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Eurasian political science. Why do we care about the future superwar in Central Asia

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Eurasian political science. Why do we care about the future superwar in Central AsiaUzbekistan is going to build a railway branch with a length of about 150 km, bypassing Tajikistan. For Uzbekistan, which got all the major cities of Central Asia, such a maneuver, perhaps, will bring certain bonuses. First, it will not be necessary to pay about 25 million dollars to Tajikistan annually. Secondly, no matter how cool it is, it is easier to control your railway than passing through the territory of a state that either has a border with Afghanistan or not.


But, on the other hand, given the cost of the project - about 2 billion dollars - profitability is questionable.

However, for Tajikistan, the loss of transit from Tashkent to the densely populated cities of the Fergana Valley will be terrible not so much financial losses as civilization. The sparsely populated territory, devoid of any transit and normal communication with the regional centers of Central Asia - Tashkent, Samarkand and Bukhara - will be doomed to further savagery.

The fact is that in Central Asia, however, as in the rest of Eurasia, the points of civilization growth are precisely the cities. And for Tajikistan, which got only one city - Dushanbe, which became a city only in 1929 year, when it was connected by rail with the rest of the cities of Central Asia, and before that was a big village, communication was interrupted with Tashkent and other megacities. would mean a humanitarian catastrophe.

However, all games in the bypass railway cannot be considered in isolation from Tajikistan’s attempt to cut off the Uzbek lowlands from the water - due to the construction of the Rogun hydropower station.

That is, the situation is stalemate: you will block the water for us, and we will cut you off from major cities for this. The script, painfully reminiscent of computer games or postapocalyptic films. I saw something similar in South Ossetia, where Ossetian and Georgian villages were located on different sides of the same mountain, feeding from one river and occasionally blocking it from each other.

For the permanent leader of Uzbekistan - 75-year-old Islam Karimov - the situation does not look stalemate. At one time, he even intimidated the Tajik President Rakhmon with the possibility of a war in the region and made scandals at the UN.

It does not look like a stalemate for the Tajik leadership, which sees its strategic advantage in the overlap of water for the Uzbeks.

But, by and large, it does not matter who will win in this conflict - because both sides will lose. And given the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan in 2014, and the chances of the entire region becoming a big Afghan, not only the independent rulers, but also their people will lose. Moreover, it is interesting that the population itself votes for the projects of Independent Tajikistan and Independent Uzbekistan with their feet: it was the Tajik and the Uzbeks who became the leaders among Eurasian guest workers. Even exit visas in Uzbekistan that have survived since the USSR do not help: it's just impossible to leave the republic for Russia or Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan still needs to be pulled out - because nobody wants to work for 20 dollars a month on cotton plantations.

However, whatever the scenario of a specific crisis - the solution lies beyond the ambitions of particular Karimov and Rakhmon and their servants.


In order to understand the stalemate of the situation, just look at the economic maps of the USSR. From the point of view of the national economy, after the industrialization of Central Asia, there is no Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan. There is a Central Asian economic region, which can and should be considered solely as a whole. If you look for analogies that are accessible to everyday thinking, then the economic region is akin to an apartment building: apartments can be sold and privatized a hundred times - but this will not change the economic essence of the house.

I think that many of us in everyday life faced this phenomenon when they tried to carry out independent heating and hot water. After more than 30% of apartments switch to “autonomous system”, central heating becomes meaningless due to overloading of local networks. As a result, 70% of the remaining apartments will start to freeze out - and no matter how much you drown your fashionable German boiler at home, it will be impossible to warm up due to the fact that all the neighbors around them are freezing. Both those who invested in independent heating and those who rely on their own housing office will be left behind. Dead end.

By the way, if you look at the same map - but already in a part of Ukraine, you can see that the political "split" that we observe in every election takes place exactly in economic regions: east with its center in Donetsk, south with its center in Odessa and Central-Western with the center in Kiev.

Economic consciousness is also determined by the political consciousness, because the mobility of the population depends on the economic activity of the region, the economic relations of enterprises, and in the end, the way of life that has developed in 70 years.

It is also noteworthy that the Moldavian USSR was not part of the large economic regions - and, accordingly, today is a prize for a stronger economic union. In theory, Moldova should have to the southern economic region with the center in Odessa - because there are ports that are just necessary for the agricultural economy of Moldova. But due to the fact that the Ukrainian economic regions themselves were torn out of a single economic system - Moldova was sacrificed. Sadly.

... So most of the answers to the so-called. "National issues" lies on the surface. Soviet political economy was a fairly open and unclassified discipline. Another question is that she was thrown into a landfill. stories - along with other equally important branches of knowledge.

Therefore, I do not see any other way than to start learning from scratch - the basics of life in Eurasia. Like Mayakovsky - "what is good and what is bad." Explaining that building a railway bypassing Tajikistan will not lead to anything worthwhile. And not because in the Eurasian Union someone wishes evil personally to Karimov - but because one cannot deceive the objective laws. And if the Uzbek or Tajik leadership is ready to sacrifice their independent republics, then at least their population must understand that somewhere there are elites who understand how economic life in Eurasia really needs to be arranged.

Otherwise, we have all the chances to go through a large historical circle - with the beginning of the beginning of bais, clans and other Central Asian delights of self-organization.

Anyone who thinks that you can isolate yourself from Central Asia with a concrete wall, by the way, is deeply mistaken. First, more than 30 million people live in that Central Asian economic region - which is two times more than in the union Kazakhstan. And when such a mass of the population finds itself in a situation of a humanitarian and economic crisis, no one will have a way out.

Moreover, our pale-faced brothers perfectly understand the situation. Thus, the director of national intelligence presented the US Senate an annual report on international threats to security (the “Worldwide Threat Assessment of the US Intelligence Community”), which explicitly states that the threats to the republics of Central Asia are contained primarily in themselves.

Yes, people are already fleeing from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan - but so far there is no war in the region. After the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan in 2014, the processes risk acquiring an avalanche-like character.

And what will we do about it? Do not let the population in the Eurasian Union? Build filtration camps on the southern borders of Kazakhstan? Or shoot refugees?

Today there are more questions than answers. Obviously, only one thing: namely Central Asia will be a test for the future of the Eurasian Union. Because not economism will be on the agenda - who has gained more trading - but basic issues of life and security. Which, as you know, through negotiations and memorandums are not solved. The most important test - will come just 2 year.
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  1. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 19 March 2013 13: 24
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    And what will we do about it? Do not let the population into the Eurasian Union?

    If it will be necessary for our safety - we will not let it go!
    For the example of Europe is sad.

    To build filtration camps on the southern borders of Kazakhstan?

    it's time to stock up the barbed wire and machine guns.
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel 19 March 2013 14: 16
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      Quote: antiaircrafter
      If it will be necessary for our safety - we will not let it go!


      The GDP and his team clearly have a different opinion. Otherwise, they would not have caved in under the Tajiks (!!!) with the provision of preferential treatment to the Tajik Gaster and the abolition of export duties on oil. In general, it is amazing how some kind of Tajikistan dictates the conditions of Russia! This is a shame ... anyway, to imagine how Panama puts forward the conditions of the United States and the State Department jumps in haste to fulfill them.

      http://lenta.ru/news/2013/03/19/base/
      1. ultra
        ultra 19 March 2013 16: 36
        +9
        Quote: Mitzhel
        Otherwise, they would not have caved in under the Tajiks (!!!)

        Are you sure that under the Tajiks? Business is interested in cheap labor, hence you have to dance! IMHO, if not for this fact, our Central Asian "friends" have long been at home in full force! hi
        1. maloi3326
          maloi3326 19 March 2013 20: 58
          +1
          totally agree
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 20 March 2013 02: 07
          +1
          Quote: ultra
          Are you sure that under the Tajiks? Business is interested in cheap labor, hence you have to dance! IMHO, if not for this fact, our Central Asian "friends" have long been at home in full force!

          It's not even about rabsil, although this is also very important. Tajikistan is an EU candidate, therefore there is no reason to enclose it today if it is inside tomorrow.
          So much attention has been raised on the issue of migrants only because there is an internal political struggle in Tajikistan and this topic is very important for the current leadership.
          The fact remains that this region is extremely important for Russia and not only because of Afghanistan, but also because of China. And this is not to mention the United States and Uzbekistan, which in connection with Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan is the main threat to Russia in the energy market. Russia is making major efforts to keep Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan precisely because it will cut off China from this region. In this case, China will have to make the main bet all the same on Pakistan and the African continent, which means that it will also have to deal with Afghanistan. In turn, this will cut off the United States from Central Asia from the South. Iran blocks this region from the West.
          In this context, the events of 888, today's war in Syria, the escalation of the situation around the NKR and the Kurdish issue emerge in a new light. In fact, Russia will be able to cut off Central Asia from its main geopolitical adversaries by regions of instability. Having allies in the form of Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, implementing water projects it will be possible to "negotiate" with Uzbekistan. As a result, Turkmenistan will also come to the right decisions along with all its gas.
          As a result, while maintaining and growing instability in the Arab world, Russia will remain the only reliable supplier for Europe, which will inevitably lead to the convergence of our civilizations and the separation of Old Europe from the United States. The Eurasian project will be completed, the hegemon will go to the Asia-Pacific region and the main events of the second half of the 21st century will be held there, as well as the division of Australia.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 19 March 2013 14: 57
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      Quote: ..r
      given the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan in 2014 and the chances of the entire region to become large Afghanistan


      But I do not agree. NATO strongly rejected Russia's call to destroy poppy fields. And what are the Taliban who blame for the production of drugs?

      In the 90s, Afghanistan was the main producer of heroin. The tough measures taken by the Taliban at the time in power led to a two-thirds reduction in heroin production in the world by 2001.

      At the same time, the author of the study emphasizes that the draconian measures that the Taliban resorted to cannot be reproduced in other countries. Heroin, produced illegally in Afghanistan, was exported to the West through Pakistan and Iran. Since July 2000, the Taliban regime has banned the cultivation of opium poppy, from which heroin is produced.

      According to Professor Farrell, the methods of the Taliban were successful thanks to the tactics used in the fight against the spread of drugs.

      "The approach was quite simple - the threat of complete destruction of plantations and rather harsh punishments against violators," the professor said in an interview with the BBC. "Of particular interest is how these measures were implemented at the local level."

      Peasants caught growing opium poppy were smeared with black face paint (this is considered a serious punishment in Islam) and publicly drove through the streets. The culprits also went to jail. As a result of these measures, poppy cultivation in Taliban-controlled territories has virtually ceased, and heroin supply in the world has decreased by 65%. Since the fall of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, opium production has skyrocketed.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 19 March 2013 15: 58
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        Quote: Vadivak
        Heroin, produced illegally in Afghanistan, was exported to the West through Pakistan and Iran.

        Well, the Iranians are now making their own "ax-head" for smugglers, but there was an interesting passage with Pakistan in the press: "Valentina Matvienko paid a visit to Islamabad. Russia and Pakistan in general diligently prepared for the visit - three before Matvienko's arrival, an agreement on reconstruction was signed. the metallurgical plant in Karachi, they thought about restoring the center of Russian culture in Islamabad, and it was quickly discovered that this country has 40 more facilities that are of interest to Russian business.
        For the most part - enterprises built with the help of the USSR, which now there is no one to raise from the ruins. And since the volume of trade between Russia and Pakistan is penny today - only something 500 million dollars a year, the parties decided to fix it. It seems that Islamabad just has to get closer to Russia, trying to join the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which includes Russia, China and the Central Asian republics). And not only to annoy Delhi.
        It's just that the situation is awful. Everyone is waiting for an imminent disaster - the departure of Americans from Afghanistan in 2014. Matvienko during the visit noted:
        - Concerned about what will happen to Afghanistan - would not lead to the collapse of this country.
        “The Taliban are just waiting for this. The history with the USSR is repeating - Karzai, controlling only Kabul, may not last long, - Pakistanis say on the sidelines. - And this means that the Taliban can come to Islamabad. Rumor has it that the Americans already have a plan to kidnap Pakistani nuclear weapons from the country so that the terrorists don’t get it ... "
        Apparently, this is why the Pakistanis, not trusting Washington (here they hate the Americans passionately, but tolerate "for money"), gently, carefully, invite Moscow to "share its experience in the fight against terrorists." And they even suggested that the Russian senators discuss whether to send special forces from Dagestan and Chechnya here to fight the Taliban and "dushmans". Moscow, of course, will have to think a hundred times whether it is worth again participating in this bloodbath? But on the other hand, Russia also has a vital interest here - protecting its southern underbelly from drug trafficking and terrorists. "Http://www.kp.ru/daily/26039.4/2954470/ As it happens ... request
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 19 March 2013 16: 25
          +3
          Quote: Kaa
          Concerned about what will happen to Afghanistan - would not lead to the collapse of this country.

          Hi Zhenya. the plus pedal is not pressed and the pictures are not loaded, regarding the Shepetovsky governor Peter Matvienko Che the Soviet Union didn’t care so much about it, and here the Americans leave you, my mother Lelik all was lost,
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 20 March 2013 01: 43
            +1
            Quote: Vadivak
            and here the Americans are leaving for you, my mother Lelik, everything was gone,

            The state order, however ... engage in geopolitics - do not toss the housing and communal services ... you can make a smart face too ...
        2. Guun
          Guun 19 March 2013 16: 35
          +3
          Smuggling drugs from Afghan wastelands will certainly be. but with the advent of the Taliban, the drug trade will fall as it was in 2000-2001 - if the poppy fields are left unprotected, what will they lie, the United States and NATO, while in poor financial conditions, will fight for the poppy fields to death. After all, they need to somehow weaken China and gain from trade huge capital for future resource wars. The Taliban will cleanse the entire layer of the population of Afghanistan from those who helped the United States and NATO, such a fate awaited those who helped the USSR. Further, the conflict will go south. Pakistan and India are waiting for the best time, the Taliban is still weak to fight the CSTO and will never do such stupid things, but Uzbekistan, if it crushes Sisi, will try to like the West, and fail to blink its eyes. The conflict for the province of Kashmir is unfinished, if Pakistan and the Taliban agree, the war will bypass us and break out in the north of India, it is also beneficial for China that India be involved in military troubles and think about economic and financial troubles, because empires can be won not only with weapons but also money, weapons are against the stubborn.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 20 March 2013 01: 53
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            Quote: Guun
            The Taliban is still weak to fight the CSTO and will never do such stupidity, but Uzbekistan, if it rumbles, trying to please the West, will fall and fail to blink an eye

            It’s time to revive the anti-Basmath CHON ... comrade Sukhov, ay! where are you, help out!
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 20 March 2013 12: 14
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              Quote: Kaa
              Quote: Guun
              The Taliban is still weak to fight the CSTO and will never do such stupidity, but Uzbekistan, if it rumbles, trying to please the West, will fall and fail to blink an eye

              It’s time to revive the anti-Basmath CHON ... comrade Sukhov, ay! where are you, help out!

              Noble picture ... by the way, great-grandfather was a Basmachi as you like to call. According to the relatives, the soulful man was well, he didn’t want to give his money to the Bolsheviks and other parasites, but I understand him very well ... It’s a pity that the Sukhov breed did not degenerate now, the commissars are not the same as the current Basmachi
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 19 March 2013 17: 23
        +4
        It seems to me that if we allow the wildness of Central Asia, then the poppy fields there will be even more than in Afghanistan.
    3. starshina78
      starshina78 19 March 2013 19: 42
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      This is not an option. As the water finds a hole, they will seep somewhere. In my opinion, first of all, it is necessary to remove Rakhmonov and Karimov, and then let the new leaders agree. Rakhmonov, first of all, so that he does not drip on the "brains" with the ratification of the agreement on 201 bases.
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 20 March 2013 11: 02
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        Quote: starshina78
        In my opinion, the first thing to do is to remove Karimov

        Wishlist does not crack the case, dear wink
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 March 2013 23: 49
          +3
          Karimov is an enemy of normal relations with everyone. And an enemy to the Uzbek people. Who can Karimov communicate normally with? I managed to quarrel with everyone - Turks, Amers, Russians, Kazakhs, Tajiks, Kyrgyz. Then he sucks up again, when necessary, and then again suits the taunts. If instead of Karimov there was any other adequate Uzbek, the integration of our Central Asian countries would have been implemented ten years ago. And hardworking Uzbeks would not wander around the world in search of penny earnings.
  2. Russian
    Russian 19 March 2013 13: 28
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    Just recently, a campaign began to introduce a visa regime with the countries of Central Asia, which was initiated by the New Force party. Signatures were collected, our law came out that if 100 thousand people sign the document, they will consider it. At first, only nationalists supported this project, and now even Putin has spoken out for the introduction of a visa regime since 2015, so things are moving. I believe that this should somehow stop the mass emigration of cheap labor, and our leaders will begin to take care of the working conditions of the workers so that the local population works, and not those who come for a penny.
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 19 March 2013 14: 00
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      It's not about the workforce. These migrant workers come here on their own terms - they are not going to integrate into society, they are going to build here our native Tachikiston (Uzbekiston) ...

      Better let them fight - with each other, otherwise we will have to fight with them.
    2. itkul
      itkul 19 March 2013 15: 24
      +4
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      our leaders will begin to take care of the working conditions of the workers so that the local population works, and not those who come for a penny.


      Alas, until we have our own powerful union, as in all civilized countries, strikebreakers will be brought to us
      1. Beck
        Beck 19 March 2013 15: 42
        +5
        There is no surname of the author of the article. The title of the article, without question, but with approval, is the Future Super War in Central Asia.

        It remains only to cover with a basin. That's how they like to frighten people with scarecrows, just to give out PR. It’s like the end of the world, a global flood, etc.

        Even if we assume that there will be some military skirmishes, which is unlikely, then it won’t pull on Super War. To take care of this in Zimbabwe, in Paraguay and on the nameless island in the Pacific Ocean. Yes, and Russia will be so - whether scratching oneself, or not. Well, no way the guard shouted like the end of the world.

        You will read such headlines - SUPERWAR in Central Asia. Think about it. You can figure it out. From the bottom of your heart you’ll spit on the headline and go on.
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 20 March 2013 11: 04
          +1
          Quote: Beck
          You will read such headlines - SUPERWAR in Central Asia. Think about it. You can figure it out. From the bottom of your heart you’ll spit on the headline and go on.

          And one logical question arises: aftar smoked something?
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 March 2013 23: 53
          0
          from Uzbeks - fighters like a ballerina from me. the war of Tajiks with the Turkified Sarts is something of a fantasy. will sell cartridges to each other. they are more likely to stir up civil wars in the saddest scenario than to actually fight with one of the neighbors. and even about the "superwar" born by Tajiks and Uzbeks, even stuttering is a sin. I would rather believe that the Turkmen or Kyrgyz will start a third world war than the author's idea.
          1. de_monSher
            de_monSher 22 March 2013 02: 30
            -1
            Marek Rozny

            Tajik war with jaded sarts is a bit of a fantasy. cartridges will be sold to each other.


            Ummm ... buddy. You, chat, chat, don’t dabble, okay? I understand - you’re young, stupid, life - you don’t see the acre of office walls. But that doesn’t mean that you can reason and cheek too much.

            In the mid-90s, for your information, you, Kazakhs, very quickly "made" legs from Tajikistan, and there we, Uzbeks and Russians, were puffing. So tell your wife a fairy tale about a white bull at night before sex. Okay? To look cool in her eyes ...
          2. de_monSher
            de_monSher 22 March 2013 02: 36
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            Marek Rozny

            Yes, by the way ... about the fact that a ballerina will not work out of you, - and thank God, you must agree - commendable self-criticism. It is very strange to see the freaks of a man in a pack, leggings and Czechs on the stage ... as strange as the reasoning of a person who does not own information. on all sorts of different topics ... *)
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 22 March 2013 18: 41
              +1
              Guyy, monSher, and with a fig, did you define me like that - young, stupid, who saw nothing except the office? )))) Psychic? ))))
              And now in the case:
              1) There were 400 Uzbeks in Tajikistan, and from 1995-1997 there were only 100 fighters at all. In 1998, the Uzbeks took their soldiers out of there. The Kazakhstan battalion numbered 500 fighters and they left from there in 2000. Now go and wash yourself.
              2) Everyone in the region knows about the low combat qualities of the Uzbeks. You are good builders, landowners, merchants, but as soldiers, you are complete garbage. What in ancient times was so that during the 20th century, what is now. The staff of the army was inflated, and as it was in the Holocaust, it remained. Fortunately, even though the Americans used shmurdyak tossed, otherwise the paradox is that a lot of money is officially allocated, but in fact there is no effect.
              And to fight with you is not even interesting. It's like taking a candy from a child. Instead of a military topic, it would be better if you spent money on social services. And even so, your budget is bursting from the military "percent".
              1. de_monSher
                de_monSher 22 March 2013 18: 50
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                Marek Rozny

                I don’t know, dude, why are you poking me, well, no question, I will answer the same ... *)

                Mid-90s, buddy, this is not the 98th ... estimate ... *)) since the 92nd in Tajikistan there have been at least 2 brigades of the Republic of Uzbekistan, not counting SOBRs ... well, army units and units that are not important to you, in fact ... *) in the 94th, just the same, they ensured the election of Rakhmonov, and at that moment, just the same, you Kazakhs from there draped - it got hot ... *) By the 98th, you are right, we left there - the relationship deteriorated ... *)

                Read the posts a little more attentively, or something ... dude ... *)
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 23 March 2013 20: 48
                  +1
                  Where did you see the appeal there? But now I will only address this. Blind or just playing a fool? He gave me a rude message in the first message, and now you're talking nonsense about poking and poking.
                  1) You are really dumb. You wrote in the first message that the Kazakhs allegedly left Tajikistan BEFORE the Uzbeks left there. I wrote to you that the Uzbeks left Tajikistan BEFORE the Kazakhs. Are you fooling around? In Google banned? Look who left when there.
                  2) What nafig stamps? Bazaar merchants, builders, cooks - this is your element. This is a reality that all residents of the Central Asian countries know. Sarta you, after all, and not the descendants of the nomads (with the exception of a small part of the Uzbek people). And Sarts never even touched military affairs. Or do you have your own Sart story? Or maybe the Uzbeks of the 20th century have shown themselves somewhere in the military? What Uzbek military hero do not take - or Kazakh, or Kyrgyz, or from nomadic Uzbeks. Even Dostum is closer in culture to the Kazakhs than to the residents of Bukhara and Samarkand. Afghan Uzbeks are the descendants of nomads, not the Sart merchants that make up the current Uzbeks of Uzbekistan.
                  Well, yes - you also have Tamerlane. Only Tamerlane was a barlas-steppe and spread rot on the Sarts. How you managed to mold "your" ancestor out of it is a paradox. Only a few barlas can consider him theirs by right, and the rest of the Uzbeks of Sart origin, in theory, should perceive him as a foreign Turkic enslaver.
                  What is in the Uzbeks of Uzbekistan - Turkic? If you do not take into account your state language, then you are closer to the Tajiks than to the rest of the Turkic world. Yes, and your language is already very otadzhichny. Che is already there to hide - for the most part you are Tajik jury. Therefore, neither Kazakhs, nor Kyrgyz, nor Turkmens, nor other Turks perceive you as their own. And our real brothers, who have almost disappeared into your people — the Barlases, Kipchaks, Konyrats (Kungrads) and others — any steppe at once sees only one cheeky face. Such an Uzbek is kindred to me. And I will never doubt his fighting qualities. And Sart is not related to me. I respect him for his industriousness and many other worthy talents, but talking about his fighting efficiency causes ANY TURK only a smirk.
                  1. de_monSher
                    de_monSher 23 March 2013 21: 42
                    0
                    Marek Rozny

                    ... about his fighting ability, ANY Turk only gives a grin.


                    Ear, ear, ear ... my Brother, when he received his first platoon in Semipalatinsk (tank, by the way, received 88 in 54. This is the question of “belligerence.” Although I personally admit professionalism in everything, including in military affairs), scratched his turnips for a long time, as if closer to you, to learn Kazakhs, so to speak - literary. I chose the book, "Nomads", by Ilyas Esenberlin, as far as I remember. Also, out of nothing to do, I reread it, from cover to cover and laughed heartily.

                    I, personally, did not mold anyone and I do not mold anyone. "Sculpt" you, just the same, even here, on this site ... *)

                    I understand, lie ... on the little things. But lying, massively, constantly - it's horror. Inventing a story, inventing causal relationships, appropriating other people's figures - by and large, this is paranoia on a national scale. And in fact, at the time of the entry of Kazakhstan into Russia, there was Turkestan from the cities on the territory of Kazakhstan, and then - the Uzbek-"Sart" city ... *)

                    What Kazakh history can you even talk about when even the word "Kazakh" means "a renegade, an outcast", a man expelled from the oases of the South, Miverannahr, to the northern steppes? *) From you ... personally from you ... and you get it ... by inertia, you "mold" a story for us, Uzbeks ... not only did you blindly make something for yourself, absolutely implausible ... *)

                    Dear, be careful when cornering ... The game of "inventing" a story can be played together ... Do you understand what I want to explain to you, or not? I managed to explain with examples, on the fingers almost? *)
                    1. Marek Rozny
                      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 14: 33
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                      1) In Semsk, your brother could get T-54 / T-55 only driven from the West for storage (if you do not compose). In the units located in the Kazakh SSR these tanks were no longer in the 80s, there were T-62 and T-72. And now, essno, we do not have such old tanks. Stop fantasizing.
                      2) "Nomads" by Ilyas Esenberlin - LITERARY book. Moreover, it is very good in every sense. I doubt at all that you held it in your hands. Apparently, he just decided to pass for smart.
                      3) You crap all crap. You drive nonsense about Tajikistan, and you don’t even feel shy about lies, then you write about the T-54 in Semipalatinsk.
                      4) About Turkestan and other Kazakh cities I would have been silent for a while. Go and look for the Sart graves there. There are only Kazakhs.
                      5) Cossack - does not mean "renegade", but "free, free". Don't mislead. And this word was the self-name of people who sent their khan in three letters and lived by their own will. And who drove us out ???? Sarts or what? Frightened with a skullcap ??? The Sarts are not even able to put together an army from themselves; they had to hire Turkmens and Kazakhs. And when they left, they generally turned into easy prey for the Russian troops. Everyone knows how the Sarts "fought". On the way, we "lost" half of the troops who fled home. The other half were shaking their fists and the Koran trying to scare the enemy. Name at least one "brilliant" military victory of the Sarts over the neighbors)))))))))))))
                      Even here on the forum, you are more like a dodgy marketer. Sart - he is sart.

                      ZY And stop calling me "dear, dear, buddy" and so on. Pzdts how fake. To shit is drawn from such artificial sugary politeness.
                      1. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 24 March 2013 18: 13
                        0
                        Marek Rozny

                        And stop calling me "dear, dear, buddy" and so on. Pzdts how fake. To shit is drawn from such artificial sugary politeness.


                        Hmm. This is when I called you dear? Point your finger? And the rest - but comments ... *))) The message - "You are all lying, you sound, you sound ... and I am a superhero and I know everything about everything." Purely humanly, if you take - every word, then you scream and boast ... *) Boring ... and most importantly - nichrinasenke, after all, you did not understand anything, human ... *)
              2. de_monSher
                de_monSher 22 March 2013 19: 16
                -1
                Marek Rozny

                You are good builders, landowners, merchants, but like soldiers, you’re complete garbage. What in ancient times was so that during the 20th century, what is now.


                Woo ... stamps, stamps, stamps. You shouldn't put stamps where you don't need to. Do not think in cliches, my friend = me, it is still more convenient to address people to you, respectfully =. That is why I emphasized your emmmm ... "spiritual youth", as I noticed long ago that there is boasting in your posts, more often than not there is no objectivity and vision of the situation. It was funny for me to read your comments, but to this day, I practically did not touch you. Everyone has fun and indulges his "pride" as best he can. You - in your own way, but still - know when to stop ... *)
  3. pa_nik
    pa_nik 19 March 2013 13: 47
    +3
    An interesting and informative article! Plus ...

    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    and now even Putin
    .

    I am afraid that if the situation turns into an "avalanche" stage, the emergence of a humanitarian catastrophe is inevitable .. We will not go anywhere - we will choose: shoot or "let go." I think humanism will win ... And in order not to bring the situation to a choice, you need to act "just yesterday." Strengthen influence, pressure on the "fraternal" republics of Central Asia. Unfortunately, at present it is not always clear which of us is the "younger brother". am
    1. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 19 March 2013 13: 58
      +1
      What avalanche? From SA to Russia, several thousand km of steppes. What is the problem? Geography will help us.
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 19 March 2013 14: 28
        +4
        Quote: PrikVO 84-86
        What is the problem? Geography will help us.

        Something in the case of Gastrika, thousands of kilometers of steppes nifiga do not help!
        1. PrikVO 84-86
          PrikVO 84-86 19 March 2013 14: 54
          0
          So it’s because the Russian Federation itself lets them in and invites them. But if, on the contrary, to counteract this process - it will even help. Destroy the railway and auto roads - let 2 thousand km dig on foot.
          1. kostella85
            kostella85 19 March 2013 15: 02
            0
            Quote: PrikVO 84-86
            Destroy the railway and auto roads - let 2 thousand km dig on foot.


            In Kazakhstan, too, to tear down?

            And how to carry goods to trade, on donkeys?

            So gastric and donkeys will roll .............
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 19 March 2013 15: 35
            +1
            PrikVO 84-86, where did they serve? I am in Lviv.
            1. PrikVO 84-86
              PrikVO 84-86 19 March 2013 17: 30
              +1
              First, the old garrison. Then in Yves-Frankivsk.
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 19 March 2013 15: 02
          -4
          Siberia is great, so let them go there.
          1. kostella85
            kostella85 19 March 2013 15: 13
            +2
            Quote: fzr1000
            Siberia is great, so let them go there.


            NOOS !!!!! We have them here (gastrik) and it’s not measured, we’ve probably heard that even the cities are already closing .........
  4. 755962
    755962 19 March 2013 13: 49
    +3
    Uzbekistan will receive almost all military equipment left over from the operation of NATO forces in Afghanistan. This decision of the White House causes controversy among experts: many are sure that arming regimes in Central Asia, States are laying a time bomb that could blow up the entire region.
    http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1363207860
    1. luka095
      luka095 20 March 2013 00: 26
      0
      If the United States gives someone weapons - this is to protect the interests of the United States. And if the Central Asian region explodes, then this is not at the borders of the United States. In almost all unstable regions, American weapons eventually fired ...
  5. 755962
    755962 19 March 2013 13: 56
    +1
    Russia and Tajikistan on the verge of a quarrel: Dushanbe is blackmailing 201st base, Moscow is no longer ready to endure

    Relations between Russia and Tajikistan are extremely tense and may soon go into the acute phase. Moscow is demanding that Dushanbe immediately ratify the agreement signed last October on the status and conditions of stay in the republic’s 201st Russian military base. Tajik authorities are slow in trying to extract additional benefits.

    http://www.newsru.com/russia/19mar2013/tadj.html
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 19 March 2013 16: 47
      +7
      Quote: 755962
      Moscow is demanding that Dushanbe immediately ratify the agreement signed last October on the status and conditions of stay in the republic’s 201st Russian military base.

      If Moscow introduces a visa regime for the entry of Tajik Gaster, then the agreement on the 201st RBF will be instantly ratified. It's time to end the games and promises, used to, damn it, live on a ball. The times of the USSR two decades ago have sunk into oblivion, and most of the "friendly" states out of habit see Russia as a source of freebies .. They wanted sovereign meat, but there is none, well, sip broth and then only on holidays.
      1. Juga
        Juga 20 March 2013 10: 31
        0
        It seems the wave has gone, so far weakly, but revealingly:

        The governor of St. Petersburg demanded that officials completely rid the city of illegal migrants. In particular, Georgy Poltavchenko called on district administrations to closely monitor the resettled houses, since it is in them that unregistered visitors often live.
        The head of the city did not set specific deadlines for ridding the northern capital of illegal migrants. At the same time, he noted that the fight should be waged only against illegal immigrants and should not affect the interests of officially registered migrants who comply with Russian and city laws. In his opinion, the city should provide all possible assistance in teaching the Russian language and standards of conduct in the country to such visitors.

        http://www.radiomayak.ru/#!/news/show/id/50079

        It remains to be understood - what kind of migrants we will have more, illegal immigrants or ...
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 21 March 2013 03: 25
          0
          What wave? Where did you go?

          From the Internet on the topic "Poltavchenko called to cleanse the city of illegal migrants ..."
          "According to the mayor, illegal migration is the result of" the negligence of certain officials. "
          Amendment. Georgy Sergeevich is the result of the negligence of ALL officials. Including the governor.
          Or do you want to say that until today they did not know about illegal immigrants?
          They knew, but did nothing, and therefore the situation finally got out of control.
          Well, I would also like to know (by the way) what measures will be taken for these officials?
          Loss of the award with the subsequent transfer to a new position? Or will someone answer? .. "

          Poltavchenko about migrants: "They will want to live here, work, have children ..." http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/902982-1/
  6. PrikVO 84-86
    PrikVO 84-86 19 March 2013 13: 56
    12
    It is not clear what the author offers. To invest again in the development of CA? And do not give a damn about Russian cities and villages. Relocate all Tajiks, Uzbeks and Kyrgyz to Russia? If they, despite the fact that they have no resources, have a rabid population growth, then should we think about it and solve their problems? If they themselves do not want to live peacefully with their neighbors and resolve all disputed issues at the negotiating table, then let them act as they can. If they do not want to develop their states — to build roads, schools, hospitals and kindergartens there, but want to get it all now and right away — should we liberate our cities and villages to them? And go to the forests yourself, or what? We have civilized them for over a hundred years. The result is zero. The author suggests once again stepping on this rake?
    And so, yes - borders, visas, repressions to illegal immigrants. And the fact that between us several thousand kilometers of the steppes of Kazakhstan is a plus.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 19 March 2013 14: 30
      +4
      Quote: PrikVO 84-86
      And so, yes - borders, visas, repressions to illegal immigrants.

      I fully support !!!
      1. afire
        afire 19 March 2013 15: 22
        +1
        +++++++ completely agree
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 19 March 2013 15: 38
      +2
      Then if we are with Kazakhstan in the Eurasian Union, then we will have to close the borders along the border of Kazakhstan in the south, and this is actually fantastic - there you can even carry atomic bombs back and forth, Kazakh border guards are sold without exception, at least on the border with Kyrgyzstan, and to think that they are different on the border with Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan is not worth it. hi
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 22 March 2013 00: 00
        +2
        if a Kazakh border guard perceives a Tajik or an Uzbek as an enemy, then who the hell will pass. in the meantime, there is no such installation. especially since they are in transit. those Gastas who settle in the KZ are another matter. they are handled by migrant workers. especially since they enter the KZ legally. really work illegally. but here the work is done by the KZ authorities.
    3. hrych
      hrych 19 March 2013 15: 42
      +3
      The article liked the phrase that speaks for itself: "will be doomed to further run wild".
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 19 March 2013 16: 09
        0
        Quote: hrych
        will have to close the borders on the border of Kazakhstan in the south

        The southern border is the first line of defense, the northern border is the second.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 19 March 2013 20: 54
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        I liked the phrase in the article that speaks for itself: "will be doomed to further run wild."


        For savages are cleverer to manage and make them work for candy wrappers, the old colonial policy of "civilized business" in new conditions. And independent strong states, God forbid, will begin to set conditions and ask questions, what are you doing here? And Malthus is still revered in the Roman and Bidelberg clubs.
      3. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 20 March 2013 11: 09
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        I liked the phrase in the article that speaks for itself: "will be doomed to further run wild."

        Well, right balm for the soul of our urtok Hrychu wink as they say to someone what a lousy bath ...
  7. evilest
    evilest 19 March 2013 13: 57
    +1
    Quote: 755962
    States lay a time bomb that could blow up an entire region

    Could it be called a coincidence that in Tajikistan there is up to 16% of the world uranium reserve, the extraction of which is almost not carried out only due to the extremely low development of infrastructure. And nearby Iran and the DPRK ....
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 19 March 2013 14: 46
      +1
      Che you are attached to Tajik uranium, it is where there is a lot. World needs per year are only about 6000 tons. Plus, no one needs mined uranium pulp. And in order to process it, technologies and enterprises are needed. Who in such an unstable region will build a uranium prospect.
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 19 March 2013 16: 29
      0
      North Korea finally on the other side of Russia
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 19 March 2013 16: 34
        0
        Quote: Black Colonel
        North Korea finally on the other side of Russia

        evilest probably had in view that DPRK and Iran strongly need Tajik uranium ...........
  8. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 19 March 2013 14: 01
    +4
    The author has listed options. In theory, you need to combine them - build a wall and put machine guns on it :)
    1. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 19 March 2013 14: 11
      0
      It’s better to use drones.
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 20 March 2013 11: 18
        0
        Quote: PrikVO 84-86
        It’s better to use drones.

        Ahem ... do they even exist? Something I did not see and did not hear about the drone UAVs of your production?
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 20 March 2013 12: 16
          0
          Quote: Ali Baba
          shock UAV of your production

          For border control purposes, scouts are more relevant, because we are not so bloodthirsty to wet everyone indiscriminately.
          1. Ali Baba
            Ali Baba 20 March 2013 12: 23
            +2
            Quote: antiaircrafter
            For border control purposes, scouts are more relevant, because we are not so bloodthirsty to wet everyone indiscriminately.

            Really? But while reading some comments I understand that let’s do it with napalm, they’re ready to burn everything here ... strange and where did the high moral non-colonizers and enlighteners have such a desire, because you didn’t capture Central Asia and came to give it civilization or not? maybe it’s also run wild, maybe it’s such a barbaric virus we are spreading from Asia in Asia? By the way, for reflection ... when the Germans pressed you in central Russia, who took your refugee women children? I don’t remember something so that machine guns and UAVs would meet you here.
  9. Rus2012
    Rus2012 19 March 2013 14: 03
    0
    Quote: pa_nik
    we will choose: shoot or "let go." I think humanism will win ...

    ... I think we’ll have to shoot and let go, sadly ...
    And to remember and apply the actions of the Red Army and the Politburo on the Sovietization of Turkestan ... Do you want or do not want ...
    If only you couldn’t repeat those past mistakes ...
  10. Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 19 March 2013 14: 06
    10
    I also think that it is not worth fencing off these neighbors. But the problem can be solved from the inside. It is quite easy for us (Russia) to remove the ruling regimes of the above Central Asian countries and to set puppet regimes in relation to us. We have crowds of Tajiks. It is necessary to recruit 5 percent of them and teach what to shout and where to shout, and even when to shout. And then deport all Tajiks to their homeland at once. A loyal opposition government should be prepared by this time. Crowds of unemployed will sweep away the Tajik Tsar to the cries of recruited brothers. Russian business will receive huge preferences and guarantees in the region. Investments will be made with an interest in cheap labor (which, as I said before, has already been deported and is finishing off the remnants of the Tajik regular army). If we close the border with Afghanistan, it will be possible to better control drug smuggling and redirect it bypassing Russia to Europe and let the USA blow dope on health.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 19 March 2013 15: 07
      +2
      Well done, NeSvytoy, common sense, you need to be a real leader in the region, protecting your geopolitical and economic interests! drinks
    2. Igarr
      Igarr 19 March 2013 15: 30
      +2
      Have not tried it yourself - ".. to teach about five percent?"
      5% to teach .... ".. And then deport all Tajiks at once .."
      And why the hell then to teach?
      .
      In Central Asia, the unspoken caste, clan community is still supported.
      The so-called "black bone" will never be in power. It will be in Russia.
      And the "white bone" is good in any case.
      So we must proceed from this.
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 19 March 2013 16: 00
        0
        Quote: Igarr
        The so-called "black bone" will never be in power.


        Nothing prevents "white bone" from inviting us to "seminars on the problems of democracy in Central Asia" !!! Let them learn, then they introduce our "democracy" !!!
      2. saygon66
        saygon66 19 March 2013 16: 08
        +2
        - Too weakening the local ruling elite, Russia may provoke its replacement by a newcomer elite: from Iran or Afghanistan. that there is no gut! Full-scale occupation of the SA flies into a considerable penny! I’m not talking about human losses! One sees such a way out: to fight the Indians with the hands of the Indians! A similar approach was used quite successfully by the States. Sent green money to the right place, and watched the local population translate each other into blindfolds! Is it possible, in this way, to use the diverging interests of the mentioned clans?
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 19 March 2013 16: 12
          +1
          And I’m talking about the replacement, as in Ukraine, Georgia, ........... of only the local elite that Russia needs!
        2. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 20 March 2013 11: 24
          0
          Quote: saygon66
          Full-scale occupation of the SA flies into a considerable penny!

          You first deal with the Caucasus, and then dream about new regions ...
          Quote: saygon66
          One sees such a way out: to fight the Indians with the hands of the Indians!

          dreaming is not bad ... but dreams and dreams how sweet your effervescent smoke is ...
      3. de_monSher
        de_monSher 20 March 2013 01: 24
        +1
        Igarr

        hmm ... and in what place is Karimov the same - "white bone", if you use your terminology? o_O
    3. wall
      wall 19 March 2013 16: 27
      0
      You would be in the presidency. Wow would heal ....
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 19 March 2013 16: 36
        +1
        Quote: wall
        You would be in the presidency. Wow would heal ....

        Nope, it’s better to have a deputy prime minister, at the Olympics or any summits ......... laughing
    4. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 20 March 2013 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: NeSvyatoy
      I also think that it is not worth fencing off these neighbors. But the problem can be solved from the inside. It is quite easy for us (Russia) to remove the ruling regimes of the above Central Asian countries and to set puppet regimes in relation to us.

      What are you saying? But what have they been doing all this time? Whatever you see, how you change two or three times and put puppets ... You would understand your respected swamp here, where they like to shout and put pressure on the authorities.
  11. Humpty
    Humpty 19 March 2013 14: 09
    +1
    Russia's allies in the CSTO, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and a former ally, now simply a "partner" of Uzbekistan, have established themselves in a semblance of apartheid.
    I do not think this condition is natural. Changes will take place, most likely unexpected.
    1. Melchakov
      Melchakov 19 March 2013 14: 15
      +1
      Quote: Humpty
      most likely unexpected

      Here we introduce the visa regime, and then SUCH CHANGES will begin in Central Asia. To the local buys, the world behind the matchbox will appear.
  12. Black
    Black 19 March 2013 14: 11
    +1
    Otherwise, we have every chance to go through a large historical circle - with the origin for the beginning of the bais

    1. All the same, NOT WE - THEY !!!
    2. What to do.
    Little by little create a "Muslim" battalion. And not alone.
    1. Normal
      Normal 19 March 2013 15: 53
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      Little by little create a "Muslim" battalion.

      Quote: NeSvyatoy
      We have crowds of Tajiks. It is necessary to recruit 5 percent of them

      Perhaps the most correct solution to the problem. But who will do it? The President is concerned about maintaining his power. Oligarch - preserving their money. The special services are concerned with protecting and taking over the business. All together are busy preserving the status quo and will not cross themselves until the thunder breaks out. A sensible thought "+"
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 19 March 2013 21: 00
        +2
        Quote: Normal
        Perhaps the surest solution to the problem. Only who will do it?

        I definitely won’t. At one time he commanded a company of Uzbek quarantine. well, it’s ... Then, for a whole year, the men of Kurbashi called me what
        1. Normal
          Normal 20 March 2013 11: 55
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          At one time he commanded a company of Uzbek quarantine

          I understand and sympathize. Uzbek warriors "noble"
          By the way, one of them, but only a very gifted one, on the discussion of "Uzbek" topics. Ali Baba's name is. note
          1. Ali Baba
            Ali Baba 20 March 2013 12: 05
            0
            Quote: Normal
            I understand and sympathize. Uzbek warriors "noble"

            Comrade "normal", I understand of course that the easiest way to somehow elevate yourself (despite the fact that sometimes there is nothing to do) is to humiliate your neighbor and look better against this background, but you, deep down, understand that your essence is not denying anywhere ... you'd better think about why a handful of horsemen from the North Caucasus are building ranks of boys not from the North Caucasus, but they do what they want, and then they would speak about us, so to speak, flawed and natives hi
            and thanks for the feedback about my humble personality, so to speak, Natsik Uzbek, as I was nicknamed here wink
            1. Normal
              Normal 20 March 2013 20: 07
              +1
              Quote: Ali Baba
              I understand, of course, that the easiest way to elevate oneself at least somehow (though sometimes it’s not good at all) is to humiliate one’s neighbor and look better against this background
              Well, of course you see, otherwise this is where it comes from:

              Quote: Ali Baba
              "... more than a hundred years they have been sucking resources from us ...", "They fed at our expense and fed others ...", "... if the Uzbeks did not work under the union, what would you wear?", "Was it possible that poor Vanya worked hard from the Volga region and the cunning Uzbek sat on the sidelines? It's good to write nonsense here.", "Offended you see our Uzbeks often offended you ..."

              And so on and so forth. And this is only yesterday. I won’t read your opus today; only time to lose. I don’t see the point in answering your attacks; others have already answered you in sufficient detail.
              Quote: Ali Baba
              Thanks for the feedback about my humble personality, so to speak, Natsik Uzbek, as I was nicknamed here

              Not at all, judging by the quotes given here, you have earned your nickname.

              PS
              I am not your friend, just as you are to me.
              1. Ali Baba
                Ali Baba 22 March 2013 08: 36
                -2
                Quote: Normal
                I am not your friend, just as you are to me.

                Well, I’m glad that I’m not a friend ... I’m not really worried about it ...
                But all that was written above that somewhere or where humiliation or someone I did not notice, so to speak, some naked facts from life brought you so hurt to see the right-wing girl, I’m giving birth to eyes that are shameless wink
  13. Explore
    Explore 19 March 2013 14: 25
    +7
    Machine guns? Yah? And what will help?

    Central Asia, no matter what they say, is rich in minerals. And Russia needs to keep this in mind. Is there any experience of the USSR? Really bad life? Or was there a dominance of immigrants?
    We need a comprehensive development of the region. True, without "financial" help and loans, because, like ours, 90% of the funds will be plundered by the ruling elite. The dominance of guest workers on the streets of Russian cities is the result of massive unemployment in the region and a banal desire to feed the family. Moreover, a significant percentage of the Russian population lives in the region.

    We shut ourselves off - the region will go into the geopolitical orbit of China or the United States. Then again we begin to cry about the injustice of being ...
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 19 March 2013 14: 57
      +3
      Quote: Explorar
      Moreover, a significant percentage of the Russian population lives in the region.

      In Tajikistan, Russians (Ukrainians, etc.) are less than 1% of the population !!!! (67ty.)

      And the rest is right !!!
    2. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 19 March 2013 15: 08
      +2
      If SA is rich in minerals, then let them live richly. We will only be happy. And if they can’t do it, it’s not just a matter of the availability of minerals. There are also some other problems. Ready to tackle them? Go there to mine uranium? Or allocate personal funds to develop Central Asia?
      Their massive unemployment is the result of the activities of their authorities. Or rather inaction. Who live happily ever after - and dump all problems on the Russian Federation. Rather, the population of our country.
      The region will go to China or the United States. ??? Is it like China or the USA will start building hydropower plants and roads there? Or open their borders to migrants from the SA?
      Maybe these countries will find other ways to influence, and not make a passage yard out of their land?
      1. washi
        washi 19 March 2013 15: 44
        +1
        The history of the USA began with slavery. I think it will end
      2. vovan1949
        vovan1949 19 March 2013 19: 03
        0
        They will build military bases there and non-hydroelectric power stations
  14. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 19 March 2013 14: 29
    +2
    why super war? even if it’s a local Central Asian and then short-lived, since neither China nor Russia will tolerate this near
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 19 March 2013 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: Ragnarek
      why super war? even if it’s a local Central Asian and then short-lived, since neither China nor Russia will tolerate this near

      I think that you are right, most likely a small Central Asian, local, semi-guerrilla war. With raids, carving villages, "smoke breaks" for prayer and other local exoticism.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 19 March 2013 15: 40
        +4
        Afghanistan forgot, brothers.
        Afghanistan is such a Central Asia. In miniature.
        Each gorge, plain, kyariz - its own tribe.
        Each half-wedge of "white bone" surrounded by "bachey" is a Basmachi gang.
        The war there is a way of life, and not because there are such Varriors.
        ..
        When the USSR in Central Asia pacified the gangster freemen. As soon as the USSR cracked-then all .. guano .. flooded upstairs.
        So ... Afghanistan is fighting continuously .... well, Central Asia will also fight - for a long, viscous, boring. Bloody
        Unpromising.
        Until the next Skobelev. Or Chiang Kai-shek, which is more likely.
        So maybe better sooner rather than later?
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 20 March 2013 02: 02
          0
          Quote: Igarr
          Unpromising.
          Until the next Skobelev. Or Chiang Kai-shek, which is more likely.
          So maybe better sooner rather than later?

          And before the new Vereshchagin ... earlier, better than later, better later than never, once in 100-150 years you need to be reminded ... they sit quietly for some time and do not shine. Such a postcard - in every house ... at least someone thinks about the bear, the Great and Terrible, which periodically wakes up from hibernation.
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 24 March 2013 17: 34
          0
          Quote: Igarr
          Afghanistan forgot, brothers

          Just some people think that Central Asia is only within the borders of the USSR
  15. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 19 March 2013 14: 33
    +1
    Leave the troops from this gadyushnik, and deport their citizens and introduce a visa regime.
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 20 March 2013 12: 27
      -1
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      Leave the troops from this gadyushnik, and deport their citizens and introduce a visa regime.

      We had to introduce a visa regime with you during the Second World War when the Germans were in central Russia and did not let trains with refugees come here ... I think it was necessary or not? Or is your memory short? Ali forgot? Well, well ... and so, before you write nonsense, turn around and see what you are ...
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 20 March 2013 15: 52
        +1
        Dear woman Ali, and thanks to the Russians, there was industry in all countries of the former USSR, and as a thanks to this, Russians were killed and evicted from the countries of Central Asia in the 90s.
        1. Earthman
          Earthman 21 March 2013 08: 11
          +1
          Quote: Krasnoyarets
          Dear woman Ali, and thanks to the Russians, there was industry in all countries of the former USSR, and as a thanks to this, Russians were killed and evicted from the countries of Central Asia in the 90s.

          do not insult a person. and again all the Russians built huh? and the rest of the Soviet Union looked yes? cure your attack of chauvinism
  16. maxvet
    maxvet 19 March 2013 14: 43
    +6
    I talked with guest workers (they worked with us in an organization) so they don’t want to live with us, someone needs to finish building a house, someone needs to marry their daughter, etc. The problem is more in our officials who are more profitable to cut money from these guest workers
    1. amp
      amp 19 March 2013 15: 48
      +1
      it is so far there is no war they do not want. I how the war begins and the daughter and the whole family will want to drag here.

      do not engage in complacency, they say they do not want .... trust them more!
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 19 March 2013 20: 10
        +2
        I absolutely agree with you, there are familiar cops on the railway, so they have a plan (not an official ess) but to collect money from departing Uzbeks, the same Gaster who worked for us, then worked on the construction site of the hospital, and according to the documents it was built by our citizens, etc., I’ll say, the city is small and how Gaster appeared, the construction prices fell by half, you need to build a clear and clear migration policy, otherwise a Russian from Moldova cannot get citizenship within 5 years and Tajiks just arrived and citizenship, and all categories of water rights, and immediately to the minibus ... that's what I had in mind about officials
        1. Earthman
          Earthman 21 March 2013 08: 13
          0
          Quote: maxvet

          I absolutely agree with you, there are familiar cops on the railway, so they have a plan (not an official ess) but to collect money from departing Uzbeks, the same Gaster who worked for us, then worked on the construction site of the hospital, and according to the documents it was built by our citizens, etc., I’ll say, the city is small and how Gaster appeared, the construction prices fell by half, you need to build a clear and clear migration policy, otherwise a Russian from Moldova cannot get citizenship within 5 years and Tajiks just arrived and citizenship, and all categories of water rights, and immediately to the minibus ... that's what I had in mind about officials

          construction cheaper on the contrary plus Russia. Do you want your power
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 22 March 2013 00: 08
      +2
      dofiga talked with the gastas from Uzbekistan. some received Kazakh citizenship. but almost everyone said that as soon as Karimov left and again in Uzbekistan it would be possible to live normally, they would return home. moreover, even my Kazakh relatives, who moved from Tashkent and Chirchik to Kazakhstan, miss their small homeland terribly. Still, the land is fertile there, the climate is good, the culture is more familiar.
  17. treskoed
    treskoed 19 March 2013 14: 44
    -1
    The East is a delicate matter. It is ungrateful to build any forecasts here. The determining role is played by the leader. current leadership will change and politics can change dramatically. And railway will go the other way, and the water will flow in a different channel. I believe that we should not draw any conclusions now, in any case, voice them. Time will tell.
  18. saygon66
    saygon66 19 March 2013 14: 52
    +1
    - Gentlemen! On the next page "Tashkent is authorized to show ..." You have the opportunity to communicate with the most interesting character: Ali Baba. It is strange that he has not yet noted this topic ...
    1. Ragnarek
      Ragnarek 19 March 2013 15: 09
      0
      Yes, Uzbek Svidomo is a mixture of vodka and sleeping pills
    2. kostella85
      kostella85 19 March 2013 15: 26
      0
      Quote: saygon66
      You have the opportunity to chat with an interesting character: Ali Baba.


      Cool guy Ali Baba !!! In the presidency of Uzbekistan him !!! laughing
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 20 March 2013 11: 31
        0
        Quote: kostella85
        Cool guy Ali Baba !!! In the presidency of Uzbekistan him !!!

        Thank you, but I'm not so bad. Everyone should do what he is special ... so politics is not for me ...
    3. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 20 March 2013 11: 29
      0
      Quote: saygon66
      - Gentlemen! On the next page "Tashkent is authorized to show ..." You have the opportunity to communicate with the most interesting character: Ali Baba. It is strange that he has not yet noted this topic ...

      Yes, here I don’t need an entertainer either ... but thanks for introducing me to the even people on the branch :) And here I read your comments and more and more I’m convinced that you guys are not flogging the road and very urgently with you introduce a visa regime and a point on this. And we somehow redistribute it and employ it. Washing out the indigenous population of Uz is not profitable for us.
      1. Beck
        Beck 20 March 2013 12: 17
        +2
        Quote: Ali Baba
        And so I read your comments here and more and more I am convinced that the guys and I are not following the path of beating and it’s very urgent to introduce a visa regime with you and that’s the point on this.


        Well, what the patriots you have achieved. First weeps that the empire in the form of the Union fell apart. Then you moan to put everything back together. It would be alright through equal negotiations. So you wanted everyone to gather again as provinces. Until then, everyone was put below themselves that Ali Baba, on a personal level, had turned his back on EurAsEC. You say - Well, let it be. So out of personal opinions and public opinion.

        There, Kyrgyzstan was knocking at the EurAsEC, so the other day you poured so many slops on it that they probably thought - Is it worth it.
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 20 March 2013 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: Beck
          Well, what the patriots you have achieved.

          Comrade Beck, it’s already clear that having humiliated a neighbor, someone is trying to just look better against this background, but his essence will hardly change from that and he won’t become any greater. Yes, and we already do not hold grudges against them; it is not our business to be offended; we just draw conclusions and I have already voiced the conclusions ....
  19. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 19 March 2013 15: 08
    +3
    for Tajikistan, which got only one city - Dushanbe

    And the author has never heard of such a city KHUDZHANT (in Soviet times - Leninabad) ???? Then I will allow myself to quote Wikipedia: Khujand (Tajik Khuҷand, Uzbek Khujand, Xo'jand, Persian خجند from Sogd. Kwc'nth, Old Greek Ἀλεξάνδρεια Ἐσχάτη, formerly Leninabad and Khoderesent) is a city in Tajikistan , the administrative center of the Sughd region. Population - 163 thousand inhabitants (2010). One of the oldest cities in Central Asia. The second largest city in Tajikistan, an important transport hub, political, economic, cultural and scientific center of the country. Airport, railway station Khujand. The history of the city goes back to antiquity. The city existed even during the Achaemenid dynasty. The troops of Alexander the Great, capturing the city, fortified it, calling Alexandria Eskhata ... etc.
    Well, if the author could not figure out the number of cities in Tajikistan ...... then what is the article about?
    1. tm70-71
      tm70-71 24 March 2013 17: 02
      0
      Have you been there?
  20. washi
    washi 19 March 2013 15: 43
    -1
    Sorry, but the Central Asians are all different. There are very competent, but they work on construction sites, and there are dumb ones, but they own shops, etc.
    And for emigrants and for their own, there should be one principle - all are equal. But those who know the language, the history of the Russian Empire and their KHANISTS in the interpretation we need are more important. Although there is nothing to hide. These emirates and khanates conquered for one reason. Raids on Russian settlements and the slave trade.
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 19 March 2013 20: 21
      +2
      Vasya for: "Sorry, but Central Asians are all different. There are very literate people, but they work on construction sites, and there are stupid ones, but they own shops, etc."
      Both for emigrants and for their own there should be one principle - everyone is equal. But those who know the language, the history of the Russian Empire and their KHANTS " +
      As for the raids on Russian settlements and the slave trade. Just look at the map where "Russians" fool settlements and where "these emirates and khanates" ????? request Just like in the fable about the wolf and the lamb: "You stir up my water here" The strong is always guilty of the powerless:
      In the story we hear the darkness of examples
      But we don’t write stories
      But how they say in fables ...
      On a hot day, the lamb went to the stream to get drunk:
      And I need to happen,
      What about those places hungry wolf Wolf.
      He sees the lamb, seeks prey;
      But, to give the case, although a legitimate view and sense,
      Shouts: "How dare you, insolent, with an unclean snout
      Here is a pure stir up drink
      My
      With sand and silt?
      For insolence
      I’ll rip your head off. "-
      "When the lightest * Wolf allows,
      I dare to bring that down the stream
      From the lordship of his steps I drink a hundred;
      And he must be angry in vain:
      I can’t stir up a drink for him. "-
    2. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 20 March 2013 11: 35
      +2
      Quote: Vasya
      These emirates and khanates conquered for one reason. Raids on Russian settlements and the slave trade.

      Vasya, my friend, have you ever seen a map? Where is Russia and where were the khanates? Good heresy to write ... The empire came here for the colonies and raw materials and the market ... we learn history and we read books ... did you kill me? Vasya raided yes across the Kazakh steppe and after thousands of kilometers and attacking a country that was simply huge and was then power, listen to what daring guys these khans and emirs were ... I wonder how much pride it takes request
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 22 March 2013 00: 13
        +1
        Russia conquered the Uzbek khanates because the cotton there was desperately needed. Even the Trans-Siberian Railway was built for two reasons - the transfer of Russian troops to the south, and the export of cotton from Uzbekistan. Well, and kakbe it is clear that the only Russian investments of that time in the region are the expansion of cotton fields water utilities.
        1. tm70-71
          tm70-71 24 March 2013 17: 08
          +1
          And nothing that the Russian budget of that time included 10 lemon gold for the redemption of Russian slaves, you read how many markets there were for selling slaves in Samarkand and Bukhara, only when there were so many Russian and Persian slaves freed from Bukhara and Samarkando, read the reports of Skobelev.
  21. amp
    amp 19 March 2013 15: 46
    +1
    what else can we do but build a concrete wall?
    feed them all?
    or let all 30 million come here so that chaos will begin in our country?

    I think we need to prepare for the complete closure of the border and be prepared to use weapons against violators of the border.
    it’s good if we find understanding on this issue with Kazakhstan, which also does not smile at being a flood of refugees.

    It is beneficial for us if the border is in the south of Kazakhstan, and not in the south of Siberia.
    Moreover, there is an open space that is easy to control using aircraft, including UAVs. In summer it is arid semi-desert, in winter there is frost and strong wind. I don’t think that you will go far there on foot. And cars are easy to spot and destroy.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 19 March 2013 15: 56
      0
      Quote: amp
      and what else can we do but build a concrete wall? feed them all? or let all 30 million come here so that chaos starts?


      Above suggested:
      Quote: NeSvyatoy
      It is quite easy for us (Russia) to remove the ruling regimes of the above Central Asian countries and to set puppet regimes in relation to us. We have crowds of Tajiks. It is necessary to recruit 5 percent of them and teach what to shout and where to shout, and even when to shout. And then deport all Tajiks at once to their homeland. A loyal opposition government should be prepared by this time. Crowds of unemployed will sweep away the Tajik Tsar to the cries of recruited brothers. Russian business will receive huge preferences and guarantees in the region. Investments will be made with an interest in cheap labor (which, as I said before, has already been deported and is finishing off the remnants of the Tajik regular army). If we close the border with Afghanistan, it will be possible to better control drug smuggling and redirect it bypassing Russia to Europe and let the USA blow dope on health.


      In my opinion, the most optimal solution, and for the price - not the most expensive !!!
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 22 March 2013 00: 20
      +1
      Incidentally, Kazakhstan is already in full swing building a real wall on the borders with Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.

      Border with Turkmenistan:
      Border with Turkmenistan


      Border with Uzbekistan:
      Border with Uzbekistan


      And with the Kyrgyz on the border we will never build a wall.
  22. valokordin
    valokordin 19 March 2013 16: 03
    +3
    After Stalin's death, the buys reappeared in Central Asia, especially when they bloomed after Brezhnev’s death. I know, I’ve been, I’ve seen. Andropov wanted to restore order there, remember Gdlyan, Ivanov, but he didn’t have time, he didn’t have enough life. Do not scare the war. The influence of Russia in Central Asia is quite large, the coming to power of the Taliban does not mean war and expansion into the former Soviet republics. They have their mouths full of worries. But I was interested in how our rulers protested loudly against the introduction of a tax of 10% of bank accounts in Cyprus, i.e. in the laundry room, where the stolen and laundered money is laundered from Russia. Governor Begorodsky-Savchenko expressed the opinion that it is necessary to withdraw not 10% but 70 from the accounts and publish the names of deposit holders, so that Russian citizens know who steals money, who is a real patriot and who is a Kipropatriot. I am for the governor’s proposal, and the idea arises that this is how the leadership cares for billions in Cyprus, maybe their savings, the savings of their loved ones, acquired by overwork on rowing ships are there. God forbid! or they cry for money nouveau riche, and for orphaned pennies of the Russian poor.
    1. Beck
      Beck 19 March 2013 16: 29
      +2
      Quote: valokordin
      But I was interested in how our rulers protested loudly against the introduction of a tax of 10% of bank accounts in Cyprus, i.e. in the laundry room, where stolen and laundered money is laundered from Russia.


      Already caught my eye. In all Russian news television programs, there is a direct concern about the affairs of Cyprus. About Spain, Portugal, Greece did not care. And here are angry protests against the events of the Cypriot government.

      Well, of course, the oligarchs have taken care of their blood stolen money. Well, they must have stolen everything in Russia in a row, hid it in a secluded offshore place, and here you are, give it for no reason that 10% of the stolen one. And the Kremlin silently protests against such an act of Cyprus. And why would it be if their money is not there.
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 19 March 2013 16: 40
        +4
        In Cyprus, large enterprises are "registered": NorNickel, NLMK, MMK, UralKaliy, MetalloInvest, .................... in general, all ......... ....
  23. IRBIS
    IRBIS 19 March 2013 16: 08
    +2
    "... not only independent rulers will lose, but also their people."
    And you will not tell me, that's what I care about the rulers and their "unfortunate people" Or should I go to fight for them? Or give up your apartment and give up your job? Well, then let's give them a couple of Russian regions now. Out of compassion ...

    "And what are we going to do about this? Do not let the population into the Eurasian Union? Build filtration camps on the southern borders of Kazakhstan? Or shoot refugees?"
    Why not? For the sake of saving my homeland from the dominance of foreigners and "smooth" Islamization, I am even ready to participate personally. Otherwise, we will waste all the heritage of our ancestors and ourselves will become their labor appendage. There are zero options!
  24. valokordin
    valokordin 19 March 2013 16: 43
    +1
    Quote: IRBIS
    Why not? For the sake of saving my homeland from the dominance of foreigners and "smooth" Islamization, I am even ready to participate personally. Otherwise, we will waste all the heritage of our ancestors and ourselves will become their labor appendage. There are zero options!

    Well, for the army general, this is too much, Russia has become Russia, which did not cut out the local population, as the democrats and liberals did in the USA, England, France, Holland, Spain, Portugal.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 19 March 2013 17: 04
      +1
      - Well, that's how internationalism and solidarity with the working people of all countries rush out of us! And to this day, the "cut-out" population of the former colonies is pouring into the metropolis - to get an education, transfer capital, and just in search of a warm place ... Are we afraid of losing nonexistent friends?
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 19 March 2013 18: 04
      +2
      Quote: valokordin
      that didn’t cut out the local population,


      I didn’t talk about the massacre of the local population by us Russians. I want that me, a local Russian, on my own land, would not be stabbed to death by "friends" from Central Asia demanding compassion. And I am ready for anything to prevent their hordes from entering Russia. Even if they begin to eat each other at home, it will not cause me absolutely pity.
  25. ustin
    ustin 19 March 2013 17: 00
    +2
    You are reading .umnikov here. and you think it’s good that there are no such people in power, the wood would be broken back for Russia .. I well know these people living in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, they all have almost the same customs, culture and ministry. As soon as NATO leaves Afghanistan, it will begin immediately inter-clan interethnic strife, do not forget about the Taliban, which has powerful military units, most likely they will break down the power of Afghanistan quickly. And as the main people of Afghanistan, Tajiks and Uzbeks are their majheds to rush to the historical lands of their ancestors in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and the current rulers have no support both among the people and in their dwarf armies, and most likely this violence will be supported by the Taliban. Here, under your nose, Russia will have a second Afghanistan with its armed people and drugs and with open borders to Russia. Russia doesn’t have to look at it as if it’s penetrating, it’s not blowing, it’s necessary to act now, as when the Emperor Alexander 2 crushed emirates and khanates under Russia. And big problems await us, having a big enemy on our side and don’t forget yet .that in Russia and the Caucasus itself there is a large Muslim population where the motto of Muslims is adopted ,, All Muslims are brothers ,,
    1. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 19 March 2013 17: 40
      0
      Not at hand. A couple of thousand kilometers - before this adder. And the second - they are brothers on the streets of Russian cities, when they shout frantically - Alahakbar. And, for example, in the Osh Valley - they successfully cut each other's throats. This is what we must use, and not shoulder the problems of the natives.
      1. Beck
        Beck 19 March 2013 18: 45
        +1
        Quote: PrikVO 84-86
        This is what you need to use, and not shoulder the problems natives.


        I didn’t read it at once. What year were you born in, what era do you live to scatter with such words? Natives. What colonial strings rattled in the bottom of imperial greatness?

        This is in the colonial era, the era of its exclusivity, the French, British, Portuguese, Spaniards, representatives of imperial Russia, they all called their natives.

        The leaders of our countries are struggling to build the EurAsEC, they want to involve as many countries as possible in the orbit of the EurAsEC. And here is some, undoubtedly - the natives say. Here Kyrgyzstan stands on the threshold of the EurAsEC. Yes, they hear such a hundred times think, and whether it is necessary to join the Eurasian Economic Community so that they are called by the natives.

        And after all, the EurAsEC is not being built because of the indulgence of Putin and Nazarbayev, but to resist the US economies. united Europe, ASEAN, rapidly gaining strength in China, India.

        ONE HAPPY DON'T BE SPECIALLY especially in the modern time, UNITE UP.

        So, before you crank out your tongue, first in your head, think over what you want to say.
    2. Beck
      Beck 19 March 2013 17: 47
      +2
      Quote: ustin
      And as the main people of Afghanistan, Tajiks and Uzbeks their majheds rush into the historical lands of their ancestors in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan


      Before writing this, I would be interested in the data.

      The main people of Afghanistan are Pashtuns. Tajiks make up 30%, Uzbeks 8%.

      And why is it that having abandoned their villages, their homeland is breaking into Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, into the unknown. Well, it is quite possible Taliban provocations, but no way to blame.

      And then, the Afghan Tajiks and Uzbeks have their homeland where they live now. This is when they drew the border between tsarist Russia and Afghanistan, they cut them alive. This is for you, this is for us. So they divided the territories of Uzbeks and Tajiks into two parts.

      It’s all the same if the border between Finland and Russia is held in the suburbs, and then they say that the Novgorodians want to return to their homeland, to Russian Voronezh.
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 19 March 2013 20: 07
        +1
        Beck, let him speak now, at least we will know, but we’ll come to our senses, but it will be too late, and then it will be too late. At the crossing, they don’t change horses, so it’s better to let them express all their fears and cockroaches. If there are many opponents on both sides, then as comrade said. Saakhov: "... no need to hurry" not everyone still has the crap out of their heads. In addition, a referendum is planned in Kazakhstan on this topic, so it would not hurt us, only quickly, so that the propaganda of third forces does not work out.
        Moreover, he doesn’t speak on behalf of the people, but there are enough of such people in Asia. The question is only in their quantity.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 19 March 2013 20: 26
          -1
          -Sorry. that I am intruding into dialogue ... Are there many examples in history of the return of independent peoples under the wing of the "enslavers"? In which country in Africa or Asia, the people desired to return to any kind of civilization? They eat each other and do not rush back ... Or do we have unprecedented, delicious sweets?
          1. Cpa
            Cpa 19 March 2013 21: 13
            +1
            Personally, I do not insist on taking anyone under wing, all the more persuading. Kazakhs will not go hungry without a union, like Russians. I am surprised how much margarine they managed to shove people in the head in the box and in paper editions. Only an insane person can tear everything out and is proud of himself and crammed into patrons, but the one who believes that he has the right to judge and reproach for common life has gone no further. It's the same as fire victims from one house arguing which of them is more grimy and who occupied the best apartment in this house. and we will not build a new one because proud.
            The old dies, giving way to a new, different in essence and properties, and on this new civilization is born.
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 22 March 2013 00: 27
          +1
          KPA, there will be no referendum in the KZ. In Kazakhstan, no one supports the opposition. We don’t really even know their names)))) Only the names of runaway oligarchs are heard.
          And the opposition in Kazakhstan is the brainchild of the government. And the government deliberately fosters it. Otherwise, in the eyes of the West, we will generally look unattractive. And so we are not without reason called an authoritarian state))) And so it seems that all the rules of the game of democracy are observed - "here, pzhalusta, there is opposition, there are zoos, there is an oceanarium, comrades foreigners. What would you like to see today?"
    3. MVS
      MVS 19 March 2013 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: ustin
      .And first of all, big problems await us, having got a big enemy near by and don’t forget yet. In Russia and the Caucasus itself there is a big Muslim population where the Muslim motto is adopted, “All Muslims are brothers,”

      You write: "in Russia itself and in the Caucasus." Question: Is the Caucasus not Russia?
    4. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 19 March 2013 18: 14
      +1
      Quote: ustin
      The main people of Afghanistan are Tajiks and Uzbeks, their majheds rush into the historical lands of their ancestors in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan

      With what purpose will they rush there? Is there more honey than in Afghanistan?
      Even if they rush it will be the problems of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.
      To Russia there are still a couple of thousand kilometers of arid steppes in summer and cold in winter.
    5. amp
      amp 19 March 2013 19: 22
      0
      Alexander had something to crush, but the Russian Federation had nothing.
  26. cayber_bob
    cayber_bob 19 March 2013 17: 17
    +1
    I heard and read a lot that in order to protect their cities from war - the United States, Russia, Europe and China will fight among themselves in the vast SA. Hypothetically, this is possible and there are prerequisites. However, at present, many have begun talking about the war between the countries of the SA, but the above countries will nevertheless appear under the masks of these countries. I don’t understand where lately such hype around the SA has come from and who is organizing the information war against the CA ???
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 22 March 2013 00: 30
      +1
      so far, all modern "superwars" were organized only in Europe by the Europeans themselves.
  27. yurga65
    yurga65 19 March 2013 17: 18
    0
    I agree with many of the statements above. It’s high time to introduce a visa regime, in the end, we have long been separate countries, but secondly, and firstly, our government and the Duma must be forced to pass a law that the employer can invite gaster only after this workplace at least 50-100 Russians will refuse in writing, and 25 years of hard labor for violation or swindle. Well, as for the wall, automatic machine guns and drones, why not, there is someone to take the example of the United States (border with Mexico), Israel. NOT a panacea, but vse ,,,,
    1. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 19 March 2013 17: 42
      +1
      The European Union - without noise and dust - has ALREADY built a wall on the border with Turkey. And here we are being campaigned for multiculturalism. Well, a word - you’ll get lost.
  28. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 19 March 2013 17: 28
    +3
    They lived in the USSR and did not buzz. And scattered in their corners, he they are sucking a paw and are ready to cling to each other's throats. Madhouse fool
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 19 March 2013 17: 32
      -1
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      They lived in the USSR and did not buzz.

      The RSFSR fed, it didn’t buzz ...........
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 20 March 2013 11: 51
        0
        Quote: kostella85
        The RSFSR fed, it didn’t buzz ...........

        C'mon, this RSFSR at the expense of all fed and sucked resources from the colonies of Ts.A. We don’t buzz only from your hut and noise is heard ...
  29. Cpa
    Cpa 19 March 2013 17: 35
    +3
    An article of propaganda blows, it’s good to sit in fantasies in Moscow, knowing four cities from memory. Regions will develop when they are visited by specialists, not money. Although in Siberia at least in Central Asia. We all need to be ill with nationalism, if there is no desire, it means to multiply like Chinese. Otherwise, they will consider us as a wounded old bear: dealing with it is not promising because it is dying, but putting it on the chest is dangerous because it has not died yet.
  30. Sirius
    Sirius 19 March 2013 18: 11
    +1
    The most important tests will come in just 2 years.

    Why such confidence?
    I remember that in the winter of 2011 I read on the website the forecast of the apocalypse in Central Asia in the summer of 2012. Nothing, war, thank God, no!
  31. knn54
    knn54 19 March 2013 18: 41
    +3
    The fate of Mubarak, Hussein. Gaddafi is the price of agreements with the West. Shevarnadze still got off easily.
    Without the help of the Russian Federation, the annual population growth of 3% nullifies all attempts by the new authorities to solve the problems of unemployment, i.e. visas / restrictions on residents of the SA can create big problems for those in power. Amerikosov’s money will simply end up in the pockets of Karimovskaya / Rakhmonovskaya and others families of people will not see them. A confrontation with Russia will do more harm not to Russia, but to Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
    Russia, together with Kazakhstan, is obliged to convince (and there are levers of influence) Uzbekistan to sit at the table together with Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan and to unanimously and competently resolve all issues regarding energy and water resources and forget their own ambitions.
    Do not be shy about dialogue with the opposition - it has never been homogeneous and there will always be sensible people there.
    The main thing is that by any means necessary to oust the Yankees from Central Asia. This is a constant threat not only for Russia but for the entire region.
    It is easiest to mine, build walls with barbed wire, blow up passes ... in this case, Russia will never become great and strong.
    1. amp
      amp 19 March 2013 19: 25
      0
      Yeah, Russia will become great when the Russians become a national minority in it, so do you think? After 50 years, I don’t want to have more Tajiks in Russia than Russians.
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 19 March 2013 20: 23
        +4
        Then give birth to 10 children and bring up real men, no one will oppress anyone who does not give himself an insult. How did people live without fences at the border before?
        Everyone is waiting for who would protect you and protect you. Russian must learn to support each other, not eat. If tomorrow the trouble is not the police, then the army will not help out, then what? Learn to live together, teach children how to live, give birth, teach, protect. No one can oppress such a nation. All of these are internal fears and have no relation to reality.
        The horde was several times larger than Russia in terms of population, but we did not become a minority. Why are we worse than our ancestors? Yes, we are better! We know more, we know more. Every Russian man has golden hands, if he wants, of course. And if he doesn’t want, then stick it empty ambitions for yourself, and do not dishonor your ancestors!
  32. amp
    amp 19 March 2013 19: 34
    -1
    Comparing the Russian Federation with the Russian Empire is absolutely incorrect.
    In the days of the empire, columns of Russian settlers followed the Russian troops. A normal Russian village family then had 9 to 10 children.
    Now we are witnessing an absolutely opposite process. And why then a comparison with the Russian Empire?
    And the army was then different. There were no Muslims in the Russian army. The army of RI took Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. Non-Slavic peoples were an exception to the rule. The famous wild divisions appeared in World War I not from a good life. So the situation is basically different now.
    It is also incorrect to compare with the USSR. There was a unifying ideology that is not there right now. And there was a struggle with religion. So in the current situation, interfering in the affairs of Central Asia is the same as interfering in the affairs of Afghanistan in the 80s — utter stupidity.
  33. pinecone
    pinecone 19 March 2013 19: 38
    +1
    It is necessary to be afraid of "superwar" on the streets of Russian cities, and not in the Central Asian khanates and emirates, they all perish. The mistake or delusion of Alexander II and his entourage was the transformation of a punitive expedition against the slave-holding semi-state formations of Central Asia into the annexation of these territories to the Russian Empire. The Bolsheviks added the Bukhara Emirate and in the end we got what we have in our cursed time.
    PS It is also worth noting the intensely implanted term "Central Asia" in relation to these territories, although in fact, purely geographically, the center of Asia is located in the capital of Tuva, Kyzyl (formerly Belotsarsk), where an impressive monument with the corresponding inscription. Flaunts right on the banks of the Yenisei.
  34. Clueless
    Clueless 19 March 2013 19: 48
    +1
    I suspect that the visa regime is not being introduced with these countries because they want labor for cheap.

    Well, will we close the borders and? There will come a scribe in six months a year - for it is something you need to eat, and whoever comes to power alone knows.
    1. amp
      amp 19 March 2013 19: 58
      -1
      Any scribe will come there. Not today, so tomorrow. So you need to prepare now.
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 19 March 2013 21: 23
      0
      Quote: Bad
      There will come a scribe in six months a year

      And why should we care about us?
  35. 1goose3
    1goose3 19 March 2013 21: 54
    +2
    And what will we do about it? Do not let the population in the Eurasian Union? Build filtration camps on the southern borders of Kazakhstan? Or shoot refugees?

    It is time to work ahead of schedule, and not in fact. It's time to pull the state workers under themselves, I emphasize pull up, and not push away. Make them yours, and through them, subsequently, pull them under you and your territory. Otherwise it will be an eternal headache.
  36. krasin
    krasin 19 March 2013 22: 06
    0
    In August 12 years I was in Magadan, and there the guest workers are already here, the Uzbeks or who they are, but they already got there.! winked Somehow I don’t like everything !! Tomorrow will be mosques

    , Alla -ulla then-their own orders and all - goodbye Vanya, Second language-tolerance. Putin-Uzbeks. Putin even knows Uzbek ??? With whom will I communicate ???
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 22 March 2013 00: 34
      +1
      I don’t know how Putin and Uzbek have, but Medvedev in Kazakh already in Astana was in charge)))

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCQOwTGgZVU
  37. in reserve
    in reserve 19 March 2013 22: 39
    +1
    Yes, independence and self-determination did not lead to any result. More precisely, they led only to collapse. Everything will be complicated, but what to do with it, you need to take these republics under guardianship and create jobs there. Under the current rulers in Central Asia, this is not possible because they cannot be determined, either yours or ours. And this must be done, perhaps even by violent methods, otherwise they will turn into a second Afghanistan and an even greater flow of illegal immigrants.

    Moreover, our pale-faced brothers perfectly understand the situation.


    Moreover, our pale-faced friends, and not brothers in general, this situation does not care and is even very beneficial. As long as Russia is busy with problems in Central Asia, SUSHA will be doing its tricks, bringing its homo-democracy to the world.
  38. fenix57
    fenix57 20 March 2013 05: 03
    0
    Quote: Tersky
    If Moscow introduces a visa regime for the entry of Tajik Gaster, then the agreement on the 201st RBF will be ratified immediately. Games and promises it’s time to end, we’re used to, damn it, live on a ball.

    Is it not about the location of the 201st it is said: ".. The US concluded an agreement with Tajikistan on the deployment of an American military base at the Afghan border, and Dushanbe even went to the expulsion of the Russian military occupying the base at that time, but at the last minute the US canceled the deal. .." cm.http: //www.ca-news.org/news: 1060403 hi
  39. Kazbek
    Kazbek 20 March 2013 12: 40
    +1
    Present to your bureaucrats that they themselves are employed.
  40. de_monSher
    de_monSher 22 March 2013 03: 05
    0
    Mdja ...

    On the main topic - there will be no war in Central Asia. Not for water, not for anything else. Arguments about water are ridiculous - considering that just the same water in Central Asia, dofig and more, is underground. Geopolitical wars are more real, but also ephemeral. Unless VERY, VERY who-thread does not want to untie it. The "long march" of the Taliban to the north is more than a fantasy. The invasion is a very serious enterprise, which implies clear logistics, a sea of ​​resources and such a strong moral background. In the next 30 years, the Taliban will have no clear resources. The morale of the Taliban is ... hmm, high, but ... in Afghanistan. There they have full support. In Uzbekistan, they do not shine like that. In Tajikistan, it is also unlikely.

    The war between the countries of the SA, included in the former USSR. In fact, for that matter, the war could have flared up in the summer of 2010, when there was a massacre in Kyrgyzstan. Flushed up? Has it begun? The decisions were made balanced ... I am not a supporter of Karimov, but at that moment I appreciated his endurance. There is no war ... and thank God there will not be. And honestly, well, no fairy tales ... no ...

    About the "raids" of the Central Asian khanates on Russia. Hmm ... actually, there was such a Cossack army - Yaitskoe (by the way, almost half - Muslim). And it is just the same, and sinned by raids on Central Asia, yes. But why substitute "about pro kwi", I personally do not understand at all. Is this some kind of nationalistic attack? What for? Who needs it, write a lie?

    Mdja ...