take that one and publish this creative credo ...

Gary DeVore in 1997 was working on a screenplay for a film about the American invasion of Panama and the overthrow of the regime of General Manuel Noriega eight years earlier. As the scriptwriter's widow later tells, the deceased husband was very alarmed by the facts that became known to him during the work on the script: Panama was a “washing machine” for dirty money, some of which belonged to the US government. What Gary DeVore told CIA veteran Chase Brandon, who worked as a “liaison” with Hollywood, and at the same time a relative of the popular actor Tommy Lee Jones.

Soon after, the screenwriter went to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and, having finished, went by car to California. Nobody saw him more alive, only a year later they found the unfortunate near the city of Palmdale, in the cab of his Ford Explorer car, in water, at a depth of about four meters. The investigator said: the causes and circumstances of the death of Gary DeVora could not be established, but the police explained to the public that the screenwriter went to sleep behind the wheel, the car flew off the road and fell into the river. The only drawback of this version was the absence of a laptop computer, in whose memory the unfinished script of the film was stored. All further reports of death were controversial and confusing. Allegedly, a CIA officer said at the house of the widow Gary DeVora and requested the stationary computer of the deceased. In any case, a private investigator found that even the drafts of the script were erased from it ...

In the "company" work people who know a lot about culture in general and in film in particular. Directories call Luigi Lurashi a producer, but he reached these peaks by the end of his career.

In the early fifties, he was the censor of the Paramount film studio - assurances about the right to freedom of speech, creativity and other democratic freedoms did not exclude such a position in the United States.
Censor also worked for the CIA, making its own constructive comments on the scripts passing through it and urging the directors to accept them. The methods of persuasion remained behind the scenes, but it is known for certain that Luigi Lurashi persuaded the ribbons to be shown abroad to insert well-dressed blacks. To Soviet propaganda less reported complex race relations in the United States. Probably, Lurashi can be considered the author of a Hollywood cliche that is still walking: one policeman is white, the other is necessarily “African American”. the world is from a monstrous criminal or inadequate alien. At the same time, American ill-wishers mockingly noticed that the Soviet picture of the attitude towards the Negroes in the USA is still much closer to the truth.

So intelligence must keep its secrets - and show its successes on a wide screen. As already mentioned, the CIA director Michael Morrell was among the audience of the “Goals”, who expressed their wrathful protest against the torture shown in the film: this did not happen, because there could never be. The previous chapter of the “company” and the recent US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta admitted that they tortured — although, he added, torture was not the main means of obtaining information. All information could be obtained without them, the Pentagon chief assured then. According to his logic, it turns out that the prisoners were mocked in the order of entertainment, but this is already from the category of conjectures about the sadistic inclinations of respectable and humane CIA employees.

The regularly demonstrated “the best with the good” struggle, due to show freedom of expression, makes an indelible impression on the public. While the outcome is known: the Oscar recipient for 2012 was chosen, as many American journalists noted sarcastically, a jury of the US State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency entrusted the statuette to the president’s spouse Michelle Obama. Everything was very solemn and, most importantly, fair ...

Russian film distributors track everything that happens in Hollywood: you need to evaluate a new American film that is ready for release and calculate what the box office in our country can be. What to show does not seem to matter.

Our "People", who today believes that there is a charitable organization of universal scale in Langley, will feed everyone.
This was in Soviet times almost every year, readers were offered at least one book on the activities of the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States. Their authors have always found many new facts of the work of American intelligence in almost all countries of the world.

But already in the times of “perestroika and glasnost”, the work of the CIA against those whom Washington considered its adversary, became unfashionable. Today in the "trend" - what a wonderful word ... - a demonstration of superbly made films on the theme of the exploits of American intelligence. Langley has long understood that the most important of the arts is cinema. "Psychological operations", conducted by the Central Intelligence Agency, concludes Hugh Wilford, "brought the greatest effect if they succeeded in winning the support of local elites, who began to share positive assessments of American power in the world." H. Wilford - British historian - the author of the book, analyzing the "cultural" penetration of the CIA in various countries of the world, but, above all, in the Soviet Union.

Hollywood - I believe, under the wise guidance of its consultants from the CIA - took the latest trends in politics, ceasing to shoot "Chinese villains." Showing them is also somehow not out of hand, given all the subtleties of the relations between Washington and Beijing.

All sorts of "Russian attackers" who are constantly trying to steal nuclear secrets, and even a few bombs in bulk from gullible Americans, go out of fashion with the writers of Hollywood. For the simple reason that they overfed. It is already known: in the fresh remake of “Red dawn”, the original version of which was filmed in 1984, not the Soviet paratroopers land in the United States, but North Korean ones.

Beijing will not buy and will not show Hollywood crafts on the subject of evil Chinese spies or bloodthirsty PLA soldiers.

Only our producers are omnivores, who will immediately grab and show us an imported tape about “atrocities of the KGB” or “sadists of special forces” from Russia. Full halls will be gathered - and the next day, yesterday’s audience, our sovereigns of all ranks will try to explain the great importance of patriotic education. At the same time - to explain the nuances of Washington's aggressive foreign policy.

... And in recent days, a new masterpiece of Hollywood, “The Fall of Olympus”, has led our audience to mad delight. For those who have not yet seen: the White House captured by a detachment of North Korean militants, the last hope of the United States and locked up in the president’s bunker is in the hands of his former security guard.

Patriots are successfully raised in Russia. Patriots of America.
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  1. Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff April 16 2013 16: 29
    17 th
    There is nothing wrong with patriotic cinema, and we have a lot to learn from amers. Ours are also trying to make high-quality patriotic cinema, but often it comes out too pathetic and played out.
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT April 16 2013 16: 51
      24
      This is what you can learn ??? Shoot fiction-bravado nonsense? Name a couple of American patriotic films with which our directors should take an example?
      1. Joker
        Joker April 16 2013 18: 06
        14
        This is what you can learn ??? Shoot fiction-bravado nonsense? Name a couple of American patriotic films with which our directors should take an example?

        Ohoho, yes such films in the US are about the sea, about Vietnam, 2-th world, the new bullshit is complete, but the old films are wonderful from the point of view of the script and the casting, and we also have great old movies, and now you can’t even say bullshit .
        1. postman
          postman April 17 2013 04: 16
          +1
          Quote: Joker
          and now you can’t even call bullshit.

          What's wrong with Windtalkers? or "The Thin Red Line"?

          To End All Wars (Last War) - very and very good
          (based on the autobiography of Captain Ernest Gordon "Through the Valley of the Kwai")

          "creation" by a Finnish American director:
          5 days of august


          you can see for the sake of beautiful Georgian landscapes, well, and if you need a beer to beat a thread:
          Putin personally (!) Arrived to lead the troops and declares that “Hang Saakashvili for eggs”
          ...............
          The presidents of Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia arrive in Tbilisi. At a rally in front of the Georgian parliament, Saakashvili made a speech in which he said that “the occupying forces are standing at our gates. This empire is very strong but we have a more valuable thing - the love of freedom. ”
          Presidents join hands, the audience applauded.

          Don Morton / Metropolis Magazine.Japan Partnership Inc /:
          There's something deeply repugnant about turning real-life horrors into blow-stuff-up popcorn entertainment. Unforgivably tasteless coda

          “Unforgivable tasteless code”

          I don’t know from the code, probably not a very good value (mobile appendage on the back of the body in some animals?)
      2. sonik-007
        sonik-007 April 16 2013 18: 19
        +5
        Quote: JonnyT
        This is what you can learn ??? Shoot fantastic bravado nonsense?


        Sleptsoff means that it’s time for us to intensify work on patriotic cinema, and in this sense we need to learn from amers.
        Nobody says that you need to do crap and show it. Do not distort.

        If we make a good patriotic movie, it will be great. It is high time for us to raise the patriotic education of youth to a new level. Unfortunately, not everyone says with pride - "I am a Russian"
        By the way, I advise everyone to watch the cycle of films "Duels"about the work of legal and illegal intelligence in the USSR. Films about intelligence officers of the SVR.


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        good good good
      3. Sleptsoff
        Sleptsoff April 16 2013 21: 24
        -5
        I liked the "sea battle", fiction, of course, but the plot is good and the ending is very patriotic. "Independence Day", "Armageddon"
        1. Beard
          Beard April 16 2013 22: 04
          +8
          "Armageddon"
          You like movies about drunk Russian astronauts. I feel sorry for you.
          1. Sleptsoff
            Sleptsoff April 16 2013 22: 37
            -5
            We ourselves have created such an image, amers simply exaggerated it. Moreover, this is just a film, the reality is much worse. Today, another drunk drove brought down three children to death, and you are talking about patriotic education.
            1. Svatdevostator
              Svatdevostator April 16 2013 22: 42
              +9
              We ourselves created such an image, amers simply exaggerated it.
              We did not create this image for us; the amers created it.
              1. Sleptsoff
                Sleptsoff April 17 2013 16: 15
                +1
                Well, yes, they forcibly pour vodka to us. One of the problems of the Russian people is to blame everyone except themselves, with such a position, we will never solve pressing problems.
              2. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus April 18 2013 03: 26
                +1
                Quote: Svatdevostator
                We did not create this image for us; the amers created it.


                Partly yes! But .... often not! Have you seen ours abroad? Tourists, sailors .... and I’ve seen enough for 10 years! And .... I tried to walk separately from my crew (the benefit of knowledge of the language and natural ingenuity allowed). Why don't you ask everyone? Yes, because often it was a shame for the behavior of our countrymen! am shameful and insulting!
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker April 18 2013 13: 39
                  +4
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  Tourists, sailors .... but I’ve seen enough for 10 years

                  What are they doing?
                  Homo sovieticus ....
          2. Uhalus
            Uhalus April 16 2013 23: 44
            +1
            Well, I don’t know ... I personally just laughed at the trash at the episode about the Russian station in "Armageddon". And this is not the most delusional image of a Russian. Amers shoot such bullshit not only about Russians.
          3. Artyom
            Artyom April 17 2013 10: 14
            +3
            watch the movie carefully, it is Russian that saves everyone at the end;))
        2. smart ass
          smart ass April 16 2013 22: 26
          +2
          sea ​​battle is complete, theater of obsurd)))In addition to the wild rzhaki no feelings, I remember the current black woman, sexy with a 6-barrel machine gun ... well, that's all)
          1. Sleptsoff
            Sleptsoff April 16 2013 22: 40
            -7
            You saw the "sexy black woman", and I am a tribute to the old ship and its crew of retired sailors who defended the Motherland.
            1. SPIRITofFREEDOM
              SPIRITofFREEDOM April 17 2013 11: 35
              +2
              I feel sorry for you!!!
              1. Sleptsoff
                Sleptsoff April 17 2013 16: 11
                -1
                Pity yourself flawed
            2. roninas
              roninas April 17 2013 15: 31
              0
              You are 13 years old, apparently, if you consider this film to be something valuable in terms of patriotism, even nonsense, not even sucked out of the finger. About the "fall of Olympus" I generally keep quiet, such terry propaganda even Uncle Gebels cannot pull
            3. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus April 18 2013 04: 00
              +1
              Quote: Sleptsoff
              tribute to the old ship and his crew of sailors retired


              My friend! Again ... how many of those retirees were there? And in the course how many full-fledged battleship crew? I will answer - more than a thousand souls! why do you think? Yes, because for the maintenance of numerous mechanisms (only a machine team of about 200 people! And I will not say anything about the servants of the towers! Not less than 50 per tower!) Of which there are hundreds of different ones! And in our case, a handful of people playfully control the colossus of a battleship (even a museum ship) with outdated mechanisms (which modern sailors hardly have a clue about), they themselves (!!!) move away from the wall without tugs (and I don't think that the battleship is the museum was "tied" with ordinary nylon ends, and there were no thrusters then ...)!
              In general delirium of the gray mare !!! Educating not patriotism but a state of euphoria in the style - "we are the best and we can do everything! Even that which is impossible!" I will tell you a dangerous condition! And by the way, our country went through it in the late 30s and early forties! But ... unlike Hollywood then there was PATRIOTISM! Why we won that war! And now ... but about the state of "now" I'm really scared! You may ask - "why?". I will answer - but because more and more people have grown up at the keyboard and at the TV and splashing with saliva delight from the primitive stamping of "patriotic" directors!
              And while considering themselves experts in everything! From politics and economics to literature and art!
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker April 18 2013 13: 41
                +4
                Quote: Region-25.rus
                And while considering themselves experts in everything! From politics and economics to literature and art!

                Just noticed?
                laughing
              2. Sleptsoff
                Sleptsoff April 18 2013 16: 34
                0
                This is just an entertaining film in the fantasy genre focused on the American audience. In addition, the young viewer watching this film does not care how many crew members this battleship should have, the scenes of such films are not focused on reliability, but on the feelings and emotions of the viewer.
                And in general, if you are so disgusted with American cinema, you watch it, why do you not respect yourself like that?
                P.S. Judging by the number of exclamation points in your comment, spit it on you))
        3. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus April 17 2013 05: 44
          +8
          Quote: Sleptsoff
          I liked the "sea battle"

          laughing I also "liked"! especially such moments - "these are North Koreans! I tell you exactly ...! laughing (found a new scarecrow for the layman).

          The scientist touched the episode as with the made expressions of physical torment they were dragging the GK projectile from the aft cellar on their shoulders! In a straight line it can and really carry, but it is doubtful along the ladders! And that, apart from the main characters (including the senior command staff), there was no one else to carry the weights? But ... why exactly at head height? And on the slings at the knee level, the mind was not enough ?! - "Well, stupid-s-s!" (c) M. Zadornov.

          Next - the genius in its stupidity episode with the return of the anchor at full speed, a turn and a shot of the Civil Code! Can you imagine the displacement of a battleship? Yes, plus speed! Yes in total! Yes, no anchor rope can stand it, much less a stopper!

          And the most "tasty" - the crown trick of cheap (in terms of directorial work) films - a blow to the jaw with an iron pipe, a claw, a hand (some kind of cyborg thread) from which the main character flies off three meters hitting something necessarily concrete or iron spicy, then gets up, shakes himself off like a poodle and throws himself like a Pug on an elephant into battle and ..... survives! Question - have you ever been hit in the jaw?
          Resume - for people like you and remove such bullshit! Learn the math and broaden your horizons! Only not with such "masterpieces"!
          1. Krsk
            Krsk April 17 2013 09: 49
            +1
            A drift of the mighty MO ??? this is the classic of insanity.
      4. Su24
        Su24 April 16 2013 21: 46
        +7
        Quote: JonnyT
        This is what you can learn ??? Shoot fiction-bravado nonsense? Name a couple of American patriotic films with which our directors should take an example?


        ))) That's what it's called - "Patriot" with Mel Gibson. About the War of Independence.
        You see, you can learn, for example, always show your country in a good light, its citizens and soldiers as heroes, and not just as killers and bandits. It is necessary to broadcast the idea that Russia is always right, even in those cases when it is not right.
        What was shown in the "9th company"? About how the Motherland somehow seems to have "forgotten" a detachment of its soldiers at some height. But this is ridiculous.
      5. postman
        postman April 17 2013 03: 46
        +2
        Quote: JonnyT
        What are some American patriotic films that our filmmakers should take an example from?

        "Bridge over the River Kwai"
        “Flags of our fathers” and "a look from the other side" "Letters from Iwo Jima"
        "Full Metal Jacket"
        "Platoon"
        "Saving Private Ryan"
        “Operation Argo”
        "Buffalo Soldiers"(though this is not Hollywood, but Great Britain, Germany)
        and bring them numbers ....
        Not all the same as "Trick-22" !!! (although the movie is not bad)
        If you don’t think about blunders and “Enemy at the Gates” is not bad
        1. smart ass
          smart ass April 17 2013 09: 32
          +2
          Enemy at the gate ... yes I remember a lope of mistakes ... just a record ...specially t34-85 in the destroyed stalingrad remember)))
          1. postman
            postman April 17 2013 12: 05
            +1
            Quote: Clever man
            Enemy at the gate ... yes I remember a lope of mistakes.

            bloopers this is normal. No need to trifle (all the same, the film, the more so it was shot by people who have little knowledge of history) -a talk about patriotism and a good film, it's not a documentary.
            Let me give you some blunders:
            "White Tiger" (which is not a tiger at all)
            T-IV with a long trunk in 1941?

            The tiger stands in direct line of sight, the tower is collapsed(but why not reverse, leaving the sector?), the sight is constant, no answers will arrive - dolby and dolby. But for some reason, ours suddenly begin to go to the side, drive into a hole, scoop up the earth with a cannon, and therefore the duel ends in no way.
            Well, then a whole bouquet
            against the background of the shit that our cinema fed us, will feed and will feed us - Shakhnazarov’s film is excellently shot and certainly good. But compared with the same Amerskoy kin - alas
            The Siberian Barber: 1905 depicted on the American flag 50 stars ); cadets wear gas masks invented in 1915 year well and so on

            Soviet movies:
            Seventeen Moments of Spring": MAZs and ZILs scurrying past Shtirlitsv, even the GAZ-51. A prison car is waiting for Karl Wolf at the airport - a minibus UAZ-465 (loaf)
            "Destiny": The whole clip is released into the hero of Stanislav Chekan, and
            in the heart.
            How is he after that, at least minute
            managed to stand on his feet
            , and even say: "Have time, guys!"
            "Primordial Rus": In the feather grass steppe of the early Middle Ageson the horizon visible masts of power lines.
            "Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession": "Walled up, demons!" Ivan the Terrible is baptized three fingers.(Before Nikon's reform, it remains to wait another 100 years.
            In all films of the USSR, Germans run with the Volmer MP-40 pp.
            ========================= The list goes on
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 17 2013 22: 20
              +3
              Quote: Postman
              Let me give you some blunders:
              The White Tiger (which is not a tiger at all)
              T-IV with a long trunk in 1941?

              Let's not be too hard. Here, at least the tanks are real, look what they drove "on camera" in "Fate and Life" according to Grossman, but how many SCREAMS were about the still unreleased film! And the book is not a fountain. In my opinion.
              When did our cinema specifically, in the frame, put the “nut” and 34-85 next to it?
              And Pz-3, and BT? Lee Grant is probably the first time in our movie.
              And that the "White Tiger" "rides on the chassis from under the IS-2 - many have noticed ...
              I regret more about "Convoy PQ-17" - because of the scanty budget and EXTREMELY ambitions of the creators, it turned out to be a parody of ideologically excellent material. And Valentin Savvich made mistakes in his novel ("Catalina" he has 4 engines instead of 2 real ones, etc.).
        2. Ghenxnumx
          Ghenxnumx April 17 2013 16: 29
          +2
          Quote: Postman
          If you don’t think about blunders and “Enemy at the Gates” is not bad

          Worse than a film about WWII made by foreigners, at the time of the war - by the allies, I did not see am - Bloopers on bloopers blunders.
          The Germans filmed "Stalingrad" much more respectfully, even though the opponents.
      6. gispanec
        gispanec April 17 2013 15: 43
        -1
        Quote: JonnyT
        What are some American patriotic films that our filmmakers should take an example from?

        Platoon, Apocalypse, Independence Day and a bunch more .....
    2. vadson
      vadson April 16 2013 17: 01
      +6
      Quote: Sleptsoff
      There is nothing wrong with patriotic cinema, and we have a lot to learn from amers. Ours are also trying to make high-quality patriotic cinema, but often it comes out too pathetic and played out.

      yyyyyyy sales fingers on the clave lost from an overabundance of thoughts, of course there is nothing wrong with a patriotic movie, if I show you the chronicle of the ss and the Gestapo, how will your ancestors be executed like? But these are also patriotic shots for the Nazis. Now show me a Hollywood patriotic film without pathos and nigra.
      1. Sleptsoff
        Sleptsoff April 16 2013 21: 28
        -7
        There is also pathos of a different, higher level, pathos that catches, and not empty, high words like in our new films. About the SS and the Gestapo, I did not understand what it was for. As I understand it, it’s useless for anyone who is a fiercely anti-American to say anything at all because you have a biased attitude towards them, so I think our further dialogue is meaningless and not productive.
        1. vadson
          vadson April 16 2013 22: 35
          +6
          Quote: Sleptsoff
          There is also pathos of a different, higher level, pathos that catches, and not empty, high words like in our new films. About the SS and the Gestapo, I did not understand what it was for. As I understand it, it’s useless for anyone who is a fiercely anti-American to say anything at all because you have a biased attitude towards them, so I think our further dialogue is meaningless and not productive.

          for example, compare 17 instants of spring and Bond, the first one in history as an event and will never fade, has long been sorted into phrases, has a bunch of fans. and Bondina - they took him off for half a century, shooting chasing a chick of a panicle, once you look and you don’t postpone it in your memory except for the fact that you saw this crap and it’s full of enthusiasm for the British.
          and sorry I ask one phrase from Bond remembered - bond, brooke bond!
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 16 2013 22: 46
            +4
            Quote: vadson
            bond, brooke bond!

            I once drank tea of ​​this brand - last year’s sawdust ...
            laughing
          2. Sleptsoff
            Sleptsoff April 17 2013 19: 58
            -2
            The film "17 Moments of Spring" is known only in Russia and the CIS countries, while Bond is known to the whole world, besides, it is an entertaining movie and it is generally not correct to compare them. In addition, I doubt that modern children, whom we want to instill in patriotism, will watch 17 moments, because for them it is boring and I am more than sure that they will prefer the Bond film with shooting and heifers with panicles. It is necessary to shoot high-quality modern cinema, but you won't go far with old stuff, let old people watch it.
      2. Su24
        Su24 April 16 2013 21: 51
        -1
        Quote: vadson
        Quote: Sleptsoff
        There is nothing wrong with patriotic cinema, and we have a lot to learn from amers. Ours are also trying to make high-quality patriotic cinema, but often it comes out too pathetic and played out.

        yyyyyyy sales fingers on the clave lost from an overabundance of thoughts, of course there is nothing wrong with a patriotic movie, if I show you the chronicle of the ss and the Gestapo, how will your ancestors be executed like? But these are also patriotic shots for the Nazis. Now show me a Hollywood patriotic film without pathos and nigra.


        Tell me, SS is a country like that, right? What does it have to do with it? And tell me, what could be wrong with pathos? Do you understand that patriotism without pathos is not possible? The feeling of the Fatherland always carries with it pathos.
        1. Sleptsoff
          Sleptsoff April 16 2013 22: 12
          -1
          You probably have some of your own ideas about patriotism if you do not share such concepts as "love for the Motherland" and "pathos". When a country has a healthy economy, science and sports develop, the army rises, a person simply will not have a reason not to love his homeland without any films and other brainwashing and high words. Paphos is like doping for an athlete, which is harmful but allows you to achieve the desired effect, only this effect is temporary.
        2. vadson
          vadson April 16 2013 22: 43
          +2
          [quote = Su24] [quote = vadson] [quote = Sleptsoff]

          Tell me, SS is a country like that, right? What does it have to do with it? And tell me, what could be wrong with pathos? Do you understand that patriotism without pathos is not possible? The feeling of the Fatherland always carries with it pathos. [/ Quote]
          funny, do you think when, for example, the heroes of Panfilov’s tanks together with them undermined, they behaved so PERFECTLY from the PERFECT propaganda again, or did they have a desire to stupidly break the enemy and not let him go to Moscow?
          1. DimychDV
            DimychDV April 17 2013 04: 20
            +6
            I'm a journalist. I once wrote about a veteran in the 80s. He said: "When we recaptured the first villages back and learned that the German was doing with our women, we lost peace. We crawled AWOL to the German trenches, slaughtering reptiles. Until the most unlucky Germans raked in, and the most lively were special. They did not want to live under pigs - so they cut the throats of pigs. That was our patriotism. Have you ever read in one book or movie about guts on wires along the roads, about the smell of corpse at the front? "
            Someone went to battle in Komsomol, and someone like that - peasant. Someone was sorry for the friends of the fallen. Differently. But in order to learn how to crush the enemy, it was necessary to first pass the science of hatred, and then to understand that it was not enough to want to kill a well-trained enemy. You must still be able to do this - and survive yourself.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 17 2013 18: 58
              +3
              Quote: DimychDV
              Have you ever read in one book or movie about intestines on wires along the roads, about the smell of cadaver at the front? "

              I remember my father's stories about the war, in particular, about the guts and limbs on the trees ...
              Tried to link here (about an attack through a minefield).
              But after shit ... x comments stopped.
              Here, more urYa-patriotism "indulge".
              Best regards
              hi
      3. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus April 17 2013 05: 29
        +4
        Quote: vadson
        Now show me a Hollywood patriotic film without pathos and nigra.


        I recommend the "Pacific Ocean". I personally did not find any pathos or jingoistic patriotism there. filmed very true in many aspects: weapons (American and Japanese), uniforms and more!
    3. alex13-61
      alex13-61 April 16 2013 17: 09
      11
      Recently, as something, in general, does not pull on foreign cinema ... And our "1612", "Taras Bulba", "August 8" are much more pleasant for perception ...
      1. Beard
        Beard April 16 2013 22: 08
        0
        Yeah. 1612 - a pathos tale about the Spaniard, who almost became the king of the scattering. .... here as patriotic. And yet, yes - do you watch the same films all day long? For what you called comes out every two years.
      2. smart ass
        smart ass April 16 2013 22: 29
        +1
        Yeah, "Taras Bulba" is good ... nothing to say, "Brest Fortress" is also a great film
    4. datur
      datur April 16 2013 17: 09
      +3
      Ours are also trying to make high-quality patriotic cinema, but often it comes out too pathetic and played out. - Well, yes, but with Amers everything is highly artistic ?? special effects and drive - yes, it’s impossible to take away from them, and so nonsense and only !!!!
      1. vadson
        vadson April 16 2013 17: 30
        +2
        Quote: datur
        Ours are also trying to make high-quality patriotic cinema, but often it comes out too pathetic and played out. - Well, yes, but with Amers everything is highly artistic ?? special effects and drive - yes, it’s impossible to take away from them, and so nonsense and only !!!!

        f-35. in a strong nut it’s finally a masterpiece of insanity (or sarcasm, depending on what the creators wanted to say). this hell is still not in nature and there is on the screens - indisputably advertising is the engine of trade
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 16 2013 18: 01
          +3
          Quote: vadson
          undeniably advertising trade engine

          Ours are also not lagging behind in this regard, remember Antikiller 2: so there is not even a hidden, but an explicit advertisement for Nemirov vodka, Samsung gadgets, ....
          Here is our "patriotic" movie ... laughing
          1. vadson
            vadson April 16 2013 18: 14
            +1
            Quote: kostella85
            Quote: vadson
            undeniably advertising trade engine

            Ours are also not lagging behind in this regard, remember Antikiller 2: so there is not even a hidden, but an explicit advertisement for Nemirov vodka, Samsung gadgets, ....
            Here is our "patriotic" movie ... laughing

            but why did you get that anti-killer patriotic and not commercial cinema?
            1. kostella85
              kostella85 April 16 2013 18: 23
              +2
              I have the word "patriotic" in "", and by the way, can not patriotic cinema be a commercial success ?!
              1. vadson
                vadson April 16 2013 22: 48
                0
                Quote: kostella85
                I have the word "patriotic" in "", and by the way, can not patriotic cinema be a commercial success ?!

                patriotic, as far as I can tell, a movie that should cultivate high feelings for the homeland, and an anti-killer is a dumb copy of Hollywood fighters, crime killing fights, the price of human life = 0, what can you learn there?
                Of the modern patriotic I can name - we are from the future.
        2. smart ass
          smart ass April 16 2013 22: 30
          0
          It’s necessary to show stupid Amerikos ... so look like where your loot has gone ... f35 kill Bruce Willis)
        3. DimychDV
          DimychDV April 17 2013 05: 58
          0
          Cinema is also the engine of politics. In District 9, the bad guys showed Nigerians controlling a food market ... in Johannesburg. It's like the Poles will come to Kyrgyzstan with racketeering. Meanwhile, Nigeria has a rather big place in the world in terms of oil production, and somewhere along its borders, really bad uncles are gradually supporting a small war - in order to control stock prices. Sooner or later, it may blaze there. And it begins with the creation of such an "enemy image". Not a single moviegoer will go to check the atlas.
        4. Sleptsoff
          Sleptsoff April 17 2013 16: 21
          -1
          I would like to see you when this so-called x..ya hovers over your village and will iron it with "smart bombs")).
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 April 16 2013 18: 24
        +7
        The biggest bullshit in American films is to portray blacks as "heroes", "clever girls", "good people who save the world," although everyone knows, with the share of blacks in the US population of about 8-9% among prisoners, there are 70% of them. Every time, barely seeing a Negro, I immediately switch the channel. The same applies to Negro "singers" Neither voice nor form ...
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 16 2013 19: 28
          +4
          Quote: xetai9977
          with the proportion of blacks in the US population approx. 8-9%

          Ashipachka is out: the percentage of African-Americans today is ALREADY equal to the "pale face".
          belay
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 April 17 2013 14: 22
            0
            It’s you who made a mistake, dear. According to the census, the number of Afro-Americans (a word was invented!) Is 25 million, with a total population of 312 million. There are a significant number of so-called Latinos who go as a separate race, which is extremely wrong, since they are descendants Spaniards who belong to the Mediterranean type of the Caucasian race.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 17 2013 18: 48
              +3
              Quote: xetai9977
              According to the census

              When did TAM census take place?
              Who counted? For whom?
              I can’t give links.
              I just remember the data voiced by their officials.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker April 17 2013 22: 32
                +4
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                When did TAM census take place?
                Who counted? For whom?

                I "googled" the question - I take my words back, I was wrong.
                AshipAchka came out ...
                request
        2. Sleptsoff
          Sleptsoff April 16 2013 21: 41
          +2
          This is called political correctness. If you were more careful, you would have noticed the same desire with us. Increasingly, we see people of non-Slavic appearance as hosts and announcers on TV, in the cinema the same thing.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 16 2013 21: 47
            +5
            Quote: Sleptsoff
            We see people of non-Slavic appearance as host and announcers on TV

            Our country is multinational and multiconfessional; every citizen of Russia should have a native face type from the TV screen.

            Just be kind - with you - who has this, or where?
        3. smart ass
          smart ass April 16 2013 22: 31
          -1
          Yes, you my friend rassistt from Azerbaijan))
    5. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 April 17 2013 12: 12
      0
      This film ("Target number one") propaganda ravings of crazy amers. Most of all, this red-haired s.ka who was looking for bin Laden, killed her, she clearly needs to see a doctor, in other ways, like the rest of the majority of the US population. The film is "sucked from the finger", people thinking, analyzing - this film will not be interesting, because everything shown is far from the truth. Another thing is why our youth should show this film? Foster love for amers? Rave. It should be shown in analytical programs, laid out in pieces, and not at the box office and in cinemas, where most of the watchers admire the CIA and sea animals)).
    6. Van
      Van April 17 2013 14: 37
      0
      Quote: Sleptsoff
      Ours are also trying to make high-quality patriotic cinema, but often it comes out too pathetic and played out.

      It seems to me that our "People" has long ago moved to the pathos and pretense of foreign cinema, unlike ours. fellow
  2. Melchakov
    Melchakov April 16 2013 16: 30
    +8
    Patriots are successfully raised in Russia. Patriots of America.

    We know. We saw it on the site (as they say, we won’t point with a finger). We have good directors 2-3 from strength. If our Mikhalkovs cannot do anything, just series, then, of course, this is their place ...
    Z.Y. Of course, Putin is to blame. wassat
    1. Kaa
      Kaa April 16 2013 16: 49
      14
      And my subjective opinion is that Hollywood got stuck on the Soviet agitprop of the 30s-40s of the USSR, only at a higher technical level. I can't wait for some film where, as in The Exploit of a Scout, an enemy officer will say “Well, for victory, and the valiant CIA officer will say meaningfully - for OUR Victory. "But as for the dominance of this low-level community but beautiful, you need to recall the example of not only China, but also, for example, France, where there has long been a percentage ratio of domestic and foreign ( especially American) films. Healthy protectionism will not hurt. A holy place is never empty, if you restrict admission to the domestic film market of Hollywood (and they take the cost of filming), then this place will slowly fill up, albeit not so expensive (this limits many domestic directors), but semantic and patriotic OWN Films. And fans of super-duper-special effects let them use torrents - tea, we live in the 21st century. And about good films, the fact that they are still shot in Russia and Belarus - I have recently discussed, I will not repeat myself.
      1. Waterfall
        Waterfall April 16 2013 18: 34
        +1
        Quote: Kaa
        then this place will slowly fill up, albeit not so expensive (this limits many domestic directors), but semantic and patriotic OWN films

        It is from what hangover they will become good, if there is a quota? On the contrary, it is possible to drive Mr. without consequences.
  3. djon3volta
    djon3volta April 16 2013 16: 32
    -1
    not an interesting film, I watched it a couple of days ago. For me, the film "PRICE OF FEAR", a movie of 2002, is more interesting for me. They seem to show that after the unexpected death of Yeltsin, an unknown Putin comes. Who saw this film, what can you say about this?
    1. Melchakov
      Melchakov April 16 2013 16: 44
      0
      Quote: djon3volta
      not an interesting film, I watched it a couple of days ago. For me, the film "PRICE OF FEAR", a movie of 2002, is more interesting for me. They seem to show that after the unexpected death of Yeltsin, an unknown Putin comes. Who saw this film, what can you say about this?

      At least read Wikipedia.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 16 2013 17: 23
        +2
        Quote: Melchakov
        At least read Wikipedia.

        Well, I read it, so what? Have you watched a movie though? If not, then there’s nothing to talk about. So you can even throw out the TV and read Wikipedia all your life.
        For example, I don’t believe those people who say that they don’t watch TV, this is 100% lies. Another 100% lies when they say they don’t use a mobile phone, they say radiation.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 16 2013 17: 42
          +3
          Quote: djon3volta
          For example, I don’t believe those people who say that they don’t watch TV, this is 100% lies. Another 100% lies when they say they don’t use a mobile phone, they say radiation.

          Oh-oh-oh ... There are such ... And still "fingers in the eyes" poke, defending their "high morality".
        2. smart ass
          smart ass April 16 2013 22: 33
          0
          I have already thrown the telly for a long time, because the ZOMBOYSCHIK is not my friend
    2. vadson
      vadson April 16 2013 23: 15
      -3
      who’s lousy about the bathhouse, you again remembered the name of the great and terrible, you do not have his portrait in the corner in front of the lamp?
      Quote: djon3volta
      not an interesting film, I watched it a couple of days ago. For me, the film "PRICE OF FEAR", a movie of 2002, is more interesting for me. They seem to show that after the unexpected death of Yeltsin, an unknown Putin comes. Who saw this film, what can you say about this?
  4. Maximus
    Maximus April 16 2013 16: 33
    +1
    If there is no Hollywood junk in cinemas, then there will be no cinemas. Our films are shot a little, and while honestly speaking, the modern level of cinema does not even reach the Soviet level of quality.
    1. Alexei
      Alexei April 16 2013 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: Maximus
      If there is no Hollywood junk in cinemas, then there will be no cinemas.

      What are you talking about ... Hollywood junk is gradually becoming obsolete. More and more often I hear "oh well, the film is about nothing ..." or "yes, so behold, to see once ..." And this is about the great American paintings. What, am I not writing the truth?
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 April 16 2013 18: 09
        +1
        I often go to the cinema. Over the past year or two, I just can’t remember just normal Russian (not to mention patriotic) films in the cinema (maybe only cartoons)!
        I ask the respected members of the forum to express their opinion.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b April 16 2013 19: 13
          +1
          We don’t have a normal movie, no (((((
      2. Mikado
        Mikado April 16 2013 19: 37
        +1
        Quote: Alexej
        More and more often I hear "oh well, the film is about nothing ..." or "yes, so behold, to see once ..."


        maybe this speaks of the level of the audience, not the quality of the film?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 16 2013 19: 48
          +3
          Quote: Mikado
          maybe this speaks of the level of the audience, not the quality of the film?

          With two hands FOR.
          And, although there is no dispute about tastes - the "level" of Russian pop performers, TV shows and special Internet sites SHAPE this level.
      3. Maximus
        Maximus April 16 2013 22: 21
        -1
        I do not advocate or praise American cinema, just now, unfortunately, we have no alternative.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 16 2013 17: 51
      +5
      Quote: Maximus
      there will be no Hollywood junk, then there will be no movie theaters

      Mila-a-ah ...
      "A holy place is never empty" - distributors will find, for which they can "cut down" the money.
      And finally ...
      The bulk of the films "look" not on the screen in the cinema, but at home, after having downloaded them from the Internet. And there it is, Hollywood is clearly not among the leaders.
      1. Maximus
        Maximus April 16 2013 22: 24
        -1
        But after all, films are downloaded and this junk is watched, but about the fact that Hollywood is not in the lead, I bet, dear.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 16 2013 22: 54
          +4
          Quote: Maximus
          that Hollywood is not a leader, I bet

          Each social group has its own preferences ...
          Hollywood gets a good promotion on our movie screens, but as it was correctly noted above, these are mainly films on 1-2 viewing.
          There are not very many Spielbergs in the "dream factory".
  5. elmi
    elmi April 16 2013 16: 43
    +4
    We need more to make our own films with a patriotic bias, such as 9 companies, we are from the future, etc.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 16 2013 17: 31
      +4
      Quote: elmi
      we are from the future

      Yesterday, the second part of the HOUSE OF CINEMA was shown, there Ukrainian nationalists were captured by the Banderaites with Russian))) but this is a hint to those who live in Ukraine and treat Russia badly, the film is excellent good I advise you to watch AUGUST EIGHTH, the Russian film of 2012, although fiction in some places, but still a movie class!
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac April 16 2013 17: 33
      0
      Quote: elmi
      We need more to make our own films with a patriotic bias, such as 9 companies, we are from the future, etc.
      do you think that these are patriotic films - the company was FORGOTTEN in Afghanistan - okay, army generals - everything seems petty to them from above, but the battalion commander and the regiment where they looked - dragging the general, we’re
      Afghan company forgot! and these salabons, having modern weapons and means of amplification, can not repel some kind of truck with frits, with weapons of the 40s type! at present, only the citadel can shoot ours - repent of the Russian people, look at our shit. In our country, only enthusiasts are engaged in patriotic education of youth on their own enthusiasm. and such education is necessary if we don’t want to become the endowed state.
      1. elmi
        elmi April 16 2013 20: 47
        +2
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        do you think that these are patriotic films - the company was FORGOTTEN in Afghanistan - okay, army generals - everything seems petty to them from above, but the battalion commander and the regiment where they looked - dragging the general, we’re
        Afghan company forgot!

        I like the film and after watching the film, on the contrary, patriotism, morale rises. In this film, the meaning was put on the fact that our command forgot the soldier (it could be argued that circumstances were such that they couldn’t help in time), but the glorification of our soldiers is demonstrating the heroism of the soldiers, respectively, the patriotic education of the future generation of soldiers, to take an example from them.
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        and these salabons, having modern weapons and means of amplification, can not repel a truck with Fritz

        You have confused the films - I talked about the film - WE ARE FROM THE FUTURE, you will find long descriptions of the Internet content. And you obviously meant the movie FOG, I watched this movie partially, so I can’t give my point of view on this film
    3. smart ass
      smart ass April 16 2013 22: 37
      +2
      It’s inappropriately only about us from the future ... or a white tiger .....here you explain to me why we need to invent FANTASTIC nonsense ??? Indeed, in the history of the Great Patriotic War there were a lot of iconic battles around which it was possible to twist the plot! Yes, at least take STALINGRAD. Every day of the battle, the plot is ready. I even imagine the beginning of this picture: on August 23, a cloud of henkels and junkers was approaching a city living a peaceful front-line life ... “The first day of the bombing was remembered for my whole life,” says Lyubov Zakharovskaya. - I was then 42 years old. Mom sent me to bring grandfather tobacco. Suddenly the sky turned black from the planes, and at some moments the city became unrecognizable. It was dark, everyone was screaming and running to where. Nearby was a hospital. The asphalt was boiling, the earth was burning, people and animals were burning. It was a real hell. Airplanes flew low, and the Germans fired machine guns at people. In this hell, mom and brother died. My sister and I were 11 years old. ”
      1. elmi
        elmi April 17 2013 01: 24
        +3
        Quote: Clever man
        It’s inappropriately only about us from the future ... or a white tiger.

        Do you know the proverb: “Taste and color — is there no comrade?” I think you know, here and learn to respect the opinions of others, I do not impose it on you. I have a 9 company film and We like it from the future, maybe some more films and don’t ascribe to me your addictions, as you said a white tiger - not to the village or to the place.
        Quote: Clever man
        ..that you explain to me why we need to invent FANTASTIC nonsense ???

        These questions are not for me, I'm not a director. Many films have been made on military subjects, especially during the Soviet era and very good ones, unfortunately in our times, few people can make films of that level. Do not despair, everything is ahead, perhaps such films will be removed close to your intentions.
    4. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich April 17 2013 00: 52
      0
      Quote: elmi
      We need more to make our own films with a patriotic bias, such as 9 companies, we are from the future, etc.

      You still here Bastards, plus Burnt by the sun! And there will be the best selection of anti-patriotic films! Films are full of lies, and apart from rejection do not cause anything!
      1. elmi
        elmi April 17 2013 01: 10
        +2
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        You still here Bastards, plus Burnt by the sun! And there will be the best selection of anti-patriotic films! Films are full of lies, and apart from rejection do not cause anything!

        I do not quite understand - to the 9 films of the company and We from the future, do you propose adding your listed films Bastards and Burnt by the Sun? So? What do you think 9 company films and We from the future are unpatriotic ???
        1. Hort
          Hort April 17 2013 13: 31
          0
          9th company - a bunch of mistakes, and even does not correspond to reality (in the part where everyone was put, one remained).
          We are from the future - squalor, which is 1, which is part 2. By the way, "Fog" is from the same opera. It is unclear why they should invent a fantastic story, well, and about tanks of incomprehensible designs, you can generally remain silent.

          Of the last (for, say, 8 years) patriotic films of normal quality, I can only remember "In August 44", "Star", "Brest Fortress", "Mogilev Frontier" and the relatively good "Three Days of Lieutenant Frolov".
          1. elmi
            elmi April 17 2013 15: 32
            +2
            Well, if you look at your approach under a magnifying glass, then you can omit any film. If you find fault with the film, of course, you can find a lot of inconsistencies, there are a lot of them, for example, the tanks you are talking about - I agree if you look closely at the tanks of the alleged World War II, upon closer examination, they turn out to be roughly altered with boxes from T-2 and German tanks, of course a gross discrepancy, but if the budget of the film does not allow to drive real tanks, and it is not always possible to assemble them in the required quantity., soldiers run in new field uniforms, but this does not happen in a war, well, etc. As for a fantasy film, the question is but how can you make a film condemning "our" Nazis walking with a swastika? , transformation. Well, etc. long examples to give. Yes, we have a lot of good films, but there are a lot of second-rate films for everyone. Again, you need to shoot more, show really good patriotic films, because the young growing generation are like a sponge, they absorb everything that they show, they say, at least for them, make more efforts for proper education.
  6. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian April 16 2013 16: 59
    +3
    Cleverly, the author remarked. A country like Russia, with a market (of consumers) of more than 100 million, can and should set trends for purchased products, including Hollywood.

    And Gorbachev converted patriotism when he melted pride in the country with the best strategic offensive arms, along with these strategic offensive arms to brainwash with NTV.
  7. lecturer
    lecturer April 16 2013 17: 00
    +3
    Quote: elmi
    We need more to make our own films with a patriotic bias, such as 9 companies, we are from the future, etc.

    RIGHT!
  8. horoh
    horoh April 16 2013 17: 03
    +6
    American nonsense should generally be prohibited from showing at the box office and on television.
  9. Belogor
    Belogor April 16 2013 17: 18
    +1
    How can a man who loves his homeland be raised if he was stuffed with films from childhood where only Americans could be heroes. Russians in such films could only be enemies, at best, hopeless drunkards. Now they go to the Swamp and vilify their homeland.
  10. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 16 2013 17: 37
    0
    I watched "The Fall of Olympus". I rarely go, I have no time, but here it seems like a window - I go. Let's go. The trouble. It's a pity for money-o-oooo !!! North Koreans, where did they steal the "Thunder God"? Secret service officers behave like schoolchildren who have passed CWP, etc. I certainly understand cinema is cinema, but not to the same blunders. How good (in my opinion) "Saving Private Rain" is, the same movie in life probably was (if it was) differently, or the first "tough nuts" are just as wretched as the last films. My conclusion is that the intellectual level of consumers of such cinema has fallen below the floor. I think that again for 2-3 years I will not go to the cinema.
    1. smart ass
      smart ass April 17 2013 06: 56
      0
      I totally agree ... the last tough nut also causes nothing but laughter
  11. krokodil25
    krokodil25 April 16 2013 17: 38
    +1
    And I like such American films as the gladiator, 300 Spartans such films are to some extent patriotic, they show courage, honor, duty, love of homeland !!!
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 16 2013 17: 56
      +6
      Quote: krokodil25
      300 Spartans such films are to some extent patriotic

      Is this where Carmen Electra is?
      fellow
  12. Belogor
    Belogor April 16 2013 17: 41
    +2
    How can a man who loves his homeland be raised if he was stuffed with films from childhood where only Americans could be heroes. Russians in such films could only be enemies, at best, hopeless drunkards.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv April 16 2013 17: 52
      +3
      A person who loves the Motherland can be brought up only in the conditions of the Motherland’s love for man - everything else is verbiage, no matter how beautiful it sounds.
      1. Kostya pedestrian
        Kostya pedestrian April 17 2013 12: 45
        0
        Would you go Sudanese to teach such logic in Africa. Where one square meter of sand is inhabited by one hundred citizens of the country, and all diamonds, gold and oil are stolen 100% with deductions only in arms to the same Sudanese, so as not to interfere with their wealth to plunder.

        In addition, do you really believe in fairy tales that your vision will spoil from masturbation? It will deteriorate faster if you endlessly look for whose homeland is better.
  13. amber-50
    amber-50 April 16 2013 18: 14
    +6
    The guys, frankly speaking, the 9th company is also far from being a masterpiece. The film is completely slandered by Hollywood patterns. You better remember the Stormy Gate. According to many absolutely different-aged people, the film is much better and really causes pride in these chests for these guys.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado April 16 2013 19: 47
      +4
      I agree that Thunderstorm Gates liked much more than 9 companies, mainly due to the fact that the filmmakers abandoned a number of clichés. Many here write that it is necessary to shoot more patriotic films, but the problem is that "our Hollywood" is so arranged that you will not shoot any normal film, especially a patriotic one. This is, in a way, a mini-copy of our entire country, making its way to the top, not by the one who is talented or experienced, but the one who has cronyism, who has money, whom the agent will better promote. The specifics of our film market also play a role here, in the Americas the film is removed from the expectation of making money on the training camps, so they try to make the audience like it, so that they no longer go around, but we all have long understood that you won't earn much on the camps, it's easier for filming money, so as soon as the money is received, they continue to shoot it as good and whatever, whether the viewer likes it or not - on the drum, the money has already been received. In this system, we will wait for good films like rain.
  14. Vesnik
    Vesnik April 16 2013 18: 14
    +1
    Quote: krokodil25
    And I like such American films as the gladiator, 300 Spartans such films are to some extent patriotic, they show courage, honor, duty, love of homeland !!!

    Yeah. Especially the scene about the "gay" (300 Spartans), such affectionate, supposedly "normal" among the heroes, they teach. gladiator- half of the movie die. Try to watch 2-3 times. IQ of the brain drops by half. Films for the Abizyans.
  15. psdf
    psdf April 16 2013 18: 19
    0
    Quote: Melchakov
    Z.Y. Of course, Putin is to blame.

    Personally, he stood above the soul when filming was going on.
  16. Bezarius
    Bezarius April 16 2013 18: 19
    +5
    Normal people do not watch both Hollywood films and our modern films.
    1. Belogor
      Belogor April 16 2013 19: 01
      +2
      for all 100 in agreement! And for more than 20 years I have been following this rule.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 16 2013 19: 31
      +5
      Quote: Bezarius
      Normal people do not watch both Hollywood films and our modern films.

      "... Do not read Soviet newspapers until lunchtime ...." Prof. Preobrazhensky.
      drinks
  17. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. April 16 2013 18: 20
    +3
    Let them take off and let them show, but not with us. Let the Americans or Anglitos believe that in case of something
    some Rambo will come, who is one of all Russians "one left", in general, with small forces on foreign territory. We already had this, once. We need censorship. And to be honest, I don't watch our remakes about the war, Sheer crap (my opinion, of course), there are no those actors and that school, unfortunately. So we have practically nothing to oppose them in this sense. Therefore, only censorship.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 16 2013 18: 27
      0
      I agree, although the actors may be fine, but the scenarios ...... and directing ...... just horror belay wassat

      PS About the scripts, the actors of the directors - a purely personal opinion !!!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 16 2013 19: 44
        +1
        Quote: kostella85
        although the actors may be fine, but the scenarios ...... and directing ..

        So here it is also necessary to REQUIRE authenticity, wool scripts, etc. Censorship in this regard should be. But a simple ban on foreign films will not achieve anything.
    2. Rrv
      Rrv April 16 2013 18: 36
      +7
      Rambo speak? am )))
      1. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka April 16 2013 21: 27
        +3
        Quote: RRV
        Rambo speak?

        an article about him here who does not know
        http://topwar.ru/14249-terminator-iz-krasnoy-armii.html
        1. Rrv
          Rrv April 16 2013 23: 04
          +1
          An article about Ovcharenko on this portal does not change the essence of Rimbaud)))

          (in fact, I came across an article after placing a demotivator wink )
  18. sonik-007
    sonik-007 April 16 2013 18: 20
    0
    [quote = JonnyT] This is something to learn ??? Shoot a fantastic bravado delirium? [/ Quote]

    Sleptsoff means that it’s time for us to step up work on patriotic cinema, and in this sense we need to learn from amers. Do not distort.

    If we make a good patriotic movie, it will be great.
    By the way, I advise everyone to watch the series of films "Duels" about the work of legal and illegal intelligence in the USSR. Films about intelligence officers of the SVR.

    http://rutracker.org/forum/tracker.php?f=98&nm=%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0

    % BD% D0% BA% D0% B8 [/ quote]
  19. sonik-007
    sonik-007 April 16 2013 18: 31
    0
    Quote: Kaa
    But as for the dominance of this low-level community but of prettiness, you need to recall the example of not only China, but also, for example, France, where for a long time there has been a percentage ratio of domestic and foreign (especially American) films.


    By the way, it’s kind of like they are going to pass a law, so that there wouldn’t be a lot of films for film distribution For example 1 \ 3 in favor of ours.
  20. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 April 16 2013 19: 00
    +2
    The Oscar was given for politics. The film is a complete Mr., I wanted to see at least because of the battle scenes, but after 10 minutes I spat and deleted. "Saving Private Ryan" though filmed talented and entertaining, and this one is Mr.
  21. ed65b
    ed65b April 16 2013 19: 20
    +5
    And what good and patriotic in the 9th company, the nonsense from Bondarchuk the younger to whom the Father’s laurels do not give rest. In general, everyone has their own patriotic cinema. Here Love and doves are very patriotic cinema.
  22. Mikado
    Mikado April 16 2013 19: 54
    0
    I watched this film (Goal number one), what can I say, for the American viewer (and for our part too) the film is not bad and in some places even interesting. By the way, he is not so patriotic that not many of us noticed, because the whole CIA apparatus was drawn to us and it is shown that for ten years it was looking for some one old man with such resources, while, if not for the persistence of just one employee -girls, they would never have found, and the main thing is that this whole apparatus tried to interfere with her in this search, and even when they seemed to have found, they pulled the cat for one place for six months. After this film, I got the impression that the CIA is such a clumsy bureaucratic machine, which does not even look like intelligence. The only negative, in my opinion, how torture is shown, almost a kindergarten, they should have invited the hero of Samuel Jackson from the movie "The Unthinkable", then it would be like reality)
  23. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich April 16 2013 19: 57
    +2
    We really miss not just patriotic films, but films without unnecessary simulated emotions in the frame. Of course, there are enough nerves, emotions and snot in a war, but why focus on this in the movies, why not show soldiers as soldiers, men as men who would not let snot at every step and would not each turn into hysterics or incomprehensible reasoning. For example, consider the films mentioned here. To begin with, "9th company", in which everything is too playful and the soldiers are not presented in the best way, because of which, after watching, there is no feeling of pride in the heroes of the film. I would like to mention the film "August the Eighth". If it were not for the computer inserts with robots, it would have turned out to be a really excellent film, but alas, the mentioned "joint" spoils the whole picture and significantly underestimates the value of the film. There are still a few films like The Storm Gate. They would have more scale and technical performance at the level of "August the eighth", but apparently there is not enough money for such films. And if there are, then it is imperative to spoil the film - with pretense in "9th" or awkward inserts in "August the eighth".
  24. gorkoxnumx
    gorkoxnumx April 16 2013 19: 57
    +1
    In America, movies about the war are shot differently, there are too pathetic films such as Elusive, but there are real cinema masterpieces such as: Apocalypse today, an all-metal shell, a platoon, and there is nothing patriotic in these masterpieces.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv April 16 2013 23: 08
      +1
      "... there is nothing patriotic about these masterpieces." - you are wrong: the truth is always patriotic, a lie is never.
  25. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 16 2013 20: 30
    +2
    you need to make your own movies and computer games, then there will be no problems. And then you look at the bastards or 4 days in May - and you are tempted to watch "Saving Private Ryan".
  26. Averias
    Averias April 16 2013 20: 35
    +2
    And what, well, at least among the participants of this resource, there is at least someone who takes Hollywood "patriotic masterpieces" - seriously? More, less a film with a tinge of truth, this is “The Fall of the“ Black Hawk Down. ”Well, maybe a couple of three,“ War, ”for example. And everything else - just laugh.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 16 2013 21: 53
      +3
      Quote: Averias
      Well, maybe a couple of three, "War" for example. And all the rest is to laugh.

      I will add "Checkpoint", "Penal Battalion", no matter how they criticize it, and how many "minuses" I received for it.
      Oh, I'm afraid that right now the girl will come here with KULEmEt on the author, and the "salon tango" will sound ...
      hi
    2. Contrpropaganda
      Contrpropaganda April 17 2013 06: 41
      +1
      Quote: Averias
      More, less a film with a tinge of truth, this is The Fall of the Black Hawk Down.

      The only thing that is more or less truthfully reflected in "Hawk" is the fact of losses incurred by the Americans. Starting with this picture, the American man in the street begins to accustom them to the fact that their soldiers, it turns out, can also die. For the rest - open lies and omissions, for example, the fact of opening fire on an unarmed crowd and mass casualties for this reason is completely silenced. The attitude of the population of Mogadishu to such "peacekeepers" was also corresponding.

      Here's how excited the peaceful salvation of the Americans in the film is:
    3. Contrpropaganda
      Contrpropaganda April 17 2013 06: 44
      +4
      But what really happened:
  27. SEM
    SEM April 16 2013 21: 49
    +4
    Better than the film "Officers" of the Soviet production in terms of patriotism, there is little that can compete, especially Hollywood with its endless action films ... WHO AGREE ?????
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 16 2013 22: 03
      +7
      Quote: SEM
      WHO AGREES ?????

      I agree. Although I would add "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", "Only old men go to battle" (and in general Bykov's films)
      In fact, all the old Soviet films about the war and the army carry a very large charge of patriotism.
    2. navy33
      navy33 April 17 2013 15: 54
      +2
      completely agree, and yet, they fought for their homeland,
  28. VadimSt
    VadimSt April 16 2013 22: 20
    +2
    Most of our patriotic films reproduce realistic events, after which, often, there is a feeling of deep empathy for the fate of the heroes, as well as an association with the tragic pages of our history. Americans, and not only them, focus on the fictional salvation of all mankind, admiration for their heroes, and the superiority of the Western way of life. There are, of course, exceptions - with interest and emotion I watched their film "The Patriot" (Mel Gibson), "Speakers with the Wind" (Nicholas Cage) and others.
    Probably, there is something to be learned, first of all, it seems to me that it is to get away from scourging our own history, to more clearly separate artistic fiction and artistic reconstruction of real events.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 16 2013 22: 58
      +4
      Quote: VadimSt
      I think this is to get away from scourging our own history, to more clearly separate artistic fiction and artistic reconstruction of real events.

      Yes.
      Hollywood "takes" by the presentation of the material, "wrapper". The candy itself is usually "with a taste".
  29. Murzyak
    Murzyak April 16 2013 23: 08
    +3
    Remember the words of our Soviet Mueller (Armor) about the revival of fascism: "We will appeal to the young, those who do not know. Do not remember the war." Who is now the main consumer of this American gum? Children - 8-14 years old. You have heard how they discuss the films they have watched, that the quality of the script is being discussed, the acting is not the case. These films are intended for them. And it is not necessary to say that amers do not have the education of patriotism, in almost any more or less average film there are moments that make the heart beat faster, especially a child's. It can be just a few seconds, like frame 33. And unfortunately this shot does not work for us. Therefore, we should do something and learn from the Americans - how to make spectacular films (but with the 33rd patriotic frame), from the French - in clever restriction of imports, from the Chinese - in censorship. True, all this depends largely on the will of those in power. Unfortunately it is not visible yet.
  30. wax
    wax April 16 2013 23: 43
    +2
    Nikita Mikhalkov from the same Oscar-winning.
    1. Temer
      Temer April 17 2013 05: 21
      +3
      Current from Nikita pulls sick.
  31. Specialsog
    Specialsog April 17 2013 00: 42
    0
    Quote: Sleptsoff
    There is nothing wrong with patriotic cinema, and we have a lot to learn from amers. Ours are also trying to make high-quality patriotic cinema, but often it comes out too pathetic and played out.

    I fully support
  32. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. April 17 2013 04: 28
    +1
    There is nothing wrong with patriotic cinema.
    I totally agree.

    But ...
    Lying and boasting unpatriotic.
    Brainless all-conquerors, indestructible movie heroes, bombs and sleeves - this is not a patriotic movie, but a narcotic poison, leading to limp hacking.

    A real patriotic movie - "They Fought for the Motherland" and "The Dawns Here Are Quiet".
    And, of course, "Seven Brave" and "Going My Way."

    In Hollywood, there is no patriotic movie, there is a pleasing to lowbrow self-bragging.
  33. Temer
    Temer April 17 2013 05: 20
    0

    ... And in recent days, a new masterpiece of Hollywood, “The Fall of Olympus”, has led our audience to mad delight. For those who have not yet seen: the White House captured by a detachment of North Korean militants, the last hope of the United States and locked up in the president’s bunker is in the hands of his former security guard.


    I was also pleased with the HomeFront toy, where the evil North Korea destroys the defenseless USA. Like, atakue zerg. :)
  34. Akellastambul
    Akellastambul April 17 2013 06: 11
    0
    Quote: Sleptsoff
    There is nothing wrong with patriotic cinema, and we have a lot to learn from amers. Ours are also trying to make high-quality patriotic cinema, but often it comes out too pathetic and played out.

    Pompously and pretentiously, you haven't watched "The Fall of Olympus", especially the moment when the American flag, torn by bullets for two minutes, falls from the White House. I have not seen SUCH Pathos even in Soviet films about percussion five-year plans.
  35. Akellastambul
    Akellastambul April 17 2013 06: 17
    +1
    "... And in recent days, our audience is furiously delighted with the new masterpiece of Hollywood, The Fall of Olympus. For those who have not yet seen: the White House is captured by a detachment of North Korean militants, the last hope of the United States and the president locked in a bunker is in the hands of his former security guard . "

    Gerald Butler leads the girls in frenzied delight, not the film.
  36. mojohed
    mojohed April 17 2013 06: 35
    0
    As a result - pro-Russian film gurus - give the people opium. Unfortunately, a historical memory is formed by the cinema opium in Russia. People, discussing the history of the event, for some reason remember not the authors of historical research, not the historical works of famous scientists =, not the memoirs of eyewitnesses, but the films are feature films. Just recently they were arguing with a friend, so he argued that near Moscow one German tank - a tiger painted white, the whole tank army of Soviets could not be destroyed, and he burned a lot of ours. Or the girl alone claimed that Zhukov was gay, just like Peter the Great — she knows for sure — saw an American film about it. This is how the history of the people is formed from such episodes.
  37. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 17 2013 09: 15
    +1
    Russian cinema (NOT SOVIET), namely Russian, is alas a diagnosis, except for a few films, everything else is a dull Mr..
  38. redwar6
    redwar6 April 17 2013 10: 38
    0
    For me, Soviet films will always remain an example and model, the best of the best patriotic films were shot in the USSR: Liberation, Ships storming the bastions, Seventeen moments of spring, Admiral Ushakov, Alexander Nevsky .. There are many more, each can be reviewed 10 times, this is a REAL MOVIE ! And we can’t shoot a normal film about the Second World War ..
  39. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder April 17 2013 11: 12
    +2
    Yes, showing such films and playing games - where you have to "kill" your own - it is extremely difficult to grow up as a patriot ... unless a US patriot
    1. Proud.
      Proud. April 17 2013 11: 54
      0
      As in an anecdote. Amers landed a landing on Ukraine. They walk down the street and see Grandfather on a bench: "Hello, Didu! Hello, the enemy is strong! What is the enemy's strength, if the guys are good? What are the good guys, if you are negroes?"
  40. Alexey M
    Alexey M April 17 2013 12: 29
    0
    We need to learn from a potential adversary of the information war. In 2008, the whole world was sure that we attacked Georgia! The whole West is sure that they won the Great Patriotic War. Yesterday I watched the telly there talked about the valiant British army as it fought in the First World War. They talked a little about everyone about the French, Germans, Dutch, Belgians, Amers even remembered about Russia, they said two words. And the fact that the Germans had the largest losses on the eastern front. So, they are engaged in PR of their native state honorably and profitably. we, in principle, also recall Mikholkov. But we need to do this at the state level! Since this is the face of the state. We make a lot of good and not very good films about the war. But we Russians ourselves sometimes do not understand what the director wanted to say with this film, what then do we expect from foreigners. Here's to take a rambo everything is simple to the point of absurdity, they are bad. In the first part they drenched in the second and the next strangers. It’s just not intricate beautiful. This is how a movie should be for the West. And you need to teach your children to love and respect your motherland. Let your history be taught. also at the state level it’s necessary to engage in. So that people are not afraid to go it’s necessary to accustom them to kindergarten. Excursions to military units should be led by equipment. And so the army has nowhere to separate from society. It’s necessary to carry out military games to raise patriotism, Here it is necessary to learn from amers and not to turn the nose.
  41. Hort
    Hort April 17 2013 13: 36
    0
    of the last more or less good films I can only recall "Mogilev Frontier" (although it is not Russian, but Belarusian), "Brest Fortress" (if we close our eyes to the airsoft fighting style) and "Three Days of Lieutenant Frolov".

    But one can only dream of films like "The Pacific Ocean" and "Brothers in Arms" ... But according to the recollections of our veterans, you can make a series just as good!


    Guys, can we fold and hire Hanks and Spielberg to make us a good movie about the Great Patriotic War? And then you can't wait from our "geniuses of cinema", everyone strives to make a citadel or a military field fantasy :)
  42. Ulysses
    Ulysses April 17 2013 14: 27
    0
    K-19 Non-Hollywood History.
    IMHO, the film is both honest and patriotic.
    Maybe because the documentary ???
  43. na76
    na76 April 17 2013 14: 48
    0
    Quote: Postman
    Why Bad Wind Talkers (Windtalkers)

    Everyone is good, which is probably why his pindos were rented at the box office.
  44. PACIFIST
    PACIFIST April 17 2013 15: 56
    0
    Cinema industry + media is propaganda, whether we want it or not, but unfortunately their films are on our screen and on television, but our films are not available at the box office
  45. xetai9977
    xetai9977 11 May 2013 21: 51
    +1
    Quote: Sleptsoff

    Sleptsoff
    (3)

    April 17 2013 16: 15

    ↑ ↓


    Well, yes, they forcibly pour vodka to us. One of the problems of the Russian people is to blame everyone except themselves, with such a position, we will never solve pressing problems.

    totally agree with you