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To reach the EEC, or what will be the boundaries of the Eurasian Economic Union?

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Representatives of the Customs Union of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus announced that by the autumn of next year, an agreement on the creation of a Eurasian Union, which would become the final model of economic integration, could be signed by all three parties. The transitional elements of this integration today are the Customs Union and the Common Economic Space. The main innovations of the entry of countries into the Eurasian Economic Union are not only single tariffs and technical regulations, but also a single banking system together with a single currency and common labor legislation. The plan for the creation of the Union is planned to submit by this summer.


To reach the EEC, or what will be the boundaries of the Eurasian Economic Union?


And if with technical regulations and tariffs everything can be settled quite quickly, although today Belarus and Kazakhstan, unlike Russia, are not members of the World Trade Organization, then with the introduction of a single union currency, certain problems may arise. Today, each of the countries of the Customs Union has its own currency. These currencies can be represented in the following ratio: the Russian ruble is equal to 279,4 Belarusian rubles and equal to 4,85 Kazakh tenge. However, the difficulties here are not at all in the exchange rate for each other. The main difficulty lies in the fact that at least two states will have to abandon their national currencies and move to a new monetary unit for trading.

Russian economists argue that in the present conditions it would be advisable not to invent a certain new currency unit for the three states, but to switch to using the Russian ruble. At the same time, Russia could “share” emission centers. One of the additional ones could have been located in Minsk or Astana, which would have allowed them to dismiss claims to Russia.

Such claims, by the way, appear now. Nationalist forces in Kazakhstan are trying to do everything to prevent the integration of the republic with Russia. One of the arguments, according to which Kazakhstan should not enter into close integration with the Russian Federation, is the judgment that Russia is going to seize the entire economy of Kazakhstan along with its successes of recent years. However, these pseudo-economic concerns do not hold water. The idea of ​​creating the Eurasian Economic Union is based on the creation of a single banking system, which will become an effective regulator so that no one in the Union starts dragging the blanket over himself. Market mechanisms simply will not allow one state of the Eurasian Union to rise to some extent economically at the expense of another. And is it possible to imagine the long-term effectiveness of any union, if in one of its capitals the authorities cherish hopes for total supremacy on the entire Union territory. The experience of the European Union has vividly demonstrated that it is simply impossible to integrate with an eye to enriching some due to the impoverishment of others. This formula is a priori aimed at the final disintegration. That is why it is not necessary to assume that the construction of the Eurasian Union will be based on some insurmountable differentiation and aim at the rule of Russia or any other country of the Union. Over time, a new currency of an economic conglomerate could appear, but after the Union demonstrates its viability.

After the information that Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan are ready to integrate even more closely, the conversations about whether the Eurasian Union will be an open territorial entity, or whether new members are not included, began to show themselves more often. If you are guided by the position of the official authorities, then the economic conglomerate, it seems, will not close on three states. In principle, any state that brings its legislation under the norms of the EEC may eventually become a member of it if other members of the EEC are interested in this. But the problem is that far from all the leaders of those countries whose peoples are fighting for integration in the post-Soviet space are ready to take the path of making certain legislative decisions. The same Tajik president cannot decide whether he is ready to lead Tajikistan along the path of integration with the Customs Union or is not ready. According to the latest information, they say in Dushanbe that they would be happy to start the procedure of joining the CU, but Tajikistan has no common border with the Customs Union, and therefore the Tajik authorities are waiting for Bishkek to show itself ... Not everything is fine with Bishkek either. On the one hand, there is a desire of the Kyrgyz authorities to begin deep integration with the Customs Union, but, in fact, no serious legislative measures in this direction have yet been taken.
It should be noted here that the Prime Minister of Kyrgyzstan, Jantoro Satybaldiev, recently said that Kyrgyzstan had an indispensable desire to join the CU, having received for this preliminary observer status. For this to happen, all three member states of the Customs Union must give good.

Based on this, we can assume that Kyrgyzstan will still be in the Customs Union. How profitable will it be for Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, given the current state of the Kyrgyz economy? - while the question. As a question, how Moscow, Minsk and Astana will straighten the economic situation in Kyrgyzstan if Kyrgyzstan joins the CU, and then, possibly, into the Eurasian Economic Union. If this is done according to the type of EU lending, then nothing good, judging by the situation in Europe, it definitely will not end ... In this case, you will have to look for other ways. Let us hope that allied officials already have the outline of such paths.

The question of integration with the Customs Union, and subsequently the Eurasian Union, of the Central Asian republics, of course, is interesting and important, but no less interesting is the question of whether Ukraine will take the path of integration. The last meeting of Vladimir Putin and Viktor Yanukovych did not give definite answers. The Ukrainian president said something confused about what Kiev would think, and the Russian president made it clear that the integration train could leave if Kiev thought too slowly ...

The acute gas issue, which once again arose between Russia and Ukraine, today shows that Ukraine is clearly not going to take integration steps. True, in Kiev, large Russian business is accused of unwillingness to stand on the integration rails. Here, the scythe of some ambitions, in all likelihood, found the ambitions of others on a stone. Gazprom, apparently, for the sake of Ukraine’s compliance, stated that the gas traffic to Europe through Ukraine is becoming less and less attractive for it, since alternative branches of blue fuel delivery to the European Union have appeared. At the same time, the Ukrainian prime minister, Azarov, said that until today Moscow had been selling gas to Ukraine at an exorbitant price of 530 dollars for 1 thousand cubic meters (based on the so-called "Tymoshenko's agreements"). In fact, the price of Russian gas for Ukraine is not at all 530 dollars per thousand cubic meters, but 406 (for February). So Azarov is clearly exaggerating ...

Germany, for example, after the commissioning of the Nord Stream receives Russian gas at about 375 dollars.
This price, negotiated in the contract, clearly does not suit Kiev, and therefore the Ukrainian authorities decided to inflict on Russia, unwilling to revise the terms of the contract without Ukraine’s desire to enter the CU, with a kind of counterstrike. It lies in the fact that Ukraine will buy the so-called reverse (reverse) gas from European countries: Germany, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland. At the same time, the price of this gas for Ukraine will be in the corridor from 380 to 404 dollars for 1000 cubes. There is a difference? For the Ukrainian leadership, apparently, it is great.

The first gas supply "backyards" to Ukraine has already gone. If you outline the route of these supplies, it looks very specific. Russian gas through the “Nord Stream” turns out to be in Germany, and from there through the pipe, through which it flows back to Ukraine when it flows into Europe. This seems to be nonsense, but it is precisely this ornate version of gas supplies to Ukraine for Kiev that turns out to be cheaper than directly from Russia ... With this “horse-riding” the official authorities of Ukraine are going to make Russia understand that you need to do something with fuel prices ...

In such conditions, it is necessary to consider questions about the economic integration of the CU and Ukraine without leaving the negotiating tables until a position that suits everyone is found. If this series of mutual demarches of Russia and Ukraine does not stop, then, obviously, the Eurasian Economic Union will eventually begin its work without Kiev. And Kiev itself will already be in an interesting position: the position between the two unions - European and Eurasian, the first of which they do not take, the second - for some unintelligible reasons, it does not yet want to join ... In general, someone needs to do The first step to meet, stepping over their ambitions.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 07: 48 New
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    And what do we actually lose if Ukraine continues to compass brains with the vehicle? It’s okay, even if Ukraine signs with the EU. What does it want there, eventually Kiev will be left with nothing and in a year will join the Customs Union on any terms or fly into the economic abyss with the EU. Already tired of convincing Ukraine of the benefits, constantly treading water on the spot without progress. Let them themselves enter wherever they want.
    1. krasin
      krasin April 2 2013 08: 10 New
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      You should not drag Ukraine into the TS. They have their own vision of the future. They have the main thing to build difficulties in order to overcome later. But they are to blame for this.
      So they live with hope for a European gingerbread! You will not be forcibly sweet.
    2. krasin
      krasin April 2 2013 08: 11 New
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      Do not drag Ukraine into the TS. They have their own vision of the future. They have the main thing to build difficulties in order to overcome them later. But they are to blame
      So they live with hope for a European gingerbread! You will not be forcibly sweet.
    3. krasin
      krasin April 2 2013 08: 12 New
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      Do not drag Ukraine into the TS. They have their own vision of the future. They have the main thing to build difficulties in order to overcome them later. But they are to blame for this - the Russians.
      So they live with hope for a European gingerbread! You will not be forcibly sweet.
      1. Kolya
        Kolya April 2 2013 10: 14 New
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        The Ukrainian oligarchs have their own vision of the future, and the people of Ukraine are always together with the people of Russia. It is necessary to sharply aggravate relations with Kiev, but at the same time go towards rapprochement with the people, give Ukrainians Russian passports and tax the export of money from Russia.
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus April 2 2013 15: 20 New
          +7
          It is necessary to sharply aggravate relations with Kiev, but at the same time go towards rapprochement with the people That's right, we do so, I have a Ukrainian bride, and Sevastopol wakes up to belong to our children in any way
        2. Good Ukraine
          Good Ukraine April 2 2013 19: 32 New
          +7
          drinks
          Quote: Kohl
          Ukrainian oligarchs have their own vision of the future, and the people of Ukraine are always together with the people of Russia

          I fully support. Our thieves of national importance are very afraid that what will happen to them will happen to thieves in Russia. (Berezovsky, Gusinsky, NPO, Nemtsov, Udaltsov, Basement, etc. etc.)
          Let there be OUR UNION !!! And do not care what it will be called.
        3. morpex
          morpex April 2 2013 21: 22 New
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          Quote: Kohl
          The Ukrainian oligarchs have their own vision of the future, and the people of Ukraine are always together with the people of Russia.

          That's right. There's nothing to add ....
          Quote: Kohl
          It is necessary to sharply aggravate relations with Kiev, but at the same time go towards rapprochement with the people

          And here the stick is at both ends .. The tougher Moscow and Kiev are, the harder it is for an ordinary citizen of Ukraine. In the end, everything affects us. Because we are the last link in the chain. And they raise taxes for us both for gas and for oil, and even the devil knows that ... But Yanukovych and his ilk are all fucked up. They only get richer every year. Hence my suspicions, and not just the team ours and your gentlemen? If the Amers really want anywhere in the world, they make any revolution for themselves. And we can try it out. Do you think that Putin has no way to do something similar in Ukraine? Dull pressure only aggravates the gap between us. But along the way your masters are comfortable with this. Or am I mistaken? And Putin is not as omnipotent as he is trying to seem?


          Quote: Kohl
          give Ukrainians Russian passports

          The idea is good. And the meaning?

          Quote: Kohl
          while taxing the export of money from Russia.

          Yeah. Pick up those pennies that people honestly earned with their hump. Do you think this will add to Russia's popularity?
          1. zardoz
            zardoz April 3 2013 04: 20 New
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            Quote: morpex

            Quote: Kohl
            give Ukrainians Russian passports

            The idea is good. And the meaning?


            By the way, in Lugansk obtaining a Russian passport is a fairly common occurrence. True, we have a border here
        4. imperiolist
          imperiolist April 2 2013 21: 36 New
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          Well, why, Kiev may well join the European Union in 2113, and then Georgia will catch up in 50 years. The truth is that the European Union will change somewhat by then. There will be very clean air because all the factories will move to China. There will be no national issue because the population of 95% will consist of Arabs and Negroes, the remaining 5% of Caucasians (mainly gays and lesbos) will be accommodated in the reservation and national parks, you can look at them for only five yuan. There will also be no light, gas and water because there is not enough money to buy all this in the new USSR)
      2. Quiet
        Quiet April 2 2013 19: 05 New
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        But the Russians are to blame for this.

        Russian consider all the former republics of the USSR guilty !!!! All at one time yelled that they feed the Russian Federation. Time has put everything in its place ..... hi
      3. Polytechnic
        Polytechnic April 2 2013 22: 54 New
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        In / in Ukraine there are also quite a few Russians, almost half of the country.
    4. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak April 2 2013 08: 15 New
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      Alexander Romanov "Nothing, even if Ukraine signs with the EU. What does it want there? As a result, Kiev will remain at the trough and will join the CU on the conditions in a year."
      I agree. I think the time of negotiations with Ukraine has passed. They do not dictate the conditions. They will enter on those conditions that will be presented to them at that time. So that they should not have any preferences. And if you don’t want to ...
      That ... you do not want to give your daughter-have her yourself ...
      Again, it depends on our leadership hehe, otherwise they will cry and accept ... a joke.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron April 2 2013 09: 48 New
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        Quote: Nagaibak
        They do not dictate the conditions.

        But this is the key phrase.
        That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 2 2013 10: 04 New
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          Quote: Skavron
          That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.

          Tired of nagging myself.
          Good luck, good luck!
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 2 2013 10: 18 New
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            Quote: ATATA
            Tired of nagging myself.

            Who is against it?
            Do not tremble.
            1. sergius60
              sergius60 April 2 2013 14: 32 New
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              You are probably a resident of Kiev. Or in some office we are snooping around. And you don’t want to understand - the REAL ECONOMY will be bent - there will be NOTHING to manage-share to "effective managers". Have you ever been in production? And with this scrap you intend to conquer European markets? Throw yourself on a trip to Zaporozhye. "Industrial flagship of Ukraine", God forgive me, for my obscene thoughts ...
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 2 2013 15: 27 New
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                No, I'm Donetsk.
                In a way, a manager.
                My company is working successfully.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac April 2 2013 20: 41 New
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                  Quote: Skavron

                  No, I'm Donetsk.
                  In a way, a manager.
                  My company is working successfully.

                  Well, share with the people what produces "your enterprise"?
                  1. Skavron
                    Skavron April 2 2013 22: 31 New
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                    Quote: Setrac
                    What does "your enterprise" produce?

                    construction equipment
          2. edge
            edge April 2 2013 19: 54 New
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            Quote: ATATA
            That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.

            you will live under German-British dictation, it’s not at all sugar .... half of Europe already hiccups ...... banks in Cyprus are shallow, Greece is being forced to sell the islands .........
        2. ughhh
          ughhh April 2 2013 10: 22 New
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          That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.

          Well, they themselves would have offered something, so no - only screams about expensive gas are heard. "We will be friends with you, so be it, but we need gas at the Belarusian price. Actually, everything we offer ..."
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 2 2013 11: 00 New
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            Quote: ughhh
            only cries of expensive gas are heard.

            Everyone hears what he wants to hear. )))
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 27 New
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              Quote: Skavron
              Everyone hears what he wants to hear.

              Well, about the loss of independence laughing
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 2 2013 11: 34 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well, about the loss of independence

                Oh hell ... how did I forget that)))))))))))
                1. Quiet
                  Quiet April 2 2013 20: 02 New
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                  Well, about the loss of independence

                  Oh hell ... how did I forget that)))))))))))

                  ... a fairy tale about something that never happened !!!!! lol

                  Minus me, Skavron !!!!!
                  1. Skavron
                    Skavron April 2 2013 22: 32 New
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                    Oh, tokmo "minus" charge)
                    1. Quiet
                      Quiet April 3 2013 19: 25 New
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                      Help ??? Right now, ink dragging !!!! bully
        3. andrejwz
          andrejwz April 2 2013 11: 19 New
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          Quote: Skavron
          But this is a key phrase. For some reason we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.

          And what do you expect that Ukraine will always be able to behave like a moody child? The more Russia indulged the desires of Kiev, the more demand grew, and in return what? Textbooks with yami-invaders? Russia has taken a tough policy and set clear conditions. If you want not to stay on the sidelines - asks for favors, do not want to - see how in the Ukrainian parliament the chosen ones share a piece of fat, share, cannot share.
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 26 New
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          Quote: Skavron
          That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.

          So you will live under the dictation of the EU, there will definitely be dictation there.
          It is strange that the peoples of Belarus and Kazakhstan, having joined the Customs Union, do not live under the dictation of Moscow, but Skavron wink
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 2 2013 11: 35 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            So you’ll live under the dictation of the EU,

            What for?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It is strange that the peoples of Belarus and Kazakhstan, having joined the Customs Union, do not live under the dictation of Moscow, but Skavron

            I’ve heard something several times lately from the Kazakhs that the TS is no longer as needed as before
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 45 New
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              Quote: Skavron
              What for?

              Probably not why. Why!
              Quote: Skavron

              I’ve heard something several times lately from the Kazakhs that the TS is no longer as needed as before

              Whose arguments are the Natsiks, they always shout the same thing. There are people from Kazakhstan and Belarus on the site and ask them which of them lives under the dictation of Russia.
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 2 2013 12: 03 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                .There on the site there are people from Kazakhstan

                Here on the site someone with the Kazakh flag wrote about this.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 12: 19 New
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                  Quote: Skavron
                  Here on the site someone with the Kazakh flag wrote about this.

                  Natsik, so he will write worse than Tigibko. There is an Internet, there are other forums, is it really so difficult to talk through Saits and listen to people?
                  1. Skavron
                    Skavron April 2 2013 12: 32 New
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                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    There are people from Kazakhstan on the site

                    The question you raised so?
                    Here on the site. According to the site and answered
                    I'm not going to climb the forums. Have Skype. There are enough acquaintances in Kazakhstan to draw conclusions. A lot of cautious statements in the direction of Russia and the CU. No, I won’t say that I would strongly criticize, but there are no special enthusiasms among my friends and acquaintances.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars April 2 2013 14: 12 New
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                      Quote: Skavron
                      The question you raised so?

                      There is no reason to argue here. This is useless. The topic, like the discussion, was created for one purpose.
                      our leadership will do the same anyway because it will be beneficial to him, we hope that it will be beneficial to our people. I don’t believe that our .. managers who are all connected with business would reject the TS if they could make money. How could I not believe that they they don’t know all the underwater currents of the EU, but the enterprises they have to trade there.
                      the dynamics of development of Belarus and Kazakhstan shows that they are starting to slow down, prices are rising. I will leave the data to the conscience of those who post them.
                      It is also interesting that those who speak out against the TS immediately receive the label Natsik, even though I can’t understand how I can be a Natsik if the countries are national and not the USSR.
                      on creating a unified banking system that will become an effective regulator so that no one in the Union begins to pull the blanket over themselves. Market mechanisms simply will not allow one state of the Eurasian Union to some extent rise economically at the expense of another.

                      Well, this thesis caused a smile. Russia and a market economy at the interstate level))))
                      Thank you all for your attention.
                2. YuDDP
                  YuDDP April 2 2013 19: 16 New
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                  Quote: Skavron
                  Here on the site someone with the Kazakh flag wrote about this.

                  It aksakal - He seeks slaves for himself and does not hesitate to talk about it publicly. (I don’t jerk, I read his posts on this site - ofigel ...)
                  1. Skavron
                    Skavron April 2 2013 22: 34 New
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                    Quote: YuDDP
                    This is aksakal

                    No, well, I don’t particularly remember nicknames.
                    and to be honest, laziness
            2. engineer5
              engineer5 April 2 2013 17: 51 New
              +7
              I am waiting for the time when I can freely go to Russia or Belarus without visas, customs and trampling by the migration police. The Customs Union, I hope, will grow into something more.
            3. Kasym
              Kasym April 2 2013 21: 50 New
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              Skavron Regarding the creation of the vehicle, Nazarbayev counted back in 1993. Some journalist recently wrote an article about the dangers of the CU for the economy of KZ, so now everyone refers to it. As such, there is no opposition in the KZ. In parliament, they cannot even get 5%. A bit of the law was amended and a couple of oppositionists were dragged there to make it appear to be a multi-party system, so that they would shut up their mouths with especially zealous people in the West. And now I’ll try to convey my point of view about the need for a vehicle.
              The economic side.
              1) Energy and electricity. This raises the question of interdependence. For example, coal. Half of the production in the Urals works on our coal. Now our country has no obstacles to the supply of this energy source. We mine uranium (in mining we occupy a leading place in the world), and reprocessing in Russia. This makes it possible for our countries to conduct a full production cycle and jointly enter international markets, rather than selling raw materials. Our gas from Karachaganak goes to Orenburg for processing, and it costs $ 4 billion to process it ourselves. On the other hand, without our gas the plant in Orenburg will rise. Western Kazakhstan exports electricity from Russia, and the Pavlodar CHP supplies it to Russia in the border regions. Now there is the possibility of increasing the capacity of this CHP and the construction of additional boilers. Recently, our prime minister said that over time, KZ will begin supplying electricity to the West. A nuclear power plant in the Caspian will be built (the documents have already been signed). Without a vehicle and Russia this is not possible. But there’s no need to speak of oil. All transit goes through Russia. An oil pipeline to China was just recently built (10 mil. Tons, 5 of which were given to Russia. It completely closes this quota and asks for more. The decision was made to increase capacity to 20 mil. Tons).
              2) Industry. For 16 million people in the KZ, the construction of production facilities is not profitable - we are not a self-sufficient economy (according to theory, a population of 50 million makes it possible to build any production facilities - it will be sold to someone). And with the CU we can build and create any kind of production - this allows the market and the population of the CU countries. For example, we started the auto assembly of KIA, TOYOTA, HENDA, SAN YEN. Before the creation of the TS, they did not go for it. We began to assemble locomotives and rolling stock, helicopters, household electrical appliances, combines and agricultural machinery and more. Now there is where to sell it all. And ALL THESE ARE ALL WORKPLACES AND WELL-BEING OF OUR CITIZENS.
              To be continued.
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 2 2013 22: 36 New
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                this is called cooperation
                this can be done without all kinds of alliances
                main benefit
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 2 2013 22: 52 New
                  +7
                  Skavron What to do with customs excises? In trade, this was a huge deterrent. With the creation of the CU, trade between countries increased by 46%. That’s in general. And if we talk separately about KZ, then this indicator hits 80%.
                2. zardoz
                  zardoz April 3 2013 04: 32 New
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                  That's in the Lugansk region a bunch of mines were closed. This is all because of cooperation :)) In the Donetsk region, I’m not ready to say here you should be better aware.
              2. Kasym
                Kasym April 2 2013 22: 45 New
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                To be continued.
                3) Agriculture and food. TS now gives us the opportunity to develop this area. The development of a targeted rural development program has now begun. households . By the end of the year, this program will be submitted to the government and parliament. Work has already begun on the development of livestock. Climate and land opportunities allow increasing livestock numbers. Before the vehicle, this could be a risky undertaking. And now, as they say, green light. And take the grain. KZ and Russia (still Ukraine) can now jointly influence the world. prices. KZ has recently become the world. leader in the sale of flour. Now we can insure each other in cases of drought. And our peoples may now not be afraid that we will be left without bread. With the latest drought, the KZ kept in the stash of 1 tons of grain. UNESCO once calculated that the territory of the KZ could feed 000 people. I think together with Russia we can influence the world. food markets. And to sell not any kind of GMO, but all-natural products. We have great prospects here.
                4) Trade. KZ does not have access to the oceans, so transit is very important for us. With the creation of the Union, the tariff will be the same, for us this is a big problem. At one time, we built railways along the borders with Russia - about 500 km. . There, it passed through our territory, then across Russia. Passing through Russia, the tariff increased many times and the cost of goods rose sharply. Generally speaking, transit is a corn in our relations with Russia. This issue will finally be resolved.
                5) GDP. KZ last year overtook Ukraine in this indicator. When it happened! Starting conditions, after the collapse of the USSR, were generally far away, even theoretically it was impossible to suppose (KZ took the penultimate place in welfare among the republics of the USSR). All political scientists here predicted war and interethnic clashes.
                The political side.
                1) This is security and the CSTO. There’s nothing to comment on. Together we are strength, and apart from Russia, we are a trifle with which no one will reckon.
                2) Even Russia in the 90s was neglected and humiliated. They twisted their arms as they wanted. Loans with crazy interest are almost enslaved. Enough . It's time to make us reckoned with. So that we ourselves choose how we live and with whom to be friends. Of course, KZ is too weak to influence world politics. But at least through Russia we can put forward our own initiatives and views. This year there will be a G-20 summit in St. Petersburg and, thanks to the invitation of Russia, KZ takes part in it (what to say for 16 mil. KZ is an honor). And KZ is participating there for the second time. Although there is basically a boltalogy.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 2 2013 23: 13 New
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                  Well, lastly. Nazarbayev has repeatedly stated that the future Union and integration will strengthen our sovereignty, make us richer, and increase the welfare of our people. On the one hand, it seems to be nonsense, but if you think about it, it seems to me that he is RIGHT. Because a huge market opens up for us, where it will be possible to compete on equal terms. After all, the main motor for any economy is trade. You can’t bargain with China, there is enough of your own and cheap. Give them only raw materials. KZ is too small and stewing in your garden means stagnation. Europe and America do not need us for nothing - no one is waiting for us there. The state is strong with its citizens. If we are rich and live in prosperity, if I know that my children have a job and a prospect, then, in principle, I do not need anything more, and then I need the UNION. And if we are beggars and walk with outstretched hands, then I do not need such SOVERITITY for nothing.
                  Something like this .
              3. Woodoo
                Woodoo April 3 2013 01: 43 New
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                > in theory, a population of 50 million makes it possible to build any kind of production
                ----------------------------
                In fact, there are 143 in Russia, and this is not enough, analysts say that about 300. In total, like Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine, they persuade the latter in fact.
                This is not only about assembly plants, but in general about conducting research and development. And the goal is to become completely independent, as they were before, only better, taking into account past mistakes.
            4. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny April 8 2013 22: 47 New
              +4
              Skavron, the vast majority of Kazakhs support the creation of the Union. Moreover, the Kazakhs rightly consider themselves generally the initiators of this idea. But! There is a big difference in understanding the future Union. The Kazakhs see this in the form of a confederation, where each region will have its own national-cult policy, while there will be a single foreign policy, army, economy, currency. AND WITHOUT RUSSIFICATION AND COMMUNIST IDEAS! And in Russia, the Union is perceived by the Eurasian Union as the reincarnation of the "RUSSIAN Empire" or as the reincarnation of a communist state. And why the heck are these things to the Kazakh? We need a USSR in which there will be no CPSU and forced Russification. A union in which all the best from the Horde (tolerance), the Soviet Union (scale), normal "capitalism with a socialist face", etc. will be accumulated. We see what problems are in the European Union, we understand why the USSR collapsed (and there were enough problems without Gorbi), and let's HOW USUALLY will live together again taking into account former mistakes and mistakes of our neighbors.

              And about the mentions in the Russian media that the Kazakhs allegedly are outraged by the development of the TS - this is the trouble of the Russian media themselves, which generally do not rummage in the real politics of Kazakhstan. Our authorities themselves created an opposition within the country to demonstrate to the whole world that we have everything in openwork, they say, "there is a Baiterek, an aquarium, a zoo, an opposition, Coca-Cola ... Everything is like in the countries of the West." No one in the people has a clue who is in the opposition, what slogans they have and what they want. Their task is to say something in such a way that formally would look like a voice “against the government”.
              And the Russian media statements of some unknown persons in Kazakhstan expose for some real political force in our country)))))))))
              Real opponents have been running around for a long time abroad)))
        5. nnz226
          nnz226 April 2 2013 11: 38 New
          23
          Yeah, and by some logic, “we want to live under the dictation of the European Union” ?! And he was already in Cyprus and in Greece dictated .... Or, under the dictation of the USA, are they living ??? You can look at the "fraternal" (with the moron Yushchenko) Georgia .... Also, the guys "blossom and smell" - the question is, what does it smell ?! And nezalezhyyyyyeeeeee, right down to the squeak. Svidomo time to understand simple arithmetic: Russia = 1, Ukraine = 0. Together, this = 10, and separately - see above. And zero, he is zero ...
          1. HAIFISCH
            HAIFISCH April 2 2013 12: 27 New
            +2
            What’s true is true, it’s also interesting to get along with the Bulgarians. Ukraine wants to integrate into the EU, let it be only then you will bite your elbows, as practice has shown.
        6. AK44
          AK44 April 2 2013 11: 40 New
          +7
          Quote: Skavron
          That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.

          In any case, you’ll live under someone’s dictation, or under Russian or European. For more than 20 years of independence, you have not learned otherwise.
        7. mark1
          mark1 April 2 2013 15: 51 New
          +4
          Under whose dictation you want to live, live under that, advice to you and love ...
        8. biglow
          biglow April 2 2013 16: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Skavron
          Quote: Nagaibak
          They do not dictate the conditions.

          But this is the key phrase.
          That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.

          More precisely, the inhabitants of Galicia do not want to write, they like to wash toilets in Europe, and you do not give a damn about industry, you cut your whole in Lviv, it remains and to smash everything in eastern Ukraine ...
          1. Mefodiy
            Mefodiy April 2 2013 18: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: biglow
            ... the inhabitants of Galicia do not want to, they like to wash toilets in Europe, and you do not give a damn about industry, you cut your whole in Lviv, it remains to smash everything in eastern Ukraine ...

            Your "love" for the indigenous inhabitants of ZU is probably "here" known to all. And the answer to your thesis is that the owners of the bus (the former LAZ) and the forklift (the former LZA) citizens of Russia and Russians by the last name (to Churkin Ave.) factories "lowered" at whose request? Maybe Tyagnibok ?? Or Putin ??
            What other options can you have?
            1. Egoza
              Egoza April 2 2013 19: 17 New
              +2
              And why did Churkin transfer his enterprise from Lviv to Dnepropetrovsk? Do not tell me? laughing
              1. mankurt
                mankurt April 2 2013 21: 10 New
                +1
                I have already transferred part to Dneprodzerzhinsk. In Lviv, they did not tolerate coercion to interrupt the Chinese brands of spare parts for Ukrainian. Maybe your mentality is closer, closer to Chinese ...
                1. Egoza
                  Egoza April 2 2013 22: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: mankurt
                  Lviv did not tolerate coercion

                  And how many jobs have you lost? How much tax deductions have been lost to the city budget? And again, the Russians are to blame!
            2. Gecko
              Gecko April 2 2013 19: 19 New
              +1
              The State Department fosterlings have no nationality.
            3. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 22: 41 New
              0
              Quote: Mefodiy
              What other options can you have?

              He has no options
              he is so ... a "writer"
            4. Don
              Don April 3 2013 10: 54 New
              0
              Quote: Mefodiy
              factories "lowered" at whose request?

              Well, of course. Personally, Putin ordered to omit. LAZ is experiencing not the best temporary due to the small number of orders. Before Euro 2012, there were many orders, now their number has sharply decreased. In addition, we do not manufacture the engines ourselves, but purchase them from the Yaroslavl Motor Plant (Russia) and Deutz (Germany).
          2. Skavron
            Skavron April 2 2013 22: 39 New
            -7
            Quote: biglow
            they like to wash toilets in europe,

            are you tired of it already?
            Quote: biglow
            you don't give a damn about industry

            To me personally? You are mistaken
            Quote: biglow
            in Lviv

            I am from the Donbass ... and I didn’t have industry in Lviv

            And you’re advised ... don’t upset me with such hysterical comments anymore ... be smarter.
            1. biglow
              biglow April 2 2013 22: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: Skavron

              I am from the Donbass ... and I didn’t have industry in Lviv

              .

              Natsik in Donetsk all visitors, I lived in Donetsk too, the Budyon district.
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 2 2013 23: 16 New
                -7
                Quote: biglow
                Natsik in Donetsk, all visitors, I lived in Donetsk, too, Budyonovsky district
                Listen, get down already, if you can’t adequately communicate
        9. YuDDP
          YuDDP April 2 2013 19: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: Skavron
          That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.

          So no one insists. What are the advantages of Russia from such an alliance?
          On this site, many have a relationship to Ukrainians. And my sister lives in Kharkov. Do not want, do not. What will be the rules of the game by the time you want, no one knows. The local inhabitants believe that then it will be harder and harder. But it's up to you.
        10. boggy
          boggy April 2 2013 22: 00 New
          +4
          Quote: Skavron
          But this is the key phrase.
          That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.

          Panov! Sleep calmly, nobody dictates anything to you. Europe is not up to Ukraine. Russia is poor - poorly trying to solve its problems. As always, she has a lot of them. And in deciding them, he does not count on Ukraine and is trying to bypass it and the same Baltic states.
          I can’t imagine so far what is going to happen to Ukraine, so that it can transform itself from a proeder into a producer itself. Then it will become interesting for both the EU and Russia with its Union
        11. datur
          datur April 2 2013 22: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Skavron
          Quote: Nagaibak
          They do not dictate the conditions.

          But this is the key phrase.
          That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.
          - so you will live under the dictation of geyuropa !!!!!!! yes so harvest petroleum jelly !!!!!! wassat laughing
        12. Polytechnic
          Polytechnic April 2 2013 23: 03 New
          +2
          You tear a phrase out of context by providing it as some kind of dictatorship. They offer to join the union on certain conditions and not Ukraine to set their own conditions. She has a choice. By the way, the EU sets tougher conditions for Ukraine and doesn’t it bother you? Double standards in action?) (I have already written so much scribbled so far)))
    5. Suhov
      Suhov April 2 2013 08: 24 New
      +3
      Ukraine has already been too smart with gas - they threw a pipe through the sea, bypassing the wise guys ...
      Next in line is a new rake - TS ...
      I wonder what will prevail: reason or ambition?
      fool
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 47 New
        +7
        Quote: Sukhov
        I wonder what will prevail: reason or ambition?

        While senility takes over laughing
      2. Quit
        Quit April 2 2013 12: 27 New
        +2
        Everything is simple: the transit cost for SP-19,67 dollars, the transit cost of the Ukrainian GTS is about 2 dollars. So continue to be clever with UP, and the transit cost in the next 20 years will not even come close to the Ukrainian one. So the top, as always take business interests.
        1. Don
          Don April 2 2013 13: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Quit
          It's simple: the cost of transit through the joint venture is 19,67 dollars, the cost of transit of the Ukrainian GTS is about 2 dollars

          And due to what is it suddenly a joint venture is almost 10 times more expensive than the cost of transit? And the cost for whom?
          1. Quit
            Quit April 2 2013 15: 28 New
            0
            Study the documents of the consortium, including the constituent documents and the budget of Gazprom, where all payments are open. I am not involved in enlightenment.
            1. Don
              Don April 3 2013 11: 10 New
              0
              Quote: Quit
              I do not do enlightenment.

              Yes, you do not do enlightenment, you do balabinoly. You are clever one. A joint venture and a joint venture are beneficial to both the Russian Federation and the EU; therefore, they both invest in this money. And people like you are just balabolit about the golden Ukrainian GTS, which soon no one will need. The EU is not going to invest money in it and the consortiums are going to create, but it is going to invest money in UP, but they have already invested in the joint venture.
              1. Quit
                Quit April 3 2013 12: 14 New
                0
                Donik

                Balabol is not the case here, only you, learn not to poke at first, ignoramus, and then get into a conversation if you buy your mind. You, apart from your thoughts, can’t bring a single figure, you haven’t seen a single balance of the consortium, but tell how much is a pack of margarine. You can just as well place inscriptions on the fences here, however, that's what you are doing here.
                1. Don
                  Don April 4 2013 14: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: Quit
                  Balabol is not the case here, only you, learn not to poke at first, ignoramus, and then get into a conversation if you buy your mind. You, apart from your thoughts, can’t bring a single figure, you haven’t seen a single balance of the consortium, but tell how much is a pack of margarine. You can just as well place inscriptions on the fences here, however, that's what you are doing here.

                  It’s not for you to teach me a quintic, and I don’t need to tell my advice that I would not tell you where to go. Well, come on smartass, lay out these documents, you are sculpting about them here. And then while on the fence you only write, without a single proof, but only your empty idle talk.
                  1. Quit
                    Quit April 9 2013 12: 40 New
                    0
                    You’re an ordinary trash, a dosha that you never had a life of arguments, but you can only get personal. What can you prove if you don’t know the elementary? I don’t like my numbers, bring yours, but you don’t have and can’t, because you just don’t have enough brains. That’s what I’m talking about is easily and elementarily proved, but only if people at least read what they’re going to discuss, and you’re just trolling, it means you’re in the furnace until you find alternative numbers.
                    1. zardoz
                      zardoz April 9 2013 16: 28 New
                      0
                      Well, as if you were already hinted that your arguments do not pull at all arguments.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 05: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Quit
          transit cost of the Ukrainian GTS is about 2 dollars.

          Quote: Quit
          transit cost in the next 20 years will not even come close to Ukrainian

          Already, billions of dollars need to be invested in the modernization of the Ukrainian gas transportation system, here you have the interests of business, in 20 years it simply will not exist. The pipes will be stupidly scrapped. These are the interests of business. And given that Gazprom is also the state’s interests, UP will drive gas, and the Ukrainian GTS, well, I wrote above hi
          1. Quit
            Quit April 3 2013 12: 30 New
            0
            Alexander Romanov,

            Speak with numbers, please. I don’t accept conversations, in general, emotional. Modernization of the Ukrainian GTS costs 1,5 billion and is needed only in order to increase throughput and change the pumps to more economical, electric, in order to reduce the consumption of process gas .Gazprom, without a consortium, has already buried at least 8 billion in the joint venture, and the figure will be much larger in the UP. And how are you going to supply gas without an accumulator? You’ll produce gas year-round, but will consume it mainly in the winter. Keep it where you will if there are already not enough storage capacities and the consortium’s project doesn’t have them. And you don’t have to think that someone will pay for it except the Russian Federation: it’s clear that the money will be credit (as with the joint venture) and the payment will be extended for 20 25. I recommend that you study Gazprom’s payments for a joint venture Societe Generale: you will discover a lot of interesting things and get rid of illusions about the interests of the state. Your business, you think it’s necessary to throw money away, throw it away. Success!
            1. zardoz
              zardoz April 3 2013 15: 06 New
              0
              You forgot about the fact that, as unnecessary in the Ukrainian gas transportation system, Ukraine pays for the construction of these very flows. Well, or a competitor is not subsidized as a last resort. As for storage, but in Europe, isn’t there underground storage or in Russia?
      3. morpex
        morpex April 2 2013 21: 49 New
        0
        [quote = Sukhov] Azom Ukraine has already been too smart - they threw a pipe by sea, bypassing the wise guys ..
        Blah-Mucha! Well, now we buy from the Germans and Hungarians cheaper, so what? Tell me who lost here and who won? Through stupid pressure to lose the BIGGEST WHOLESALE BUYER !!!!! I don’t know ... But as a director of the company I would have suspended all the managers for such an egg !!!

        [quote = Sukhov] Next in line is a new rake - TS ... [/ quote]
        Here, CARS said it best for me. Look above.
    6. Skavron
      Skavron April 2 2013 09: 47 New
      -3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I'm tired of convincing Ukraine of the benefits,

      Just arguments are not convincing
      1. ATATA
        ATATA April 2 2013 10: 06 New
        +8
        Quote: Skavron
        Just arguments are not convincing

        Sorry, like that 40 year old virgin.
        Live as you want.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 2 2013 10: 23 New
          -4
          So we live.
          There is no terrorism in Ukraine.
          There is no police regime in Ukraine.
          In Ukraine, I can change my currency and buy phones without a passport.
          Etc. ...
          Come to visit. We will be glad. See how anyone lives where)
          1. Egoza
            Egoza April 2 2013 11: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: Skavron
            In Ukraine, I can change my currency without a passport

            Well, here you "embellished". Just yesterday they showed on TV a story that “grandmother gave her granddaughter 0-grader 50 bucks. She wanted to change them, but she only has a birth certificate. And on the grounds that she has NO PASSPORT, she was refused”
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 11: 20 New
              -5
              Yes xs ... changed without a passport relatively recently.
              Maybe a month ago.
              1. Kimeran
                Kimeran April 2 2013 14: 12 New
                +1
                you can’t buy currency without a passport for more than a year
                and selling from December 2012 seems ....
                1. Skavron
                  Skavron April 2 2013 15: 29 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Kimeran
                  you can’t buy currency without a passport for more than a year and it seems like selling since December 2012 ....

                  more than 2000 ye
                  1. official
                    official April 2 2013 22: 46 New
                    +1
                    Are we definitely in Ukraine alone? Yesterday I bought dollars, only upon presentation of a passport. So is the sale, for a long time ....
                2. El13
                  El13 April 2 2013 16: 33 New
                  +5
                  Guys, take a look, but I don’t have to sell or buy currency for ten years (I don’t think about traveling abroad), although before that I was actively changing it here and there for some reason ... I don’t remember why, but I remember, everyone changed ...
                  1. Marek Rozny
                    Marek Rozny April 8 2013 22: 55 New
                    +3
                    three stages of poverty:
                    1) no money.
                    2) there is no money at all.
                    3) it's time to change the bucks.
              2. karbofos
                karbofos April 2 2013 23: 11 New
                +3
                Damn the guys, they tell you about the benefits of cooperation, about industrial production, about the convenience of moving and choosing a job, and you are talking about a banal currency exchange, buying telephones and a police state. Yes, we have cops now politeness itself. in truth, who about what and lousy about the bath request
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 31 New
            +9
            Quote: Skavron
            There is no terrorism in Ukraine

            The ballot boxes at the stops weren’t exploded in Ukraine. Did you catch the Chechens of the SBU on the territory of Ukraine?
            Quote: Skavron
            There is no police regime in Ukraine.

            There is no arbitrariness, some bribe takers and this is a fact!
            Quote: Skavron
            In Ukraine, I can change my currency and buy phones without a passport.

            With us, if you wish, this can also be done, although Elena answered you at the bottom.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 12: 16 New
              -6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The ballot boxes at the stops weren’t exploded in Ukraine. Did you catch the Chechens of the SBU on the territory of Ukraine?

              Nord Ost and Budennovsk are not in Ukraine.
              She caught Chechens like ordinary bandits. They did not make demands, but simply stupidly got caught. In their place could be members of any organized crime group.
              About the Dnieper answered below.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There is no arbitrariness, some bribe takers and this is a fact!

              Yeah. The arbitrariness of officials-this is no longer arbitrary))))))))
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 12: 24 New
                +4
                Quote: Skavron

                Nord Ost and Budennovsk are not in Ukraine.

                Those who arranged it already are the devils in hell chasing and it was, but this is already gone!
                Quote: Skavron
                . In their place could be members of any organized crime group.

                Do not confuse members of organized crime groups and terrorists.
                Quote: Skavron
                Yeah. The arbitrariness of officials-this is no longer arbitrary)))))

                Now it seems that he spoke about Ukraine about the police regime, but if you want, we have enough arbitrariness of officials and you have it no less, if not many times more.
                1. Skavron
                  Skavron April 2 2013 12: 38 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Those who arranged it already are the devils in hell chasing and it was, but this is already gone!

                  God grant that this would not be anywhere else.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Do not confuse members of organized crime groups and terrorists.

                  I do not confuse. I said that they took them like ordinary bandits. They did not make any terrorist demands. So here I am not confusing anything.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Now it seems that he spoke about Ukraine about the police regime, but if you want, we have enough arbitrariness of officials and you have it no less, if not many times more.

                  There is no police regime in Ukraine)))))))
                  And the arbitrariness of officials is enough everywhere, even in the most "shitty" SyShyA, he is
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 12: 43 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Skavron
                    I said that they took them like ordinary bandits. They did not make any terrorist demands.

                    If they did not take hostages, then the terrorist from this does not become a simple gangster. Before they were taken, they already passed like terrorists.
                    Quote: Skavron
                    There is no police regime in Ukraine))))

                    Do you have any in Russia?
                    1. Skavron
                      Skavron April 2 2013 13: 23 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      then the terrorist from this does not become a simple bandit

                      They did not commit acts of terrorism in Ukraine.
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Do you have any in Russia?

                      No? Well no, then no.
                      So I'm wrong
                      1. Gecko
                        Gecko April 2 2013 19: 26 New
                        0
                        How it all started, how did you brainwash something ...
                        You explain to me the essence of the police state?
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 05: 50 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Skavron
                        They did not commit acts of terrorism in Ukraine

                        If Umarov is caught on the territory of Ukraine or Germany, he will become a bandit because he has not committed a crime on the territory of countries. He will be detained as a terrorist and not otherwise.
            2. Mefodiy
              Mefodiy April 2 2013 13: 26 New
              -4
              So this is your "evil Chechen creeps ...."
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 05: 51 New
                0
                Quote: Mefodiy

                So this is your "evil Chechen creeps ...."

                Yeah, in your independent Ukraine laughing
          3. Apollo
            Apollo April 2 2013 11: 35 New
            +4
            Quote: Skavron
            Etc. ...


            and the Akhmetov Empire ...................
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 12: 06 New
              -2
              ...So what?
              Oligarchs are everywhere.
              Akhmetov, the largest taxpayer in Ukraine.
              And this despite the fact that part of .. hides
            2. opkozak
              opkozak April 2 2013 13: 17 New
              +6
              Akhmetov therefore promoted Yanukovych to the presidency of Ukraine to become emperor. Over the past three years, his fortune has grown from $ 5,8 billion to $ 22,3 billion ($ 2013, 26th place in the world, Bloomberg version). And this is in such a poor country as Ukraine.
          4. Don
            Don April 2 2013 11: 43 New
            +6
            Quote: Skavron
            In Ukraine, I can change my currency and buy phones without a passport.

            In which country do I need to buy a phone with a passport?
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 11: 59 New
              -1
              Quote: Don
              In which country do I need to buy a phone with a passport?

              In Russia, and Simka, too
              1. Mihailo
                Mihailo April 2 2013 12: 32 New
                +4
                long been in Russia ?? and where did you buy the phone with your passport ??????? balabol!
                1. Skavron
                  Skavron April 2 2013 12: 45 New
                  -1
                  In Stavropol. Very recently.
                  So who is the balabol here?
                  1. Don
                    Don April 2 2013 14: 08 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Skavron
                    In Stavropol. Very recently.

                    And the first thing they immediately decided to buy a SIM card?
                    1. Skavron
                      Skavron April 2 2013 15: 30 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Don
                      And the first thing they immediately decided to buy a SIM card?

                      And what for me roaming? )
                      1. Don
                        Don April 3 2013 14: 30 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Skavron
                        And what for me roaming? )

                        It’s strange. When we went to Stavropol, to Rostekhnadzor, we bought a SIM card without a passport.
              2. AK44
                AK44 April 2 2013 19: 43 New
                +4
                At the expense of the phone bullshit, and you can’t buy a SIM card without a passport, at least in a communication salon, and you won’t restore it. Personally, this does not bother me.
              3. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 05: 52 New
                +4
                Quote: Skavron
                In Russia, and Simka, too

                Yes, this is an argument for not joining the vehicle laughing
          5. skeptic
            skeptic April 2 2013 11: 48 New
            +5
            Quote: Skavron
            There is no police regime in Ukraine.


            Damn, does he really exist in Russia? So here he is, what a reindeer!
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 12: 00 New
              -5
              Well, they inspected me from Rostov and Stavropol about 6 traffic cops. (the car was with Russian numbers)
              1. skeptic
                skeptic April 2 2013 12: 40 New
                +4
                Quote: Skavron
                Well, they inspected me from Rostov and Stavropol about 6 traffic cops. (the car was with Russian numbers)


                Well, it depends on what and at what speed to ride. Several times I went to Adygea, last year, not to mention the Rostov, Volgograd region, Krasnodar Territory. no one ever stopped. The main problem is the repair of the highway, due to traffic jams, sometimes we had to go at an unsteady speed, as we would like. Therefore, either you exaggerate your suffering, or that something you really had was not in order. When riding without breaking, we can safely ride and no arbitrariness.
                1. Skavron
                  Skavron April 2 2013 12: 46 New
                  0
                  Merce Vito. Ukrainian rights, they stop at the post, checking documents well, and off we go ... salon ... trunk.
                  Yes, I’m not a terrorist, I’m going to visit !!! )
                  1. edge
                    edge April 2 2013 20: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: Skavron
                    Ukrainian rights, they stop at the post, checking documents well, and off we go ... salon ... trunk

                    my friend, you had to straighten out either Russian or international rights .... otherwise you want to ride with worthless left-handed papers (the degree of validity of documents is negotiated by interstate agreements)
                  2. zardoz
                    zardoz April 3 2013 04: 58 New
                    +2
                    Here and in Ukraine from Lugansk to Crimea they can stop so many times with Ukrainian numbers and Ukrainian rights. And in Russia - we went to Moscow and then to St. Petersburg, stopped only twice. We went with Ukrainian numbers.
              2. AK44
                AK44 April 2 2013 21: 14 New
                +2
                Three times I traveled along the Kostroma-Saratov route and back. Once stopped for speeding. They found out that I am a soldier, they released me without a fine, and even wished a happy journey. Although I agree, this is probably an exception. Although the Ukrainian traffic cops or how they are called you have heard. Especially how they “love” Russian motorists.
          6. nnz226
            nnz226 April 2 2013 11: 49 New
            +8
            Well, without a passport, you can change the currency, it is possible only in left exchangers, and even this will already be a violation of the rules of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, do not be cunning. Again, the “lope” of dollyra can now be bought in the exchanger at a time, without a “patchport”? Amount to name? less than 2000 ..... Phones in Russia are bought for free, "SIM cards" - yes with a passport. About terrorism: explosions in Dnepropetrovsk - what is this? Even if it’s a criminal showdown, it’s an explosion that strikes everyone in a row other than terror. I’ll give a simple example: during the transition to the market, all liberals voted that the state is evaluated by the way it treats old people and children. A simple example: my mother in the Yaroslavl region, having worked as a teacher all her life, receives a pension of 17000 rubles (for stupid Svidomo = minimum 4250 UAH) and mother-in-law here, after working as a director, the widow of a combat participant receives a pension of 1400 UAH. Moreover, in Russia, pensions are increased every year, and here, when, and when hastily retired Ukrainian pensioners last time increased ??? So "come to us"! By the way, here you can hear a lot about "ho..loarbeiters" in Russia, but something about the "Russoarbeiters" in the non-resident one somehow cannot be heard .... And hta here the advantages of non-resident existence ???
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 12: 13 New
              -1
              Quote: nnz226
              possible only in left exchangers

              Well, maybe of course the left one) but the docks on the wall hung about the registration license ...
              Quote: nnz226
              less 2000.

              So what? Does a lot of people constantly change such money?
              I like that ... 200-300 is constantly needed no more
              Quote: nnz226
              About terrorism: explosions in Dnepropetrovsk - what is this?

              Definitely not terrorism.
              Quote: nnz226
              receives a pension of 17000 rubles

              There are higher pensions in Russia. But then let's compare prices?
              Quote: nnz226
              By the way, here’s a lot about “ho..loarbeiters” in Russia,

              Yes, in the MSC and in the north, they always went and will go for a long ruble. By the way, they also come from other regions of Russia.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 12: 26 New
                +3
                Quote: Skavron
                Yes, in the MSC and in the north, they always went and will go for a long ruble. By the way, they also come from other regions of Russia.

                It is understandable from Russia, but not from other countries. They do not go from Russia to Ukraine to earn money.
                1. Skavron
                  Skavron April 2 2013 12: 41 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  They do not go from Russia to Ukraine to earn money.

                  Do not go. For in Ukraine there is no Siberia and MSCs.
                  And in the same Vologda Oblast, I did not meet many Ukrainian guest workers. More precisely one.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 12: 47 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Skavron
                    And in the same Vologda Oblast, I did not meet many Ukrainian guest workers.

                    We have them everywhere, well, it's just a fact and that's it. request
                  2. Witch
                    Witch April 2 2013 17: 38 New
                    0
                    Quote: Skavron
                    Do not go. For in Ukraine there is no Siberia and MSCs.

                    And from Russia to Ukraine they go to work. My classmate 3 years Ukrainian TV contract worked ....
                    1. Gecko
                      Gecko April 2 2013 19: 31 New
                      0
                      Apparently the State Department is not sickly financing their television for brainwashing Ukrainians ...
                      TV presenters go from Russia to Ukraine for PR, corporate parties and high salaries. Kushanashvili paid $ 15 thousand a month, Lazarev came for PR, and Sobchak said that in Moscow was not useful.
                      http://www.segodnya.ua/culture/showbiz/televedushchie-edut-iz-roccii-v-ukrainu-r
                      adi-piara-korporativov-i-vycokikh-zarplat.html
          7. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak April 2 2013 12: 00 New
            +3
            Skavron "and buy phones."
            They can be bought everywhere. Even the bloodthirsty father of Lukashenko thinks that this is all right.
            How do you live there, we do not know on television. I have half of it at work.
            One friend came hehe .. she thought to see after Kiev, game with us. However, she was very surprised. And the roads, and the scope of construction.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 12: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Nagaibak
              I thought to see, after Kiev, the game with us. However, she was very surprised. And the roads, and the scope of construction.

              Andrey ... Surgut ...
              I wrote there above about the Russian north. Always went and will go for the ruble)
              And your places are really wonderful.
              1. zardoz
                zardoz April 3 2013 05: 05 New
                0
                Come on, come to Krasnodon to see how people go to Russia every morning to work and from Russia in the evening from work :)) And this despite the fact that the fare is decent, by local standards
          8. ksandr45
            ksandr45 April 2 2013 12: 29 New
            +3
            Soon you will not have a national, Slavic identity. You Squron it seems to be gone.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 12: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: ksandr45
              Soon you will not have a national, Slavic identity. You Squron it seems to be gone.

              Wow!!! And what is it with me?
              And where are such conclusions, my dear?
              1. morpex
                morpex April 2 2013 23: 38 New
                0
                Quote: Skavron
                And where are such conclusions, my dear?

                From where, from .... FROM THE CAMEL !!!
              2. morpex
                morpex April 2 2013 23: 38 New
                0
                Quote: Skavron
                And where are such conclusions, my dear?

                From where, from .... FROM THE CAMEL !!!
              3. morpex
                morpex April 2 2013 23: 39 New
                0
                Quote: Skavron
                And where are such conclusions, my dear?

                From where, from .... FROM THE CAMEL !!!
              4. morpex
                morpex April 2 2013 23: 39 New
                0
                Quote: Skavron
                And where are such conclusions, my dear?

                From where, from .... FROM THE CAMEL !!!
          9. opkozak
            opkozak April 2 2013 13: 10 New
            12
            In Ukraine, there are practically no phobias against other peoples. All issues can be resolved in a civilized way. My neighbors in the house are Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Germans - for 40 years not a single brawl.
            About gas - in 1946 they began to build and a gas pipeline was built - Dashava-Leningrad - Leningrad was heated for 30 years until all the gas was pumped out. Only after the construction of Urengoy-Pomara-Uzhgorod, Russian gas fell into Southeastern Europe. Everything was built by it - both Czechs, and Poles, and Russians, and Ukrainians. Pipes - Japanese, electrodes and welding units - Japanese, pipe layers - Komatsu. So it has been serving for about 35 years.
            Let's live together and live up to 100 years.
            1. edge
              edge April 2 2013 20: 15 New
              0
              Quote: opkozak
              In Ukraine, there are practically no phobias against other peoples

              yeah, then you breathe unevenly from the throne of the Tatars, but you won’t let them go to your homeland (Crimea).
          10. Volodin
            April 2 2013 13: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Skavron
            There is no terrorism in Ukraine.

            And the terrorist attacks in Dnepropetrovsk, the seizure of terrorists in Odessa - is this how to regard it? .. Yanukovych’s fiction or Putin’s fiction?
          11. vampik88
            vampik88 April 2 2013 14: 23 New
            +4
            we have the whole business cops and sbu-shniki roof .....
            currency without a passport x ... th change in the bank .....
            salaries other than 5 major cities an average of 200-250 dollars .....
          12. MVS
            MVS April 2 2013 14: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: Skavron
            So we live. In Ukraine there is no police regime.

            From this place on in more detail.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 15: 35 New
              -2
              Quote: MVS
              From this place on in more detail.

              And what is more detailed?
              Watch TV. Read articles in the press. Freedom of speech...
              1. MVS
                MVS April 2 2013 16: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: Skavron
                Watch TV. Read articles in the press. Freedom of speech...

                What is freedom of speech? What are you talking about? Our "free media" drive the information that is beneficial to the United States. And if you are about Pussy riot, would you really like it if something like this happened in St. Sophia Cathedral? There is a separate discussion about the swamp "opposition".
                PS
                Quote: Skavron

                Watch TV. Read articles in the press. Freedom of speech...

                We have a lot of interesting things about the police regime in Ukraine in the media. So is it worth believing to believe such media or not?
                1. Mhpv
                  Mhpv April 2 2013 16: 17 New
                  +3
                  Quote: MVS
                  And if you are about Pussy riot, would you really like it if something like this happened in St. Sophia Cathedral?

                  Would you try these crazy pussy such a frost in a mosque, I would look, no matter what court they judged
                  1. MVS
                    MVS April 2 2013 16: 23 New
                    +3
                    Quote: mhpv
                    Would you try these crazy pussy such a frost in a mosque, I would look, no matter what court they judged

                    There wouldn’t be a court, they wouldn’t just leave the mosque ...
                    1. Mhpv
                      Mhpv April 2 2013 16: 26 New
                      +2
                      This is the question and there is nothing to rebuke our justice, the only thing that was necessary was not to stretch all this for a long time (court)
                      1. MVS
                        MVS April 2 2013 16: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: mhpv
                        This is the question and there is nothing to rebuke our justice, the only thing that was necessary was not to stretch all this for a long time (court)

                        And the term had to be given more, so that others would be disagreeable.
                2. Axel
                  Axel April 4 2013 01: 00 New
                  0
                  I haven’t even seen on NTV + about the police regime in Ukraine, continuous advertising We work in fifty-one countries in the world. We take first place in the world in terms of net profit and efficiency. We are a modern and high-tech company. We are Russians. Gazprom National treasure.

                  Just how can I explain to the people who are drowning with firewood, next to me the gas pipe goes to China
                  1. Don
                    Don April 4 2013 17: 15 New
                    0
                    Quote: Axel
                    Just how can I explain to the people who are drowning with firewood, next to me the gas pipe goes to China

                    What percentage of the population in the Russian Federation drowns with firewood do not tell me?
          13. Witch
            Witch April 2 2013 17: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Skavron
            In Ukraine, I can change my currency and buy phones without a passport.

            Ett nice man you bent ....
            1. About the currency. There was a glorious capital city of Kiev in September last 2012, currency exchange by passports, even in street exchangers.
            2. Concerning phones. Not until yesterday I bought both a phone and a SIM card. No one asked for a patchport ....
          14. YuDDP
            YuDDP April 2 2013 19: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: Skavron
            In Ukraine, I can change my currency without a passport

            "I’ll tell you one clever thing, but don’t be offended” (C) Mkrtchan, Mimino
            I do not change the currency in Russia at all. Need not. And on vacation I pay with a ruble card and do not think about the conversion rate. (Maybe Putin is not so bad?)
          15. zardoz
            zardoz April 3 2013 04: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: Skavron
            There is no terrorism in Ukraine.

            Gorlovka Chi Makeevka we already forgot (even forgot where they blew)? And Dnepropetrovsk?

            Quote: Skavron
            There is no police regime in Ukraine.

            And what is the police regime in Russia. As I understand it, you are hinting at it.

            Quote: Skavron
            In Ukraine, I can change my currency and buy phones without a passport.

            Well, yes, with the phone, and have you changed the currency for a long time without a passport? We don’t change without a passport in Lugansk, at least in a bank.
      2. andrey777
        andrey777 April 2 2013 10: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Skavron
        Just arguments are not convincing

        Justify?
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 2 2013 10: 21 New
          -2
          Quote: andrey777
          Justify?

          Already. And more than once.
          Yes, and questions to Romanov
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I'm tired of convincing Ukraine of the benefits,

          But integration promises only benefits?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Skavron
            But integration promises only benefits?

            What are the cons?
      3. ughhh
        ughhh April 2 2013 10: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Skavron
        Just arguments are not convincing

        What are you saying? Probably even studied the issue?
        In the end there are living examples, a whole bunch of them. As European-integrated, and going on rapprochement with Russia. Conclusions can be made quite reasonable.
        Europeans in bast shoes, me too ...
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 2 2013 10: 37 New
          -1
          Quote: ughhh
          Probably even studied the issue?

          And you?
          Quote: ughhh
          After all, there are living examples.

          And anti-examples too.
          Quote: ughhh
          Conclusions can be made quite reasonable.

          I don’t see the conclusions in your comments like this.
        2. Alexander
          Alexander April 2 2013 10: 46 New
          14
          You can, of course, minus me. But for me, Ukraine is in the CU, and subsequently the Eurasian Union is not needed. Why don't you ask? And here is why:

          Imagine that she joined the TS on favorable conditions for herself ... Slightly that they will blame Russia (Example: Toilet paper has risen; Russia is to blame)
          For me, we don’t need such a headache.
          1. skeptic
            skeptic April 2 2013 11: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander
            You can, of course, minus me. But for me, Ukraine is in the CU, and subsequently the Eurasian Union is not needed. Why don't you ask? And here is why:


            Shaw is no zyist, then he will bite.
      4. Trofimov174
        Trofimov174 April 2 2013 10: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: Skavron
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I'm tired of convincing Ukraine of the benefits,

        Just arguments are not convincing

        At least + $ 5-7 billion to the Ukrainian economy, and this is with reduced gas and oil. It was not I who said, this is the forecast of one ... well-known, let's say, Russian politician whose grandfather had a factory in Ukraine. Convinced?)))
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 2 2013 10: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Trofimov174
          this is with preferential gas and oil.

          So gas benefits are NOT guaranteed upon joining the vehicle.
          Even if they are spelled out, which ones? On what period? What about the GTS?
          There are a lot of questions and there are no clear intelligible answers to them. That's when there will be these answers, then I can confidently say: Yes, I am for the vehicle.
          tmho
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: Skavron

            So gas benefits are NOT guaranteed upon joining the vehicle.

            Yatsenyuk told you this, so when you join the Customs Union, the gas price for Ukraine will be comparable to the prices for Belarus.
            Quote: Skavron
            What is with the GTS?

            About the GTS, it seems, too, questions have been raised.
            Quote: Skavron
            There are a lot of questions and there are no clear intelligible answers.

            Listen how there are no answers? When Putin tells you, including that it will be so, so, you can take a look yourself, as in Kazakhstan and Belarus and in Ukraine there will be no other way, one market for everyone. Why invent everything there is.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 11: 58 New
              -4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yatsenyuk told you this,

              This is what Putin said. "The price of gas MAY be revised." Yeah ... the keyword is "maybe." Yes, and in which direction.
              And in the agreement on the vehicle, nothing is said about gas.
              Gas is the main article of Ukrainian imports from the CU.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              About the GTS, it seems, too, questions have been raised.

              Neither did it seem to be ... but nothing has been signed and agreements are being worked out.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              When Putin tells you, including, that it will be so, so, so

              Here I’m talking about !!! Only Putin will have to listen.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 12: 16 New
                +4
                Quote: Skavron

                This is what Putin said. "The price of gas MAY be revised." Yeah ... the keyword is "maybe." Yes, and in which direction

                Do you have a broken phone there? What did you think up there.
                The Russian Foreign Ministry claims that this will not be a discount.


                The price of gas for Ukraine will be reduced to the domestic level if the country joins the Customs Union.

                This was announced at a briefing in Moscow by the director of the first department of the CIS countries of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Mikhail Evdokimov.

                "This is not something new. Export duties have been canceled within the framework of the Customs Union. Accordingly, the price of gas with nuances of oil products for the countries of the Customs Union is much lower. It will not be some special discount for Ukraine, this is an objective fact of membership in the Customs Union.


                Quote: Skavron

                Neither did it seem to be ... but nothing has been signed and agreements are being worked out.

                Everything is said in Russian on this topic!
                quote.rbc.ru/news/fond/2013/03/21/33908888.html March 21, 2013 - D. Medvedev: Russia will participate in the Ukrainian gas consortium only if its interests are guaranteed. For you, read, everything is in Russian hi
                Quote: Skavron
                Here I’m talking about !!! Only Putin will have to listen.


                Are you so scared of Putin? On the site, and Kazakhs and Belarusians, ask which of the bottom is listening to Putin, they have their own presidents!
                1. Skavron
                  Skavron April 2 2013 12: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  The price of gas for Ukraine will be reduced to the domestic level if the country joins the Customs Union, Mikhail Evdokimov, director of the first department of the CIS countries of the Russian Foreign Ministry, said at a briefing in Moscow.

                  Speak the specific cost of gas. For the population of Ukraine, it is lower than for the population of Russia. For businesses? It’s strange. Why help competitors.
                  And yet ... What kind of position is this
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Director of the First Department of the CIS Countries of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

                  What are his powers? I honestly don’t know, you can say anything. Only when it will be fixed in writing, then this is a fact.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Dmitry Medvedev: Russia will participate in the Ukrainian gas consortium only if its interests are guaranteed.

                  So you just confirmed my words that ANOTHER ACCOMMODATION ARE REACHED,
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 13: 17 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Skavron

                    Speak the specific cost of gas. For the population of Ukraine

                    I have no idea how much it costs. We have for the population a penny of about 60 rubles a month, and if it’s a meter, then it’s about 30 rubles.
                    Quote: Skavron
                    For businesses? It’s strange. Why help competitors.




                    The price of gas from Russia will be reduced to $ 160 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m. in the event that Ukraine joins the Customs Union (CU), said Mykola Azarov, Prime Minister of Ukraine at a conference with Odessa officials today. Mykola Azarov also said that the national interests of Ukraine, if it joins the customs union will not suffer, but even vice versa
                    So will you? This is to your words.
                    Quote: Skavron
                    I honestly don’t know, you can say anything.



                    Quote: Skavron
                    Only when it will be fixed in writing, then this is a fact.

                    It will be fixed on paper when signing the agreement! What do you kidalovo everywhere see.
                    Quote: Skavron
                    So you just confirmed my words that ANOTHER ACCOMMODATION ARE REACHED

                    So the Christmas tree sticks, the ball is on your side.
                    1. Skavron
                      Skavron April 2 2013 13: 28 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      so said Mykola Azarov, Prime Minister of Ukraine

                      ABOUT! Infa today?
                      Well, it means that my words are confirmed that Yanukovych will join the TS ... Azarov is the president’s mouthpiece.
                      As for Yanukovych, then he has only one way out - to take power! Only then can he not sit in the bunk in 2 years. And integration with the vehicle. Only in this way will he receive personal protection + sympathy for many Ukrainians advocating an alliance with Russia. In all other cases, the court awaits him ... for they will throw ... their own. [

                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      It will be fixed on paper when signing the agreement!

                      Approx.


                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      So the Christmas tree sticks, the ball is on your side.

                      There is no arguing on ours. But who are the judges?
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 13: 42 New
                        0
                        Quote: Skavron
                        ABOUT! Infa today?

                        No, not today. I just quoted your politician for October 2012.
                        There are for March of this year, but the flock is long. In the internet a lot of information on this subject.
                      2. Skavron
                        Skavron April 2 2013 14: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        just quoted your politician for October 2012.

                        aaaaaaaaaaa .... but I thought already Azarov received instructions
                      3. El13
                        El13 April 2 2013 16: 51 New
                        0
                        Why are you like at the market, you need to marry and FSE here, and then who will harm his wife, only if it’s a matter of divorce, and no one canceled the divorce ...
          2. Gecko
            Gecko April 8 2013 15: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Skavron
            Here I’m talking about !!! Only Putin will have to listen.

            You probably listen better to the overseas Moor under the "mattress" flag.
      5. Trofimov174
        Trofimov174 April 2 2013 11: 52 New
        +6
        Quote: Skavron
        Quote: Trofimov174
        this is with preferential gas and oil.

        So gas benefits are NOT guaranteed upon joining the vehicle.

        Gas to Belarusians is three to four times cheaper, $ 150 against $ 400.
        Russia buys gas from Kazakhstan at a fixed $ 130 per 1K cubic meters.
        Here is an example of pricing policy for members of the customs club, try to explain to them that no one guaranteed it to them, they will make fun of them.
        PS In general, it’s already decently tired of the fact that when talking about Ukraine, the gas issue immediately pops up and only he, it’s like some kind of stigma, it’s impossible to callus.
        1. Egen
          Egen April 2 2013 12: 29 New
          +2
          Domestic gas prices are set by our state separately by region, and gas prices from the pipe and gas transportation are regularly printed in the newspaper. 150 bucks - just somewhere around the average price with VAT. VAT is deducted from Belarus, so the price is normal, taking into account its transportation from the north. And for foreign countries, export customs duty is clearly in effect, bringing the price of gas to the level of demand in their market - does our country have to live on something :) (Gas, as I recall, seems to form 50% of export revenue?)
        2. Skavron
          Skavron April 2 2013 14: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Trofimov174
          Gas to Belarusians is three to four times cheaper, $ 150 against $ 400.

          Belarus does not own its GTS.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA April 2 2013 14: 21 New
            +4
            Quote: Skavron
            Belarus does not own its GTS.

            So for the pleasure you have to pay. Its GTS is a pleasure.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 15: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: ATATA
              So for the pleasure you have to pay. Its GTS is a pleasure.

              This I wrote to the question of price.
              And so of course ... free cheese is only in a mousetrap
              1. zardoz
                zardoz April 3 2013 05: 19 New
                +2
                I don’t understand what is the value of the GTS if it does not work? or will the GTS be in a consortium with Russia but gas will be almost three times cheaper? And at the same time they will pay for transit. If they suddenly throw with the price of gas, it will be possible to take the GTS back. I even do not understand this dispute.
          2. karbofos
            karbofos April 2 2013 23: 56 New
            +1
            Do you have something with your GTS? Congratulations you are a billionaire
        3. karbofos
          karbofos April 2 2013 23: 54 New
          +2
          when we decide with gas remember my words the Holodomor will remember
      6. andrey777
        andrey777 April 2 2013 12: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Skavron
        There are a lot of questions and there are no clear intelligible answers to them. That's when there will be these answers, then I can confidently say: Yes, I am for the vehicle.
        tmho
        These are all technical issues and I think they can be resolved in favor of Ukraine. Another question is whether the Ukrainian oligarchs like this union, I think not, because everyone is afraid for his feeding trough
    7. kris
      kris April 2 2013 11: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Trofimov174
      At least + $ 5-7 billion to the Ukrainian economy, and this is with reduced gas and oil. It was not I who said, this is the forecast of one ... well-known, let's say, Russian politician whose grandfather had a factory in Ukraine. Convinced?)))


      numbers and calculations in the studio. interesting to see.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 2 2013 11: 40 New
        0
        Quote: kris
        numbers and calculations in the studio. interesting to see.

        it was on TV I also heard, in my opinion in NEW WEEKS the day before last Sunday, Kiselev voiced the numbers.
    8. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy April 2 2013 13: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Trofimov174

      At least + $ 5-7 billion to the Ukrainian economy, and this is with reduced gas and oil. It was not I who said, this is the forecast of one ... well-known, let's say, Russian politician whose grandfather had a factory in Ukraine. Convinced?)))

      We know, we know the name of this "Famous Russian politician" And you, by the way, are aware that for most Ukrainians, that Zhirinovsky, that Tyagnibok - one field .....
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Skavron
    Just arguments are not convincing

    For example, what exactly do you call persuasive, what are the criteria?
  3. Don
    Don April 2 2013 11: 42 New
    -1
    Quote: Skavron
    Just arguments are not convincing

    Not convincing to anyone?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Don
      Not convincing to anyone?

      For Yatsenyuk and Tigibko laughing
    2. Skavron
      Skavron April 2 2013 12: 18 New
      -4
      Quote: Don
      Not convincing to anyone?

      I'm voicing my point here.
      So for me.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 12: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Skavron
        So for me.

        so what specifically is not convincing? Give the damage figures to the Ukrainian budget when joining the vehicle.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 2 2013 14: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Give the damage figures to the Ukrainian budget when joining the vehicle.

          I didn’t give any numbers, because it’s not a matter of one day ... and I myself can’t cope with such a volume of work.
          I can simply assume that after joining the TS, the main market for Ukrainian metallurgists will close. This is just one factor. But this factor will leave without work a huge number of Ukrainian enterprises.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 14: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Skavron
            I can simply assume that after joining the TS, the main market for Ukrainian metallurgists will close.

            You are mistaken, the market will be closed if Ukraine signs with the EU. This is a single economic space, how the market can close, think for yourself.
            Here is the last one ... http: //izvestia.ru/news/546071
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 15: 40 New
              +2
              Approx.
              The output is even better. Do not sign anything with anyone. And do not enter anywhere.
            2. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 16: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              how can the market close

              EU sanctions as a reaction to the entry of Ukraine into the CU.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 16: 10 New
                0
                Quote: Skavron
                The output is even better. Do not sign anything with anyone. And do not enter anywhere

                It will not work, at the wrong time and the wrong situation in Ukraine.
                Quote: Skavron
                EU sanctions as a reaction to Ukraine's accession to the CU

                Ukraine is a member of the WTO, what are the sanctions?
                1. Quit
                  Quit April 2 2013 16: 50 New
                  0
                  And Russia is part of the WTO and you have obligations to them to raise gas prices to the world level: by 2015, you must raise prices within the Russian Federation by 50% (without duty and transport tariffs) and 10-15% after that each year. So the figure of 160 dollars for Ukraine is real for 2 years, no more. Further, customs payments bring to the budget of Ukraine about 11 billion euros per year. In the Customs Union, customs payments form a single budget and are distributed in accordance with the shares: Ukraine will be forced to pay 6,5-7 billion euros there. I think these arguments are enough for now, although the figures for the distribution of VAT (which also form a single budget) are even less encouraging for Ukraine.
                  1. zardoz
                    zardoz April 3 2013 05: 39 New
                    0
                    Quote: Quit
                    gas prices to world level: by 2015, you must raise prices within the Russian Federation by 50%

                    Can I have a reference at the moment?
                    Quote: Quit
                    TS customs payments form a single budget and are distributed in accordance with shares: Ukraine will have to pay 6,5-7 billion euros there.

                    This phrase is somehow vague, and then where does the money go? And about 11 Euros, is it all customs payments or only with members of the Customs Union?
                  2. Don
                    Don April 3 2013 16: 23 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Quit
                    And Russia is part of the WTO and you have obligations to them to raise gas prices to world level: by 2015, you must raise prices within the Russian Federation by 50% (without duty and transport tariff) and 10-15% after that each year.

                    What the ?! What does the trade agreement have to do with domestic tariffs? Prices for 4 years to rise by 200%? Do not carry nonsense, or at least discard the reference.
                    Quote: Quit
                    In the Customs Union, customs payments form a single budget and are distributed in accordance with the shares

                    Pure lies. there are no unified budgets within the framework of the CU. The member countries of the customs union apply a single customs tariff and other uniform measures for regulating trade in goods with third countries, but they do not form any single budgets. And especially VAT.
            3. El13
              El13 April 2 2013 16: 54 New
              0
              Skavron
              besides, Ukraine and Russia are in the WTO, explain your idea to us
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 2 2013 22: 52 New
                0
                Quit clarified
              2. Skavron
                Skavron April 2 2013 22: 54 New
                0
                Quit clarified more clearly than I
                thank you to him
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 06: 04 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Skavron

                  Quit clarified more clearly than I
                  thank you to him

                  He’s hanging bullshit on your ears. I’ve brought you a bunch of links, including to your politicians, but you’re talking about the Foreign Ministry’s declarations - who, why don’t I know?
                  here the man wrote crap and you are satisfied. As I understand it, this is exactly what you wanted to hear, then I don’t understand what is the point of your interest in the TS, if initially you are not interested in real numbers. But then there’s a lens on your ears.
                2. Don
                  Don April 3 2013 16: 25 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Skavron
                  Quit clarified more clearly than I
                  thank you to him

                  Do you call it intelligibly? Sheer lies about some unified budgets. In the CU there is not a single word about some kind of special budget, which is formed by customs duties and then somehow distributed.
          2. karbofos
            karbofos April 3 2013 00: 10 New
            +2
            Why destroy metallurgy when Russia seeks to revive industries that have been dashing into dashing. it touched the future and not just squeeze money. All adequate people understand this. Yes, and you all understand, just show off already protecting what does not belong to you. Tell me what dividends you personally have from the GTS or metallurgy. our oligarchs were slowly accustomed to work not only for their own good, but also for the good of the country, and your little ones only care about their fraud, your well-being is not included in their plans. So it’s not clear why you are chopping
            ,
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg April 2 2013 18: 21 New
    0
    They do not get up anywhere. There that is not a politician is a puppet, read an American (or else whose) protege. They found a way to buy gas from the Germans - it’s just that we just need to stop supplying our gas to them, close this pipe and dismantle it at all like a hopeless one. They will spin between two chairs until everyone rests from hunger. So there they’ll rather arrange a famine, but they won’t enter the TS.
  • anton107798
    anton107798 April 2 2013 19: 27 New
    -2
    stupid things! As you do not understand everything, only 16% of the population wants to unite with Russia ... read the link here.
    www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/Soyuza-s-RF-hotyat-16-ukraincev-opros.html
  • scrack
    scrack April 2 2013 22: 53 New
    +1
    The policy of Ukraine resembles the hunt for two birds with one stone. It’s not a fact that he’ll catch both, therefore, he will not be at the trough
  • niklev65
    niklev65 April 2 2013 07: 58 New
    +1
    Exactly. Yanukovych will wait for Yulia’s release ... you will not wish the enemy! She will not repeat past mistakes. To be Ukraine with Russia ...!
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt April 2 2013 08: 18 New
      +1
      When their leadership ceases to trade in its back seat (sorry that it’s so rude, but it just doesn’t work out differently) and think about the people ?!
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT April 2 2013 10: 25 New
        0
        This is not rude, this is the very assessment! good
      2. kris
        kris April 2 2013 11: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: Grishka100watt
        When their leadership ceases to trade in its back seat (sorry that it’s so rude, but it just doesn’t work out differently) and think about the people ?!

        The leadership of our countries is the same. and lives by the same laws.
        they just have a poorer country.
        and the Russian oligarchs, who own enterprises in Ukraine, also squeeze all the juices out of them.
        can stop this insanity with gas. Gazprom wants to build alternative ways, please build.
        and about the fleet in Sevastopol, the Russian admirals are the most buzzing, with black cash in their pockets from renting naval lands and premises.
        if the current vehicle becomes attractive, then everyone will be requested there.
        1. edge
          edge April 2 2013 20: 28 New
          0
          Quote: kris
          if the current vehicle becomes attractive, then everyone will request there

          Well, this is the usual principle of parasites, take a larger spoon, shove those who are closer. The times of the USSR are over, parasites, such as Georgia, no one will feed ............
      3. HAIFISCH
        HAIFISCH April 2 2013 12: 38 New
        +1
        One gets the feeling that never, from the moment a pimple came to power, only about gas and you can hear the monuments to Bandera and Mazepam, then Yanukovych left, it seemed that a person would have a certain position on the issues of who is each other well, as a last resort partner, and who is the economic interventionist , but no, too, ass twirls, neither in the TS nor in the EU, as you know, one ass on two trains can’t sit
      4. sergius60
        sergius60 April 2 2013 14: 45 New
        +3
        You see, by chance, but I guessed right. Our management already has EUROPEAN needs. Do you know what law FIRST was adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of an unaltered Ukraine? About canceling an article for homosexual in the Criminal Code. And no jokes. Himself on TV watched the first meeting of BP. Some, however, were hysterical, such as the first law, symbolically, it would be necessary to do something like that ... BUT. Caught in the minority. Since then, they have "us" ... crying
    2. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 April 2 2013 09: 40 New
      +2
      I do not understand the course of your thoughts. You want to say that Tymoshenko is a great friend of Russia. (It is not needed for nothing, and she does not feel much sympathy). Even if she is released and hypothetically elected, I doubt that she will come closer. This is the bastion of populism (remember the previous years of rule).
    3. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 April 2 2013 09: 49 New
      +4
      гwhether he is leading Tajikistan along the path of integration with the Customs Union or not ready
      Why do we need Tajikistan? Again pull them, only within the framework of the CU and periodically listen to threats of withdrawal for any reason?
      It is necessary to work, not to drive teas in a teahouse. And then everyone hopes to find the magic lamp of Aladdin.
  • Suhov
    Suhov April 2 2013 08: 02 New
    0
    The first gas deliveries by the “backyards” to Ukraine have already begun. If you outline the route of these deliveries, then it looks very specific. Russian gas through the Nord Stream ends up in Germany, and from there, through the pipe, through which it flows to Europe, it goes back to Ukraine


    Something is wrong in the kingdom of Denmark!
    1. Egen
      Egen April 2 2013 08: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Sukhov
      Okay something in the kingdom of Denmark

      ... and it’s incomprehensible :) After all, Europe will not sell gas to Ukraine cheaper than it buys itself, and even + transport it, what is the trick for Ukraine then? :)
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 2 2013 08: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Egen
        then chip for Ukraine? :)

        According to the latest statement by Azarov, Ukraine has already received gas from Hungary and it cost 50 less than it would come from Russia. Thus, it seems to be a gain and liberation from energy dependence on Russia. belay
        1. Vrungel78
          Vrungel78 April 2 2013 09: 51 New
          +4
          That's interesting, but the population will have something from this savings?
          1. Oshin
            Oshin April 2 2013 11: 13 New
            +1
            т
            Quote: Vrungel78
            That's interesting, but the population will have something from this savings.

            Yes, nothing.
        2. bootlegger
          bootlegger April 2 2013 11: 05 New
          0
          This is Russian gas. You just got another intermediary instead of buying directly from the manufacturer. At first it was more profitable, but miracles do not happen. All intermediaries want to eat and their prices also depend on the dealer.
          The inability to think strategically has always been inherent in the Ukrainian government.
          Instead, preference was given to momentary gain.
          Remember the story, it will also end this time ....
        3. skeptic
          skeptic April 2 2013 12: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          According to the latest statement by Azarov, Ukraine has already received gas from Hungary and it cost 50 less than it would come from Russia. Thus, it seems to be a gain and liberation from energy dependence on Russia.


          Free cheese, it happens only in a mousetrap, and then the sale is also at a loss? Could there be an even bigger mousetrap behind it?
        4. Egen
          Egen April 2 2013 12: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Ukraine has already received gas from Hungary and it cost 50 bucks less

          Silly question is it possible? - What is gas in Hungary?
          1. Egen
            Egen April 2 2013 14: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Egen
            Stupid question can

            And, I just came across a Russian newspaper for 2.04 on page 4 - HOW it turns out :) Well done, they remember "Operation Y" - "everything was stolen there before us" :))) Something turns out to go through Ukraine to the West, Gazprom gave the West discounts as good friends, and Ukraine takes this gas along the way - i.e. it doesn’t even reach the West :) That's why I think how they pump it back, it seems there are no pipes :)
            In addition, as much gas as Ukraine needs, the West cannot give it Russian. And at low prices, too - spot prices are constantly changing. In general, anyone interested read the article. One conclusion - well done :)) And, no, and the second one too - as they wrote above, they all the same shove us in chereviki :)))))))))))
        5. HAIFISCH
          HAIFISCH April 2 2013 12: 41 New
          0
          laughing and the acquisition of energy dependence on Europe, smartly. laughing
  • self-propelled
    self-propelled April 2 2013 08: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Already tired of convincing Ukraine of the benefits

    apparently for Ukrainian politicians you convince unconvincingly lol
    any economic union (and just partnership) implies not only benefits, but also the need to make some concessions (compromises, if you like). and based on the throwing of Ukrainian politicians from the EU to Russia and vice versa, it turns out that they want to "eat fish and ..."
  • krasin
    krasin April 2 2013 08: 04 New
    0
    Why forcibly pull Ukraine into the TS ?? They have their own vision of the future — they themselves build difficulties and overcome them without success. But what’s most interesting is to blame.
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 2 2013 08: 06 New
    +1
    so here it is what kind of USSR 2.0
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 2 2013 08: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Ragnarek
      so here it is what kind of USSR 2.0

      looks like no. as it was in the union it will no longer be, now everything will have to pay
      1. Egen
        Egen April 2 2013 08: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: self-propelled
        as was the union will no longer be

        In general, such a union is extremely important and necessary, but unfortunately it will be a union since "tops", which will contribute to the development, and not the unification of industry, as was the case in the USSR at the level of ministries and departments - simply because this industry has been owned by the state for a long time :( We have coal in Kuzbass, nearby in Karaganda - everything is in private hands, and in many ways - in foreign ...
  • fenix57
    fenix57 April 2 2013 08: 06 New
    +3
    Of course, such a union is necessary..For all states of the former republics (in the Baltic countries this will also be understood soon). But, as they say: it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ... Indecisiveness of the leadership of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan (yes greed, frankly), Yanukovych, like that monkey in a joke (whether smart, with TS, or beautiful- with the EU). hi
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 April 2 2013 09: 54 New
      0
      Quote: fenix57
      Indecision of the leadership of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan

      No, just have to work
  • Apollo
    Apollo April 2 2013 08: 07 New
    +7
    the main reason for torpedoing TS is, in my opinion, a national oligarchy. It is a national, stealing oligarchy that clearly understands that with close union, it, like the Russian oligarchs, will come to an end.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 2 2013 09: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Apollon
      The main reason for torpedoing TS is, in my opinion, a national oligarchy. It is a national, stealing oligarchy that clearly understands that with close union, it, like the Russian oligarchs, will come to an end.

      Excuse me, Apollo, and what Russian oligarchs came to an end?
      We do not plan nationalization ......
      All flourish and increase their wealth, in contrast to the bulk of the population.
    2. treskoed
      treskoed April 2 2013 09: 03 New
      0
      Moreover, every oligarch quite rightly fears that new friends might “throw” him ...
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 2 2013 08: 14 New
    +3
    Interestingly, this reversible European gas is not from Yamal by chance? Ukraine resembles a bad poker player - it seems to be bluffing, but forgot to hide the cards and in Moscow everyone sees that in Kiev there is only one pair, and we have straight - flash, at least. Putin has long been offering to throw cards on the table, but Yanukovych is bustling, waiting for something. Maybe Western friends promised him that the game would not count. So ve thrown.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 2 2013 09: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: FC Skiff
      but Yanukovych is bustling, waiting for something.

      Oh guys! Do not sprinkle salt on the wound!
      All the same, let's try to figure it out. In some articles that were discussed here, you already noticed - the Navy commander — studied in the USA, the former defense minister — studied in the USA, graduates of the military academy - intelligence officers (!!!!) under Yushche, the US ambassador handed diplomas (! !!!) in Ukraine. What do you think, they were removed and everything is OK? They managed to put all their posts! Further, under Yushche, many employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs simply quit, but these were really high-class specialists! SBU - the salary is good there, and many deputies tried to attach their little sons, respectively, specialists below the baseboard. Those. It’s very problematic to rely on power structures now.
      Further - of course, our oligarchs are holding Yanukovych, they really do not want to abide by the rules when you can just rob people. And the president’s son suddenly became a millionaire in 4. Dad modestly explains that he is not aware of his business, but knows that his son works hard and honestly. (Damn! All my life I worked a lot and honestly, like most Soviet people, but millions are not visible laughing ) There is also discontent in the party itself, because they can change the leader, because the party’s rating is rapidly falling. And then there's oppa with his revolutions. They are unlikely to do much, but they will bring destabilization to the full! Now declare your entry into the TS - the memory will explode - they want to go to work in Europe without visas, here they don’t have to pay taxes, but relatives receive all kinds of benefits like the poor and unemployed. And so the whole gesheft will be covered! It can lead to a split in the country on a large scale. So he is spinning (for now) the spirit is not enough (would have beaten, "dear"). I believe that this year will be very difficult and difficult in all respects. And there, God willing and join!
      Threat. Here another interesting figure comes up - the first vice-prime minister Arbuzov. Here he is, if he replaces Azarov, whom many are not happy with, or rather, on whom all the bumps are knocked down, it may possibly seriously compete with Yanukovych in the presidential election in 2015.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron April 2 2013 09: 51 New
        +2
        This Ukraine needs to shut up and not proclaim any integration vectors ...
        First, put things in order, and then integrate ...
        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 2 2013 10: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: Skavron

          This Ukraine needs to shut up and not proclaim any integration vectors ...
          First, put things in order, and then integrate ...

          Tell me, when has there ever been order in Ukraine?
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 2 2013 10: 24 New
            -4
            Quote: ATATA
            Tell me, when has there ever been order in Ukraine?

            But in Russia?
            1. Oshin
              Oshin April 2 2013 11: 16 New
              +6
              Quote: Skavron
              Quote: ATATA
              Tell me, when has there ever been order in Ukraine?

              But in Russia?



              Ay, good answer)))) hi
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: Skavron
              But in Russia?

              Well, there’s definitely no such nonsense as in your parliament.
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 2 2013 11: 54 New
                -3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well, there’s definitely no such nonsense as in your parliament.

                It will end soon.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 58 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Skavron

                  It will end soon

                  Do you believe it yourself?
                  1. Skavron
                    Skavron April 2 2013 13: 29 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Do you believe it yourself?

                    Конечно.
                2. HAIFISCH
                  HAIFISCH April 2 2013 12: 43 New
                  +2
                  This is not the first year that we have been observing soon
              2. Mefodiy
                Mefodiy April 2 2013 13: 36 New
                -2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov

                Well, there’s definitely no such nonsense as in your parliament.

                Ahh, full of approval ...
              3. fzr1000
                fzr1000 April 2 2013 17: 25 New
                +1
                Yes, in "Our Rada" (Duma) delirium is also enough. What really is there.
            3. skeptic
              skeptic April 2 2013 12: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Skavron
              But in Russia?


              And in the world? But in general, when the vehicle really works, all the pros and cons will be visible. The truth is then, for newcomers later, it is necessary to introduce an increasing coefficient (for the absence of the pioneer risks).
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 2 2013 14: 02 New
                -2
                Quote: skeptic
                But in general, when the vehicle really works

                I did not understand, but what doesn’t work now ???
                1. skeptic
                  skeptic April 2 2013 19: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: Skavron
                  I did not understand, but what doesn’t work now ???


                  Well, you have so many questions and you can’t see anything useful - that means it still doesn’t work for you.
          2. edge
            edge April 2 2013 20: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: ATATA
            Tell me when at least once in Ukraine there was order

            under Svyatoslav in the 9th century ............ and all. After that, public life began
      2. sergo0000
        sergo0000 April 2 2013 10: 16 New
        +6
        Egoza
        All hope for the planned revolution in May in Ukraine. ???)))
        Yes guys. It’s not easy for you! (((
        In general, I am also skeptical of such a turn of the matter as the common currency.
        Yes, and the formation of the EEC, too. After all, think for yourself, while our common enemy is alive and well (and for the “elites” —the best friend) —USA and England, we won’t be allowed to unite. "Hilaya Clitoris" directly said this
        I feel that Putin alone can’t manage and the revolution in Ukraine can’t get by! We’ll stagnate until the Medvedev’s government comes down and you have the same thing as now. What is needed, at least, is the general aspirations and ideology of all the countries belonging to this union, and not just the desire of the leaders of the participating countries. But imagine that the leaders are not immortal either, and pro-Western rot may come in their place, what then !?
        All the end of integration. As this crow predicted from America!
        1. astra
          astra April 2 2013 14: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: sergo0000
          Hilaya Clitoris

          laughing
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 2 2013 21: 28 New
            0
            A single currency is possible, but Russia will have to share issue rights.
        2. karbofos
          karbofos April 3 2013 00: 26 New
          0
          one currency may be early, but it is urgent to leave the dollar in mutual settlements drinks
    2. edge
      edge April 2 2013 20: 36 New
      0
      Yanukovych simply pulls, because he is allowed to do this. He will be expected to pose in a stooped position .......... for two.
  • Tan4ik
    Tan4ik April 2 2013 08: 31 New
    +1
    Such a country was ....
  • Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar April 2 2013 08: 39 New
    0
    Of all the Asian republics, the most interesting is Uzbekistan. And nothing is heard of her. This is alarming ...
    1. ATATA
      ATATA April 2 2013 09: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Nesarya Nesvet
      the most interesting Uzbekistan.

      And why is it interesting, the number of hungry mouths?
    2. Dim1
      Dim1 April 2 2013 11: 35 New
      +1
      Uzbekistan goes its own way wink
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Dim1

        Uzbekistan goes its own way

        On a leash in the USA
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 2 2013 17: 26 New
          0
          Where are we going with Piglet, a big, big secret.
  • IRKUT
    IRKUT April 2 2013 09: 08 New
    +8
    I want in the USSR!
  • Good man
    Good man April 2 2013 09: 29 New
    -8
    Another article for brainwashing Russians. The price is 530 dollars. The author makes a mug of brick and is silent about the Kharkov agreements and the payment of 100 dollars per cubic meter, after which it is still cheaper to buy Russian gas in Europe than from Gazprom. After the kidalov’s, it’s clear that Yanukovych did not sign a single agreement with Putin and is unlikely to sign anything. Greed frarae Putin ruined-there will be no Ukraine in the vehicle.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA April 2 2013 09: 42 New
      +7
      Quote: Good man
      Putin’s frayr ruined - Ukraine will not be in the vehicle.
      Yes, to health, survive.
    2. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 April 2 2013 09: 56 New
      +3
      They are not needed for nothing with the current leadership. But your people have the right to happiness and a normal life. All my relatives in Ukraine penny count. The penultimate time was there in 97, the last in the past. To say that nothing has changed is to lie. BECOMING WORSE, no matter how national pride speaks to you.
      My cousin decided to give birth to a third child, because the allowance is 3 times higher than the salary of the head of the children. garden, who, in fact, is.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron April 2 2013 10: 27 New
        -2
        Quote: Vrungel78
        The penultimate time was there in 97, the last in the past. To say that nothing has changed is to lie. BECOMING WORSE, no matter how national pride speaks to you.

        National pride has nothing to do with it.
        Worse? I’m not an oligarch and not in the government, but it was really bad in 2009-2010. Now I would not say that.
        1. Mefodiy
          Mefodiy April 2 2013 13: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Skavron
          but it was really bad in 2009-2010. Now I would not say that.

          I honestly do not agree with you. Now it can be harder. The treasury is completely empty, in particular. It makes no sense to relatives from the east to do a good face with a bad ...
          But I completely agree with you that joining the EAZ without having considered all the "+" and "-", but just because they think so in the Kremlin, is also not an option.
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 2 2013 14: 03 New
            -1
            Quote: Mefodiy
            Now it can be harder.

            Well, I judge by myself
            1. Good Ukraine
              Good Ukraine April 2 2013 21: 39 New
              +1
              drinks
              Quote: Skavron
              Quote: Mefodiy may now be harder. Well, I judge by myself


              The main thing is that in Ukraine the best candidate from the united opposition in the world is three in one “CUTTED FASCIST SHOCKFATTER” laughing
              1. Egoza
                Egoza April 2 2013 22: 23 New
                0
                Quote: Good Ukraine
                three in one "CROPPED FASCIST SHOCKFATHER"

                They are “Coward, Dunce and Experienced” or the “Patsyuk, Natsyuk, Mordyuk” Coalition
          2. Chavy
            Chavy April 2 2013 21: 25 New
            +1
            Count, if only to see the benefits! The fact that you and Europe are not on the way, in principle, and it is not profitable for you to understand at all? They will nightmare you even worse than the Greeks, it will be necessary and you will be introduced fascism in order to invade Russia
          3. karbofos
            karbofos April 3 2013 00: 30 New
            0
            it is clear that the advantages are obvious to ordinary people and who are you worried about?
    3. Egoza
      Egoza April 2 2013 10: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Good man
      After the kidalov’s, it’s clear that Yanukovych did not sign a single agreement with Putin and is unlikely to sign anything.

      I think that Yanukovych was still opposed by Putin’s statement that Tymoshenko should be pardoned and sent to Russia for treatment. In this he was in solidarity with Germany. Because fears trust.
      1. Good man
        Good man April 2 2013 10: 42 New
        -3
        Quote: Egoza
        I think that Yanukovych was still opposed by Putin’s statement that

        Yanukovych set up kidalovo at Medvedev’s dacha where Putin and Medvedev proposed Kharkov agreements to him. Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, there is no NATO, Russian regional - probably thought that the brothers were forever. And now in Europe he is scrambling in search of Gazprom’s surplus to buy back. Because it is cheaper there and without 100 dollars. discounts.
        Well sincu Yanukovych your Putin-Medvedevs helped you?
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 2 2013 12: 31 New
          +1
          Merkel and Hollande will help him. Vaseline is free.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 11: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Good man
      Comrade Putin’s greed ruined - Ukraine will not be in the vehicle.

      Ha ha ha wassat
    5. воронов
      воронов April 2 2013 20: 28 New
      0
      We’ll manage without you
  • korp67
    korp67 April 2 2013 09: 40 New
    +3
    What is Kazakhstan for? Kazakhs won the most from the Customs Union. And the alternative to TS for Kazakhs is China. Frankly speaking - a gloomy alternative. Devour s.
    1. avt
      avt April 2 2013 10: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: korp67
      Kazakhstan for what? Kazakhs won the most from the Customs Union. And the alternative to TS for Kazakhs is China. Frankly speaking - a gloomy alternative. Devour s.

      And not only. Also the territory will be populated - enough for the people, and it’s not necessary to go far, tea is not Siberia.
    2. sergo0000
      sergo0000 April 2 2013 10: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: korp67
      What is Kazakhstan for? Kazakhs won the most from the Customs Union. And the alternative to TS for Kazakhs is China. Frankly speaking - a gloomy alternative. Devour s.

      Let's just say that fear of China is still holding Kazakhstan in the TK clip.
      In connection with the latest announcements by Kazakh politicians and Nazarbayev himself about the introduction of the Latin alphabet, only the distance of the borders from Europe and slows down Kazakhstan from hugs with it! Not everything is as simple as it seems. Yes, there may also be fear of the combat-ready Russian army now.

      So we do not have good friends and allies, except of course a priori our own army and navy!
      1. Semurg
        Semurg April 2 2013 13: 31 New
        0
        [quote = sergo0000] [quote = korp67] Yes, there may still be fear of the combat-ready Russian army now.
        Do not understand ? Are you going to conquer? This is like a continuation of the TS-conquest. Then maybe Ukraine does the right thing in no hurry, but they look that Russia will take into account with Kazakhstan.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 9 2013 04: 15 New
        +1
        Before you gobble up the Kazakh steppes, China needs to at least digest the Uighurs. If China attacks the KZ, Uyguristan will actually explode like a mine in the rear of the PLA. Not only will the Turks of other countries climb into the fray, but also the Muslim factor will probably play. The Chinese will receive regional jihad on the very tomatoes. Yes, and the Air Force and Air Defense of Kazakhstan is quite adequate force in which case. We will definitely roll out the border Lanzhou military district (even without the Uyghur factor), given its "TTX". Therefore, the Chinese will obviously be forced to send troops and equipment from other regions. And probably not from the capital’s military district, where their new equipment is concentrated, but from secondary ones - to bare Beijing surrounded by "friends" - Japan, Korea, Vietnam, India, the USA, Thailand and other countries - they will obviously have to in the very last case. Further, simply writing is not a hunt for this fantasy. If anything - the Mongolian direction bothers me more. The army there is very poor in technology. This defense sector must be strengthened by all of us together. Fortunately, the Mongols also look at China - as an eternal enemy.
        Regarding the fear of the Kazakh army among the Kazakhs - in general, complete nonsense. The Russian army is perceived by us as a natural ally. Like one hand in relation to the other.
        And about the moronic phrase about "the only allies in the person of the army and navy," sales are reluctant to say. But you have to. The first is a British phrase. With all the consequences. And it was said by the British monarchs at a time when the prim British could not even have imagined that the Americans would once become a separate nation, and that the British would still have to ask for military assistance on the side.
        Secondly, any state is doomed to defeat if it does not have real allies. Only the mentioned Mongolia greatly helped the Red Army in strategic supplies. I'm not talking about the total assistance of the allied countries.
        Thirdly, even if it is considered that the only allies of Russia are the army and navy, even on this basis it will be necessary to recognize the Kazakh army as an ally, because in fact, the army of Kazakhstan on its territory protects the border of the central part of Russia - the Urals and Western Siberia, and the Russian Federation does not have to hold large military forces in the Central Military District, which allows it to concentrate on the Far Eastern and Western European directions.
    3. Semurg
      Semurg April 2 2013 13: 23 New
      +1
      Kazakhs live in China themselves, they didn’t seem to eat them, just like in Russia. As long as the TS received price increases, alignment with prices in Russia. Now we are waiting for a big win
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 April 2 2013 15: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        Are you going to conquer?


        Quote: Semurg
        Kazakhs live in China themselves, they did not seem to eat them, as in Russia.

        Oh, you. Who needs your steppes! Except for the Chinese and the Americans, to build military bases on them, there are few who want to. But they don’t eat you yet because they’re not a vacation, but people with more than ten thousand years of culture !!! assimilate and all! Goodbye nationality Kazakh,long live Chinese from the top of the Khan-Tengri! Which your government, by the way, gave to China during the last division of the borders! But this is a symbol of the Kazakh people, if I’m not mistaken! recourse
        And let them take another two hundred years to do this, but the result will be. Believe me, the Chinese can wait and work!
        So do not believe the Western jackals that Russia has views on your territory!, Only to protect you from such a persistent neighbor. And also from your oligarch bandits and extremist personalities with a bazooka at the ready! bully That’s why we need a strong army in Russia. Believe the song “we don’t need an inch of a foreign land, but we won’t give up our shred!”
        1. воронов
          воронов April 2 2013 20: 55 New
          -2
          Kazakhs never had a Khan-Tengri symbol. Kazakhs are not a single nation, as you probably think, the very concept of Kazakhs appeared after the October Revolution (or as it is now fashionable for a coup), and before that it was the Kyrgyz-Kaisat nomadic tribes, dividing into zhuzes, and those in turn for childbirth. The youngest zhuz roamed in the territory of present western Kazakhstan and partially in the Volgograd, Orenburg and Astrakhan regions of Russia, their descendants now live there. The middle zhuz is in the territory of central, northeast, northern Kazakhstan, K in the Russian, partly Chelyabinsk, southern Omsk and Tyumen regions of Russia, there are still many Kazakhs living there. The lands of the younger zhuz are southern Kazakhstan in the east to the Ust-Kamenogorsk region, in the west to the Ural, Aktyubinsk, Atyrau regions, in the north to the Karaganda region. Now among the Kazakhs, the division by zhuzes and childbirths is of great importance. The Kazakhs even differ in appearance and in dialect (southern, western, northern) and most of them, at least the western and northern Kazakhs, do not know anything about Khan Tengri. what r ovorito about some kind of "single symbol" of the Kazakh people is not necessary
          1. sergo0000
            sergo0000 April 2 2013 21: 52 New
            0
            Tengrianism as the basis of Kazakh national identity / ...
            kazakh.ru/talk/mmess.phtml?idt = ...
      2. воронов
        воронов April 2 2013 20: 31 New
        -1
        Kazakhs in China 0,000000 ...% laughing
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 April 2 2013 21: 53 New
          0
          This is not what I claimed, but Semurg hi
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny April 9 2013 07: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: voronov
          Kazakhs in China 0,000000 ...% laughing

          do not distort the numbers. Kazakhs do not live spread over the whole territory of China, but live compactly in several regions of the XUAR, which are adjacent to the territory of Kazakhstan. Kazakhs are the third largest nation in Xinjiang after the Uyghur Turks and Chinese. But in general, there are more Muslims (Turks and Dungans) in the XUAR than Han people. And the Chinese government understands that this territory, called the Turks "East Turkestan", and so every year suits a noticeable buzz, and in case of war with China, they will begin guerrilla life in the XUAR.
    4. Chavy
      Chavy April 2 2013 21: 29 New
      0
      How did the Kazakhs win from the TS? Something my friends in the KZ complain on the contrary, can explain?
      1. Kasym
        Kasym April 3 2013 00: 01 New
        +5
        Well, men, they made fun. Honestly . At the expense of the CU and the Union wrote above. As for the zhuzs, it’s also bored. No, I don’t jerk, it’s just ridiculous to read it. But on the other hand, I’m very glad that you have a certain interest and even knowledge about our people, I’m even surprised. But in fact, Nazarbayev said that with the creation of the vehicle at first it will be necessary to tighten - prices will rise. This stage is over. I'm used to it, personally, I am ready to pay this price for the Union.
        More than 1 Kazakhs, if not more, really live in China. The war with China. Perhaps only theoretically. We are separated by mountains from China, with a height of more than 000 km. There are only two passes where you can go through the technique. One of these passes can be immediately removed - on the one hand are mountains, on the other there is an abyss - I was there. All that’s left is to close the Dzungar gates. You won’t throw a lot of equipment with air. This is the first. The second one. China and I agreed to move the aircraft 000 km from the border, only border guards remained. Checks on this subject are bilateral and every half a year in my opinion. Thirdly . When nuclear weapons were removed from the territory of the KZ 4 nuclear powers gave written guarantees on the protection of our state. Russia, USA, China, France, England. And how to attack China? Yes, the same America will only be glad to insert China - all the UN will lift its ears. I am not talking about Russia and its nuclear weapons.
        In KZ you will not find almost Chinese. They are only in nat. whale. companies. I agree that in the early 90s there were many in the KZ. Then this issue was resolved - China met us and the number of Chinese in the KZ was sharply reduced. Even at flea markets with a whale. goods you will not find them. Only a guest visa. And a quota for the whale. nat. companies agreed with our Foreign Ministry. But for the Kazakhs, Dungans, Uyghurs of Chinese origin, there are practically no problems.
        1. воронов
          воронов April 3 2013 10: 06 New
          0
          Kassymu "As for the zhuzs, too, was pampered." Those. You say that at the present time, Kazakhs have absolutely no division by zhuzes and childbirth? Of course, I am not an ethnographer and not a great specialist in national issues, but at one time I had the opportunity to serve in KTurk.VO and KSAVO, to communicate with the local population, to make friends and acquaintances among them, of course I did not thoroughly study it, but so far in everyday life I practically understand the Uzbek and Kazakh language, at least now, in my own country, I communicate fluently with immigrants from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, I have always been interested in the history and culture of indigenous peoples at the duty station, and I also had to serve Zab.VO, SKVO, but many more where in the former m here with regards Soyuze.Tak zhuzes and childbirth, then I advise you to talk to any Kazakh, preferably from rural areas, preferably age 40-70 years and more, with which to begin your conversation? And it will start with the fact that in most cases, your interlocutor will ask what kind of zhuz and kind you are to determine your status. Please do not talk to the refined 15-20 summer Kazakhs (Kazakhs) from Astana, Almaty, Karaganda ... and not with Bari Alibasov, but for example with residents of the Moyynkum, Dzhuvalinsky districts of the Dzhambul region, or the Turgai district of Kustanayskaya (I apologize in advance for the Russian transcription of the names of Kazakhstani districts and regions).
          1. marshes
            marshes April 3 2013 10: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: voronov
            So with regards to zhuzes and childbirth, in this case, I will advise you to talk with any Kazakh, preferably from the countryside, preferably aged 40-70 years or more, where will your conversation begin? And it will begin with the fact that in most cases, your interlocutor will ask what kind of zhuz and kind you are to determine your status. Please do not talk to refined 15-20 year old Kazakhs (Kazakhs) from Astana, Almaty, Karaganda ... and not with Bari Alibasov, but for example with residents of the Moyynkum, Dzhuvalinsky districts of the Dzhambul region, or the Turgai district of Kustanai (I apologize in advance for the Russian transcription of the names of Kazakhstani districts and regions).
            Perhaps when communicating, you can find out what in which of the knees you can be a relative. smile And at the expense of marriage, this is one of the most important reasons, you can’t get married if the girl or the groom themselves are relatives, up to the 7th knee. By the way, I recently found out that in Tajikistan they have legally decided to ban weddings between relatives, it turns out that they don’t have it, they have problems with genetic diseases.
            1. воронов
              воронов April 4 2013 00: 39 New
              -1
              Tajiks are Iranian-speaking, completely different people, they are not Türks, they have no tribal relations
              1. Semurg
                Semurg April 4 2013 11: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: voronov
                Tajiks are Iranian-speaking, completely different people, they are not Türks, they have no tribal relations

                Your tribal relationship sounds like cannibalism. Although what’s worse, people will still be divided, not according to the clan principe, either by fellow countrymen or profession or by ideology, etc.
            2. Semurg
              Semurg April 4 2013 11: 00 New
              0
              Among Tajiks, cousins ​​and second cousins ​​often marry among themselves, probably at the expense of this law.
          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny April 9 2013 02: 08 New
            +2
            Voronov, what you wrote sounds like "I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it came from." Kazakhs know their descent, the names of their ancestors, but this factor, on the contrary, makes the nation even more monolithic. Kazakhs have never had civil wars, we have the motto "Kazakhs do not fight Kazakhs."
            I know a kind of history for many hundreds of years deep into history, I know the names of my ancestors, where and how my direct ancestors lived. The Kazakhs never had any inter-jus wars. Each Kazakh in five minutes of conversation will find relatives or compatriot points of contact.
            Regarding the ethnonym, they generally said nonsense. The self-name of our people is “Cossack” from the 15th century. These are the problems of the Russians that they called us Cossack Hordes, Kyrgyz Cossacks, Horde Cossacks, Kyrgyz Cossacks, Kyrgyz Kaisaks, Kyrgyz and then Kazakhs. We do not call ourselves and do not call ourselves such a word. Just like deutsch, they don’t call themselves “Germans”.
            Status and gender are in no way connected with each other. No Kazakh will consider another Kazakh above or below him only on the basis that he is Argyn, Naiman, Kerey, Shapyrashty, skin or even Tore-Chingizid.
            There are no dialects in the Kazakh language at all. We have a single language in all areas of a gigantic country. There are some few regional catchwords and phrases that absolutely do not pull on the role of a "separate dialect."
            Regarding the Khan-Tengri peak, I did not understand what it was said at all, but almost everyone knows about this geographical place, although it was never a "symbol of unity" of our nation. You still say that the Ural Mountains - "a symbol of the unity of the Russian nation."
            Well, I didn’t understand at all about the mythical fear of the Kazakhs before the Chinese or Russians, about which they speak Sergo... The steppes are not afraid of either their own or someone else's blood. We are the Horde. And the fact that for Russians the future Eurasian Union seems to be a continuation of the history of the USSR and the Russian Empire, for the Kazakhs it looks like a continuation of the Golden Horde and the Turkic Haganate. With the same external borders that have not changed in the Turkic worldview for XNUMX years - from the Far East to the Crimea. And instead of thinking whether we need this Ukraine as part of the Union, it is time to think about the long-term prospect of including Mongolia, Turkey, Finland, Iran, Bulgaria (possibly) in its orbit of the future Eurasian Confederation.
            Z.Y. And I personally know both the Dzhambul (Zhambyl) and Kustanai (Kostanai) regions, like the back of my hand on my five fingers. And I do not need to say that there are some "other Kazakhs" unknown to other Kazakhs, living different from Karaganda, Almaty or Astana residents. You are talking about the supposedly gigantic difference between a resident of Orenburg and a resident of Izhevsk?
  • avt
    avt April 2 2013 09: 46 New
    +7
    Quote: Good man
    Putin’s frayr ruined - Ukraine will not be in the vehicle.

    Well, if she ruined, then certainly not Putin laughing And about Ukraine’s not joining the Customs Union, so to paraphrase the late PMC - go see your woman and scare her with high-heeled shoes. laughing Free will - saved paradise. According to the Yeltsin’s testament, what have you done for Ukraine? Razvililovo about his elder brother, when he can be sent alternately so that he does not go into sovereign affairs, then shouting that he is obliged to help as an elder, remained in the 90s and will end completely with the construction of the South Stream.
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 2 2013 09: 51 New
    +4
    I just watched today's news -
    In the Verkhovna Rada, collection of signatures for personnel changes continues. The case may reach a new blocking of the rostrum and the termination of parliament.
    If all the deputies' plans are realized, by the end of the week the country may be left without a prime minister, speaker and vice speaker. The opposition promises to raise the question of the dismissal of Mykola Azarov and Vladimir Rybak, and the regionals in response collected 166 signatures for the resignation of the free man Ruslan Koshulinsky.
    The opposition has even more signatures: Arseniy Yatsenyuk said that under a lack of confidence in the government (entailing the resignation of the prime minister) 174 people put their autographs (in order to put the matter to a vote, 150 votes are needed, and for the law to be passed - 226). Inspired by this, acting leader of the "Fatherland" said he wanted a vote on Friday. The regionals are not afraid of Yatsenyuk’s initiative, but they don’t hide that Koshulinsky is revenge for Rybak. “The fisherman did not sign for the resignation of Koshulinsky, but Koshulinsky signed the resignation of Rybak. How can he work next to the speaker ?! - says the first deputy chairman of the Party of Regions faction Mikhail Chechetov. - But we still wait - let them take the first step: as soon as the question of the resignation of Rybak and Azarov is raised, we will raise the question of Koshulinsky. But they will get a donut hole, and we will slam Koshulinsky with one cartridge. ”
    Apparently, in the case of voting, it will be so - the people's deputy communist Alexander Golub told us that the Communist Party faction will vote for the dismissal of the representative of Freedom, and will not support the other two votes: “We did not vote for Koshulinsky and we believe that the member a neo-Nazi party appointed through secret arrangements cannot be in the leadership of parliament. As for Rybak, it is obvious that the opposition wants to destabilize the parliament, and we are against it. According to Azarov, we will make a decision only after we hear the report of the government. "
    http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/Oppoziciya-hochet-uvolit-Azarova-i-Rybaka.html
    xxxxxxx
    With this option, direct presidential rule may be introduced.
    In short, there is still something to "saw." That’s as soon as they’ll cut it all, and the leaders will knock over the hill, then Ukraine will ask for it in the TS. Scum!
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 2 2013 09: 58 New
      0
      Fidget, my position of neutrality, I have repeatedly voiced. But remember my word that after the dissolution of the Rada and the introduction of the direct rule of the president, Ukraine and the CU will quickly sign all the agreements.
      Yanukovych will blame the OOP for the collapse of the parliament and the collapse of all Ukraine, and against this background they will join the CU. Actually, he will raise his rating in the southeast and will quite bypass Tyagnibok in 2015.
      So in 2 years, Ukraine will become a police state and a member of the CU ... and there it will ...
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 2 2013 10: 17 New
        +6
        I do not think that Yanukovych will remain. Everything will be decided by the "oligarchy". Considering that, as O. Buzina wrote, analyzing the “treaty”, they talk a lot about the happiness of Ukraine’s associated membership in the European Union. And they are silent about what threatens us after signing this treaty. But the following threatens: the political part of the agreement enters into force only after approval by each EU country. But the economic component is mandatory for Kiev immediately after signing. Ukraine is committed to bring the environmental standards of its energy and heavy industry to EU standards. This will lead to the closure of three quarters of our steel mills and thermal power plants. Ukraine is committed to altering railways to a narrow European standard. To do this, throw a lot of money and put up with traffic jams on the eastern and northern borders, where our cars will be rearranged on carts of the current model. Ukraine is committed to introducing more than 20 of thousands of European standards - up to the width of sidewalks and the voltage in the electric network. And finally, Ukraine should ban
        SALE OF PRODUCTS FROM FRAGRANCE SITES. This means that the Ukrainian must part with the usual way of life. A grandmother selling parsley, carrots, or home-grown chicken will die out like a fist in 30. You don’t even buy peasant lard, and the meat will burst ice cream - imported. All that remains of the Ukrainian peasant will be finished off by association with the EU. Is it possible to hope that the contract will be signed, but not executed by Ukraine? Not! Europe will not allow this. According to the draft agreement, immediately after its signing, an Association Council is formed. It will include one representative from Ukraine and twenty-eight from the EU. In fact, this is not advice, but the liquidation commission of the Ukrainian economy. And independence too. By the way, not a word is said about the visa-free regime in the contract! This is bondage. Very beneficial for Europe. And deadly for you and me. Paid European integration agents receiving premiums for their agitation with one foot in Europe. The rest will have to live in Ukraine. They should consider whether to sacrifice their grandmother with parsley to such a "European integration"?
        http://www.segodnya.ua/blogs/olesbuzinablog/Blog-Olesya-Buziny-ES-nashey-babushk

        e-konec.html
        xxxxxx
        Everything will depend on how much you can steal or lose with this "transition to European standards". They will calculate for sure - then they will decide which way to go !!!!
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 2 2013 10: 34 New
          +6
          Yes, there will be no EU for Ukraine.
          This is more of a chatter for Putin.
          Quote: Egoza
          SALE OF PRODUCTS FROM FRAGRANCE SITES

          This is excuse nonsense))) Even if you join the EU, then how to control it? Markets close? So they will sell at home. You can’t put all the cops)

          As for Yanukovych, then he has only one way out - to take power! Only then can he not sit in the bunk in 2 years. And integration with the vehicle. The only way he will get personal protection + sympathy of many Ukrainians advocating an alliance with Russia. In all other cases, the court awaits him ... for they will throw ... their own.
          1. bootlegger
            bootlegger April 2 2013 11: 15 New
            +1
            I agree. The EBN scheme lives and wins.
            Only now will the former republics of the USSR attract it.
            All politicians are like that. And everyone wants guarantees after resignation ...
          2. Egoza
            Egoza April 2 2013 13: 41 New
            0
            Quote: Skavron
            This is excuse nonsense))) Even if you join the EU, then how to control it?

            Sorry, but in the association agreement there is a real and concrete mention of markets. And it is clearly indicated there: to ban the sale of meat (tenderloin), homemade butter, honey, pickles ... there is something else, I don’t remember now. And it’s elementary to control the trip once to observers and the country will receive sanctions for violation .... and sellers will pay fines. (By the way, observers from Europe to the village even came to see us at the elections). And under the guise of EU bans, how many dishonest militiamen will warm their hands?
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 2 2013 14: 04 New
              -4
              Sanctions sanctions, but will trade)
              1. TRAFFIC
                TRAFFIC April 2 2013 15: 10 New
                +3
                Of course there will be, someone blurted out and raced on the internet, to spit that in Europe they quietly sell products on the markets, which can be easily seen after spending 10 minutes in Google, but it is Ukraine that is not here. laughing Also with the railway, in Spain, Portugal, Finland, the Baltic republics (all EU), the gauge is different from the European one, but it is Ukraine, it is necessary to suddenly shift all gauges. wassat
                1. Nevsky
                  Nevsky April 2 2013 21: 20 New
                  +2
                  TRAFFIC

                  I partially agree with you. Why partially? The example of Bulgaria is clear. At the insistence of the EU, enterprises and nuclear power plants were closed, and, as a result, w ... and American monopolistic companies.
          3. edge
            edge April 2 2013 20: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Skavron
            This is excuse nonsense))) Even if you join the EU, then how to control it? Markets close? So they will sell at home. You can’t put all the cops)

            yeah, the Balts also thought so, and still stand in a crustacean pose for there is nowhere to go.
      2. edge
        edge April 2 2013 20: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Skavron
        So in 2 years, Ukraine will become a police state and a member of the CU.

        ........ and God said, get what you want
      3. karbofos
        karbofos April 3 2013 00: 42 New
        0
        what does the police state mean more
    2. edge
      edge April 2 2013 20: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      That's as soon as everyone sawed, and the leaders dumped over the hill

      ....... naive, they know perfectly well what they should dump over a hill, they will strip it off like a stick and kick it back. There are enough of their parasites.
  • Cherkas
    Cherkas April 2 2013 11: 00 New
    +1
    Skavron, you do not take into account the dangerous situation - the disappointment of the people in the PR, those who voted for him and the open hatred of the rest of the population, who for the process of European integration and implementation of reforms along this path, today we will see how Kiev residents respect themselves, and then how Ukrainians respect themselves . As for the CU ... one can argue a lot about the political and geopolitical component of such an alliance, so I will focus on the economic component of the CU.
    1. Part of intra-block trade in the TS is 11%, which is 6 times less than in the EU, 5 times less than in China-ASEAN, 4 times less than in NAFTA.
    2. Over the past 16 years, the volume of domestic trade in the CIS has fallen by 2 times and this is not the choice of the authorities, not of the states, but of business.
    3. The point is that in the international division of labor, the CIS countries are exporters of raw materials and importers of products from this raw material (63% mineral fuel, for comparison, 70% of the structure of world trade are manufacturing products)
    4. Strange as it may seem, it is Russia that creates the problems in the CU, with only 7,4% of merchandise exports to the CU, imports even less than 5%, but export to the EU is about 50%, and these are business interests .
    5. An interesting situation, in the first year of the existence of the CU, the export of Russia to Belarus and Kazakhstan increased by 13,9%, the export of Belarus and Kazakhstan to Russia decreased by 9,8%, the export of Ukraine to Russia, which is not a part of the CU, decreased by 4,6 , XNUMX%.
    6. Over the period of the existence of the CU, there has been a sharp shadowing of trade in the countries participating in the CU. Stat. Kazakhstan’s bureau published 483. million dollars of foreign trade with Belarus, and in Belarus this figure was 647 million dollars according to its statistics.
    7. The main problem of the TS is the raw material structure of the Russian economy.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 2 2013 12: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Cherkas
      disappointment of the people in OL

      That is why, for Yanukovych personally, all that remains is the dissolution of the authorities, the usurpation of power, and the entry into the Customs Union under personal preferences for themselves on the part of Russia. Although they can also throw ... but ours can and that ...
      So now I think that Viti has a headache ... so that she wouldn’t be ill then ... pa.
  • Oshin
    Oshin April 2 2013 11: 01 New
    +2
    And Kiev itself will already be in an interesting position: the situation between the two unions - the European and Eurasian, in the first of which they do not take it, in the second - for some unintelligible reason, it itself does not want to enter
    It’s a pity that the Slav brothers are so attuned to us ((((
    If you want to defeat Russia, separate from not Ukraine. I don’t remember who said it, but it has already been adopted.
    here is a link to one article, I became interested in the author’s arguments regarding Russophobia and its harm to Russia's neighbors.
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/176259-vazgen-avagyan-russkiy-narod-muc
    henik-i-pravednik-izbaloval-vseh-nas.html
    Loyalty to Russia is not only the sacred duty of the Eurasian peoples, but also a commonplace condition for their survival.
    1. Oshin
      Oshin April 2 2013 11: 09 New
      +4
      Many abroad (especially in the USA) call the Eurasian Union the new USSR). So be it. But tell me, during the Soviet Union, Russia abandoned its own if they had serious problems?
      And the European Union throws:
      The EU, using the example of Cyprus, has shown that from now on it does not intend to just help the states of the union that find themselves in a difficult financial situation. Estonia may also be in place of Cyprus, which manages to make ends meet only thanks to help from the EU.

      The size of European aid since 2004 exceeded 4 billion euros - this is more than the semi-annual state budget of Estonia.

      But this state of affairs does not last forever. According to the plans developed before Estonia joined the EU, financial assistance to the country was designed only for 10 years, that is, until 2014. No one approved the new plans, which means that in a year the EU can put Estonians on a dry ration.

      In this case, two options are possible, and both of them are bad. The first option: the state will begin to further reduce costs, for example, by finally abolishing free medicine, cutting pensions and what else can be cut there. Simultaneously, taxes will increase.

      The second option: the Estonian leadership will ask the EU not to stop helping. In this case, the country will be required to fulfill certain conditions. Cyprus, for example, was helped only on the condition that bank depositors were robbed there. On what terms they agree to help Estonia, one can only guess.

      Recall, to save Cyprus, a package of 12 measures has been prepared that will direct the economy in the right direction and help move on to growth. These measures should be implemented within three to six months. They are based on attracting foreign investment, as well as protecting vulnerable groups.

      Earlier, finance ministers of the eurozone countries confirmed the allocation of a stabilization loan to Cyprus in the amount of 10 billion euros. Accounts over 100 thousand in banks in Cyprus will be temporarily frozen and taxed, which, according to unconfirmed reports, can be up to 40%. As expected, this measure will raise up to $ 4,2 billion. Moreover, the accounts of all other banks in Cyprus will not be taxed.
      source: http://oko-planet.su/finances/financesnews/176291-estonii-predrekli-sudbu-kipra.
      html
      1. Egen
        Egen April 2 2013 12: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Oshin
        No one approved the new plans, which means that in a year the EU can put Estonians on a dry ration.

        Well, who will pity them?
      2. edge
        edge April 2 2013 21: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Oshin
        In this case, the accounts of all other banks in Cyprus will not be taxed

        everything is right, they don’t touch their own while eliminating a competitor
    2. HAIFISCH
      HAIFISCH April 2 2013 12: 50 New
      +1
      Otto von Bismarck
    3. Olaf
      Olaf April 2 2013 13: 12 New
      -1
      That is why Ukraine is “invited” to the CU. And invitations are super-cheap, gas, as well as all sorts of food "invitations" from Onishchenko. Everything looks very dumb and primitive. You, and we too, therefore, lost to the West the 3rd World (financial), because you are not very far-sighted, or rather just stupid.
      To everyone who says here that they say that Ukraine is not needed for nothing: why are you so persistently inviting Ukraine to the CU? As evidence, custom-made propaganda articles wherever possible. But everything is very simple: in Ukraine there are 45 million people, and almost everything is Slavic. This, I think, is not much less than the number of “whites” in Russia. Well, Russians do not want to multiply and that's it. And it turns out - there are resources, but there is no one to develop. And populating your expanses with the Chinese and Caucasians is suicide for you, and everyone understands this. So if the groom wants the bride, then he needs to look after her, and not starve))). But seriously, the Ukrainians joined in the construction of the empire no less than the Russians, and judging by everything, they would have to rebuild it together. And if yours continue to conduct policies in this way, only memories will remain from Russia - once again the price of oil and gas will be dropped - and it will be covered.
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman April 2 2013 11: 30 New
    +3
    EAC is a great idea, but there is one BUT ... there are too many contradictions for its creation. It is one thing when external players do not want to see the EAC on the map due to certain competition and simply the growth of "hostile countries" such. like the Russian Federation, Bulorussia, and it’s another matter when underwater reefs and stones appear inside these countries themselves, which also bring their resonance. the main thing is that the creation of the EAC in the near future does not turn out to be his demise, because "friends" made it clear that they would do their utmost to prevent its occurrence!
    It needs a cold calculation of 2-3 moves forward and pragmatism. Take your time, confidently go to your goal! In this connection, I wish the leaders and everyone involved in the creation of the EAU a firm spirit and unshakable faith in our bright future through such integration!
  • Skavron
    Skavron April 2 2013 11: 51 New
    -4
    I can not attach comments.
    What is the reason?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 12: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Skavron
      What is the reason?

      Clean cookies and cache, reload to the site.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 2 2013 12: 04 New
        0
        Maybe you should write an article about "clear cookies and cache"? I can help
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 2 2013 12: 05 New
      0
      Which browser do you have?
      1. Skavron
        Skavron April 2 2013 13: 37 New
        -1
        Yes, everything is fine already
        cookies and cache
  • SCS
    SCS April 2 2013 11: 52 New
    +1
    it turns out the Europeans are reselling our gas! they take for 375, and hand over to the brothers Ukrainians for 404 belay !!!!!! to fool, this is where to fit! ??? We are engaged in patronage for Europe ???????????????? belay
    1. Egen
      Egen April 2 2013 12: 41 New
      +1
      Well, 29 bucks for 1000m3 for gas transportation if - it's not much. Another question - how much pipe capacity do they have in this direction? But there are probably times to download
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 2 2013 13: 44 New
      0
      Quote: SCS
      it turns out the Europeans are reselling our gas!

      Absolutely in the hole! laughing What do you think? European business!
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman April 2 2013 13: 53 New
        0
        and try to reproach them. they will say that gas supplies by Russia are a political tool. That’s convenient crap - democracy! angry
    3. Kimeran
      Kimeran April 2 2013 14: 59 New
      0
      maybe you need to look at the situation not about "patronage for Europe" but "an interesting price for Ukraine" if it’s cheaper to take gas from Europe ....?
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 2 2013 12: 28 New
    +2
    And why Ukraine can not sell gas at the price of Germany? I never understood that. Yes, and closer Ukraine. Maybe this is specially done so that we claw together?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 2 2013 13: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: fzr1000
      And why Ukraine can not sell gas at the price of Germany? I never understood that. Yes, and closer Ukraine.

      So after all, Julia signed such an agreement. And I do not blame the GDP - he respected the interests of his country! But she really had to avoid all sorts of troubles due to the fact that at one time she defended the RF Ministry of Defense for some lemons there. She was even declared wanted on Interpol, only she managed to slip into the inviolable deputies, and then slip into the prime minister. And now, because of her, we disentangle. For this, in fact, they planted her, because part of the documents was falsified - there was no approval of the Cabinet and all signatures. So here Europe is blathering about "political prisoners" - Julia was not a frail sponsor in the international liberal party.
      1. Good man
        Good man April 2 2013 14: 04 New
        -1
        Quote: Egoza
        And I do not blame the GDP - he respected the interests of his country!

        Well, yes, a holy man entered into a criminal conspiracy with a thief and, in violation of the laws of the Russian Federation, stopped the criminal prosecution of it in exchange for billions from the Ukrainian budget. She’s going to jail for this, and he is a hero, and in Ukraine they close schools (550 in two years) and hospitals ... To put it mildly, your logic is strange for you as a resident of Ukraine ...
        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 2 2013 14: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: Good man
          and in Ukraine, schools (550 in two years) and hospitals are closed.

          So is it Putin's fault? Or maybe you just can’t be independent?
        2. Egoza
          Egoza April 2 2013 19: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Good man
          entered into criminal conspiracy with a thief

          Sorry. She was then prime minister.
          And about the closure of schools - how many Russian schools were closed, and how many were translated into Ukrainian, contrary to the wishes of the people?
          1. Good man
            Good man April 2 2013 20: 15 New
            -1
            Quote: Egoza
            Sorry. She was then prime minister.

            Quote: ATATA
            So is it Putin's fault?

            The President of the Russian Federation either blackmailed the Prime Minister of Ukraine or entered into a criminal conspiracy with her, causing damage to the budget of Ukraine, many billions of dollars in losses overpriced gas prices. Putin-Tymoshenko - criminals who stole billions of dollars from an already impoverished budget. To justify Putin is the same as justifying a thief rummaging through the pockets of a drunk or sick man.
            Quote: Egoza
            And about the closure of schools - how many Russian schools were closed, and how many were translated into Ukrainian, contrary to the wishes of the people?
            And how many? 400 or 600 schools were closed last year. In this plan to close like 150.
            And where does the Russian-not Russian. Do you also divide hospitals into Russian and not Russian? Are the roads also Russian and not Russian?
            Quote: ATATA
            Or maybe you just can’t be independent?

            Yeah, the Untermensch we are all 40 million. Have you read Hitler?
            1. ATATA
              ATATA April 2 2013 21: 18 New
              +2
              Good man Well, you always have someone to blame, forever someone interferes!
              Well, what kind of independence is it that Putin doesn’t allow to straighten his back and shoulders?
              But in general, you know, some representatives of the Ukrainian people are like a little brother who blames the older brother for everything, they either didn’t wipe his ass, or they didn’t tie his laces, they sold expensive gas, or they slipped the prime minister on the wrong one. Well, she’s not capable of independent life, because she’s small, but she wants to be like big, but she’s not strong.
              Ohoho .... to you 21 years ago gave independenceWhat else do you want from Russia ?! Enter wherever you want, just kick yourself. hi
              1. Good man
                Good man April 2 2013 22: 34 New
                0
                Quote: ATATA
                you always have someone to blame, forever someone interferes!
                Well, what kind of independence is it that Putin doesn’t allow to straighten his back and shoulders?

                This is all of course very interesting. But we are not talking about common things, humanitarian issues or some kind of historical prescriptions, but about a specific situation with gas, with specific people violating a specific article of the criminal code of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Losses from which Ukraine bears every month.
                Quote: ATATA
                Ohoho .... You were given independence 21 years ago, what else do you want from Russia ?! Enter wherever you want, just kick yourself

                Do not need anything. Just do not need your leadership to rummage in our pockets with the hands of Tymoshenko or anyone else.
                1. zardoz
                  zardoz April 3 2013 06: 13 New
                  0
                  In the Code of the Russian Federation, there seems to be nothing about what you say. And according to the Code of Ukraine, a person is already punished. And here Putin is not clear
            2. zardoz
              zardoz April 3 2013 06: 11 New
              +1
              Yes, despite the fact that the Ukrainian open instead of Russian. There is no money to close schools (and Ukrainian too) and do not open others.
            3. Don
              Don April 4 2013 17: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Good man
              And how many? 400 or 600 schools were closed last year. In this plan to close like 150.

              What does the school have to do with TS?
    2. Kimeran
      Kimeran April 2 2013 15: 01 New
      0
      bingo!!!

      In general, there are a lot of "dark" spots around the pricing of both gas and transportation.
  • Mihailo
    Mihailo April 2 2013 12: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Skavron
    Quote: Don
    In which country do I need to buy a phone with a passport?

    In Russia, and Simka, too

    Completely sick, where in RUSSIA do you sell a phone with passports ????????????
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 2 2013 13: 38 New
      -7
      hear healthy ... read above
  • Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 2 2013 12: 51 New
    +1
    Strange word-turn: "an interesting position" for the state!? Is (lies) Ukraine by the road with legs wide apart, waiting: Who will saddle her? The EU, the CU or some other SS, in general - who will give more and will it be possible to pokapriznichat then? Be equal than equals? etc. [left] [/ left] Isn’t it easier to send Yushch, Khlyshch and Shapoklyak to visit us ....................... on Kolyma? And with the "adequate" we agree fraternally !!!! yes wink smile
    1. Kimeran
      Kimeran April 2 2013 15: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Hyus-124
      But isn’t it easier to send Yushch, Khlysch and Shapoklyak to visit us ....................... in Kolyma?


      and who will send it? :(
  • HAM
    HAM April 2 2013 13: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Skavron
    Everyone hears what he wants to hear.

    Well, about the loss of independence laughing

    n then the whim of virginity
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 2 2013 13: 29 New
    +1
    I wonder why Yanukovych is so struggling for gas at a low price? Indeed, the population of Ukraine pays for it in full and production is mostly bankrupt and ruined (I judge by the example of Lisichansk: 2 glassworks are standing, Donsoda is completely destroyed, the refinery is standing, etc.). There is only one conclusion: to get cheaper and then sell further more expensive, at the same time, residents of Donbass are convinced that Russia is to blame for the collapse of enterprises without giving cheap gas.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 2 2013 14: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: mhpv
      at the same time, residents of Donbass are convinced that Russia is to blame for the collapse of enterprises without giving cheap gas.

      Well, I, as a resident of Donbass, do not blame Russia for the collapse of many enterprises. The "efficient sovereigns" are to blame
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 2 2013 14: 10 New
        0
        I didn’t mean the residents of Donbass, but just the authorities
    2. Kimeran
      Kimeran April 2 2013 15: 05 New
      +1
      that's just the production (some) and pays do not understand at what prices - this is the time;
      - in the structure of the cost of production of some industries, the cost of gas has a strong share, so the cheaper, the better.
  • vampik88
    vampik88 April 2 2013 14: 39 New
    +7
    the nagging of these zapadentsiv kills me ... although he himself is from western Ukraine .... they just can do anything ... I can’t blame Russia for all the troubles ... although most work for rubles at construction sites ... hope for Europe that they will accept an absurdity .... they don’t have a banana republic ... I don’t need .... nobody speaks about the most important indicator of economics, scared of the 52 million people there are less than 42 ... ...... the country is in a complete economic asshole .. .. here they are 20
    1. Kimeran
      Kimeran April 2 2013 15: 15 New
      +1
      so right to reproach this daaaaa and also if you pay someone for work to reproach ....
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 2 2013 14: 51 New
    +4
    Zapadnentsy in Moscow work not only in construction sites, but also in normal places (in good warehouses, etc.) and, if possible, move to live, and there they blow with might and main “yak ........ high).
    But Putin simply made it clear to Yanukovych that saving the drowning man is the work of the drowning man himself. He offers to get on the ship, and he yells at me that you don’t need anything, not even gas, Europe will give me a boat and take it in tow.
  • Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin April 2 2013 16: 18 New
    +7
    Somewhere already wrote that when Kiev comes to its senses and starts knocking on the door, it will be too late. It is a pity that the people of Ukraine suffer from the ambitions of traitors in the Rada. And indeed, throughout the USSR (I do not write "former") ambitions
    politicians from some countries simply go wild; but who should pay? Well, they are blind, why should they offer something that they do not see point blank? Let's wait until they begin to suck in the swamp.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov April 2 2013 17: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: GoldKonstantin
      It is a pity that the people of Ukraine suffer from the ambitions of traitors in the Rada.

      Quote: GoldKonstantin
      politicians’ ambitions in some countries simply go wild, and who should pay?

      Politicians act on the orders of Capital, for which such a characteristic as nationality is absent.
      Marx has not yet been canceled. Therefore, it is worth remembering that:
      At 300 percent (profit), there is no such crime that he (Capital) would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows ...
      Only this can explain the savagery that is happening on the territory of the former USSR!
      hi
  • Prosto vovochka
    Prosto vovochka April 2 2013 18: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: krasin

    Do not drag Ukraine into the TS. They have their own vision of the future. They have the main thing to build difficulties in order to overcome them later. But they are to blame for this - the Russians.

    Absolutely wrong, Ukraine has two, hear Krasin, two problems. This is w and d s and mos-ka-li. Having decided them, Ukraine will soar in all respects. True, I confess. it’s not my “thought”; it is someone who thinks Tyagnibok and 10% of his voters. Personally, I am for the vehicle.
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 April 2 2013 19: 00 New
    +3
    Ukraine is a sovereign state and let them enter wherever they want
  • LAO
    LAO April 2 2013 19: 34 New
    -3
    There is no need to join the vehicle. 300 years have been together so what? Serfdom was abolished by the very last, capitalism, revolution, socialism, again capitalism and all 300 years old - ASS!
    It's time to change something, tired!
    Germany was defeated - they live now, and we vegetate.
    Even if we don’t join the EU, it’s not worth joining the CU!
    PS 1. For the past 20 years, Ukrainian boys have not been in Chechnya.
    How many lives have been saved! How many coffins have come from Agana (mothers and fathers have been "blessed"). Russia needs territories and "cannon fodder" for Avgan, Chechnya, Vietnam and hell knows what else!
    2. Someone appreciated Ukraine -0, and Russia -1 is already a direct disrespect for the state! Someone believes that Ukraine is 0 so easy to pull it into the vehicle.
    3. Russian fascists are no better than Ukrainian.
    4.Selling to the country you want to be friends with, gas at the highest price in Europe is nonsense! Or you can rob your own? !!
    1. edge
      edge April 2 2013 21: 32 New
      +1
      Germany was defeated - they live now, and we vegetate. miracle, the FRG was raised only as a counterweight, for it was a buffer state ..... Germany stopped paying Belgium's debts for the first world only 3 years ago, Jews will be paid another 70 years .......
    2. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior April 2 2013 23: 46 New
      0
      Quote: LAO
      .For the past 20 years, Ukrainian boys at least have not been to Chechnya.

      Hmm .... So UNA-UNSO-not Ukrainians? clear laughing
    3. buga1979
      buga1979 April 3 2013 00: 31 New
      0
      and you can accuse your own of genocide and your own?
    4. zardoz
      zardoz April 3 2013 06: 19 New
      +1
      In general, Ukraine also sold gas at $ 50 per thousand cubic meters. Until someone started to work out.
    5. Don
      Don April 4 2013 17: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: LAO
      How many lives have been saved! How many coffins have come from Agana (mothers and fathers have been "blessed"). Russia needs territories and "cannon fodder" for Avgan, Chechnya, Vietnam and hell knows what else!

      First, find out how to spell Afghanistan. In your opinion, only Ukrainians fought in Afghanistan? Do not carry nonsense. Here, in general, the Customs Union is being discussed. At least read something about him? What does Afghanistan, Chechnya, Vietnam have to do with the CU? By the way you wrote the word Avgan, I can judge that you are still a kid who is poorly versed in what he says.
      Quote: LAO
      Serfdom was abolished by the most recent,

      Only 50 years later than in Europe, and the United States abolished slavery 4 years later.
  • Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 2 2013 19: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Kimeran
    Quote: Hyus-124
    But isn’t it easier to send Yushch, Khlysch and Shapoklyak to visit us ....................... in Kolyma?


    and who will send it? :(

    And what, Tarasy was transferred? Only pi left ------ sy? There must be more patriots in the Rada, SBU, MO .......!?
  • Gecko
    Gecko April 2 2013 20: 00 New
    +1
    At one time, Ukrainians received gas for 20 years at 50 usd per cubic meter of gas, and at the same time we were blamed and blamed for all the troubles. Because the cost of gas is more expensive, this is compensation for the 20 years that you did not value those billions of dollars in subsidies in your economy.
  • Vinogradov
    Vinogradov April 2 2013 20: 02 New
    0
    I am surprised why everyone switched to Ukraine. here, and the fool understands that they will undertake to remember, to remember, but they will be with us. we will not offend them, unlike the EU.

    I’m interested in the prospect of Tajiks & CO.
  • savastyanov
    savastyanov April 2 2013 20: 07 New
    +2
    Only Putin will lead Russia to greatness !!
  • Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 2 2013 20: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Vinogradov
    I am surprised why everyone switched to Ukraine. here, and the fool understands that they will undertake to remember, to remember, but they will be with us. we will not offend them, unlike the EU.

    I’m interested in the prospect of Tajiks & CO.

    Me too. I think it is necessary to turn to “Mr. Mauser” or “Makarov” with this question, to work for the FMS. yes
  • Chavy
    Chavy April 2 2013 21: 49 New
    +3
    Ukraine looks only at prices and benefits, but the fact that we should not be together for money, otherwise they will turn into a geyropa and will supply their children to EU pedophiles, and they don’t understand the authorities. They love Slavic children in America, in Russia they blocked oxygen

    In general, the question here is this: Ukraine to join the Customs Union and no conditions, they are not in that position. And for this I still have to say thank you for inviting and persuading. Where is it seen that such rich countries with raw materials like Russia and Kazakhstan invite and persuade a country with a destroyed economy and without resources ?? It’s ridiculously simple, still arrogance enough to argue on this subject!
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 2 2013 23: 05 New
      -3
      One question...
      after reading your comment
      WHY UKRAINE (a country with a destroyed economy and without resources) are pulled into the CU by rich neighbors?
      I don’t believe in altruism!
      1. Chavy
        Chavy April 3 2013 00: 16 New
        +4
        Then, so that you do not fall under NATO and do not establish bases and do not become our enemies forever, including yourself. We are historically fraternal peoples and therefore we need to stick together.
  • stranik72
    stranik72 April 2 2013 22: 08 New
    +2
    Do not touch Ukraine, it is not with Russia now, and nothing depends on your whine, as soon as life in Russia becomes an order of magnitude more worthy for the people, then the people of Ukraine will solve all issues, but for now it’s unlikely. So we will build a vehicle without it, more difficult, but we will.
  • Skavron
    Skavron April 2 2013 23: 06 New
    -1
    I’ll become a sergeant as well. laughing bully
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS April 2 2013 23: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Skavron
    And you’re advised ... don’t upset me with such hysterical comments anymore ... be smarter.


    Quote: Skavron
    I’ll become a sergeant as well.


    The more primitive a person is, the higher his opinion of himself
    Erich Maria Remarque
  • nod739
    nod739 April 3 2013 00: 19 New
    +4
    Quote: Skavron
    That's why we don’t want to ... live under your dictation.

    look at all the eastern members of the EU, compare their economies now and 20 years ago, just numbers. Bulgaria yugoslavia, estonia ... etc
    Bulgaria has lost atomic energy and is now buying at European prices. In Ukraine, how many nuclear power plants? 4 if I am not mistaken, God forbid, one will remain from integration, then not only will you buy gas from geramania.

    compare the economy of at least Belarus, where 9,5 million people and Ukraine where almost 50 million, and GDP is not 1: 5, but 1: 2 because it’s not Western games

    when you had cosmonauts with Russia, and you had your own design bureaus and research institutes and industry - is it a little better, where is it?
    I know the answer to before - Moscow is to blame
  • morpex
    morpex April 3 2013 00: 20 New
    0
    O_RUS Yesterday, 01: 37 ↑
    0 Quote: morpex
    frankly hating her

    Lying ! For I went to Russia to improve my qualifications, so that later, in Kiev, I would pass on my knowledge. You - blah blah blah and nothing more.


    Quote: morpex
    Russia has nothing to do with it. I meant only you.

    ... already twist .... typical for a forum fighter, who has gotten into his head deeply.
    The administration deleted your com. where you pour mud on Russia, fomenting between. nat. discord


    0 Quote: O_RUS
    Lying !

    True, you are now discussing the article “Knocking on the EEC, sit and insult another ordinary Ukrainian who simply defends his homeland from attacks such as you. Some stupidly negate him, others convince him in a normal language, as you always went down to banal insults. So, really !
    Quote: O_RUS
    For I went to Russia to improve my qualifications, so that later, in Kiev, I would pass on my knowledge.

    Unlike you, I upgrade my skills and hunch here in my homeland that I love. What I have been doing is already written. And bother to read my comments first, I always had my own point of view on various events and didn’t go down to the boulevard which is rushing from you uncle. Logically, if I were a Russophobe, what shoulder straps would I have now?

    Quote: O_RUS
    The administration deleted your com. where you pour mud on Russia, fomenting between. nat. discord

    Throw your uncle. You have already gotten me pretty by your inadequacy! My comment was a comment to the moderators about the anti-Ukrainian article. Yes, and the image was a Ukrainian in a fascist flag there. And I considered it to be a very negative attitude and will consider it normal! Unlike some of my compatriots who left for the "internship." Good there " interned "
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS April 3 2013 00: 28 New
    -1
    Quote: morpex
    lose the BIGGEST WHOLESALE BUYER !!!!!
    _A few words from com.I Ukrainian

    ... we remove the husk from the words of a Ukrainian, we really look at the situation with the gas pipeline through Ukraine ...
    As a result, we get
    ... lose the BIGGEST WHOLESALE THIEF ...

    and this is only a plus for the Russians
    1. morpex
      morpex April 3 2013 21: 58 New
      -2
      Quote: O_RUS
      lose the BIGGEST WHOLESALE THIEF ...

      Facts Uncle! Data !! Who? When? And how much he stole. And preferably the facts of independent experts and not interested persons. And so ..... The price to your statements is worthless ...
      Uncle and you are not a Jew by chance? Or maybe someone in the family was? And then to me your hatred of the people of Ukraine starts to remind you of something ...
  • nod739
    nod739 April 3 2013 10: 11 New
    0
    Quote: LAO
    all 300 years-ASS!
    It's time to change something, tired!
    Germany was defeated - they live now, and we vegetate.

    See the root. revolution - made the west, both wars - the west
    Cold War - again the plan for the destruction of the USSR, read about 52-53 about the Korean War. if it hadn’t existed, 50 million slaves would live in the whole post-Soviet space, extracting resources for the West, and almost satisfied with their lives (these are the plans of the West and the USA, read Brzezhinsky)
    see the whole history of the western colonies - devastation, the looting of war and the suggestion that it is good

    Quote: LAO
    Even if we don’t join the EU, it’s not worth joining the CU!
    PS 1. For the past 20 years, Ukrainian boys have not been in Chechnya.
    How many lives have been saved! How many coffins have come from Agana (mothers and fathers have been "blessed"). Russia needs territories and "cannon fodder" for Avgan, Chechnya, Vietnam and hell knows what else!

    yours were found in Chechnya and Georgia, mercenaries, this is known
    drugs are coming out of avgan now - more than 15 years ago all over the world including colombia, and believe me - there are more victims than in Afghanistan 80s
    and this problem is sooooo huge and not only for Ukraine
    and all these Vietnam, Korea - those wars, read what was achieved

    Quote: LAO
    4.Selling to the country you want to be friends with, gas at the highest price in Europe is nonsense! Or you can rob your own? !!

    Have you seen this gas produced? at least go to Surgut, I’m silent about the Far North, and believe me it’s better to live in Ukraine without gas than in the North with gold diamonds and gas - I know what I’m talking about — relatives in Ukraine, I regularly visit independent, I can compare
    and the fact that the price is slightly higher than for the Germans - so do not steal ...
    5 years ago it was said - let’s own this gas together, transit is not an article of excess profit, otherwise ... now it goes directly to Germany, and that train left
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 3 2013 14: 29 New
      +1
      The northern premium is paid not in vain. My father went to the village of Kogalym back in 1979 (which is translated from the Khanty language as a "black spot"), in 1989, on the recommendation of doctors, our family left the city of Kogalym, all who arrived with my father did not live to be 50 years old.
  • pensioner
    pensioner April 3 2013 14: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: Good man
    Another article for brainwashing Russians. The price is 530 dollars. The author makes a mug of brick and is silent about the Kharkov agreements and the payment of 100 dollars per cubic meter, after which it is still cheaper to buy Russian gas in Europe than from Gazprom
    Reading the statements of the "patriotic" Ukrainians, well, I can not help but say "You are talking about what guys!". Yes, for a country like Ukraine, these $ 100 per cube should be just a penny. Well, they concluded a disadvantageous contract - it happens. So wait, be patient. This should be treated as a minor trouble that will pass. The fact is that Ukraine has brought itself to such a state that these unfortunate 100 dollars per cube became for her a matter of life and death. But patriotism is not in bargaining these $ 100, but in doing something for the country. Yes, you restore the brand of what is possible. What cannot be restored - rebuild. Tighten, bend the oligarchs, cooperate with someone. Yes, even with Znzibar, if faith does not allow you with Russia, but build. Bring back at least part of the greatness of Ukraine at least the 80s. Feed the people. After all, a well-fed people with a good mood for oligarchs and the authorities have no complaints. Throw away all the social science textbooks in the trash. Do not know how to write honest - no need. And instead of any crap - physics, chemistry, mathematics. After all, the Ukrainian engineering school was the best in the USSR. And tell us better about what is being built, share your success. I’m honestly will be pleased for you. And many will consider you true patriots. In 80-90g. worked a lot in Ukraine (metallurgy, mining). Only the best memories. What a power it was!
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 9 2013 02: 25 New
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      kagbe, the "engineering school" of the Ukrainian SSR was created ... by the Americans in the first two Stalin five-year plans. The payment to the Americans of Albert Kahn’s office was not from the “pocket of Moscow”, but due to the expropriation and sale to the West of bread and meat from the Ukrainians, Kazakhs and Volzhans themselves, which ultimately resulted in the notorious famines (plus Siberian wood and church was paid treasures, etc. - in return, we got all of the “Stalinist industry and science,” created before the end of the 30s in the country of really “workers and peasants”). To pretend that the "Russian people" taught the Ukrainians engineering is a stupid occupation. Look who generally designed and created KhAI, DneproGES, etc. - Americans who, with the hunger of their Great Depression, eagerly pushed to work in the USSR for Stalin.
  • nod739
    nod739 April 3 2013 16: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: retired
    Reading the statements of the "patriotic" Ukrainians, well, I can not help but say "You are talking about what guys!". Yes, for a country like Ukraine, these $ 100 per cube should be just a penny. Well, they concluded a disadvantageous contract - it happens.


    and 10 years have not passed when they sold gas to Ukraine two times cheaper than to Germany. and then vseravno with the Jews were to blame for all Ukrainian troubles
  • marshes
    marshes April 3 2013 18: 17 New
    +4
    In short with the vehicle, before the forest was bought in Russia by customs and other smile Now it’s easier, but the Russians wanted to “move” me. Everyone found out where and how I sell the forest, I feel good does not smell, I said goodbye. smile Let them breed themselves and build up the clementure.
    LDSP Polish increased in price at times, not only have to buy Novgorod, quality ??? You can not explain to customers that the same company, only a branch.
    Russian furniture - glory to the heavenly boss smile that we have designers and architects, furniture either doesn’t fit or turn around. smile
    and at the expense of Ukraine, good postforming, countertops, not expensive, although customs, cheaper than Russian, Polish and Austrian. Good colors.
    Ukraine, if it joins the TS, then someone will be khan laughing They will crush the cheap until prices are level.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 9 2013 02: 28 New
      +3
      It seems that they bring furniture "wood" from Azerbaijan to the West KZ (I don’t know the real origin of this product). It was exactly like that before the vehicle. Now not in the know.
  • a jacket
    a jacket April 3 2013 23: 06 New
    +2
    [Quote = nod739] and 10 years have not passed when they sold gas to Ukraine two times cheaper than to Germany. and then vseravno with the Jews were to blame for all the Ukrainian troubles [/ q And how much more did they steal? And after all, they themselves admitted that they stole. I don’t remember something, that they wouldn’t have repaired the damage to Russia in full, but at least repented.
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS April 4 2013 10: 45 New
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    Quote: gecko
    How it all started, how did you brainwash something ...


    alas, but for him this is the norm.


    Quote: gecko
    You explain to me the essence of the police state?


    give him a week .... think ...