Kazakhstan: military training for money

From this year in Kazakhstan, it is possible on a paid basis in just one month to complete military service, an alternative to the traditional military service.

To get a military ticket in Kazakhstan is now possible for money and is completely legal. In the 12 regions of the country, the military-technical schools of the Ministry of Defense will open at universities. There will be preparing reserves for the Kazakh army. The young fighter will be able to complete the course at the age from 22 to 27 years.

During 30 days, those who wish can learn a theoretical course, practice shooting in shooting galleries and at ranges of military units, as well as familiarize themselves with weapons, military equipment and life of military personnel. In this case, the training of cadets will be expensive.

Reserve Colonel, Head of the Military Department of the Kazakh National University Yernazar Ishanov said that the initial military training is necessary for all Kazakhs:

“Now there is a requirement everywhere that there are military tickets. A demand for any job. Therefore, a person can unlearn a month, pay money and get a military ID. He, as a specialist, becomes part of a mobilization military reserve. Military schools are not military departments. Military-technical schools, remember, there used to be DOSAAF, specialists and drivers were trained there. They were already trained, they were only called for. "

This year, in Kazakhstan, 3 will have thousands of alternative military service. Rustem Kusmanov - one of them. He is a teacher of basic military training in the secondary school in Atyrau. Rustem noted that it is very difficult for him without a military ticket. Like a shoemaker without shoes. Now he will be able to set an example to his students:

“I can’t wait to go to my pupils in uniform as a soldier from the army. Now I will feel more confident, and there will be more authority in the eyes of the guys.”

However, military training courses are not cheap. Training costs almost 1400 dollars. But this does not bother anyone, since those who want to go through the army in a month are more than enough. However, the funds received, according to the military, will go to the expenses of the recruits themselves: food, the purchase of a complete set of military clothing. After completing the course, all field uniforms will be given to graduates for storage.

At the same time, the director of the Atyrau branch of the military-technical school, Marat Rakhmanov, explained that only those who received approval from the military office can undergo alternative service:

"These are the people who did not serve for various reasons, but want to serve. Of course, you cannot replace a full year of service, but they will receive the basics of military service."

Each successful graduate will take a military oath, will receive a military ID and will be registered with military service. But for those who fail the exams, the desired ticket will remain a dream.

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan is preparing another innovation. It is possible that starting next year, 50 percent of military specialists will be trained on the basis of civilian universities.

Comments

[Vadivak]

You can now get a military ticket in Kazakhstan for money and quite legally.

Help recruits in liberation from the army. Madhouse. Asia is Asia, the homeland of Bakshish

[Marek Rozny]

In Kazakhstan, only 10% of the total number of draftees is called up annually. The requirements for draftees are higher than in the Russian army, for example, with an increase of less than 165 cm, you can no longer get into the army. Take into account the psychology of the recruit, his moral qualities. The selection is tough enough. Indeed, we are paid a bribe to be taken into the army, and not vice versa, as in neighboring countries.
The rank and file of the army consists of 60-70% of contract soldiers. Of the conscripts, more than half have special or higher education. In other words, in the Kazakhstani army the number of simple schoolchildren of yesterday is a perfect minimum.
On the one hand, there is beauty. On the other hand, there remains a large number of people who have not undergone military training, which reduces the combat effectiveness of the country's reserve. In this regard, it was decided a few years ago to call for monthly training camps a non-serving "office plankton" ~ 30 years old. At the same time, you do not have to pay anything, and your wages are reimbursed to your company by the state. The guys are pouring a rod into the Moscow Region with a request to take them for these fees. This program is getting bigger every year.
Now they decided to take on another part of the population, which, for one reason or another, did not get into the active army. Many Kazakhs want to get the basics of military affairs - for themselves, or for a further career in the civil service. With such a program, the state kills several birds with one stone - we get additional trained reservists, and at the same time we do not bear any special financial costs ("cadets" willingly pay for their training themselves).
It is profitable for people to undergo military training - firstly, it seems like a "man" has become, secondly, acquired military skills, and thirdly, you get access to service in state organizations. And the amount of $ 1400 is large, but quite reasonable for those who wish, of which there are enough.
There really still needs to be taken into account the mentality of the Kazakhs. Kazakhs consider themselves to be a military nation, and children are inspired by epics about batyrs and stories about their own real military ancestors.
By the way, Kazakhs are the majority of ministry employees, not only because they are usually fluent in the two languages ​​needed in the KZ, but also because Kazakhs willingly go to serve in the army, unlike the local Slavs. Roughly speaking, the Kazakh army is 80-90% Kazakhs. And given that without a military card it is very difficult to get into the civil service, it is clear that Kazakhs are also the overwhelming majority in the civil service. At the same time, of course, there are no obstacles on the national grounds for military service. Moreover, unlike Russia, non-Kazakhs can also serve in the Republican Guard, while in a neighboring country a person with a non-Slavic face cannot officially be enrolled in the Kremlin regiment.
So, Vadivak, before being clever about "Asiaticism", it would be nice to study the question - whether it is necessary to help conscripts in Kazakhstan to get rid of the army.

[Tersky]

Within 30 days, everyone will be able to study the theoretical course, practice in shooting in credits and at landfills

, well, if so then it is possible and on a paid basis (for 1400 $) in cinemas and fight. On the topic, what can be taught in 30 days?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tersky

Well, if so, then it is possible on a paid basis (for $ 1400) in cinemas and fight

Well, why in the cinema, they’ll put him in a counter-stranger for a computer and they will fight there, only for grandmas

[Tersky]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Why in the cinema,

Sasha, or something like this:

[Vadivak]

Quote: Tersky

Well, if so, then it is possible to fight on a fee basis in cinemas.

Do you remember Vitya, Zhirik said ... “The right to deposit money and not serve is better than giving a bribe to the military commissar. Enriched by a military commissar, and so will the army, society.

Here it is about fired

[Tersky]

Quote: Vadivak

Here it is about fired

Vadim ! Why not shoot if it has been charged for a long time. Now that all legal-banal bribe has been renamed to "paid basis".

[Beck]

Yeah. Superficially look so garbage is complete. Well, if you look closely.

In Soviet times, military departments were in most civilian institutions. At these departments, students drove the bulldozer. Then they received a military card and the rank of lieutenant. And it was clear to everyone that he was not an officer, not even an ensign, and not a soldier at all. And no one after receiving a ticket did not go to serve in the army. Unless I was forcibly called up for a year or two, I no longer remember. So these two years, such a lieutenant in the battalion as Mr. ... apparently hung in the hole. I interfered with the real officers, was the seat of the soldiers.

After 90 years, military departments were canceled at almost all universities. Now probably the Defense Ministry decided to earn some extra money. Well, someone will pay for these courses, well, get a ticket, so he, such a month-long miscarriage, will still not be taken to any army or mother. It’s like a memo of youth.

For active service there are military schools, the competition in which is high, and true future officers go there.

[domokl]

It’s prestigious for Kazakhs to wear any form. And it costs a lot of money .. We have half of the faces of our police a little like Uruses. Oh, how they get our citizenship and go to the police, but in any outfit there is a representative of this nation.
In principle, the decision was dictated by two reasons - there is no money for the army and at least some resemblance to reservists

[Marek Rozny]

And what in Russia do Russians have a claim to the Kazakhs in uniform? Kazakhs always conscientiously serve both in the army and in the police. And there are many Kazakh Heroes. By the way, the only person who has for his military merits both the Golden Star of the USSR and the Golden Star of Russia is a Kazakh helicopter pilot Kayyrgeldy (Nikolai) Maydanov. The Kazakh diaspora in Russia is traditionally either in the military / police service, or working in agriculture.

[Beck]

Quote: domokl

It is generally prestigious for Kazakhs to wear any form

There is something to hide. The mentality of all springs. Dzhigit without a horse, that a woman without a hem. And if on a horse, then posture, and become, and a mark of military distinction. Though a saber, even a form. The main thing is to feel yourself a warrior.

[Marek Rozny]

Beck, who argues that the Kazakhs gravitate to military uniforms? This is even spelled out in jokes. Domocles simply wrote in a not very pleasant form. If I wrote something like:
"It is generally prestigious for the Russians to work as plumbers. And they are ready to dive into the basement with a key for 12, because it is considered cool. In Kazakhstan, half of the faces of plumbers are orys lol. will arrive, clutching the coveted key 12 ".
As a gritsa, try to find differences in style from Domocles' message.

[domokl]

Quote: Marek Rozny

We came in large numbers in due time, and now no matter what plumber you call, a representative of this nation will come, squeezing the coveted key by 12 ".

You don’t even have to look ... This phrase is already a hidden call for ethnic hatred ... I didn’t have such phrases ... Distort dear

[Marek Rozny]

Domokles, I just quoted your message, but instead of the "Kazakhs" I wrote "Russians". And this seemed to you rightfully offensive. In the same way, for me, your message about non-Russian "muzzles" in the Russian police seemed to be written in an insulting manner.

[Klim]

I don’t know how it is now, but in Soviet times, the Kazakhs mowed down, I had 7 Kazakhs in my company, 2 of them were in the military, and the rest were either an infirmary, a hospital or sometimes I don’t understand, but they put on badges for the demobilization more than the marshal did in the parade.

[Beck]

Quote: Klim

I don’t know how it is now, but in Soviet times, the Kazakhs mowed down, I had 7 Kazakhs in my company, 2 of them were in the military, and the rest were either an infirmary, a hospital or sometimes I don’t understand, but they put on badges for the demobilization more than the marshal did in the parade.

Everything was, happens and will be. Who says that Kazakhs, all polls, are an ideal nation. There is nothing ideal in the world either. Day with fire and night with a candle there is no ideal.

[marshes]

The reason is different, the military registration and enlistment offices are now selecting tall and of normal weight, looking at education and generally healthy conscripts. Even a laborer in a state company or civil service will not be able to get a military ticket. In the future, the army will be staffed by contract soldiers, now in some divisions there are about 60% and those who take the courses will constitute a mobile reserve.

[baltika-18]

Quote: marshes

Here the reason is different, the military registration and enlistment offices are now selecting tall and with normal weight, watching education and generally healthy recruits.

Yes, the reason is in the article, in plain text "pay money, get a military ID" (E. Ishanov)
What to come up with? How is it?
They are money in Kazakhstan too.

[marshes]

Quote: baltika-18

Yes, the reason is in the article, in plain text "pay money, get a military ID" (E. Ishanov)
What to come up with? How is it?
They are money in Kazakhstan too.

There are a lot of people who want to serve urgently, they even give money to call them. Do not compare the situation in the Russian Federation, where the police catch the recruits or the neighbors "hand over". We have a military ID is a social. .company with gos.uchastviem.Mentality we have a different, at those who did not serve look askance them one way shines-low-paid work for a private trader.

[baltika-18]

Quote: marshes

There are a lot of people who want to serve the urgent now, even they give money to call.

Something I don’t understand Bolot, those who want to serve in the army are even willing to pay money according to your words. But those who do not want can also pay and not serve, but be equated with those who served. Where is the logic?

[marshes]

Quote: baltika-18

Something I don’t understand Bolot, those who want to serve in the army are even willing to pay money according to your words. But those who do not want can also pay and not serve, but be equated with those who served. Where is the logic?

This is done for those who have graduated from universities and for some representatives of non-indigenous nationalities who do not really want to serve but who are willing to work in government agencies or companies where there is a share of the state. This would not accuse us of discrimination on ethnic grounds with they are employed by no more than 10%, and this is a tendency from the 90s. I served 7% at the training outpost and it was like that throughout the whole detachment.
I had furniture assemblers and a designer who did not serve in our army or yours after receiving Russian citizenship. The designer is generally from Novosibirsk, he has an aunt with us.

[baltika-18]

Quote: marshes

I served 7% on a training outpost and it was like that throughout the whole detachment.

Swamps, so you therefore become a fellow border guard.
Hold five, did not know.
Sincerely.

[Marek Rozny]

Countryman, correct. We will not do a contract army 100%. About 10 years ago they planned it like that, but then decided that it was necessary to have a reserve from conscripts. Typically, 60-70% contract workers, 30-40% conscripts adhere to the proportions.

[krasin]

Military training courses - for a month. And for the money, at the discretion of the military enlistment office - to allow or not? !! And then to the reserve. Is that how it ???
In a month you can learn -WHAT ??? them socks ??

[marshes]

Quote: krasin

And then to the reserve. Is that how it is ??

They are then annual military gatherings for ***** ut. Now, if someone served three to five years later they pull out for partisanism, up to 27 years.

[Marek Rozny]

In Kazakhstan, soldiers in the army have long ceased to engage in non-military activities (outfits for the kitchen, "painting the grass green", etc.). Almost all the time in the army is devoted to military training. For a month of active study, you can teach a conscript a lot. At least, if a war breaks out, then such a reserve will be of good use to the cadre army.
Z.Y. We have not had footcloths for a hundred years.

[krasin]

Hurry up with your socks! Footcloths - The most convenient thing and practical!

[romb]

In Kazakhstan, there are more people who want to join the army than to slope away from it. So they want people who, due to various circumstances, cannot or do not want to get there, be able to make their feasible contribution to improving the general defense capability of the state. For this, various schemes are being developed, including an attempt to legalize illegal money transactions - the slope / acquisition of military ID. That is, why take the risk - raising this question, if now it can be done quite officially.

[baltika-18]

Quote: romb

For this, various schemes are being developed, including an attempt to legalize illegal money transactions - the slope / acquisition of military ID

Well, that's another matter, honestly. Without the notions of the Swamp.
Officially paid off. Goodbye corruption in the military enlistment offices or whatever it is today.

[marshes]

Quote: baltika-18

Well, that's another matter, honestly. Without the notions of the Swamp.
Officially paid off. Goodbye corruption in the military enlistment offices or whatever it is today

As a rule, white tickets are bought; you are unlikely to get a job with him.

[FunkschNNX]

“I can’t wait to go to my pupils in uniform as a soldier from the army. Now I will feel more confident, and there will be more authority in the eyes of the guys.”
Does the CWP teacher even have a military man? Will purely civilians also teach on paid courses? Then it's better to comprehend military science from the movie "Team A" :-)

[marshes]

Quote: Фкенщь13

Does the CWP teacher even have a military man? Will purely civilians also teach on paid courses? Then it's better to comprehend military science from the movie "Team A" :-)

On correctly graduated from the military department on for some reason did not call and did not receive a green certificate.

[Marek Rozny]

In general, this is a rare case when a non-serving person teaches a student at a school. There are several options how it happened so legally.
But at the courses that are mentioned here, essno is taught by prof.

[elmi]

An interesting approach: solving the shortfall and replenishing the budget

[marshes]

Quote: elmi

An interesting approach: solving the shortfall and replenishing the budget

In this case, the turnover-bust.

[Marek Rozny]

Completely, Elmi, was mistaken. Firstly, we have no shortage. Secondly, the state does not make money on this. The draftee’s money will be spent on him. So the question of replenishing the budget is not here. Moreover, the Kazakhs have a normal situation with money.

[elmi]

I admit a mistake. I thought that in Kazakhstan as well as in Russia, but you know better you live there. And the dough is never much in the budget that in Russia or Kazakhstan

[Zomanus]

By the way, the idea is not so bad. I think that many people who would have gone down would have taken such partisan courses. At least at the level of NVP, for the money. For the war, if there is, it will quickly pass into the partisan stage.

[Marek Rozny]

Let me remind you the difference between people who have completed at least a month's courses and those who have not been trained. Autumn 1941, the Germans at Moscow. Moscow militias, who had no training, were easily defeated by the enemy. Two divisions from the KazSSR (Aktobe 112th and Almaty 116th), whose composition consisted of conscripts who had undergone monthly military training courses, restrained the superior enemy forces at the walls of Moscow. Now tell me - do the population need to be trained in military affairs for at least a month or even leave everything as it is?

[Tambov we ...]

The first strike of China will be in Kazakhstan.

[Marek Rozny]

if you fantasize, then it’s easier for the Chinese to break into Russia through the Mongolian steppe than to try to get through the Dzungarian passage to Kazakhstan, and even with Turkic Xinjiang in their Chinese rear.

[Beck]

Quote: We are from Tambov ...

The first strike of China will be in Kazakhstan.

I already wrote on the next page. I repeat.

In addition to the army, Kazakhstan still has a treaty in its hands. It seems to be light on paper, but the consequences are very difficult.

Kazakhstan got nuclear weapons from the USSR. Two divisions of Satan silo-launched strategic missiles, 38th and 57th divisions. And this is 48 missiles, each with 8 nuclear warheads. A total of 384 warheads. 79th heavy bomber aviation division - forty Tu-95s and 240 nuclear cruise missiles for them.

Kazakhstan, represented by Nazarbayev, refused this nuclear weapons and signed an agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons in 1993, but demanded a guarantee. And the big nuclear five gave the guarantee on the territorial integrity of Kazakhstan, the inviolability of its borders, and the suppression of any aggression against Kazakhstan from the United States, Russia, China, France, England.

Well, how now China to attack Kazakhstan. First, he will have to violate the contract and the guarantees of this contract. Secondly, China will automatically expose itself to the blow of the United States, Russia, France, England, because they will have to fulfill the data they signed on the guarantee for Kazakhstan, in exchange for refusing nuclear weapons. Does China need this? Take on the crushing rocket attack of 4 nuclear powers. In my opinion, this is completely useless for China. He has other problems.

And also, this applies to any guarantor country. They are tied with the guarantee of responsibility and responsibility around Kazakhstan.

Hypothetically. It is easier for China to attack Russia and deal with it one on one. What to hurt Kazakhstan in this case, because then the United States will have to intervene. England, France, as if fulfilling their guarantees to Kazakhstan and, in fact, becoming allies of Russia.

[Mosen6Ish]

Quote: Beck

So these two years, such a lieutenant in the battalion as Mr. ... apparently hung in the hole. I interfered with the real officers, was the seat of the soldiers.

For active service there are military schools, the competition in which is high, and true future officers go there.

Why so about all that? And so shamelessly about some and pathos about others. Phew.

[Beck]

Quote: Mosen6Ish

Why so about all that? And so shamelessly about some and pathos about others. Phew.

Well, it’s impossible to talk about everyone and everything at all, since this does not happen in nature. Of course there were units both there and there.

And I spoke not just naked. I saw both with my own eyes. When he was in military service, he served as a tank commander in a tank battalion and saw these conscripts as officers for two years. One only somehow met the army requirements and tried something. Other days before the demobilization counted.

Then, while studying at a medical institute, he also passed a military department at the 5th year. Well, it was not a serious subject for students. Yes, someone was interested, but the majority was up to the bulb just to get a credit. Since no one was going to join the army after graduation. Who wanted to, he went to the Tomsk Military Medical Academy after 3 courses.

[Kazbek]

They tell you in Kazakhstan that there are a lot of young people who will not be taken into the army and what you will order to do with them, if the buyer chooses the healthiest and everyone wants to serve. Then they go to 27 with no respite, they don’t write off because they’re healthy, and so they decided to do. In the military enlistment offices in crowds they stand and take only a few, and at least they will give the soldier.

[Marek Rozny]

The other day I talked with the guys from the Moscow Region. In short, they will not train for a month, but for two months. Once again I was convinced that in the Moscow region guys with brains work for us.

[Nomad]

Quote: Marek Rozny

(Aktobe 112th and Almaty 116th),

Marek, typo, 312nd and 316th.