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Little battle of a big war. Syria

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Video about tank fights in Syria from the ANNA news agency with the participation of a tank with reinforced construction debris protection. As it turns out, it was not possible to show themselves to this defense in battle; the structures that were poorly attached to the NKDZ containers simply fell off.
From the structures on the tower, various pieces of building structures and paving slabs also fell out.

Given the pest scheme of the installation of a DZ on the T-72AB by the Syrian military, the most optimal way out would be to install protective lattice screens.



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  1. soldat1945
    soldat1945 April 3 2013 12: 34
    +7
    Strengthening armor in combat is a difficult thing, they know better they are fighting!
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 3 2013 13: 08
      +4
      Yesterday, in one of the topics about Syria, I posted these videos in the comments. You can add this video, there just about the battles and the situation tells Musin.

      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 3 2013 17: 27
        +4
        April 2 Summary

    2. Kars
      Kars April 3 2013 13: 45
      +2
      Quote: soldat1945
      armor strength in combat is a tricky thing

      But not new.
    3. beech
      beech April 3 2013 14: 42
      11
      damn ... really somehow we can’t help ... right heart breaks ... really can not put them a more modern dz? After all, the guys are fighting not only for Syria, but also for us ... if they fall, there will be a third Chechnya!
      1. mankurt
        mankurt April 3 2013 17: 08
        +3
        Quote: beech
        ling ... really can't help somehow ... right my heart is breaking ... really can't we give them a more modern dz? After all, the guys are fighting not only for Syria, but also for us ... if they fall, there will be a third Chechnya!

        Here the guys are weary of an excess of warlike feelings, to send them to Syria.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair April 3 2013 17: 28
        +5
        Quote: beech
        but also for us ... if they fall, there will be a third Chechnya
        On the walls of cities somewhere in Syria ......
        1. Corsair
          Corsair April 3 2013 17: 31
          +2
          Quote: Corsair
          On the walls of cities somewhere in Syria ...
          And more from this series ....
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 3 2013 17: 55
      +5
      About 30 militants from Azerbaijan destroyed in Syria




      Back in October 2012, the Syrian media reported on the participation of Azerbaijani militants in the hostilities in Syria on the side of anti-government armed groups. In particular, the SANA agency reported on the elimination by Syrian military personnel of the Azerbaijani citizen Hasin Kazli, who entered the territory of Syria through the Turkish border.

      The fact that Azerbaijan is providing assistance to Syrian militants was known before. The Iranian website arannews.ir reported that Azerbaijan provided financial assistance to the Syrian armed opposition in the amount of 500 thousand euros. The Turkish and Azerbaijani special services together made efforts to make the stronghold of the armed opposition from the Syrian province of Idleb.

      The Armenian resource panorama.am with a reference to voskanapat.info reports that the Azerbaijani militants undergo special training in the city of Hatay before being sent to Syria. The greatest concentration of militants from Azerbaijan was noted in the Turkish camp "Aypadyn", specially created for the accelerated training of sabotage and terrorist groups.

      In early April, the Azeri agency "APA", citing the "site of the Mujahideen-Turks", published the number of Azerbaijanis killed in Syria. According to the newspaper, since the beginning of the conflict, about 30 Azerbaijani militants have been killed in the Syrian provinces.

      In general, ties between international terrorist groups and Azerbaijan originate in the early 1990s. Then Azerbaijan, having failed in Nagorno-Karabakh, attracted international terrorists and members of radical groups from Afghanistan, Turkey, Chechnya and some other regions to the war against the Armenians.

      In recent years, Azerbaijani citizens, according to an Armenian source, have been actively involved in terrorist and extremist activities in Russia, Afghanistan and Syria. In Azerbaijan itself, citizens of this republic, prosecuted for participating in "illegal armed groups" in Afghanistan, are sentenced to short terms of imprisonment.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 3 2013 18: 07
        0
        Syrian Air Force fighter strikes Lebanon



        Syrian Air Force fighter struck Lebanon on the outskirts of the border town of Arsal. According to Reuters, citing eyewitnesses, no one was injured as a result of the airstrike.

        The Arsal area in northeastern Lebanon is 11 km away. from the Syrian border, to which there is a continuous mountainous desert area, allowing militants to easily cross the border in the direction of the cities of Nebeck and Yabrud (Damascus province). It is also not far from here (about 30 km to the north) to the border Syrian city of El Quseir (province of Homs).

        The neighborhoods of the Lebanese villages of Arsal, Kaa, Beit Hira, Qasr turned into gangster enclaves, which are practically not controlled by the country's authorities. The Syrian leadership has repeatedly called for order here and warned of its right to pursue militants in Lebanese territory.

        A number of Lebanese politicians consider the strikes of the Syrian air force on Lebanese territory as aggression. For example, when the Syrian Air Force attacked northeastern Lebanon on March 18, destroying a convoy of vehicles with militants, President Michel Suleiman called it "an unacceptable violation of sovereignty." Then, according to the Lebanese media, a Syrian helicopter struck an area near the city of Arsal. The Syrian authorities denied this information.

        Meanwhile, Lebanon itself is extremely restless. Early this morning, militants on the side of the Syrian Free Army (FSA) opened fire on a convoy of trucks in the port city of Tripoli on their way to Syria. The driver of one of the cars was wounded.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 3 2013 18: 26
        0
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Back in October 2012, the Syrian media reported on the participation of Azerbaijani militants in the fighting in Syria on the side of anti-government armed groups

        both of the IDs shown by you belong to the Lezgins of the citizens of Azerbaijan!
        this is evident both in the patronymic and in the wound of residence!
        Few Russian citizens die there ??
        Why did you post this?
        Quote: Sith Lord
        In early April, the Azeri agency "APA", citing the "site of the Mujahideen-Turks", published the number of Azerbaijanis killed in Syria

        Give a link!
        Quote: Sith Lord
        In recent years, Azerbaijani citizens, according to an Armenian sourceа

        Read less Armenian sources !!
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 4 2013 17: 28
          0
          Well, some some Azerbaijanis are fighting in Syria, so what? Anything can happen.
    5. Pimply
      Pimply April 4 2013 16: 13
      0
      Big giraffe, he knows better? Not always. They do everything by virtue of knowledge. And they do not always shine
  2. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn April 3 2013 12: 39
    +4
    How long can I procrastinate this topic, they have their own heads on their shoulders, they themselves will come up with something. They do at least something, although they have neither time nor resources. Remember Grozny, then little KDZ blocks were torn off from contact with the buildings, but there was still not enough explosive for these blocks and no one scratched their fingers about reinforcing the protection, they beat a hole with chopped wood and everything is fine, the car continues to fight.
  3. ansons
    ansons April 3 2013 12: 41
    0
    "Taking into account the wrecking scheme of installing DZ on the T-72AV" - since when did it become wrecking? that is, when hitting the DZ, the tank tears off the tower or how.
    1. vilenich
      vilenich April 3 2013 14: 54
      +1
      Quote: ansons
      "Taking into account the wrecking scheme of installing DZ on the T-72AV" - since when did it become wrecking? that is, when hitting the DZ, the tank tears off the tower or how.

      Yes, the fastening on the sides is weak, often flies off with minor deformations. Apparently this was meant.
      1. ansons
        ansons April 3 2013 15: 20
        +1
        In my opinion, this is called weak creeping or ill-conceived, but not as not harmful request
        1. Cynic
          Cynic April 3 2013 17: 02
          +2
          Do not forget 72 matches there old (M) and new (C), on the first and second truncated DZ! After all, export!
    2. vjhbc
      vjhbc April 3 2013 15: 42
      +1
      weakening of the armor in the places of welding
      Quote: ansons
      "Taking into account the wrecking scheme of installing DZ on the T-72AV" - since when did it become wrecking? that is, when hitting the DZ, the tank tears off the tower or how.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic April 3 2013 17: 07
        +3
        Quote: vjhbc
        weakening of the armor in the places of welding

        Where?
  4. baltika-18
    baltika-18 April 3 2013 12: 49
    +1
    Video creeps in ......
    Well done guys!
    A 72-ki to stay fine.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 12: 56
      12
      Quote: baltika-18
      A 72-ki to stay fine.

      Well, tanks are practically working for wear, Syria needs more substantial help, but it is not request
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus April 3 2013 13: 10
        +4
        It is curious that the same Abrashi fought at least somewhere in such conditions? And would they be able to withstand such an intensity of battles as our T-72? Or they could only scare the Papuans under the guise of aviation.
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous April 3 2013 13: 16
          +2
          I don't think the slogan "abrashi-bullshit" makes sense. Only a similar military situation will show whether they will break or will be more reliable. In the meantime, as you say, the air cover allows them to incur much lower losses in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think Assad, if he had such an opportunity, would not have abandoned the intensive use of aviation in order to save his tanks and people
          1. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus April 3 2013 14: 17
            +5
            Quote: Dangerous
            I think Assad, if he had such an opportunity, would not have refused the intensive use of aviation to save his tanks and people

            Technically, Assad probably has the opportunity to demolish half a city by air with the militants, as the Americans would surely have done. And along with civilians. But he does not do this, since this is his country and his people.
            1. Kars
              Kars April 3 2013 14: 24
              +2
              Quote: lewerlin53rus
              to demolish half a city with militants by aviation, as the Americans would surely have done. And along with civilians. But he does not do this, since it is his country and his people

              It is strange in the video chronicle and the photo of what remains of the cities in Syria, an imperceptibly large difference, the destruction is huge.



              1. in reserve
                in reserve April 3 2013 16: 03
                +2
                Neither x ........ I see, the first time I see this is how our Mi-8 explodes in the air. And these already voted.
            2. Pimply
              Pimply April 4 2013 16: 14
              0
              Are you kidding me? 8))
        2. Hudo
          Hudo April 3 2013 13: 19
          0
          Quote: lewerlin53rus
          It is curious that the same Abrashi fought at least somewhere in such conditions? And would they be able to withstand such an intensity of battles as our T-72? Or they could only scare the Papuans under the guise of aviation.

          The question is purely rhetorical. If he could, PIN-dos would have been trumpeted throughout Ivanovo.
          here is another point, amers fight for money, and the Syrians - for their native land
        3. Kars
          Kars April 3 2013 13: 49
          0
          Quote: lewerlin53rus
          e Abrashi at least somewhere in such conditions fought?

          Baghdad, Basra, only the Americans were able to carry out more effective support for the air. And here, military helicopters are invisible.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv April 3 2013 14: 38
            -1
            And here the combat helicopters are invisible.
            Duc and how to work that NURS. Do not forget the amers still fought in a foreign land and not at home.
            1. Kars
              Kars April 3 2013 15: 13
              0
              Quote: leon-iv
              Do not forget amers still fought in a foreign land and not at home

              It’s like a big difference to hollow howitzer, or let the SD go. Remember how Grozny looked after the assault?
              or here are not ruins on the video?
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv April 3 2013 15: 38
                0
                how did Grozny look after the assault?
                much better than it might look.
                1. Kars
                  Kars April 3 2013 16: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  much better than it might look.

                  Vryatli. But now there is a drop dead shit there.
                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv April 3 2013 16: 11
                    0
                    Vryatli.
                    No, the army did not fight there as it should be, using all forces and means in accordance with the instructions and rules.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars April 3 2013 16: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      No, the army did not fight there as it should be, using all forces and means in accordance with the instructions and rules.

                      here it is not necessary to show it, there were mistakes but that would have spared property and buildings)))
                      1. leon-iv
                        leon-iv April 3 2013 18: 13
                        +1
                        property and buildings)))
                        people were spared. A lot of civilians, and especially Russian in the first Chechnya
                  2. Ascetic
                    Ascetic April 3 2013 19: 31
                    +3
                    Quote: Kars
                    Vryatli. But now there is a drop dead shit there.


                    One of the skyscrapers is on fire in the Grozny-City complex in the capital of Chechnya
                    The fire broke out, presumably, on one of the upper floors of the tallest building in the Grozny-City complex. Thick black smoke rises above the high-rise. It was here, according to media reports, that French actor Gerard Depardieu received housing as a gift after being awarded the title of honorary citizen of Chechnya.
                    fire in the formidable city


                    And this is a high-rise fire in Moscow City in January

                    fire Moscow city


                    As the saying goes, God is not Yermoshka, he sees a little
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay April 3 2013 20: 34
                      +1
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      It was here, according to media reports, that French actor Gerard Depardieu received housing as a gift after being awarded the title of Honorary Citizen of Chechnya

                      Now they will make him insurance payments and will pay a penalty!
                      Will cover taxes in France !!
                    2. Apollo
                      Apollo April 3 2013 23: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      One of the skyscrapers is on fire in the Grozny-City complex in the capital of Chechnya
                      The fire broke out, presumably, on one of the upper floors of the tallest building in the Grozny-City complex. Thick black smoke rises above the high-rise. It was here, according to media reports, that French actor Gerard Depardieu received housing as a gift after being awarded the title of honorary citizen of Chechnya.


                      Good evening, Stanislav! hi

                      Source: Depardieu’s apartment in Grozny is not in a burning high-rise

                      The apartment of actor Gerard Depardieu is located in the neighboring skyscraper of the Grozny-City complex, and not in the burning one, law enforcement sources said.

                      http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/4/3/627248.html
              2. DEfindER
                DEfindER April 4 2013 13: 01
                0
                Quote: Kars
                It’s a big difference to hollow a howitzer, or to launch an SD. Remember how Grozny looked after the assault? Or are there no ruins in the video?

                The difference is serious, howitzer, and more precisely and cheaper, when you yourself later need to rebuild everything, think about whether it is worth bombing from the air, although it’s easier by aviation, completely destroyed it, and then rebuild the cities, will it be possible for the Syrian economy?
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 15: 57
          +2
          Quote: lewerlin53rus

          It is curious that the same Abrashi fought at least somewhere in such conditions?

          Abrams in Iraq also burned well.
      2. Kars
        Kars April 3 2013 13: 48
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Syria needs more substantial help, but it is not

        But what then did the Russian ships in Tartus .. unload ..? The militants saw both Chinese MANPADS and Austrian sniper rifles. But I didn’t notice anything special among the government forces.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 14: 02
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          But what then did Russian ships in Tartus unload ..?

          I cannot answer this question.
          1. Kars
            Kars April 3 2013 14: 10
            0
            It’s a pity, but it’s somehow strange that desperately needed Syria’s spare parts for tanks, after all, more than a thousand BTT units have been disabled or destroyed, arrested at Finnish customs.
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 3 2013 14: 18
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, tanks almost work for wear

        these pi..ry
        I use all sorts of methods!
        Inventiveness they will not refuse!
        Look through the barrel with a hand grenade blown up a tank!

        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 3 2013 15: 05
          +7
          Quote: Yarbay
          Look through the barrel with a hand grenade blown up a tank!

          It is not clear what this tank does alone without support. Militants run around him like flies. What is it like?! In your right mind to blow up a tank through the barrel? The cannon of the tank is not movable all the time!
          I think this is a statement.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 3 2013 15: 31
            +2
            Quote: ATATA
            It is not clear what this tank does alone without support.

            agree that before a fig such videos where tanks in Syria are fighting without infantry support !!
            Alas, they often fight like that!





            Quote: ATATA
            In your right mind to blow up a tank through the barrel?

            You did not see how they shoot from mortars, granotomet, smashing themselves to shreds ??
            Quote: ATATA
            The cannon of the tank is not movable all the time!

            Well, there’s not much time!
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 15: 41
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          Look through the barrel with a hand grenade blown up a tank!

          Alibek, watched the video, well, such a feeling - the tank is empty. He did not budge after he threw a grenade. They were sleeping there.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 3 2013 15: 48
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Alibek, watched the video, well, such a feeling - the tank is empty. He did not budge after he threw a grenade. They were sleeping there.

            he even threw it for the first time when the barrel was supposed to turn at the moment of the shot!
            Therefore, I also suspect that this is not true !!
            Just at the first viewing I did not pay attention that there was a first attempt!
            Something strange!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 15: 52
              +4
              Quote: Yarbay
              Something strange!

              Perhaps even earlier the engine was turned around, so they threw it, and then they brought the camera and took off heroism.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 3 2013 16: 07
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Perhaps even earlier the engine was turned around, so they threw it, and then they brought the camera and took off heroism.

                and who shot the tank then?
                1. Kars
                  Kars April 3 2013 16: 17
                  +3
                  I can assume that no one was shooting. In the first attempt, as in the second, a grenade was used. I only overexposed it, and it exploded in the barrel, the second time it fell into the fighting compartment. Therefore, it is possible that the tank was knocked out earlier, the AZ failed and did not the wedge of the gun’s shutter closed.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 3 2013 16: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: Kars

                    I can assume that no one was shooting

                    Well, yes, I agree, for the first time, if there was a shot, I think the barrel would fly apart!
        3. in reserve
          in reserve April 3 2013 16: 12
          0
          Here is a note for our developers, let them think how to make the tank look better, what kind of cameras can be installed, in short, good eyes are needed.
        4. Zhzhuk
          Zhzhuk April 3 2013 16: 18
          0
          I am so not attentive that at first it seemed that he threw it into the hatch, then revised it looks like the tank is not even wound up, there is no engine noise, and the kid runs around him like on a walk. And in general, from such videos, the heart bleeds, if tanks from RPGs are spreading, then I don't understand the meaning of BMP, I wonder how the BMPT "terminator" would show itself in a city battle.
        5. commentor
          commentor April 3 2013 16: 49
          +3
          Monkey with a grenade and an empty tank.
          Spectacle.
          1. in reserve
            in reserve April 3 2013 17: 59
            +1

            commentor
            Monkey with a grenade and an empty tank.
            Spectacle.


            Watch carefully the video which tank shoots.
            1. Genady1976
              Genady1976 April 3 2013 20: 35
              0
              the tank is empty for sure and the barrel twitched from a grenade explosion
        6. Pimply
          Pimply April 4 2013 16: 18
          0
          And if it was a Syrian soldier, Alibek, you would say that this is a hero, don’t you?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 7 2013 10: 05
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            And if it was a Syrian soldier, Alibek, you would say that this is a hero, don’t you?

            hardly!!
            There is a man with a grenade launcher standing !!
            explicit inciting!
            why be heroic ??
            Then I hate the Wahhabis-Shaitanists than they would hide!
            Eugenius, if these shaitans are fighting against your country, then they are evil, if it is good against Assad?
            with respect!
      4. Beck
        Beck April 3 2013 14: 22
        +5
        Well, how can you fight in the city without infantry on the armor? And I still have questions, like a tankman, a tank commander.

        In the first video, where the first tank shot from a machine gun and a gun. Okay, we can’t see, the gunner saw something through the scope. But the second and third cannon shots in a cloud of dust why? After all, there was nothing to see.

        According to the announcer, in the second video, the first tank received a grenade at the commander's sight. But the commander’s hatch with devices is on the right. The hatch and gunner’s sights are on the left. And they showed the damaged, namely the gunner’s rangefinder sight, behind this rangefinder the gunner’s night sight was visible. And the paradox, the gunner is safe, and the commander was injured. If the daytime rangefinder was damaged by a grenade, it was possible to destroy the grenade launcher with a return shot, in addition, the tank first moved 2-3 meters, and then fired.

        And why tanks show this, and tankers themselves can’t be seen. Something flashed in the open hatch of the gunner and all. And shown, as if the Syrian commander of the tank, is not at all in military uniform. In civilian clothes, and besides clean. And his hands are not the hands of a tankman who left the battle.

        Generally staging this. Combined staging. How could they remove the grenade launchers on the floor, here the militants come in, please say take off. And the production is propaganda, and clumsy.

        Do not know how, do not handle. At least fight in tanks, at least shoot propaganda material.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 3 2013 15: 51
          +1
          Quote: Beck
          Do not know how, do not handle. At least fight in tanks, at least shoot propaganda material.

          these shaitanists also didn’t go far on set !!
          The performances are also weak!
        2. commentor
          commentor April 3 2013 17: 17
          +1
          Quote: Beck
          If the daytime rangefinder was damaged by a grenade, it was possible to destroy the grenade launcher with a return shot, in addition, the tank first moved 2-3 meters, and then fired.


          No one claims that the shot was aimed. The driver drove back to the alley, the commander fired.

          Here is an explanation from the author of the video. He actively communicates and answers questions.

          I think many will have a similar question. Therefore, I hasten to answer.

          In the Syrian (as, incidentally, sometimes in Russia), the tank commander is the most trained crew member and often shoots best of all, so it is he who sits in the place of the gunner.

          A full-time gunner is in the place of the tank commander and is engaged in monitoring the situation.


          The assault lasted a couple of days. The second movie was shot a day later.

          Your "exposure" is belated.
          1. Beck
            Beck April 3 2013 21: 12
            +2
            Quote: commentor
            Here is an explanation from the author of the video. He actively communicates and answers questions. I think many will have a similar question. Therefore, I hasten to answer. In the Syrian (as, incidentally, sometimes in Russia), the tank commander is the most trained crew member and often shoots best of all, therefore he is sitting in the place of the gunner. And the full-time gunner is in the place of the tank commander and is monitoring decor.


            I do not agree. The tank commander is most responsible. He must monitor the general situation of the battle, identify the objectives, determine the most important and, on the basis of this, give the gunner TsU (target designation) both by voice and by the command device. One task for the gunner is to hit the target. Generally change to nothing. And the gunner is not taught to drive a tank in battle, he is taught to hit targets without a miss.

            This is in T-54 and 55, where the gunner is sitting in front of the commander, it was possible to push the gunner against the wall of the tower, the commander to cling to the sight and fire a shot, which I sometimes did when I had a young gunner.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic April 4 2013 17: 18
              0
              Quote: Beck
              The tank commander is most responsible. He must monitor the general situation of the battle, identify the goals, determine the most important and on the basis of this give the gunner the command and control (target designation) both by voice and by the command device. One task for the gunner is to hit the target.

              There was no need to quote the manual, just think about it. _ Fight in the city!
              1. Beck
                Beck April 4 2013 18: 27
                +2
                Quote: Cynic
                There was no need to quote the manual, just think about it. _ Fight in the city!


                From the tank, the review is generally limited. A civilian if he looks in triplex, after half a minute of movement loses all orientation, he will have earth-sky and sky-earth swing in triplets.

                And without the command commander, and besides, there is nothing to do in the city at all. The gunner looks into the sight, the field of view, even at 3x magnification (the lowest), well, at a distance of 100 meters, there will be a circle about 2 meters in diameter. All the gunner sees nothing more. Neither left, nor right, nor top, nor down. In order to watch the gunner somewhere, you need to swing the cannon and turn the tower back and forth. And it’s not fast to turn the fable. Here is the commander whose overview of the observation devices located in the rotating commander’s turret is ten times better and says which way the turret should be turned, lower the gun up or down. And this commander displays the field of view of the gunner’s sight on the target. That's only when the gunner with the help of the commander catches the target and then shoots. In another way, the gunner sees little in the field, and in the city there is so little horseradish and horseradish.
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic April 4 2013 18: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Beck
                  he will triple in the earth-sky and heaven-earth swing

                  So it sways! True, if you get carried away, then the scruff of the boot hurts at times !
                  Well, let's leave 55-accurate memories.
                  Quote: Beck
                  Well, at a distance of 100 meters, there will be a circle of about 2 meters in diameter.

                  Well, the diameter is 2 meters, let’s remember, although that hole where the commander drove 72-ku is something, four meters.

                  yes
                  1. Beck
                    Beck April 4 2013 20: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: Cynic
                    So it sways! True, if you get carried away, then on the scruff of the boot it hurts at times!


                    And that it takes you away from the main line. It’s clear that I remembered the civilian in the tank in order to show how difficult it is to navigate in the tank. A trained tanker does not swing much, dexterity is developed how to look. And they drove this hole to 72, the gunner did not even see the dimensions, so they did not fit into the field of view increased by the optics of the sight. And then I took two meters offhand, maybe a smaller field of view.

                    This is the latest version of the Leopard video camera sensors around the tower poked and the crew just looks at the monitor in the right direction.
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic April 4 2013 20: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Beck
                      A trained tanker does not swing much, dexterity is developed how to look.

                      Mmm
                      It seems that they never rode in a well-swung car.
                      what
                      1. Beck
                        Beck April 4 2013 21: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Cynic
                        Mmm It seems that they never rode in a well-swung car


                        What kind of car are you talking about? About a car or a tank? Tanks jump from jumpers only at demonstration performances. And in the field they don’t fly into big bumps from all over.

                        And what does Mmmm have to do with it. You read komenty that I urgently served as a tank commander. What is now on the fingers to explain how to apply dexterity.

                        The driver mechanically compensates for the up and down triplex swing by moving the head and body, that is, it adjusts to look either along the upper or lower cut of the triplex. (T-54, T-55). My mechanic, on irregularities, is applied by the forehead of the headset to the upper non-transparent part of the triplex and with the movements of the head he leveled the swings as best he could. The remaining crew members took on the arms of the triplexes or observation devices and kayali from the counter-swinging tank.

                        Here you are all asking questions. What is your military specialty in order to express doubts about my tanker's words? Not an officer, but a tank commander .. Of course you can tell, using the specifics of communication on the Internet, whatever you want. In vain asked. Ah, that thoughtful Mmm. And he traveled across the field in tanks, and along direct lines at the training grounds, and made a march-throw along the highway 60 kilometers to Damansky Island.
                      2. Cynic
                        Cynic April 5 2013 18: 11
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                        Quote: Beck
                        That's your military specialty

                        Military department.
                        Quote: Beck
                        express doubts in my words of the tankman? Not an officer, but a tank commander.

                        For more than twenty years in tank production, on the ground.
                        Quote: Beck
                        Of course, you can say, using the specifics of communication on the Internet, what you want.

                        Mutually.
      5. Cynic
        Cynic April 3 2013 17: 30
        0
        Quote: Beck
        How could they shoot grenade launchers on the floor, here’s the gunmen

        Well, this is the simplest, judging by the words about the successful completion of the operation _ These got theirs. Trophy
        Almost always everything can be explained. Well, well, well, but the location of the grenade launchers one after another ...
        For this I personally have neither such knowledge nor arrogance.
        request
    2. Denis
      Denis April 3 2013 18: 36
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Well, tanks are practically working for wear, Syria needs more substantial help, but it is not

      Without our help, Assad will not survive, regrettably, but this is a matter of time, the stream of mercenaries and new weapons will not run out for them, no one is hiding it, And Assad’s material assistance is clearly not enough ...
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR April 3 2013 13: 17
    +2
    Looking at how the Syrians are fighting at 72, the question begs. Either we don’t know how to use them, or the Syrian rebels, compared to our bearded ones in Chechnya, are just lambs. 72ki work on wear together with their crews. The fact that you need help is for sure. Although there is still a question who will teach whom, We them or they us.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous April 3 2013 13: 27
      +1
      I did not understand the comment on the use of our tanks in Chechnya. Is this about the first assault on Grozny or something, when 200 militants opposed 500 tanks and 15 infantry fighting vehicles?
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR April 3 2013 13: 48
        0
        Quote: Dangerous
        I did not understand the comment on the use of our tanks in Chechnya. Is this about the first assault on Grozny or something, when 200 militants opposed 500 tanks and 15 infantry fighting vehicles?

        Well, yes.
        1. ansons
          ansons April 3 2013 14: 09
          +1
          First, remember what time it was. And secondly, they have already long ago dismantled "proved" that there was no Dynamic Protection on the tanks at all, that is, the DZ boxes were screwed on, but there was no Explosive in them (I think it is not necessary to explain how the explosive works). A camulative jet of RPG grenades will burn through about a meter of armor without remote sensing.
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution April 3 2013 14: 20
      +4
      Do you laugh?) Dear, look about Chechnya, first it was armed to the teeth since the partition of the USSR, they had weapons on par with our soldiers, they all studied in the USSR in the military sphere and some in Afghanistan, so both combat experience and weapons everything was.
      Ours was simply betrayed by Berezovsky and the ebony, they dragged on the war as long as possible, throwing the soldiers to death in a well-fortified city, already during 2 the Chechen thought better of it and changed tactics.
      Betrayal in government and among the military has played its part.
  • erased
    erased April 3 2013 13: 41
    0
    It is necessary to collect, accumulate, and then analyze the experience of the Syrian war.
    All - tactics, technical solutions, the use of tanks, other equipment. Experience in dealing with militants fueled by NATO. All of this may come in handy soon.
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 April 3 2013 14: 32
      0
      If our government also hides its head in the sand and quietly resents it, then of course such an experience can come in handy, as it does not sound sad.
    2. hrych
      hrych April 3 2013 17: 56
      +1
      We have our own experience "above the roof". The Syrians ignore this experience, go their own way, paving slabs, and soon the tank will be equipped with tiles and tiles.
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M April 3 2013 14: 57
    0
    Shooting about Syria generally amazes me. What are the feds, that the majahideen horseradish otlichish all in a paramilitary form herds run screaming hands waving what is what? There is a grenade launcher next to the people of 5-6 people. A grenade launcher fired a tank in response to 5-6 corpses. If you send a normal personnel army there, then in Syria in a week there will be an exemplary order. And so the men gathered on both sides of the war game to play tanks ride.
  • valokordin
    valokordin April 3 2013 15: 03
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    If our government also hides its head in the sand and quietly resents it, then of course such an experience can come in handy, as it does not sound sad.

    Our government, or rather the leadership, is waiting directly for the Syrian Army to bleed, it thinks it is conducting diplomacy, while Nato and other Arabs are not embarrassed in arming the Alkaid scum. Take and send the military attaché to Syria Lavrov himself, and Ambassador Medvedev.
    1. hrych
      hrych April 3 2013 18: 01
      +2
      There is a friend of Iran, let him send his experts to gain experience, because he is next. The Russian soldier has nothing to do there, because, on the one hand, on the other, there are rams.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 3 2013 19: 38
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        There is a friend of Iran, let him send his experts to gain experience, because he is next. The Russian soldier has nothing to do there, because, on the one hand, on the other, there are rams.


        While the Alavite enclave on the coast and Tartus are controlled by Assad’s troops, ours will not go there, but what will happen next ... But the fact that they are preparing for such a scenario is taking place ..
        1. 120352
          120352 April 3 2013 21: 36
          0
          Ascetic, what do you dislike about the Alawites? By the fact that they honor Christ and the Virgin Mary?
          And the Russian soldier will not have to do anything. The enemy army is already in our territory. At the command of migrant workers, they will slaughter our civilians in a night and no one will help this population! The police, as always, will try to sit aside, but they will solve it. And the army will remain in the territory of military units, only in a surrounded state. They will sit under siege for a couple of weeks, and then the food will end. And the war too.
          So, if you do not start now, in 2 years it will be too late. And you need to start in Syria. And not to fight for Assad, but for Russia, against ignorant fanatics.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 3 2013 22: 08
            +1
            Quote: 120352
            By the fact that they honor Christ and the Virgin Mary?

            And who does not respect them, especially in Islam !!
            There is no such trend in Islam that would not honor them!
        2. hrych
          hrych April 3 2013 22: 03
          +3
          If the regime falls, then it is possible that small state entities will emerge in the form of Syrian Kurdistan, Alawite and Sunni overtakes. We will be friends with the Alavites.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 3 2013 22: 36
            +3
            Quote: hrych
            If the regime falls, then it is possible that small state entities will emerge in the form of Syrian Kurdistan, Alawite and Sunni overtakes. We will be friends with the Alavites.


            Everything goes to this according to the latest data, they are seriously trying to impose Damascus, on Znamenka, the men are talking about it. Everything is in the balance there now, at any moment the team will arrive, but there is hope that this time we will fight back, and then what? The stalemate situation cannot last forever .. then all interested players are waiting for who will take the first step or make a mistake.
  • zMouze
    zMouze April 3 2013 15: 14
    +5
    Quote: Alexey M
    Shooting about Syria generally amazes me. What are the feds, that the majahideen horseradish otlichish all in a paramilitary form herds run screaming hands waving what is what? There is a grenade launcher next to the people of 5-6 people. A grenade launcher fired a tank in response to 5-6 corpses. If you send a normal personnel army there, then in Syria in a week there will be an exemplary order. And so the men gathered on both sides of the war game to play tanks ride.


    But in fact it is so ... On the one hand it’s stupid: bandits, and on the other hand ordinary men who defend their homes. Yes, there is a weapon, there is a technique, but for the most part these are simple Syrian men.
  • fullpolarfox
    fullpolarfox April 3 2013 16: 44
    -1
    And from the flanks it is necessary to start up the Caterpillar bulldozer - to level the terrain.
  • Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff April 3 2013 16: 50
    -4
    Perhaps this is a statement, it is necessary to report for the money paid. But according to anyone, judging by the video from Syria, the t-72 is not a very safe tank, and something needs to be done.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 3 2013 21: 06
      +1
      Quote: Sleptsoff
      judging by the video

      For this, and for others, you will light _ren! Already said, these are export cars!
      M and S, they have the main reservation and DZ different from the main 72!
      And as you know, not for the better.
  • Strashila
    Strashila April 3 2013 17: 45
    +2
    There is only one problem, tanks love space. Americans with armored vehicles in Iraq during operations in settlements have the same problems as the Syrians, Abrams are burning what is needed. More and more, the question is about the presence of infantry support vehicles in the army. One of the main requirements is the presence of a large-caliber gun with a high rate of fire and a high elevation angle of the gun, with protection from various weapons with cumulative ammunition. Experience has shown that serial machines require additional installation of protection screens from all directions, not only from weapons, but and from large fragments of buildings, protection from small arms of an external machine gun installation or, as an option, its remote control is required. Increasing the vertical viewing angle of observation devices. Our designers need to re-examine their own Afghan and Chechen experience in tank battles in the mountains and towns and to study the experience of Iraq and Syria.
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 April 3 2013 19: 14
    0
    http://youtu.be/6VCMs-TzD2g
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 April 3 2013 19: 17
    0
    http://youtu.be/6VCMs-TzD2g
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 April 3 2013 19: 52
    0
    A tankman was born not just in a shirt but in a tank helmet
    1. Pimply
      Pimply April 4 2013 16: 21
      0
      Sure? There is a definite burn. Just because a man got up and ran does not mean that he survived
  • zinander
    zinander April 3 2013 20: 09
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Perhaps even earlier the engine was turned around, so they threw it, and then they brought the camera and took off heroism.

    and who shot the tank then?

    Really ... a riddle.
  • rassomaha
    rassomaha April 3 2013 20: 11
    +1
    I wonder how much it is possible to collect inter-brigades for 40 Cyprus billion dollars stolen in Russia. or also to recruit all this scum just stupidly to pay more. Let them fight in Ireland or Scotland. Turkey. well, etc. they don’t care. beat the bastards with their own weapons.
    1. domovoi
      domovoi April 3 2013 20: 16
      +1
      it would be a better option to hit the sponsors of the revolutionaries. all the same, this cannon fodder cannot be soaked - they breed faster, but sabotage against the customers of the holiday is an idea. only to anyone is nah do not. until they come directly to the borders - no one pulls a finger
      1. vanya
        vanya April 3 2013 23: 34
        +1
        to smell Syrian chemical weapons in Qatar, just how many problems would be solved
  • 120352
    120352 April 3 2013 21: 10
    +1
    Alas, the war in SYRIA is preparation for a war with Russia. It is obvious. Illiterate Muslim fanatics will fight against us, and they will have no purpose in this war, but to destroy us. And the gloomy Middle Ages will return to earth. Syria today is Spain of the late 30s.
    It will be easier for them to fight against us than for Hitler, since their main forces are already here. These are migrants. Two years later, when there will be even more of them, a team will arrive and in one night they will kill us all.
    What to do? To expel all Muslims from the Russian land, close the border, prepare for street battles, arm the non-Islamic population, which will be destroyed, since there is no one to defend it.
    1. Beck
      Beck April 3 2013 22: 29
      +3
      Quote: 120352
      It will be easier for them to fight against us than for Hitler, since their main forces are already here. These are migrants. Two years later, when there will be even more of them, a team will arrive and in one night they will kill us all. What should I do? To expel all Muslims from the Russian land, close the border, prepare for street battles, arm the non-Islamic population, which will be destroyed, since there is no one to defend it.


      After I was a tankman in my youth, then I became a medic. The above words 120352, in medicine relate to

      A disorder of thinking in which painful representations, reasoning and conclusions that are not true correspond to reality. And in these conclusions the patient is fully, unshakably convinced, and which cannot be corrected. This definition is called Nonsense. And it refers to the primary defeat of thinking, the so-called interpretive delirium. In which logical cognition and rationality suffer. Inadequate judgment is supported by subjective evidence. In this case, the patient’s perception is not disturbed, and he may seem adequate.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic April 4 2013 17: 09
        0
        Quote: Beck
        in medicine relate to

        Nick then why digital?
        And not, for example, Cassandra ? Or, more mundane, Oracle .
        More than sure, this type of reasoning

        Doesn’t belong to mental health, it’s like in a song
        I have health, All my affairs are in order

        bully
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 April 3 2013 21: 18
    +1
    To expel all Muslims from the Russian land, close the border, prepare for street battles, arm the non-Islamic population, which will be destroyed, since there is no one to defend it.
    Bullshit. fool
  • satellite
    satellite April 3 2013 22: 10
    +1
    Snooping around here, I don’t have much to lose but my family (I don’t have accounts with millions of dollars abroad), of course he will hide everyone and rise as one, there will be something terrible a little worse than hell.
  • elmi
    elmi April 4 2013 02: 00
    +4
    I don’t understand why not really take advantage of the experience of Iranian and Iraqi tankmen in protecting tanks: http://img4.topwar.ru/25307-siriyskim-tankistam-nado-vospolzovatsya-opytom-irans

    kih-i-irakskih-kolleg.
  • Competition
    Competition April 4 2013 06: 11
    0
    I really hope that some of our services are helping the Syrians ... or at least they are planning it. It just might be hiding ... But be that as it may, Syria needs help !!!! And it's not even that after them they will tackle us (about which, by the way, there is data from our foreign intelligence), but in the fact that we are tired of seeing how our "Western friends" do whatever they want ... !!! Despite the fact that it is not a secret for anyone what is their main goal in this plan for raskurochivanie the world