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Bad news about the Iron Dome

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The Israeli military recently reminded the public that the Iron Dome anti-missile system was not at all intended to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply). This reminder came after the Iron Dome successfully intercepted Hamas missile attacks (roughly 1500 missiles) in November last year. Many Israelis have suggested that this means that they can hope for similar protection in the event of a massive attack by Hamas or Hezbollah. However, the military noted that Hamas has more 5000 missiles, and Hezbollah has more than 40000. In the event that one or both of these groups launch several thousand rockets of the Iron Dome battery, they will have to be used primarily to protect military bases and power plants (national security facilities) before attempting to protect civilian objects. With a less massive attack of the existing number of batteries, the Iron Dome will be enough to protect all objects, which is what happened last year. Before it becomes possible to purchase more Iron Dome batteries, a massive rocket attack will leave many Israeli civilian targets vulnerable.

This is not the first time when the military point to this. In the first it happened three years ago after scoring plans to place new Iron Dome batteries for storage. At that time, politicians often mentioned the Iron Dome as a means of protecting people in the country living in close proximity to the border and vulnerable to missile attacks fired from the Gaza Strip in the south and from Lebanon and in the north. However, it turned out that the Iron Dome needed about 15 seconds to detect, identify the target, and launch interceptor missiles. Most of the civilian objects currently under attack from Gaza are so close to the border (within 13 km radius) that the missiles land in less than 15 seconds. When intercepting long-range missiles aimed at many other targets (civilian and military), the Iron Dome is effective. This was demonstrated in November last year.

Bad news about the Iron Dome


All of this explains why, after the Iron Dome declared to be combat-ready three years ago, it was unexpectedly placed in storage. The Air Force said they would prefer to save money and store the Iron Dome batteries for storage and deploy them only for regular exercises, as well as in the event of a real emergency (an expected large-scale attack on the south or north of Israel). Politicians demanded that at least one battery be deployed along the border with Gaza. The military has information about how Hamas and Hezbollah accumulate a large number of long-range missiles that would allow them to carry out a massive attack on Israeli military bases. The generals believe that it is more important to protect the armed forces, which will ultimately protect Israel and this is exactly what the Iron Dome will be used for.

Since 2010, Israel has acquired seven batteries for the missile defense system Iron Dome. Five of them took part in the interception of Hamas missiles in November last year, when a large number of long-range missiles were used. Each battery includes a radar, control equipment and four rocket launchers. The cost of each battery is about $ 37 million, which includes more than fifty Tamir missiles ($ 40 worth 000 each). The iron dome uses two radars to quickly calculate the trajectory of the attacking missile and does nothing if the calculation of the trajectory of the missile indicates that it is heading towards deserted terrain. However, if the calculations predict that the rocket is heading to a residential area, then guided missile interceptors are launched.



This approach makes the system cost-effective. The reason for this is that Hezbollah launched an order of 4000 rockets in the 2006 year, and Palestinian terrorists in the Gaza Strip fired over six thousand missiles over Israeli territory over the past eight years and the Israelis knew where each hit. More than 90 percent of these missiles landed in a deserted area, and only a few of those that actually hit settlements have resulted in human casualties. Israel has already launched a radar giving some warning of approaching missiles. The iron dome uses this radar in addition to another, more specialized radar deployed in southern Israel.

Palestinians, experts believe, will try to defeat the Iron Dome using salvo firing simultaneously in several cities. Theoretically, this can suppress one or two batteries of the Iron Dome. But Israel is able to keep unmanned aerial vehicles over 24 Gaza 7 hours a day and observe the attempts to deploy large salvo launchers. This will allow Israel to bomb many of these launch pads. This will lead to a large number of rockets destroyed on earth or their chaotic launch and their fall on the territory of Gaza or far from the targets to which they were directed. Since the Iron Dome is able to track hundreds of approaching missiles, quickly calculate their trajectory and place of probable fall, and also ignore most of the missiles that do not pose a danger to the population, Palestinians will try to simultaneously launch hundreds of large (long-range) missiles in order to cause Israel the maximum number of casualties. Until now, the Palestinians were not able to launch simultaneously a sufficient number of missiles.

Palestinian rocket attacks appeared around 2001 in the year, but they intensified significantly when Israel withdrew from Gaza in August of 2005. It was an unworked gesture of peace. From 2001-th to 2005-th year, about 700 missiles were fired from Gaza in Israel. After the retreat in 2005, more than 5000 rockets were fired at Israel. The number of rocket attacks increased even more with the advent of Hamas to power in June 2007 year.



Hamas is arming itself with more and more Iranian and Chinese BM-21 and BM-12 rockets of factory production. Israel believes that currently Hamas in the Gaza Strip possesses BM-21 factory rockets, each of which has a firing range of 20-40 kilometers. They also have a certain number of Soviet-developed B-12 missiles with a shorter range (six kilometers). The 122-mm BM-21 rocket weighs 68.2 kg, is 2.9 meters long. It carries the 20.5 kg warhead, but its accuracy is not much higher than the 107-mm model. However, these large missiles have a maximum range of 20 kilometers and a flight time of up to 15 seconds. Again, these rockets are unmanaged, and therefore they are effective only when used by a volley or on a large area target (for example, a city, a large military base or an industrial complex).



There are also Egyptian and Chinese versions of the BM-21 with a smaller warhead and a large rocket engine, which increases their range to about 40 kilometers and a flight time of more than 15 seconds. Israel believes that there are dozens of larger Iranian Fajr rockets with a range of 70 kilometers, as well as several hundred 122-mm missiles with an increased range (40 kilometers) and even more standard 122-mm missiles (20 kilometers) in Gaza. Until November last year, it was believed that there were more than 10000 missiles in Gaza. However, thanks to the Iron Dome, point bombing and shelling of their storage sites, more than half of these missiles were destroyed.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim April 9 2013 08: 18 New
    -2
    PR, PR iron dome and it turned out to be just a piece of ineffective or ineffective iron!
    1. Professor
      April 9 2013 08: 20 New
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      PR, PR iron dome and it turned out to be just a piece of ineffective or ineffective iron!

      At least read the article, not to mention the study of materiel and statistics of interceptions. wink
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 08: 36 New
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        Quote: Professor
        At least read the article,

        Oh professor shalom! Yes, to hell with it with a dome, the more so. That they themselves translated the article. A clear opinion of various parties and no more.
        I watched an interesting interview on shale gas in the USA belay Professor, I’m completely at a loss, you wrote that everything is through, but it turns out that companies producing shale gas are on the verge of bankruptcy. Where is the cheap export gas promised by you, where is the profit?
        1. Professor
          April 9 2013 08: 46 New
          -5
          Salam Alekum, are you sure this site is suitable for discussing shale gas? wink
          Cheap shale gas in America is a fact. Consumers (my colleagues have confirmed this) pay 5 times less than before. At the expense of bankruptcy is a natural process of eliminating the weak and the transition of quantitative changes to qualitative ones. At the beginning of the oil rush there was the same picture.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 08: 53 New
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            Quote: Professor
            Are you sure this site is suitable for discussing shale gas?

            Professor, of course not! But running after you in a Sait ......... well, why really. When I'm sure you can give an answer, in the form of an exceptional exception and here wink
            Quote: Professor
            At the expense of bankruptcy is a natural process of eliminating the weak

            We begin, Exxon could not get enough gas in Poland and said goodbye to the country. Chesapeake Energy, one of the industry leaders, actually went bankrupt with a deficit of $ 22 billion, BHP Billiton Ltd reduced the value of its share of assets in shale gas by $ 2,84 billion, and BG Group Plc. and Encana Corp - more than $ 3 billion, well, somehow. Shale, shale, and in Russia we do not feed well wink
            1. Professor
              April 9 2013 09: 11 New
              +2
              I watched on Vesti on Sunday hit a slate. Smiled. laughing
              I have been playing stocks on Wall Street for many years and I can assure you that the state of the shares does not always reflect the real picture (damned speculators wassat ) However, retail gas in America is cheap, and no one sells it at a loss. This is a fact. Regarding potential exports, we will wait and see.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 09: 29 New
                +8
                Quote: Professor
                I watched on Vesti on Sunday hit a slate. Smiled

                I am glad that we are watching the same channels with you.
                Quote: Professor
                that stock status does not always reflect the real picture (damned speculators

                you will be surprised, but I have been proving to you for so long ............ that there are simply no words. Now you yourself are saying that the price of shares does not coincide with the real value, then it turns out that the real situation in the oil shale in a swamp laughing You just now breathed hope into Gazprom, I will urgently send your comment to Miller good
                Quote: Professor
                . However, retail gas in America is cheap, and no one sells it at a loss.

                One tiny question, but how then do companies end up in bankruptcy with such profit opportunities what But I understand, it's all the damned speculators wassat
                1. Professor
                  April 9 2013 09: 43 New
                  -3
                  Now you say yourself that the price of shares does not coincide with the real value, then it turns out that the real situation in the shale is finally in the swamp

                  Quite the opposite. A couple of years ago, the market value of the company with which I work was two times lower than the amount of even cash in its accounts (about $ 400 million in cash), not to mention real estate, etc. The new CEO began to buy up not to lose the company (I hope you know how) own company stocks to make them less available. And gas in America is cheap, it’s a fact, the rest is talk.
              2. Atlon
                Atlon April 9 2013 10: 23 New
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                Quote: Professor
                I watched on Vesti on Sunday hit a slate. Smiled.

                What exactly smiled? An explosion in the kitchen sink? Yes, you are the original! For example, this horrifies me!
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply April 10 2013 07: 55 New
                  0
                  Can you imagine how an order for a report of such a plan is formed, and what can be crammed into this report if you wish? If the journalists wanted, there would be aliens in the kitchen, quite natural.
              3. kenvas
                kenvas April 9 2013 16: 34 New
                0
                Our gas is very expensive !!! that's why I, like many, are switching to electricity, but about shale in our states all this is PR and political move
              4. Phantom Revolution
                Phantom Revolution April 9 2013 19: 24 New
                0
                Gas is cheap due to subsidies from oil shale companies, and its production is dangerous for the environment, and production itself is on the verge of profitability.
          2. tomket
            tomket April 9 2013 09: 08 New
            +8
            Professor, you better tell me when the West, with the help of shale gas, is going to throw off Putin’s stranglehold and heal humanly?)))))))
            1. Professor
              April 9 2013 09: 47 New
              10
              This is my last comment on gas in this thread.
              Living in the West for more than one year, I did not observe tension among Aboriginal people about gas dependence on Russia. IMHO in Russia, this topic is perceived as a "lever of pressure on the West", but in fact, the Russian economy and, moreover, its power is tied to the West more than that of Russia. Even the daughters of Putin and Lavrov, and they do not live in the "friendly" Abkhazia or Venezuela, but in the "hostile" West.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 10: 00 New
                +8
                Quote: Professor
                This is my last comment on gas in this thread.

                I agree to the horn of American shale gas!
                Quote: Professor
                Even the daughters of Putin and Lavrov and those who live not in the "friendly" Abkhazia or Venezuela, but in the "hostile" West.

                Where does infa from daughters come from, exact data from Mossad or the OBS system?
                1. Professor
                  April 9 2013 10: 06 New
                  +3
                  Dutch De Telegraaf found Putin's daughter with her boyfriend in a penthouse in Worschoten

                  http://eg.ru/daily/politics/11095/
                  "The daughter of Sergei Viktorovich Lavrov and Maria Alexandrovna Ekaterina entered Columbia University"
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 10: 29 New
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                    Quote: Professor
                    Dutch De Telegraaf found Putin's daughter with her boyfriend in a penthouse in Worschoten

                    You sho, but our press found Putin’s daughter in South Korea, and another newspaper found her in Mozambique laughing
                  2. baltika-18
                    baltika-18 April 9 2013 13: 07 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Professor
                    Dutch De Telegraaf found Putin's daughter with her boyfriend in a penthouse in Worschoten

                    Four hours ago, Dmitry Peskov denied this information.
                    But in fact, what do daughters do, who knows?
                    Although what do I care?
              2. Vanek
                Vanek April 9 2013 10: 03 New
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                about gas dependence on Russia


                WHERE ARE YOU, IN THE CASE OF WHAT WILL GAS BE PURCHASED ???
                1. Rider
                  Rider April 9 2013 12: 03 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vanek


                  WHERE ARE YOU, IN THE CASE OF WHAT WILL GAS BE PURCHASED ???


                  Well, where, where.
                  the stump is clear in Israel, there a long time ago a large deposit was discovered at sea.

                  Watch out for Gazprom!

                  wink
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply April 10 2013 07: 57 New
                    0
                    Several, to be more precise
                2. igor67
                  igor67 April 9 2013 16: 19 New
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                  Quote: Vanek
                  Quote: Professor
                  about gas dependence on Russia


                  WHERE ARE YOU, IN THE CASE OF WHAT WILL GAS BE PURCHASED ???

                  Israel began gas production from its own field
                  Israel began gas production from the Tamar field in the Mediterranean, The Financial Times reports. The hydrocarbon feed went through the gas pipeline connecting the offshore platforms to the terminal in the city of Ashdod on March 30, at 4 o'clock local time. The launch of the project took four years from the discovery of reserves to the start of full operation. The total investment of holdings in joint ventures of companies - the local Delek Group and the American Noble Energy - amounted to three billion dollars. At the same time, the Israeli economy, which is still dependent on imports of hydrocarbons, mainly oil, will benefit from the launch of the field about 13 billion dollars a year. This will be expressed in the fact that the local state energy company Israel Electric Corp. can significantly save on fuel purchases. According to experts from the Bank of Israel, Tamar will add one percentage point to the country's economic growth rate. A significant portion of the gas produced at the field is likely to be sold abroad. In connection with the beginning of the export of raw materials, the Israeli government was thinking about creating a sovereign fund, which would add up the money received from the sale of gas abroad.
                3. rolik
                  rolik April 9 2013 16: 44 New
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                  Quote: Vanek
                  WHERE ARE YOU, IN THE CASE OF WHAT WILL GAS BE PURCHASED ???

                  Why buy, they will take more of pea or bean soup, add stewed cabbage to it, and the whole thing is varnished with kefir.
                  The further process is extremely simple, mass release of gases by the population into large-large gas storages. For individual tubes that are inserted ... well, you can guess where they will be inserted.
              3. Atlon
                Atlon April 9 2013 10: 26 New
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                Quote: Professor
                Living in the West for more than one year, I did not observe tension among Aboriginal people about gas dependence on Russia.

                And in England, for example, pensioners in homes freeze in the cold. And death. there is simply no money to buy gas at the supermarket. Gas is expensive, and it is in cylinders. There is no gasification there. Germany is drowned with firewood (I know this from my own experience).
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply April 10 2013 07: 58 New
                  0
                  International Panorama, 1982 issue
              4. Civil
                Civil April 9 2013 18: 33 New
                0
                there is gas ... there is oil ... we'll figure it out)
              5. ultra
                ultra April 10 2013 21: 23 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Russia perceive this topic as a “lever of pressure on the West”,
                IMHO In the West, this topic is perceived as a "lever of pressure" of Russia on ALL! hi
          3. Atlon
            Atlon April 9 2013 10: 20 New
            +9
            Quote: Professor
            Consumers (my colleagues have confirmed this) pay 5 times less than before.

            But nothing that the water from the tap burns like gasoline? Do farmers carry potable water over 200 km? Are pastures reduced by 2-3 times? A livestock case? You do not think, this is not my nonsense, I saw and heard it. An explosion in the kitchen from a match thrown into the sink, it's something!
            And yet ... AMERICAN experts believe that, provided that the ecology of a particular territory is FULLY destroyed, there will be enough gas in this territory, at best for 5-7 years, and at worst for 2-3 years ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 10: 27 New
              +7
              Quote: Atlon
              And yet ... AMERICAN experts believe that, provided that the ecology of a separate territory is FULLY destroyed, there will be enough gas in this territory, at best for 5-7 years, and at worst for 2-3 years.

              Yes, you listen to more experts, Obama said that shale gas is enough for them for 100 years, so it is, he is the president, he knows laughing
              1. Atlon
                Atlon April 9 2013 11: 39 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Obama said that they would have enough shale gas for 100 years,

                So they are in response to his statements and say ... But in general, all the talk, this is talk. But the explosion in the kitchen in the sink flowing from the tap water impressed me more than all the words ... Let there be gas for at least 1000 years! But if I can’t sit with a cigarette without fear in my glasses ... Nafig such gas to me!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 12: 38 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Atlon
                  But if I can’t sit with a cigarette without fear in my glasses ... Nafig such gas to me!

                  It’s clear, then we are waiting for the bankruptcy of companies producing mineral water in the USA laughing
              2. rolik
                rolik April 9 2013 16: 44 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Obama said that shale gas is enough for them for 100 years, so it is, he’s the president, he knows

                And if he makes a mistake, then he farts his way into their vaults.
            2. Rider
              Rider April 9 2013 12: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: Atlon
              Atlon

              But nothing that the water from the tap burns like gasoline?



              you don’t understand anything in democracy.
              for the sake of independence from authoritarian Gazprom, you can tolerate.
              it’s true that some are temperamental, but it’s nothing, all the same, democracy is not enough for everyone.

              laughing
        2. Bronis
          Bronis April 9 2013 08: 56 New
          +7
          Where is the cheap export gas promised by you, where is the profit?
          And the answer is one. Again they are to blame ... laughing
          But in general, the "shale revolution" has not yet taken place. Generally a strange situation with her. The cost of shale gas is approximately 3-4 times higher than usual. But prices in the United States for shale gas for a long time kept below cost (who and why subsidized dumping, and then the money ran out?). Nevertheless, this allowed a somewhat lower price for ordinary gas. So “shale gas” is an economic weapon (both between states and companies) and a means of energy security if your country has its own shale gas and money for subsidizing its production. Like in the USA. But even there, the overall level of its production was not 100%, but only in the region of 30-40%. Large-scale export - at a loss.
          In general, such gas production was developed in the middle of the nineteenth century. But as long as there is cheaper gas, shale gas can have very limited markets with a dash of dumping and politics. His time can begin only when the cheaper gas runs out. Favorite market law. But this is not soon.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply April 10 2013 07: 54 New
          0
          Sasha, do not read Soviet newspapers at breakfast (c).

          As a PR specialist and journalist, I’m telling you - there is an order on the topic, and now it is being worked out intensively. Why? Well, for example, a drop in profits in a number of positions, and not at all among the Americans.
      2. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim April 9 2013 08: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        At least read the article, not to mention the study of materiel and statistics of interceptions.

        I SPECIFY SPECIALLY FOR YOU: At that time, politicians often mentioned the Iron Dome as a means of protecting residents of the country living in the immediate vicinity of the border. FURTHER The Israeli military recently reminded the public that the Iron Dome missile defense system was not designed to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply). Politics is one thing, the military is different. If there is a launch of 2 rockets from two sides, then the iron dome is in doubt.
        1. Professor
          April 9 2013 08: 42 New
          +4
          it turned out to be just a piece of ineffective or ineffective iron


          missile defense system The iron dome was not at all designed to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply)

          feel the difference wink
          1. Bronis
            Bronis April 9 2013 09: 18 New
            +6
            missile defense system The iron dome was not at all designed to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply)
            Maybe so, but the same Israeli politicians presented it precisely as protecting civilians. In addition, if everything is normal with the system, then the problem is not in quality, but in quantity. If you increase the number of batteries, then the population can be protected. Yes, and everything is relative. It depends on how much and where the Kasamov flies. So it’s not very convincing. The numbers on the number of rockets among the Palestinians are just words. And all these shellings are a PR for both sides. Over 12 years, about 20 people have died from these crafts, and thousands and thousands have been released, and accuracy is a separate issue. So the effect is more psychological.
          2. cth; fyn
            cth; fyn April 9 2013 09: 36 New
            +3
            missile defense system The iron dome was not at all designed to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply)

            However, it turned out that the Iron Dome needed about 15 seconds to detect, identify the target and launch interceptor missiles. Most civilian targets currently under fire from Gaza are so close to the border (within a radius of 13 km)

            Those. If you get to the dome systems at a distance of 13 km, then they can’t protect themselves?
            1. Professor
              April 9 2013 09: 50 New
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              Those. If you get to the dome systems at a distance of 13 km, then they can’t protect themselves?

              Crawling at night or tank column? wink
          3. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg April 9 2013 13: 43 New
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            Quote: Professor
            it turned out to be just a piece of ineffective or ineffective iron


            missile defense system The iron dome was not at all designed to protect cities and villages, but only military bases and life support facilities (energy and water supply)

            feel the difference wink


            One another is not a hindrance. Even military bases cannot be protected with a piece of iron :) ...
          4. Sirocco
            Sirocco April 10 2013 16: 51 New
            0
            What about this information? In total, on November 14, when a new round of Palestinian-Israeli confrontation began, the Iron Dome batteries shot down about 200 Palestinian missiles. Another 400 missiles exploded in Israel. It turns out that two-thirds of the missiles missed, which means that the effectiveness of such a missile defense system can be called into question, to put it mildly.

            To find out if this is really so, it is worth getting to know the Iron Dome better.

            The Iron Dome is positioned as an ideal system for intercepting Kassam, Grad or Fajr short and medium-range missiles, which are the main weapons of this type in the arsenals of Palestinian and Libyan armed forces. Each battery of the Iron Dome can launch 60 interceptor missiles at a time, providing protection for an area of ​​150 square kilometers. In addition, as a source in the company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, which developed the Iron Dome, told Israel Defense, this system can also shoot down aircraft flying at altitudes up to 10 kilometers.

            Impressive, however, each interception of the target can cost from 30 to 50 thousand dollars. And this despite the fact that the cost of manufacturing a homemade Kassam starts at $ 200, and the Grad rocket costs about a thousand dollars, writes ilgid.ru.

            This means that the cost of defense of Israel is many times higher than the cost of weapons produced to attack it.

            1. Professor
              April 10 2013 21: 06 New
              +1
              It turns out that two-thirds of the missiles missed, which means that the effectiveness of such a missile defense system can, to put it mildly, be called into question

              Let's return to the article (which you certainly read):
              The iron dome uses two radars to quickly calculate the trajectory of the attacking rocket and does nothing if the calculation of the trajectory of the rocket shows that it is heading to a deserted area

              This means that the cost of defense of Israel is many times higher than the cost of weapons produced to attack it.

              Reread the previous comments about what you need to compare the price of interceptor missiles.
        2. Atrix
          Atrix April 9 2013 10: 50 New
          +9
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          .If there will be the launch of 2 rockets from two sides, then the iron dome is in doubt.

          Tell me which air defense system can repel a raid of 2000 missiles? And the number of intercepted targets shows its effectiveness, as it seems to me now is the most effective air defense system for protecting objects from small targets. If you have data on other systems it was interesting to hear, only not the technical characteristics indicated in the passport but real successes.
          1. carver
            carver April 9 2013 15: 01 New
            +1
            Well, 2000 NURS, of course, will not bring anything down, about which the speech of the LCD does not do anything outstanding and is not something original or unique in its class. Well, it’s not difficult to call it cheap at all.

            http://www.arms-expo.ru/055057052124050051056055051.html
      3. Inzhengr
        Inzhengr April 9 2013 08: 42 New
        +6
        A good system, Israeli and American “gray cardinals” from the military-industrial complex make huge money, they probably deliver to the Arabs of Kassama, under pain of constant threat, the people will be more accommodating.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 10 2013 07: 59 New
          0
          Ingenious. Can I have more conspiracy theories? Oh please!
      4. Arberes
        Arberes April 9 2013 08: 49 New
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        PROFESSOR (1), Hello dear hi
        The system is really good, according to statistics. But it is imprisoned for the destruction of missiles with a radius of destruction of 30-40 km. if I understood correctly? The system takes 15-20 seconds to detect and launch a missile!
        Yes, many countries can only dream of such complexes !!! ISRAEL is a high-tech state (probably life itself makes you keep such a high bar).
        And at the expense of a massive blow from HESBALLS or other evil spirits, I think this strike will not work out especially massive, for one simple reason.
        The army of ISRAEL will simply destroy many launchers and their calculations even when they are deployed. Drones, fighters, and helicopters will hang in the air and will wet the martyrs of Allah, without waiting until they climb into the outhouse!
        1. Professor
          April 9 2013 09: 04 New
          +7
          But it is imprisoned for the destruction of missiles with a radius of destruction of 30-40 km. if I understood correctly?

          The first modifications were intended to intercept missiles at ranges of up to 70 km, information passed that it was modernized and increased range. For missiles with a long range, another Magic Wand system is created.

          And at the expense of a massive blow from HEZBALL or other evil spirits, I think this strike will not work out especially massive

          If they want it, it will turn out (although in 2006 Hezbollah got so brazen that since then the northern border of Israel has been the quietest in its entire history), it’s not realistic to intercept or destroy 40 missiles. Nevertheless, in Israel in every house and every apartment there is a bomb shelter, and since 2008, the bomb shelter in each new apartment must be equipped with an air filtration system from weapons of mass destruction. Without this system, the house will not be accepted. It is ironic that neighbors always accuse Israel of aggression, but they build bomb shelters only for their political leadership. For example, a Hamas bunker is located under a hospital in Gaza. There is no bomb shelter in the hospital itself. request
          1. psdf
            psdf April 9 2013 11: 10 New
            +7
            Hard at you there. But caring for civilians is certainly impressive.
            And the seriousness of the approach, too.
            1. igor67
              igor67 April 9 2013 16: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: psdf
              Hard at you there. But caring for civilians is certainly impressive.
              And the seriousness of the approach, too.

              Under the Ashkelon deployed battery missile defense "Iron Dome"

              publication time: April 8, 2013 22:37 p.m.
              last updated: April 8, 2013 22:37 PM



              The Israeli military deployed a missile defense system battery in the Ashkelon area. According to Doron Nakhum on the Nana10 website, the army made this decision after examining the current situation in the Gaza Strip.

              On the evening of April 8, in the area of ​​the local council of Eshkol, the early warning system for rocket attacks “Tseva Adom” worked, but it turned out that there was a false alarm.

              On the evening of April 7, shortly after the commemoration of the Holocaust Remembrance Day ceremonies, Palestinian terrorists fired from the Gaza Strip at least three Qassam rockets towards Israeli territory. One of the rockets exploded in an open area in the West Negev, the other two fell within the Gaza Strip.

              On April 3, the Iron Dome system battery was deployed under Eilat. The reason for the deployment of the missile defense system in the south was the fear of the military that Eilat would again become the target of the terrorists who settled on the Sinai Peninsula.
          2. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg April 9 2013 13: 48 New
            -4
            Bomb shelters are certainly good - in case of contact, no one will have to be buried. I mean, the politics in Israel is strange. It seems not aggressors, but the territory of the state is constantly increasing. It would have been a long time since we had cleared all this bearded bastard and leveled a strip 60 km around the border ... it would have been impossible to do it, no, the dome was being built with anti-aircraft missiles, instead of artillery mounts, which in principle is logical for the near air defense zone.
            1. Professor
              April 9 2013 13: 52 New
              +1
              Bomb shelters are certainly good - in case of contact, no one will have to be buried.

              Not so fast. So far, none of those who were in the bomb shelters were injured even when they hit the rocket directly.

              It seems not aggressors, but the territory of the state is constantly increasing.

              Oh, not really yours. Since 1967, it is only declining.

              For a long time already, we would have cleaned up all this bearded bastard and leveled a strip of 60 km around the border with the earth ...

              They can not, the left camp does not allow.
              1. sergius60
                sergius60 April 9 2013 15: 06 New
                +1
                An urgent need to help the Syrian "comrades" in stripping. For those who survived are not going to play in the apiary. Jihadists, they are EVERYWHERE jihadists ...
              2. psdf
                psdf April 11 2013 15: 55 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Oh, not really yours. Since 1967, it is only declining.

                In 1967, 20 km².
                The population, according to the Central Statistical Office of Israel in January 2013, is 8,0 million people, the territory - 22 072 km².


                And it was somehow like this:
                After the Arab-Israeli war of 1948–1949, in accordance with the terms of the ceasefire between Israel and each of its neighbors (Egypt, Transjordan, Syria and Lebanon), new borders arose that were not officially recognized by any country, but remained until the Arab Israeli (Six Day) War of 1967. Within their borders, the area of ​​Israel was approx. 20,7 thousand square meters km, with a length from north to south of 470 km and a maximum width of 135 km. During the Six Day War, Israel occupied the Sinai Peninsula (61 thousand sq. Km.) And the Gaza Strip (198 sq. Km) near Egypt, the West Bank (378 sq. Km) and East Jerusalem (5879 sq. Km) ) - in Jordan and the Golan Heights (St. 70 sq. Km) - in Syria. As a result, an area of ​​1250 sq. M. km During the Doomsday War (69), the borders on the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights changed again in favor of Israel, but in 859 Israel returned Syria a narrow strip in the Golan Heights with the city of Kuneitra, and Egypt - part of the territory east of the Suez Canal . In accordance with the terms of the 1973 peace treaty, by May 1974, Israel had withdrawn its troops from the Sinai Peninsula. The border between Israel and Egypt was restored. In December 1979, Israel announced the annexation of the Golan Heights (1982 sq. Km.) And East Jerusalem. However, the UN and most countries condemned this move.
      5. vilenich
        vilenich April 9 2013 08: 54 New
        +7
        Quote: Professor
        At least read the article, not to mention the study of materiel and statistics of interceptions.

        After a detailed study of the materiel, it turned out that it was enough for the Arabs to change the tactics of launch organization and the statistics would immediately change.
        1. Professor
          April 9 2013 09: 14 New
          +4
          In theory, yes, in practice, for some reason, they did not succeed. Thousands of missiles fired resulted in only a few victims, and most of them because of the curiosity of the deceased.
      6. alicante11
        alicante11 April 9 2013 11: 31 New
        +2
        That's right, cool thing. Only the article says that they promoted it on the defense of cities and villages. But it turned out ...
        However, everything is logical. You can sell mass any air defense and missile defense. The issue of cost and cost. And what about the "kumpol"? If one rocket costs 40k bakares each. How much do BMs intercepted by them cost.
        1. Atrix
          Atrix April 9 2013 12: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: alicante11
          The issue of cost and cost. And what about the "kumpol"? If one rocket costs 40k bakares each.

          The question is how much does a destroyed building cost from a rocket hit? How much does a destroyed plant cost from a rocket hit? And most importantly, how much does a human life cost? Maybe for Russia this is not so important, but I think that for Israel it is more important than $ 40000 This is also why spend money on bulletproof vests for soldiers because the bullet is much cheaper, why create active and passive defenses on the tank, because the RPG shell is cheaper.
          And again, give examples where the air defense system is so successful and costs, for example, half the price, just not fictional systems on paper? So while they haven’t come up with anything cheaper, they protect their citizens as they can, in other countries there isn’t any, and a large territory in general is not covered by air defense.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 April 9 2013 12: 55 New
            +1
            No, let the rockets be thrown at least in dollars. Just a weapon is always evaluated on the basis of price / quality. On this, the Germans burned with their Tigers and Panthers against the T-34. While amers print green toilet paper, and have the opportunity to sell it around the world, the Jews, of course, have no problem intercepting “hail” with 40 mowing rockets. However, not all cats have Shrovetide. Once this business will end, and where will the Jews get this scrap metal back then?
            1. Atrix
              Atrix April 9 2013 13: 35 New
              +6
              Quote: alicante11
              alicante11

              Well, I repeat once again give an example of air defense where the cost is lower and the level of interception at the same level. And the Germans did not lose because the T-34 is cheaper than the Panthers and Tigers.
              Quote: alicante11
              and where will the Jews get this scrap metal then?

              I’ll get a minus now, but Russia doesn’t have such scrap, and the much-praised C-400 has not yet completed the rocket, and it is not yet clear how effective it is. All you are saying now is a simple envy that some people have it, but you don’t have one and you begin to look for any shortcomings in order to belittle the people who developed and put the Iron Dome on alert
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 April 9 2013 14: 07 New
                +3
                About air defense - so any air defense missile is cheaper than an airplane. On missile defense, it’s more complicated. But this just says that missile defense is a system against a weak adversary. Against equals will not work.

                And the Germans did not lose because the T-34 is cheaper than the Panthers and Tigers.


                Defeat does not have one reason. But from this the failure of the decision does not become less.

                I’ll get a minus now, but Russia doesn’t have such scrap, and the much-praised C-400 has not yet completed the rocket, and it is not yet clear how effective it is. All you are saying now is a simple envy that some people have it, but you don’t have one and you begin to look for any shortcomings in order to belittle the people who developed and put the Iron Dome on alert


                Yeah, really something, and all sorts of air defense systems in Russia are a dime a dozen. Moreover, the quality is much higher than foreign. But with missile defense systems, yes, I’ve strained it. Well, the territory is slightly larger than the Israeli patch. Although for Moscow the system was still in the USSR. At the expense of the rocket for C-400, the problem was with a rocket designed to destroy objects in space. The rest are working at home. Yes, and it was two years ago. Now, perhaps, have already finished. So if you are envious, it’s for you, independent and independent.
                1. Atrix
                  Atrix April 9 2013 14: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: alicante11
                  So if you are envious, it’s for you, independent and independent.

                  I’m just saying that I’m independent and self-sufficient))) It’s not that there is no air defense anymore)) But seriously, Russia has nothing like the Iron Dome And you never called me a similar system for much cheaper.
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Moreover, qualitatively much higher than foreign

                  Also a controversial issue, quality can be checked only in combat conditions, and as far as I know, the C300 and the more so the C400 have not been tested in combat conditions, so this is all in theory and according to their developers
                  Quote: alicante11
                  About air defense - so any air defense missile is cheaper than an airplane.

                  A missile may be cheaper, but the system itself in a complex will probably be worth the same as an airplane, and the fact that it is vulnerable as well as an airplane I think is useless to argue.
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 April 9 2013 15: 33 New
                    -5
                    And you never called me a similar system for much cheaper.


                    I will quote myself beloved :).

                    On missile defense, it’s more complicated. But this just says that missile defense is a system against a weak adversary. Against equals will not work.


                    Or is it not clear?

                    Also a controversial issue, quality can be checked only in combat conditions, and as far as I know, the C300 and the more so the C400 have not been tested in combat conditions, so this is all in theory and according to their developers


                    Well, amers are in no hurry to check even the old C-300 in Syria. Not to mention the new modifications. It says something about something.

                    A missile may be cheaper, but the system itself in a complex will probably be worth the same as an airplane, and the fact that it is vulnerable as well as an airplane I think is useless to argue.


                    Which is cheaper - an air defense system or an airplane - is a moot point. There is too much of everything from R&D to the fact that the 1 air defense system can shoot down several aircraft. But in general, claims to the "kumpol" are the high cost of the missile itself.
              2. sergius60
                sergius60 April 9 2013 15: 12 New
                0
                They did not complete the long-range missile. Like an analogue of SM-3. Satellites "wet". And the rest is all tip-top. Algorithms for managing a complex of analogues do NOT HAVE at all. This is a note.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 9 2013 14: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: "The Iron Dome successfully intercepted Hamas missile attacks (approximately 1500 missiles) last November."
      Not intercepted, but 1500 missiles were launched across Israeli territory, of which 430 were intercepted.

      It is further written that the battery is a radar, the control center and 4 launchers - again lied. The complex includes only 3 launchers, 20 missiles each, totaling 60 missiles.

      And now that he "Iron Dome" protects. Do you think the lives of the Israelis? No! Money!!

      Each launch of an Iron Dome system rocket costs 30-40 thousand US dollars, which is many times higher than the cost of any possible intercepted missiles. Thus, even with 100% effectiveness, intercepting an attack means will be much more expensive than the cost of the attack itself. But the economic efficiency of the system lies in the fact that earlier, when a missile hit a residential quarter, the state paid at least one million shekels (about $ 250) to the city and its residents.

      According to an interview with Colonel of the Israeli army “Ts” (the name is forbidden for publication), the head of the Iron Dome project, the Yediot Aharonot newspaper, about 4000 rockets were fired on Israel during the Second Lebanon War, 1000 of which hit settlements. When using the Iron Dome, the costs would have cost 50-100 million dollars, but during the war only direct damage amounted to 1,5 billion dollars. The same can be seen in Operation Cast Lead. Thus, with a long conflict, the cost of missiles is only 3-7% of the cost of possible damage.

      The price of one battery is, according to various estimates, from 50 million to 170 million dollars.

      PS Right-click on the picture and "open image."
      1. Professor
        April 9 2013 14: 48 New
        +6
        Not intercepted, but 1500 missiles were launched across Israeli territory, of which 430 were intercepted.

        I couldn’t translate better. This reminder comes after Iron Dome successfully Defeated a Hamas attack (using 1,500 rockets) last November. request

        And now that he "Iron Dome" protects. Do you think the lives of the Israelis? No! Money!!

        Tell me, do you care for what reason the state takes care of you? Because of money or altruism? The main thing that would take care. hi

        It is further written that the battery is a radar, the control center and 4 launchers - again lied.

        Not at all. Namely 4. Initially, Rafael did not have time with the production of the Tamirs and PU. There were 3 each. Then the backlog was made up and now there are 4 PUs on the battery.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith April 9 2013 15: 27 New
          0
          Plus set for honesty.

          Therefore, the concern of management is fully justified. Launching several thousand rockets in approximately the same direction, even if we take into account that batteries can distinguish between 70% -80% of the missiles flying into the desert, and they will work out the rest. All the same, a very difficult situation turns out. they saw the videos themselves, a lot of videos where 2-3 missiles are spent on one missile. it turns out one battery with 60 anti-missiles loaded and ready for combat duty can shoot down 20-30 missiles - already flying to the city.
          Although the information slipped through, you modified your anti-missiles, now one anti-missile, less often two, is launched to intercept one missile.

          However, 6-7 batteries are approximately 180-210 missiles. Each of the 7 batteries covers a large city, airfield, base or power station.
        2. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith April 9 2013 15: 32 New
          +1
          Plus set for honesty.

          However, 6-7 batteries are approximately 180-210 missiles. Each of the 7 batteries covers a large city, airfield, base or power station. That is, it covers small areas of 20-30 km.

          Therefore, the concern of management is fully justified. Launching several thousand rockets in approximately the same direction, even if we take into account that batteries can distinguish between 70% -80% of the missiles flying into the desert, and they will work out the rest.
          All the same, a very difficult situation turns out. they saw the videos themselves, a lot of videos where 2-3 missiles are spent on one missile. It turns out one battery with 60 anti-ballistic missiles loaded and ready for combat duty, can shoot down 20-30 missiles - already flying to the city.

          Although the information slipped through, you modified your anti-missiles, now one anti-missile, less often two, is launched to intercept one missile.
          1. Professor
            April 9 2013 15: 36 New
            0
            Each of the 7 batteries covers a large city, airfield, base or power station. That is, it covers small areas of 20-30 km.

            Each battery with old interceptors covers an area of ​​approximately 150 square kilometers.
            1. yanus
              yanus April 9 2013 16: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Each battery with old interceptors covers an area of ​​approximately 150 square kilometers.

              Are you trying to impress schoolchildren who were skipping geometry? )))
              Do you count the radius of a circle with an area of ​​150 sq. Km or do you shake the antiquity yourself? Maybe prefers the area of ​​the square? )))
              In general, in order to produce more impression, you give the amount of space that is covered. There are more than a thousand cubic kilometers! Power!!!! )))
              1. Professor
                April 9 2013 16: 07 New
                +5
                Dear, I only quote the TTX declared by the developer. Materiel so to speak. Everything is fine with geometry.
                Only an illiterate person to the question "How to find Lenin Square?" answers "Lenin's length multiplied by the width of Lenin ..."
                A competent person knows that we need to take the integral over the surface!
                1. rolik
                  rolik April 9 2013 23: 13 New
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  I am only quoting the specifications stated by the developer

                  But what about your missile defense says a leading American expert:
                  If Israeli experts claim that its efficiency is about 84%, the American scientist estimates it at only 5-10%. The successful operation of the Iron Dome system, built by the Israeli company RAFAEL and funded largely by the US authorities, was one of the most important military aspects of last year’s operation in the Gaza Strip, dubbed the Cloud Pillar. However, according to Postol, all the "evidence" indicates that the claimed effectiveness of hitting the target of this system in reality is much lower, reports BBC.
                  Theodore Postol confirms his doubts, first of all, by the nature of the warheads mounted on anti-ballistic missiles, and the flight paths of these missiles, which he managed to study after the end of the November conflict in the Gaza Strip. According to the expert’s calculations, the Iron Dome shells can destroy the warhead of another rocket, heading towards the protected area, only if they collide head-on with it, that is, the interceptor rocket should move along a direct path.
                  “If the anti-missile flies along a different trajectory with respect to the enemy’s missile, then it will not be possible to destroy the warhead. Even a side attack on the incoming missile will most likely be insufficient to detonate the warhead,” says Theodore Postol.
                  According to the expert, it is not possible to calculate the exact effectiveness of the Iron Dome during last year’s operation, since all the necessary information is not publicly available. However, based on the available data, the Israeli leadership's declared effectiveness of 84% is clearly overstated. According to the professor, in reality it hardly exceeds 5-10%.
                  According to Theodore Postol, the Israeli authorities deliberately overestimated these statistics in order to avoid the continuation of this military conflict, which is very costly for both the Israeli and the Palestinian side. However, in the future, according to the expert, such a deception may lead to sad results, in particular, to “unjustified waste of limited defense assets,” including financial assistance provided by the US authorities to support the defense sector in Israel.
                  And now, parafint your star-striped friends. bully
                  1. Professor
                    April 10 2013 08: 06 New
                    +2
                    But what about your missile defense says a leading American expert:

                    This "specialist" came to such a sensational conclusion on the basis of watching videos on YouTube !!! and who decided in this way to make fun of it was repeatedly ridiculed. I just want to ask him, if the LCD intercepted only 5-10% of the missiles, then where are the remaining 90-95%? Fell in a vacuum? Ahhh, I get it. Mossad quickly before the arrival of residents with iPhones and Facebook repaired all the damaged buildings and cured (and sometimes even resurrected) all the victims laughing

                    PS
                    According to the expert’s calculations, the Iron Dome shells can destroy the warhead of another rocket, heading towards the protected area, only if they collide head-on with it, that is, the interceptor rocket should move along a direct path.

                    I cried when I read it the first time. Does the Tamir missile have no explosive in the warhead and is it purely kinetic? An expert however ... fool
            2. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith April 9 2013 16: 04 New
              +1
              Ie even less? Not 20 km - 30 km. And such a square with sides of 12,2 km each.
              1. Professor
                April 9 2013 16: 13 New
                +1
                IMHO, it is necessary to proceed from the area of ​​the segment since the system is not intended for all-round defense.
                1. yanus
                  yanus April 9 2013 16: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Professor
                  IMHO, it is necessary to proceed from the area of ​​the segment since the system is not intended for all-round defense.

                  No, well, it’s quite logical. For speed of reaction a stationary radar is preferable.
                  Based on the Wikipedia maximum interception range, a sector of about 3.5 degrees is obtained and the front of the interception is about 4.5 km. Provided that the enemy’s territory is controlled and the launch direction is known, it’s normal in principle, but it’s not super either ... Maybe Wikipedia has the wrong range.
              2. yanus
                yanus April 9 2013 16: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: Lord of the Sith
                Ie even less? Not 20 km - 30 km. And such a square with sides of 12,2 km each.

                For power plants, etc. is enough.
                1. Lord of the Sith
                  Lord of the Sith April 9 2013 16: 24 New
                  0
                  Quote: yanus
                  For power plants, etc. is enough.


                  Here it is for power plants and so on. You can’t apply it globally.

                  Quote: Professor
                  IMHO, it is necessary to proceed from the area of ​​the segment since the system is not intended for all-round defense.


                  Thanks for the illustration. I look at all the shortcomings. The Iron Dome is not yet designed for all-round defense as in general, and the Patriot.

                  What can I say - תשמרי על עצמך
                  1. Professor
                    April 9 2013 16: 38 New
                    +1
                    What can I say - תשמרי על עצמך

                    Your phrase is addressed to a female interlocutor, but I am not one (Correctly spelled תשמר על עצמך) laughing . But thank you for the care. hi
                    1. Lord of the Sith
                      Lord of the Sith April 9 2013 16: 59 New
                      +1
                      I am wildly sorry, I did not want to offend.
                      1. Professor
                        April 9 2013 18: 06 New
                        +1
                        What insults can be?wink
                        Here is a photo of the radar, as you can see it is stationary, but copes with the intended tasks.
                      2. psdf
                        psdf April 11 2013 16: 02 New
                        0
                        There are no basic signs of stationarity ...
                        A good mobile platform for your radars. Looks beautiful.
  2. Pimply
    Pimply April 10 2013 07: 51 New
    -1
    Actually, if only they had read the article.

    The dome worked more than efficiently.
  • tomket
    tomket April 9 2013 08: 54 New
    +7
    in general, using the Iron Dome against Grad rockets is a sure way to undermine Israel’s economy. Since their cost is not compatible, the Arabs are on the right track))))
    1. 101
      101 April 9 2013 09: 16 New
      +4
      We think then we write and not vice versa. Attach your opinion to your home and family, then it can change.
      1. tomket
        tomket April 9 2013 13: 04 New
        0
        and if I attach my opinion to the occupants who have seized my land, and arrange a safari on my fellow tribesmen?
    2. Professor
      April 9 2013 09: 16 New
      +2
      For the thousandth time. Compare the cost of Tamir with the cost of a power plant. After all, you do not compare the cost of a bullet and a bulletproof vest?
      PS
      The Iron Dome is mostly funded by the Americans ...
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn April 9 2013 09: 38 New
        +1
        So it is necessary to compare not the cost of the bronik, but the cost of the affected plates. wassat
        1. Professor
          April 9 2013 09: 55 New
          +4
          Do not set off. Compare the price of the bullet and the price of life, not body armor or affected plates. hi
          1. Vanek
            Vanek April 9 2013 09: 58 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Compare the price of a bullet and the price of life


            We would compare, yes you have body armor (Iron Dome).

          2. tomket
            tomket April 9 2013 13: 06 New
            +1
            I would compare the projectile from the “hail” on a tripod with a medieval trebuchet or a ballista, it’s too commendable with a bullet, nevertheless the bullet loots where it was deliberately aimed, and not disperse jerboas in the desert.
            1. Professor
              April 9 2013 13: 47 New
              0
              the projectile from the “hail” on the tripod I would rather compare with the medieval trebuchet or ballista

              What is the Grad issued not "from the touch" of the QUO? Or tell you? Straight high-precision weapons are obtained. I naively thought that they work in areas ... bully
              1. tomket
                tomket April 9 2013 21: 38 New
                0
                so I say that everything was fanned as if the launch of 300 “tomahawks” had been reflected
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 April 9 2013 12: 59 New
        0
        In-in, about which I am. Rather, not by amers, but by us, who pays for their green papers. But it will not always be so. And if you put BM-ok on the 10000 power plant? Even if they are all intercepted by rockets at the cost of 40 mowers, how much will it work? I got 400 000 000 on tracing paper. Isn't it cool for a power plant. And this is not counting the complexes themselves and the salaries of highly qualified personnel. So, I'm afraid that after applying such a bulletproof vest, the body that it protects will hang itself :).
    3. evgenii67
      evgenii67 April 9 2013 09: 35 New
      +8
      What are you talking about, comrades? I must admit that the "iron dome" system is a very good thing, such a percentage of downed missiles (small sizes) will not be provided by a single air defense system.
      Quote: tomket
      in general, using the Iron Dome against Grad rockets is a sure way to undermine Israel’s economy. Since their cost is not compatible, the Arabs are on the right track))))

      it is better to spend $ 400 thousand to launch 10 missiles and destroy 8-9 rockets (with a total cost of up to $ 10 thousand) of the enemy than to pay with lives and destroyed buildings
      1. tomket
        tomket April 9 2013 13: 07 New
        +3
        and the "iron dome" was used against volley fire batteries and "hail"? namely batteries and not starting tripods?
  • Vanek
    Vanek April 9 2013 09: 56 New
    +6
    - Iron?
    - Iron!
    - The dome?
    - The dome!

    Ahhh
  • xmike
    xmike April 9 2013 10: 20 New
    +1
    You just need to send humanitarian aid to Palestine in the form of several batteries of CITIES. With a missile cost of $ 40K, this will be a direct path to the ruin of Israel.
    1. Professor
      April 9 2013 10: 29 New
      +5
      It will turn out like a Mavi Marmara, the special forces will crash a dozen “escorts”, and then the prime minister will apologize, but the load will not reach. Of course there is an option for tunnels from Sinai, but there Mursi is now steering. You can also shoot down all drones with gas with a nuclear bomb, the same option.

      As for the ruin, I will repeat specifically for you, the Americans are betraying the system, and the printing press on green pieces of paper is working properly for them. fellow
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 10: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        , Americans are betraying the system, and the printing press on green pieces of paper is working properly for them.

        Professor, what will happen when the machine breaks down, all the circumstances in the world economy go exactly to this. I recommend that your government pay attention to rubles and C 400 wink
        1. Professor
          April 9 2013 10: 46 New
          +6
          Professor, what will happen when the machine breaks down, all the circumstances in the world economy go exactly to this

          1. Doesn’t break, look at the figures for declining US unemployment. Beats positive records.
          2. If it breaks, then it will be transferred to self-financing. The price of production is declining day by day. The purchased equipment and partially NKR are also included in the cost of Tamir.
          3. If it breaks, then the Palestinian sponsors from the Arabian Peninsula will run out of these papers and the Palestinians will return to traditional stone-throwing.
          1. Rider
            Rider April 9 2013 12: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            look at the figures for lower unemployment in the United States. Beats positive records.



            officially yes.
            but literally today I came across
            http://oko-planet.su/finances/financesnews/177796-bolee-101-milliona-amerikancev
            -rabochego-vozrasta-ne-imeyut-rabotu.html

            tama reference to a bourgeois resource
            1. Professor
              April 9 2013 13: 34 New
              +5
              but literally today I came across

              I read the article. It turns out that 101 million working Americans are unemployed, and this is with a total population of 316 million. Do not be confused by the number? Children under 14 years old make up 20% of the population (male 32,344,207 / female 31,006,688), over 65-13.9% (male 19,122,853 / female 24,774,052) = total 107 million. The working population remains 209 million. It turns out that every second American is unemployed? Do you believe that yourself?
              1. Rider
                Rider April 9 2013 14: 51 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Do you believe that yourself?


                Well, how can I tell you.
                seems to be yes, it seems like our sites are like marsh ones, which pour dirt and frank misinformation about the Russian Federation.

                but on the other side
                in the United States, the level of homeless people is constantly growing, and the number of people receiving all kinds of benefits, including free daily feeding.
                (it’s absolutely great that the government does not leave people to their fate)
                but it’s somehow difficult to explain with a DECREASE in unemployment, and an increase in all kinds of macroeconomic indicators.


                In addition, I heard that the count of unemployed in the United States is very interesting.
                there, a person who has worked for a week a month (random day work) is not considered unemployed.
                so it turns out, the man worked for a month, and for six months now he has not been on the lists.
                Again, there is a category of part-time and part-time workers.
                for example, a person will sit on the phone for 3 hours and is no longer unemployed.
                it is kaneshno all professions are important, and denyuzhka superfluous does not happen.
                but...
                1. Professor
                  April 9 2013 15: 03 New
                  0
                  seems Yes

                  No matter how much the Obama administration lies, the number of unemployed in the USA cannot be 50% (101 million) or even 25%. Therefore, the article is nonsense. By the way, the author complains that despite a significant improvement in the economy (he also praised the authorities), the number of unemployed does not decrease due to the widespread introduction of production automation (robots). It's like ...
                  Thanks to robots, computers and other forms of technology, big corporations simply do not need as many human workers as they used to.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 12: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Professor

            1. Doesn’t break, look at the figures for declining US unemployment. Beats positive records.

            Professor, we have all heard about the positive since 2008, but the situation is not improving. Either the city is declared bankrupt, then military budgets are being cut, then reductions are coming hi
            Quote: Professor
            3. If it breaks, then the Palestinian sponsors from the Arabian Peninsula will run out of these papers and the Palestinians will return to traditional stone-throwing.

            Ek Makalek, yes they have enough weapons for 20 years of continuous warriors, they will move to the yuan laughing
            1. Professor
              April 9 2013 13: 39 New
              +1
              Ek Makalek, yes they have enough weapons for 20 years of continuous warriors, they will move to the yuan

              1.Until November last year, it was believed that there were more than 10000 missiles in Gaza. However, thanks to the Iron Dome, precision bombing and shelling of their storage sites, more than half of these missiles were destroyed.
              2. "Yuan" live solely at the expense of those who print green papers. Do not become green papers stop buying hydrocarbons and products Made in China.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 April 9 2013 16: 27 New
                +2
                Yeah, this is a joke. But how did they live without green papers? And they bought both goods and energy.
        2. evgenii67
          evgenii67 April 9 2013 13: 58 New
          +6
          Greetings, Alexander! The Iron Dome and the S-400 (300) are incorrectly compared (different tasks). The launch of the S-300 missile will come out more expensive than the launch from the Iron Dome system, and the Israeli infrastructure will not be safe from such attacks.
      2. tomket
        tomket April 9 2013 13: 09 New
        0
        well you settled down))))) why didn’t you order an aircraft carrier for free?))))
      3. smirnov
        smirnov April 9 2013 14: 12 New
        0
        Well, it could be easier to do? Leave Palestine alone, leave the occupied lands and will not need any iron dome? After all, it’s not just that they bullet you, but for something?
        1. Professor
          April 9 2013 14: 22 New
          0
          Leave Palestine alone, leave the occupied lands and will not need any iron dome?

          "Where do you order the poor Jew to go?" Let me go back to Zhmerinka? wink

          After all, it’s not just that they bullet you, but for something?

          Bogdan Khmelnitsky in September 1650 for what he cut? In Hebron, a pogrom in 1929 was organized for what? Really there was already an "occupation". Etc.
          1. tomket
            tomket April 9 2013 21: 36 New
            0
            time goes on and they both didn’t like you and don’t like you, don’t you discover the secret why?)
            1. Pimply
              Pimply April 10 2013 08: 05 New
              +1
              Do you need a reasonable reason for dislike? Yes, not really, just many are pleased to hate someone, thereby justifying their inferiority
              1. tomket
                tomket April 10 2013 13: 00 New
                0
                Well, for example, Bogdan Khmel did not hate yakuts.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply April 10 2013 14: 16 New
                  0
                  Did he know them?
            2. Professor
              April 10 2013 08: 08 New
              +1
              Do you want to discuss whom and where you no longer love? The account may not be in your favor. wink
              1. tomket
                tomket April 10 2013 13: 02 New
                0
                Why not debate on this topic?
                1. Professor
                  April 10 2013 13: 25 New
                  0
                  1. Offtopic.
                  2. Not productive and comes down to the banal "the fool himself"
                  1. tomket
                    tomket April 10 2013 13: 56 New
                    0
                    I agree with your opinion
            3. Mironk
              Mironk April 12 2013 00: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: tomket
              time goes on and they both didn’t like you and don’t like you, don’t you discover the secret why?)

              Envy! It’s easier after all to groan a successful neighbor than to try to create something worthwhile.
        2. ZhuDkiyDrugg
          ZhuDkiyDrugg 4 May 2013 08: 33 New
          0
          Quote: smirnov
          Well, it could be easier to do? Leave Palestine alone, leave the occupied lands and will not need any iron dome? After all, it’s not just that they bullet you, but for something?

          If they leave the occupied lands, they will again have to stagger around the world repeat
  • UzRus
    UzRus April 9 2013 10: 26 New
    +1
    Cho didn’t see the bad news in the text.
    1. Mironk
      Mironk April 9 2013 20: 46 New
      0
      Quote: UzRus
      Cho didn’t see the bad news in the text.

      Did you want to see? Only honestly ...
      1. tomket
        tomket April 9 2013 21: 34 New
        0
        to be honest in the situation around this complex, only its loud name attracts, and so on the drum, how many firecrackers he shot down there and how much he costs a simple American taxpayer. By the way, can amers sponsor the installation of air defense in my garden, what would the crows not fly?))))))
        1. Mironk
          Mironk April 12 2013 00: 05 New
          0
          Quote: tomket
          amers can sponsor the installation of air defense in my garden, what would the crows not fly?))))))

          No, the citizen is good, the crow is a clever bird, knows where to fly and with whom --- to the Bosko, so let him live!
  • Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 9 2013 10: 30 New
    +6
    No "domes" and high walls will help Israel led by Jewish nationalists until a just peace is concluded with Palestine, putting an end to many years of occupation. The Jews turned the Gaza Strip into a "Palestinian" ghetto.
    1. Professor
      April 9 2013 10: 39 New
      +3
      I was already crying. crying A strange ghetto with a border of 12 km with friendly Arab Egypt that Israel does not control and does not even try to control.
  • Canep
    Canep April 9 2013 10: 33 New
    +1
    As far as I know, no one has analogues of this system. And as for efficiency, the system is not bad. Regarding the economy, it is necessary to compare not the cost of the Grad rocket, but the damage that it will cause when it reaches the target. It’s interesting how the Iron Dome will behave if the Arabs launch more than one rocket at a time in one gulp at the BM-21 missile division. Provided that the aircraft did not destroy the installation at their location.
    1. Professor
      April 9 2013 10: 41 New
      +3
      14 missiles launched at the same time one LCD battery shot down (see video at the end of the article), while no one else launched.
    2. carver
      carver April 9 2013 17: 06 New
      -3
      There are systems more universal and not inferior in these parameters.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply April 10 2013 08: 06 New
        0
        Name plz
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M April 9 2013 11: 13 New
    +1
    Stupidly the money was laundered and the politicians were promoted. And the people side. With the finances of Israel, they could long have resolved all issues with Palistina peacefully. Current who needs it? As long as there is war there is feeding.
    1. Professor
      April 9 2013 11: 40 New
      +4
      And the people side.

      Mil man, what are you talking about? What kind of people is this side when these people are really fired? You take a look at the video clip in the article which a citizen was shooting from his balcony above his head. Him too by the side where will the rockets land?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 9 2013 13: 10 New
        -4
        Yeah, but when the last pants are removed on these missiles, then it doesn't matter. Because it makes no difference what to die of, from hunger or from a rocket. The rocket is even somehow less painful, and there is a chance to survive.
  • Tartary
    Tartary April 9 2013 12: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    For missiles with a long range, another Magic Wand system is created.

    The name smiled ...
    I sometimes glance at "mine" and think: - Oh, you are my magic wand ... lol
    As her friend calls her, I won’t say that it’s worthless to tell a man about his secret relationship, but I assure you that this is also an interesting name ... repeat

    But seriously, I told my sidekick “Ise” when I came with intelligence in the summer: - stay Igor! What do you need to do there for an orphan - they shoot ...
    But he did dozens until October, then he couldn’t do it anymore ... He says: - I got used to it, it’s cold here ... I’ll go to my small Motherland, let them shoot better than bang their teeth from the cold ...
    Wimp! Nothing at all - about zero ... well, a little less ...
    That's how ... Looks like Russian winter is just for them - k.oz.l ...
    1. Professor
      April 9 2013 13: 41 New
      +2
      The name smiled ...

      And how do you like military equipment called Pinocchio? wink
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 9 2013 15: 54 New
        0
        The technique is normal and the name is at the level, not "Papa Carlo" or "Dureman"
  • svp67
    svp67 April 9 2013 14: 14 New
    +1
    The USSR did not fall apart, the army would already have a similar system. After all, everyone understands that the future lies with such weapons.
  • PACIFIST
    PACIFIST April 9 2013 14: 27 New
    +2
    The main thing is that the iron dome saves human lives, of course you can immediately salvo 1000 missiles here any system can not cope
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 9 2013 14: 32 New
    +1
    They wouldn’t have stirred up water in the world, wouldn’t have been plotting other nations, maybe the dome would not have been needed. And so they themselves in panryaga and others are not sugar.
    1. Professor
      April 9 2013 14: 41 New
      +4
      1. The ancient Tajiks did not suspect the existence of Jews, and therefore all the troubles that happened to them were attributed to the dark forces of nature.
      2. Why then to other countries the army? Do they all intrigue other nations? Here at least take Switzerland. Oh, to what a neutral country, and it’s not a plot for anyone to build, and that one too. The army (and even what) is held, nurtured and well-armed. wink
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 9 2013 15: 37 New
        0
        I don’t know how anyone, but Russia has always needed an army exclusively for defense. Well, and "take guests home." However, it is not for the Jews who are not arrogant of Saxons to understand this.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 10 2013 08: 07 New
          0
          Precisely, Afghanistan was, for example, exclusively for defense 8)
  • yanus
    yanus April 9 2013 15: 49 New
    +2
    Manufacturers of "Domes" work by pattern. SchA offended publicity declares - but what about us? recourse
    Politicians will immediately start up - for us, the lives of citizens are more important than money! angry
    Immediately zakrmitsya half a billion.
    As a result: the manufacturer with orders and, accordingly, with attendants, the military and politicians are also with a percent, and the public will continue to train to run to bomb shelters.

    In general, a strange decision - to deposit. It could have been left in positions by turning off the start mode, leaving the radar on. He doesn’t eat $ 40K of greens per hour. At a minimum, the operators are constantly trained, or rather, determine the launch sites for missiles for retaliation. Although HZ, the master is a master.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 9 2013 16: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: yanus
      In general, a strange decision - to deposit. It could have been left in positions by turning off the start mode, leaving the radar on.


      But why when the time and method of the next massive shelling will be known ahead of time?
      500-1000 bullet firing. - PR action, not a combat operation. There is no war there and no one wants it. But streaming and pulling money out of the "world public" is the task of both parties. Often these parties agree on where, when, and with what consequences to play a paid fight.
      Mossad is not the worst intelligence in the world, to say the least. It will be difficult for me to convince that none of them knew where and by whom 500 rather impressive "pencils" are stored. In addition, systematic launches within a relatively short time require a crowd of people (bring-take, install, set fire to a fuse), and it is difficult for me to attribute Arabs, as well as Jews, to natural silent people.
      Nothing else explains that the missile defense / air defense system does not carry a constant database. Nonsense, right? Or are there other explanations? If we consider the situation abstractly, then NUR launches are tactical stupidity. There are more effective ways. "war" is nothing more than a wiring., the same as the shale gas that has arisen here again, to boil inflated assets. make a gesheft on the stock exchange and go into the shadows. There were several Goals (I mean the Cloud Pillar):
      1) Attraction of financial sponsors by both parties.
      2) Strengthening the positions of ruling politicians before the elections to the Knesset of Israel
      3) Strengthening the position of the Palestinian Authority before voting in the UN on the status of UN observer for Palestine
      4) Distraction of the attention of the international community from the events in Syria, where just a real war is going on.
      Otherwise, how is it to explain again that Israel has been putting up with these shellings for how many years, when it could deal with everyone for a long time? Do external forces interfere? The USSR has been gone for 20 years, so someone is interested in constant tension on Bl. East
      So if you look at who from all this ugliness has and ask a question to whom it is beneficial, many unexplained things become obvious, they are simply skillfully hidden behind a veil of mass lies and propaganda.
      1. tomket
        tomket April 9 2013 18: 10 New
        +1
        Professor nervously smokes))))))
        1. Professor
          April 9 2013 18: 21 New
          -1
          Dear, I don’t react to the king of mine-paste, but I made an exception and checked it specially for you. This time he stole, oh borrowed other people's thoughts here:
          http://videoelektronic.livejournal.com/595739.html
          Mossad is not the worst intelligence in the world, to say the least. It will be difficult for me to convince that none of them knew where and by whom 500 rather impressive "pencils" are stored. In addition, systematic launches within a relatively short time require a crowd of people (bring-take, install, set fire to a fuse), and it is difficult for me to attribute Arabs, as well as Jews, to natural silent people.
          find as they say 2 differences laughing
          Mossad is not the worst intelligence in the world, to say the least. It will be difficult for me to convince that none of them knew where and by whom 500 rather impressive "pencils" are stored. In addition, systematic launches within a relatively short time require a crowd of people (bring-take, install, set fire to a fuse), and it is difficult for me to attribute Arabs, as well as Jews, to natural silent people.

          It’s sad that he doesn’t even know how to steal. How does the political worker know that the Mossad is not operating in Gaza? This territory is the responsibility of another agency - Shin Bet or Shabak, aka the General Security Service.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 9 2013 19: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Dear, I don’t react to the king of mine-paste, but I made an exception and checked it specially for you. This time stole, oh borrowed other people's thoughts here:
            http://videoelektronic.livejournal.com/595739.html


            Well, that’s all right ... since such a reaction ... As required to prove ...
            Semurg was right and agree with him good
  • NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa April 9 2013 17: 13 New
    0
    Hamas feels itself with impunity, they are hardened, what can I say, you won’t take them with simple bombardments, and even then with rare ones.
  • NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa April 9 2013 17: 13 New
    0
    Hamas feels itself with impunity, they are hardened, what can I say, you won’t take them with simple bombardments, and even then with rare ones.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN April 9 2013 19: 58 New
    +1
    A situation like a microscope to hammer nails :)) Although living in Ashkelon near the Arabs, this gives a ray of hope for protection.
  • yanus
    yanus April 9 2013 22: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Semen Albertovich
    No "domes" and high walls will help Israel led by Jewish nationalists until a just peace is concluded with Palestine, putting an end to many years of occupation. The Jews turned the Gaza Strip into a "Palestinian" ghetto.

    May they never make peace. Still, Stalin is a thin troll)))
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 April 10 2013 05: 50 New
    +2
    It is still necessary to distinguish between the performance characteristics and the effectiveness of a specific air defense system and how it is used. There is a thought that the problem raised in the article is somewhat contrived. Israel does not have such a large territory and not so many military bases in order to give the protection of these bases a higher priority for the protection of these bases in the event of air terrorism from their neighbors than the protection of civilians. Undoubtedly, in the case of massive stellar shelling, which usually happens in the event of a serious military conflict, ensuring the security of the groupings of their aircraft, airfields, life support infrastructure, etc., will come first and this is not surprising. In the USSR, the task of protecting civilian populations from raids by IOS never stood in the first or even second place due to its unreality. You can talk about peace and war in the Middle East as well as you like, but it is impossible there by definition, because all those who had a hand in the post-war organization of the Middle East in this world were not interested and will never be interested. It’s very convenient, under the guise of a constantly smoldering conflict between Israel and its neighbors, to carry roasted chestnuts from the coal with the smell of oil and a taste of blood. After all, blood is not for those who carry it. Therefore, all attempts to train Israel or the Palestinians in the absence of the desire for peace are nothing more than a bullshit. Well, dozens of people are dying from one side and the other. So who them, people, ever considered. Well, hundreds of thousands of Jews perished during the 2 World War. So what? Yes, years later, and clenching their teeth, they recognized this fact. But when this massacre took place, everyone pretended that nothing special was happening, although intelligence from all countries had more than information. So I have to express my deep condolences to all who carried and make sacrifices in this bloody "game." Not at that “gaming table” you were
  • Urkodav
    Urkodav April 11 2013 00: 41 New
    -1
    What a large Jewish representation on this site ...
  • psdf
    psdf April 11 2013 15: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Oh, not really yours. Since 1967, it is only declining.

    In 1967, 20 km².
    The population, according to the Central Statistical Office of Israel in January 2013, is 8,0 million people, the territory - 22 072 km².


    And it was somehow like this:
    After the Arab-Israeli war of 1948–1949, in accordance with the terms of the ceasefire between Israel and each of its neighbors (Egypt, Transjordan, Syria and Lebanon), new borders arose that were not officially recognized by any country, but remained until the Arab Israeli (Six Day) War of 1967. Within their borders, the area of ​​Israel was approx. 20,7 thousand square meters km, with a length from north to south of 470 km and a maximum width of 135 km. During the Six Day War, Israel occupied the Sinai Peninsula (61 thousand sq. Km.) And the Gaza Strip (198 sq. Km) near Egypt, the West Bank (378 sq. Km) and East Jerusalem (5879 sq. Km) ) - in Jordan and the Golan Heights (St. 70 sq. Km) - in Syria. As a result, an area of ​​1250 sq. M. km During the Doomsday War (69), the borders on the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights changed again in favor of Israel, but in 859 Israel returned Syria a narrow strip in the Golan Heights with the city of Kuneitra, and Egypt - part of the territory east of the Suez Canal . In accordance with the terms of the 1973 peace treaty, by May 1974, Israel had withdrawn its troops from the Sinai Peninsula. The border between Israel and Egypt was restored. In December 1979, Israel announced the annexation of the Golan Heights (1982 sq. Km.) And East Jerusalem. However, the UN and most countries condemned this move.
    1. Professor
      April 11 2013 15: 58 New
      +2
      I repeat, in the 1967 year, Israel reached its maximum size by occupying the Sinai Peninsula several times larger than the area of ​​Israel itself. Since then, the area of ​​Israel has only been decreasing. Give a card?