American fighter F-35V first made a vertical landing at night

In the US, the fifth-generation fighter F-35B, passing the test, for the first time made a vertical landing at night, reports Wtkr.com.

In the video, distributed the other day by the Pentagon, you can see how an airplane with a thrust vectoring control makes a short run up and takes off, and after a while it still hangs in the air with the engine nozzle pointing down and lands vertically, like a helicopter, reports RIA "News".

The modification with a shortened takeoff and vertical landing is intended for the US Marine Corps.

The test flights of the F-35 were temporarily stopped in February, when a crack was discovered in the turbine blades of an engine prototype during tests. However, a representative of the company that conducted the incident investigation later stated that this was due to the operating conditions and that this was not a design defect. Flights have been resumed.

F-35 was developed by aircraft manufacturer Lockheed Martin and is the second American fighter of the fifth generation. The aircraft is designed using low-visibility technology and can carry nuclear warheads. The production of one machine costs the Americans 137 million dollars.

In December last year, the US Department of Defense signed a contract with Lockheed Martin to buy another batch of these aircraft, totaling about $ 3,8 billion. The first aircraft of this type, the F22 Raptor, is the only fifth-generation fighter in the world to go into service.

Comments

[fzr1000]

Well. Yours ... pooh. I was upset, in short.

[Nevsky]

American fighter F-35V ....

American? And what's that?

[klimpopov]

But this is no longer ...

[Heccrbq]

This is a prototype f-35)))

[alex-defensor]

No, we should not update the Yak, since at this stage of technology development, vertical takeoff and landing have the following disadvantages:

1. Increased fuel consumption (on takeoff ~ 35-40%)
2. Unstable balance and, as a result, possible disasters during bad weather;
3. The weighting and complexity of the design and, as a consequence, less payload.

We consider our solution with a shortened take-off due to engine power and a controlled thrust vector OPTIMAL at this stage of technological progress

[vjhbc]

this is all true but there is one thing but the survivability of airfields and airplanes on them and only the vertical line allows dispersal and it outweighs all the shortcomings and again, but this is only necessary for a war with an equal enemy so both are needed

Quote: alex-defensor

No, we should not update the Yak, since at this stage of technology development, vertical takeoff and landing have the following disadvantages:

1. Increased fuel consumption (on takeoff ~ 35-40%)
2. Unstable balance and, as a result, possible disasters during bad weather;
3. The weighting and complexity of the design and, as a consequence, less payload.

We consider our solution with a shortened take-off due to engine power and a controlled thrust vector OPTIMAL at this stage of technological progress

[Sotnik77s]

Someone with us podsuetsilsya while there was confusion and leaked our plane amer and with all the documentation !!!!!!!!!!!!

[No_more]

the continuation of our response to the harrier, with the Yak-38 we were catching up with them, but here they almost caught up.

[Trailer]

Do not worry. At night it is, of course, the ropes stretched worse are visible!

[lelyk72]

crane, by the way, too))))

[Stiletto]

From what? First time see a Hollywood movie? :-)))))

[sergius60]

Why upset? Test pilot planted on the concrete. After all, howls were about how with this miracle to be guided by STERVOY pilots. And in the field conditions! The most interesting is ahead ...

[fzr1000]

At night, all this was done in order, because night flights are more difficult-showed the capabilities of the aircraft. Well, the work of blood pressure looks more effective. I think that somehow.

[Papakiko]

Quote: fzr1000

I think that somehow.

You will see how YAKs and "hari" hang and all the staging and picturesqueness of the attempts of the "mattress" from the f-35V becomes clear.

[Bashkaus]

Well, don't be so upset. Rejoice for the guys, now the main thing is that he would sooner be put on the conveyor in large quantities, and the fact that it is difficult to manage such crap or that the performance characteristics have to be reduced for the sake of a vertical pribluda, besides, the war will write off the intensively consuming kerosene. The more G they rivet, the better than now they will come to the conclusion that this is G and will not really start making "candy"

[tronin.maxim]

The American F-35B fighter first made a vertical landing at night. WHAT ACHIEVEMENTS!

[Russian knight]

Why upset then? Ours will be at least no worse, even better

[fzr1000]

What is our SKVVP? Something I do not remember anything about the prototypes.

[Denis]

Quote: fzr1000

Our SKVVP what

There was a Yak-141, so it was slibersted and rebuilt, but it's a pity

[fzr1000]

Yes, there is no it for a long time. 20 years no longer.

[Denis]

Quote: fzr1000

Yes, there is no it for a long time. 20 years already gone

That is a pity that was
It seems to me that there are enough 141 achievements in this, they were already interested in

[Nayhas]

"There was a Yak-141, so it was sleepoved and rebuilt, which is a pity" - in fact, it crashed and burned down during testing. Those. did not pass the tests and the work was curtailed, in short it did not work out ...

[Denis]

Quote: Nayhas

in short, it didn’t work out.

Can you recall many cars whose tests went smoothly right away?

The crisis that occurred after the collapse of the USSR, the accident that happened with one of the prototypes, and also the negative attitude of the military towards the “vertical lines” that had taken shape at that time led to a total cessation of funding and the closure of the project

Such rubbish turned out and turned, but not because it was bad

[fzr1000]

What has it to do with the fact that he crashed? A lot of things were beaten in the process of creation, testing and development. There were two copies in general. The crashed one was more fully equipped. The work was curtailed, because the customer, the Ministry of Defense, together with the Navy, "cooled down" to the VTOL aircraft itself, and the deck modifications of the "land" fighters were more reliable and better than the Yak in their combat qualities at that time. Well, grandmother, money, loot, funding, budget ...

[Ghenxnumx]

Quote: Nayhas

in fact, it crashed and burned down during tests. Those. did not pass the tests and the work was turned off, in short, it did not work out ...

According to your statements, we should not have a strategic nuclear forces now, since the missiles exploded on take-off during the tests and people died in these tests.

[Krapovy32]

Yes, he already has so many sores that until they eliminate them we will already have something to answer them

[patsantre]

Well, list chtol) those that have not yet been eliminated.

[crocodile25]

In the United States, the fifth-generation fighter F-35B, undergoing testing, first made a vertical landing at night

Another 10-15 years and the plane will learn to fly vertically !!!

[Nayhas]

"To date, the F-35B flotilla has completed a total of approximately 700 short takeoffs and over 380 vertical landings."
http://www.pw.utc.com/News/Story/20130405-1200/2013/All%20Categories

[Vasily79]

Dates for such dibs, he should land on the moon with his belly up

[CAMS]

5th generation !? we have 4 ++ is not inferior to the 5th

[queen]

Quote: KAMS

not inferior to the 5th

And who said that the fifth penguin? He does not pull up to him. What will he have a combat radius with under such regimes? Yes, and what will he carry on himself. If you take off half the work for a short time, but sit down with a load vertically, the navel will untie. Not a plane complete misunderstanding)

[Romn]

The adversary’s successes should not be depressed, but only forced to work and be proactive. I am confident in our designers and scientists, they will also show what they are worth. Let's wait for our handsome 5 generation!

[Suhov]

Quote: Romn

The adversary’s successes should not be depressed, but only forced to work and be proactive.

You should always remember that the enemy is not asleep!

[queen]

Quote: Romn

only make work and be proactive

+ But at this stage we do not even need it theoretically. The Yak-141 was a breakthrough car of the time, but it was a search for a new one. And for the T-50, don’t worry, he studies and does it well)))

[Dimani]

American fighter F-35V first made a vertical landing at night

And what, the landing site did not even light with flashlights?

[WWW.budanov]

Maybe they were afraid that it would fall apart or "slip"!

[Averias]

To be honest, it's enough to read about their "super achievements". The title of the article should sound something like this - At the cost of incredible efforts (financial and human), the F-35 was finally able to make a vertical landing. Everyone breathed a sigh of relief and crossed themselves. The pilot from nervous tension was sent to rehabilitation with subsequent early retirement.
Damn, do we have nothing to brag about and surprise ourselves? Although it is certainly correct, why "shine" your developments and achievements (and they do exist, the same submarine class "Borey", PAK FA, after all, its performance characteristics and so on are still a secret, there is only general infa). As it is a little offensive for the state.

[sergius60]

Dear, even the fact that even I have learned so far, and these are really pitiful crumbs, IS ENOUGH for the power not to be offended. MO and "office" - advertising agencies somehow never earned money ...

[Averias]

If you paid attention, then I said - A LITTLE insult. And a little higher, I said that it is correct that we do not "shine" the development. What is the problem then?

[bulvas]

If you recall who helped them ...

[Denis]

Everything when it happens for the first time, it was a night F-117 case over Yugoslavia flew ...
And this is the same good way

[smart ass]

It seems to me ... they are deceiving our brother !! Distributed like the Pentagon ... like a leak ... then why at night ???? That in the daytime, it does not fly!? Like ... they bought a harikkein from the English ... they hung cardboard on it (as in Soviet films about the war, German tanks from t 55 did) and forward to show "NEW"

[lelyk72]

Who minuses stuck a friend? Uncle joked, joked successfully, cons why ????

[patsantre]

Sucks a joke.

[sergius60]

And you can without frank stupid things? VTOL aircraft once called Harrier ("Hound"), but not Hurricane ("Hurricane"). Just to blurt out something?

[Averias]

I support. Before you say anything, you need to at least know the correct names. And then they will hear a ringing ... . It's like they say about the LHC, more than a dozen times, from venerable news channels, the presenters say - ANDRON COLLIDER, instead of HADRON. Literacy pancake.

[smart ass]

AXA completely admit my MISTAKE) I wrote very quickly, it flew out))) sorry comrades, but when I wrote I thought about HARIER) They attacked the defenseless wise guy right away !!!

[sergius60]

How can you deprive yourself of the joy of YOUR "poski-p-and-d-a-r-i-t"! (I clarify right away, I mean exactly - a liquid mixture obtained from the resin of coniferous trees, and God forbid what they thought.) This let the ENEMIES remain ignorant.

[FunkschNNX]

So he seems to be completely in the machine should sit upright, and what is the difference between the machine day or night?
Once it takes off with a short take-off, it seems that nifiga amers did not solve the main problem of the UHV - a negligible payload.

[pensioner]

Quote: tronin.maxim

The American F-35B fighter first made a vertical landing at night. WHAT ACHIEVEMENTS!

Yes, not a fact. No wonder they did everything at night. Neither x ... I can be seen. Yes, on any sat without taking off. So, buzzed for the order and all.

[patsantre]

But Nitsche, that during the day he already took off hundreds of times and sat down?

[newcomer]

Quote: Clever man

.bought a harikkein from the British .... hung cardboard on it (as in Soviet films about the war, German tanks made of 55 tons) and forward to show "NEW"

that's just the point. they themselves also said in whose traditions to sculpt bullshit for domestic consumption. and that the harricane was remembered is correct. it was on harrikeins, kittyhocks and aerocobras that our Stalinist falcons defended their homeland from the Nazis, and not the "Englishwomen" defended their homeland in our moments, yaks, lags and donkeys. if amers do something better than we do, (and this is almost always) we must rejoice and learn to work with them. Or again, in case of war, will we run to them for help?

[Zopuhhh]

You do not voice the context of our use of their technology? And the scale of use, or even the truth, will turn out that the Americans won the war, and we only flew a little ...

[nikolas 83]

Why doesn’t he sit down during the day? Another Hollywood movie. Special effects

[SPIRITofFREEDOM]

Catch up and overtake !!!!

[patsantre]

Wake up, we are not in the USSR. And the latter also fell apart partly from such slogans (SDI)

[Kavtorang]

And who doesn’t like it? The adversary is cursed?
Flies, takes off and lands. IMHO, they will soon begin to practice close air combat and attacks on ground targets. This modification to the requirements of the deck carrier, the carriers of the Americans - at least assholes. It is not necessary to spray with drool, but to evaluate the need for such a demon in our naval aviation. Do we need this or not? IMHO, that no - there is nothing to base on.
For our YAK-141 - sorry, the topic died a hundred years in the afternoon

[Odysseus]

Quote: Kavtorang

It is not necessary to spray with drool, but to evaluate the need for such a demon in our naval aviation.

Competent comment. You need to think more about your affairs than about the US.

Quote: Kavtorang

Do we need this or not? IMHO, that no - there is nothing to base on.

Actually, it’s needed, of course. But at the moment it’s utopia.
But what’s very important is the plans of the Ministry of Defense to put Zhuk-m on the Mig-29K. It’s just very bad. It’s stupid to start an expensive modernization of an aircraft carrier and building planes, getting an outdated plane at the exit. Of course, then it can be modified, but why such a loss of time?

[shpuntik]

And why is everything at night? Maybe something would not be visible on the cable, which is lowered during landing? :-)

[Vanek]

Quote: shpuntik

And why is everything at night?

Shy.

[Zopuhhh]

Shameless face, but shy? )))

[TRAFFIC]

Honestly, people who write such comments amaze

It may be that the cable was not visible, which is lowered during landing

Why doesn’t he sit down during the day? Another Hollywood movie. Special effects

It would seem that the Internet gave mankind an unprecedented level of access to information, what is the problem of watching on YouTube a lot of videos with landing during the day and even on an aircraft carrier and not writing such nonsense?

[shpuntik]

Why nonsense at once? You are probably one of those who believe that the Americans were on the moon. Explain why landing at night is presented as something extraordinary? I personally see it as a video report to American taxpayers (senators in particular), and if there is a cable, I will not be surprised. Since the money is not small invested, and the same amount will go away, and in vain. I do not consider it promising, although the solutions are interesting. And this is by the way not because they are so smart, these Americans, but because they have something to pay-printing press (swindlers in our opinion). Therefore, as a nation, they are not my authority. Secondly. Our weapons are the best and most effective in the world. Proven by practice. For example, take the German tank "Tiger" - it was once a masterpiece, but at a cost six times more expensive than the T-34. Automatic PPSh-up to 80% of the parts were manufactured by stamping. You know who won. Draw your own conclusions. And, about the cable and crane "Liebherr" - do not take it seriously, this is a joke. A joke in which there is some truth. And, here's what proportion, we'll see ...

[TRAFFIC]

[quote] You are probably one of those who believe that the Americans were on the moon. / quote] Believe in God, and this is a fact.
[quote] Explain why landing at night is presented as something extraordinary? [/ quote] Who is presented? This is one of the tests that the F-35 must pass.
[Quote] and if there is a cable, I won’t be surprised at all. [/ quote] and more about the joke, once again, there are many F-35 landing videos and as many people saw this, deny the possibility of a vertical landing of this aircraft, well, to put it easier, probably nonsense. Everything else in your post is politics.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Nayhas

did not pass the tests and the work was turned off, in short, it did not work out ...

A negative result, also a result. And the drawings have been preserved. For the future.

[Kuzkin Batyan]

That is, they adopted the aircraft, never using it at night during testing ?? However..

[Kavtorang]

Quote: TRAFIC

Honestly, people who write such comments amaze
It may be that the cable was not visible, which is lowered during landing
Why doesn’t he sit down during the day? Another Hollywood movie. Special effects
It would seem that the Internet gave mankind an unprecedented level of access to information, what is the problem of watching on YouTube a lot of videos with landing during the day and even on an aircraft carrier and not writing such nonsense?

I’ll tell you more - even in the magazine ZVO for 2012 there was a color picture of the F-35B deck day launch - a normal military man is enough.
But here is the specificity of the site: the first thing to do is to declare hosanna Glory to Russia, then you need to annihilate the anathema to the Americans, then do not forget to proclaim the anathema to the geyurope, small-shavens and paddling pools. Then you need to write about nuclear weapons in Russia, which is only cooler than eggs, be sure to shoot all light armored vehicles from RPG-7

[sergius60]

Dear, there is so much shit around, so at least on the site you can talk to normal men. with him, sometimes you can bark. But here are all OWN. By spirit, by conviction. They just DON'T CARE. And "to proclaim Hosanna Glory to Russia" is HOPE! There will be no hope for her, you can look after bitches thicker. So life has been lived in vain. So you did nonsense. But others ...

[lelyk72]

I am not a military man, and I am not a pilot or an aircraft designer. Nevertheless, I won’t believe in truth that TAKEOFF during the day is the same as landing at night, especially on an aircraft carrier.

[sergius60]

There will be something to base on. Container ships inclusive. The Yak-38 also practiced takeoff and landing on the Nikolay Cherkasov container ship. What "trick" VTOL aircraft consists in, it is a practical "omnivorous" on the carriers. And if you add a container version of "Caliber" to the deck, in general an interesting "Lego" can come out. The only real problem with them is that in vertical takeoff modes the fuel is consumed immeasurably. The carrying capacity is somehow not very good.
Dvigatelists will make an economical "heart-fiery motor", you can think about something. If they don't, then "the game is not worth the candle."

[Kavtorang]

Nice to talk to a smart person
Here is just to base and there is nothing to be found. Well, there are simply no ships.
The merchant fleet will fail. Except for Sovcomflot, everything is under the flags. And Sovcomflot is 90% tankers and gas carriers. If you show me how the "ARAPAKO" convoy-based system was developed in relation to a tanker, I will take off my hat.
I am aware of the pilot testing of the SVPP on the Cherkasov, but I have not seen the final decision.
And let's not move to the country of Fantasy: 16-32 aircraft units (the same "Harrier" AV-8-II, 4 PLO / PiS helicopters) are equipped with an expeditionary BTG of a full complement, with a tank company.

[sergius60]

Dear Cavtorang, "a kind word and nice to the cat."
I agree with you on the situation - NOW! But of course you are aware of what is happening with the world economy. And then it will be much more fun. After the "sequestration" of the budget from minke whales, there is now such a "oh-la-la" begins, you can choke on saliva. Of the 10 AUGs, FOUR are stored. And this is the general course for cutting shipyards. If they just drown in the ocean, like their predecessors. The Chinese comrades have already "lathered" to build SIX aircraft carriers. 2 of the "Varyag" type, the turbines with the Kharkov plant have ALREADY agreed to "rivet". And 4, obviously, is atomic. I will not be surprised at the "striking similarity" with "Ulyanovsk". China has one very serious vulnerability. Communications. Marine. Now, I don’t remember exactly, but 3/4 of the freight traffic falls on the SEA, it is dear ... Throwing quotes in the style of "... who owns the sea ..." is probably not worth it. And so everything is clear. I don’t envy amerskim admirals in 10 years. They will start to nightmare not childishly ... The British already have experience. After the Second World War, almost for every "steamer" REMAINING in the ranks, there was an admiral, of course, who were generally in service. No kidding.
By the way, last week the LAST amersky tank left Germany. Angles, too, lathered up. And the "Bundes" themselves should have something 150 pieces left. Cost savings, crisis, you know.
So, in such situations, even 2-4 Russian AVs in 10 years, it will be POWER. And for the history of the state, this is an instant. I really hope that kids in history lessons, in 50 years, will even stop noticing the "short-term failure in the development" of the Russian Armed Forces. And why is it soared, because around the GREAT RUSSIA!

[vorobey]

about progress. Already glad that no one was injured.

So I'm not a flyer men. As M. Gorky said. Born to crawl can’t fly, but explain to me
this is not a link. how can it be?

quote.
when, during tests of a prototype aircraft, a crack was detected in the engine turbine blade However, the representative of the company conducting the investigation of the incident, later said that this is due to operating conditions and this is not a design defect

[UzRus]

Unacceptable operating conditions, hehe ...

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: UzRus

Unacceptable operating conditions, hehe

In-in! Of course! Where it is seen that when the turbine is working, the wind blows into the blades with a pressure of hundreds of atmospheres, and under 1000 degrees temperature! That's terrible!
Bring the turbine into normal conditions immediately! Room temperature, zero pressure and no centrifugal force!

[Kavtorang]

Quote: Kavtorang

Quote: TRAFIC

Honestly, people who write such comments amaze
It may be that the cable was not visible, which is lowered during landing
Why doesn’t he sit down during the day? Another Hollywood movie. Special effects
It would seem that the Internet gave mankind an unprecedented level of access to information, what is the problem of watching on YouTube a lot of videos with landing during the day and even on an aircraft carrier and not writing such nonsense?

I’ll tell you more - even in the magazine ZVO for 2012 there was a color picture of the F-35B deck day launch - a normal military man is enough.
But here is the specificity of the site: the first thing to do is to declare hosanna Glory to Russia, (although all that is glorified is mainly the USSR) further, you need to annihilate the anathema to the Americans, then do not forget to proclaim the anathema to the geyurope, small-shavens and paddles. After that, you need to write about the nuclear weapons of Rossi that only eggs are cooler, be sure to shoot all light armored vehicles from RPG-7 (I always want to comment on foreign BTT commentators-observers in the BTR-80 and charge it from the personnel RPG-29)

Well and further, m. you will be happy.

[Russian knight]

Quote: Russian Knight

Why upset then? Ours will be at least no worse, even better

And why am I minus? Explain ka please.

[Kavtorang]

I put you a plus, so as not to be upset. Ours will not be - there is no concept of application.

[Per se.]

Quote: Russian knight

Ours will not be - there is no concept of application.

Only, the lack of a concept is best attributed not to VTOL aircraft, but to the short-sighted heads of our bosses. It is bitter to realize that having pulled ahead with the Yak-141, we have forgotten the topic, but here we are scoffing at work in the USA. Yankees are not fools, they will bring the fighter to mind. This is not only an aircraft for the fleet, it is also an aircraft in case of a global war, when kilometer runways and aircraft in hangars will be covered with a copper basin in a preemptive strike. The fact that we do not have ships for the upright, so when they appear, it will be too late to "drink Borjomi", and we, after all, have already ordered the same "Mistrals", and we are going to build other ships.

[Per se.]

Quote: Kavtorang

Our will not be - no concept of application

Only, the concept of using VTOL aircraft is not in the short-sighted heads of our chiefs, and not in VTOL aircraft as such. It is bitter to realize that having pulled ahead with the Yak-141, we have lost this topic, and here we are only naively mocking work in the USA. Yankees are not fools, they will bring the fighter to mind. This is not only an aircraft for the fleet, but also an aircraft in the event of a global war, when kilometer runways, along with aircraft attached to them, will be covered with a copper basin in a preemptive strike. The fact that we do not have ships now for verticals, so when they appear, it will be too late to "drink Borjomi", and we, after all, ordered the same "Mistrals", and we are going to build other ships.

[bulvas]

As the saying goes "with whom you will lead ..."
The style of many performances here (and elsewhere) resembles shooting from machine guns into the air and shouts of "Allah Akbar ..." of bearded men with towels on their heads.

there is no need to think about anything, it is enough to shout “we are better! we have more! etc.
night landing, unlike day landing, which means automation is fully working

[vorobey]

Quote: bulvas

you don't need to think about anything, just shout "we are better! we have more! etc."

ay well done, ay uterus in the eyes cut the truth. Just explain please friendly such a difference. Ours, before starting the series, all run in and experience. and then the series went. the dough from the vassals was cut down and now they are also testing along the way. By the way, why do vassals gradually refuse or reduce purchases of these predators and lightning?

not because the predator turns into a harmless hamster, and lightning into a sun bunny. And everything is called in one word - zilch.

[Kavtorang]

Quote: bulvas

night landing, unlike day landing, which means automation is fully working

An optical approach control system is operating. Roughly speaking, all landing lights should be the same color, if not - you need to go to the second round.

[bulvas]

Quote: vorobey

ay well done, ay uterus in the eyes cut the truth. Just explain please friendly such a difference. Ours, before starting the series, all run in and experience. and then the series went. the dough from the vassals was cut down and now they are also testing along the way. By the way, why do vassals gradually refuse or reduce purchases of these predators and lightning?

not because the predator turns into a harmless hamster, and lightning into a sun bunny. And everything is called in one word - zilch.

Does Soviet (and Russian technology) always work the first time? there are no errors, improvements, accidents ...
do not refuse our equipment?
Is Russian equipment in first place in the world?

There are no miracles. Everything new is given with labor, blood and huge costs. Without these victims, the new does not appear.

If you notice, the main idea is about screaming and stupid shooting

[Hemi cuda]

How many years I think why they need f-22 and f-35 and I do not understand the meaning of these chainsaws for the budget.

[Kavtorang]

Quote: Hemi Cuda

How many years I think why they need f-22 and f-35 and I do not understand the meaning of these chainsaws for the budget.

About the same meaning as from PAK-FA and others like them. Nothing new in this raging world. Give us a budget button accordion - we will tear it to crap

[Hemi cuda]

In the T-50, the meaning is even in the F / A-22, although it was realized through the ass but the F-35 is stupid.

[Atrix]

It is interesting to look at the assembly shop where fighters are assembled in Russia.

[Hemi cuda]

Look in the articles for a lot of photos posted.

[Ezhaak]

It seems that it’s not the plane itself that is being assembled, but just some nodes filling the glider. According to the description, there seems to be an assembly of components and parts of the wing. However, coolly automated feed to jobs.

[Old skeptic]

C'mon, f-3,5 is a good plane,
the best of its kind
moreover unbreakable,
because "born to crawl cannot fall"

[nikolas 83]

Old Skeptic Come on, f-3,5 is a good plane,
the best of its kind
moreover unbreakable,
because "born to crawl cannot fall" [/ Quote]

I completely agree. Our PAK FA is still better. Easier, cheaper, more maneuverable and longer without refueling.

[newcomer]

Quote: nikolas 83

I completely agree. Our PAK FA is still better. Easier, cheaper, more maneuverable and longer without refueling.

Yeah ... the trouble is that our Pak Fak is NOT! and most likely there will be almost no. because Recently, our military aircraft are produced by the small-scale screwdriver assembly method. Amers of raptors alone released more than we all put together in the same time.

[sergius60]

Just repeating an old trick that ALREADY worked great. The guys happily launched the F-15 into the series, and after five years they received a "joyful" meeting with the Su-27. Only about the "small batch" you got a little excited. Su-class fighters cost 50-80 MILLION evergreens. Everyone's beloved Mistral (an excellent ship for the work it was created with + Zenit-9 BIUS, they somehow forget about it or stupidly don't know.) = 600 million dollars. At a minimum, we get 12 units. Squadron. Now we are waiting for "joyful" smiles from the meeting with the T-50 (I wonder what they will call the Su-37?)

[Ruslan Bear]

people do you think in close combat su 27cm3 against f22 who whom?

[Alexey M]

We laugh in vain. The enemy is not asleep. In 3-5 years they will finish. And we are our PAX?

[Ezhaak]

Are you in doubt I have no doubt that PAK-FA will be adopted. Another thing is that Russia, to be honest, will find it difficult to assemble 200-300 aircraft in a short time.

[sergius60]

By 2020, it is planned to release 60 units. BUT! The T-50 will also have long-range missiles, while the F-22 will NOT and will not. There is simply no room in the internal compartments. And this is not a "jamb" of constructors. The terms of reference were issued in glorious times, when "it was clear to everyone" that a huge polar fox had come to Russia. Well, why bother? Who is it really to fight with? And here - "Saprise". Rumors of death were premature. Therefore, the T-50 (Su-37 ... 47 or whatever it is ...) will shoot "predators" (Raptor F-22) OUTSIDE the detection zone as "game". And the whole "tsimus" situation is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to fix anything! Last year, the production shop was successfully closed. And the equipment was eliminated. There will be no more "Predators", even to compensate for the natural decline. Normal "animals", for 150 lamas a little thing, turned out? Well, the US Air Force has such a karma. The MiG-15 against the Saber, the MiG-21 against the Phantom, the Su-27 against the Igl somehow turned out better in real CASE. The tradition is ...

[faint27]

I know why Moldovans plant potatoes at night, and why Americans do this with an airplane