Eurasian political science: why Uzbekistan is not integrating into the Union and is doomed to an explosion

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Eurasian political science: why Uzbekistan is not integrating into the Union and is doomed to an explosionThe Central Asian part of Eurasia is divided into two groups of states: those about which we know little, because we are little interested, and those about which we know little, because the local authorities are clearly not interested in unnecessary viewers and listeners. The latter, of course, are Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. And if the territory seems to be able to maintain autarkic stability on the Ashgabat territory, then the closeness of Uzbekistan can play a cruel joke on 30 by millions of citizens after the death or resignation of Islam Karimov.

As it was possible to establish in the first part of the article, a society built in Uzbekistan is a powder keg, which sooner or later will explode. Moreover, we observed the first explosions since the inception of Independent Uzbekistan. If someone forgot, the first massacre in the USSR was in the Fergana Valley in 1989 year. And then, on the gasp of the union, the Uzbeks slaughtered the Turks. That is, the matter is not in relation to the “Russian invaders” - the Turks slaughtered their own kind.

I will not list the conflicts around the Fergana Valley - if anyone is interested, you can refresh the memory of the Andijan events-2005 and other ethnonational conflicts in Central Asia.

But each of these events is only an illustration of the explosiveness of Uzbekistan and its neighboring countries, and not the cause. The reasons lie in the very foundation of the state of “Independent Uzbekistan”.

Integration doom

Uzbekistan is doomed to an explosion not so much by national and military, as by the political laws of Eurasia. But they can only be understood in the logic of Eurasian integration - when you consider the post-Soviet countries not as states in the classical sense. The post-Soviet countries are various-sized state entities based on fragments of a degraded single state. And each degrading national fragment was given a territory with infrastructure, broken production circuits and mineral resources. But, in addition to the economic bonuses, the national elites, who still cannot master the remnants of the single economy, also inherited the population. Which at the very least you have to feed and feed.

Someone uses mineral resources and supports the police apparatus, someone modernizes the army; someone saved the real economy and conquered new markets along the lines of Venezuela; somewhere they are trying to build a "family state". Each national elite was looking for their own recipe. But if we talk about the essence of the twentieth anniversary of 1991-2011, then the preservation of a capable state was a central indicator of the success of a national fragment. Able to provide not only reproduction, but also development. Somewhere coped with this better, as in Belarus, somewhere very bad, as in Georgia and Tajikistan, somewhere very strange, as in Turkmenistan and Moldova.

All very differently, but the Eurasian states at this point differ only in the level of state capacity. And only those republics where the state in its true sense is preserved are capable of integration. For it is impossible to integrate, for example, Ukraine into the Customs Union until the political crisis stops there. And the national elites seem to draw inspiration and property from the crisis. Consequently, the integration of Ukraine into the Union is possible only when the crisis enters the peak phase, as a result of which Ukraine will move from the category of “undersubjects” into a pure object of integration. It's not about love or dislike for Square. The point is in the objective political laws of Eurasia and the quality of the national elite.

According to the same objective laws, today Uzbekistan is the most non-integrated state. Which is a priori simply incapable of integrating into either the Customs Union or the Eurasian. For example, in Uzbekistan, exit visas are preserved, and the Customs Union is primarily a free movement of goods, people and capital as a basic level of integration. How can I take Uzbekistan to the CU? The answer is obvious. If you wish, you can find hundreds of evidence of the non-integrability of Uzbekistan, but they will all be rooted in some signs of degradation.

Therefore, Uzbekistan is not integrable. At this historical moment.

Chaos import

Interestingly, for all 20 years of national development, Uzbekistan has implemented a single integration project. This project was the establishment of a rail link with Afghanistan. In fact, we are dealing with a unique case in which a more capable state voluntarily integrates with the point of chaos and disorganization. While the rest of the neighbors close the border with Afghanistan as much as possible until at least some semblance of the state is established there - in Tashkent they decide to actually integrate Afghanistan into themselves. Because after the withdrawal of US troops and allies from the region, natural chaos will be imported into the territory of Uzbekistan. And if the Soviet Union managed to shift the export of chaos towards Pakistan, then over the 20 years the situation has changed dramatically. Now, the export of chaos will begin in the direction of Tashkent, Samarkand and Bukhara. Moreover, the transport infrastructure is ready.

Therefore, the salvation of Uzbekistan lies beyond its borders. If, after the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan, no one will control its territory, Uzbekistan will inevitably begin to integrate the chaos in the form of Islamists, the expansion of drug trafficking, and so on.

The only chance to save Uzbekistan is to control the border areas of Afghanistan. And the current allies of Tashkent, the United States, are just leaving the region, arming the Uzbek army and obviously leaving weapons in the region, as they have always done. That is, prepare all the conditions for the export of chaos. On top of that, Uzbekistan has somehow left the CSTO and lost its only allies, who would also be interested in controlling the north of Afghanistan.

Therefore, the moment of truth for Uzbekistan will be the 2014-2015 years, when the withdrawal of troops will begin. And it was in 2015 that the Eurasian Union should be created, which from the very first days of its existence will begin to border on the agonizing 30-million national state, actively importing chaos. Consequently, from the very first days of the new Union will face such tests, which up to this did not face either the Russian Federation, or the Republic of Belarus, or the Republic of Kazakhstan.
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  1. +17
    April 6 2013 10: 56
    Therefore, the moment of truth for Uzbekistan will be the 2014-2015 years, when the withdrawal of troops will begin. And it was in the 2015 year that the Eurasian Union should be created, which from the very first days of its existence will begin to border the agonizing 30-millionth nation-state, which is actively importing chaos.

    When an epidemic happens somewhere, what do they do?
    That's right - establish a sanitary cordon !!!
    1. +13
      April 6 2013 22: 05
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      When an epidemic happens somewhere, what do they do? Correctly, they establish a sanitary cordon !!!


      Absolutely correct. hi
      Do you think Kazakhstan has no concern that in the long term neighbors may blaze so that little will not seem to anyone? First of all, problems with refugees and other related headaches will be with us!
      After all, not just neighbors, this is one of the closest for the Kazakhs, along with the Kyrgyz people! Brothers are ours!
      There Kazakhs and Uzbeks, copied from the Kazakhs, there are, according to the most cautious estimates, about one and a half million people!
      About half a million Uzbek Kazakhs (465 thousand - data for 2011) left Uzbekistan, the vast majority moved to Kazakhstan.
      We delimited the border with the Uzbeks (bad, good - another question).
      To integrate, not to integrate into the EurAsEC, all these dilemmas are theoretically good.
      In practice, either the Kazakh-Uzbek border to the castle and Karatsupy with dogs every 50 meters, or together with Russia and Belarus to pursue a coordinated policy to return Uzbekistan to the mainstream of integration, using all methods.
      And do not be shy - ALL methods!
      In the end, Karimov is not forever - working ahead of the curve, lobbying pro-Russian elite circles - but they are there!
      1. Ali Baba
        -3
        April 7 2013 13: 37
        Quote: hommer
        In the end, Karimov is not forever - working ahead of the curve, lobbying pro-Russian elite circles - but they are there!

        It is unlikely;) With those who are highly accustomed to communicate with us, and who even more so does not wake up a dialogue ... I generally dry up with laughter when I read the comments: yes, where are you without us, Wed Asia, you are all ... freeloaders drive you all ... the Caucasus, some thieves and wild ones ... Listen, if you want integration, what do you think? I call everyone I want to integrate with so much? One you are good fluffy but you do not like ah ah ah ...
        1. +2
          April 7 2013 16: 28
          Quote: Ali Baba
          do you want integration

          Friend, well, let's argue already logically, who needs someone!
          What did Russia lose with the departure of Uzbekistan? Cinema?!
          -I assure you, Russia only won with your departure and we do not have to "stimulate" you to be loyal to us ... but do you know how it is offensive, you help, you help, and then they tell you that Allah gave it!
  2. avt
    +8
    April 6 2013 16: 05
    “And the national elites, it seems, draw inspiration and property from the crisis.” ------- Absolutely right! And with regard to ALL national elites, without exception. good “Uzbekistan will inevitably begin to integrate chaos in the form of Islamists, the expansion of drug trafficking” ------- Simply, “Islamization” will take an uncontrolled and geometrically progressing character, similar to Afghan, we will get everything that is now in Afghanistan on the border of Kazakhstan. Well, since Uzbekistan is not Kyrgyzstan in terms of size and population, accordingly, there will be an order of magnitude more headaches. Therefore, the salvation of Uzbekistan lies outside its borders. "------- Not a fact. The experience of Turkmenistan shows that with the consolidation of the national elites around centralized power can provide a stable version of controlled development of events, not chaotic. ”Silenus was a Turkmenbashi with his Rukhnama. laughing Not in vain did he study at the higher party school. Yes, and Lukashenko saw it, he realized once he published it at home. laughing
  3. Krasnoyarsk
    +1
    April 6 2013 16: 05
    Dependents surrendered to us, let them boil in their independence.
    1. Ali Baba
      -4
      April 7 2013 13: 38
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      Dependents surrendered to us, let them boil in their independence.

      Don’t stick your nose with your integration where you don’t need to ...
  4. +1
    April 6 2013 16: 11
    That's what we need them for? What is the use of them?
    1. djon3volta
      0
      April 6 2013 17: 26
      Quote: Speckled32
      That's what we need them for?

      moreover, they do not border with us. why does Kazakhstan not care, because they border with them?
    2. SHARK
      +3
      April 6 2013 21: 03
      The point is not whether the control of the territory is necessary or not necessary, because there is no control, there is no order, and they themselves cannot provide order or do not want to.
    3. +4
      April 6 2013 22: 16
      Russia needs all of Central Asia.
    4. +1
      April 7 2013 10: 15
      Do not forget about the uranium plant in Navoi
    5. +2
      April 7 2013 13: 47
      Good-stupid-naive question. It would sound normal if the presenter is used to looking at compatriots through the sight ...
      One of the main problems is that in the territory of Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan, and the rest of the post. the Soviet republics there are quite a lot of people who in Central Asia were united into a separate nationality - the Russian-speaking population. Many left, but for a number of reasons, too, many remained. And in the case of a more or less large mess, most of them will run in our direction, and you don’t need to talk about the borders (read at hommer), if a million and a half Kazakhs walk along the border, and behind them several million more Russians, Tatars , Koreans, Ukrainians and other Russian-speaking people, and those who came to work or those who became Russians, but who have a lot of relatives there, will be pulled back to their families, neither the Russian, Kazakh or Uzbek army and the border service will stop them. It can be delayed, for example, by hurricanes and tornadoes over squares ...
      If you want to get benefits from poor people, I can advise you to get a job at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in the late 90s and early 2000s in Tashkent Russian citizenship cost 400 greenbacks, I myself saw how easily it was received by Caucasians and Uzbeks from the parallel line out of turn. And many friends stood up in the official line, which was then slightly smaller than in the mausoleum in the years of stagnation, but moved 150 times slower, and when they found out that in order to obtain citizenship they had to defend it several more times, they simply spat on this venture, just because going through this circle several times, you need super-strong health and physically impossible for most women and the elderly.
      There is also a cleaner option: interest the press, television, conduct a journalistic investigation, and you will be famous, loot (and benefit). If you don’t bang, because the money there probably revolves a lot.
  5. avt
    +3
    April 6 2013 16: 13
    Quote: Speckled32
    That's what we need them for? What is the use of them?

    It’s not even a matter of benefit; troubles would not have caught up.
  6. -2
    April 6 2013 16: 29
    The article is ignorant nonsense.
    The author is not even familiar with the basics of social science, not to mention the situation in Uzbekistan.
    1. Ali Baba
      0
      April 7 2013 13: 18
      Quote: Odyssey
      The article is ignorant nonsense.
      The author is not even familiar with the basics of social science, not to mention the situation in Uzbekistan.

      I respect competent koment :) An example of the author’s ignorance is the indication of exit visas :) comrade, but in Russia these visas are replaced by a passport :) which is not in Uz :) Full article, especially the pearl of integration with Afghanistan :)
      1. 0
        April 7 2013 20: 36
        Quote: Ali Baba
        I respect competent koment :) An example of the author’s ignorance is the indication of exit visas :) comrade, but in Russia these visas are replaced by a passport :) which is not in Uz :) Full article, especially the pearl of integration with Afghanistan :)

        There are a lot of pearls there. Starting from the mythical "political laws of Eurasia" (it seems that the author skipped lectures on social studies in addition and not engaged in self-education), ending with a few facts. There are visas, and "integration of Afghanistan", and "drug trafficking" (although To our shame, the "democratic" RF is itself the largest drug trafficking channel safely passing through Tajikistan) and so on.
        But I would not react so sharply to this article, if it were not for the obvious harm that such "revelations" inflict on Russia.
        There is nothing more harmful than an attempt to insult or quarrel among the former fraternal republics of the USSR.
  7. +3
    April 6 2013 16: 34
    In the current conditions, Uzbekistan should play the role of a sanitary cordon on the path of drug trafficking and Islamic terrorism. He must, but the national elite has little interest in this, since this is precisely what allows her to live happily ever after. It is no secret that everything is tied up there, and the corruption is such that we never dreamed of. Although I had to visit Uzbekistan before and I can say that the simple people there are not malicious, not aggressive. The immediate goal for the future union is to prevent an explosion in Uzbekistan, leave it in the orbit of our influence, make it a buffer between the union and Afghanistan!
  8. +7
    April 6 2013 16: 46
    here honest word is tired already. Well, how much longer should Russia take care and solve the problems of Central Asian states. Yes, let them finally deal with their problems themselves, the iron curtain to the border and let the natives do what they want and do
    1. not good
      +7
      April 6 2013 17: 36
      Exorbitant ambitions of the government of Uzbekistan are surprising. Well, if they were rich and healthy, because there’s a mess in the country, and they imagined themselves to be great politicians, not realizing that even a simple introduction of a visa regime by Russia would drastically worsen the stability of the regime. It’s not clear what Medvedev is waiting for or if he’s happy with the overrun do not put?
    2. +5
      April 6 2013 22: 41
      And Russia is taking care of what, or whom, in Uzbekistan. even the vaunted program to promote the resettlement of compatriots does not really work a damn thing. If Russia wanted to, it would have a very firm position in Uzbekistan.
  9. +6
    April 6 2013 17: 32
    A deeply traditional, feudal-medieval society ... The Russians, having brought medicine, education, production and other benefits of European civilization to Central Asia, could not change the local way of life! Remember the movie "One of our among strangers, a stranger among our own"? "What will you do if you have money? - I'll become a bai! .." And that's all. The question is in terminology - the president, the secretary general, the prime minister, the director, the policeman - it doesn't matter, they are all just BYE! And since the time of the Spartan king Leonidas it is known - kill Xerxes ("the supreme bai" or shah, sultan, etc.) and the eastern horde will crumble!
    1. Marek Rozny
      +3
      April 15 2013 14: 42
      not that Armenia is a modern, post-industrial state ... yes? pot calls the kettle black...
  10. WWW.budanov
    -1
    April 6 2013 17: 34
    According to the saying: "... the iron curtain on the border and let ..." I would like to recall the situation in North Korea ... (!). Yes, and in our Union, the doors were also "closed".
  11. +5
    April 6 2013 18: 18
    In fact, Uzbekistan is a strange place. Famous carbonated drinks have their own taste there, "unique". They buy cheap vodka with a beautiful label for the gifts. Free labor in cotton plants.
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    1. +1
      April 6 2013 19: 12
      Quote from rudolf
      Russia got nothing but a big "hole" in its territory

      You just think in a standard way, this is an open gate policy so that you can always return under a convenient pretext.
    2. Hius-124
      +6
      April 6 2013 20: 36
      Quote from rudolf
      strengthen the Kazakh borders!

      I agree 100%. In general, it seems that such a tangle of contradictions and interests of various groups and trends has gathered in the Central Asian cauldron that it is better to "smoke on the sidelines" than to rake out eastern tricks - they will again be declared invaders and in everything to blame. And the borders are so that they do not run to us auls with their nasvay, when there is a blaze. hi
  13. sashka
    -7
    April 6 2013 19: 09
    Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Belarus, etc. Just cannot be "integrated" anywhere .. They are really "Independent". The question from whom? Why and why "Maybe" Batkina's "firmness, or Unlimited" trust in Karimov ... But They "rule" correctly .. Not something that "OUR" double-headed .. By the way, if possible .. Draw the Emblem of Russia. With two heads .. Even a boy will say who is who.))) Thieves, however .. Judging by the "news" .. Russia got it with its deposits .. Maybe it would be better to boast of MACHINE BUILDING AND PRODUCTION .. And not waving a cannon stick? Paradox.What - Russia would become self-sufficient. What do you need ..? Disarm and Arm at a new level .. And what for 20 years lacked the mind. ? Well, or not enough ..? Saddened ..
    1. +3
      April 6 2013 20: 57
      Rave. This is already nagging in the liver. Syndrome of a young pensioner.
  14. spanchbob
    +3
    April 6 2013 19: 43
    Actually, it is precisely the Russian-speaking population of Uzbekistan that Karimov is supporting - for some reason ??? And after the Andijan events of 2005, only Putin and China supported Karimov ???
  15. +6
    April 6 2013 19: 51
    Uzbekistan is not a poor country, 5 place in the world in gold and uranium mining, cotton is grown, there is gas, fruit and vegetable products.
    But Karimov is clearly pursuing a Russophobic policy, such as Saakashvili.
    In vain, the Russian leadership supported Karimov, apparently hoping for something, but miscalculated.
    If they had closed the border for the Uzbeks, Karimov would have long been dared.
    There are many people who are for expanding ties with Russia. But the previous alliance with Uzbekistan is not necessary.
    We need practical and reasonable egoism in favor of Russia.
    We integrate Uzbekistan without Karimov, as he was Khan and Basmach, he remained so.
  16. sashka
    +1
    April 6 2013 19: 55
    I know. himself from there .. The question is either .. or. Karimov plays great .. Honor and him and praise .. He cares about "HIS" State .. Lukashenko is the same. And with "whom" does "Pu and his team" play? The question is rhetorical .. Does not require an answer .. esaul You have nothing to do with it)))) By the way, where is the three-volt one?
    1. Ali Baba
      0
      April 7 2013 13: 22
      Quote: Sasha
      Karimov plays great .. Honor and praise to him .. He cares about "OWN" State ..

      It is nice to know and read the comments of a person with an unshared worldview ....
  17. +11
    April 6 2013 21: 13
    What is Uzbekistan today? The Russians did not allow him to become a second Afghanistan, but everything goes to the fact that now the Uzbeks themselves will return to primitive times. They have already returned to feudalism. The matter is left to the small.

    "When we have accumulated the required amount of CC, we will buy yellow pants and we will not give a damn about everyone's back."
    The blue dream of going to work in Russia, and not the common myth of poverty, unemployment and hunger.
    1. +10
      April 6 2013 23: 07
      This is not the dream of a traveler to work, dear Ascetic. I am one of the "come in large numbers". I think it's not a secret for anyone that obtaining Russian citizenship is not a very simple thing. I was born and raised in the Empire. What's next? Stay there and watch your kids' future turn into dumb survival? For me, I want so much that at least with bayonets, but the influence of Russia in the region returned. But this is from the realm of fantasy. I wish no one harm in any form. But what's next?
      1. +4
        April 7 2013 02: 59
        Quote: mark021105
        For me, I want so much that, even with bayonets, Russia's influence in the region will return.

        The desire is quite understandable But what kind of blood again for someone else's idiocy?
        1. 0
          April 7 2013 09: 20
          Quote: Ruslan67
          But what kind of blood do we need again for someone else's idiocy?

          And we don't need it. If they want "come in large numbers"
          Quote: mark021105
          so that even with bayonets, the influence of Russia in the region will return.
          so forward - we will provide with bayonets and drums.
  18. +3
    April 6 2013 21: 19
    Sooner or later, all Asian countries will be involved in armed conflicts.
    1. Hius-124
      +3
      April 6 2013 21: 58
      Quote: Lecha57
      Sooner or later, all Asian countries will be involved in armed conflicts.

      Yes, the legacy of the USSR has not yet been divided between the "heavyweights", therefore, all attention is paid to the PV and the FMS of Kazakhstan and Russia. hi
  19. +8
    April 6 2013 22: 09
    Already tired of all these analysts, historians, memoirists, retirees and schoolchildren who constantly pull some nation by the balls, with a sense of great responsibility and care. In the wrong hands, the "object" is always thicker!
    The result is known in advance - for the most part there is a process of not deliberate and adequate discussion, but incitement of passions among the forum participants, squabble, mutual reproaches and insults.
    All this resembles fun from childhood, by adding yeast to the neighbor’s toilet.

    Cuiprodest? Cui bono
    1. +6
      April 6 2013 22: 35
      Quote: VadimSt
      Cuiprodest? Cui bono


      I agree with your thoughts. Plus, you are huge for the comment !!!!

      I have to correct you with Latin -
      QUI PRODEST? QUI BONO? - not C, but Q at the beginning.
      Attributed to L. Cassius Longinus Raville.


      1. wax
        0
        April 6 2013 23: 53
        And yet, in Latin, the first letter is not Q, but C (together - it was a typo)
        1. +3
          April 7 2013 00: 46
          Valery, good day!
          I didn’t even mention the slip, it’s clear that the slip.
          Regarding Q or C, please see http://latinsk.ru
          chapter Interrogative and relative pronouns.
          Sincerely.
  20. 0
    April 6 2013 22: 20
    Quote: VadimSt
    Already tired of all these analysts, historians, memoirists, retirees and schoolchildren who constantly pull some nation by the balls, with a sense of great responsibility and care. In the wrong hands, the "object" is always thicker!
    The result is known in advance - for the most part there is a process of not deliberate and adequate discussion, but incitement of passions among the forum participants, squabble, mutual reproaches and insults.
    All this resembles fun from childhood, by adding yeast to the neighbor’s toilet.

    Cuiprodest? Cui bono
  21. +2
    April 6 2013 22: 21
    If it explodes in Uzbekistan, then it will not seem to us much, because the Kazakhs are technically not able to close the border with the Uzbeks, and we are not technically with the Kazakhs, and now politically, because in one TS
    1. +2
      April 6 2013 22: 57
      Quote: voronov
      Kazakhs are not technically able to close the border with the Uzbeks


      We can stupidly mine. To start. Enough grandmas.

      Quote: voronov
      and we with the Kazakhs neither technically, but now politically, because in one TS


      I do not understand, explain.
      1. wax
        0
        April 6 2013 23: 59
        Obviously what Voronov said - Russia and Kazakhstan have an open border, because are included in the vehicle.
  22. 0
    April 6 2013 23: 01
    Lecha57


    Sooner or later, all Asian countries will be involved in armed conflicts.


    Nude, nude ... dream ... Here, really, you touch me, comrade-gentlemen "analetEgE". Your arguments go something like this (in chorus):

    - I’ll give a tooth, Uzbekistan is blazing! A century of will not to see!

    If you ask normally - "where did you get this from", you will immediately make a pseudo-intellectual, national-chauvinist or pseudo-imperial mine, write a bunch of letters, which again all boil down to the same:

    - I'll give a tooth, so be it! All winter I sucked my right toe of my left foot and sucked such an analyte! Now you just have to "suck it in"!

    Really, people, that’s what it looks like. Do you need Uzbekistan in the CES? So say, without a pseudo-imperial crap, okay? Do not pull the mask where they are not needed.

    But in fact, about this analyteEgi, an article, I mean, I can recall such a case.

    2006th year. Summer. Tashkent. Standard Soviet dominium fortress-well. Early, early morning. And got into the habit in the morning, at 5-6. when he sleeps especially sweetly, the kid with milk cans into the yard. Okay, everyone delivers milk in Tashkent in the morning. And they shout at the same time - "Kiiiisliy-the preessed maaalako! .. Maaalako!" And this bastard, creative, got caught, sang in a sonorous boyish voice, to the tune of the song "the wind blew from the sea, the wind blew from the sea, catching up with melancholy ... catching up with melancholy!", These are the very words that I quoted above "Kisliy malako !. . sour maalako! sour maaaaaalako ... fresh maalako! " Well ... imagine how it sounded ... in the morning ... And it went on like this for ten days.

    So. Half past five in the morning. I'm standing on the balcony. I smoke. I listen to this chant, and I smile a little, since I am already awake. Then a window on the second floor opens, a lady looks out from there, pretty, sleepy in a negligee, that is, beautifully not at all dressed. And in a beautiful, also sonorous, well-delivered voice, for about 7-10 minutes, he explains in detail to this boy where to pour this "malako", where to stick the cans, using "maaalako" as a lubricant. And "finally, if you don’t shut up, you’ll have me" all your kiiisliy malako, lick out of the ditch. " I have already heard. Boy, got scared, and hid behind the cans. He waited patiently for the young lady to speak out. Then carefully, looking out from behind the can, he issued, in a loud, guttural "whisper":

    - Sister?! And Sister ?! And you can, Adin ... the last time to sing, A ?!

    If anyone did not understand what I wanted to say, if there are still such "analyteEgs" I decipher - Fuck you with sour milk in the "rear", and not the war in Central Asia in general, and in Uzbekistan - in particular, analyteEgi pancake. At home, if you really want to, "croak" wars, suck them out of your fingers and from other parts of your body = spat =.

    Like that...
    1. work566
      +2
      April 7 2013 08: 15
      In Russia, they remember history well. Just before the Great
      Patriotic war was the country of Poland, the leadership
      which behaved the same way as Karimov now.
      Poland, trying to outwit everyone, negotiated with both Russia and Germany.
      It ended up losing her independence
      and condemned her people to suffering. And not only her own.
      In Russia, they just want to see an ally in Uzbekistan.
      And when you are told, wagging your tail back and forth, you will end badly,
      they know what they are saying.
    2. +4
      April 7 2013 10: 21
      I read about malacoooo, I laughed well in the morning, otherwise you read articles and comments completely blackmail and expecting universal troubles and misfortunes, or maybe they would like the neighbors to have a fire and they will tell you the spectators who will tell you.
      1. work566
        +2
        April 7 2013 10: 34
        Russia just wants to see Uzbekistan as a reliable ally to ensure joint security. You don’t need more from you. In a pinch, Russia’s security
        able to provide herself. In Russia, never gloated if a neighbor’s house was on fire,
        but offered help.
  23. wax
    +1
    April 6 2013 23: 55
    Uzbekistan will be a problem in any way since has too much human, and moreover, young potential.
  24. 0
    April 7 2013 10: 54
    Russia itself must change its foreign policy and development strategy to become a country more attractive for integration ...
    Russia itself must determine who is friend and enemy in the international arena and pursue a clear policy
    and understandable to everyone ... Moreover, in the post-Soviet space ideas should unite peoples
    - also simple and understandable to everyone - as opposed to Democracy ...
    And so while we had 20 years of imitation of integration processes in the form of the CIS !!! And this imitation eventually led to a complete mess in the post-Soviet space !!!
    1. work566
      0
      April 7 2013 11: 26
      You write "Russia must change its foreign policy" Could you elaborate?
      What specifically change?
      1. +1
        April 7 2013 12: 04
        There are countries in the world that are pursuing a policy that is clearly hostile to Russia - they need to talk to them the same way and not bow down or keep quiet ... Then there are countries that are clearly friendly - they need to actively deepen cooperation in all areas ...

        Western democracy itself is destructive for Russia and the countries of the former union - as it destroys the fundamental foundations of our traditions, culture and peoples ... In Russia, it is high time to come up with our own unifying idea as opposed to Democracy - an idea based, for example, on spirituality, conservatism and succession of traditions of Slavic peoples !!!

        In all the former republics of the USSR, Russia needs to clearly pursue its integration policy - so that even the most provincial people know what will happen after integration and on what principles his country will integrate ... But at the moment Russia does not really have a clear long-term development strategy - and therefore the peoples of neighboring countries do not really understand where their name is?
      2. work566
        +1
        April 7 2013 12: 06
        For "integration" to take place in the post-Soviet space,
        Russia should:
        - "Be attractive", that is, when the neighbors from among the pro-American
        mongrels spit at her, wipe the spit and smile cute
        -Sell your resources to neighbors not at the market price, but in a pendant
        -Russia itself should come up with ideas that "unite peoples" -neighbors
        don't want to think
        - Continuously apologize to the neighbors for anything
        1. 0
          April 7 2013 12: 35
          Yes, itself-if Russia sees itself as a center of unification !!! And if not - so what for then do you even integrate with someone?
    2. 0
      April 7 2013 11: 41
      Quote: Selevc
      imitation of integration processes in the form of the CIS

      The CIS was created for the civilized divorce of the USSR, and not for integration.
      1. -1
        April 7 2013 11: 57
        So we have already been 20 years old - starting from Kuchma they have been talking about integration in the CIS territory - all our brains have already gone awry, but the real situation has not moved off the ground ...
  25. 0
    April 7 2013 11: 12
    Quote: voronov
    because Kazakhs are not technically able to close the border with the Uzbeks


    And why ? Independent for 20 years and can’t close the border? So there’s always a Mercedes for generals
    money, but there is no money to close the border? And the army of Kazakhstan for what? And the border guards for what? And the crowd
    officials in the Ministry of Defense for what?

    All the processes that take place in the former Soviet space are very reminiscent of further decay processes and not some kind of small development !!!
  26. ed65b
    0
    April 7 2013 12: 04
    It doesn’t blaze, wait and see. While the Tsar has not yet died and seems to be adequate. Look at Navruz even danced like EBN. Moreover, I do not believe that once an explosion and a fire are direct. will begin permanently. Response time will remain.
  27. work566
    0
    April 7 2013 12: 30
    I can’t say that the Russian leadership does not offer anything in terms of integration. A Customs Union has been created, supposed
    transform it into a Eurasian Union. The integration process should go gradually.
  28. 0
    April 7 2013 12: 34
    Quote: lav566
    -Russia itself has to come up with ideas, "uniting peoples" -do not want to think about neighbors


    Yes, itself-if Russia sees itself as a center of unification !!! And if not - so what for then do you even integrate with someone?
  29. +1
    April 7 2013 12: 45
    I want to say the following - I have been living in Ukraine for a long time and as far as foreign policy is concerned, I see everything as it is ... In our 20 years of independence, only the voices of nationalists have been heard ... And lately, they have been especially ardent. These would come to Europe even on the bones of their own citizens !!!

    But this is a minority - the main population thinks differently !!! But there is no political force that would represent the interests of this majority !!! And we live - Bender barks, thieves quietly steal, people are silent !!!
  30. work566
    0
    April 7 2013 12: 51
    The integration process is already underway. I just wrote here about the Customs Union and the Eurasian Union.
    There are other ideas. For example, the political scientist Kurginyan proposes to create the USSR 2.0. To collect there all the good that the USSR had
    and bring all the good that humanity came up with. The writer Prokhanov constantly advocates the idea of ​​an empire
    with the "friendly ensemble of peoples." On the Internet, you can get acquainted with all this in detail.
    In the meantime, real integration is only within the framework of the Customs Union.
  31. work566
    +1
    April 7 2013 13: 18
    I look with pain at what is happening in Ukraine.
    SUSHA wants to stir up the same thing in Russia. They want
    we heard only the cries of orange.
    Yesterday on TV they said that the CIA spends on the maintenance of NPOs in the Russian Federation,
    of these pro-American mongrels, about one billion dollars.
    Apparently, soon at the American embassy in Moscow
    will open offices where all these whores will receive grandmas
    on their anti-state activities. Clinton
    she said that they would not allow any integration.
  32. Ali Baba
    -4
    April 7 2013 13: 33
    Yes ... Well, someone very well ordered from the resentment of a strong Uzbekistan that only the black cherries IkspertoF self-published are printed here, how Russians are literally burned at bonfires at every intersection (Uzbekistan is worse off than Russia), then a lot of dirt will be waited on by Karimov Islam Abduganievich wait until the war begins here and they themselves don’t know and have never heard that they actually live here. Only one rhetoric to drive all the Uzbeks home to mine the borders and giggle when it burns out :) So wait, just wait until the wait is dry. And most importantly, we know and see what you are and that’s why there is no desire to cooperate with you; learn how to partner; we’ll talk to you; no, go through the forest; the empire’s time has ended and there will be no free resources anymore .... and don’t forget who your refugees in the Great Patriotic War sheltered with bread fed and gave a roof over his head ... and who sometimes fought with the Germans with you sometimes I think in vain we helped in vain maybe then the memory would not be so short ...
    1. work566
      +3
      April 7 2013 14: 06
      It is useless to speak with the chronic Russophobe Ali Baba. He does not perceive any arguments.
      1. +1
        April 7 2013 16: 06
        work566

        It is useless to speak with the chronic Russophobe Ali Baba. He does not perceive any arguments.


        Stunned ... If Ali Baba is a Russophobe, then this dude then who:

        Krasnoyarsk
        Dependents surrendered to us, let them boil in their independence.


        Huh?

        I understand, of course, idiocy is not to be treated, and talkativeness with an unwillingness to think with your head at the same time is a kind of catatonia, but nevertheless, you personally are trying to at least look "impartial" ... *)
        1. work566
          0
          April 8 2013 07: 17
          Russophobe is a person who hates Russia and Russians. In Ali Baba, it shows in everyone
          without exception in the comments. And "Krasnoyarets" just wants to say that if
          Uzbekistan does not want to cooperate, Russia will live without it.
          1. +1
            April 8 2013 10: 53
            work566

            Russophobe is a man who hates Russia and Russians.


            And there are also such concepts as - arrogance, nearness, stupidity, and simply - carelessness ... *) one of the spouses often suffers from such things in families, for example, as a result of which the family is not a family, but a madhouse .. . *)))

            A man, Ali Baba, tried to explain to you what was what, you all together brushed aside all his arguments. He shas spar like a textbook, the whole "standard set" of a chauvinist, from the "encyclopedia of young I-other-nations-hate-people." And you, together, are not just being led, but also take everything seriously, which, well, very, very much surprises me, amazes and ... = waved his hand = ... although, okay. You are unlikely to understand. Your disease is running, the stage is definitely terminal ... *)), eh. Okay ... you need to be ill with this ...
          2. +1
            April 8 2013 12: 13
            I’ll try, nevertheless, to explain in more detail, so that there is no misunderstanding ... And so, in order.

            Numer adyn. The fact is that the 90s were years of games in all our countries "we are marching in united columns to light capitalism." We all walked together in a row - the result turned out - a priest with a handle, that is, a cat's butt. Let me explain with examples. I studied at the last practically, "Soviet" course in Tashkent. It seems that Uzbekistan became an independent country at that time, but this absolutely did not prevent us, students and teachers, from participating in interesting projects launched back in Soviet times. I myself, at one time, how much time I spent with you, so to speak, in Sosnovy Bor, in Vyborg, etc. The guys from the parallel stream, physicists, were constantly disappearing in Dubna. In general, another fact - all this came to naught, by the year of the commercials, 98th. You can safely draw a line - 98-2000th year - the collapse of the Russian-Soviet scientific school, the Russian segment of science. Since this year, for example, all my publications were published in English = it's just easier for me to explain with personal examples, but believe me - trends =, in the English segment of the world scientific school. This can be called a real trouble.

            Numer duva. It is surprising, where do you dig up the "true" stories about Russophobia in Uzbekistan? All sorts of stories - "My friend got out, in a shaggy year, 85th, from a sewer manhole, covered in shit, and some kind of woman, Uzbek, walked by, and spoke out - don't forget, Russian Vanya, whose bread you eat." Well? For example, once, already in 2009, I was standing in a courtyard in Tashkent - smoking a cigarette, waiting for a friend. Three Russian aunts immediately gathered around me, and began to vividly discuss what kind of Uzbeks we are, piglets, "we have come in large numbers (!), The house is now unrecognizable - everything is dirty." I politely walked away from them, to the trash can, so that there were no complaints - well, it happens, indeed, maybe in this house, several families from remote villages have stopped by, and have not yet socialized in the city, you can understand the women - so these kludges come back to me move up, and let's even in more colorful expressions, discuss the fall of morals, order, and world tendencies of collapse and discord. At that moment, finally, having directed the marafet, my friend appeared, Russian by the way, and we went for a walk with her. And how, in your opinion, can I draw conclusions, expire angry foam about these aunts? I think no. This is nothing more than a change house, kitchen conversations. And in fact, in Uzbekistan, for inciting ethnic hatred, you can easily get MINIMUM, 9 years from confiscations, you live great. And so, the second point that I would like to emphasize is everyday nationalism, which blooms and smells in all our countries. This is a real trouble.
          3. 0
            April 8 2013 12: 49
            Numeric tyry. Economy. Firstly, you can make a short excursion to Adyn. And so, we went into the bright capitalism in the 90s. At one rate or another, but walked. They came, thank God. Russia has something to brag about? Than? The wildest social inequality? You, really, are many here on the forum - can you boast of something? Super profits of your own? Maybe just - income? I think no. Does Uzbekistan have something to brag about? Also not - the same trends as in Russia, only with a coefficient-factor at times. But Kazakhstan has something to brag about? Sitting in Astana is a cool city. More or less, you can find a piece of bread. You go to Stepnogorsk, near at all - poverty is amazing. What are you trying to brag about, comrades, gentlemen, gentlemen? And so, the economies in all our countries are created according to one pattern - steal everything that is bad, stuff your pockets, and after us at least a flood. The economies, if we discard all sorts of digital indicators, we have roughly the same ones - thieves. The rest is from the evil one. This is a real TROUBLE.

            Numer Chechira. You are here, some of you, have mentioned, about slavery, khanates and ramifications of all sorts. Nude, Nude. I come to St. Petersburg once, recently, from an expedition = at that time there was a serious movement at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, and from my old memory they connected = Just a break, chatting with friends, and I love this city ... But I don’t have to go right away to say that I’m taking your work away from you — I still have a job, a little different. So, just started to come to my senses, the guys turned to me and asked me to have a guy in my quartet, a common friend. Yes, no question, hi lives. And so, man, Russian. He was engaged in business, did not touch anyone. In central Russia, I emphasize. So him on lawlessness, "knocked over" to zero for the loot. They kept me for three months in the village, they beat me constantly. Almost sold into slavery. Moreover, not some Caucasians, but their own, Russians. He, according to him, miraculously escaped - a kind man helped. Moreover, the guys who did it were covered by cops, so attempts to turn to the cops did not lead to anything. There were replies, excuses and that's it. How I brought him to my senses, you would know. Man, while I was in St. Petersburg, was afraid go out, he turned off the phone and gave it to me. I tried to hang myself a couple of times. A man brought himself into force. AND? Do you still want to talk about slavery? Nude, nude ...

            So, here are such pies with kittens ... You would still people would open their eyes. They stopped living with their eyes wide shut, or something. I personally do not like anyone nationalism, it smells bad - shit and blood. It’s better, for me, to be above all man, and only then - a representative of his nation, etc. etc.

            Look something like this ...
      2. Ali Baba
        0
        April 8 2013 08: 28
        Quote: lav566
        With a chronic Russophobe, Ali Baba is useless to speak.

        Comrade, I'm the same Russophobe as most Russians are xenophobic wink
  33. 0
    April 7 2013 13: 55
    Quote: il-z
    That's what we need them for? What is the use of them?
    Good-stupid-naive question. It would sound normal if the presenter is used to looking at compatriots through the sight ...
    One of the main problems is that in the territory of Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan, and the rest of the post. the Soviet republics there are quite a lot of people who in Central Asia were united into a separate nationality - the Russian-speaking population. Many left, but for a number of reasons, too, many remained. And in the case of a more or less large mess, most of them will run in our direction, and you don’t need to talk about the borders (read at hommer), if a million and a half Kazakhs walk along the border, and behind them several million more Russians, Tatars , Koreans, Ukrainians and other Russian-speaking people, and those who came to work or those who became Russians, but who have a lot of relatives there, will be pulled back to their families, neither the Russian, Kazakh or Uzbek army and the border service will stop them. It can be delayed, for example, by hurricanes and tornadoes over squares ...
    If you want to get benefits from poor people, I can advise you to get a job at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in the late 90s and early 2000s in Tashkent Russian citizenship cost 400 greenbacks, I myself saw how easily it was received by Caucasians and Uzbeks from the parallel line out of turn. And many friends stood up in the official line, which was then slightly smaller than in the mausoleum in the years of stagnation, but moved 150 times slower, and when they found out that in order to obtain citizenship they had to defend it several more times, they simply spat on this venture, just because going through this circle several times, you need super-strong health and physically impossible for most women and the elderly.
    There is also a cleaner option: interest the press, television, conduct a journalistic investigation, and you will be famous, loot (and benefit). If you don’t bang, because the money there probably revolves a lot.
  34. 0
    April 7 2013 14: 58
    Hello to all.
    Well, what an empty article.
    The nonsense is complete.
    In addition to repetitions in different types of repetitions from rehearsal repeated pronunciations, he did not bear anything.
    From the previous sentence - is there much that is clear?
    So from the whole article.
    ..
    And the comments are so diverse that even any opinion does not add up.
    ...
    Time will put everything in its place.
    Uzbekistan is not a state about which certain conclusions can be drawn. This is "Russia in miniature" - in fact.
    Cemented now - Karimov I. Will not become Karimov - then we will ... look.
    And to make forecasts .... to write with a pitchfork on water.
  35. 0
    April 7 2013 15: 02
    The question is also where the international gang of "liberators" will move after liberation, with "democratic" help, of course, from Syria ... It seems they have adopted Trotsky's theory of permanent revolution.
  36. +1
    April 7 2013 15: 32
    Well, how do they now live when they separated? Have you started to live better?
    1. +1
      April 7 2013 20: 10
      They did not separate, they were abandoned ...
      1. Stalin1982
        +1
        April 7 2013 22: 36
        Sorry, but Karimov is worse than a port prostitute. There is no instinct for self-preservation.
        1. 0
          April 8 2013 15: 01
          Stalin1982 & lav566

          Wuhu ... let's think about this topic. But first, we’ll designate a reference point - in this case, my position. You will designate your position yourself.

          I am hostile to the so-called "business". "Business", in the economic, modern sense of the word, is a perversion implicated in the suffering of people. Especially if this is a political business. So, in some ways I agree with you, - I dislike Karimov. I am ready to respect - a physicist, a physician, a chemist-technologist, - a scientist in general, a simple hard worker - a turner, a welder, etc. But as soon as I understand that I am talking, for example, with a financier, economist, speculator, broker, etc. - I treat such a person badly - a priori. This is the starting point. Farther.

          Let's take a look at what kind of "business" Russia once played with the "outskirts", so to speak. Business number one is money scam. At one time, Russia, having assured, including Uzbekistan, that "no monetary reforms are foreseen, the ruble zone forever - peace, friendship, chewing gum!", Calming, lulling, throwing out a huge mass of old bills on the outskirts, spent lightning fast monetary reform. Not a single economy, as if "fraternal" at that time, countries, simply, could not withstand. Uzbekistan, absolutely unprepared for such a turn of events, almost went down the drain. Well - we got out ... somehow ...

          The nineties. Karimov - "brothers, it sucks at the borders. Let's think about a common army, about a confederation, about a joint defense? Huh?" In response - "Go through the forest, but the steppe." Moreover - live. AND? What is it like? Well, we got out, somehow ...

          And you people still have the courage to talk about "betrayal"? Maybe about "trust"? Huh ... I'm screwing, dear editors. At this point, you, or rather your rulers, have set the vector of movement yourself - "drang nah ... capitalism. Business onli, nosing els!"

          Eh ... guys guys ...
  37. 0
    April 8 2013 00: 59
    - Integration - in interstate relations means the merging of states in order to create a single economic, political and social space ... Obviously, this process is possible only with the complete coincidence of the interests of the ruling elites, and this is where the first question arises: do these two coincide? interests?
    Ideally, two countries roughly equal in terms of economic and development should unite, in our case this is also not the case.
    In social terms, the merger implies the provision of equal rights and opportunities to the citizens of the united state ... here, let both the representatives of Russia and the representatives of Uzbekistan honestly answer themselves - do they want to exist side by side with representatives of an alien culture and language? Equal opportunities include the provision of educational places in universities, schools, kindergartens, hospitals, the possibility of free residence of citizens of the alliance throughout the territory ... Who is ready to leave for permanent residence in warmer climes? ... Or maybe someone is ready to give up their child's place in the nursery garden go to university?
    A case in point is Germany’s integration - the lands of the former GDR still lag behind the more developed FRG, drawing on the resources of more economically prosperous lands. And the Germans do not see a quick solution to this problem ...
    Is Russia able to hold such an event without harming itself?
    Consent is a product with complete non-opposition of the parties ... And without it, integration is more like occupation, and there the poor ones are poor ... As for the creation of a buffer zone, will the Uzbeks themselves agree to fight with the fraternal Afghan people for the quiet life of the Russians? So far, such readiness has not been observed. So to see from everything that the brotherhood of nations was covered with a copper basin ...
  38. 0
    April 8 2013 01: 19
    - Integration - in interstate relations means the merging of states in order to create a single economic, political and social space ... Obviously, this process is possible only with the complete coincidence of the interests of the ruling elites, and this is where the first question arises: do these two coincide? interests?
    Ideally, two countries roughly equal in terms of economic and development should unite, in our case this is also not the case.
    In social terms, the merger implies the provision of equal rights and opportunities to the citizens of the united state ... here, let both the representatives of Russia and the representatives of Uzbekistan honestly answer themselves - do they want to exist side by side with representatives of an alien culture and language? Equal opportunities include the provision of educational places in universities, schools, kindergartens, hospitals, the possibility of free residence of citizens of the alliance throughout the territory ... Who is ready to leave for permanent residence in warmer climes? ... Or maybe someone is ready to give up their child's place in the nursery garden or university?
    A case in point is Germany’s integration - the lands of the former GDR still lag behind the more developed FRG, drawing on the resources of more economically prosperous lands. And the Germans do not see a quick solution to this problem ...
    Is Russia able to hold such an event without harming itself?
    Consent is a product with complete non-opposition of the parties ... And without it, integration is more like occupation, and there the poor ones are poor ... As for the creation of a buffer zone, will the Uzbeks themselves agree to fight with the fraternal Afghan people for the quiet life of the Russians? So far, such readiness has not been observed. So to see from everything that the brotherhood of nations was covered with a copper basin ...
    As for the education of the pro-Russian elite: there have always been some proponents of cooperation with Russia, but unfortunately (?) They are not the ones who make the weather ...
  39. work566
    0
    April 8 2013 08: 13
    Quote: saygon66
    and the Uzbeks themselves will agree to fight with the fraternal Afghan people for the quiet life of the Russians?

    I’m afraid that if the Taliban trample into Central Asia, they will not sing songs with the Uzbeks there, but there will be a massacre.
    An example is Syria and Libya. There one brotherly people with pleasure cuts another.
    1. 0
      April 8 2013 13: 35
      work566

      I’m afraid that if the Taliban trample into Central Asia, they will not sing songs with the Uzbeks there, but there will be a massacre.


      You make me laugh with such comments. Now, if you were more or less aware of the events that were there, then another conversation. And so, do not be offended, you are carrying pure "academic" nonsense, like another comrade from Kazakhstan, who is broadcasting here under the name "Marek Rozny".

      And so, the facts - mid 90s, early 2000s - were very hot. I myself had to wear shoulder straps for 2 years after university - such karma, the whole family is military, - you can't escape fate, so to speak. Then the Taliban perli, yes - there were shelling of Uzbek Termez. There were also Taliban landings in Tajikistan - and you are amazed, the groups come in on old, broken-down "bears". We reached it once, prktichesi to Tashkent, to Bostanlyk = 100 km from Tashkent =. Have you survived? Have the Taliban been allowed in? It seems like no, they didn't let me in. Although many of our guys were killed, both in Tajikistan and in the south of our native Uzbekistan - what to do, such is the life and fate of any normal man - to defend his home and his country. Only through the SNB = this is the National Security Service of Uzbekistan = until the early 2000s, there were several thousand of our guys in Tajikistan. We worked and defended. So what? Did you know that? I think no. It's just that your words, against the background of many thousands of dead guys - Uzbeks, Russians, Tajiks, Tatars, Ukrainians, Belarusians - sound not just like nonsense, but like blasphemy, practically. Maybe you came running in the mid-90s to our mountains to fight? No, I think. What are you talking about, man?
      1. 0
        April 8 2013 14: 00
        By and large, the Americans then gave us a respite then, in the early 2000s, invading Afghanistan in a Cobobian way. Just on hand It turned out, on time and by the way. On that moment, fighting Uzbekistan's casualties were estimated at about 5000, which is quite a lot. Unfortunately, there was no experience. Experience was earned in blood. So ... so ... come on, comrade, pretending to be an "academician of military and geopolitical sciences." To do this, you would need to do "field trips" from time to time, for reconnaissance, or something ...
      2. work566
        0
        April 8 2013 16: 00
        Call it "massacre", "war", "clash". It does not change the essence.
        In any case, the Taliban do not have warm feelings for you.
        This was the meaning of my statement.
        And I said this in response to saygon66 remark,
        that the Uzbeks are unlikely to agree to fight the Taliban. So they already
        are fighting
        In general, I noticed that you can’t say it, screams and accusations follow immediately.
        Some kind of psychological incompatibility.
        Bottom line: I don’t know what the bosses in the Kremlin think there, but my thought
        simple: want to collaborate on joint defense
        and security, the Russian Federation is ready. But only honestly, without wagging
        ass. And if you cheat, then the Russian Federation must be from Central Asia
        to leave.
        1. 0
          April 8 2013 16: 29
          And if you cheat


          Cunning ass are usually politicians. If people in general begin to suffer with cunning, then this is called a "rule of law" society, which blossoms and bears fruit in Europe and the USA. And about your rhetoric, do not practice sophistry exercises. "I actually meant, not that - and that." This is precisely the trend called smart-ass. I specially, for you, paint EXTENDED comments in order to cover as many questions as possible raised by you, just the same ...

          But in general, if you take into account your clarification that you, de "meant something completely different, what you meant", then it turns out that our whole conversation was about nothing, and "yelling" according to your own logic, you will get empty space ...

          Like that...
          1. work566
            0
            April 8 2013 17: 03
            I never said, "I actually meant, not this - but this."
            And don’t be rude! Your Karimov is cunning!
            1. 0
              April 8 2013 17: 14
              Yah!!! Really!

              Russophobe is a person who hates Russia and Russians. In Ali Baba, it shows in everyone
              without exception in the comments. And "Krasnoyarets" just wants to say that if
              Uzbekistan does not want to cooperate, Russia will live without it.


              Call it massacre, war, clashes


              e ". It does not change the essence.
              In any case, the Taliban do not have warm feelings for you.
              This was the meaning of my statement.


              Are these statements both yours? *)) Yours. In the first case, in one of my articles, I chided Ali Baba, like "Shame on you, to use a common cliche - all Russian drunkards. This is not good and a complete lie." And he answered me in plain text - "They throw stamps at me, I throw stamps - what's not clear here? But it's funny." You have bothered to understand what he is trying to talk to you about, and at the same time the statements of Krasnoyarsk are normal for you, but Ali Baba ... ah, ah, ah ... the label is a Russophobe! And you are happy with this, like an elephant in a china shop, by God ... *))

              As for my personal rudeness, believe me, it cannot be compared to your stamped "generalized" rudeness. Although, in any case, I apologize for my rudeness, my personal, deep and sincere apologies ... Accept? *)

              Further - I, I repeat, do not defend Karimov. Moreover, I believe that he is now the main brake on the development of Uzbekistan. He and his entire clan. But he is, after all, a "businessman", just like most of your politicians. And they swim in the same water and devour each other. Do you understand? This is their habitat.
              1. work566
                0
                April 8 2013 17: 55
                I accept. And I apologize if that.
                As for Ali Baba, my opinion remains the same. A man who repeats endlessly:
                Russians, leave, it’s better without you, you rob us, we helped you, and you suck juices from us
                and so on and so forth is a complete Russophobe!
            2. work566
              0
              April 8 2013 17: 23
              I want to add specifically for de_monSher. Personally for me
              no need to write LONG comments. Thoughts need to be expressed
              clearly and in a military way. It is a pity that we get one nonsense here.
              You need to be friends with Russian people. They are kind and helpful.
              And when they cut the uncomfortable truth, it means it is boiling.
              It must be somehow understood too. And appreciated.
              In general, the question is really the same for us: we will be friends at home or separately.
              1. 0
                April 8 2013 17: 30
                work566

                Thoughts need to be expressed
                clearly and in a military way. It is a pity that we get one nonsense here.


                Woo. You probably did not write detailed reports on the situation ... *) And in the discussion of this article, the situation is awful. All this time, I have tried to give you a detailed description of the situation in Uzbekistan. You, friend, are wrong in many ways, because in reality - you did not see the situation up close, in development. You look at the effects, forgetting about the reasons. And about friendship, with the Russians. It has never been interrupted, and will not be interrupted, if you yourself, I mean Russia, again, as in the 90s, do not behave like an elephant in a china shop. For the umpteenth time, I am stressing this to you here, I am not yelling, I am not making accusations, but I am simply saying: "If you need an Empire, think like an imperial, not like a national chauvinist." There is no other way to cook porridge ...
                1. work566
                  0
                  April 8 2013 18: 10
                  I’m not a national chauvinist. I didn’t insult Uzbekov here, I did not urge them to drive them from Russia to the neck. You are confusing me with someone, comrade!
                  This afternoon I was riding in an electric train, next to an Uzbek with a little daughter. The guy is smart, kind
                  face. I don’t feel any hostility towards him. A young guy came to work.
                  Well, let it work. In some other situation, you could become friends.
                  What the fuck is an empire if any of you hiss: the Russian go away!
                  Empire is, as Prokhanov says, "a friendly ensemble of peoples."
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                    April 8 2013 18: 42
                    work566

                    I am not a national chauvinist.


                    I did not directly accuse you of national chauvinism. I quoted the words of Krasnoyarsk. At the same time, I am in the discussion - said Ali Baba, the statement about the "drunkenness" of the Russians is incorrect, you reacted normally to the words of a compatriot, about the dependence of the Uzbeks. Do you understand? But these are trifles, in fact ...

                    Further - the structure, the more managerial, imperious, always strive for optimization. Anyway, all our countries will strive for some kind of integration structures. And anyway, one way or another, the territory of the former USSR is “doomed” to Imperialization, one way or another ... = shrugged his shoulders =. For me personally, this is an absolutely normal trend.

                    About "Russian go away!", You are really dramatizing the situation. If everything were SO bad, now about 500-700 thousand Russians would not live in Uzbekistan, up to one and a half million Russian-speaking, and ... yes, I myself probably would not think and would not write in Russian ... = that is , another plus, at least two-thirds of Uzbekistan loyal to Russia =.

                    Here is another question, of course, to what extent, as the bearer of "new integration ideas, different from the Empire ... since we need Uzbekistan as an ally" = I did not literally, but quoted your words =, distort the very concept, Empire ... *)) excuse me for being straightforward ... *))
                    1. work566
                      0
                      April 8 2013 19: 54
                      Quote: de_monSher
                      You normally reacted to the words of a compatriot about the dependents of the Uzbeks

                      There is no time to respond to the foolish nonsense of every compatriot.
                      As for the empire. Who now agrees to the role of an older and younger brother?
                      The concept of empire must be rethought. I here gave the definition of Prokhanov.
                      It would be nice if everyone voluntarily agreed to live in a huge country.
                      And it is easier to fight off enemies. And the market is again large, which means the economy is stronger.
                      The benefits are actually full!
                      Try to explain it Ali Babe / I am not able to.
        2. 0
          April 8 2013 16: 40
          - Please do not take my comments as a provocation! As De Monsterr said above, "defending your home is the fate of every man!" In case of integration, will some want to die "for Moscow", while others "for independent Uzbekistan"? The question, of course, is for the supporters of this very integration ...
          1. 0
            April 8 2013 16: 49
            saygon66

            As De Monsterr said above, "defending your home is the fate of every man!"


            Well, firstly, I’m Cher, not Sterr ... although, maybe, I’m behaving, of course, a little bitchily... *) Well, and secondly, I repeat, I’m a hereditary military man, although I have lost my way, so I went to mathematics ... And neither my Father, when he fought with the Chinese, nor my Brother when he was thrown to Baku, then to Tajikistan, in the 92nd, at one time - no questions arose, for whom and for whose house they shed blood or are about to shed. Well, to myself, a sample of the mid-90s, my soul was warmed only by the fact that, nevertheless, behind me, my reality, my mentality, my homelands, nevertheless - although they were then called the CIS, and so to speak, were going to "divorce culturally." Well, shas, ​​my soul is rotten. I especially read your "academic" comments, it becomes even more rotten ...

            Like that...
            1. 0
              April 8 2013 17: 10
              - The "academic character" of my comments is a consequence of the ban on swearing on the site. And to the question of the state of mind - the same thing, since the reality of Uzbekistan in the 90s completely destroyed the established mentality!
              1. 0
                April 8 2013 17: 37
                saygon66 & lav566

                - The "academic character" of my comments is a consequence of the ban on swearing on the site. And to the question of the state of mind - the same thing, since the reality of Uzbekistan in the 90s completely destroyed the established mentality!


                Nuuuu ... 90s, sad era. Everything was ... and massacres, on national grounds, and explosions of chauvinism. I personally, my reality, my mentality, shore, believe me. And in Uzbekistan, my reality, my mentality, this is not a small island in the ocean, but rather still - a huge continent, in a not very large sea ... *) All I can say about this ... next - think for yourself ... not children ... like...
                1. 0
                  April 8 2013 17: 54
                  - Yes, everything is clear: there are always less bad guys, but they, damn it, are always more active ...
                  But I'm not talking about the personal ... I really would like to know how everything is seen on the other side of the fence ... well, or barricades ...
                  1. 0
                    April 8 2013 18: 06
                    saygon66

                    Sorry friend. He spent the last three years with breaks in Ukraine and Belarus, at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. break out struggled to Peter, mainly to break back at any time. And ... I'm sorry, I have a purely Imperial education.

                    I can say that in communicating with Friends and Relatives, the constant, the economic situation in Uzbekistan is awful, real. The 2010th year was a severe crop failure, and the real possibility of famine, a repetition of 2006, when there was a severe famine in several areas.

                    The political situation is complete amorphousness. By and large, you can see with the naked eye - wherever you throw, there is a wedge everywhere. An attempt to flirt with the United States, without good ends, do you think Karimov does not understand this? But the attempt to "befriend" Russia, again, gives rise to the memories of the early 90s in the minds of politicians - then, there was a real scam from the Yeltsin-Gaidar Russia. And now, all the more so - Russian trends cause concern - you have become big capitalists than the most "evil" capitalists ... *)) Look, even Belarus, to be afraid of many things ... *) China will gobble up and not even lick his lips. In general, I don’t know ... I don’t know ... giving predictions in this situation is a thankless task ...
                    1. 0
                      April 8 2013 18: 34
                      - Que c'est triste, mon ami ...
                      1. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        April 15 2013 14: 56
                        Quote: saygon66
                        - Que c'est triste, mon ami ...

                        On the site it is strictly forbidden to write non-Russian. Admins will see and immediately issue a warning with a personal record. Even for such a short phrase. Do not believe me, ask the admins))))
                  2. 0
                    April 8 2013 18: 23
                    In general, in my opinion, the Prime Minister of Uzbekistan comes to power, then most likely the tilt will go towards Russia. And he, the prime minister, seems to have a strong position, and there is a lot of all kinds of "necessary" information for everyone ... *) = shrugged his shoulders =. His opponents will come to power ... hmm ... it will be much worse ... but this is my personal opinion ... *) Just now, you shouldn't drive a wave, especially at an everyday level ... completely, completely - not worth it ... Shas time to wait ...

                    And, yet, without external influence, present-day Uzbekistan is not in it’s not burning... People, in 2006, even dying of hunger, did not rise strongly, did not rebel ... so ... so ... so such things ...
      3. ed65b
        0
        April 8 2013 18: 35
        Something you dear de_monSher are misleading the public (this is putting it mildly) There have never been any shelling of Termez. On the other side of Daria, Dostum (by the way, also Uzbek) stood. And his business was established with the Uzbeks. And whose 5000 losses? During the civil war in the Republic of Tatarstan, the Russians globally defended the republic from the "vovchiks" and took Nurek under protection and provided air support from the kokayty.
        1. 0
          April 8 2013 18: 54
          ed65b

          Something you dear de_monSher mislead the public (to put it mildly)


          The last shelling of Termez took place, God forbid, in 2002 ... about 30 missiles were fired, the Grad system ... = shrugged =. in 97-2000 they were frequent. I ALWAYS say only what I know and what I can answer for ...
          1. ed65b
            0
            April 8 2013 20: 31
            Do you even believe yourself when you talk about it ???? What shelling Termez ???? I have a wife from there and my nephew at the border serves. stop making bullshit. After high school 2-year-old - that just does not seem. Have you been to the border?
            1. 0
              April 8 2013 21: 26
              ed65b

              After high school 2-year-old - that just does not seem. Have you been to the border?



              At the border, "were" ... The rest is already your right, to judge, not to judge ... Even, I will say - your duty ... *)
            2. blanket
              0
              April 10 2013 02: 42
              Akhunbabaev and Chkals fired at Khairaton. it is not Termez but nearby. do not lower the person below the baseboard.
  40. +2
    April 8 2013 10: 22
    Who wants to integrate if they always shout why we need to feed someone, there should be equality and without mutual insult. The younger brother has grown up and does not want to listen to the older one. Therefore, you should not scream, but try to set the right path.
  41. work566
    0
    April 8 2013 18: 59
    Turning to de_monSher:
    If you are so smart, you know how to express your thoughts with complex subjects
    offers, then you sit here all day in a circle of simple
    Russian people, barely holding back the mat, and discussing
    international environment with short chopped phrases?
    Give Ali Babu to us here!
    Would you go to write newspaper articles! Honestly, I would read with pleasure!
    1. 0
      April 8 2013 19: 09
      work566

      Turning to de_monSher:
      If you are so smart, you know how to express your thoughts with complex subjects


      Ghee ... *)) Your flattery, I will drop it, but in general - have hit the nail on the head. In general, when I have free time, I write in the NF genre ... Olday, Valentinov’s master classes took place at the time ... *))) This is really bad, right? ..

      And about the fact that I’m sitting on the forum right now, it’s so bad to try to explain something to others, on a question that worries you? Should I leave? Was it sarcasm, or simple irony? *)
  42. 0
    April 8 2013 19: 10
    - (Horrified ...): Not Ali Babu! I have a weak heart ... wassat
    1. work566
      0
      April 8 2013 19: 29
      Ali Baboi is boring! Mumbling the same thing! Maybe he is a good person and it would be with him
      It’s interesting to sit and talk. Surely, he would tell a lot of interesting things.
      But not on the forum!
      1. 0
        April 8 2013 20: 07
        -Some forum visitors look like a fan of a football club accidentally entering the rival fan club bar: there are no common themes, but ambition does not allow them to leave!
  43. +3
    April 28 2013 14: 37
    If you cover the borders, then immediately the silk will
  44. T-baev
    0
    23 May 2013 21: 02
    S. Uralov argues from the position of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In his opinion, we have thought everything through for you too, so why don’t you join? Even in the EU, the opinion of each member is taken into account, and in the Customs Union as at a party meeting, the majority voted if you please. And Uzbekistan this does not suit him, like all states, he has his own interests, therefore his opinion to which Russia does not want to listen, and here is the result.