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Bred like kittens. Why is Russia in 10 times harder



Frontal attack repulsed!

On February 9, 2013 in Moscow in the Hall of Columns of the House of Unions opened its first stories countries extraordinary congress of parents. One of the main topics was juvenile justice. I think it’s not necessary to stop and explain what this western phenomenon is, which is supposed to protect children from aggressive parents. The organizers and participants of this congress gathered hundreds of thousands of living signatures across the country against the destruction of the traditional institution of the family through the juvenile system. And, thank God, the result was not long in coming, the authorities reacted in the person of President Vladimir Putin himself. Some laws were suspended, some began to make amendments, taking into account the specifics of Russian society, its culture and traditions. However, celebrating the victory turned out to be premature ...

In the West, with its mentality and way of life, absurd and immoral norms of law can be introduced without broad maneuvers, chess moves and cover-ups in society. Of course, this was not always the case, at least until the 90s. Today, there will be any law, and even without looking at the majority, the benefit of the corrupted minority in Europe is no longer marginal in the face of 1-3%, but all 15-20%. In Russia, it’s harder, you need to somehow urgently reduce the 20-year lag in the moral and spiritual licentiousness of the people. Ordinary straightforward and stereotyped laws and methods are not suitable, because the Russian people were simply not ripe, and even some popular resistance appeared and not one thing: “Trade Union of Russian Citizens”, “The Essence of Time”, “Internet Militia”. In general, the liberals have a hard time. Therefore, we need more drama, more emotion and, of course, sound logic. Is child abuse bad? - Poorly! Juvenile justice in the form that we know is bad? - Of course! But it is logical that some steps must be taken to protect the rights of children who have suffered, for example, from pedophiles !!! ??? In principle, yes ... sure yes !!

We went from the flank

I draw your attention to the fact that we are not talking about the prevention of crimes of this kind, but we are talking about measures after the committed heinous actions against children. The child suffered. This is a tragedy. Suffered a young person. Without irony, banter and seriously writing "personality", I agree. Need measures to protect the individual after psychological trauma? - Needed. What - you ask? Courses of children's rehabilitation, psychologists ?! - No, not only. And why is this guaranteed by law? - We need silence !!! We read carefully, seemingly good intentions:

The State Duma passed in the second and immediately in the third readings a bill on fines up to 1 million rubles for disclosing information about children who suffered from violence. For violation of this requirement administrative liability is introduced in the form of a fine for citizens in the amount of 3 thousand to 5 thousand rubles, for officials - from 30 thousand to 50 thousand rubles, for legal entities - from 400 thousand to 1 million rubles with confiscation of media.

«Neither the name, nor the place of residence, nor even the photos and videos of the child can become public domain- convinced the deputy. “This does not mean that you cannot discuss the problems related to crimes against children, no.” “Discuss and condemn can and should be. But without showing the affected children themselves, without disclosing personal information about them, ”said MP Kabaeva. “This is not a political law, but a moral one,” she concluded.


Source: http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/3/22/625612.html

As our former three-time mayor of the resort town of Berdyansk, with a road of land off the coast of V. Baranov, says: “And the mosquito will not lose a nose!” Humanism? -Humanism! Rights reserved? - Protected! Is there something depraved and anti-human? - Not! And I do not see, but it is!

First question. Society can empathize with an abstract sacrifice ?! - The question is rhetorical, and most importantly it generates discussion and boltalogiya, emotions and sound logic. And this is already a victory, since there is no clear, definitive, affirmative "yes" or "no." Even on this patriotic site you will break spears now, because there is no negative in the Law? Is it bad or good to use the banner of a child in the fight against pedophilia or simply to stimulate the Ministry of Internal Affairs to solve a high profile case? As for the banner, the recent example is "The Law of Dima Yakovlev" ?!

Second question. Will a criminal case now become deaf without public attention? This, by the way, is a question more for liberals ... who like to be in the focus of public attention around human tragedies.

Liberals triumph?

We have to admit that only the anger and outrage of society were often a guarantee of the inevitability of punishment for the crime committed .. Of course, as a former liberal, I foresee the answer of the liberal to me: " it is necessary to develop independent justice, a system of checks and balances, a real police reform, so as not to run every time to the TV channel, seeking public outrage to get things moving off the ground! We leave on the Maidan! The power has taken from us the last instrument of control - to be heard! Well done, Nevsky, even though you are a scoop, but you gave us a reason ... And we will support the Law, as part of the juvenile, we are liberals, and we will be indignant that this European norm will work poorly, since the other spheres are not European. "

Question: Who drove someone into a trap?

This is how they did it technically, I did not find a better video for this short note, it is perfect:



Thus two hares are killed. European norms and interpretations of the protection of children's personality, one way or another, enter our lives. Then, they will open new chapters in children's law. And the gap that was formed as a result of the elimination of the national instrument “Nastya the Killer was released, guard!” Fills in the future a mixture of Anglo-Saxon law, they say, everything should work like a Swiss watch: the judiciary, the police, the prosecutor’s office in the Western style. Good? After all, there will be no need then to bang your head against the wall in the media, that a crime has occurred, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs pulls it down and slows down! It will be respect for the Law as in the West, then the Dictatorship of the Law as in the West. Hello, Mr. Policeman! Does this Anglo-Saxon cross protect children, our culture and space? Returning sadly, again to this topic: Dictatorship - it is always badWhere the liberal dictatorship protects only the ever-changing trend, and in no way conservative and basic human values.

We are again being pushed to the liberal door ...
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 27 March 2013 08: 17 New
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    "The State Duma adopted in the second and immediately in the third readings a bill on fines of up to 1 million rubles for disclosing information about children affected by violence."
    "Can society empathize with the abstract victim ?!"

    Here I do not agree with the author. I would not be so categorical. Empathy with an abstract victim is, of course, more difficult than with photographs or videos of a tormented child. But the author will empathize, I will empathize, and the other, especially characteristic of the children themselves, will taunt and poke a finger. Parents with a child can at least go somewhere to forget the nightmare and start all over again. And if the photo of the child will be everywhere? And neither hide nor hide? And so a serious injury, and they don’t forget to forget it for a lifetime: “and this is the one that fagot ...” We sympathize, get upset, and these people live and do not need to rinse this muck their whole life.
    1. Nevsky
      27 March 2013 08: 30 New
      +5
      Vladimirets The latter measure is clearly aimed at bloggers, who often conduct their own journalistic investigations, looking for facts hidden by the official media.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 27 March 2013 08: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Nevsky
        The last measure is clearly aimed at bloggers.

        A measure to ban the coverage of a child’s personal data? Well, right.
        1. Nevsky
          27 March 2013 08: 54 New
          -1
          Vladimirets One name can somehow harm the individual?
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 27 March 2013 09: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Nevsky
            Vladimir One name can somehow harm an individual?

            Quote: Vladimirets
            What will give you a name for empathy? Sergey or Maxim, maybe Alena or Sveta, what will it give you? If the real Sergey in the news is replaced by Ivan, you will not be outraged by the fact? What is the problem then?
            1. Nevsky
              27 March 2013 10: 00 New
              +8
              Vladimirets Once again, especially for you !!!

              The guys from the movement "The essence of time" and others, all winter stood on pickets. Everyday. Collected signatures against these laws. Altogether they collected 260 thousand, handed them over to the State Duma and the president. They held rallies, worked with the public, sought to get the topic started to be discussed in the media, they deliberately kept silent about it, they wanted to quietly push the juvenile. On February 9, the All-Russian Parental Resistance was created (a constituent congress was held in the House of Unions) - a public organization that will fight against family destruction and education. In all regions, departments have been created to protect families from juvenile arbitrariness. Laws have not yet been adopted, and children are already seized. The main reason is poverty. Instead of help, they simply select the children. Five children were taken from a mother of many children, because the stove did not work in the house. They said it was dangerous for children in this house. And taken to the orphanage. If not for the public, children would already be given to some family for adoption. This is a matter of time when personal data in this area and plane, for example due to domestic violence, will also not be disclosed. Pedophiles struck the first breach. After all, they are scary, and one cannot disagree with this, alas ... therefore, tomorrow you will be twisted out of your hands to cover the problem of removing children from the family, where in the refrigerator margarine contains oil because they personified the problem. Do you think the argument is far-fetched? Save this post, and God grant that you are right, not me.
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 27 March 2013 10: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: Nevsky
                Vladimir again, especially for you !!!

                As the unforgettable B ... says, let's separate the flies from cutlets. You have piled everything together, the struggle for the rights of the child, juvenile justice, victims of pedophiles, etc. Is it one thing to remove children from their parents, another is to rinse children affected by various anxious creatures, is there a difference?
                1. Nevsky
                  27 March 2013 10: 56 New
                  +2
                  Vladimirets water sharpens a stone. But in general, aside the questions of the protection of culture and morality, where are the laws and regulations? Therefore, this law, I can’t even call the law "in fact" and not even faster than the fact.
                2. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
                  Mihaylo Tishayshiy 27 March 2013 12: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  As the unforgettable B ... says, let's separate the flies from cutlets. You have piled everything together, the struggle for the rights of the child, juvenile justice, victims of pedophiles, etc. Is it one thing to remove children from their parents, another is to rinse children affected by various anxious creatures, is there a difference?

                  In Western Europe, once, as you suggest, flies were separated from cutlets. And, demanding that the World Health Organization exclude homosexuality from the list of diseases and officially recognize the civil rights of sexual minorities, there was absolutely no talk about the legislative right to marry, and even less about the right to adopt children.
                  Well, "what, dear? What is the result? A bit frowned? Only this" a bit "will pull ..." (L. Filatov "The Tale of Fedot - Sagittarius ...")
                  So, Nevsky is right, and, having decided to bring such a cunning beast as juvenile justice to the house, do not be surprised that soon you will not be the master in it.
      2. 123dv
        123dv 27 March 2013 08: 50 New
        -6
        I think here they just throw a brick specifically at the deputy Kabaeva.
        The calculation is correct, the brick must hit the target clearly. And they glued such a compassionate photo.
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 27 March 2013 09: 21 New
          -4
          It seems like if you think about it.
        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 27 March 2013 09: 35 New
          +7
          "throw a brick specifically at the deputy Kabaeva." A deputy is the person who is thinking to work for the benefit of citizens of the Russian Federation. Accordingly, there are no deputies in our Duma. There is a set of clowns who bought a mandate and are thinking about how to grab money.
          http://demotivation.me/lqiuyk96k08apic.html#.UVKUMzfvtSM
          1. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt 27 March 2013 11: 51 New
            +3
            I say if you think about it. And if you don’t think about it, then yes, all the deputies are clowns and the authorities are rotten and blah blah blah.
            Well, for what we have advantages there you can earn. You don’t argue with me, you just saw the word “deputy” and inserted a link.
            You want, and I'll put it to you. KEEP YOUR SPIRIT FRIEND!
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt 27 March 2013 11: 57 New
              +1
              For me, you are just an ordinary populist troll who says how not to do it. And if you fall into power, you will not be different from those in whom you spit. It's my opinion.
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 27 March 2013 18: 07 New
                -3
                "For me, you are just an ordinary troll populist" - I do not agree with you, the troll is the main emotional reaction of readers - the main thing for me is that they think about the country in which they live and their role in what is happening.
                Honestly, looking with what stubbornness people defend their invented (and flooded with tv) world of stability and the “rising from their knees” country, it is tempting to go into politics, buy a mandate and cut money at the expense of an obedient and trusting population. But this is not mine, not so brought up no
          2. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt 27 March 2013 11: 56 New
            0
            For me, you are just an ordinary populist troll who says how not to do it. And if you fall into power, you will not be different from those in whom you spit. It's my opinion.
          3. evgenm55
            evgenm55 27 March 2013 12: 57 New
            +2
            That’s for sure. They are for all “legislators” .... they need to show the old Soviet film “Baltic Deputy” every day, although it is unlikely that even after that any of them will give a mandate, they are also “GODs”, which are slaves and plebeians ... Therefore, pedophiles, and just feel their impunity.
          4. itkul
            itkul 27 March 2013 14: 01 New
            0
            Quote: S_mirnov
            There is a set of clowns who bought a mandate and are thinking about how to grab money.


            C'mon, they bake about the people, photos from the store
          5. itkul
            itkul 27 March 2013 14: 04 New
            0
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Accordingly, in our Duma there are no deputies


            C'mon, they bake about the people. Photo from the store
    2. andrejwz
      andrejwz 27 March 2013 09: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      I do not agree with the author here

      Yes, I do not agree anywhere. And read through the word, the idea is understandable and beaten ideas. You say a workaround? These similar opuses are the same workaround. Is it difficult for an author (to read society) to experience an abstract victim?
      He wants to discuss the details of each particular tragedy to the smallest detail? And add psychological help: Instead:: “It's over, forget it. Everything will be fine. You will no longer be offended.” To bury the child face in the pillow and: "Does it bother you? Do you want to talk more about this?" Rehabilitation, damn it!
      Instead of real help, the Western version when with this help they rush about like a beggar with a sack and revel in their own significance and morality.
      1. Nevsky
        27 March 2013 10: 16 New
        +2
        andrejwz and for you I repeat:

        This is a matter of time when personal data in this area and plane, for example due to domestic violence, will also not be disclosed. Pedophiles struck the first breach. They are scary, and one cannot disagree with this, alas ... therefore, tomorrow you will be twisted your hands on the problem of removing children from the family, where there is margarine in the refrigerator, together with butter, because they personified the problem. Do you think the argument is far-fetched? Save this post, and God grant that you are right, not me.

        Personality is above everything, isn't it? like individualism? (ironic)
        1. andrejwz
          andrejwz 27 March 2013 12: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Nevsky
          Personality is above everything, isn't it? like individualism? (ironic)

          Here I’d better quote (from memory) Oleg Vereshchagin: "And who told you that a teenager is a person? He is an emerging person! What we put, then we will take it."
          And if you want to say that in society, in order to punish a pedophile, you need to break, poisoning, the psyche of his victim, in every possible way, by all kagal, getting into the process, then I will never agree with you. Duplication and exaggeration of the name of a specific victim and turning the psyche inside out is an additional blow.
          And we all need additional incentives to understand that pedophilia needs to be burned with a hot iron.
          The questions posed in the article are called upon to perform precisely a workaround. Ah not ready for juvenile justice? Then let's talk about strengthening public influence on specific cases. We will collect a selection of "identified" shortcomings in the work of law enforcement agencies (where the real ones are where the imaginary ones are), we will prepare the public opinion and again state that juvenile justice is needed. And boh with him, that the conversation touched only on the topic of pedophilia, you look and become impatient that juvenile justice will capture everything in the sphere of its activity, I will repeat EVERYTHING! relationship in EVERYONE! family, and at its discretion (in the interests of the existence of the service) will evaluate these relations based on their own interests (not personally known to me).
          And, worse, make decisions.
  2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 March 2013 08: 19 New
    14
    At least a strange article. Let’s imagine that a certain boy, Fedya Ivanov, about ten years old, suffered from a pedophile.
    This is scary for the child. Generally speaking, not every adult is able to recover from rape. And here - still a little child ...
    And the author offers to finish, so as not to suffer. Let’s say keeek by all the media throughout the country - here he is, Fedya Ivanov, and a close-up photo, and a video sequence, just then the pedophile was abused by him ...
    I have a question. How then will this guy go to school? Children - they are such children ... They’ll make fun of him, they will show with a finger ... the stigma. And - do nothing. Transfer to another school? So after all throughout Russia glorified ...
    In general - minus. Big.
    1. Nevsky
      27 March 2013 08: 33 New
      +5
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk

      I have a question. How then will this guy go to school? Children - they are such children ... They’ll make fun of him, they will show with a finger ... the stigma. And - do nothing. Transfer to another school? So after all throughout Russia glorified ...
      In general - minus. Big.


      Correctly. More tolerance and rights. belay The name of the child is not required. Other measures can be taken and followed when covering this issue. And even a name is impossible. Are there many Sergeyevs in Moscow?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 27 March 2013 08: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Nevsky
        And even a name is impossible. Are there many Sergeyevs in Moscow?

        What will give you a name for empathy? Sergey or Maxim, maybe Alena or Sveta, what will it give you? If the real Sergey in the news is replaced by Ivan, you will not be outraged by the fact? What is the problem then?
        1. Nevsky
          27 March 2013 09: 09 New
          0
          Vladimirets and who will give you the right to falsify and stipulate a name? + drawing without a portrait is dark with a question mark?

          People will remain united with their problems without the right to appeal to the public. He does not have to hope for an existing system. And here Belolentochnek went out with a banner, “Down with the corruption in the police,” which is an easy way for both parents and sympathizers in their helplessness.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 27 March 2013 09: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Nevsky
            Vladimir and who will give you the right to falsify and stipulate a name? + drawing without a portrait is dark with a question mark?

            People will remain united with their problems without the right to appeal to the public. He does not have to hope for an existing system. And here Belolentochnek went out with a banner, “Down with the corruption in the police,” which is an easy way for both parents and sympathizers in their helplessness.

            Sorry, I can’t even catch what you wanted to say.
            1. Nevsky
              27 March 2013 09: 36 New
              0
              Vladimirets read my comment on Alexander Romanov, the essence is the same, the answer is more widely disclosed. I do not want a tautology.
          2. bord731
            bord731 27 March 2013 15: 13 New
            0
            Quote: Nevsky
            on a par with his problems without the right to appeal to the public

            It is necessary that the law against pedophiles really works, then you don’t have to appeal to the public ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 March 2013 08: 35 New
      +9
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      I have a question. How then will this guy go to school? Children - they are such children.

      Yes, he won’t go to school, they’ll just bite him there and that’s all. Child cruelty often knows no bounds. It’s easy for some to pay money, to lay out sensational material and receive a fee, what and how will be with the child later in his life they are not interested in.
      1. Nevsky
        27 March 2013 08: 46 New
        -2
        Yes, he won’t go to school, they’ll just bite him there and that’s all. Child cruelty often knows no bounds. It’s easy for some to pay money, to lay out sensational material and receive a fee, what and how will be with the child later in his life they are not interested in.


        Again guided by emotions. Or maybe it is necessary to start with the adoption of preventive laws on the prevention of such violence and crimes? Then move on to post-traumatic? For example, to guarantee the obligatory help of psychologists? And only then the balanced Law on the principle of media coverage, - "One name and gender"? And not a completely shut up mouth?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 March 2013 09: 14 New
          +6
          Quote: Nevsky

          Again guided by emotions.

          what emotions are there, I say as it is, look around or take a look at the videos on the Internet that our children shoot.
          Quote: Nevsky
          Or maybe it is necessary to start with the adoption of preventive laws on the prevention of such violence and crimes?

          In Khabarovsk last year (I can be mistaken for a year), the deputy prosecutor raped two schoolgirls at home. Parents wrote a statement, so the other prosecutor did not see the corpus delicti and said this while looking at the camera. Only when the interference and resentment of the population had gone, the prosecutor's office began to see .
          Yesterday, a man posted a video about Deputy Prosecutor of Saratov, who defended the rights of fagots in court in order to declare illegal the ban on the promotion of homosexuality. So there is a video with this prosecutor with a gay sex scene !!! the prosecutor’s office is silent again. You need to change a lot and first of all change the brains of some.
          1. Nevsky
            27 March 2013 09: 34 New
            +2

            Alexander Romanov
            stop you have a clear contradiction!

            In Khabarovsk last year (I can be mistaken for a year), the deputy prosecutor raped two schoolgirls at home. Parents wrote a statement, so the other prosecutor did not see the corpus delicti and said this while looking at the camera.Only when the intervention and indignation of the population began, did the prosecutor's office.


            You contradict yourself! Population intervention! And how will the initiative of self-organization from parents take place, seeing such chaos? Alexander, what do you think by parents can identify the identity of the affected child? Sit at home with your tragedies and don’t complain about the prosecutor’s office !!! Of course, you are offered a way out, here it is:

            And the gap that arose as a result of the liquidation of the popular instrument “Nastya’s murderer was set free, guard!” Fills in the future a cross between Anglo-Saxon law, saying that everything should work like a Swiss watch: the judiciary, the police, and the prosecutor’s office according to the Western model. Good? After all, there is no need then to bang your head against the wall in the media that a crime has occurred, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs lowers and slows down! It will be respect for the Law, as in the West, then “The dictatorship of the Law, as in the West.” Hello, Mr. Police! And this Anglo-Saxon cross will protect children, our culture and space? We return sadly, again to this topic: Is dictatorship always bad ?, where a liberal dictatorship protects only a constantly changing trend, and in no way conservative and basic human values.

            Sanya, did you watch the video about the magician?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 March 2013 10: 34 New
              -1
              Quote: Nevsky

              You contradict yourself! Population intervention! And how will the initiative of self-organization from parents take place,

              And what are the names of children must be called and show them all over the country?
              Quote: Nevsky
              Sit at home with your tragedies and don’t complain about the prosecutor’s office!

              This is not my tragedy, and you, as I understand it, cheer for fagots and rapists prosecutors. Maybe you should resign, or rather, to London.
              Quote: Nevsky
              Sanya, did you watch the video about the magician?

              Yes
              1. Nevsky
                27 March 2013 10: 52 New
                +1
                And what are the names of children must be called and show them all over the country?
                No need of course. But while we have problems with bringing to justice, we need points for self-organization and attracting attention.


                This is not my tragedy, and you, as I understand it, cheer for fagots and rapists prosecutors. Maybe you should resign, or rather, to London.


                Why insult and label? I did not expect from you. Let it be on your conscience. If in fact, then the lack of public focus on inaction after the tragedy has ended up is hidden support for the pedaphilic lobby! Like do not be afraid, we will ignore the matter, and the public will be tied hand and foot.
                1. DeerIvanovich
                  DeerIvanovich 27 March 2013 11: 28 New
                  +4
                  don’t worry, we have a lover of personalities, especially when he’s right, although he really isn’t.

                  although yes, illumination is immoral, but the prohibition really raises the idea that you are trying to convey, although poorly conveyed, in the wrong language ... people do not understand you. I hope all the same, the authorities will not go on about the liberals and your forecasts will turn out to be erroneous.
                  1. Nevsky
                    27 March 2013 11: 37 New
                    +1
                    DeerIvanovich I agree with you, poorly informed, poorly prepared :(
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 27 March 2013 13: 06 New
                    +3
                    Quote: DeerIvanovich
                    don’t worry, we have a love for personalities,

                    You do not worry too. We already figured out everything in PM! so you can continue to do what you love wink
                    1. DeerIvanovich
                      DeerIvanovich 27 March 2013 14: 06 New
                      0

                      I wonder when I talked to you about the lamp of knowledge in PM
                      I remember talking with Nevsky on his initiative: he sensibly reacted to criticism made by me on one of his comments, but he didn’t communicate with you in PM.
                      please, but do not ascribe to me the laurels of your "admirer".
        2. ovgorskiy
          ovgorskiy 27 March 2013 11: 32 New
          +2
          You, comrade Nevsky, as the last journalist are ready to make yourself a PR on the tragedy of children, sip on the Internet with a riveting of topics that are forbidden for normal people on moral grounds. You will bring nothing but damage to the injured child and his family with your discussions in the press. You, in your desire to defraud power, go beyond all reasonable limits. Please do not confuse the word freedom and permissiveness.
          1. Nevsky
            27 March 2013 11: 42 New
            -2
            ovgorskiy

            Please do not confuse the word freedom and permissiveness.


            Of course, as a former liberal, I know this well: "my freedom ends where the freedom of another person begins!"

            Let's also agree with these guys in the plot, to whom they interfere, is this their freedom and right?

    3. Elliot
      Elliot 27 March 2013 10: 36 New
      +5
      I agree, the stigma will then be lifelong that there children and some adults will whisper and even relish. So this child may even forget, but what if everyone reminds him?
      1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Mihaylo Tishayshiy 27 March 2013 14: 10 New
        +1
        Julia, on the one hand, this is certainly true, but ... Now in the media, the faces of children in photos and videos are “digitized”, and whoever does not know them personally will not recognize them. But the article is about the fact that if, for some reason, local law enforcement officers decide to "let the brakes down", then parents and those who want to help them make noise in the media and the Internet will be violators of this law, because “having designated” (full name), parents will not be able to “make a fuss”, and having designated themselves, they will automatically designate their child. And as for
        Quote: Elliot
        children and some adults will whisper and even savor.

        So those who know the parents and the child personally will behave in accordance with their upbringing. And the best way out of the situation is to change the school and place of residence. But this, like the work of psychologists, requires considerable material costs. And our state, represented by the "poor" deputies, having failed to prevent the crime, instead of helping the victims, resolves the question simply: "keep silence for everyone !!!"
  3. fellow misha
    fellow misha 27 March 2013 08: 19 New
    +6
    Reading about such abominations, I begin to yearn for the Iron Curtain. Recently, it seems that some regional branch of the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda seems to have seen a photo shoot on the site as if it were demonstrating children's clothing, it nearly vomited from this abomination, and most importantly, there were quite a few people in the comments who considered that there was nothing reprehensible there.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 27 March 2013 10: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: comrade misha
      starting to yearn for the Iron Curtain

      well, it’s not in vain that in the USSR they mostly broadcast only positive news, and they hid the bad ones! and now people are using the media and the Internet to distribute the slops themselves, they will read it and post and copy-paste everywhere, on any forums and websites. So???
      that's why, if I read something bad or see something bad - I will not tell you about it..and here is the good, positive news, I will tell you with pleasure. yes
      even Zhirinovsky last year said - stop delivering and telling only the negative to the people that there is no other news, right after all, he said correctly, I understood this before him.
      1. fellow misha
        fellow misha 27 March 2013 12: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: djon3volta
        well, it’s not in vain that in the USSR basically only positive news was broadcast

        Your banter is understandable, why not understand. Look at a free geyropa, think about why there were 300 thousand people in free France who came out to protest against “SODOMIA” (300 thousand, according to unofficial statistics, it’s more than 1 million) and this is only one of many indicators “there’s something not this way". Looking at all this with the will, not the will, the thought comes to mind: “this is some kind of plan”, and you begin to believe in “world behind the scenes”. The question is, or who can stop the process of approaching "sodomy" to the threshold of my house? And he is already knocking at all, even your banter confirms this idea.

        If you want, I can throw a proof on that photo shoot, having looked, you can share your feelings from what you saw and what you read in kamenty. Personally, it caused a persistent gag reflex for me.
  4. fenix57
    fenix57 27 March 2013 08: 23 New
    +3
    " ... we need to develop independent justice, a system of checks and balances, a real police reform, so as not to run every time on the TV channel, seeking public outrage, to get things moving! We leave on the Maidan! ... "- well, why are there such" victims ", THE COURT OF LINCH is much cheaper and more effective. hi
  5. omsbon
    omsbon 27 March 2013 08: 34 New
    12
    The repulse of any liberal crap, any liberal innovation from the West is a sacred duty of the Russian people!
  6. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 27 March 2013 08: 35 New
    21
    I have always said and still say HUMAN RIGHTS (CHILDREN) after the Western model THIS IS A SCREEN AND A CHEAT of people.
    In the first place should be FAMILY., PARENTS. Native House.
    Deprive a person of all this and he will turn into an EMPTY PLACE.
    So gentlemen, juvenile justice divides children from parenting and family traditions.
    If the law of which the State Duma adopted will be contrary to my beliefs in this area, I will not comply with it and will resist it in every way.
    1. smel
      smel 27 March 2013 09: 02 New
      +8
      I completely agree. A child, a person can grow up and be brought up only in a family. She is good or bad, but mother and father cannot be replaced. It is impossible to replace the influence of a brother and sister. Only if there is no family is parenting in an orphanage (temporary) permissible, and then adoptive parents, who don’t take an orphan at the call of their soul, at the call of their souls. But a monkey imitation of Western values ​​and laws will not lead us to anything good. They will breed an army of officials who will pretend to be concerned about this problem.
      1. Uncle Serozha
        Uncle Serozha 27 March 2013 09: 22 New
        +6
        Quote: smel
        I have always said and still say HUMAN RIGHTS (CHILDREN) after the Western model THIS IS A SCREEN AND A CHEAT of people.
        In the first place should be FAMILY., PARENTS. Native House

        I agree. In order to make a person completely submissive, one can instill false goals, false ideals and not teach him to critically analyze information. Modern media are quite able to cope with this task. There was only one trouble - the family. It is NOT managed from those centers that set the task of the media. Dad and mom can quite inspire the child with "seditious" (in terms of zombies) critical ideas.
        At the first stage, we protect children from domestic violence. And on the second - we introduce the concept of "spiritual violence" - that is, when mom and dad inspire the child with ideas that are "harmful" from the point of view of the herders of the herd. And on this basis, the child is taken away from them.
        Juvenile justice - in the furnace, Yes, there is a percentage of children who suffer in families. Such cases must be thoroughly investigated. But if juvenile justice is introduced, then ALL children will soon suffer. And all the parents.
    2. consul
      consul 27 March 2013 09: 35 New
      +9
      I agree, but until we begin to worry and protect not only our own, but also the children of our compatriots, nothing will come of it, "they will kill one by one."
      For me, juvenile justice = ss, Gestapo, Hitlerism (in the sense of politics towards subjugated peoples).
  7. Egoza
    Egoza 27 March 2013 08: 52 New
    16
    Compliance with the laws of the Criminal Code - and no juvenile justice is needed!
    Conscientious work of social bodies, guardianship councils, control of dysfunctional families! A juvenile - only to produce additional officials, but bow to the West. And you just need to say - we have our own laws and yours do not suit us!
    1. Uncle Serozha
      Uncle Serozha 27 March 2013 09: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      Compliance with the laws of the Criminal Code - and no juvenile justice is needed!
      Conscientious work of social bodies, guardianship councils, control of dysfunctional families!

      Here it is - in gold letters in the red corner. good
    2. Nevsky
      27 March 2013 09: 47 New
      +3
      Egoza

      Compliance with the laws of the Criminal Code - and no juvenile justice is needed!
      Conscientious work of social bodies, guardianship councils, control of dysfunctional families!


      There are 2 ways to fulfill this condition. One of them, we are clearly shown, hinting at a liberal door, every day in the media I repeat like a mantra, they say in the West that the law and the inevitability of punishment are so complete that if an official pays with an official card for diapers in a store, he will be fired, or for scientific plagiarism publication. Is it tempting? Yes! And about another option - complete silence ... request
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 27 March 2013 11: 10 New
        +5
        In the media, ban broadcasts, about killings and violence up to 23 hours. In schools, introduce mandatory drug testing
      2. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 27 March 2013 11: 23 New
        +3
        The fact of the matter is that their law covers perverts, and where (so far) can not cover high-ranking perverts help each other personally.
        And what seems to us as if the main immoral problem of Europe is homosexuality, this is no longer relevant, in fact, there is a secretive legalization of pedophilia. All these same-sex homosexual families (according to simple statistics) turn out to be a convenient way to rape children with impunity.
        National Lesbian Study Published in Consultative and Clinical Psychology (USA)
        Thirty-seven percent were physically ill-treated, and 32% were raped or survived a sexual assault. Nineteen percent were involved in incestuous relationships in childhood.

        http://www.overcoming-x.ru/site/neways1
        Watch a video about morals, for example, Norwegians.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=utVLescQI8s
        The fact that they have, in the order of things, marriages between close relatives, is not particularly advertised - "what can you do with culture like that!", And the fact that they have an intimate relationship with children in the public "consciousness" is a completely normal thing, it’s not generally accepted to cover it - this is "Cultural Europe, why talk about the unpleasant!"
        Sorry, but in w..pu such a Europe!
        And although not all of them have such degenerates, there are simply wonderful responsible people, and at the very top, for example, like the Belgian parliamentarian Laurent Louis
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%B8
        Laurent Louis is the most famous and active Belgian fighter with pedophilia ...
        Louis also published various documents testifying to the pedophilia of various public and political figures of Belgium, among other mayors of Brussels ...

        But!
        Some public organizations accused Laurent Louis of slander, incitement to hatred, involvement in ultra-right circles and others, complaints are being filed against Louis in Parliament
        Based on these complaints, a parliamentary committee decides to investigate Laurent Louis, in which several searches of the police take place at Louis’s house and in his party’s offices. Louis himself is forced to undergo a psychiatric examination. On June 7, 2012, Louis was officially charged with defamation, which has not yet been confirmed or refuted in view of the investigation.
        In general, Laurent Louis appears negatively in large Belgian media.

        That is, if you reveal the dark deeds of influential politicians, then you are just crazy!
        Last but not least, but watch the video where this same Louis “cleanses” his parliament for helping bandits in Syria
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y2XPSLBlAN4
        1. Nevsky
          27 March 2013 11: 31 New
          +4
          11Goor11 Finally, at least someone understood my idea !!! I repent that I have poorly prepared the article in a hurry ... And then I was already registered in the pedaphile lobby, it's just ..... c !!! Uh ..., now you can work fine without being distracted by comments. hi
        2. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 27 March 2013 13: 48 New
          +1
          I looked at the link, it turns out that not everyone in Europe propaganda brain dirtied)
          ATP.

          However, there was a pass in the subtitles when he said something about Israel))) And he noticed how the camera works, it 50/50 shows some kind of fuss behind the deputy in order to distract the viewer and not allow him to concentrate.
          1. 11Goor11
            11Goor11 27 March 2013 16: 14 New
            +1
            Really, like this, without fear, to cover all these corrupt Eurocrates ... It’s a pity that we have no such Men in parliament in Ukraine!
    3. vvvrus39
      vvvrus39 27 March 2013 10: 26 New
      +3
      I fully agree with Egoza. Priority to our laws!
  8. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 27 March 2013 09: 12 New
    +3
    t idleness apparently began to discuss, in Russia there have always been spiritual values. on which everything else was based. In the West there is no such thing. The lack of spirituality of laws is not ours, it is scary.
    1. philippov
      philippov 27 March 2013 10: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: serezhasoldatow
      t idleness apparently began to discuss, in Russia there have always been spiritual values. on which everything else was based. In the West there is no such thing. The lack of spirituality of laws is not ours, it is scary.

      Yes, but only SPIRITUAL VALUES, like all the good things we have, must be protected!
  9. PrikVO 84-86
    PrikVO 84-86 27 March 2013 10: 17 New
    +2
    I will tell you a case that happened in our community. Several weeks ago.
    A girl runs into the library of the microdistrict. 12 years. She walked with a dog in the area. Around people, houses, shops. And he says that some uncle began to take off her pants with her. Pedophile. Immediately called the cops. Two arrived. The girl cannot explain anything plainly. Was there a pedophile or not. If someone was what he really did. Maybe I wanted to cast it under a tree. In general, nothing really figured out. And they went home.
    The next day, journalists came from some newspaper. Then there was an article called - c e to c-error in the library. Then came the leadership from the city library. In short, the noise of vanity is a fight against pedophilia. Which may not have been. And the girl, having heard this crap on TV, thought up something there. And in the library for a year the roof has been leaking and nobody cares. And the track in front of the library has never been cleaned since the beginning of winter - there are ice hummocks like in the Arctic. But the fight against pedophilia.
    Business must be dealt with. And do not fool people with far-fetched problems. I repeat again, if there is such a problem, then this is the matter of the police. Stop cracking about it at all angles.
    1. Nevsky
      27 March 2013 10: 31 New
      +2
      PrikVO 84-86

      The militia of the USSR protected you from the collapse of the country when you took the oath? No. Because they lost battle for the minds. Tanks, missiles and planes did not defend the Soviet Union because they underestimated the Western way of life, consumerism and debauchery.
      I recommend that you read why you do not hide behind the door:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UXUdVmKfNc
      1. PrikVO 84-86
        PrikVO 84-86 27 March 2013 11: 00 New
        -1
        Here is the removal of the topic of pedophilia in all media - and there is a losing battle for the minds. The problem of combating pedophilia, like pedophilia itself, is a chimera. This is an artificially created entity that is not related to the daily life of 99,99% of the population. No need to fight with chimeras. No need to follow the agenda that hostile forces are imposing on society. We must form our own agenda. This applies to the ideological component of society. And so - it’s better to repair the roof than to catch non-existent crowds of pedophiles. Of course, we can say that this and that are necessary. But, in fact, it turns out that the strength and attention of society is not directed at solving pressing problems. And in the fight against what has very little impact on everyday life.
  10. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 27 March 2013 10: 33 New
    +1
    for legal entities - from 400 thousand to 1 million rubles with confiscation of the information carrier.

    Explain to me who is aware of the confiscation of which media?
    And on the topic, I am also against the disclosure of all data about the child who has survived, after which life for him will become unbearable. hi
  11. z-exit
    z-exit 27 March 2013 10: 47 New
    +1
    Starting to read the article, I first thought that the author was a woman. The emotional involvement with the actual insignificance of the argument is already felt very much. This presentation of thought is more characteristic of female perception. It is felt that the author did not bother to study the issue more thoroughly and began to openly speculate on the topic of "juvenile justice", which was already painful for society. Put article minus. Excuse me, dear, well, why publicize the already unhappy, raped children? Do you not know that today's students are very cruel to their peers? The raped child automatically becomes an outcast at school. Well, you can’t do this without thinking to bring confusion into society ... You can’t. Next time, approach the topic more comprehensively. Better yet, make a constructive suggestion. And then sorry grief-writing turns out ...
    And still respected Author! If you are too lazy to read, then watch the video below about a similar princendent in Ukraine. Due to the brutality of society, mom was forced to look for a new school for the child.

    Quote from the article: "Neither the name, nor the place of residence, nor even the photographs and videos of the child can become public domain, the deputy is convinced"
    Well, thank God that there were still thinking deputies in our country.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 27 March 2013 11: 06 New
      +3
      For all pedophiles and rapists of children. There should be one punishment
    2. Nevsky
      27 March 2013 11: 15 New
      +1
      z-exit

      This presentation of thought is more characteristic of female perception.


      Good start. The hint understood. I could not resist, an important remark. The context of communication and perception is laid. I’d already call me a pedophile, Why bother?

      .... with the actual nullity of the argument.


      1. In the absence of compliance with the CPC, the only measure for the inevitability of punishment is public censure of the system’s inaction. The reason is outlined here: "Is dictatorship always bad?"

      2. The absence of more important laws, decrees, normative legal acts, which just will not bring to a situation where the whole society will be forced to know the tragedy of the family. Namely, the protection of culture and morality, moral education, the ban on the promotion of LGBT people at the Federal level through the media, entertainment channels, etc.

      3. Creating a precedent for the protection of the personal data of a child as a result of sexual violence. Further it will be easier to shove about the concealment of data as a result of "domestic" violence, etc. Whether you like it or not, this is an element of juvenile justice.

      Do you not know that today's students are very cruel to their peers?
      We return to the issues of education, culture and morality. Those. to item number 2

      And still respected Author! If you are too lazy to read,


      This is your liberals reflex perception of information in the form of pictures, although I studied in the 90s, I read books, and teachers were Soviet-hardened.


      then watch the video below about a similar princendent in Ukraine. Due to the brutality of society, mom was forced to look for a new school for the child.
      Once again, so that this does not happen, we need to resolve points No. 1, 2 and 3.

      In the article, I indicated that we are already prompted to write off the decision of paragraph No. 1 from the West.
  12. fenix57
    fenix57 27 March 2013 11: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Kolyan 2
    Explain to me who is aware of the confiscation of which media?

    Oh, probably the journalist is confiscated from the newspaper editor. After all, a journalist is a medium(joke yeah) hi
  13. Wertynskiy
    Wertynskiy 27 March 2013 11: 33 New
    +1
    Great article! In addition, I recommend everyone a video with the story of a woman who has long lived in Norway, where juvenile justice has unfolded on a full scale! From this video for all 100500, you can understand what lies behind it:
    1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
      Mihaylo Tishayshiy 29 March 2013 22: 02 New
      +1
      However!..
      One hour and twenty-three minutes is not enough, probably, who mastered listening to this. I have listened. And after all, Wertynsriy, there was some kind of a ch.m. that you minus. It’s of a secondary kind, because, apparently, of these, of the gay people.
  14. ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 27 March 2013 11: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: ovgorskiy
    You, comrade Nevsky, as the last journalist are ready to make yourself a PR on the tragedy of children, sip on the Internet with a riveting of topics that are forbidden for normal people on moral grounds. You will bring nothing but damage to the injured child and his family with your discussions in the press. You, in your desire to defraud power, go beyond all reasonable limits. Please do not confuse the word freedom and permissiveness.
  15. z-exit
    z-exit 27 March 2013 11: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Nevsky
    Would call me a pedophile

    Excuse me for offending you (I'm not ironic). And let's immediately leave the plane of personal accusations (I'm talking about "you have liberals").
    You expressed your opinion, I expressed my.
    Points 1-3 will not comment. Again, everything is voluminous with you. I made my conclusions for myself and outlined in brief, but I have no desire to impose them on others. Especially here on the site people are not stupid.
    Names and photos of victims of violence should appear in a criminal case. Especially when it comes to living children.
    As for the compassion of society, I will tell you so. These are not even my words. Each of us is 100 times more concerned about our own toothache than the fact that every minute a hungry and sick child dies in Africa.
    And yet - I still did not understand from the article why it is 10 times heavier in Russia ...
    1. Nevsky
      27 March 2013 11: 51 New
      0
      z-exit

      Excuse me for offending you (I'm not ironic). And let's immediately leave the plane of personal accusations (I'm talking about "you have liberals").
      You expressed your opinion, I expressed my.


      I accept. I also apologize.

      Names and photos of victims of violence should appear in a criminal case. Especially if they are living children.


      If this is the question, it is difficult to disagree. But you did not want to comment on paragraph 1. Therefore, in the absence of the implementation of the CPC and the inevitability of punishment, your argument is still subject to discussion and revision, like the law.

      As for the compassion of society, I will tell you so. These are not even my words. Each of us is 100 times more concerned about our own toothache than the fact that every minute a hungry and sick child dies in Africa.


      Mistaken error. It is enough to go to a social network, where many on the wall are social reposts of children’s and simply human tragedies, starting from providing assistance and ending with a support group under the courthouse, of course not an oppositionist, otherwise they’ll write in the white-collar writers ...
      he has repeatedly made donations, I try to go to church, I always need to remain a person.
  16. Begemot
    Begemot 27 March 2013 11: 49 New
    +3
    pedophilia, pederasty, unmotivated aggression, drug addiction, general alcoholism and other manifestations of the most dirty human perversity are the essence of liberalism in a frenzied, uncontrolled form.
    Liberalism does not prevent a crime by putting a pedophile in the face who flirts with children, or a pederast who corrupts youths - this is a violation of the liberal understanding of human rights and will have to answer for yourself. And when the crime is committed, it is still necessary to prove the guilt, which is very problematic, and even if the court renders an extremely mild sentence. The only time I am ready to thank the criminal environment is for a “special attitude” to such fruits of liberalism in places of deprivation of liberty.
    1. Nevsky
      27 March 2013 11: 55 New
      +1
      Begemot I put you "+", but:

      The only time I am ready to thank the criminal environment is for a “special attitude” to such fruits of liberalism in places of deprivation of liberty.


      Soon this final authority will not correct the mistakes of justice, the walls of the prison are high and powerful, but unfortunately this is not the Berlin Wall. I think they understood. hi
  17. z-exit
    z-exit 27 March 2013 12: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Begemot
    But you did not want to comment on paragraph 1. Therefore, in the absence of the implementation of the CPC and the inevitability of punishment, your argument is still subject to discussion and revision, like the law

    Under item number 1, I agree with you and do not intend to discuss:
    “In the absence of compliance with the CPC, the only measure for the inevitability of punishment is public censure of the inaction of the system ...”
    On this, let me take my leave. Good luck and success !!! hi
    1. Nevsky
      27 March 2013 12: 09 New
      0
      z-exit Come on, happily, thanks, pointed out the flaws. hi drinks
  18. Slevinst
    Slevinst 27 March 2013 12: 07 New
    +3
    It seems that everything is right, only for a start you need to tighten the punishment for pedophiles, moreover, it’s so tough that such thoughts from fear would immediately get out of your head
    1. Nevsky
      27 March 2013 12: 13 New
      0
      Slevinst, exactly, and it is necessary. This law is not even “in fact” and all the more so as not to outstrip the crime, it is, in my personal subjective understanding, one of the ways to leave the family alone with the blank wall of justice, plus this law will push other liberal reforms of justice, justice and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. After all, you need to give a tool instead of the selected one? But not Soviet - serving the law.
  19. artemiy
    artemiy 27 March 2013 12: 42 New
    +2
    How can a child be considered a full-fledged personality ??? The basis of juvenile is the endowment of allegedly child rights, but in fact submission and total control! Personality must be formed over the years !!! The parent in the first place always raised this personality! Juvenile justice is called upon to take away children from their parents! NO JUVENILE REPRESSION OF THE WEST !!!
    1. itkul
      itkul 27 March 2013 14: 36 New
      0
      Quote: artemiy
      Juvenile justice is called upon to take away children from their parents! NO JUVENILE REPRESSION OF THE WEST !!!


      That is, you suggest not taking children from families, such as in this article
      quote

      A forty-year-old father claimed that his five-year-old daughter seduced him

      http://www.mvestnik.ru/shwpgn.asp?pid=2012121510355
  20. taseka
    taseka 27 March 2013 12: 43 New
    +2
    Give the pedophile a couple of times to the people and there will be no more! But to put them in separate sectors is not necessary, sit down to criminals !!!
    It seems the most criminal criminal justice with respect to these freaks !!!
  21. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar 27 March 2013 12: 44 New
    0
    Some kind of awkward article, albeit on an important topic ((
  22. Skavron
    Skavron 27 March 2013 13: 17 New
    +1
    Hmm ... I want to add a little. And not so much in juvenile justice as in general on the issue of crimes committed against children.
    As an example: There is such an article in the Criminal Code of Ukraine No. 190 (fraud)
    - a fraudster, using his official position, robbed a bank of a certain amount (received a sentence of imprisonment for 3 years + fine)
    - a fraudster, taking advantage of his official position, has robbed a fund financing the treatment of children with oncology, for an amount similar to that in the first example. He receives a similar term.
    In the first case, the bank suffers losses, which it will quickly replenish.
    In the second case, the price of the issue may be in the life of the child and not even one due to lack of money at the right time.
    Is there any justice in this? No...
  23. elmi
    elmi 27 March 2013 14: 18 New
    +2
    Perhaps off topic - there was information on the media that our orphans were adopted, adopted by the West, for subsequent pedophilia. And the position of our government surprises me - one can say the position of double standards, when we accept the law of Dima Yakovlev only to America for Magnitsky’s law. But what about the rest of the country? Why do not we prohibit adoption to other countries? or the government does not introduce a ban by Europeans to have a trump card in their hands - insurance against similar Magnitsky laws in European execution
  24. wax
    wax 27 March 2013 16: 38 New
    +1
    All power to the Soviets of People's Deputies!