Bad news about the Iron Dome

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The Israeli military recently reminded the public that the Iron Dome anti-missile system was not at all intended to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply). This reminder came after the Iron Dome successfully intercepted Hamas missile attacks (roughly 1500 missiles) in November last year. Many Israelis have suggested that this means that they can hope for similar protection in the event of a massive attack by Hamas or Hezbollah. However, the military noted that Hamas has more 5000 missiles, and Hezbollah has more than 40000. In the event that one or both of these groups launch several thousand rockets of the Iron Dome battery, they will have to be used primarily to protect military bases and power plants (national security facilities) before attempting to protect civilian objects. With a less massive attack of the existing number of batteries, the Iron Dome will be enough to protect all objects, which is what happened last year. Before it becomes possible to purchase more Iron Dome batteries, a massive rocket attack will leave many Israeli civilian targets vulnerable.

This is not the first time when the military point to this. In the first it happened three years ago after scoring plans to place new Iron Dome batteries for storage. At that time, politicians often mentioned the Iron Dome as a means of protecting people in the country living in close proximity to the border and vulnerable to missile attacks fired from the Gaza Strip in the south and from Lebanon and in the north. However, it turned out that the Iron Dome needed about 15 seconds to detect, identify the target, and launch interceptor missiles. Most of the civilian objects currently under attack from Gaza are so close to the border (within 13 km radius) that the missiles land in less than 15 seconds. When intercepting long-range missiles aimed at many other targets (civilian and military), the Iron Dome is effective. This was demonstrated in November last year.

Bad news about the Iron Dome


All of this explains why, after the Iron Dome declared to be combat-ready three years ago, it was unexpectedly placed in storage. The Air Force said they would prefer to save money and store the Iron Dome batteries for storage and deploy them only for regular exercises, as well as in the event of a real emergency (an expected large-scale attack on the south or north of Israel). Politicians demanded that at least one battery be deployed along the border with Gaza. The military has information about how Hamas and Hezbollah accumulate a large number of long-range missiles that would allow them to carry out a massive attack on Israeli military bases. The generals believe that it is more important to protect the armed forces, which will ultimately protect Israel and this is exactly what the Iron Dome will be used for.

Since 2010, Israel has acquired seven batteries for the missile defense system Iron Dome. Five of them took part in the interception of Hamas missiles in November last year, when a large number of long-range missiles were used. Each battery includes a radar, control equipment and four rocket launchers. The cost of each battery is about $ 37 million, which includes more than fifty Tamir missiles ($ 40 worth 000 each). The iron dome uses two radars to quickly calculate the trajectory of the attacking missile and does nothing if the calculation of the trajectory of the missile indicates that it is heading towards deserted terrain. However, if the calculations predict that the rocket is heading to a residential area, then guided missile interceptors are launched.



This approach makes the system cost-effective. The reason for this is that Hezbollah launched an order of 4000 rockets in the 2006 year, and Palestinian terrorists in the Gaza Strip fired over six thousand missiles over Israeli territory over the past eight years and the Israelis knew where each hit. More than 90 percent of these missiles landed in a deserted area, and only a few of those that actually hit settlements have resulted in human casualties. Israel has already launched a radar giving some warning of approaching missiles. The iron dome uses this radar in addition to another, more specialized radar deployed in southern Israel.

Palestinians, experts believe, will try to defeat the Iron Dome using salvo firing simultaneously in several cities. Theoretically, this can suppress one or two batteries of the Iron Dome. But Israel is able to keep unmanned aerial vehicles over 24 Gaza 7 hours a day and observe the attempts to deploy large salvo launchers. This will allow Israel to bomb many of these launch pads. This will lead to a large number of rockets destroyed on earth or their chaotic launch and their fall on the territory of Gaza or far from the targets to which they were directed. Since the Iron Dome is able to track hundreds of approaching missiles, quickly calculate their trajectory and place of probable fall, and also ignore most of the missiles that do not pose a danger to the population, Palestinians will try to simultaneously launch hundreds of large (long-range) missiles in order to cause Israel the maximum number of casualties. Until now, the Palestinians were not able to launch simultaneously a sufficient number of missiles.

Palestinian rocket attacks appeared around 2001 in the year, but they intensified significantly when Israel withdrew from Gaza in August of 2005. It was an unworked gesture of peace. From 2001-th to 2005-th year, about 700 missiles were fired from Gaza in Israel. After the retreat in 2005, more than 5000 rockets were fired at Israel. The number of rocket attacks increased even more with the advent of Hamas to power in June 2007 year.



Hamas is arming itself with more and more Iranian and Chinese BM-21 and BM-12 rockets of factory production. Israel believes that currently Hamas in the Gaza Strip possesses BM-21 factory rockets, each of which has a firing range of 20-40 kilometers. They also have a certain number of Soviet-developed B-12 missiles with a shorter range (six kilometers). The 122-mm BM-21 rocket weighs 68.2 kg, is 2.9 meters long. It carries the 20.5 kg warhead, but its accuracy is not much higher than the 107-mm model. However, these large missiles have a maximum range of 20 kilometers and a flight time of up to 15 seconds. Again, these rockets are unmanaged, and therefore they are effective only when used by a volley or on a large area target (for example, a city, a large military base or an industrial complex).



There are also Egyptian and Chinese versions of the BM-21 with a smaller warhead and a large rocket engine, which increases their range to about 40 kilometers and a flight time of more than 15 seconds. Israel believes that there are dozens of larger Iranian Fajr rockets with a range of 70 kilometers, as well as several hundred 122-mm missiles with an increased range (40 kilometers) and even more standard 122-mm missiles (20 kilometers) in Gaza. Until November last year, it was believed that there were more than 10000 missiles in Gaza. However, thanks to the Iron Dome, point bombing and shelling of their storage sites, more than half of these missiles were destroyed.
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  1. -2
    April 9 2013 08: 18
    PR, PR iron dome and it turned out to be just a piece of ineffective or ineffective iron!
    1. +31
      April 9 2013 08: 20
      PR, PR iron dome and it turned out to be just a piece of ineffective or ineffective iron!

      At least read the article, not to mention the study of materiel and statistics of interceptions. wink
      1. +29
        April 9 2013 08: 36
        Quote: professor
        At least read the article,

        Oh professor shalom! Yes, to hell with it with a dome, the more so. That they themselves translated the article. A clear opinion of various parties and no more.
        I watched an interesting interview on shale gas in the USA belay Professor, I’m completely at a loss, you wrote that everything is through, but it turns out that companies producing shale gas are on the verge of bankruptcy. Where is the cheap export gas promised by you, where is the profit?
        1. -5
          April 9 2013 08: 46
          Salam Alekum, are you sure this site is suitable for discussing shale gas? wink
          Cheap shale gas in America is a fact. Consumers (my colleagues have confirmed this) pay 5 times less than before. At the expense of bankruptcy is a natural process of eliminating the weak and the transition of quantitative changes to qualitative ones. At the beginning of the oil rush there was the same picture.
          1. +20
            April 9 2013 08: 53
            Quote: professor
            Are you sure this site is suitable for discussing shale gas?

            Professor, of course not! But running after you in a Sait ......... well, why really. When I'm sure you can give an answer, in the form of an exceptional exception and here wink
            Quote: professor
            At the expense of bankruptcy is a natural process of eliminating the weak

            We begin, Exxon could not get enough gas in Poland and said goodbye to the country. Chesapeake Energy, one of the industry leaders, actually went bankrupt with a deficit of $ 22 billion, BHP Billiton Ltd reduced the value of its share of assets in shale gas by $ 2,84 billion, and BG Group Plc. and Encana Corp - more than $ 3 billion, well, somehow. Shale, shale, and in Russia we do not feed well wink
            1. +2
              April 9 2013 09: 11
              I watched on Vesti on Sunday hit a slate. Smiled. laughing
              I've been "playing" stocks on Wall Street for many years and can assure you that the state of stocks does not always reflect the real picture (damned speculators wassat ). Nevertheless, gas in the "retail trade" in America is cheap, and no one sells it at a loss. This is a fact. As for the potential export, we'll wait and see.
              1. +8
                April 9 2013 09: 29
                Quote: professor
                I watched on Vesti on Sunday hit a slate. Smiled

                I am glad that we are watching the same channels with you.
                Quote: professor
                that stock status does not always reflect the real picture (damned speculators

                you will be surprised, but I have been proving to you for so long ............ that there are simply no words. Now you yourself are saying that the price of shares does not coincide with the real value, then it turns out that the real situation in the oil shale in a swamp laughing You just now breathed hope into Gazprom, I will urgently send your comment to Miller good
                Quote: professor
                ... Nevertheless, gas in the "retail trade" in America is cheap, and no one sells it at a loss.

                One tiny question, but how then do companies end up in bankruptcy with such profit opportunities what But I understand, it's all the damned speculators wassat
                1. -3
                  April 9 2013 09: 43
                  Now you say yourself that the price of shares does not coincide with the real value, then it turns out that the real situation in the shale is finally in the swamp

                  Quite the opposite. A couple of years ago, the market value of the company with which I work was two times lower than the amount of even cash in its accounts (about $ 400 million in cash), not to mention real estate, etc. The new CEO began to buy up not to lose the company (I hope you know how) own company stocks to make them less available. And gas in America is cheap, it’s a fact, the rest is talk.
              2. Atlon
                +17
                April 9 2013 10: 23
                Quote: professor
                I watched on Vesti on Sunday hit a slate. Smiled.

                What exactly smiled? An explosion in the kitchen sink? Yes, you are the original! For example, this horrifies me!
                1. 0
                  April 10 2013 07: 55
                  Can you imagine how an order for a report of such a plan is formed, and what can be crammed into this report if you wish? If the journalists wanted, there would be aliens in the kitchen, quite natural.
              3. 0
                April 9 2013 16: 34
                Our gas is very expensive !!! that's why I, like many, are switching to electricity, but about shale in our states all this is PR and political move
              4. 0
                April 9 2013 19: 24
                Gas is cheap due to subsidies from oil shale companies, and its production is dangerous for the environment, and production itself is on the verge of profitability.
          2. +8
            April 9 2013 09: 08
            Professor, you better tell me when the West, with the help of shale gas, is going to throw off Putin’s stranglehold and heal humanly?)))))))
            1. +10
              April 9 2013 09: 47
              This is my last comment on gas in this thread.
              Living in the West for more than one year, I did not observe the tension among the natives over their gas dependence on Russia. IMHO in Russia this topic is perceived as a "lever of pressure on the West", but in fact the Russian economy and especially its power is tied in the West more than it is on Russia. Even the daughters of Putin and Lavrov do not live in "friendly" Abkhazia or Venezuela, but in the "hostile" West.
              1. +8
                April 9 2013 10: 00
                Quote: professor
                This is my last comment on gas in this thread.

                I agree to the horn of American shale gas!
                Quote: professor
                Even the daughters of Putin and Lavrov do not live in "friendly" Abkhazia or Venezuela, but in the "hostile" West.

                Where does infa from daughters come from, exact data from Mossad or the OBS system?
                1. +3
                  April 9 2013 10: 06
                  Dutch De Telegraaf found Putin's daughter with her boyfriend in a penthouse in Worschoten

                  http://eg.ru/daily/politics/11095/
                  "The daughter of Sergei Viktorovich Lavrov and Maria Alexandrovna Ekaterina entered Columbia University"
                  1. +15
                    April 9 2013 10: 29
                    Quote: professor
                    Dutch De Telegraaf found Putin's daughter with her boyfriend in a penthouse in Worschoten

                    You sho, but our press found Putin’s daughter in South Korea, and another newspaper found her in Mozambique laughing
                  2. +7
                    April 9 2013 13: 07
                    Quote: professor
                    Dutch De Telegraaf found Putin's daughter with her boyfriend in a penthouse in Worschoten

                    Four hours ago, Dmitry Peskov denied this information.
                    But in fact, what do daughters do, who knows?
                    Although what do I care?
              2. Vanek
                +3
                April 9 2013 10: 03
                Quote: professor
                about gas dependence on Russia


                WHERE ARE YOU, IN THE CASE OF WHAT WILL GAS BE PURCHASED ???
                1. +3
                  April 9 2013 12: 03
                  Quote: Vanek


                  WHERE ARE YOU, IN THE CASE OF WHAT WILL GAS BE PURCHASED ???


                  Well, where, where.
                  the stump is clear in Israel, there a long time ago a large deposit was discovered at sea.

                  Watch out for Gazprom!

                  wink
                  1. 0
                    April 10 2013 07: 57
                    Several, to be more precise
                2. 0
                  April 9 2013 16: 19
                  Quote: Vanek
                  Quote: professor
                  about gas dependence on Russia


                  WHERE ARE YOU, IN THE CASE OF WHAT WILL GAS BE PURCHASED ???

                  Israel began gas production from its own field
                  Israel began gas production from the Tamar field in the Mediterranean, The Financial Times reports. The hydrocarbon feed went through the gas pipeline connecting the offshore platforms to the terminal in the city of Ashdod on March 30, at 4 o'clock local time. The launch of the project took four years from the discovery of reserves to the start of full operation. The total investment of holdings in joint ventures of companies - the local Delek Group and the American Noble Energy - amounted to three billion dollars. At the same time, the Israeli economy, which is still dependent on imports of hydrocarbons, mainly oil, will benefit from the launch of the field about 13 billion dollars a year. This will be expressed in the fact that the local state energy company Israel Electric Corp. can significantly save on fuel purchases. According to experts from the Bank of Israel, Tamar will add one percentage point to the country's economic growth rate. A significant portion of the gas produced at the field is likely to be sold abroad. In connection with the beginning of the export of raw materials, the Israeli government was thinking about creating a sovereign fund, which would add up the money received from the sale of gas abroad.
                3. rolik
                  0
                  April 9 2013 16: 44
                  Quote: Vanek
                  WHERE ARE YOU, IN THE CASE OF WHAT WILL GAS BE PURCHASED ???

                  Why buy, they will take more of pea or bean soup, add stewed cabbage to it, and the whole thing is varnished with kefir.
                  The further process is extremely simple, mass release of gases by the population into large-large gas storages. For individual tubes that are inserted ... well, you can guess where they will be inserted.
              3. Atlon
                +11
                April 9 2013 10: 26
                Quote: professor
                Living in the West for more than one year, I did not observe tension among Aboriginal people about gas dependence on Russia.

                And in England, for example, pensioners in homes freeze in the cold. And death. there is simply no money to buy gas at the supermarket. Gas is expensive, and it is in cylinders. There is no gasification there. Germany is drowned with firewood (I know this from my own experience).
                1. 0
                  April 10 2013 07: 58
                  "International Panorama", issue for 1982
              4. 0
                April 9 2013 18: 33
                there is gas ... there is oil ... we'll figure it out)
              5. 0
                April 10 2013 21: 23
                Quote: professor
                Russia perceives this topic as "a lever of pressure on the West"
                IMHO In the West, this topic is perceived as "leverage" of Russia on ALL! hi
          3. Atlon
            +9
            April 9 2013 10: 20
            Quote: professor
            Consumers (my colleagues have confirmed this) pay 5 times less than before.

            But nothing that the water from the tap burns like gasoline? Do farmers carry potable water over 200 km? Are pastures reduced by 2-3 times? A livestock case? You do not think, this is not my nonsense, I saw and heard it. An explosion in the kitchen from a match thrown into the sink, it's something!
            And yet ... AMERICAN experts believe that, provided that the ecology of a particular territory is FULLY destroyed, there will be enough gas in this territory, at best for 5-7 years, and at worst for 2-3 years ...
            1. +7
              April 9 2013 10: 27
              Quote: Atlon
              And yet ... AMERICAN experts believe that, provided that the ecology of a separate territory is FULLY destroyed, there will be enough gas in this territory, at best for 5-7 years, and at worst for 2-3 years.

              Yes, you listen to more experts, Obama said that shale gas is enough for them for 100 years, so it is, he is the president, he knows laughing
              1. Atlon
                +11
                April 9 2013 11: 39
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Obama said that they would have enough shale gas for 100 years,

                So they are in response to his statements and say ... But in general, all the talk, this is talk. But the explosion in the kitchen in the sink flowing from the tap water impressed me more than all the words ... Let there be gas for at least 1000 years! But if I can’t sit with a cigarette without fear in my glasses ... Nafig such gas to me!
                1. +3
                  April 9 2013 12: 38
                  Quote: Atlon
                  But if I can’t sit with a cigarette without fear in my glasses ... Nafig such gas to me!

                  It’s clear, then we are waiting for the bankruptcy of companies producing mineral water in the USA laughing
              2. rolik
                +1
                April 9 2013 16: 44
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Obama said that shale gas is enough for them for 100 years, so it is, he’s the president, he knows

                And if he makes a mistake, then he farts his way into their vaults.
            2. +3
              April 9 2013 12: 09
              Quote: Atlon
              Atlon

              But nothing that the water from the tap burns like gasoline?



              you don’t understand anything in democracy.
              for the sake of independence from authoritarian Gazprom, you can tolerate.
              it’s true that some are temperamental, but it’s nothing, all the same, democracy is not enough for everyone.

              laughing
        2. +7
          April 9 2013 08: 56
          Where is the cheap export gas promised by you, where is the profit?
          And the answer is one. Again they are to blame ... laughing
          In general, the "shale revolution" has not yet taken place. In general, the situation with her is strange. The prime cost of shale gas is about 3-4 times higher than that of conventional gas. But the prices for shale gas in the USA for a long time kept below the cost price (who subsidized the dumping and why, and then the money ran out?). Nevertheless, this allowed a slight decrease in the price of ordinary gas as well. So "shale gas" is an economic weapon (both between states and companies) and a means of energy security, if your country has its own shale gas and money to subsidize its production. As in the USA. But even there, the overall level of its production was not 100%, but only in the region of 30-40%. Large-scale export - at a loss.
          In general, such gas production was developed in the middle of the nineteenth century. But as long as there is cheaper gas, shale gas can have very limited markets with a dash of dumping and politics. His time can begin only when the cheaper gas runs out. Favorite market law. But this is not soon.
        3. 0
          April 10 2013 07: 54
          Sasha, do not read Soviet newspapers at breakfast (c).

          As a PR specialist and journalist, I’m telling you - there is an order on the topic, and now it is being worked out intensively. Why? Well, for example, a drop in profits in a number of positions, and not at all among the Americans.
      2. +1
        April 9 2013 08: 39
        Quote: professor
        At least read the article, not to mention the study of materiel and statistics of interceptions.

        I SPECIFY SPECIALLY FOR YOU: At that time, politicians often mentioned the Iron Dome as a means of protecting residents of the country living in the immediate vicinity of the border. FURTHER The Israeli military recently reminded the public that the Iron Dome missile defense system was not designed to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply). Politics is one thing, the military is different. If there is a launch of 2 rockets from two sides, then the iron dome is in doubt.
        1. +4
          April 9 2013 08: 42
          it turned out to be just a piece of ineffective or ineffective iron


          missile defense system The iron dome was not at all designed to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply)

          feel the difference wink
          1. +6
            April 9 2013 09: 18
            missile defense system The iron dome was not at all designed to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply)
            Maybe so, but the same Israeli politicians presented this precisely as the protection of civilians. In addition, if everything is fine with the system, then the problem is not in quality, but in quantity. If you increase the number of batteries, then you can protect the population. And everything is relative. It depends on how much and where "Kasamov" flies. So not very convincing. The figures about the number of Palestinians' missiles are just words. And all these shelling is PR for both sides. For 12 years, about 20 people died from these crafts, and thousands and thousands were released, and accuracy is a separate topic. So the effect is more psychological.
          2. +3
            April 9 2013 09: 36
            missile defense system The iron dome was not at all designed to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply)

            However, it turned out that the Iron Dome needed about 15 seconds to detect, identify the target and launch interceptor missiles. Most civilian targets currently under fire from Gaza are so close to the border (within a radius of 13 km)

            Those. If you get to the dome systems at a distance of 13 km, then they can’t protect themselves?
            1. -1
              April 9 2013 09: 50
              Those. If you get to the dome systems at a distance of 13 km, then they can’t protect themselves?

              Crawling at night or tank column? wink
          3. 0
            April 9 2013 13: 43
            Quote: professor
            it turned out to be just a piece of ineffective or ineffective iron


            missile defense system The iron dome was not at all designed to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply)

            feel the difference wink


            One another is not a hindrance. Even military bases cannot be protected with a piece of iron :) ...
          4. 0
            April 10 2013 16: 51
            What about this information? In total, on November 14, when a new round of Palestinian-Israeli confrontation began, the Iron Dome batteries shot down about 200 Palestinian missiles. Another 400 missiles exploded in Israel. It turns out that two-thirds of the missiles missed, which means that the effectiveness of such a missile defense system can be called into question, to put it mildly.

            To find out if this is really so, it is worth getting to know the Iron Dome better.

            The Iron Dome is positioned as an ideal system for intercepting Kassam, Grad or Fajr short and medium-range missiles, which are the main weapons of this type in the arsenals of Palestinian and Libyan armed forces. Each battery of the Iron Dome can launch 60 interceptor missiles at a time, providing protection for an area of ​​150 square kilometers. In addition, as a source in the company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, which developed the Iron Dome, told Israel Defense, this system can also shoot down aircraft flying at altitudes up to 10 kilometers.

            Impressive, however, each interception of the target can cost from 30 to 50 thousand dollars. And this despite the fact that the cost of manufacturing a homemade Kassam starts at $ 200, and the Grad rocket costs about a thousand dollars, writes ilgid.ru.

            This means that the cost of defense of Israel is many times higher than the cost of weapons produced to attack it.

            1. +1
              April 10 2013 21: 06
              It turns out that two-thirds of the missiles missed, which means that the effectiveness of such a missile defense system can, to put it mildly, be called into question

              Let's return to the article (which you certainly read):
              The iron dome uses two radars to quickly calculate the trajectory of the attacking rocket and does nothing if the calculation of the trajectory of the rocket shows that it is heading to a deserted area

              This means that the cost of defense of Israel is many times higher than the cost of weapons produced to attack it.

              Reread the previous comments about what you need to compare the price of interceptor missiles.
        2. +9
          April 9 2013 10: 50
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          .If there will be the launch of 2 rockets from two sides, then the iron dome is in doubt.

          Tell me which air defense system can repel a raid of 2000 missiles? And the number of intercepted targets shows its effectiveness, as it seems to me now is the most effective air defense system for protecting objects from small targets. If you have data on other systems it was interesting to hear, only not the technical characteristics indicated in the passport but real successes.
          1. +1
            April 9 2013 15: 01
            Well, 2000 NURS, of course, will not bring anything down, about which the speech of the LCD does not do anything outstanding and is not something original or unique in its class. Well, it’s not difficult to call it cheap at all.

            http://www.arms-expo.ru/055057052124050051056055051.html
      3. Inzhengr
        +6
        April 9 2013 08: 42
        A good system, the Israeli and American "gray cardinals" from the defense industry are earning huge amounts of money, for sure they supply Qassams to the Arabs too, under the threat of constant threat the people will be more accommodating.
        1. 0
          April 10 2013 07: 59
          Ingenious. Can I have more conspiracy theories? Oh please!
      4. +14
        April 9 2013 08: 49
        PROFESSOR (1), Hello dear hi
        The system is really good, according to statistics. But it is imprisoned for the destruction of missiles with a radius of destruction of 30-40 km. if I understood correctly? The system takes 15-20 seconds to detect and launch a missile!
        Yes, many countries can only dream of such complexes !!! ISRAEL is a high-tech state (probably life itself makes you keep such a high bar).
        And at the expense of a massive blow from HESBALLS or other evil spirits, I think this strike will not work out especially massive, for one simple reason.
        The army of ISRAEL will simply destroy many launchers and their calculations even when they are deployed. Drones, fighters, and helicopters will hang in the air and will wet the martyrs of Allah, without waiting until they climb into the outhouse!
        1. +7
          April 9 2013 09: 04
          But it is imprisoned for the destruction of missiles with a radius of destruction of 30-40 km. if I understood correctly?

          The first modifications were intended to intercept missiles at a range of up to 70 km, there was information that it was modernized and increased the range. For long-range missiles, another Magic Wand system is being created.

          And at the expense of a massive blow from HEZBALL or other evil spirits, I think this strike will not work out especially massive

          If they want it, it will turn out (although in 2006 Hezbollah got so brazen that since then the northern border of Israel has been the quietest in its entire history), it’s not realistic to intercept or destroy 40 missiles. Nevertheless, in Israel in every house and every apartment there is a bomb shelter, and since 2008, the bomb shelter in each new apartment must be equipped with an air filtration system from weapons of mass destruction. Without this system, the house will not be accepted. It is ironic that neighbors always accuse Israel of aggression, but they build bomb shelters only for their political leadership. For example, a Hamas bunker is located under a hospital in Gaza. There is no bomb shelter in the hospital itself. request
          1. psdf
            +7
            April 9 2013 11: 10
            Hard at you there. But caring for civilians is certainly impressive.
            And the seriousness of the approach, too.
            1. +1
              April 9 2013 16: 21
              Quote: psdf
              Hard at you there. But caring for civilians is certainly impressive.
              And the seriousness of the approach, too.

              "Iron Dome" missile defense battery deployed near Ashkelon

              publication time: April 8, 2013 22:37 p.m.
              last updated: April 8, 2013 22:37 PM



              The Israeli military deployed a missile defense system battery in the Ashkelon area. According to Doron Nakhum on the Nana10 website, the army made this decision after examining the current situation in the Gaza Strip.

              On the evening of April 8, the Tseva Adom early warning system for rocket attacks was triggered in the local council area of ​​Eshkol, but it turned out that there was a false alarm.

              On the evening of 7 April, shortly after the commencement of the Holocaust Remembrance Day, Palestinian terrorists fired at least three Qassam rockets from the Gaza Strip towards Israeli territory. One of the rockets exploded in an open area in the Western Negev, two others fell within the Gaza Strip.

              On April 3, the Iron Dome battery was deployed near Eilat. The reason for the deployment of the missile defense system in the south was the fear of the military that Eilat would again turn into a target for terrorists who settled in the Sinai Peninsula.
          2. -4
            April 9 2013 13: 48
            Bomb shelters are certainly good - in case of contact, no one will have to be buried. I mean, the politics in Israel is strange. It seems not aggressors, but the territory of the state is constantly increasing. It would have been a long time since we had cleared all this bearded bastard and leveled a strip 60 km around the border ... it would have been impossible to do it, no, the dome was being built with anti-aircraft missiles, instead of artillery mounts, which in principle is logical for the near air defense zone.
            1. +1
              April 9 2013 13: 52
              Bomb shelters are certainly good - in case of contact, no one will have to be buried.

              Not so fast. So far, none of those who were in the bomb shelters were injured even when they hit the rocket directly.

              It seems not aggressors, but the territory of the state is constantly increasing.

              Oh, not really yours. Since 1967, it is only declining.

              For a long time already, we would have cleaned up all this bearded bastard and leveled a strip of 60 km around the border with the earth ...

              They can not, the left camp does not allow.
              1. +1
                April 9 2013 15: 06
                We urgently need to help the Syrian "comrades" in the cleanup. For those who survived will not go to play the game. Jihadists, they are Jihadists EVERYWHERE ...
              2. psdf
                0
                April 11 2013 15: 55
                Quote: professor
                Oh, not really yours. Since 1967, it is only declining.

                In 1967, 20 km².
                The population, according to the Central Statistical Office of Israel in January 2013, is 8,0 million people, the territory - 22 072 km².


                And it was somehow like this:
                After the Arab-Israeli war of 1948–1949, in accordance with the terms of the ceasefire between Israel and each of its neighbors (Egypt, Transjordan, Syria and Lebanon), new borders arose that were not officially recognized by any country, but remained until the Arab Israeli (Six Day) War of 1967. Within their borders, the area of ​​Israel was approx. 20,7 thousand square meters km, with a length from north to south of 470 km and a maximum width of 135 km. During the Six Day War, Israel occupied the Sinai Peninsula (61 thousand sq. Km.) And the Gaza Strip (198 sq. Km) near Egypt, the West Bank (378 sq. Km) and East Jerusalem (5879 sq. Km) ) - in Jordan and the Golan Heights (St. 70 sq. Km) - in Syria. As a result, an area of ​​1250 sq. M. km During the Doomsday War (69), the borders on the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights changed again in favor of Israel, but in 859 Israel returned Syria a narrow strip in the Golan Heights with the city of Kuneitra, and Egypt - part of the territory east of the Suez Canal . In accordance with the terms of the 1973 peace treaty, by May 1974, Israel had withdrawn its troops from the Sinai Peninsula. The border between Israel and Egypt was restored. In December 1979, Israel announced the annexation of the Golan Heights (1982 sq. Km.) And East Jerusalem. However, the UN and most countries condemned this move.
      5. vilenich
        +7
        April 9 2013 08: 54
        Quote: professor
        At least read the article, not to mention the study of materiel and statistics of interceptions.

        After a detailed study of the materiel, it turned out that it was enough for the Arabs to change the tactics of launch organization and the statistics would immediately change.
        1. +4
          April 9 2013 09: 14
          In theory, yes, in practice, for some reason, they did not succeed. Thousands of missiles fired resulted in only a few victims, and most of them because of the curiosity of the deceased.
      6. +2
        April 9 2013 11: 31
        That's right, cool thing. Only the article says that they promoted it on the defense of cities and villages. But it turned out ...
        However, everything is logical. Any air defense and missile defense can be squeezed in mass. The question of cost and costs. And what about the "kumpola"? If one rocket costs 40k tanks each. How much are the BMs they intercept.
        1. +4
          April 9 2013 12: 48
          Quote: alicante11
          The question of cost and costs. And what about the "kumpola"? If one rocket costs 40k tanks each.

          The question is how much does a destroyed building cost from a rocket hit? How much does a destroyed plant cost from a rocket hit? And most importantly, how much does a human life cost? Maybe for Russia this is not so important, but I think that for Israel it is more important than $ 40000 This is also why spend money on bulletproof vests for soldiers because the bullet is much cheaper, why create active and passive defenses on the tank, because the RPG shell is cheaper.
          And again, give examples where the air defense system is so successful and costs, for example, half the price, just not fictional systems on paper? So while they haven’t come up with anything cheaper, they protect their citizens as they can, in other countries there isn’t any, and a large territory in general is not covered by air defense.
          1. +1
            April 9 2013 12: 55
            No, even if they throw missiles in dollars. It's just that weapons are always evaluated according to the criterion of price / quality. This burned the Germans with their Tigers and Panthers against the T-34. While the amers are printing green toilet paper and have the opportunity to sell it all over the world, the Jews, of course, have no problem intercepting the "grads" with missiles costing 40 haymen. However, not all cat is carnival. Once this business will end and where will the Jews get this scrap metal even then?
            1. +6
              April 9 2013 13: 35
              Quote: alicante11
              alicante11

              Well, I repeat once again give an example of air defense where the cost is lower and the level of interception at the same level. And the Germans did not lose because the T-34 is cheaper than the Panthers and Tigers.
              Quote: alicante11
              and where will the Jews get this scrap metal then?

              I'll get a minus now, but Russia does not have such scrap metal, and the vaunted S-400s have not even completed the missile yet and it is not yet clear how effective it is. All that you are now saying is simple envy that some have it, but you do not, and you start looking for any shortcomings in order to belittle the people who developed and put on alert the "Iron Dome"
              1. +3
                April 9 2013 14: 07
                About air defense - so any air defense missile is cheaper than an airplane. On missile defense, it’s more complicated. But this just says that missile defense is a system against a weak adversary. Against equals will not work.

                And the Germans did not lose because the T-34 is cheaper than the Panthers and Tigers.


                Defeat does not have one reason. But from this the failure of the decision does not become less.

                I'll get a minus now, but Russia does not have such scrap metal, and the vaunted S-400s have not even completed the missile yet and it is not yet clear how effective it is. All that you are now saying is simple envy that some have it, but you do not, and you start looking for any shortcomings in order to belittle the people who developed and put on alert the "Iron Dome"


                Yeah, really something, and all sorts of air defense systems in Russia are a dime a dozen. Moreover, the quality is much higher than foreign. But with missile defense systems, yes, I’ve strained it. Well, the territory is slightly larger than the Israeli patch. Although for Moscow the system was still in the USSR. At the expense of the rocket for C-400, the problem was with a rocket designed to destroy objects in space. The rest are working at home. Yes, and it was two years ago. Now, perhaps, have already finished. So if you are envious, it’s for you, independent and independent.
                1. +1
                  April 9 2013 14: 24
                  Quote: alicante11
                  So if you are envious, it’s for you, independent and independent.

                  About Square and self-styled I just say))) It's not that there is no air defense, there will be no sooner army)) But seriously, Russia does not have anything similar to the "Iron Dome" And you never named a similar system for much cheaper.
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Moreover, qualitatively much higher than foreign

                  Also a controversial issue, quality can be checked only in combat conditions, and as far as I know, the C300 and the more so the C400 have not been tested in combat conditions, so this is all in theory and according to their developers
                  Quote: alicante11
                  About air defense - so any air defense missile is cheaper than an airplane.

                  A missile may be cheaper, but the system itself in a complex will probably be worth the same as an airplane, and the fact that it is vulnerable as well as an airplane I think is useless to argue.
                  1. -5
                    April 9 2013 15: 33
                    And you never called me a similar system for much cheaper.


                    I will quote myself beloved :).

                    On missile defense, it’s more complicated. But this just says that missile defense is a system against a weak adversary. Against equals will not work.


                    Or is it not clear?

                    Also a controversial issue, quality can be checked only in combat conditions, and as far as I know, the C300 and the more so the C400 have not been tested in combat conditions, so this is all in theory and according to their developers


                    Well, amers are in no hurry to check even the old C-300 in Syria. Not to mention the new modifications. It says something about something.

                    A missile may be cheaper, but the system itself in a complex will probably be worth the same as an airplane, and the fact that it is vulnerable as well as an airplane I think is useless to argue.


                    Which is cheaper - an air defense system or an airplane - is a moot point. There is too much of everything from R&D to the fact that 1 air defense system can shoot down several aircraft. But in general, claims to the "kumpol" are the high cost of the missile.
              2. 0
                April 9 2013 15: 12
                Didn't finish the LONG RANGE missile. Like an analogue of the SM-3. Satellites "wet". Otherwise, everything is "tip-top". Control algorithms for a complex of analogues DO NOT HAVE at all. This is just a note.
    2. +4
      April 9 2013 14: 41
      Quote: "The Iron Dome successfully intercepted Hamas missile attacks (roughly 1500 missiles) last November."
      Not intercepted, but 1500 missiles were launched across Israeli territory, of which 430 were intercepted.

      It is further written that the battery is a radar, the control center and 4 launchers - again lied. The complex includes only 3 launchers, 20 missiles each, totaling 60 missiles.

      And now that he protects the "Iron Dome". Think the lives of the Israelis? No! Money!!

      Each launch of an Iron Dome system rocket costs 30-40 thousand US dollars, which is many times higher than the cost of any possible intercepted missiles. Thus, even with 100% effectiveness, intercepting an attack means will be much more expensive than the cost of the attack itself. But the economic efficiency of the system lies in the fact that earlier, when a missile hit a residential quarter, the state paid at least one million shekels (about $ 250) to the city and its residents.

      According to an interview with Colonel of the Israeli army “Ts” (the name is forbidden for publication), the head of the Iron Dome project, the Yediot Aharonot newspaper, about 4000 rockets were fired on Israel during the Second Lebanon War, 1000 of which hit settlements. When using the Iron Dome, the costs would have cost 50-100 million dollars, but during the war only direct damage amounted to 1,5 billion dollars. The same can be seen in Operation Cast Lead. Thus, with a long conflict, the cost of missiles is only 3-7% of the cost of possible damage.

      The price of one battery is, according to various estimates, from 50 million to 170 million dollars.

      PS Right mouse on the picture and "open the image".
      1. +6
        April 9 2013 14: 48
        Not intercepted, but 1500 missiles were launched across Israeli territory, of which 430 were intercepted.

        I couldn’t translate better. This reminder comes after Iron Dome successfully Defeated a Hamas attack (using 1,500 rockets) last November. request

        And now that he protects the "Iron Dome". Think the lives of the Israelis? No! Money!!

        Tell me, do you care for what reason the state takes care of you? Because of money or altruism? The main thing that would take care. hi

        It is further written that the battery is a radar, the control center and 4 launchers - again lied.

        Not at all. Namely 4. Initially, Rafael did not have time with the production of the Tamirs and PU. There were 3 each. Then the backlog was made up and now there are 4 PUs on the battery.
        1. 0
          April 9 2013 15: 27
          Plus set for honesty.

          Therefore, the concern of management is fully justified. Launching several thousand rockets in approximately the same direction, even if we take into account that batteries can distinguish between 70% -80% of the missiles flying into the desert, and they will work out the rest. All the same, a very difficult situation turns out. they saw the videos themselves, a lot of videos where 2-3 missiles are spent on one missile. it turns out one battery with 60 anti-missiles loaded and ready for combat duty can shoot down 20-30 missiles - already flying to the city.
          Although the information slipped through, you modified your anti-missiles, now one anti-missile, less often two, is launched to intercept one missile.

          However, 6-7 batteries are approximately 180-210 missiles. Each of the 7 batteries covers a large city, airfield, base or power station.
        2. +1
          April 9 2013 15: 32
          Plus set for honesty.

          However, 6-7 batteries are approximately 180-210 missiles. Each of the 7 batteries covers a large city, airfield, base or power station. That is, it covers small areas of 20-30 km.

          Therefore, the concern of management is fully justified. Launching several thousand rockets in approximately the same direction, even if we take into account that batteries can distinguish between 70% -80% of the missiles flying into the desert, and they will work out the rest.
          All the same, a very difficult situation turns out. they saw the videos themselves, a lot of videos where 2-3 missiles are spent on one missile. It turns out one battery with 60 anti-ballistic missiles loaded and ready for combat duty, can shoot down 20-30 missiles - already flying to the city.

          Although the information slipped through, you modified your anti-missiles, now one anti-missile, less often two, is launched to intercept one missile.
          1. 0
            April 9 2013 15: 36
            Each of the 7 batteries covers a large city, airfield, base or power station. That is, it covers small areas of 20-30 km.

            Each battery with old interceptors covers an area of ​​approximately 150 square kilometers.
            1. +1
              April 9 2013 16: 01
              Quote: professor
              Each battery with old interceptors covers an area of ​​approximately 150 square kilometers.

              Are you trying to impress schoolchildren who were skipping geometry? )))
              Do you count the radius of a circle with an area of ​​150 sq. Km or do you shake the antiquity yourself? Maybe prefers the area of ​​the square? )))
              In general, in order to produce more impression, you give the amount of space that is covered. There are more than a thousand cubic kilometers! Power!!!! )))
              1. +5
                April 9 2013 16: 07
                Dear, I only quote the TTX declared by the developer. Materiel so to speak. Everything is fine with geometry.
                Only an illiterate person to the question "How to find Lenin Square?" answers "Lenin's length multiplied by Lenin's width ..."
                A competent person knows that we need to take the integral over the surface!
                1. rolik
                  0
                  April 9 2013 23: 13
                  Quote: professor
                  I am only quoting the specifications stated by the developer

                  But what about your missile defense says a leading American expert:
                  If Israeli experts claim that its efficiency is about 84%, then the American scientist estimates it only at 5-10%. The successful functioning of the Iron Dome system, built by the Israeli company RAFAEL and financed largely by the US government, was one of the most important military aspects of last year's operation in the Gaza Strip, dubbed "Pillar of the Cloud". However, according to Postol, all the "evidence" indicates that the declared effectiveness of hitting the target of this system in reality is much lower, reports the BBC.
                  Theodore Postol confirms his doubts, first of all, by the very nature of the warheads installed on the interceptor missiles, and the flight paths of these missiles, which he managed to study after the end of the November conflict in the Gaza Strip. According to the expert's calculations, the "Iron Dome" shells can destroy the warhead of another missile heading towards the protected area only if they collide with it head-on, that is, the interceptor missile must move along a straight trajectory.
                  "If the anti-missile missile flies along a different trajectory in relation to the enemy missile, then it will not be possible to destroy the warhead. Even a side impact on the incoming missile will most likely be insufficient to detonate the warhead," Postol says.
                  Calculating the exact effectiveness of the "Iron Dome" during last year's operation, according to the expert, is not possible, since all the necessary information is not in the public domain. However, based on the available data, the Israeli leadership's stated efficiency of 84% is clearly overstated. According to the professor, in reality it hardly exceeds 5-10%.
                  According to Theodor Postol, the Israeli authorities deliberately overestimated these statistics in order to avoid the continuation of this military conflict, which is very costly for both the Israeli and Palestinian sides. However, in the future, according to the expert, such a deception could lead to sad results, in particular, to "unjustified waste of limited defense assets," including financial assistance provided by the US authorities to maintain the defense sector in Israel.
                  And now, parafint your star-striped friends. bully
                  1. +2
                    April 10 2013 08: 06
                    But what about your missile defense says a leading American expert:

                    This "specialist" who came to such sensational conclusions based on the views of videos on YouTube !!! and who decided to promote himself in this way was ridiculed repeatedly. I just want to ask him, if LCD intercepted only 5-10% of missiles, then where are the rest 90-95%? Fell into a vacuum? Aaaaa, I get it. Mossad quickly repaired all the affected buildings and cured (and sometimes even resurrected) all the victims before the arrival of residents with iPhones and a facebook laughing

                    PS
                    According to the expert's calculations, the "Iron Dome" shells can destroy the warhead of another missile heading towards the defended territory only if they collide with it head-on, that is, the interceptor missile must move along a straight trajectory.

                    I cried when I read it the first time. Does the Tamir missile have no explosive in the warhead and is it purely kinetic? An expert however ... fool
            2. +1
              April 9 2013 16: 04
              Ie even less? Not 20 km - 30 km. And such a square with sides of 12,2 km each.
              1. +1
                April 9 2013 16: 13
                IMHO, it is necessary to proceed from the area of ​​the segment since the system is not intended for all-round defense.
                1. +1
                  April 9 2013 16: 30
                  Quote: professor
                  IMHO, it is necessary to proceed from the area of ​​the segment since the system is not intended for all-round defense.

                  No, well, it’s quite logical. For speed of reaction a stationary radar is preferable.
                  Based on the Wikipedia maximum interception range, a sector of about 3.5 degrees and an interception "front" of about 4.5 km are obtained. Provided that the enemy's territory is controlled and the launch direction is known, in principle, it is normal, but not super somehow ... Maybe in Wikipedia, the interception range is incorrect.
              2. +1
                April 9 2013 16: 16
                Quote: Sith Lord
                Ie even less? Not 20 km - 30 km. And such a square with sides of 12,2 km each.

                For power plants, etc. is enough.
                1. 0
                  April 9 2013 16: 24
                  Quote: yanus
                  For power plants, etc. is enough.


                  Here it is for power plants and so on. You can’t apply it globally.

                  Quote: professor
                  IMHO, it is necessary to proceed from the area of ​​the segment since the system is not intended for all-round defense.


                  Thanks for the illustration. I look at all the shortcomings "Iron Dome" is not yet designed for all-round defense as in general and "Patriot".

                  What can I say - תשמרי על עצמך
                  1. +1
                    April 9 2013 16: 38
                    What can I say - תשמרי על עצמך

                    Your phrase is addressed to a female interlocutor, but I am not one (Correctly spelled תשמר על עצמך) laughing . But thank you for the care. hi
                    1. +1
                      April 9 2013 16: 59
                      I am wildly sorry, I did not want to offend.
                      1. +1
                        April 9 2013 18: 06
                        What insults can be?wink
                        Here is a photo of the radar, as you can see it is stationary, but copes with the intended tasks.
                      2. psdf
                        0
                        April 11 2013 16: 02
                        There are no basic signs of stationarity ...
                        A good mobile platform for your radars. Looks beautiful.
    3. -1
      April 10 2013 07: 51
      Actually, if only they had read the article.

      The dome worked more than efficiently.
  2. +7
    April 9 2013 08: 54
    in general, using the Iron Dome against Grad rockets is a surefire way to undermine Israel's economy. Since their prime cost is not compatible, the Arabs are on the right path))))
    1. 101
      101
      +4
      April 9 2013 09: 16
      We think then we write and not vice versa. Attach your opinion to your home and family, then it can change.
      1. 0
        April 9 2013 13: 04
        and if I attach my opinion to the occupants who have seized my land, and arrange a safari on my fellow tribesmen?
    2. +2
      April 9 2013 09: 16
      For the thousandth time. Compare the cost of Tamir with the cost of a power plant. After all, you do not compare the cost of a bullet and a bulletproof vest?
      PS
      The Iron Dome is mostly funded by the Americans ...
      1. +1
        April 9 2013 09: 38
        So it is necessary to compare not the cost of the bronik, but the cost of the affected plates. wassat
        1. +4
          April 9 2013 09: 55
          Do not set off. Compare the price of the bullet and the price of life, not body armor or affected plates. hi
          1. Vanek
            0
            April 9 2013 09: 58
            Quote: professor
            Compare the price of a bullet and the price of life


            We would compare, yes you have body armor (Iron Dome).

          2. +1
            April 9 2013 13: 06
            I would rather compare the "hail" projectile on a tripod with a medieval trebuchet or a ballista, with a bullet as it is too commendable, nevertheless the bullet loses where it was deliberately aimed, and not to disperse jerboas in the desert.
            1. 0
              April 9 2013 13: 47
              a projectile from the "hail" on a tripod, I would rather compare with a medieval trebuchet or a ballista

              What is the Grad not released "from the trip" KVO? Or tell you? Direct high-precision weapons are obtained. I naively thought that they were working on squares ... bully
              1. 0
                April 9 2013 21: 38
                so I say that they inflated everything as if the launch of 300 "tomahawks" was reflected
      2. 0
        April 9 2013 12: 59
        In-in, about which I am. Rather, not by amers, but by us, who pays for their green papers. But it will not always be so. And if you put BM-ok on the 10000 power plant? Even if they are all intercepted by rockets at the cost of 40 mowers, how much will it work? I got 400 000 000 on tracing paper. Isn't it cool for a power plant. And this is not counting the complexes themselves and the salaries of highly qualified personnel. So, I'm afraid that after applying such a bulletproof vest, the body that it protects will hang itself :).
    3. +8
      April 9 2013 09: 35
      What are you talking about, comrades? It must be admitted that the "iron dome" system is a very good thing; not one air defense system will provide such a percentage of shot down missiles (of small sizes).
      Quote: tomket
      in general, using the Iron Dome against Grad rockets is a surefire way to undermine Israel's economy. Since their prime cost is not compatible, the Arabs are on the right path))))

      it is better to spend $ 400 thousand to launch 10 missiles and destroy 8-9 rockets (with a total cost of up to $ 10 thousand) of the enemy than to pay with lives and destroyed buildings
      1. +3
        April 9 2013 13: 07
        and the "iron dome" was used against the volley fire of the battery "grad"? batteries and not tripods?
  3. Vanek
    +6
    April 9 2013 09: 56
    - Iron?
    - Iron!
    - The dome?
    - The dome!

    Ahhh
  4. xmike
    +1
    April 9 2013 10: 20
    You just need to send humanitarian aid to Palestine in the form of several batteries of CITIES. With a missile cost of $ 40K, this will be a direct path to the ruin of Israel.
    1. +5
      April 9 2013 10: 29
      It will turn out like a mavi marmara, special forces will bang a dozen "escorts", and then the prime minister will apologize, but the cargo will not reach. There is of course an option for tunnels from Sinai, but Mursi is driving there now. You can also shoot down all the drones over the gas with a nuclear bomb, the same option.

      As for the ruin, I will repeat specifically for you, the Americans are betraying the system, and the printing press on green pieces of paper is working properly for them. fellow
      1. +5
        April 9 2013 10: 36
        Quote: professor
        , Americans are betraying the system, and the printing press on green pieces of paper is working properly for them.

        Professor, what will happen when the machine breaks down, all the circumstances in the world economy go exactly to this. I recommend that your government pay attention to rubles and C 400 wink
        1. +6
          April 9 2013 10: 46
          Professor, what will happen when the machine breaks down, all the circumstances in the world economy go exactly to this

          1. Doesn’t break, look at the figures for declining US unemployment. Beats positive records.
          2. If it breaks, then it will be transferred to self-financing. The price of production is declining day by day. The purchased equipment and partially NKR are also included in the cost of Tamir.
          3. If it breaks, then the Palestinian sponsors from the Arabian Peninsula will run out of these papers and the Palestinians will return to traditional stone-throwing.
          1. 0
            April 9 2013 12: 32
            Quote: professor
            look at the figures for lower unemployment in the United States. Beats positive records.



            officially yes.
            but literally today I came across
            http://oko-planet.su/finances/financesnews/177796-bolee-101-milliona-amerikancev
            -rabochego-vozrasta-ne-imeyut-rabotu.html

            tama reference to a bourgeois resource
            1. +5
              April 9 2013 13: 34
              but literally today I came across

              I read the article. It turns out that 101 million working Americans are unemployed, and this is with a total population of 316 million. Do not be confused by the number? Children under 14 years old make up 20% of the population (male 32,344,207 / female 31,006,688), over 65-13.9% (male 19,122,853 / female 24,774,052) = total 107 million. The working population remains 209 million. It turns out that every second American is unemployed? Do you believe that yourself?
              1. 0
                April 9 2013 14: 51
                Quote: professor
                Do you believe that yourself?


                Well, how can I tell you.
                seems to be yes, it seems like our sites are like marsh ones, which pour dirt and frank misinformation about the Russian Federation.

                but on the other side
                in the United States, the level of homeless people is constantly growing, and the number of people receiving all kinds of benefits, including free daily feeding.
                (it’s absolutely great that the government does not leave people to their fate)
                but it’s somehow difficult to explain with a DECREASE in unemployment, and an increase in all kinds of macroeconomic indicators.


                In addition, I heard that the count of unemployed in the United States is very interesting.
                there, a person who has worked for a week a month (random day work) is not considered unemployed.
                so it turns out, the man worked for a month, and for six months now he has not been on the lists.
                Again, there is a category of part-time and part-time workers.
                for example, a person will sit on the phone for 3 hours and is no longer unemployed.
                it is kaneshno all professions are important, and denyuzhka superfluous does not happen.
                but...
                1. 0
                  April 9 2013 15: 03
                  seems Yes

                  No matter how much the Obama administration lies, the number of unemployed in the USA cannot be 50% (101 million) or even 25%. Therefore, the article is nonsense. By the way, the author complains that despite a significant improvement in the economy (he also praised the authorities), the number of unemployed does not decrease due to the widespread introduction of production automation (robots). It's like ...
                  Thanks to robots, computers and other forms of technology, big corporations simply do not need as many human workers as they used to.
          2. +2
            April 9 2013 12: 42
            Quote: professor

            1. Doesn’t break, look at the figures for declining US unemployment. Beats positive records.

            Professor, we have all heard about the positive since 2008, but the situation is not improving. Either the city is declared bankrupt, then military budgets are being cut, then reductions are coming hi
            Quote: professor
            3. If it breaks, then the Palestinian sponsors from the Arabian Peninsula will run out of these papers and the Palestinians will return to traditional stone-throwing.

            Ek Makalek, yes they have enough weapons for 20 years of continuous warriors, they will move to the yuan laughing
            1. +1
              April 9 2013 13: 39
              Ek Makalek, yes they have enough weapons for 20 years of continuous warriors, they will move to the yuan

              1.Until November last year, it was believed that there were more than 10000 missiles in Gaza. However, thanks to the Iron Dome, precision bombing and shelling of their storage sites, more than half of these missiles were destroyed.
              2. "Yuan" live exclusively at the expense of those who print green papers. There will be no green papers, they will stop buying hydrocarbons and Made in China products.
              1. +2
                April 9 2013 16: 27
                Yeah, this is a joke. But how did they live without green papers? And they bought both goods and energy.
        2. +6
          April 9 2013 13: 58
          Greetings to you, Alexander! It is incorrect to compare the "Iron Dome" and the S-400 (300) (different tasks). The launch of the S-300 missile will cost more than the launch from the Iron Dome system, and will not ensure the security of Israel's infrastructure from such attacks.
      2. 0
        April 9 2013 13: 09
        well you settled down))))) why didn’t you order an aircraft carrier for free?))))
      3. 0
        April 9 2013 14: 12
        Well, it could be easier to do? Leave Palestine alone, leave the occupied lands and will not need any iron dome? After all, it’s not just that they bullet you, but for something?
        1. 0
          April 9 2013 14: 22
          Leave Palestine alone, leave the occupied lands and will not need any iron dome?

          "Where do you tell the poor Jew to go?" Let me go back to Zhmerinka? wink

          After all, it’s not just that they bullet you, but for something?

          Bohdan Khmelnitsky in September 1650 for what did he cut? In Hebron in 1929, what was the reason for the pogrom? Was there really already an "occupation"? Etc.
          1. 0
            April 9 2013 21: 36
            time goes on and they both didn’t like you and don’t like you, don’t you discover the secret why?)
            1. +1
              April 10 2013 08: 05
              Do you need a reasonable reason for dislike? Yes, not really, just many are pleased to hate someone, thereby justifying their inferiority
              1. 0
                April 10 2013 13: 00
                Well, for example, Bogdan Khmel did not hate yakuts.
                1. 0
                  April 10 2013 14: 16
                  Did he know them?
            2. +1
              April 10 2013 08: 08
              Do you want to discuss whom and where you no longer love? The account may not be in your favor. wink
              1. 0
                April 10 2013 13: 02
                Why not debate on this topic?
                1. 0
                  April 10 2013 13: 25
                  1. Offtopic.
                  2. Not productive and will be reduced to banal "the fool himself"
                  1. 0
                    April 10 2013 13: 56
                    I agree with your opinion
            3. Mironk
              +1
              April 12 2013 00: 00
              Quote: tomket
              time goes on and they both didn’t like you and don’t like you, don’t you discover the secret why?)

              Envy! It’s easier after all to groan a successful neighbor than to try to create something worthwhile.
        2. ZhuDkiyDrugg
          0
          4 May 2013 08: 33
          Quote: smirnov
          Well, it could be easier to do? Leave Palestine alone, leave the occupied lands and will not need any iron dome? After all, it’s not just that they bullet you, but for something?

          If they leave the occupied lands, they will again have to stagger around the world feel
  5. +1
    April 9 2013 10: 26
    Cho didn’t see the bad news in the text.
    1. Mironk
      0
      April 9 2013 20: 46
      Quote: UzRus
      Cho didn’t see the bad news in the text.

      Did you want to see? Only honestly ...
      1. 0
        April 9 2013 21: 34
        to be honest in the situation around this complex, only its loud name attracts, and so on the drum, how many firecrackers he shot down there and how much he costs a simple American taxpayer. By the way, can amers sponsor the installation of air defense in my garden, what would the crows not fly?))))))
        1. Mironk
          0
          April 12 2013 00: 05
          Quote: tomket
          amers can sponsor the installation of air defense in my garden, what would the crows not fly?))))))

          No, the citizen is good, the crow is a clever bird, knows where to fly and with whom --- to the Bosko, so let him live!
  6. +6
    April 9 2013 10: 30
    No "domes" and high walls will help Israel under the leadership of Jewish nationalists until a just peace is concluded with Palestine, ending the long-term occupation. Jews have turned the Gaza Strip into a "Palestinian" ghetto.
    1. +3
      April 9 2013 10: 39
      I was already crying. crying A strange ghetto with a border of 12 km with friendly Arab Egypt that Israel does not control and does not even try to control.
  7. +1
    April 9 2013 10: 33
    As far as I know, no one has analogues of this system. And when it comes to efficiency, the system is not bad. With regard to the economy, it is not the cost of the Grad missile that needs to be compared, but the damage that it will cause when it reaches the target. I wonder how the Iron Dome will behave if the Arabs fire more than one missile with a salvo of the BM-21 missile battalion. Provided that the aircraft did not destroy the installations during their deployment.
    1. +3
      April 9 2013 10: 41
      14 missiles launched at the same time one LCD battery shot down (see video at the end of the article), while no one else launched.
    2. -3
      April 9 2013 17: 06
      There are systems more universal and not inferior in these parameters.
      1. 0
        April 10 2013 08: 06
        Name plz
  8. +1
    April 9 2013 11: 13
    Stupidly the money was laundered and the politicians were promoted. And the people side. With the finances of Israel, they could long have resolved all issues with Palistina peacefully. Current who needs it? As long as there is war there is feeding.
    1. +4
      April 9 2013 11: 40
      And the people side.

      Mil man, what are you talking about? What kind of people is this side when these people are really fired? You take a look at the video clip in the article which a citizen was shooting from his balcony above his head. Him too by the side where will the rockets land?
      1. -4
        April 9 2013 13: 10
        Yeah, but when the last pants are removed on these missiles, then it doesn't matter. Because it makes no difference what to die of, from hunger or from a rocket. The rocket is even somehow less painful, and there is a chance to survive.
  9. +1
    April 9 2013 12: 43
    Quote: professor
    For long-range missiles, another Magic Wand system is being created.

    The name smiled ...
    I sometimes glance at "mine" and think: - oh, you are my magic wand ... lol
    As her friend calls her, I won’t say that it’s worthless to tell a man about his secret relationship, but I assure you that this is also an interesting name ... feel

    But seriously, I said to my sidekick "Iza" when I came with reconnaissance in the summer: - stay Igor! What do you need to do there for an orphan - they shoot there ...
    But he did dozens until October, then he couldn’t do it anymore ... He says: - I got used to it, it’s cold here ... I’ll go to my small Motherland, let them shoot better than bang their teeth from the cold ...
    Wimp! Nothing at all - about zero ... well, a little less ...
    That's how ... Looks like Russian winter is just for them - k.oz.l ...
    1. +2
      April 9 2013 13: 41
      The name smiled ...

      And how do you like military equipment called Pinocchio? wink
      1. 0
        April 9 2013 15: 54
        The technique is normal and the name is on the level, not "Papa Carlo" or "Dureman"
  10. +1
    April 9 2013 14: 14
    The USSR did not fall apart, the army would already have a similar system. After all, everyone understands that the future lies with such weapons.
  11. +2
    April 9 2013 14: 27
    The main thing is that the iron dome saves human lives, of course you can immediately salvo 1000 missiles here any system can not cope
  12. Vtel
    +1
    April 9 2013 14: 32
    They wouldn’t have stirred up water in the world, wouldn’t have been plotting other nations, maybe the dome would not have been needed. And so they themselves in panryaga and others are not sugar.
    1. +4
      April 9 2013 14: 41
      1. The ancient Tajiks did not suspect the existence of Jews, and therefore all the troubles that happened to them were attributed to the dark forces of nature.
      2. Why then to other countries the army? Do they all intrigue other nations? Here at least take Switzerland. Oh, to what a neutral country, and it’s not a plot for anyone to build, and that one too. The army (and even what) is held, nurtured and well-armed. wink
      1. 0
        April 9 2013 15: 37
        I don’t know how anyone, but Russia has always needed an army exclusively for defense. Well, and "take guests home." However, not Jews, not arrogant Saxons, cannot understand this.
        1. 0
          April 10 2013 08: 07
          Precisely, Afghanistan was, for example, exclusively for defense 8)
  13. +2
    April 9 2013 15: 49
    Producers of "Domes" work according to the template. Shcha offended publicity will declare - but what about us? recourse
    Politicians will immediately start up - for us, the lives of citizens are more important than money! angry
    Immediately zakrmitsya half a billion.
    As a result: the manufacturer with orders and, accordingly, with attendants, the military and politicians are also with a percent, and the public will continue to train to run to bomb shelters.

    In general, a strange decision - to deposit. It could have been left in positions by turning off the start mode, leaving the radar on. He doesn’t eat $ 40K of greens per hour. At a minimum, the operators are constantly trained, or rather, determine the launch sites for missiles for retaliation. Although HZ, the master is a master.
    1. +4
      April 9 2013 16: 23
      Quote: yanus
      In general, a strange decision - to deposit. It could have been left in positions by turning off the start mode, leaving the radar on.


      But why when the time and method of the next massive shelling will be known ahead of time?
      500-1000 bullet firing. - PR action, not a combat operation. There is no war there and no one wants it. But to harass and pull money out of the "world community" is the task of both parties. Often these parties agree on where, when and with what consequences to play a paid fight.
      Mossad is not the worst intelligence in the world, to put it mildly. It will be difficult to convince me that none of them knew where and by whom 500 rather impressive "pencils" were stored. In addition, systematic launches for a relatively short time require a crowd of people (bring-take, install, set fire to the fuse), and the Arabs, as well as the Jews, I find it difficult to attribute to the natural silent.
      Nothing else explains that the missile defense / air defense system DOES NOT CARRY A PERMANENT OBD. Nonsense, right? Or are there other explanations? If we consider the situation in the abstract, then NUR launches are tactical stupidity. There are more effective ways. "war" is nothing more than a wiring., the same as the behind-the-gas gas that appeared here again, to sell inflated assets to the suckers. make a gesheft on the stock exchange and go into the shadows. There were several Objectives here (I mean "Pillar of the Cloud"):
      1) Attraction of financial sponsors by both parties.
      2) Strengthening the positions of ruling politicians before the elections to the Knesset of Israel
      3) Strengthening the position of the Palestinian Authority before voting in the UN on the status of UN observer for Palestine
      4) Distraction of the attention of the international community from the events in Syria, where just a real war is going on.
      Otherwise, how is it to explain again that Israel has been putting up with these shellings for how many years, when it could deal with everyone for a long time? Do external forces interfere? The USSR has been gone for 20 years, so someone is interested in constant tension on Bl. East
      So if you look at who from all this ugliness has and ask a question to whom it is beneficial, many unexplained things become obvious, they are simply skillfully hidden behind a veil of mass lies and propaganda.
      1. +1
        April 9 2013 18: 10
        Professor nervously smokes))))))
        1. -1
          April 9 2013 18: 21
          Dear, I don’t react to the king of mine-paste, but I made an exception and checked it specially for you. This time he stole, oh borrowed other people's thoughts here:
          http://videoelektronic.livejournal.com/595739.html
          Mossad is not the worst intelligence in the world, to put it mildly. It will be difficult to convince me that none of them knew where and by whom 500 rather impressive "pencils" were stored. In addition, systematic launches for a relatively short time require a crowd of people (bring-take, install, set fire to the fuse), and the Arabs, as well as the Jews, I find it difficult to attribute to the natural silent.
          find as they say 2 differences laughing
          Mossad is not the worst intelligence in the world, to put it mildly. It will be difficult to convince me that none of them knew where and by whom 500 rather impressive "pencils" were stored. In addition, systematic launches for a relatively short time require a crowd of people (bring-take, install, set fire to the fuse), and the Arabs, as well as the Jews, I find it difficult to attribute to the natural silent.

          It’s sad that he doesn’t even know how to steal. How does the political worker know that the Mossad is not operating in Gaza? This territory is the responsibility of another agency - Shin Bet or Shabak, aka the General Security Service.
          1. +1
            April 9 2013 19: 31
            Quote: professor
            Dear, I don’t react to the king of mine-paste, but I made an exception and checked it specially for you. This time stole, oh borrowed other people's thoughts here:
            http://videoelektronic.livejournal.com/595739.html


            Well, that’s all right ... since such a reaction ... As required to prove ...
            Semurg was right and agree with him good
  14. NickitaDembelnulsa
    0
    April 9 2013 17: 13
    Hamas feels itself with impunity, they are hardened, what can I say, you won’t take them with simple bombardments, and even then with rare ones.
  15. NickitaDembelnulsa
    0
    April 9 2013 17: 13
    Hamas feels itself with impunity, they are hardened, what can I say, you won’t take them with simple bombardments, and even then with rare ones.
  16. +1
    April 9 2013 19: 58
    A situation like a microscope to hammer nails :)) Although living in Ashkelon near the Arabs, this gives a ray of hope for protection.
  17. 0
    April 9 2013 22: 10
    Quote: Semyon Albertovich
    No "domes" and high walls will help Israel under the leadership of Jewish nationalists until a just peace is concluded with Palestine, ending the long-term occupation. Jews have turned the Gaza Strip into a "Palestinian" ghetto.

    May they never make peace. Still, Stalin is a thin troll)))
  18. +2
    April 10 2013 05: 50
    It is still necessary to distinguish between the performance characteristics and the effectiveness of a particular air defense system and how it is used. There is a thought that the problem raised in the article is somewhat far-fetched. Israel does not have so much territory and not so many military bases that in the event of air terrorism from its neighbors, the protection of these bases should be given higher priority to protect them than to protect the civilian population. There is no doubt that in the event of massive stellar shelling, which usually occurs in the event of a serious military conflict, ensuring the security of the groupings of their armed forces, airfields, life support infrastructure, etc., will come first, and there is nothing surprising in this. In the USSR, the task of covering civilians from airborne attacks never came first or even second due to its unreality. You can talk about peace and war in the Middle East as much as you like, but it is impossible there by definition, because all those who had a hand in the post-war arrangement of the Middle East in this world were not interested and never will be. It is very convenient to haul roasted chestnuts with the smell of oil and the taste of blood from the coals under the cover of the constantly smoldering conflict between Israel and its neighbors. After all, the blood is not those who carry. Therefore, all attempts to terrorize Israel or the Palestinians in the absence of a desire for peace are nothing more than bullshit. Well, dozens of people are dying on one side and the other. So who ever counted them, people. Well, hundreds of thousands of Jews perished during the 2nd World War. So what? Yes, years later and clenching their teeth, they admitted this fact. But when this massacre took place, everyone pretended that nothing special was happening, although the intelligence services of all countries had more than information. So I have to express my deep condolences to everyone who carried and is bearing sacrifices in this bloody "game". You are at the wrong "game table"
  19. Urkodav
    -1
    April 11 2013 00: 41
    What a large Jewish representation on this site ...
  20. psdf
    0
    April 11 2013 15: 52
    Quote: professor
    Oh, not really yours. Since 1967, it is only declining.

    In 1967, 20 km².
    The population, according to the Central Statistical Office of Israel in January 2013, is 8,0 million people, the territory - 22 072 km².


    And it was somehow like this:
    After the Arab-Israeli war of 1948–1949, in accordance with the terms of the ceasefire between Israel and each of its neighbors (Egypt, Transjordan, Syria and Lebanon), new borders arose that were not officially recognized by any country, but remained until the Arab Israeli (Six Day) War of 1967. Within their borders, the area of ​​Israel was approx. 20,7 thousand square meters km, with a length from north to south of 470 km and a maximum width of 135 km. During the Six Day War, Israel occupied the Sinai Peninsula (61 thousand sq. Km.) And the Gaza Strip (198 sq. Km) near Egypt, the West Bank (378 sq. Km) and East Jerusalem (5879 sq. Km) ) - in Jordan and the Golan Heights (St. 70 sq. Km) - in Syria. As a result, an area of ​​1250 sq. M. km During the Doomsday War (69), the borders on the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights changed again in favor of Israel, but in 859 Israel returned Syria a narrow strip in the Golan Heights with the city of Kuneitra, and Egypt - part of the territory east of the Suez Canal . In accordance with the terms of the 1973 peace treaty, by May 1974, Israel had withdrawn its troops from the Sinai Peninsula. The border between Israel and Egypt was restored. In December 1979, Israel announced the annexation of the Golan Heights (1982 sq. Km.) And East Jerusalem. However, the UN and most countries condemned this move.
    1. +2
      April 11 2013 15: 58
      I repeat, in the 1967 year, Israel reached its maximum size by occupying the Sinai Peninsula several times larger than the area of ​​Israel itself. Since then, the area of ​​Israel has only been decreasing. Give a card?

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