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The Americans did not have enough soldiers to capture the DPRK

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US generals held a staff war game on a hypothetical military invasion of the DPRK


Unlike the DPRK propagandists, who are confident that they will be able to defeat the US and South Korean troops and occupy Seoul in just 3 for three days, the US military is more cautious, predicting their own capabilities to invade North Korea.

According to The Defense News, officers at the US Army Academy in Carlisle (United States Army War College) conducted a war game in which they predicted the course of a hypothetical conflict with North Korea. According to the legend of the game, in a closed country called “Northern Brownland”, the “dictatorial regime” of the “criminal family” falls, and American troops must take control of its nuclear ammunition.

The results of the invasion simulation turned out to be disappointing for the US military: in order to gain a foothold in the territory of the country, two divisions (about 30, thousands of soldiers and officers) took 56 days. It turns out that at least 90 of thousands of soldiers are needed to capture the nuclear arsenal of the Northern Brownland. Almost as much was the US contingent in Afghanistan in 2002. And the operation to invade Iraq in 2003 took the United States and its allies 43 of the day.

The military did not disclose all the details of the game, including the possible number of losses, but told reporters about the main difficulties. Most Americans can be hampered by the complete lack of intelligence data: after overcoming the 38 parallel, along which the border between North and South Korea lies, the US troops will be forced to advance blindly.

Despite superiority in armaments, it will be very difficult to break through to nuclear facilities, since they are located in densely populated areas, and attempts to seize them with brute force will lead to unacceptably large civilian casualties.

As a result of the headquarters game, it turned out that the airborne assault force landed deep into enemy territory from the V-22 convertiplanes Osprey, as a rule, will not be able to gain a foothold in positions, and will have to surrender.

During the game, the military failed to quickly establish supply lines, including the use of roads and railways. One of the officers told The Defense News that the US Army was too spoiled by a base in Kuwait, from where all US military operations in the Middle East were planned in 1990 and 2000, and deploying a large contingent on the Korean Peninsula would be a nontrivial task.

In total, 28,5 has been quartered in Korea with thousands of US military personnel. According to the Pentagon, this is enough for the balance of power on the Korean Peninsula, but too little in case the US wants to invade North Korea and take control of its nuclear arsenals. For this purpose, the 50-thousandth US contingent at bases in Japan is not enough.

As The Defense News concludes, the war game made it clear that in the event of such intervention, the US Army "would not be able to achieve the necessary flexibility." One of the officers said that the current model of deployment of troops was to blame.

Currently, South Korea and the United States are not considering the possibility of a full-scale attack on North Korea, but 22 February agreed on a joint action plan in the event of a local border conflict, like sinking the South Korean corvette Cheonan in 2010 year or "provocation" in the demilitarized zone of border between the Koreas.

To achieve an increase in the contingent in South Korea and Japan, in the shortest possible time to launch an offensive against the DPRK positions, America will not be able to. This will also be hampered by public opinion in Japan and South Korea, where they are tired of drunken antics of the US military. China will also not allow a large number of US troops to be stationed at its borders.

However, it is possible that Washington will soon try to increase diplomatic pressure on both its allies and on the PRC, frightening them with possible chaos in North Korea and the theft of its atomic bombs by terrorists.
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  1. Trailer
    Trailer 28 March 2013 10: 48 New
    16
    To invade a country with nuclear weapons, the 5 largest army in the world, the most brutally debugged IDEA propaganda ... well, well. Invade, though 20 million civilians feed normally!
    1. Joker
      Joker 28 March 2013 11: 27 New
      +1
      Despite superiority in armaments, it will be very difficult to break through to nuclear facilities, since they are located in densely populated areas, and attempts to seize them with brute force will lead to unacceptably large civilian casualties.

      And when did it stop the USA? They will bomb, maybe even a preemptive nuclear strike will be delivered.
      1. tungus
        tungus 28 March 2013 12: 06 New
        10
        Quote: Joker
        maybe even a preemptive nuclear strike.

        How do you imagine this, taking into account Russia and China bordering on the DPRK? Or do you think that they will not notice and attach no importance to nuclear explosions at their borders?
    2. albert
      albert 28 March 2013 18: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Karavan
      Invade, at least 20 million civilians feed normally!

      Um, when did the Americans feed someone? Most likely, South Korea will have to feed the North.
    3. albert
      albert 28 March 2013 18: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Karavan
      Invade, at least 20 million civilians feed normally!

      Um, when did the Americans feed someone? Most likely, South Korea will have to feed the North.
    4. albert
      albert 28 March 2013 18: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Karavan
      Invade, at least 20 million civilians feed normally!

      Um, when did the Americans feed someone? Most likely, South Korea will have to feed the North.
  2. JonnyT
    JonnyT 28 March 2013 10: 49 New
    14
    What are they going to 90 thousands to seize Korea ???? Yes, it's funny !!!)))
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 28 March 2013 13: 29 New
      +3
      I want to add troops.

      The main units of the ground forces: army, corps, division and brigade. The army does not have a permanent composition and is deployed on the basis of army corps. The combat strength of the ground forces totals 20 enclosures (12 infantry, 4 mechanized, armored, 2 artillery, capital defense), 27 infantry divisions, 15 tank and 14 mechanized brigades, a tactical missile brigade, 21 artillery brigade, 9 multiple launch rocket systems, tactical missile regiment.

      The infantry division of the Korean People's Army includes 3 infantry regiments, an artillery regiment (3 battalions of 122 mm rocket launchers and 1 battalion of 152 mm mortars), a tank battalion of 31 tanks, an anti-tank battalion, an air defense battalion, an engineering battalion, a communications battalion and chemical defense battalion.

      The KPA has one tank corps (consisting of three tank divisions) and 15 tank brigades. Each division has two tank regiments (each of which has 4 heavy tank battalions, 1 light tank battalion, 1 motorized infantry battalion, 2 self-propelled gun battalions).

      The KPA has 4 mechanized corps (two mechanized divisions and one tank division in each) and 24 mechanized brigades. Each brigade has a tank battalion (31 tanks), a battalion of armored vehicles (46 vehicles), 4 infantry battalions, a battalion of 122 mm and 152 mm guns and a battalion of air defense (18 guns each), an anti-tank battalion (9 armored vehicles with anti-tank missiles and 12 anti-tank guns), a reconnaissance company (3 lightly armored vehicles, 7 armored vehicles and 8 motorcycles), a mortar battalion (6 mortars), an engineering company, a chemical protection company and a communications company.

      The KPA has 2 artillery corps and 30 artillery brigades armed with 122 mm self-propelled guns, 152 mm self-propelled mortars, 170 mm guns, 107-, 120- and 240-mm multi-barreled rocket mortars and other types of heavy guns. The 170-mm Koksan gun and the 240-mm multi-barrel rocket launcher are the most powerful guns in the world. Some of the heavy guns are mounted on railway platforms, and some are hidden in underground shelters.
      1. воронов
        воронов 28 March 2013 20: 06 New
        0
        Plus, numerous units of well-trained special forces and millions of Chinese army "volunteers" who will immediately be part of the KPA soldier
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 28 March 2013 10: 53 New
    +6
    "Despite the superiority in armaments, it will be very difficult to break through to nuclear facilities, since they are located in densely populated areas, and attempts to capture them with brute force will lead to unacceptably large losses among civilians."

    For the states, this is probably the most important deterrent. smile
    In fact, Korea is not even Iraq because of the natural and climatic conditions, the jungle and mountains are not a desert table.

    "frightening them with the likely chaos in North Korea and the terrorists stealing its atomic bombs."

    Well, that is, standard nonsense that everyone is already tired of.
  4. Roll
    Roll 28 March 2013 10: 54 New
    +5
    crying And the DPRK could well capture Seoul in 3 days. a pair of vigorous strikes against 38 parallels, instantly clearing it and the invasion of the Kndra divisions in half an hour. They will gain a foothold in Seoul and other cities in southern Korea, take hostages, and rob southerners. But amers knock Kndrovsk special forces from Seoul will cost big sacrifices. Moreover, Kim’s recklessness is now understandable, it was evident that this was not a headquarters game, but real plans for the invasion, and Kim answered completely lawlessly, very harshly. It looks like there will still be a war, and if Kim doesn’t go out of business and he will act very tough, Amers will have to not weak. And then Kim can always stop the conflict by threatening to destroy Japan.
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 28 March 2013 11: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: Rolm
      a pair of vigorous attacks on the 38 parallels, instantly clearing it and the invasion of the Kndra divisions in half an hour.
      Our poor education. Well yes. So I see that the elite units of the North Korean army immediately enter the areas irradiated with radiation, in 7 days. most of them are already blind, immobilized and dying of radiation sickness! Ingenious. South Koreans will probably die sooner with laughter.
      1. Kaetani
        Kaetani 28 March 2013 11: 29 New
        +3
        Unless the DPRK is ready to sacrifice two or three divisions.

        But in any case, the use of nuclear weapons is the end of the entire Korean Peninsula.
        1. krasin
          krasin 28 March 2013 13: 09 New
          -1
          Do not click dashing, otherwise you’ll call out. It will be terrible for everyone!
      2. opkozak
        opkozak 28 March 2013 14: 53 New
        +3
        So I see that the elite units of the North Korean army immediately enter the areas irradiated with radiation, after 7 days. most of them are already blind, immobilized and dying of radiation sickness!

        And I think they plan it that way. The KLA adopted the tactics of the PLA during the Vietnam-China War. (rushed under the Vietnamese tanks branches). No one will be reckoned with losses.
        The ideological component of the education of young fighters prevails over the military.
        Watch the official propaganda clip (yesterday’s video).

        Here is such a crowd, as at 49 seconds, and tumble through the cleared passage. No one will even think about life.
    2. DERWISH
      DERWISH 28 March 2013 13: 33 New
      0
      most likely it will be so and it will be the collapse of American lawlessness!
    3. воронов
      воронов 28 March 2013 20: 10 New
      0
      Eun in the ranks of the KPA, in the shortest possible time there will also be millions of Chinese army "volunteers." bully
  5. Hudo
    Hudo 28 March 2013 10: 54 New
    +2
    If gamerikeny claim. that something doesn’t work out for them is a sure sign that they really want to play muscle in the immediate vicinity of Russia and China.
    And this article painfully echoes some paragraphs of the article about Brzezinski’s fabrications.
  6. common man
    common man 28 March 2013 10: 59 New
    +6
    The saying touched: "it will not be able to gain a foothold in positions, and will be forced to give up." That is, they do not even consider the possibility of death. Old motto "Victory or death" in America transformed into a motto "Victory or captivity."
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 11: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: man in the street
      That is, they do not even consider the possibility of death

      When the enemy outnumbers, when there is no air support, they do not fight, immediately surrender. Other options are not even considered.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 28 March 2013 11: 59 New
        +1
        If that begins, then they will definitely not be taken prisoner, the sanctions will be recalled. Although maybe they will take as slaves but a little
  7. maksim
    maksim 28 March 2013 11: 00 New
    +3
    in the headquarters version of the game, the generals probably have not yet taken into account the partisan attitude of North Korea from which the American coalition will suffer more damage, and if it is taken into account, it only stops them
  8. elmi
    elmi 28 March 2013 11: 03 New
    +8
    They do not take into account the support of the DPRK in China, and there will be no shortage of volunteers
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 11: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: elmi
      support for the DPRK of China, and there will be no shortage of volunteers

      And at the same time very well armed.
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 28 March 2013 17: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        there will be no shortage of volunteers

        Why, there are enough of them. It was like the case when the DPRK special forces captured either a frigate or a corvette .. on boats and swim.
        The main thing with all the turmoil is to make a quick transport corridor from the DPRK to the USA by air, and there they will figure it out on foot with mattresses in a couple of months.
    2. Castor oil
      Castor oil 28 March 2013 12: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: elmi
      They do not take into account the support of the DPRK in China, and there will be no shortage of volunteers

      The Chinese are Chinese, but the amers missed something (or the author didn’t note), the DPRK’s reservist capabilities - it’s not the army of millions, and not even the personnel with five million reservists, but almost the entire combat-ready population of North Korea. Yes, America simply doesn’t have enough stupid bombs and shells, if only nuclear weapons ... (God forbid!)
  9. Voland
    Voland 28 March 2013 11: 17 New
    +4
    S-Americans seem to be sick once they want to donate 90.000. Sorry for American mothers.
  10. MacTavish
    MacTavish 28 March 2013 11: 22 New
    +4
    How funny it turns out: a country spending on defense the amount of which in some countries has never been found and with an army stuffed with all sorts of WONDERWAFLES they also have a chance to screw up. And now the question dear experts: to hell waffles and a bunch of green
    1. Castor oil
      Castor oil 28 March 2013 12: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: MacTavish
      How funny it turns out: a country spending on defense the amount of which in some countries has never been found and with an army stuffed with all sorts of WONDERWAFLES they also have a chance to screw up. And now the question dear experts: to hell waffles and a bunch of green

      I do not pretend to be an expert repeat but the most probable of the correct answers: - Babla drank what a stool and never dreamed of! laughing
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 29 March 2013 03: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Castor_ka
        drank Babla, which stool did not even dream of!

        This is incomprehensible only to pro-Western liberals. fool The whole of Amer’s defense industry is the development of budgetary funds + an advertising campaign like spacers with wings wassat
  11. Kaetani
    Kaetani 28 March 2013 11: 27 New
    0
    This leak indicates that the United States and not quite configured to fight.
    Or an attempt to urgently increase the military budget.
    In any case, Americans and satellites will have 90 000 or 190 000 contingents - against a nation with nuclear weapons and an ideology driven into a corner is complete nonsense.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 March 2013 11: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Kaetani
      This leak indicates that the United States and not quite configured to fight.
      Or an attempt to urgently increase the military budget

      On the contrary, they are inclined to fight. And this information leak may be deliberate and indicate a disinformation campaign. By monitoring the movement of their forces and assets, the joint teachings with South Korea and Japan will show their true intentions.
  12. Tartary
    Tartary 28 March 2013 11: 28 New
    +5
    In size it is almost like Yugoslavia, but in character and perseverance, like the floor of China ...
    Well, well ... Go ahead, American re-e-embs!
    Quickly complete your “paragraph” will come ...

    One thing scares, especially for our children, that the Far East can be caught in a cloud ...
  13. Jackyun
    Jackyun 28 March 2013 11: 37 New
    +5
    As a result of the headquarters game, it turned out that the airborne assault force landed deep into enemy territory from the V-22 convertiplanes Osprey, as a rule, will not be able to gain a foothold in positions, and will have to surrender.

    GIVE UP!!! Are they ready to give up before they start? Is it an army of world hegemon, positioned as the strongest army in the world?
    1. Castor oil
      Castor oil 28 March 2013 12: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Jackyun
      GIVE UP!!! Are they ready to give up before they start? Is it an army of world hegemon, positioned as the strongest army in the world?

      Anecdote in the topic:
      "" "... A Jewish pirate ship is sailing ...
      as befits a pirate ship, everything with him - the team’s fierce faces, grappling hooks, sharp sabers, loaded pistols, a swindling parrot, and of course the indispensable attribute on the flagpole is Roger - a skull with bones ... and below it, a little lower, a white flag - and just in case! ... "" "
  14. Clueless
    Clueless 28 March 2013 12: 24 New
    +1
    there’s nothing the Americans can do, because North Korea is prepared for a guerrilla war, there are probably more bomb shelters there than Russia and China combined

    except to roll the whole country to a pancake, together with the civilian population - and even this is beyond the reach of nuclear weapons
    1. Castor oil
      Castor oil 28 March 2013 12: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Bad
      there’s nothing the Americans can do, because North Korea is prepared for a guerrilla war, there are probably more bomb shelters there than Russia and China combined

      except to roll the whole country to a pancake, together with the civilian population - and even this is beyond the reach of nuclear weapons

      And how to "roll out" - the armed North Koreans will dissolve like cockroaches in South Korea - you get the hell out of them, if only to bomb everyone, without sorting winked
  15. Shooter
    Shooter 28 March 2013 12: 47 New
    0
    It seems to me that all this is misinformation. The game is a game, but in reality it will turn out quite differently, the losses among the American contingent will be enormous, even without the use of nuclear weapons by Korea. Plus help from friendly China and Russia.
  16. gorku68
    gorku68 28 March 2013 12: 59 New
    +1
    Games and threats. Even if no one is planning anything, except for PR, ratings, then like in a theater a gun hanging on a wall shivers. Not much will seem.
  17. Bosk
    Bosk 28 March 2013 13: 17 New
    +2
    Well, given the fact that in the mountains of Afghanistan they can’t do away with wild shepherds armed with light weapons, the war in the mountainous north Korea will cost her a lot of blood ... and a victory with more blood is a return of the Vietnam syndrome, which is very reluctant to them.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 March 2013 13: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Bosk
      mountains of Afghanistan


      A-FFFFF-GANISTAN. hi
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 28 March 2013 14: 27 New
        +1
        I apologize .... just the letter B was closer than F, but they understood the hint and we will work on it.
  18. DERWISH
    DERWISH 28 March 2013 13: 39 New
    0
    oh, how Korea is not profitable for Amer, it’s not Iraq and not Libya with its corrupt people! Koreans will be the first to give Amer’s balls with impunity smile
  19. fzr1000
    fzr1000 28 March 2013 16: 42 New
    +3
    Why do Koreans (northern) still do not like the United States?

    steadily revealing new details of the atrocities of the American soldier during the Korean War. Immediately after the outbreak of war in 1950, the first US cavalry division drove several hundred refugees from southern Korea under a bridge near the village of No Gong Ri. There were mostly women and children. The Americans "suspected" that partisan communists were hiding among the refugees. The "problem" was solved simply simple: they opened fire and destroyed everyone in a row. This was reported by the Associated Press after a detailed investigation and a survey of killer soldiers. US Secretary of Defense Cohen immediately hastened to declare that no documents about this genocide were preserved in the Pentagon.

    The bloody massacre took place in what is now South Korea.

    November 8, 1950 Siniyzhu.

    10:30

    About 40 American F-51 Mustang and F-80 Shooting Star fighters appear over the city. Fighters blocked a nearby airfield and began patrolling airspace over Siniyzhu.

    11:00

    With an interval of 3-5 minutes, groups of B-29 bombers begin to approach the city.

    The entire area of ​​the city is bombed, airplanes drop mainly napalm bombs and fuel tanks.

    The raid lasted 30 minutes, 86 B-29 aircraft participated.

    11:30

    The planes are starting to leave.

    The fire has already swept the whole city.

    In total, 10% of the civilian population of Siniyzhu city burned alive or died from suffocation.

    Almost all of the city’s civil, utility, and administrative buildings burned out or were damaged by fire. There were no military installations on the territory of Siniyzhu.


    1 May 1952 city

    The Americans fired 57 chemical shells on the positions of the Korean People’s Army.

    Symptoms of the lesion were similar both times: asphyxiation, lacrimation and swollen eyes, vomiting, loss of consciousness.

    Another touch to the portrait of an American soldier in the Korean mind.

    Some of the Korean fighters were captured. There they recognized the American military from a new perspective:

    June 10, 1952 Cojedo, camp number 76.

    Americans use skin-blasting substances against prisoners of war, which are a sticky poisonous liquid that burns the body.

    Americans spray POWs with this liquid three times a day.

    May 18, 1952 Cojedo, camp number 76.

    In three sectors, tear poisonous substances are used against prisoners of war. 24 prisoners of war died, 46 lost their sight.

    August 12, 1953 Cojedo, camp No. 17, sector No. 1.

    150 Americans and 200 South Korean soldiers bombarded prisoners of war with chemical grenades.

    Most of the poisoned have passed out.

    After the ceasefire was concluded, the Americans used chemical grenades 33 times against prisoners of war for 32 days (i.e. almost every day) against prisoners of war.
  20. fzr1000
    fzr1000 28 March 2013 16: 44 New
    +1
    And further....

    The Great Patriotic War did not leave any Soviet family unaffected (and we all know how it crashed into our memory), the war of the years 50-53 went through Korean families, perhaps more abruptly than our own, according to ours: to say at least that out of 30 The millions of people in Korea (North and South) killed 9 million during the war! Every third. Imagine how this war crashed into people's memory. And if you make a little clarification, then the portrait of the American military in the Korean consciousness will begin to gradually manifest itself. So, a clarification: 8 million of these dead are civilians.
  21. Arkan
    Arkan 28 March 2013 18: 36 New
    0
    America did not hide - it is not able to wage two major wars, and in accordance with this, a new US defensive (if you can call it that) doctrine was adopted in which the vector of their efforts is definitely defined - the Asia-Pacific region.
    I wonder - when will our Jewish friends arrange a second front in the Middle East for their ally? laughing
  22. Arkan
    Arkan 28 March 2013 18: 37 New
    0
    America did not hide - it is not able to wage two major wars, and in accordance with this, a new US defensive (if you can call it that) doctrine was adopted in which the vector of their efforts is definitely defined - the Asia-Pacific region.
    I wonder - when will our Israeli friends arrange a second front in the Middle East for their ally? laughing
  23. fero
    fero 28 March 2013 19: 43 New
    0
    Who knows how often do exercises in the DPRK take place with real firing, not with firing at the movie camera for 1-2 shells, but honestly? And as it happens, the army is huge, but there is no training. Then the number is of little use.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 28 March 2013 20: 09 New
      0
      Quote: fero
      Who knows how often do exercises in the DPRK take place with real firing, not with firing at the movie camera for 1-2 shells, but honestly? And as it happens, the army is huge, but there is no training. Then the number is of little use.

      North Korea is an extremely closed country, and any information in the media about it may not correspond to reality.
  24. воронов
    воронов 28 March 2013 20: 18 New
    0
    Let them take the risk and invade, the current Amer’s repose about Vietnam has forgotten, but the North Koreans, along with millions of Chinese army “volunteers”, will quickly remind them of it, and even our 1951-1953g. will remember
  25. Misantrop
    Misantrop 28 March 2013 22: 48 New
    +3
    Most of all, the last phrase in the article touched me:
    scaring them with the likely chaos in North Korea and the terrorists stealing its atomic bombs
    I would like to look at those frostbitten terrorists who climb into North Korea to steal its most important trump card ... wassat laughing
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 March 2013 23: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Misantrop
      Most of all, the last phrase in the article touched me:
      scaring them with the likely chaos in North Korea and the terrorists stealing its atomic bombs
      I would like to look at those frostbitten terrorists who climb into North Korea to steal its most important trump card ... wassat laughing


      It doesn’t matter, soon the Hollywood film studio them. P.J. Goebbels will remove the "believable", "based on real events" action movie with a touch of popcorn. Where Koreans will play black actors. crying
  26. sibircat
    sibircat 29 March 2013 03: 41 New
    0
    For some reason, no one noticed that the provocations of America against the DPRK, namely America, they started the exercises, somehow by chance immediately followed the meeting of the leaders of Russia and China. It is these powers that least of all need a nuclear conflict at their borders.
  27. sibircat
    sibircat 29 March 2013 03: 41 New
    0
    For some reason, no one noticed that the provocations of America against the DPRK, namely America, they started the exercises, somehow by chance immediately followed the meeting of the leaders of Russia and China. It is these powers that least of all need a nuclear conflict at their borders.