On KAMAZ armored car "Shot" will be modernized

Approximate view "Shot-M"

The car "Shot-M" will be the result of a deep modernization of the production car KAMAZ-43269, able to withstand serious mine and ballistic threats.

For example, mine protection, the specific values ​​of which have not yet been established, in our opinion, should not be lower than 6 kg in BB equivalent, and ballistic protection should not be lower than 6 class.

Testing of the “Shot” to determine the level of mine protection was not carried out, because the requirements for mine protection in the TTZ were not made by the customer. The level of a given mine protection vehicle "Shot-M" at this stage of development is verified by calculation methods using a simulation of the impact of an explosion on a mathematical model.

The car is positioned in the segment of armored vehicles of full weight up to 14 tons.

The main differences of the “Shot-M” armored car from the KAMAZ-43269 “Shot”:

1. Car:
- Engine Cummins 300 HP
- Transmission: manual 9S1310
- 43118 and 4350 serial drive axles
- Serial transfer box 65111
- KAMA-1260 425 / 85 R21 tires
- Protection class 6 according to GOST 50963-96

2. Armored Corps:
- new booking scheme
- explosion proof design:
- V-shaped bottom construction,
- protection of the engine pallet and transmission units

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[Russian]

The view is certainly unusual! But, the more armored cars of all kinds will be produced in our country, the higher the competition, and therefore the quality. After all, we can do it ourselves, not buy Italians! Although, I do not argue, the purchase of iveco gave a good impetus in this area, but was it necessary to purchase in such quantity?

[bask]

On KAMAZ armored car "Shot" will be modernized

That KamAZ ,, Shot ,, will be modernized, or rather they will build a new multi-purpose armored car., Great news.
But the phrase,

Shots were not conducted to determine the level of mine protection, since the requirements for mine protection in the TTZ were not made by the customer

Strange, but for which a multi-purpose armored vehicle was then created. For actions in the “hot spots”. It was definitely known that the militants would conduct terrorist activities. (((Assault from ambushes, mining roads, laying and undermining of the AIS)))) Why, when staging the TTZ, this was not taken into account. It’s not clear .. There was already experience of the war in Afghanistan and Chechnya No. 1
It is a question of ,, Shot ,, 4/4, why the topic is closed ,, Shot ,, 6/6
I have a lot of questions, I hope that Shot 2 will correspond to modern threats. And the cost of the product should not exceed 300-500 thousand $$$$$ / B And only from components and armor of domestic production.
KAMAZ-43269 (BMP-97)) KAMAZ ,, SHOT ,, 6/6

[avt]

Quote: bask

That KamAZ ,, Shot ,, will be modernized, or rather they will build a new multi-purpose armored car., Great news.

I do not agree. Initially stupid car, they sucked in the Kazakhs and got back. It’s better to deal with Typhoon and the quality of manufacturing trucks. Here we reach the serial samples to the level of MAZ, then we’ll talk. And it looks more like pegs driving in, to stake out the topic from potential competitors.

[bask]

Quote: avt

I do not agree. Originally a stupid machine, they sucked in the Kazakhs and got back. It’s better to deal with Typhoon and the quality of manufacturing trucks. Here we reach the serial samples to the level of MAZ, then we’ll talk. And it looks more like pegs driving in, to stake out the topic from potential competitors.

With almost everything, agrees. Multipurpose armored car .MRAP ,, JLTV, SHOULD BE ON NODES AND UNITS, SERIAL RELEASED CARGO CARS.
THIS MAINTAINS PRODUCTION, ARMORED WITHOUT WITHOUT REDUCING SECURITY !!!!! The cost of KAMAZ and Ural ,, Typhukna ,, according to various estimates, from 1ml $$$ to 1ml euro. Even in the series the price will not drop dramatically.
Using imported components ::: automatic transmission ... Allison ,, made in the USA, amers can impose an embargo on the sale at any time.
Already developed ,, Ural ,, and KamAZ ,,
The South African division of the company BAE Systems introduced a new armored vehicle Casspir Mk6 based on the same Ural-4320. The idea of ​​using a Russian chassis to an African developer was thrown by the Indian company Mahindra & Mahindra. The actual development of Casspir Mk 6 was carried out by the joint venture Defense Land Systems India (DLSI) Casspir Mk6, created by BAE Systems and Mahindra & Mahindra in India, in 4x4 and 6x6 formulas. At the same time, a Russian-made YaMZ-236NE2 turbo-charged diesel engine with a maximum power of 230 hp is installed on the car. (169 kW), and a manual gearbox YaMZ-236U. This decision was chosen by the developer with the aim of reducing the cost of the Casspir Mk 6 machine, the cost of which is claimed from the mark of 350 thousand dollars. According to the creators, during the tests, the car withstood without detriment to personnel the detonation of a 21-kilogram charge under the wheel and a 14-kilogram charge under the body of the car. We can only rejoice that at least in some area Russian cars are happy to equal and even use them as a basis.
WHAT OUR ENGINEERS AND WORKERS are worse than the South African. It is necessary to build similar MCIs and on our base both the Urals and KamAZ
And most importantly, the cost is from 350,000 $$$$. Cost, which means mass production is guaranteed

[nakaz]

Very cheap analogue, and domestic. Gotta find my niche.

[Nitup]

I don’t know if this applies to this particular machine, but I watched Rogozin’s interview where he said that in Serdyukov’s days the Ministry of Defense in TTZ did not require high mine protection, and then, when, according to this TTZ, the plant made prototypes, the Ministry of Defense said that changed my mind and need mine protection. And here they were ideally suited by the armored car Iveco.

[Mitek]

Well, finally the door was moved) but I didn’t understand the engine ... Is Cummins a type?

[Castor oil]

Quote: Mitek

the engine did not understand ... Cummins is this type?

Was Google completely banned?
http://www.cummins.com/cmi/?region=russian

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Unusual talking? Just don't talk about "has no analogues in the world." About the news, I can only say one thing: less than half a century has passed.

[rolik]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

The view is of course unusual

Why unusual ??? Earlier, the BTR-40 was made, in the 50s, one to one and nothing particularly new in appearance. Mine protection, the engine, the roof in the metal is a new way, but not a breakthrough.
Combat weight - 5,3 tons. Crew - 2 people; landing - 8 people; engine: number of cylinders - 6, displacement - 3485 cm, power - 78 liters. with. at 3400 rpm; length - 5000 mm; width - 1900 mm; height - 1830 mm; ground clearance - 270 mm; Reservation: 6-15 mm. Armament - 7,62-mm machine gun SGMB model 1949. speed - 80 km / h.

[rolik]

here is another picture of the BTR-40, a saved copy. Make a metal roof, slightly change the "muzzle", put a solid front. So you get an updated shot))))))

[Reindeer herder]

On BTR 152 is more similar, only with a roof

[de_monSher]

None where you found the unusual, but so - one on one, the good old BTR 40.

[Tartary]

Why Cummins 300 hp engine?
Maybe the licensed line for the production of these, in general, good dvigun already fry?
What is Kamazovsky bad? Or is it a YaMZ-236, or 238?

[Rustiger]

Somewhere there was infa that the Belarusians offered their modernized "tractor" diesel engines with turbocharging, which are more powerful, easier to repair and CHEAPER than foreign units. Then the capabilities of the armored car increased many times as well as the tractor for art. guns, non-self-propelled chassis for a multifunctional trailer (ammunition, command / radar station, evacuation of the wounded).
And the frame looks like a GAZ-66. And not a word about the alleged weapons in the article. You could have written. TS "feel the moment".
I hope that everything will appear. It would be started. . .

[Fox]

Quote: Tartary

Why Cummins 300 hp engine

it seems like KAMAZ did them under a license. a good motor. simpler than a native KAMAZ engine.

[Reindeer herder]

Kamazovsky is less reliable and gluttonous. 236 reliable, economical, but rather weak. 238 is reliable, power is normal but fails to comply with euronorms (a joke in which only a fraction of the joke)

[Castor oil]

Few armored vehicles do not exist, i.e. the more the better, good deed.
But the foglights under the bumper are cool, and that on the original version, that on the modernized one, you can see from the asphalt of the factory ... Calculation for a bag of spare headlights in the kit, or "ah, garbage, the troops will alter, rearrange themselves .." ?? And to be honest, the bumper on such cars should be power-based - how to demolish fences and fences?
In general, dear designers - think and test, then think and rebuild again

[Ragnarek]

and where is it used? who has ever seen.

[Mitek]

Abkhazia, Ossetia. in fact, they did not do a lot of Pts. Here's the second one, it seems more pleasant, getting into the car and leaving it became easier (I judge purely from the photo). Gos will show the rest.

[Rustiger]

Automotive equipment on the KAMAZ chassis is the largest group in the fleet of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with the corresponding performance characteristics - about 50 thousand units. KAMAZ automobiles surpass domestic and foreign counterparts in their performance characteristics. More than 350 models of weapons and military equipment are mounted on the KAMAZ chassis. KAMAZ trucks form the basis of vehicles of subdivisions and parts of material and technical support.

Every week, there is news about the mass transition of "civilian" enterprises to manufacture products for the military-industrial complex. Here and Zelenodolsk, Samara, Nizhny Novgorod shipyards, and Novosibirsk, St. Petersburg (former LOMO) PZ, focused on military optics; KAMAZ and UAZ. ... ... The list is very long.
Oh, it's not good, guys. The air no longer just "smells", but already "carries the burning of war." I would be in time. ... ... Really at the top they drew conclusions about the events of the first months of the Second World War. It would be nice if so. Every month now reduces the possible (inevitable) losses in the future.
God grant. . .

[Vodrak]

We must make new equipment, drive it into Syria, gain experience in its combat use, analyze .....
When will we begin to apply the experience of our enemies? They are also far from fools ...

[Horde]

This KamAZ has been upgraded for a long time since 2011, news with a BEARD.

[kosmos44]

Quote: Horde

This KAMAZ has been modernized for a long time since 2011

In vain they certainly "modernized" the glass.

[bask]

Quote: Horde

modernized this KAMAZ in 2011, news from BOROD

Hi Horde. More precisely in 2010.
Even the modernized one was left without mine protection. That is, useless in hot spots, where the main tactics of IED militants up to 10 kg in t / 'e
. attack from ambushes and shelling from monoblock RPGs.-7
Cumulative screens. for KamAZ ,, Shot ,, is provided?
These are the main threats to multi-purpose vehicles.

BTR-80, equipped with anti-cumulative RE The presented version of the RE, in contrast to the similar screens used on tanks, made it possible to virtually eliminate breaches in the main armor of the hull when the explosive action of an anti-tank grenade explosion is high. The indicated effect is achieved, first of all, by installing damping screens. The use of electronic weapons on the BTR-80 allowed to reduce the likelihood of regular operation of the grenade (failure rate is 0,5), and consequently penetration of the armor. The use of radiation on armored personnel carriers has significantly improved bulletproof resistance. Damping screens made of steel (ST-44), machined for high hardness, provided protection for the upper side of the bead from B-32 bullets of 12,7 caliber with a range of 325 m (without the DCPP screens it is 1500 m). Installation scheme of combined lattice screens (on the right, the screens are in the raised position) The installation time of the RE using a standard spare part was 7 hours, and the labor intensity was 21 people-hours. The total duration of the equipment with fastening and mounting elements of the RE on the BTR-80 was 11 hours, and the total laboriousness of the work performed was 29 person-hours. Installation of electronic equipment led to a slight increase in dimensions in width (about 300 mm on each side) and the weight of the machine by 1000 kg. MAIN TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS The area of ​​protected projections: body: forehead - 90%, side - 80% of the feed - 90%, tower: forehead - 60%, side - 80% of the feed -100%. Kit weight -1000 kg. Protection against RPG grenades of the PG-9C type at any course angles of fire with a probability of at least 0,5. The probability of a break in armor when hit by RPG grenades is not more than 0,2. Increased protection against bullets caliber 7,62 and 12,7 mm.

[Horde]

Hi Basque.
if a modern armored car is BOOKED, it must be armored from all sides, otherwise it has little chance of going into a series. Competitors in bulk TIGER, WOLF, BEAR, SCORPIO, Lynx, in short the whole ZOO even SCORPIO from the bottom were armored and blinded, and does KAMAZ decide to make life easier for itself? it won’t work, such a bronik cannot be considered modern.

[bask]

Quote: Horde

to lighten it won’t work, such a bronik cannot be considered modern

I completely agree with you. It’s a pity that all these armored vehicles
in single copies. To mass production and troops of more than one unit ...

[Horde]

Quote: bask

in single copies. To mass production and troops of more than one unit ...

like about the WOLF AND THE BEAR, it's not so tragic that they write there - "the tests are going on" although how long can you EXPERIENCE? - is that a tank or what? Our TIGER is just a GOREMIKA in any way it will be completed under "6kg of tola under the belly". Apparently all this is NOT SIMPLE, or maybe AT ALL NOT VOZMOZHNO. About the tests of the LYNX in Germany for an explosion of 6 kg under the bottom, I do not believe.

[bask]

Quote: Horde

ro LYSY test in Germany for an explosion of 6kg under the bottom I don’t

I don’t believe either.
Real tests of armored capsules, for installation on KamAZ and the Urals, carried out by Protection Corporation in 2012 ..
KamAZ ,, Highlander ,, tested for undermining 2 kgv t / e

KamAZ ,, Highlander-K ((HOOD))) ,, up to 7 kg in t / e with additional screens

Link. [media = http: //trucks.autoreview.ru/_archive/section/detail.php? ELEMENT_ID = 126775
]

[elmi]

Do not share the link on this topic with RE, very interested.

[bask]

Quote: elmi

I’m very interested in this topic with RE.

Please. [Media = http: //btvt.narod.ru/4/defence.htm] [media = http: //www.avanturis
t.org/forum/topic/1237/offset/8030/]
DIAGRAM OF THE INLET LATTICE ANTI-CUMULATIVE SCREEN.

[elmi]

Thank you. We possess such knowledge but for some reason we do not always use it. As if in Syria, these screens would be useful.

[cth; fyn]

And all these super cool lattices will remain at the first crowded house. In urban environments, it often happens with technology that the question of survival is mobility and shelter.

Look at these tanks, they had to ram or rub against buildings, as a result, all side screens flew off, well, or almost flew away. so that only steel sheets rigidly fixed with armor bolts can more or less reliably protect in urban conditions, but in the field, yes this option is more preferable.

[elmi]

Quote: cth; fyn

Look at these tanks, they had to ram or rub against buildings, as a result, all side screens flew off, well, or almost flew away. so that only steel sheets rigidly fixed with armor bolts can more or less reliably protect in urban conditions, but in the field, yes this option is more preferable.

I agree with you, but for the lack of side sheets, any external protection, even if it is decisive, is better than nothing, of course the tanks are not intended for urban battles. But nevertheless, if one lays down, then any external protection is for the good, historical experience confirms:

And it’s better to create something more powerful because our grandfathers successfully used the ISU-152 tank:

[bask]

Quote: elmi

it’s better to create something more powerful because our grandfathers successfully used the ISU-152 tank:

THOUGHTS RELATED.elmi
I already wrote that a tank-assault gun is simply necessary for fighting in the city. A 152-mm caliber with anti-shell armor and a gun with an angle of elevation, not less than + 60, degrees.
On MBT T-72 +14 degrees. Above the third floor is not fired. ISU -152 just showed themselves during the assault on cities and fortified areas.
All hope for ,, Armata ,,

[elmi]

Quote: elmi

THOUGHTS RELATED.elmi

Probably also fought? noticed who the gunpowder sniffed, they think in the majority the same way.
Let's hope for a fit. It would not hurt to cover LZ, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, we have already covered since 1988: (no picture is inserted), then here is the link: http://vpk.name/news/76982_evolyuciya_dinamicheskoi_zashityi_legkobronirovanyih_
boevyih_mashin.html

[bask]

Quote: elmi

Probably also fought? noticed who the gunpowder sniffed, they think in the majority equally

I did not fight, but I was at war, in Chechnya No. 1. And I sniffed gunpowder and saw enough of our wrecked tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. Now something similar in Syria is happening. ,,, naked, equipment is fighting in the city. ((((Equipment intended))) for a nuclear world war. Protected from hit, weapons, radiation damage, floating. But completely unprotected from high-explosive explosives and HEI explosives. BMPs penetrated by KPV-12,7 mm right through. A MBT are not protected (((bad))) from RPGs and ATGMs.

[elmi]

That's intuition! I guessed the same - were also there, even if they did not fight, but were there! I also plowed the 1-Chechen one and not only saw a lot, but tested myself for penetration: body armor, side armored personnel carriers, etc. There were a lot of wrecked our armored vehicles. From which, too, like you, you are convinced that you need to create heavy, well-protected armored vehicles with good fire support, although the BMP-3 with weapons is all right, only the booking is weak. Of course, the increased weight will affect mobility, you will probably have to sacrifice buoyancy, but the ability to overcome water obstacles is not really needed, security is important. And of course, you need a heavy assault tank for city battles with good armor protection, reinforced DZ and, just in case, a crate with a body kit- (to protect against damage to city buildings) Well, the weapons that you listed didn’t add a laser counter complex, for example, like the Chinese ZM-87, which is installed on tanks of type 99. A very formidable thing: a person looking at any optical device calculates and deprives of sight with a directed laser stream over a distance of 2-3 km. Upon receipt of a signal about the irradiation of the tank with an enemy’s laser beam, the warning system generates a signal to turn the tower towards the detected source, then a low-power laser beam that detects the exact location of the target is turned on, after which the beam power instantly increases to a critical level and disables optical means or the organs of vision of the enemy’s operator. As if such devices would be useful in Syria, they would deprive militants of the opportunity to shoot with impunity sniper rifles and other weapons on optics.

[Armata]

Quote: bask

All hope for ,, Armata ,,

And what does not suit 90MS? Armata still years 7-8 will not be in the finished version. So while steeper than 90 there are no offensive tanks in the world.

[bask]

Quote: Mechanic

And what does not suit 90MS? Armata for another 7-8 years will not be in the finished version. So while 90 is not cooler

Greetings Eugene. You are reset to zero.
The elevation angle of the gun at T-90, + 14 degrees. Above the 3rd floor, it will not reach, the upper hemisphere is poorly protected.

Quote: Mechanic

offensive tanks in the world

I completely agree with the taboo, BEST BUT OFFENSIVE MILITARY. And I need an STORM TANK WEAPON. It is for actions in the city. Where the emphasis will be on circular defense, mine protection. And protection against RPGs and ATGMs, especially those attacking from above. I have already brought this info. But it is very important. I will give it again.
The United States Agency for Defense and Security Cooperation notified Congress on March 26 of a possible foreign military sale to Qatar for 500 Javelin guided missiles and related equipment, parts, training, and logistical support with an estimated cost of $ 122 million. Monday, April 1, 2013
500-ATGM ,, Javelin ,, attacking from above. Not the T-72 of the Syrian army on our T-90SM, are not protected from such threats. Infantry closes the tanks. But the range ,, Javelina 5-class infantry will operate at a distance of 5 cells, from armored vehicles? That's why we need a TANK-STORM ASSEMBLY cal-152 mm, for action in the city.

[Greek]

Hello. Does "Jewelin" have a firing range of 5 km? Everywhere they write that 2 km. !!!

[cth; fyn]

Of course, tanks are not designed for urban battles

The tank is designed for combat anywhere because this is a universal tool, but its effectiveness in a given situation can change dramatically.

[bask]

Quote: cth; fyn

Look at these tanks, they had to ram or rub against buildings, as a result, all side screens flew off, well, or almost flown away

On MBT T-72 M are provided, the installation of dumps to overcome obstacles in the city, rubble, barricades.
Cumulative screens can be not only lattice.
T-62 M, IN AFGHAN, NOTHING DID NOT DECLINE. If you weld well ...

[cth; fyn]

But in the photo they are in the field, and I did not hear anything about the city battles in Afghanistan, except at least from those people whom I know.

[caprall]

It must be undermined several times with mannequins.

[Oleg1986]

It is strange that the engine is from a conditional opponent. However, it is still good that there is a normal domestic alternative.

[awg75]

who knows why on it a bumper ???

[Horde]

Quote: awg75

who knows why on it a bumper ???

the bumper from the word BAM - bang is onomatopoeic, it seems if the engine is in front, then some part of the collision energy with an obstacle of which on the battlefield will be enough this structural element will be able to take upon itself - to dampen. With severe damage, this thing can always be replaced or removed and rifted. In addition, the bumper protects the winch of the machine. In short, PROTECT the machine from the front.

[Cyclone-B]

They didn’t come up with anything new ... this Shot is just a copy of the American reconnaissance armored car that was sent to landlize during the years of the Second World War ... then ours began to sculpt ours. for example, BTR-152 ...

[1c-inform-city]

Correctly new, he only has a price.

[Krapovy32]

Well, what, quite a normal view of him. And with the 6x6 formula, it seems much more interesting.

[caprall]

the alignment of the armored personnel carrier, in my opinion, should be as follows: If the car is damaged or damaged, it must leave the dangerous section under its own power. Those. independent suspension, preferably triaxial. outputs on three sides. The motor at the front, rear or side, it is better if the RPG protection is self-sufficient, but this is a mass.
Remote control combat module, internal ammunition supply.
In principle, all this is possible, but .....

[Rustiger]

Quote: cth; fyn

And all these super cool lattices will remain at the first crowded house. In urban environments, it often happens with technology that the question of survival is mobility and shelter.

As they said in our difficult "boyish" time of the early 90s - "business bazaar". Immediately visible, people. in the topic / respect./. If not help. construct him, then at least it is worth listening to it !!!! "Pluses" is worthy, at least! Where I am wrong - justify, experts. We will listen to you with pleasure !!!

Itself a thousand times passed by the territories of KAMAZ. Pruha in the brain from the fact that rallies win, that they plow the defense industry, that jobs increase, etc., etc. But. . .
Salaries in the region of 25000 rubles. at the turner 6-5 times. (2-3 children. 25-30 years of experience) and "taught" cute forgiveness (18-25 years old, with an elastic ass, and the ability to juggle "fuck the head of administration".

The trouble is not in salaries, not in financing, not in PEOPLE - WESTERS ARE TAKEN OUT OF THE ORGANISM.
Well allow, Landan so handy, it is necessary to finish. . .

"The Englishwoman - SHITS!"
/ Catherine II - Empress of Russia (Duchess Frederick (Fike) of Dormstadt). . .

[Garrin]

Quote: Rustiger

Salaries in the region of 25000 rubles. at the turner 6-5 times. (2-3 children. 25-30 years of experience) and "taught" cute forgiveness (18-25 years old, with an elastic ass, and the ability to juggle "fuck the head of administration".

That’s for sure - trouble. And not only at KamAZ.

[as3wresdf]

The base of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of all citizens of the Russian Federation on this site twitlink.ws/baza and the main thing was done as if to search for lost relatives, but here is all the information about each of us: correspondence with friends, addresses, phones, place of work, and the worst thing is even mine nudity photo (though I do not know from where ...). In general, I was very scared - but there is such a function as "hide data" of course I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate, you never know

[Garrin]

By the way. Recently I watched a replay of "Truckers", there in general through the entire film, advertising of KamAZ products is a refrain. So in a couple of episodes, a KAMAZ-43269 glimpses, at first I didn't even understand what kind of armored car, now, after reading the article, I was convinced that it was.