Continued construction of the 22350 main frigate

On the forum.airbase.ru web resource, "fresh" photographs of the head frigate of project 2013 Admiral appeared in March 22350 fleet Soviet Union Gorshkov ", which is under construction afloat at the OJSC" Shipyard "Severnaya Verf" in St. Petersburg.

The frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" (serial number 921) was laid for the Russian Navy at the Northern Shipyard 1 February 2006 of the year and launched 29 October 2010 of the year. From the presented photos of March 2013, it can be seen that the ship is still relatively far from the completion of construction.

The lead frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" in the completion of the shipyard "Severnaya Verf". St. Petersburg, March 2013 of the year

The lead frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" in the completion of the shipyard "Severnaya Verf". St. Petersburg, March 2013 of the year

Comments

[klimpopov]

From the photographs presented in March 2013, it can be seen that the ship is still relatively far from completion.

In the photographs presented, nothing is particularly visible ...
You can see that the forests around the superstructure, it’s clear that they work ...

[ups]

I agree, it is clear that the BOOTS are standing, it is really clear that the work is going on)))

[alex-defensor]

I just can’t understand why the sides made by stealth technology are blistering, WHAT did the Tajiks do again ?!!?! RESIDENT, DEMANDING PERFORMANCE AND LANDING.



Yeah, something for a long time ... The Yeltsinoids strongly undermined the country ...

[amp]

Forests can be supplied for painting a ship.
When we painted at home, there were also forests.

[Rustam]

You can see that the forests around the superstructure, it’s clear that they work
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since 2006 work! it’s time to finish! in 2013, God forbid, they will complete + 1 year of testing

total 8 years for a boat with a displacement of 4000 tons


PS- And they are going to build analogs of Mistral to us, in the USA for 8 years they are being built and the aircraft carriers of 100 tons come to the service

For example, photo-French their latest FREMM frigates in 6000 tons from bookmark to first launch in just 3 years, and this is also a completely new project

[Manager]

Quote: Rustam

You can see that the forests around the superstructure, it’s clear that they work
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since 2006 work! it’s time to finish! in 2013, God forbid, they will complete + 1 year of testing

total 8 years for a boat with a displacement of 4000 tons


PS- And they are going to build analogs of Mistral to us, in the USA for 8 years they are being built and the aircraft carriers of 100 tons come to the service

For example, photo-French their latest FREMM frigates in 6000 tons from bookmark to first launch in just 3 years, and this is also a completely new project

THIS IS RUSSIA !!!!

[klimpopov]

They didn’t notice my sarcasm ...

[Rustam]

They didn’t notice my sarcasm ...
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Dear Klim !!! there is no longer sarcasm
excuse me - I certainly could write -Well understand the new project and so on, you have to wait

but they swore that in 2009 he would already go to sea for trials! just when adventurers and random people are at the helm - you cannot live in pink glasses
that's what just kills

look, in 2014 the first Mistral is already arriving - there’s practically nothing to accompany it - that’s the trouble

but why do the Dutch and French build in 3-4 years and keep silent about the USA
and the picture is bleak, that’s why it is necessary to adopt construction technologies and modernize production rather than on paper and not forget about simple hard workers

[klimpopov]

Here are questions on Mistral. Well, he will sail, put to the pier? So what is next?...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Rustam

look, in 2014 the first Mistral is already arriving - there’s practically nothing to accompany it - that’s the trouble

The lack of personal responsibility of managers and officials is where the trouble is, we need control from the state safety council both to customers and contractors.
If the manager does not bear personal responsibility, then what is he paid for?
Failed to fulfill on time, pay a penalty, an apartment in 13 rooms in the center of Moscow for auction and in social housing (15 m per person), in a residential area, impunity strikes irresponsibility. Mistrals are going to build, "Ivan Gren" first finish it, or it will rot at the shipyard.

[evil hamster]

The floor of the mistral is already / still in our Balt factory

[amp]

Both pay and work.

[Rustam]

Both pay and work.
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Pay say? Did you just blurt out it unknowingly, or is it so pure to justify 8 year construction?

have to reveal the secret then and pee the situation as I know it

1- I have always been against monopolists especially in the military-industrial complex and have always advocated competition

2- initially when laying this frigate, the deadline for its delivery was prescribed in the contract mid-2009 !!!! all this happened during the then defense min. comrade Ivanov - Sev Ferf (for some reason) then so many GOZ orders were poured that already knowing people said that they could not cope, and this was a series of corvettes 22380 and frigates 22350 and auxiliary vessels - with 100% financing

2- moreover, the top managers of the Sev shipyard were beating in the chest that everything would be done exactly and on time (we already know a little how goz goes with money - on the example of the Kurganmashzavod they get money and instead of concluding agreements with subcontractors and starting work on such a new product, they simply scroll through them at the banks, earning income, but making the appearance of work for everyone
what is interesting at that moment the Balt plant also struggled for state contracts, which was much more technologically advanced and more advanced, having recently handed over the first series of frigates 11356 to India, but it didn’t obey state structures, and it had to be strangled without giving orders, and then forced to bankrupt sell the owner to the OSK structure

3- I remind you that the deadline (first launch) of Gorshkov is specified in the contract as 2009 - in the west this Northern shipyard was simply forced to pay such penalties for the failure of such a contract that they would gasp and someone would even crouch

You can have a different attitude towards Mr. Serdyukov and his deputies, especially Sukhorukov, but in 2009 they looked that for 3 years the result was zero, they simply threatened the Sev shipyard with problems and ships -After which some movements began

that's all, and you say (hard workers get pennies and someone gets rich enormously)

PS- it’s just that some people from our military-industrial complex are beating in the chest, shouting that give us the order for the state defense order, we will do everything on time and chocolate, and then when the problems begin with fulfillment and especially with quality, they make a sweet smile - and then dissipate the Russian Ministry of Defense (though everyone understands that the same Sev shipyard received these orders for a reason, the Navy has its own people

photos and videos - for example, DAMEN built a series of SIGMA corvettes and frigates for the Navy of Morocco, built by the Dutch in just 4 years (the whole series)!

[Shot off]

Rustam, I agree with you in many respects.

1) in production, the monopolist is evil! but a lot of private traders are not always good, on the one hand, of course, competition, on the other, remember at what prices private powder plants sold their products in the First World War (2-3 times more expensive than state ones) during the Russian Empire. Probably the best solution would be that in which any plant producing military products was owned by the state for 50% (to control prices, quality) in the form, for example, or Preference shares from the state and ordinary shares from the private owner or ordinary shares from the state and Managment shares from a private trader. Of course, for the system to work, it is necessary to reduce the level of corruption by at least an order of magnitude ....

2), 3) - I absolutely agree.

[vadson]

good day, yesterday, on the mailbox, the guy expressed one thought, like let them, even though more than 50% will not be state, BUT enterprise management must be in state bodies, profit for shareholders, products for the state. then you look and bankrupt will not be profitable

[Papakiko]

Quote: vadson

profit to shareholders, products to the state. then you look and bankrupt will not be profitable

Then in general anarchy will be complete!
Shareholders-co-owners will not give a dime for modernization-updates.
We need real personal responsibility of managers-officials, starting from property and ending with their heads on the chopping block! And not a single person, but all "interested" persons, there will be a dozen or so individuals.

[Alekseev]

1- I have always been against monopolists especially in the military-industrial complex and have always advocated competition
[/ Quote]
We do not have a dozen shipbuilding enterprises to breed competition within the country.
Internal competition is not always useful. Example - 3 types of MBT in service with the SA.
But there is room for competition!
This is a competition with global manufacturers of similar weapons.
And uncles are effective managers who have been building frigates for 7 years (aircraft carriers are modernizing too ) should not get colossal little money, but should use a jigsaw to cut the forest in the vast expanses ... Compete with the forest machine.
Here you have good competition!
But here (as in the most ordinary competition) one more absolutely necessary link is needed. Master. And it’s not to be seen.

[queen]

Quote: Alekseev

And uncles are effective managers who build frigates for 7 years

maybe start shooting?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Rustam

video - for example, DAMEN

Thank you for the video, beautifully shot.

[77bor1973]

The fact of the matter is that salaries at the shipbuilding enterprises of St. Petersburg are one of the highest, the attitude towards their orders has simply changed, while the Gorshkov is being built for the Indians, two frigates would have been built, it is necessary to personify responsibility and organize the work of military representatives and not simple "pawns" and so that when they appeared, the entire management of the enterprise was shaking with "small shivers"!

[Evgeniy46]

Quote: Rustam

c 2006 years work! it’s time to finish! in 2013, God forbid, they will complete + 1 year of testing the result of 8 years for a ship with a displacement of 4000 tons

if anything, then the first 11356 for our Navy will soon leave our stocks. So the lag on 22350 is not so critical

[silver_roman]

Yes, BUT you look at the timing of the same 11356 for India and for the Russian Federation. what kind of mess is this ??? for the Indian Navy launching took place a little more than 1 year after the date of laying. We have been stretching for almost 3 years! This is unthinkable.

[leon-iv]

So it was not necessary to try to shove the non-shoved into such a small ship.

[avt]

Quote: leon-iv

So it was not necessary to try to shove the non-shoved into such a small ship.

In in! Admirals were told that it was necessary to build 11356 both cheaper and faster. So no, give that, I don’t know what. I don’t intercede for USC, but this and the example of Ivan Gren is very revealing.

[evil hamster]

Oh, and on the red feed for 1 year 10 dry cargo ships were built and each of them has 7500 displacement

[Vanek]

Quote: klimpopov

, it seems that they work ...

IBD - Simulation of Stormy Activity.

Klim

[Armata]

Pay attention to the quality of welding sheets. FUUUUUUUUUU below the baseboard

[leon-iv]

so right now so fashionable

[755962]

Oh long brothers for a long time ... This is a schedule like this either ...... If "or", then it looks like some kind of sabotage ... Long harnessing .....

[Vanek]

No matter what. But, damn it, for a long time. Long build.

was laid for the Russian Navy at the "Severnaya Verf" February 1 2006 years and launched on October 29, 2010. From the photographs presented in March 2013, it can be seen that the ship is still relatively far from completion.

In red. Today is April 2, 2013. They’ve been building it for seven years. Long.

Hello to everyone.

[Backbone]

As always: dirt, ruins, appearance of work in one word.

[Dangerous]

Where did you see the ruins? A pile of mud is snow that is raked in winter. And dirt is such a climatic zone, now what. But the fact that this whole story has been dragging on since 2006 does not really please

[Deniska999]

Complete sabotage, guilty to the wall and nothing else!

[Apollo]

Media: Putin banned the repair of warships at foreign shipyards

Russian President Vladimir Putin rejected the offer of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to send Russian warships for repair to foreign shipyards, a source in the military department told Izvestia. According to Shoigu, now 80% of over 1 thousand Russian combat and support vessels have exhausted their resources and are being operated beyond the overhaul periods. “According to the military, Russian shipyards are not able to provide repair and maintenance of all ships”

At the same time, under the State Arms Program, up to 2020 of the year, it is planned to repair all 65 warships, 12 special and 62 auxiliary vessels. At the same time, instead of obsolete vessels, it is planned to build 113 warships, eight - special and 65 support vessels.
At the same time, according to the military, Russian shipyards are not able to provide repair and maintenance of all ships. So, according to the Ministry of Defense, in the 2012 year, the United Shipbuilding Corporation, which combines almost all of the Russian shipyards and shipyards, did not complete the repair of six and service on 157 ships and ships of the Russian Navy.
more details http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/4/2/626926.html

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Yes, it’s always like this with us, the laborers grab it, and then they slam their eyes, supposedly blyuyuschaya happened so, the captain!

[viruskvartirus]

And I think Shoigu offered him this. The authorities of Sevastopol are offering to repair the ships of the Russian fleet at Sevmorzavod http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/5745/ and immediately received a short answer)) lately our presidents.

[Trailer]

Such a question: what is heard about Ivan Gren and about mine minesweepers in a single plastic case?

[Vanek]

Quote: Karavan

one-piece plastic case?

Well, maybe not plastic ..........

[Dima67]

Hello everybody. Others have long been time to lay. And this one should ALREADY be on combat duty.

[Dart weyder]

yes - a bit too long ...... by the way - the question is - why is the superstructure plating on our ships so "clumsy" - the stiffeners all glow, you can see all the profiles !? it is like a "signature handwriting" - or mother-of-it-so, anyhow "floated"! ???

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Lightweight Vriant!

[viruskvartirus]

I looked at it along the way some kind of coating can this http://rus.ruvr.ru/2012_10_13/Rossijskie-voennie-korabli-stanut-menee-zametnimi/

[silver_roman]

It’s as if it’s probably too early to apply such a coating. it’s a ready-made ship to cover before going to sea, when all the finishing work is completed. Okay, they’re still putting the equipment inside. but in the same forests it’s clear that TYPE is still in full swing!

[silver_roman]

yeah ... I agree and still hoped for some bubbles! there are no words.
Looks like a cut on the dough! this is typical

[120352]

The frigate is great! He even has a cannon. Sotochka. Or two. The battery, of course, does not pull, but without fish, you yourself understand ... Against the "Tigers" and "Panthers", of course, it is not enough, but the infantry can be frightened by fragmentation.
And when will the fleet begin to revive? Or aren't we already?
There would be a few heels of aircraft carriers, and dozens of large landing craft, but modern, and not like "Mistrals" from the performance characteristics of the beginning of the Second World War.

[Zhmurkis]

No, I think it's all about secrecy. This is actually the third ship And to all interested parties they show the boat to various degrees of completion, like only one boat has been under construction for 7 years, but in fact, unfinished ships are dragged off somewhere and completed in secrecy mode, and another boat is put up for review to the interested people, under cover of night, to a similar degree completion. So, you don’t understand anything.

[itkul]

Quote: Zhmurkis

In fact, this is already the third ship winked. And to all interested people they show the ship to various degrees of completion, like only one boat has been built for 7 years, but in fact, unfinished ships are dragged off somewhere and completed in secret mode,

Alternatively, you can build one, and take money for a few, know yourself re-stick stickers with numbers on the sides

[fastblast]

I also drew attention to the trim. Perhaps this is a new technology, something like "stealth"))
In fact, it’s good that they are building, it’s good that there is work, and new vessels and more are coming out.
But, the pace must be increased.

[Snegovok]

Somebody will tell me about metal and should be like this ... "HORSE" ????

[ilichstar]

it is also very embarrassing .. although maybe "toilet paper relief" is a new word in camouflage!

[viruskvartirus]

Answered above ... "Project 22350 frigates are typical ships of a long-wing design, with a solid superstructure made using composite structural materials based on polyvinyl chloride and carbon fibers (composite materials reduce the level of the secondary radar field of the ship by absorbing and scattering radio waves). frigates are minimized. Thanks to the original architecture of the superstructure and the use of composite structural materials ("stealth"), the effective scattering surface of the ship is reduced, which in turn makes it possible to reduce its radar and optical signature "

[fastblast]

thanks for the answer!
then there was some truth in my joke))

[evil hamster]

Do not mislead people. At 22350, the superstructure is steel, and in some places a little alloy. And the mattress on the sides is now a worldwide phenomenon, the struggle for weight has reached its climax, and the intercommunication is thin enough to actively warp from welding stresses. This is not only with us.

[Mhpv]

Quote: Dart Weyder

yes - a bit too long ...... by the way - the question is - why is the superstructure plating on our ships so "clumsy" - the stiffeners all glow, you can see all the profiles !? it is like a "signature handwriting" - or mother-of-it-so, anyhow "floated"! ???

These are traditions that have been in the fleet since Soviet times.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

This frigate is simply saturated with the latest systems. By its novelty it can be compared with Zumwalt. that's why they build it for a long time.

[Hius-124]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

This frigate is simply saturated with the latest systems. By its novelty it can be compared with Zumwalt. that's why they build it for a long time.

Let me guess: Spice? LSD or mushrooms? The article is more of an obituary than news, it is regrettable to read all this.

[evil hamster]

Man, by the way, is right.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

There is not a bunch of new weapons there, the automated control system is completely new, plus more details. The minus seems to me of our new frigates and corvettes in the fact that their weapons were overloaded. They became too expensive and non-mass, and such ships should be massive.

[viruskvartirus]

If we talk about frigates, then we need to add such food for the mind of the Zorya state enterprise - Mashproekt shipped a power unit for a frigate class ship to a Russian customer
http://vpk.name/news/87058_gp_zorya__mashproekt_otgruzilo_rossiiskomu_zakazchiku
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[stalkerwalker]

These are also "flowers" ......

"Yagodka" can be seen at "Yantar" in Kaliningrad - the hull is bare, without a superstructure - they have not been able to finish building for 20 (TWENTY) years ...

[evil hamster]

They do not finish it. He just stands and awaits his fate.

[valokordin]

They steal, steal, steal endlessly, so the system of theft and feeding from the highest to the lowest level is created and nothing can be done. This will continue until I.V. Stalin. Money got ne done to the wall, Dengi got ne done to the wall. He deceived the state for 10 years without the right of correspondence with confiscation of property and the assignment of the title ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE. Only in this way can this abomination be abated (otherwise repression, repression)

[Irazesh]

In this case, it’s more likely not theft, but desires that overtake opportunities. Well, or both. 11356e quite keep up the schedule.

[mark1]

A good kick to our USC would not hurt, that's for sure. All their deeds can be qualified both as professional inappropriateness and as wrecking and much more, that fantasy will allow, everything will be to the point.

[WWW.budanov]

At first, I would like to recall the saying: "Work is like a stick, there are two ends in it: for people you do - give quality, for the boss you do - give a show." (AI Solzhenitsyn) And then, for people (defense industry) to accept only "quality, quality and only quality!" The "amers" are window dressing, so theirs "F" (airplanes (for sale (!), There are more of these ones than we have), but in no way compete with our "PA" (only 4 pieces). DO NOT rush, men EVERYTHING will be restored, both factories and institutes, and our CONFIDENCE in the future !!!
(old teacher)

[commentor]

Why is the quality of the cladding on the walls of the superstructure so low?
Cellulite hurts the eye.

[WWW.budanov]

I will try to answer you for these "small things", which, unfortunately, are still at our just-recovering factories. The fact is that the shipyard employs not ordinary electric welders, but "hull welders". Obviously, HIGHLY qualified "specialists" work with the underwater part of the hull, where a special technology of welding a metal sheet is necessarily maintained, and this eliminates any "conjugation in welded seams", etc. (WHAT DOES NOT allow the emergence of additional turbulence ", when the ship is moving - due to curved sheets ... etc. OU, and the upper part of the ship is not exposed to such a hydro-flow of water when moving, as under the" waterline ", THEREFORE, trust still NOT very "qualified korpusnikov".
(old teacher. Mor. engineer.)

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: WWW.budanov

THEREFORE, they still trust not very "qualified korpusniks"

Guys ...
I posted it on another forum - it is corny DOES NOT ENOUGH highly qualified personnel in the SSRZ, especially welders.

[itkul]

Quote: stalkerwalker

trivially DOESN'T LESS highly qualified personnel in the SSRZ, especially welders

Well, for Peter, the salary is not very, the more likely they will pay at a minimum.

http://www.ru.nordsy.spb.ru/job/jobs/

Electric Welder RDS
27.09.2012/4/5 Requirements: XNUMX-XNUMX category.
Salary: 25000-40000 rubles.

Hull assembler for metal vessels
27.09.2012/3/5 Requirements: XNUMX-XNUMX category.
Salary: 20000-50000 rubles.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: itkul

Well, for Peter, the salary is not very, the more likely they will pay at a minimum

And I can't imagine who would "assemble" the ships at the MOSCOW shipyards ...

[commentor]

Thanks for the reply.
Is the superstructure sheathing not carbon fiber on this project?

[jagdpanzer]

you need to do this: appoint a responsible person in the event of a breakdown (and this is a serious matter) to the wall! LOOK whether they want to take

[evil hamster]

Here is a fram.

Here is a daring

Here you go

So get off the pot lining everything on it is in the order of things

[PLO]

it's all photoshop

[UAZ Patriot]

Duc it is clear! If the ship’s protection doesn’t work, then no armor plates will help in the current conditions. it makes sense to sculpt so much iron on the casing + affecting the mass of the ship!

[SANAY]

Beautiful ship. So it’s clear, though they blocked the forests, of course.

[Rustam]

No comment !! And how it all started well

http://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/sudostroitelniy_zavod_severnaya_verf_zalozhi
l_golovnoy_fregat_proekta_22350_dlya_vmf_rf.html

OJSC Shipbuilding Plant Severnaya Verf laid down today the lead frigate of project 22350. According to PRIME-TASS, according to the chief builder of the project, Dmitry Silantyev, the cost of the ship will be about $ 300 million, in the project there is a high percentage of novelty - at least 30% of new technologies The frigate will be commissioned in 2009. According to the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Masorin, this will be a series of ships in the near and far sea zone. "This is a modern ship with powerful weapons. The ship was named Admiral of the Soviet Union Fleet Sergei Gorshkov."