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Ukraine will sign the act of recognition of colonial dependence on the European Union

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The so-called Ukrainian patriots say that joining the Customs Union is a loss of independence. But under an agreement with the EU, Ukraine must ensure that it brings all legislation into line with EU legal acts. Moreover, any newly adopted document of the European Commission, the Council of Europe, etc. should be immediately implemented in the legislative system of Ukraine. It can be argued that the negotiating group headed by Deputy Economy Minister Valery Pyatnitsky in negotiations with the EU voluntarily eliminated the sovereignty of Ukraine. A document in which one party is endowed exclusively with rights, and the other with only obligations, and under the penalty of punishment undertakes to live according to the rules of others, cannot be called a cooperation agreement. This is the "Act on the recognition of Ukraine's colonial dependence on the European Union."


At one of the conferences dedicated to the results of the recent Ukraine-EU summit, I was lucky to talk to Alexander Gorokhov, a man who read from cover to cover the draft agreement of Ukraine with the EU on the Free Trade Zone (FTA) that Ukrainian politicians and political scientists with stupid persistence referred to as the "Association Agreement". Why "lucky"? Yes, because there are only a few of those who have mastered a nine hundred-page document in Ukraine.

It is not a secret for anybody that the main lobbyists of the conclusion of the “Association Agreement” are the owners of the enterprises of the metallurgical, chemical, oil industry and for the production of electricity. And this is what Gorokhov reveals to them: “The Annex to the Agreement speaks of“ regulating emission limit values ​​for existing plants. ”And there are these — our factories — since those long years when environmental issues were little worried. But in Europe today these questions are so acutely that almost every year the requirements for environmental pollutants are tightened. And after signing the Agreement, when even EU bylaws become part of the legislation of Ukraine, the Council of the Association will only have to “determine the schedule for out of Ukraine’s drain on these conditions for existing installations. ”The Council will include 28 representatives from the European Union and 1 (!) a representative of Ukraine. Please answer who will decide with this“ controlling stake ”whether to close or not close any steel works Ilyich? As the saying goes, "for what they fought ...".

Waiting for a surprise and electricity producers, the surplus of which, like its own gas production, are exported to Europe at world prices. After the entry into force of the Agreement with the EU, Ukraine will not be allowed to export gas and electricity at prices higher than domestic ones. Therefore, in order to export energy products, it is necessary to raise their prices for the Ukrainian consumer.

Now about the dreams of Ukrainian agricultural producers in connection with the inevitable transformation of the state into a raw materials appendage. If in recent years Ukraine has exported to Europe 3 million tons of wheat grain, now wheat supplies to the EU will be limited to one million. Of the 300 tons of sugar that Ukraine is capable of selling to the European Union, it will be allowed to supply 10 less times! Similar restrictions are provided for all types of agricultural products. What is not surprising - agricultural wars over quotas do not subside even between full members of the EU. In addition, for the 24 groups of agricultural products, Ukraine undertakes to annually reduce the export duty by one percent, down to zero. By the way, for other types of raw materials, including products of primary processing of metals, Ukraine is obliged immediately after the entry into force of the Agreement to establish export duties twice lower than those that it managed to defend at the negotiations on accession to the WTO. And over the course of 7-10 years, it does reach zero.

And, since they remembered the WTO - after joining it, Ukraine was obliged to introduce a ban on selling meat, fat, butter and milk produced in households from 2010 (the entry into force of the relevant law was twice postponed, and before the presidential election, of course it will not happen). So, the PTA Agreement will also sweep sauerkraut, pickles, pickled apples, natural oil, calf tenderloin and even honey from our bazaars, because the “Directive on the General Catalog of Agricultural Plant Varieties” strictly indicates that it is growing on our black soil may be sold. Notice, we still do not consider how many grandmothers will lose their livelihood. We are talking only about what we will not find when we come to the market.

And in the supermarket we can not find products with the already familiar “Without GMO” stamp. The recommendations of the European Commission guarantee "the coexistence of genetically modified crops with conventional and subsistence agriculture."

But back to today's exporters. The defense industry, breathing its last incense, still living at the expense of foreign orders, after the signing of the Agreement may well lose its internal state order. The tenders for the supply of law enforcement agencies must be attended by firms from the EU.

Another strict requirement for Ukraine is the “Railways Development Directive”. It, in particular, provides for the elimination of the state status of Ukrzaliznytsya and, thus, an increase in transportation tariffs due to the termination of subsidies from the state budget. "The development of railways" includes the implementation of the Directive "On the compatibility of railway systems within the Community". I remind you that the width of the railway track is 1520-mm. In Europe - 1435-mm. The total length of Ukraine’s railways is over 30 thousand. They are driven by 139,5 thousands of cars and 6,1 thousands of diesel locomotives, electric locomotives, diesel trains. And they are far from one wheel pair! Where to get money to replace all this?

Yes - I agree with Mr. Tolstov (one of the participants of the conference - VU.) - in 1990-s huge funds for structural changes in the economy were indeed infused into future EU members. But times are changing, and the once thriving European Union, according to the speaker of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, has been a bankrupt for a year now, unable to finance its own programs. And Ukraine, I remind you, cannot even count on membership.

Ask why they need us then? Here is one of the answers: "For used clothes and other used items that are within the Ukrainian customs code 6309 00 00, Ukraine will eliminate customs duties on imports." That is, in order to sell used things, finishing off the Ukrainian clothing industry. Indeed, in conditions of mass impoverishment, many will prefer high-quality and cheap new and expensive.

During the 4-5 years, Ukraine should also implement the entire corpus of European standards as national ones. This is more than 20 thousand standards - from the location of light bulbs, sockets, the type of road signs and "zebras" at the junction to the thread pitch of nuts and bolts. Of course, Ukraine should refuse not only national standards, but also withdraw, as inappropriate to European, interstate, operating within the framework of the CIS. This means that no Ukrainian company will be able to supply products to the Customs Union, where many Soviet GOSTs are now being revived.

Difficulties for Ukrainian business will bring, and it would seem, such harmless European bylaws (which, according to the Agreement, will become law on the territory of Ukraine), such as, for example, the “Directive on the structure of design requirements in accordance with environmental principles of energy regulation when using materials. In accordance with In this case, the Ukrainian brick at the price of the 1 hryvnia may turn out to be inappropriate with European eco-design standards, and you will need to build from imported bricks, costing 5 euros.

But, the main thing is in the document, where, for example, phytosanitary control procedures are written in the smallest details, there is not a word about the regulations of the work of supranational bodies and the mechanism of their decision making. However, the fact that the representatives of the EU are numerically superior to them indicates that the voice of the Ukrainian side will in no way influence the decisions made. Moreover, Ukraine does not have the right to challenge the conclusions of the "European brothers", because, according to article 475, "the decision adopted by the relevant established authority ... should not be disputed."

The so-called Ukrainian patriots say that joining the Customs Union is a loss of independence, so part of the authority will be transferred to the supranational body, in terms of the regulation of customs tariffs. But under an agreement with the EU, Ukraine must ensure that it brings all legislation into line with EU legal acts. Moreover, any newly adopted document of the European Commission, the Council of Europe, etc. should be immediately implemented in the legislative system of Ukraine. The Agreement clearly states: "Ukraine must ensure that at the end of the relevant period of time, its legislation will be fully compatible with the adopted EU legal acts." Guarantee! Contrary to the Constitution.

And I ask you to pay attention, if the future EU members from Eastern Europe performed similarly, having guarantees of acceptance into the European Union, then Ukraine’s acceptance is not even discussed. Moreover, since this voluntary self-torture is calculated under the Agreement for ten years, then, therefore, before this time even the question of associate membership will not be raised. And from the meaning of the Agreement, it follows that these 10 years are only the first phase of the "convergence".

Thus, it can be argued that the negotiating group headed by Deputy Economy Minister Valeriy Pyatnitsky in negotiations with the EU voluntarily liquidated the sovereignty of Ukraine. A document in which one party is endowed exclusively with rights, and the other with only obligations, and under the penalty of punishment undertakes to live according to the rules of others, cannot be called a cooperation agreement. This is the "Act on the recognition of Ukraine's colonial dependence on the European Union."
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  1. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. 19 March 2013 08: 09 New
    34
    The people themselves. Pans on their own. New Bogdan Khmelnitsky dumb.
    1. alex-defensor
      alex-defensor 19 March 2013 08: 16 New
      31
      Mdya ... I just can’t understand ... is it really that nationalism has so trashed the brains of the Westerners that there are no more forces for thought? And it is still not clear why the pro-Russian part of the population in Ukraine is silent?

      We need an urgent analogue of the RT channel, but directed specifically to Ukraine !!!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 08: 31 New
        19
        Quote: alex-defensor

        We need an urgent analogue of RT

        But to the point, in Ukraine, and so there are our channels. They are just lobbying for the interests of business, politicians and other hangers-on. What can they constantly say that games with the EU will lead to disaster? Citizens of Ukraine are sitting on TV and listening to computers, but they don’t hear. everyone wants to live as if in storage. there is only one problem - you cannot enter paradise on someone else's hump. hi
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 19 March 2013 09: 53 New
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          One half reaches the European Union, the other sucks. The other half reaches for the Customs Union, the first sucks. Output. Return to the Soviet Union. All the problems of wild capitalism will be instantly resolved.
          1. Cpa
            Cpa 19 March 2013 18: 33 New
            +6
            That's something like that, beautiful is the truth!
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 19 March 2013 09: 55 New
          30
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          you will not enter paradise on someone else’s hump.

          For worms, paradise is in a strange ass. Alas, it is they who rule here today ...
          1. domokl
            domokl 19 March 2013 14: 11 New
            +4
            The news is no longer news ... Ukraine has done quite a lot and in a very Euro-direction in recent months. And no matter how much Ukrainians talk about the unity of our peoples, we have to conclude that Ukraine made its choice. Unpleasant for us, even offensive, but made.
            I don’t know if it’s good for them, but in my opinion it was better for us all together ... But .. Agreements and more than one were signed, there will be no problems with ratification in today's Rada. And that means, alas, a new reality is coming,
          2. Rink
            Rink 19 March 2013 15: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: Misantrop
            For worms, paradise is in a strange ass. Alas, it is they who rule here today ...

            Brightly, convexly, figuratively ...
            Disgusting.

            But it is.
        3. Sirocco
          Sirocco 21 March 2013 07: 11 New
          0
          There, the people themselves, and the drivers themselves by their own hands, They remember the people only before the elections. The whole problem there is similar to ours. And it consists of representatives of the business elite in Parliament and the Duma. Well, once deputies think about the people. After all, it is necessary to preserve and increase, what for so many years has been welded with such difficulty. As in the joke, they ask Ukr. would you be king, what would you do? Kazhe, I would have gained a ruble of 100, i would have been laughing So are our deputies.))))
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 19 March 2013 08: 58 New
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        Quote: alex-defensor
        Is nationalism really ridiculed the brains of the Westerners so much that they no longer have the strength to think? And it is still not clear why the pro-Russian part of the population in Ukraine is silent

        I will make short excerpts from a long article - and you - draw conclusions about nationalism: "Ukraine is torn between two historical myths. One by one, almost all of its territory (as well as a part of Poland, Belarus and Russia) is ethnically Ukrainian, otherwise ethnic Ukraine is only a small area around Zhitomir, Kiev and Poltava, and the annexation of the rest of the territories to it is just a historical misunderstanding. If we approach strictly historically, there are no ethnically homogeneous Ukrainian territories at all, but there is a significant part of the country's territory that gave rise to the modern Ukrainian nation - and these are just those the most Ukraine, Podolia, Volhynia, Chervona Rus and "Zaporozhye Cossacks" from the old German map By analogy with Lesser Greece, Lesser Poland or Little Russia (which in all cases means the original territory of the future state), these areas can be called Lesser Ukraine, by the 40th century, when the Ukrainian people had already formed in general terms, the indigenous peoples of this territorycould be considered Ukrainians, Poles and Jews. But in the XVII-XX centuries the situation changed. Most of these territories became part of the Russian Empire, and the Russians gradually ousted the Poles from a number of cities (in particular, Kiev) .Galychyna (Chervona Rus) developed somewhat differently, which fell under the rule of Austria, and later Poland: here Polish and Jewish continued to prevail in the cities. population, and this situation persisted until the 1940s of the twentieth century, when the Jews became victims of the Holocaust, and the Poles were forcibly taken to the East Germany that was given to Poland. The half-empty cities were settled by Ukrainians from villages, because Galicia by the time of the formation of modern Ukraine turned out to be ethnically homogeneous. Transcarpathia had ancient Slavic settlements, but it was almost never part of Russian lands. At the same time, Hungarian has more historical rights than Ukrainian: appeared in Transcarpathia several centuries earlier. In Northern Bukovina, Ukrainians made up the majority, Romanians - a minority, in the South - on the contrary. The southern part of Bessarabia became part of Ukraine in XNUMX, becoming the Izmail region, and later - the western part of Odessa. However, the Ukrainians appeared there much earlier: even before Catherine II conquered these lands from the Turks at the end of the XNUMXth century, they, together with Moldovans, began to populate this territory in small numbers. The first settlement of Donbass dates back to the middle of the XNUMXth century, when it became the southern border. Russia. In addition to attracting Russian and Ukrainian peasants who were massively resettling from densely populated regions, Empress Elizabeth had another plan: she decided to resettle the Orthodox Slavs oppressed by Austria, Serbs and Montenegrins, to the Seversky Donets basin. Greek colony. www.domik.net
        How do you like such a cocktail from different countries and peoples? What kind of unanimity can we talk about? Here are a few nationalisms!
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 19 March 2013 12: 58 New
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          What kind of Ukrainians, when until the end of the 19th century such people were not mentioned anywhere and even at Gogol Taras Bulba calls himself Russian?
          New Russia cannot be any Ukraine, in principle, it’s the lands already joined by the Empire.
      3. Georgs
        Georgs 19 March 2013 10: 26 New
        +9
        Quote: alex-defensor
        Is nationalism really ridiculed the brains of the Westerners so much that they no longer have the strength to think?

        Well, why dirtied brains? For zapadenskikh this is a normal historically established attitude. Fastening them to Ukraine in the 40th was a big mistake. They have been and have existed for centuries, and will always be pro-Western. And while all these bukoviny, galicia (and what else) as part of Ukraine, the state of the swan, cancer and pike will be present. And in politics and everything else. Therefore, people are different by definition.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 19 March 2013 12: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: GeorGS
          Attaching them to Ukraine in 40 was a big mistake. They have been around for centuries, and will always be pro-Western.

          In 40, that was right! I.V. Stalin created a shield in front of Russia. Another question is that after the war they had to be thoroughly finished. Or again make a separate memory.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 21 March 2013 07: 18 New
          0
          Well, they will join the west, so what? Manna from heaven will fall, or something. Replenish regular slaves - guest workers as well as the Baltic states, Romanians and others. The Baltic states have powerful SPROTeconomics, zapadentsev what? whistles, beans, potatoes with apples?
      4. opkozak
        opkozak 19 March 2013 10: 35 New
        0
        Author: Dmitry Skvortsov
        Source: Эхо Москвы
        http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/andrei_skvortsov/1025956-echo/
        Ukraine has already been sentenced to death
        06 March 2013, 17: 45
      5. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 19 March 2013 10: 41 New
        -7
        "I just can't understand ... is it really that nationalism has dirtied the brains of the Westerners" Is it any wonder that the Ukrainian authorities are unreasonable after they themselves entered the WTO?
        Rather, it must be recognized that in Ukraine and the Russian Federation people came to power for whom the interests of the people are less important than the ability to sell the public property to the west.
        By the way, does anyone have information about this law:
        “This is agreement No. 410940-4 (or No. 99-FZ) signed four years ago with NATO that, in the event of popular unrest and man-made disasters, NATO troops can freely occupy the territory of Russia and conduct military operations on it!
        The Law in question, dated June 7, 2007 N 99-FZ "On the Ratification of the Agreement between the States Parties to the North Atlantic Treaty and other states participating in the Partnership for Peace" program, on the status of their Forces dated June 19, 1995, and Additional Protocol to it ". Adopted by the State Duma on May 23, 2007, approved by the Federation Council on May 25, 2007.
        "
        can not figure it out is a "duck" or reality?
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 19 March 2013 12: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: S_mirnov
          can not figure it out is a "duck" or reality?

          for me, a duck, since it has been debunked for a long time, there are articles on this topic.
          Well, for you, this is of course a reality, so you can put on a diaper and hide under the bed, otherwise suddenly an uncle from NATO will knock on your door.
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 19 March 2013 13: 00 New
          +2
          Duck, or a special disinformation.
        3. domokl
          domokl 19 March 2013 14: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: S_mirnov
          can not figure it out is a "duck" or reality?
          alas, there really is such a law and no one has canceled it ... Just like the program itself ... By the way, Russian troops under the same law can be in NATO countries ... in the same cases ...
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 19 March 2013 16: 28 New
            +1
            This agreement was probably signed by our patriot Medvedev, who awarded the servant for betrayal and brought Russia to its knees in front of the whole WORLD, and the essence of the agreement was prepared by "servants of the people" who are now "voluntarily" leaving the Duma in batches, so as not to part with the bobs stolen and real estate beyond the bump1
            1. Cinik
              Cinik 19 March 2013 17: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: ia-ai00
              This agreement, probably signed by our patriot Medvedev

              Break off, the law was signed by Putin. Medvedev then (2007) in the government was engaged in agriculture and health care.
        4. Genur
          Genur 19 March 2013 14: 19 New
          +1
          Smoke without fire does not happen.
        5. CTEPX
          CTEPX 21 March 2013 06: 04 New
          0
          Quote: S_mirnov
          can not figure it out is a "duck" or reality?


          This is reality yes
          Here: http://fesechko.livejournal.com/742.html - a good layout.
          And everything that is mentioned in the article for Ukraine has already been implemented in Russia since the beginning of the 90s. And only now, with a year or so, we began to crawl away from it OFFICIALLY. In Ukraine, they are now trying to consolidate what we have enshrined in the Constitution. It is much more difficult for us than for Ukrainian comrades smile . We need to change the Constitution.
    2. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz 19 March 2013 08: 44 New
      +5
      hi Real patriots of Svidomo lived only in the Commonwealth or the Grand Duchy of Lithuania .......))))))) in Uman and Berdichev)
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 19 March 2013 10: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Hunghouse
        and Berdichev

        I was in Berdychiv 3 times, in the late 80s .. we have relatives there, not far from the fortress and the river we were visiting. I remember going to the city for a walk to the department store and on, there like a new city was visible and helicopters were constantly flying, sort of like the MI-24 in silhouette. how is Berdychiv doing now, do helicopters fly yet?
    3. Civil
      Civil 19 March 2013 09: 28 New
      +2
      oh just do not need about how the bans bend ukrov, they themselves are tuned to Europe, and they dump a tub of slops on Russia, with joy ...
    4. vadimus
      vadimus 19 March 2013 09: 56 New
      +2
      How embarrassing when people are so lowered !!! Especially our brothers!
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 19 March 2013 12: 19 New
        +2
        Here you are right, our peoples have nothing to divide. But the national "elites" who have seized power will never reconcile, because at the same time, one must limit one's power. Because, as they say, Divide and Conquer! So they set up Ukrainians against Russians.
      2. Nesvet Nezar
        Nesvet Nezar 21 March 2013 06: 45 New
        -1
        Ukrainians are Russians. Ukrainians are not our brothers! Ukrainians are Russians living in Ukraine. This freaking invented fraternity and divided one people into different states.
    5. Komodo
      19 March 2013 14: 27 New
      +1
      Eh ... I had two good friends: Slavka Klets and Vitya Morzhanovsky from under
      Lutsk, worked on Yamal together. Where are they now? What is the matter with them?
      Probably learn German. It’s a pity. How many vodkas were consumed together.
      USSR, if you knew what was going on.
      1. Komodo
        19 March 2013 15: 09 New
        +4
        In general, was there a time in the history of Ukraine when it normally existed outside of Russia?
        Maybe they have some kind of plan? Maybe let them go?
        Maybe a New Empire is emerging in Ukraine, and we are interfering with it with our TS?
        Let them build a new state for themselves, which everyone will envy, let them experiment.
        Should it ever work out.
        It is only necessary to take out relatives.
        IMHO
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 19 March 2013 15: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Komodo
          Let them build a new state for themselves, which everyone will envy, let them experiment.
          Should it ever work out.
          It is only necessary to take out relatives.

          I also think. Only take relatives out and let them build what they want.
    6. mars6791
      mars6791 20 March 2013 22: 48 New
      +1
      But Roman law is, divide and conquer - in action, as in a textbook.
  2. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 19 March 2013 08: 14 New
    22
    It turns out that the ruling elite of Ukraine voluntarily go and lead their people to the scaffold? So do you miss anyone? How democratic it is !!! It turned out to take and bite itself by the eggs, phenomenal flexibility.
    I would like to ask the national minorities now: are you satisfied now?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 March 2013 09: 13 New
      +6
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      ruling elite of Ukraine, voluntarily go and lead their people to the scaffold?

      Both the ruling elite and the opposition are confident that they will fill their pockets anyway. On the people, and both do not care. However, the hope remains that in fulfilling the requirements of the EU, the government will have to accept unpopular laws - an increase in prices for the population. And here the population will howl against everyone. Simply, even taking into account the reasoning of people that we do not need to go to Europe, for the majority it is an abstraction. It's a paradox, but people think: "Europe is far away, well, they will accept it somewhere ..." At the same time, many zombified people think that it is better "anyone, just not Russia."
      1. domokl
        domokl 19 March 2013 14: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        . And here the population will howl against everyone.
        A sad prospect for Ukraine ... A civil war or disobedience there is always sad ... Does the desire to become non-Russian put such pressure on the brain that politicians are ready to push people into a fratricidal massacre? But even a completely ignorant person understands that such measures are direct and quick the path to the collapse of the country into Russian Ukraine, Polish Ukraine and independent Crimea ...
    2. avt
      avt 19 March 2013 09: 26 New
      +8
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      It turns out that the ruling elite of Ukraine voluntarily go and lead their people to the scaffold? So do you miss anyone?

      Here, perhaps even more vile, it would be funny, but painfully sad. Here Yanukovych is like a king in an "Ordinary Miracle" - ..... his wife was strangled with him, and he stood nearby and said be patient, maybe it will cost .... "So say after that that the classics were wrong, claiming that there is no crime for which the capitalist will not go with 300% profit. In general, it is a logical conclusion to the Maidan, we got exactly what they wanted -Europu.
    3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 19 March 2013 09: 35 New
      0
      Yes, and even gay minorities are happy, everything is like in Europe !!!
  3. alexng
    alexng 19 March 2013 08: 15 New
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    Well, the moment of truth has come. Zapadeltsev so zatratil and lousy anti-Russian map that did not notice how to push the head of Ukraine into the noose. Congratulations on losing your sovereignty and becoming a colony of the West. Hurray, gentlemen, nationalists. You have already been ruined by the gentlemen of Bandera, the EU, only the funeral has not taken place. Congratulations on your voluntary suicide. You succeeded, what Hitler failed - you destroyed Urain as a sovereign state.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 19 March 2013 08: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: alexneg
      You destroyed Uraine as a sovereign state.

      And remember how they shouted in a voice: Samostiina! Independent! at least go there and personally beat your face. Everyone urgently for a referendum !!! To declare distrust (empathy, or whatever, in bourgeois style) of the government, all resign to the damn mother, apply the article on high treason (if any).
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 19 March 2013 09: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        Everyone urgently for a referendum !!! To declare distrust (empathy or whatever it is in bourgeois style) to the government, all resign


        Well, our opposition is now seeking this! am But in case of victory they will run to Europe even faster. am
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 19 March 2013 12: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Strezhevchanin
          ! To declare distrust (empathy, or whatever, in bourgeois style) the government, all resign to the damn mother,

          And in the geyrop, they say rebellion, revolution and introduce a military contingent to pacify. So hawala then your independence, do not choke, gentlemen Russophobia. am
      2. botur
        botur 19 March 2013 15: 37 New
        +2
        I so wanted to be non-square, now they have received nothing from ordinary people.
    2. Genur
      Genur 19 March 2013 14: 25 New
      +2
      If Russia has already imposed all sorts of GMOs, one can imagine what the agriculture of Ukraine will turn into. Got Game! They don’t think about descendants.
    3. domokl
      domokl 19 March 2013 14: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: alexneg
      Congratulations on the loss of sovereignty and becoming a colony of the West.
      And to them and to us these congratulations oh how to backfire ... We get under the belly a barrel of gasoline on which a drunk man sits and smokes a pipe while biting tsybuli and bacon ... And no one knows whether it will explode or not explode
  4. Garrin
    Garrin 19 March 2013 08: 19 New
    11
    I read the article, and in my head, except for the mat, only one word. Suicides!
  5. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 19 March 2013 08: 19 New
    +5
    they are wondering about something at the expense of the European Union ... they cannot understand, they are not needed there, and if we continue to stand in the anus, we will send them to hell
    1. Goga
      Goga 19 March 2013 08: 56 New
      10
      sasha 19871987 - Yes, that's the trouble Alexander, that - quote - "... and we will send them to hell ..." - we will not send "them", and "there are no" them "- this is just a part of" nas "(with the exception of Svidomo) - and smaih yourself how and where you will send?
      This "South Russian cunning" - attempts to bargain - the Europeans are blackmailed by rapprochement with Russia, Russia is blackmailed by rapprochement with Europe, as a result, instead of benefits, they receive complete contempt on both sides. So the matter may well come to the collapse of Ukraine - only these "figures" are closer to their petty interests, who work out "grants" from across the hill, who breaks through the interests of local owners for a handout, but they do not care about their common ... request
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 19 March 2013 09: 11 New
        10
        Quote: Gogh
        So the case may well reach the collapse of Ukraine

        Quite. "Independence is local nationalism + Mexicanization of the whole country" I will explain. "The trajectory of Mexico's development in the past half century is largely reminiscent of the history of the late USSR and the post-Soviet space. Having survived the revolution in 1917, Mexico, starting in the 1920s, tried to build an independent economy, largely using" left "recipes. In parallel, debt grew: government and business, believing that high oil prices and low interest rates are forever, willingly and borrowed a lot. However, in the 80s oil prices collapsed, and the country went into a debt hole and an economic crisis. In 1982, Mexico announced default.
        The "way out" was found in neoliberal reforms and accelerated integration with the United States and Canada. In 1994, the country entered the North American Free Trade Area (NAFTA). The positive result was the rapid growth of the maquiladoras - primitive assembly plants that had the right to import duty-free components. The negative is the rapid growth of agricultural imports from the United States. The result was a decline in Mexican agriculture and an increase in unemployment. The hopes of Mexicans to lift restrictions on entry to the United States remained hopes. As a result, hemp grew in the fields instead of liberalized crops, and the number of people wishing to try themselves as drug couriers, drug dealers or drug mafia fighters increased exponentially. Overall, Mexico is a perfect example of this. This leads to an attempt of an economically weak country to tightly integrate with the leaders of the world economy without specific "bonuses" that were received, for example, by Eastern European countries upon joining the EU (for example, Poland in 2014-2020 alone should receive $ 96 billion from the EU budget). euros, in 2004-2011 it was received 67 billion) This example is all the more indicative because in the western hemisphere there is an illustration of the prospects for an alternative path. The "union of equals" (MERCOSUR) around Brazil has indeed contributed to the development and modernization of Latin American economies; at the same time, the South Americans quite deliberately blocked the attempts of the States to extend the NAFTA standards to the south within the framework of the unsuccessful ALCA unification. Ukraine is much poorer than Mexico, its industry is in a much worse condition (for example, the Ukrainian car industry is "less" than Mexican almost thirty times, and production continues shrink). The timeliness of the "event" is much more doubtful - if Mexico integrated with the very prosperous US of the 1990s, then Ukraine - with the EU falling into recession and debt crisis. The country's trade balance with the European Union is already negative, and the deficit is growing, pulling Ukraine deeper into a debt hole. The creation of a free trade zone will only aggravate the situation. The prospects for such "European integration" are obvious. Now the country is rapidly drifting towards an agrarian and raw material status, and the creation of a free trade zone with the EU will radically accelerate this process. Kiev successfully acts as the gravedigger of its own economy, and the social consequences of this are not difficult to predict. The country will face massive unemployment, a systemic political crisis, a surge in crime and transformation into a source of massive illegal immigration. From this, among other things, it follows that the long-expected visa-free regime with the EU in Ukraine will in fact turn into a Mexican version - the European Union is already dragging out the discussion of this issue. The European Way really leads Kiev to the west - the problem is that not only Europe is located to the west of Ukraine. There is also Ciudad Juarez.
        http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1636581.html#ixzz2NxXwaXwV
        1. xan
          xan 19 March 2013 09: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: Kaa
          Now the country is quite rapidly drifting to agricultural status,

          add tourism here - and for some Ukrainian patriots this is what it takes - environmentally friendly Ukraine with high-tech agricultural production capable of feeding 300 million mouths
          you can add the financial sector, now it’s fashionable
          1. washi
            washi 19 March 2013 23: 16 New
            +1
            if shale gas development begins, then ecology will no longer exist.
      2. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 19 March 2013 09: 21 New
        +6
        Quote: Gogh
        as a result, instead of benefits, they get full contempt on both sides.

        Yes, only from the EU’s side you won’t turn back, a complete or almost complete break with Russia is ensured, which is what the West and the USA are striving for. If this happens, then there will be no return.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 19 March 2013 11: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: Gogh
        as a result, instead of benefits, they get full contempt on both sides.

        Igor, hi ! A situevina is similar to a Rubik's cube that has fallen into crooked pens, as it is not twisted and the complete picture is not received, and if you manage to fold one side, then they simply don’t see the others:
        Rubik's Cube
        1. Goga
          Goga 19 March 2013 15: 23 New
          14
          Tersky - Greetings, Victor! - quote - "... one side, then the others simply do not see ..." - I would even say they do not want to see.
          I remember my long-standing conversation, in 1995 - we were driving from Kharkov to Ternopil, the way was not close, the time was - we got into a conversation - my interlocutor with a higher humanitarian - a historian, age - over 40. And now he did not say, rolling his eyes, but just sang - now, without Moscow and the Bolsheviks, we (that is, Ukraine) will live like France ... - ??? To my remark that “there’s not enough for everyone” and then France will have to live like Ukraine, but they will not like it, my interlocutor just blinked, explaining to him in more detail, about the golden billion, about Brazil, which has never had either Muscovites or Communists , but she still does not live "like the USA" and I can see from the eyes he knows all this without me, but he so much likes the fairy tale about "like France" that he simply does not want to perceive any reasonable arguments. Many years have passed, the fairy tale has certainly not come true, but few people are capable of admitting their own stupidity, and it seems to me that these guys are pulling away from us simply because, at least, they lack the spirit to admit their more than twenty years of stupidity ... request
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 19 March 2013 15: 57 New
            +6
            Quote: Gogh
            And so he rolled his eyes did not say

            Igor, it’s not otherwise that your fellow traveler at that moment did not know one common truth - "If you see the light at the end of the tunnel, do not be particularly happy ... Perhaps it is a train." laughing Actually, now remembering the muddy 90s, and others like them, the fireworks of saliva about the "self-sufficiency" of the republics, I am once again convinced that we don’t stand a damn thing without each other ... As they say in street slang - only show-off ...
            1. Gari
              Gari 19 March 2013 16: 15 New
              +4
              The meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine after long days of blocking began traditionally with a fight. The meeting began with a speech by the head of the parliamentary faction of the Party of Regions, Alexander Efremov, who spoke Russian. The opposition accompanied his speech with shouts of "Speak Ukrainian!" and "Ganba!"
              And people really feel sorry everywhere throughout the country of the former USSR
            2. xan
              xan 21 March 2013 18: 10 New
              0
              Quote: Tersky
              once again I’m convinced that we’re not worth a damn without each other.

              it soon became clear who was worth what
      4. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 19 March 2013 16: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: Gogh
        So the case may well reach the collapse of Ukraine

        Yes, nothing will fall apart, Europe will put Ukraine on a leash and drag it along with it. In Ukraine, there is a terrible infantilism among the Russian-speaking population, they are being driven to slaughter, and they are silent, except for a small fraction of the population. How aggressive are the Westerners in their European direction, so much the rest dozzzy, in principle, my hut from the edge, not one serious action in support of the Russian language and the eastern direction of the country's development. This is not to say that people don’t understand what the final will be, they have already explained a million times, and on their fingers and on television, radio, the Internet, how Europe will end for them and what opportunities the TS provides, people are sleeping darker and tormented by vague doubts whether he, someday and whether it will not be too late to fix something.
  6. Gazai
    Gazai 19 March 2013 08: 19 New
    +6
    The people of Ukraine are sorry !!!!!!!! Something their pans fanned out !!!!! Is this really the end? After all, you are being driven into bondage !!! The Slavs think finally !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 08: 35 New
      +9
      Quote: Gazai
      The people of Ukraine are sorry !!!

      Quote: Gazai
      After all, you are being driven into bondage !!

      Quote: Gazai
      Slavs think finally !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      The people of Ukraine are sitting and waiting for something. It’s much more interesting to watch talk about Svanidze and Shustrom. If you want to live in the EU, let them go outside, do polls in social networks to reach Yanek. They don’t sit and talk, but wherever we go, where it is more profitable for us. Tired already, more than 20 years have passed and everyone can not figure out where to go.
      1. Genur
        Genur 19 March 2013 16: 10 New
        +1
        If Khokh doesn’t outsmart himself, he is not a crest.
      2. xan
        xan 21 March 2013 18: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Tired already, more than 20 years have passed and everyone can not figure out where to go.

        from one Ukrainian forum - Ukrainians have never missed and will not miss their chance to miss their chance
  7. Kaa
    Kaa 19 March 2013 08: 37 New
    +9
    I put a minus to the article right away, and not because I did not like it, but for the one-sided presentation of information. In Ukraine, there is a complex breakdown of the mental notions of self-sufficiency as a "multi-vector" state. This attempt, obviously to everyone, has failed. It is in many ways reminiscent of the events of 1651-1654, when, having won independence, the then elite rushed between the impossibility to exist in isolation from neighbors and forced to look for patrons in the person of Poland, then Turkey, then Sweden, and finally Russia, and these rushes ended only after more than 100 years. It is difficult to accept that the omnipotence today should be replaced with the cession of a part of the rights, either to the EU or the CU. And the recent throwing of Lukashenka, they were not there? According to the principle of Roman law "let the other side be heard as well" ...
    "President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych instructed the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade to develop a medium-term program of cooperation between Ukraine and the countries of the Customs Union until July. This is discussed in the National Action Plan for 2013 from the implementation of the program of economic reforms" Wealthy Society, Competitive Economy, Effective State ", approved by the decree of the President of Ukraine No. 128 of March 12, 2013. The month of June is defined in the document as the final date for the development of the program. "To develop a program of cooperation between Ukraine and the states of the Customs Union: the Republic of Belarus, the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation for the medium term," the document says . As UNIAN reported earlier, on December 13, 2012, V. Yanukovych said that Ukraine should join some of the provisions of the Customs Union. On January 16, 2013, V. Yanukovych said at a press conference on March 14 that gas negotiations with Russia were separated from negotiations on cooperation Ukraine with the Customs Union of the Russian Federation, Belarus and Kazakhstan. The Minister of Economic Development of Ukraine Igor Prasolov said on March 15 that the issue of granting Ukraine the status of an associate member in the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan is not being discussed at the moment.http: //www.unian.ua/news/559995-yanukovich-vimagae-progra
    mu-spivprat
    si-z-mitnim-soyuzom.html
    "The gas transportation consortium for two - the Russian Federation and Ukraine - it seems that the issue has been resolved - Europe did not want to take any steps to help its companies (and those who wanted to) enter this alliance," the Ukrainian newspaper Segodnya writes today, March 18. "So, despite the recent statement by the president that we expect the participation of an EU company in this joint venture, it will be created on a parity basis only by two companies - Neftegaz and Gazprom - in the next three months," a source close to the president told the publication. It was in 2003-2004, when the topic of the consortium surfaced for the first time, that the Kremlin agreed to a tripartite agreement. In the past two years, his position has remained unchanged: either an agreement between two, or no joint venture.
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1637109.html#ixzz2NxOInANT
    Ukrainian politicians understand perfectly well that nothing shines in the EU, but "throwing yourself into the pool" at once is not suicide. The best option is to enter the TS "step by step", otherwise the Yugoslavian option is possible.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 08: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: Kaa
      In Ukraine, there is a complex breakdown of mental ideas about self-sufficiency as a "multi-vector" state

      Kaa, well, I’m begging you, 22 years have already passed, well, then somewhere further.
      Quote: Kaa
      President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych instructed the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade to develop a medium-term cooperation program between Ukraine and the countries of the Customs Union by July.

      when signing with the EU, everything that he said there will fly into the pipe, they speak directly about it and Putin says, it will be so and gives concrete figures of what Ukraine will lose and what it can gain if it joins the TS. Everything else is idle talk for voters.
      Quote: Kaa
      A gas transport consortium for two - Russia and Ukraine - it seems the issue has been resolved

      If they enter G under the name MOP EU, then everything will be covered with a copper basin, Russia also has interests.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 19 March 2013 09: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Kaa, well, I beg you, 22 years have already passed, well, then somewhere further

        Alexander, what are 22 years old !!!! Look from what this patchwork was blinded in the 20th century, here is the ethnic map of 1897, with the surrounding areas, what a common Ukrainian idea might be ... who is in the woods, who is for firewood ... if not for that, no oligarchs would heads would not be fooled ... there is no concept of a common national and state idea! And there was ... Click-read.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 10: 11 New
          +9
          Quote: Kaa
          Look from what this patchwork was blinded in the 20th century, here is the ethnic map of 1897, with the surrounding areas, what a common Ukrainian idea could be.

          And Russia from which is stuck together? We are going somewhere slowly and don’t rush from corner to corner. If on TV every day they will argue for the CU and cons of the EU, more than one politician will not drag you there!
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 19 March 2013 13: 14 New
            +1
            Russia, oddly enough, is much more homogeneous, in addition, the Russians have the realization that "we are Russians, and in Europe they are Europeans, and if not an enemy now, then at least a competitor, and they will not feed us." Ukraine, on the other hand, presupposes only denial, but if Ukraine is not Russia, then it does not become Europe anyway.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 19 March 2013 15: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And Russia from which is stuck together?

            It is that which is not molded, but created.
            In the history of Ukrainian statehood, the creation process has curtailed at a small point dated July 16.07.1990, XNUMX.
        2. Nesvet Nezar
          Nesvet Nezar 21 March 2013 06: 56 New
          0
          This is not a map, but sketches of a minor Bendera. Where are the Serbs and Greeks populated by Catherine and the kings after her?
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 19 March 2013 09: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If they enter G under the name of the SS of the EU, then everything will be covered with a copper basin, Russia also has interests.

        Yes, everyone understands the whole game, do not believe the Ukrainian media - read the British opinion:
        “The latest events in Ukraine, in particular, and new accusations against Yulia Tymoshenko, create the impression that [b] the Ukrainian authorities want to disrupt the summit with the EU,” British researcher of Ukrainian history and contemporary politics Andrew Wilson said in an interview with the Ukrainian Times. ]
        “One of the Ukrainian magazines somehow even drew up a table of previous EU-Ukraine summits, and how the Ukrainian side actually tried to sabotage almost every meeting. Maybe not everyone in the Ukrainian government wants this, maybe just a separate group, but recently we saw new charges against Tymoshenko in organizing the murder of Yevgeny Shcherban, which has become an additional factor that reinforces doubts about the summit, ”he said. [b] In addition, the expert believes that Brussels is not looking forward to a summit with Ukraine as such [/ b].
        The expert added that Moldova has achieved the greatest development, but there are big doubts as to whether Chisinau will be able to conclude an association agreement or a free trade zone without Transnistria. “By this I want to say that when it is impossible to succeed with Georgia and Moldova, maybe the EU will try to be more lenient when it comes to Ukraine,” the political scientist said. He also told Ukrainian News that European politicians are striving to show at least some success: “They want some of the six countries of the Eastern Partnership to boast that they are moving forward, that there is at least something positive that can be to note at the summit in Vilnius in November this year. "
        [b] “But, obviously, in Brussels they feel that Kiev is fooling their heads,” [/ b], ”Wilson said. In addition, he believes that the EU today is very annoyed by the unfulfilled promises of Viktor Yanukovych. “Yanukovych repeatedly in various situations hinted at a willingness to compromise and did not. Therefore, some leading EU politicians are disappointed and annoyed on a personal level, ”said Wilson. When asked if Yanukovych wants to intentionally ruin his reputation in Brussels, the expert replied: “No, he just does not understand how the European Union works.” “He believes that the real balance of power will decide everything and the EU makes only empty statements in the Tymoshenko case and other human rights cases. He does not believe in it. He expects that the most important is Realpolitik, but in fact the EU really believes in some of what it is proclaiming. Therefore, his modus operandi pushes him the other way, ”said Wilson.
        . As reported, the European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighborhood Policy Stefan Fule during his visit to Ukraine criticized the Ukrainian authorities for insufficient reform efforts and warned - [b] if the association agreement is not signed in November, this process may be postponed until 2016 [/ b http://focus.ua/politics/261123/
      3. Gari
        Gari 19 March 2013 11: 38 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Kaa, well, I’m begging you, 22 years have already passed, well, then somewhere further.

        At the end of the 80s, I don’t remember exactly when I went to Western Ukraine, I can’t forget beautiful places, hospitable people, but I can’t forget that I was warned not to speak Russian in transport ?!
        (And who should I speak there then?) - where such nationalism hit, they didn’t even see it, but despised it, even reaching what I didn’t see, they all considered themselves to be Bandera.
        as I asked the granny whom I was staying with, they say they lived at the occupation and you know what she said, they say that we lived well with the Germans, we were paid in marks, who wanted to go to work in Germany, there were absolutely no crimes, theft, there was order, and occupation began when the Soviets came, and robberies, famine, exile to Siberia, etc. began .--------------
        If you say that I was shocked, mean nothing to say
        I grew up in such an international city, I could not understand, grew up on our ideals of the Victory of our Red Army over fascism, that the USSR was the best country and now I was even more convinced of this
    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 19 March 2013 09: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: Kaa
      "President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych instructed the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade to develop a medium-term program of cooperation between Ukraine and the countries of the Customs Union by July. This is discussed in the National Action Plan for 2013.

      The glass can be seen half full, or it can be half empty. There is nothing new in this wording. There is still no question of joining the Customs Union. Only about "cooperation". These are all the same "3 + 1". We will join the convenient provisions of the TS, like, but not with the rest. Reminds of maneuvers to preserve the market, which will, in many ways, be lost if Ukraine signs an Association with the EU. Lost, I note, not because of someone's ill will, but for objective economic reasons.

      Also with the gas consortium. There was a time offered for three. Then for two. But now, after all, money is invested in flows. Who guarantees that Europe will increase consumption so much that the Ukrainian GTS will be more loaded after the launch of the southern stream?

      Politics is not only the art of the possible. These are also decisions made on time.
      1. Ostanin
        Ostanin 19 March 2013 09: 45 New
        +3
        do not want to accept them in 3 + 1 format. Ukraine will not be able to sit on two chairs. "Our Ukrainian friends are very fond of speculating on the subject of joining" three plus one "and so on. This does not happen. Either all, or nothing, but then this is an observation or something else," Medvedev said. "For full participation, ratification and signing of all documents are required," the prime minister emphasized once again.


        РИА Новости http://ria.ru/economy/20130318/927792940.html#ixzz2NxgG3f59
    3. Avenger711
      Avenger711 19 March 2013 13: 10 New
      +1
      How is patron search aligned with independence? Khmelnitsky did not fight for independence, but for his personal grievances, the Polish regime suited him. However, I had to save my head and ask the people. At the same time, there was no talk of any independence or autonomy, Muscovite Russia in this regard is generally a totalitarian state. All the next 100 years, this is not a struggle of the people, its tsarist government arranged much more than a pans, but the antics of local hetmans who wanted to become shtetl churches. Everything ceased only when Ekaterna II gave so many rights and liberties to them, together with the entire nobility, that it could not be swallowed.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 19 March 2013 13: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Avenger711
        Ekaterna II gave them so many rights and liberties

        Somehow you have mixed up quite badly. I hope that the period of Khmelnitsky is still to be studied independently, it is worth it.

        After the reunion, the hetman was ruled independently by analogy with other Cossack regions of Russia. The Hetman foreman insisted that there should be not only Russian laws, but also Polish, as well as Lithuanian statute and Magdeburg law. This led to the fact that the foreman deprived of land, robbed not only the peasantry, but also the ordinary Cossacks. Because the courts for pennies interpreted the rich side as necessary according to the appropriate law. This was accompanied by continuous complaints of lawlessness in St. Petersburg. As a result, Catherine II sent a Teplov commission to the hetman, which came to the conclusion that it was necessary to eliminate the hetman. After that, everything became in order with the laws.

        It was also fun with the nobility there. Bohdan Khmelnytsky drove all the nobility to Poland, because the gentry betrayed Orthodoxy and became Catholic. They converted to Catholicism due to the fact that the Orthodox in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth were deprived of political rights, the Russian language was banned (the local language), the Orthodox Church was banned (before Vladislav), and many others. The main estate in the hetmanate was the Cossacks. However, upon reunification, it turned out that in Russia the nobles are more important. The hetman elite had to urgently retrain as noblemen, for this it was necessary to find suitable relatives. So, for example, a descendant of the priests Yanovsky became a nobleman Gogol. Actually, "Aeneid" by Kotlyarevsky is about it.
  8. valokordin
    valokordin 19 March 2013 08: 54 New
    +4
    Yes, the article is a bit biased, I also think Yanukovych is not a suicide, but he is moving away from Russia and not because he is afraid of losing independence, he probably does not believe that he will not be deceived. Take a look at how Lukashenko’s arms are bent and twisted, remember the president’s expression about flies and cutlets. If the Old Man agreed with all the proposals of Moscow, our thieves oligarchs gobbled him up with bones. And yet how it doesn’t work to rate the article or the comments there is immediately a reset to the top of the page. Maybe someone will advise what to do
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 19 March 2013 10: 42 New
      +1
      I have the same thing, they regulated the site, so they regulated !!! And shelters ... you (no offense, the great-grandfather of hoh / ol himself) must decide for themselves, although it seems to me there, as the liquidationists rule us, so everything under the big question Yanek looks like a \\ Zionist , well, purely \\ Zionist !!!
    2. Cpa
      Cpa 19 March 2013 10: 57 New
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      Maybe someone will advise what to do

      Click stop downloading, a cross, I mean. It helps me. hi
    3. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 19 March 2013 12: 24 New
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      Maybe someone will advise what to do

      Quote: KPA
      Click stop downloading, a cross, I mean. It helps me

      reloading the page also helps.
    4. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 19 March 2013 12: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: valokordin
      If the Old Man agreed with all the proposals of Moscow,

      And no one attaches importance to this! The AGREEMENT is not a sentence; here it is necessary to present and defend their interests and seek a compromise.
      Sorry that I recall the truth.
  9. andrejwz
    andrejwz 19 March 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    For independence everywhere and always fought. So our kings (Boriska and others like him) fought for independence from the federal center and, like the final chord, in Belovezhskaya Pushcha they and their entourage taught their personal independence. When you fight for something, you know what to do with it. The people, in particular in Ukraine, have broken their minds on how to manage this very independence. In and listens to the euphorbia and the whooper. Do not listen, but go to the roof to repair the hut.
    1. SCS
      SCS 19 March 2013 09: 28 New
      +4
      that's it! kings gained independence, and who needs it !? people asked anyone? and it’s not clear from whom independence !? apart such nonsense is being screwed into the ears of people .... they also came up with holidays (Independence Day) .... in almost every republic there is a CIS.
      and the leadership of Russia has many questions, but in general, the situation is critical, but the steps of the leadership of Ukraine are not clear! Recruited? may be. Not decided? How much can be determined. bad strategists? ......... Afraid of losing independence? and from whom? because we are one people !!!!
  10. afire
    afire 19 March 2013 09: 04 New
    +1
    but in fact, NATO has expanded the border with us ....
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 19 March 2013 11: 05 New
      0
      Yes guys, you’ll have to put atomic mines on the border to stop ukrov when they, together with NATO, run to attack us, hurry! and kerdyk !!!
  11. 123dv
    123dv 19 March 2013 09: 18 New
    +4
    Guys, thunder struck not yesterday and not today.
    Ukraine is slowly but steadily falling off throughout the post-Soviet years. It is obvious. And current gestures are completely natural, as quite stable energy is acquired in the TU direction.
    Where does it all go, and what will it all lead to in the end?
    It’s not an hour, as part of coalition forces, the Ukrainian units will attack our western borders already in the distant 2020s.
    What is the ending in this case - historical experience tells us - Ukraine will be freed the advancing Russian units not long after the outbreak of hostilities ... Well, and, further on in the song .....
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 19 March 2013 10: 59 New
      -3
      Quote: 123dv
      Ukraine will be liberated by advancing Russian units

      From whom ???
      1. 123dv
        123dv 19 March 2013 12: 21 New
        +2
        Everything is simple, the word is freed, in the text italicized and emphasized. You can substitute the right word of your choice. For example: occupied, captured, defeated, recaptured from NATO, freed, and so on and so forth ...
        In short, it will be released, and after that it will become part of the CONFIDERATION.
        That is what the current Customs Union will be called by that time.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 19 March 2013 15: 17 New
          -8
          Quote: 123dv
          CONFIDERATION

          that is not ... it has always been called an empire, which is what you strive for.
          Let me remind you ... all empires ended badly
          1. 123dv
            123dv 19 March 2013 15: 34 New
            +4
            EVERYTHING ends badly.
            Even the elephant will die, but the mouse has time to die during the life of the elephant 50 (fifty) times.
            Feel the difference.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 19 March 2013 17: 34 New
              -3
              From comparison ... I'm just in shock.
              Didn’t come up with anything smarter?
              For example, Switzerland ... even though it’s small, but it doesn’t seem like a mouse
      2. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 19 March 2013 12: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Skavron
        From whom ???

        From everyone and everything.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 19 March 2013 15: 17 New
          0
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          From everyone and everything.

          those. turn into a scorched desert?
          thanks brothers ...
          1. 123dv
            123dv 19 March 2013 16: 06 New
            +2
            Don’t worry so much.
            You will meet with flowers, as it should be.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 19 March 2013 17: 35 New
              -3
              Nazis also met with flowers some
              recall what happened then?
              1. 123dv
                123dv 19 March 2013 18: 30 New
                +1
                Why are you so excited?
                He dumped everything into a bunch, damn it.
                Let's tighten up, do it yourself! We are only FOR !!!
                Then nothing of the kind will happen. But for now, forgive me, dear, everything is heading towards such a situation.
                1. Skavron
                  Skavron 19 March 2013 21: 49 New
                  0
                  yes i'm calm like a tank
                  I just don’t threaten neighboring countries with occupation
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 19 March 2013 12: 41 New
      0
      Quote: 123dv
      Ukraine will be liberated by the advancing Russian


      those. occupied again?

      so maybe you don’t have to wait?
      1. 123dv
        123dv 19 March 2013 12: 47 New
        +3
        Evil, like all fruits in nature, must ripen.
        Premature plucking of fruits is not constructive.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 19 March 2013 15: 16 New
          -5
          Dear, I propose first to liberate Russia from zas..tsev ... Liberators ...
  12. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 19 March 2013 09: 28 New
    +5
    Finland inherited the railway gauge from the Russian Empire ... it is the same as ours now !!! They really fucked ... did they? belay
  13. Egoza
    Egoza 19 March 2013 09: 28 New
    +2
    Yanukovych is primarily afraid of a civil war in Ukraine, and this can happen if you immediately send the EU and declare entry into the CU.
    Don't forget about Galicia and the growing popularity of Svoboda, which at least have a clear ideology. With reasonable behavior, federalization might be possible. But again, in such a scenario, Galicia may find itself in the "center", surrounded by those subjects who, to put it mildly, "do not love". Those. - the eastern part is behind the CU, the central part is back and forth, Galicia is for the EU, the Rusyns are for the CU ...
    Further, there is certainly a fear that the Russian oligarchs will devour our oligarchs, namely the latter are the leaders of all parties.
    But let's see what will happen in the next half year. We will not have time to enter the EU, but it will fall apart into separate principalities - completely. And God grant a little blood!
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 19 March 2013 10: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      Yanukovych is primarily afraid of a civil war in Ukraine, and such may happen

      war can begin if the population has weapons, and the population of Ukraine does not have weapons for war, and no one will give them. it’s not Syria or Libya. and NATO will not dare bomb Ukraine if Yanukovych even openly sends the EU three letters, then I’ll love Russia will stand up for Ukraine.
      I’m just wondering how much the ordinary Ukrainian will hit the wallet, all these moves with the EU. If people abruptly become impoverished as it happened in Russia in 91-93 when inflation reached 2000-700% a year, then people may come out with sticks against Riot police of Ukraine, and if the population losses amount to several hryvnias, then nothing will happen, they will mutter and shut up.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 19 March 2013 12: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: djon3volta
        war can begin if the population has weapons,


        But this cannot be stated unequivocally. The memory is for sure. We also had investigations, when during the disbandment of the military unit, a whole warehouse with machine guns and other ammunition disappeared. No results! In addition, now to make a bomb or something else, an incendiary thread is not a problem, see tyrnet. Yes, a lot of things "if desired" can be adapted, especially against the unarmed population.
    2. Skavron
      Skavron 19 March 2013 10: 58 New
      +2
      just federalization would solve many problems ... starting with the language and the translation of the clock and ending with tax revenues
    3. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 19 March 2013 11: 06 New
      +3
      The rat warriors of the bourgeois in power and divorced from power for the "happiness of the Ukrainian people", the people have long been fed up. Like insomnia of oppositionist Yatsenyuk for the fate of Ukraine, which is being plundered without his participation. Communist Symonenko, with his chest and other body parts protecting the criminal-oligarchic capital of the "family". Opposition leaders calling to take to the streets and topple the "boor" and his bandit power from the throne, but not from underground and tough conspiracy, but from cool limousines guarded by security officials.
      The wrong "ghost" is wandering around to provoke a revolutionary situation and mobilize the people. The wrong leaders. There are few real violent ones, so there are no leaders. The EU does not expect Ukraine in the near future. It was clearly said in Europe. Even the protégé of Poland has moved away from complicity. Not a sales dream and empty fuss with imitation of movement.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 19 March 2013 11: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        The wrong "ghost" is wandering around to provoke a revolutionary situation and mobilize the people. The wrong leaders.

        and nothing to add
        1. knn54
          knn54 19 March 2013 13: 07 New
          +3
          We don’t have our own Old Man and, unfortunately, will not appear soon. It’s hard for people in a country where one half celebrates May 9 and the second honors fascist henchmen.
          1. Strezhevchanin
            Strezhevchanin 19 March 2013 16: 31 New
            0
            By the way, I found a video here, so Dugin is called a fascist! Guess what statements?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqBxiqxHuTw
    4. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 19 March 2013 12: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: Egoza
      primarily fears of a civil war in Ukraine,


      I want to hope that this is so!
  14. valokordin
    valokordin 19 March 2013 09: 36 New
    +3
    He’s not afraid of the Civil War, she’s already going in a sluggish mode. Putin was not afraid of the heyday of separatism in the south and crushed, although not completely, nevertheless. And Yanukovych needs to put the case so-crush Bandera in the bud.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 March 2013 09: 55 New
      +1
      Today, two sociological companies immediately issued the results of polls on the presidential race. Both at KIIS and at the Razumkov Center, the current president remains the most popular politician. According to the Umazkovtsev’s data, Viktor Yanukovych is gaining 29,2% of the vote among those who are ready to go to the polls and decide on the candidate, his closest pursuer is Vitaliy Klichko (20,6%), Arseniy Yatsenyuk (16,2%) is in third place, followed by Oleg Tyagnibok (9,5%), Petro Symonenko (6,9%) closes the top five. KIIS has the same five, but the numbers are different: Yanukovych - 32,8%, Klitschko - 24,2%, Yatsenyuk - 19,1%, Tyagnibok - 10,4%, Simonenko - 8,1%.
      In addition to these statistics, KIIS also submits an option with Yulia Tymoshenko participating in the elections; the ex-prime minister is gaining 17%, while Yatsenyuk’s rating is sagging by 8,5%, Klitschko by 3%, Tyagnibok by 2%, one and a half percent is lost by Yanukovych and half a percent Simonenko.
      The situation with modeling the second round is completely different: here, according to KIIS, the current president loses to all competitors except Oleg Tyagnibok. At the same time, the gap between Yanukovych and Klitschko is 21%, from Yatsenyuk - 9%, from Tymoshenko - 1,4%, and the president bypasses Tyagnibok by 6%.
      It is worth noting that Yanukovych is the first president during the polls, who three years after moving to Bankova remains the most popular politician. So, according to the Razumkov Center, Viktor Yushchenko at the beginning of 2008, three years after the inauguration with a rating of 15,7%, was in third place, behind Yanukovych (24,8%) and Yulia Tymoshenko (28,2%).
      http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/Timoshenko-na-svobode-ubet-reyting-YAcenyuka.html


      xxxxxx
      Quote: valokordin
      Putin was not afraid of the heyday of separatism in the south and crushed, although not completely, nevertheless. And Yanukovych needs to put the case so-crush Bandera in the bud.

      So after all, there is not enough strength for decisive action. Yes, and Banderlog spread all over Ukraine, each region has its own "caches" - there are cells. if you touch it in one place, they will rise in all the nooks! The genie was released from the bottle! am
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 19 March 2013 10: 56 New
        10
        aha ... Vitali Klitschko went to the USA to demand sanctions for Ukraine ... such a dead rotten animal should be hung prelude on the Maidan ...
        and this is going to run for president ... rat
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 19 March 2013 12: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Skavron
          Vitali Klitschko went to the USA to demand sanctions for Ukraine ..

          Oh, don't tell me! I see that the further, the more vividly the "blood of ancestors" and "cunning" are manifested (I ask the Jews not to be offended, every nation has such).
          While Yatsenyuk and Tyagnibok are drifting through snow and blizzard laughing organized paid protest rallies. Vitalik rushed to the US and EU countries. Agreed (and I think so, not only about sanctions, but also about financial support for oneself). And this is fraught - some of the voters will bribe, and some will vote for him, because "he is handsome" (from a youth survey) request
          1. Skavron
            Skavron 19 March 2013 15: 21 New
            +4
            he is even worse than tyagnibok ... he’s at least ideological, albeit a bastard, but it’s awesome ... but what was the boxer like ... until he got into it.
            I sharply respected Vakarchuk after he abandoned the deputy and called the Ukrainian politician his real name. But what was an ardent supporter of Yushchenko in 2004?
            1. alex13-61
              alex13-61 19 March 2013 21: 58 New
              0
              and even as a boxer (although he had not yet ceased to be one), he was not particularly scrupulous ... I remember how, at the beginning of his career, Omelchenko (the then mayor of Kiev) dragged him in his arms, after another "peremogi" ... and how he then thanked him, during the election campaign ... he poured mud ...
        2. abc_alex
          abc_alex 19 March 2013 16: 07 New
          +1
          So you were lucky to get your own rot. It’s easier for us, at least our faces can be filled. :)
      2. djon3volta
        djon3volta 19 March 2013 10: 59 New
        +7
        30-32% of Yanukovych is not enough for confidence in his power .. but is it dangerous that a boxer has 20%? I can’t imagine the president of the boxer))) he’s full of politics fool decrees will be palmed off to him and he will sign them, probably almost all the brains have been beaten out, what will he do with the country then ???
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 19 March 2013 11: 27 New
          +1
          my comment above ... is already doing
        2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 March 2013 12: 26 New
          +1
          One of not many adequate comments of yours, put plus ++++++ No offense, nothing personal ......
          1. Skavron
            Skavron 19 March 2013 15: 22 New
            0
            Quote: NOBODY BUT US
            No offense, nothing personal ......

            yes no problem) what are the grievances on the network?
            really look inadequate? laughing
            Everything ... change the psychologist ... laughing
        3. Cpa
          Cpa 19 March 2013 13: 03 New
          +1
          He will be given the necessary advisers.
  15. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 19 March 2013 09: 37 New
    +8
    And what? I drink it myself, I go for a walk myself and I get peanuts!
    Fat milk to sell butter IN THE MARKET - not a slap! And from under the floors? And so = with delivery to the hut? Don’t get us out to take us to ourselves, then we’ll punch the crane up to their pipe! You can’t buti shob h.o.kh.o.l not having got the thieves.

    That's probably what many Ukrainians think.

    Well, free - the will! Gypsy knows what to do, wants to go to a mare
    ........ does not go!
    For more than three centuries they have lived for the "elder brother" (they have chopped off the Crimea), and now let them live in primaks in the EU (do not forget the lads to chop off the floor of the EU upon divorce).
    Wind in the sails!
  16. Kolya
    Kolya 19 March 2013 09: 51 New
    +3
    Ukrainians! Go to Euro! Down payment 10% of your deposits! And then forever debts on the euro loans plundered by your European integrators! As a result, you will be exterminated by poverty, dependence, the promotion of abortion and contraception, synthetic foods, and to the extent of concentration camps according to the historical commandments of European pure races.
  17. pa_nik
    pa_nik 19 March 2013 09: 58 New
    +1
    Yes ... without the activity of the population inhabiting the territory of Ukraine, it will be turned into a colony. recourse
  18. ded_73
    ded_73 19 March 2013 10: 26 New
    +3
    And our news bulletins are full of - "Lukashenko criticized the Customs Union" After meeting with the Russian leadership in St. Petersburg, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko expressed his dissatisfaction with the Customs Union, Gazeta.ua reports. According to him, the CU does not give Belarusians anything, because Russia retains large duties on Belarusian goods .... "(http://bin.ua/news/foreign/near-abroad/139432-lukashenko-raskritikoval-tamozhen
    nyj-soyuz.html)
    "Kazakhstan may destroy the Customs Union" - One of the most key states in the formation and further expansion of the Customs Union, Kazakhstan may withdraw from the organization. In the Central Asian country, an initiative group has been assembled to conduct a nationwide referendum on this issue, which will decide the further fate of the project ..... (http://newsmax.com.ua/13050/v-kazahstane-zadumalis-o-vihode.html ).
    I would like first-hand comments, as they say. Not true? An element of information warfare?
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 19 March 2013 10: 54 New
      0
      mdya ... strange however
    2. kostella85
      kostella85 19 March 2013 10: 59 New
      +3
      And it seems to me that
      Quote: ded_73
      Kazakhstan may break up the Customs Union
      - this is complete absurdity. Nazarbayev was the first to offer the organization of a vehicle, and besides, it’s already posture to leave, except for the haemorrhoids, the idea of ​​leaving the vehicle will bring nothing to anyone !!!
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 19 March 2013 13: 04 New
        +1
        Yes, let them vote, so that later they don’t say what they forced without asking.
    3. abc_alex
      abc_alex 19 March 2013 16: 19 New
      +2
      Luca plays. By the way, the article further states this directly. There are Belarusian goods in Russia. Including those that are produced in Russia. For example, knitwear, chocolate, cheese, canned food. You just need to understand, both Belarus and Kazakhstan first of all hoped for our market, and it is specific. We, as buyers, are not able to consume all product categories on our own. Here is what does not need special credit programs goes from Belarus with a bang. And the rest rests on the wretchedness of our banking system.

      The same is with the claims of Kazakhstan. They are generally contradictory: on the one hand there are accusations that price equalization leads to higher prices for goods, and on the other hand, reproaches are being made that cheap Russian goods crowd out expensive local ones. :)

      This is not a war. It is right inside the union for preferences.
    4. xan
      xan 21 March 2013 18: 18 New
      0
      a friend said that after joining the TS in Kazakhstan, duties on used foreign cars increased sharply, and this affected many.
      And it is profitable for the Russian auto industry
      one of the TS nishtyakov
  19. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 19 March 2013 10: 37 New
    0
    <<< A document in which one party is endowed exclusively with rights, and the other - only with obligations, and under pain of punishment undertakes to live by someone else's rules, cannot be called a cooperation agreement. This is the "Act on the recognition of Ukraine's colonial dependence on the European Union". >>>
    It is simply amazing what kind of malice and hatred the Ukrainian ruling "elite" should feed on "pits" in order to embark on this "Euro-adventure" so thoughtlessly and recklessly, to loudly boast of its independence everywhere and everywhere, not hesitating to lick the ass of the States, the European Union, anyone if only this could somehow "annoy" Russia, deliberately doing it in defiance of her and, most importantly, the INTERESTS OF HIS PEOPLE!
  20. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 19 March 2013 10: 46 New
    +2
    Guys!!!!! RELAX ORDER, we look at the source wassat
    Yes, yes, yes. Echo of Washington.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 19 March 2013 20: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      RELAX ORDER, we look at the source

      What I am talking about ... Look, how many right people on the site are led to the "Ear of Matzo" ... And now imagine, in Ukraine, tomorrow, for example, the president will say - that's it, we are joining the CU and forgot about the EU, can you imagine what a howl will rise in the media, and the people whose brains are soaring for 22 years about "milk rivers and jelly banks" in Europ - they will go crazy, the files will not dock. Politics is the art of the possible, now it is only possible to step by step move away from the delusional idea of ​​the "European choice", it is possible to make the EU accuse Ukraine of unworthiness to be in the cohort of the "chosen ones", then politicians will shrug their hands and "obey" the people - they say , wanted, but they don't take us. For this, and the circus with Verkhovna Zrada, and the revelry of "Freedom from Reason", and "selective landings" ... Well, we are unworthy ... intolerant ... illiberalistic ... request
  21. VadimSt
    VadimSt 19 March 2013 10: 49 New
    +5
    Ukraine’s decision to join the EU had to be made 22 years ago. Then, she represented an economically developed country.
    Kravchuk fooled everyone twice. The first time I signed the Bialowieza Accords, the second time I convinced of the close and fruitful cooperation of the CIS countries. In fact, having become a king, I realized that a king can do everything and the primary task is not the EU or the CIS, but rather take advantage of the power he has gained.
    Remember how he said: "Come to Ukraine, we always have bacon and vodka." Only in reality everything turned out differently. Already in 1991, the coupon system came into use - an absurdity, the salary was given 100%, and coupons at 75%, and you can't buy anything without them. In fact, 25% of the salary is just paper. Further more - privatization certificates for each family member - divided all the valued property of Ukraine. Then, he created conditions (for months they did not give out a salary) under which people were forced to sell these certificates for a penny - you cannot forbid people to eat by law, even in an independent country!
    We know the results - over the years of independence, the population of Ukraine has decreased by 11% (7 million people). Jews in World War II - 6 million people and it was recognized by the Holocaust. And these figures are not the genocide of the Ukrainian people? Who is responsible for this?
    Ukraine The EU is needed only as a market and a buffer with Russia. The EU can no longer control its problems - all aspirations are aimed at the supremacy of Germany, France and England. So already in history it was and we know how it all ended.
    1. Gari
      Gari 19 March 2013 12: 01 New
      +2
      I remember coupons, but Belarus had bunnies, and there were coupons in Georgia too, and there was such a joke, a man buys toilet paper and how much it costs - the seller, they say, so much in dollars or so much in Russian rubles ,,, and the buyer, how many coupons ?,, and the seller, if you have so many coupons, why do you still need toilet paper?
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 19 March 2013 20: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Gari
        , if you have so many coupons, why do you need toilet paper?

        Buyer: -Give a kilo of sausage. Salesman - A pound of coupons from you ... all have been millionaires ... laughing
  22. Skavron
    Skavron 19 March 2013 10: 53 New
    +2
    Yes, Ukraine will not join any EU, and there will be no associations and other delusions ... all this is boltology ...
    1. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN 19 March 2013 17: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Skavron
      Yes, Ukraine will not join any EU, and there will be no associations and other delusions ... all this is boltology ...

      a simple example of Serbia and Turkey, how many years they promise and at the same time they have with or without, in the tail and mane.
  23. Bosk
    Bosk 19 March 2013 10: 54 New
    0
    With all these Euro-standards ... a large "collective farm" at the very least can and will pull out ... but a small business wakes up a complete sorry ... ass, at least in the example of Latvia, we see this.
  24. dema46
    dema46 19 March 2013 11: 08 New
    -2
    Good afternoon. A certain negative attitude towards the customs union also takes place from that considerable glove box that exists in Russia. Here, Natsiks use the negativity successfully. What do we have a little corruption? Ukrainians and our own, enough just cannibalistic laws? problems with the Caucasus, and the extortionate constant increase in all kinds of tariffs, theft of power. and everything is there but probably want the best. I know that Putin’s image alone is against the backdrop of his victory in the Nord-Ost, where there are more than a hundred innocent civilians killed (or rather, the SS men hunted) it will scare anyone you want. it would be better if we had a cleaner life and easier than them, then the question of joining the customs union would not have stood, the crowd would have rushed.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 19 March 2013 11: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: dema46
      Good afternoon. A certain negative attitude towards the customs union takes place also from the considerable glove compartment that exists in Russia. Here are the Natsiks who use the negative successfully. What do we have a little corruption?

      Perhaps you’re right, a lot of negativity was formed in relation to Russia in the mid-nineties, while the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation was commanded by Admiral Baltin, while this character had everything - from theft (covered by Moscow, actually the only reason why the Russian Black Sea Fleet was thrown out of Odessa - banal theft, the last straw was the dismantling by the Russians of the existing navigation equipment and, as a consequence, a violation of navigation. There was no smell of politics then) until the attempt to reject Crimea (a very stupid step on the part of the Russian Federation as a guarantor of integrity and independence ...) .To the real war between Ukraine and Russia then it did not come about for two reasons: 1) the counterintelligence of the Black Sea Fleet took the oath to Ukraine (and thanks to their agents it was possible to eliminate the attempt to reject Crimea in the bud), 2) Russia got bogged down in Chechnya. In Ukraine, no one wants to repeat those events.
  25. Cpa
    Cpa 19 March 2013 11: 16 New
    +3
    Just as raw materials and metallurgy companies sold the WTO to us, they also sell the agreement on trade in (in) Ukraine. They will not take Ukraine into the EU if there is an FM fleet in the territory. There was an article recently, they persuaded him to withdraw. stop
    Nobody will redo the railway track, it’s unprofitable to rearrange each car. It means they’ll finish the roads for general use. In Europe, 10 cents per explicit protectionism milk, Ukrainians will not be able to produce at that price. I repeat once again the fate of Germany during the Cold War awaits Ukraine , and this means that the whole country will live under the supervision of special services.
  26. Kotleopold
    Kotleopold 19 March 2013 11: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: alex-defensor
    Is nationalism really ridiculed the brains of the Westerners so much that they no longer have the strength to think?

    This is not so much messing up the brains (it concerns rather young animals), but the mentality and the problem of chromosome recruitment. The only question is that now all this with dirty foam flooded out.
    I have always been amazed at the inability of the so-called. Svidomo adequately perceive information. They, screaming about "bright prospects" of European integration, will never get the simple fact that they had almost 22 years for this. Polished autobahns and Polish cowsheds - that's their whole standard of life.
    Logic is completely absent there. Unfortunately, this is hereditary ...
  27. queen
    queen 19 March 2013 11: 31 New
    +5
    All the scribe of Europe, all stole.)))) Or do not understand that they are digging a hole for themselves. good
  28. Starksa
    Starksa 19 March 2013 11: 35 New
    +3
    All this is like a change of master, if the occupiers are with Russia, if it is sovereign independence with the EU. I think they live in pink glasses.
  29. Kotleopold
    Kotleopold 19 March 2013 11: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: regin
    All the scribe of Europe, all stole.)))) Or do not understand that they are digging a hole for themselves.

    That's right! laughing
  30. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 19 March 2013 11: 51 New
    +1
    Forward. This is exactly what they want ...
  31. maxvet
    maxvet 19 March 2013 11: 52 New
    0
    and my brothers and sister live with families there ...
  32. ATATA
    ATATA 19 March 2013 12: 08 New
    +3
    Well what to say.
    You can’t invest your mind in Ukrainians.
    Join gentlemen ... Join ... (C)
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 19 March 2013 12: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: ATATA
      Well what to say.

      European roulette lol who is the first to death laughing the picture is just kosher ..... God forbid of course.
    2. The cat
      The cat 19 March 2013 13: 26 New
      -6
      Quote: ATATA
      Well what to say.
      You can’t invest your mind in Ukrainians.

      Are you so sure that you have something to invest?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 13: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Elgato
        Are you so sure that you have something to invest?

        Looking at your joy there are many laughing
      2. ATATA
        ATATA 19 March 2013 16: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: Elgato
        Are you so sure that you have something to invest?

        I will answer you with the words of the classic:
        F.I. Tyutchev
        .......
        Vain work - no, you will not understand them, -
        The more liberal, the vulgar.
        Civilization is a fetish for them,
        But their idea is not available to them.

        As you bow down before her, gentlemen,
        You do not scream recognition of Europe.
        In her eyes, you will always
        They are not servants of enlightenment, but servants.
  33. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 March 2013 12: 17 New
    -1
    Ukrainians, in my opinion, do not care who is plundered by the Europeans or our oligarchs, all the comments written above are permeated with the resentment of the Great Russian chauvinists ......... And everything is much simpler .... My wife has a classmate with whom they studied at the university, lives in Yenakiyevo, a mining town, who does not know, so when Yushchenko fought with Yanukovych they were for Russia i.e. Yanukovych, and recently on social networks she wrote a poem, I will not retell, the point is that Yanukovych is bad, our the protégé did not work and ordinary Ukrainians were disappointed in him, the question is who is to blame? It seems to me that Russia, with its wrong policy, pushes Ukraine away without realizing it. And in general, from the history of relations between the USSR and the United States, it follows that all more or less peaceful agreements were reached when in power in states were "YASTREBY" it seems to me that it was possible to negotiate with Yushchenko using hiccups and gingerbread. And Yanukovych is an old rascal, both ours and yours. My personal opinion, I do not impose it on anyone ..... I would like to hear the Ukrainians themselves, their opinions That is, firsthand, without a damaged phone ...
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 19 March 2013 14: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: NOBODY BUT US
      Yanukovych the old rascal

      Why did this old rogue headlong jump to Moscow and carry some sort of raving on camera And what exactly on the sidelines he spoke with Putin, of course, is unknown. But Vytenka’s video was still the same. sad And the whole look of Putin says, see for yourself, but we warned you ...
  34. Net
    Net 19 March 2013 12: 22 New
    +2
    Talking about independence for a country like Ukraine is simply ridiculous. All such countries depend on someone. Another thing is that the very concept of "independence" was a great goal for the Ukrainian authorities and was presented as an achievement after the separatist and criminal separation from the USSR. The people really did not understand from whom this dependence was there, probably politicians on their own conscience. And today everyone will bend over Ukraine, the European Union, Russia, the United States with inconceivable demands that "independent" Ukraine will obediently fulfill. All the trump cards were surrendered without a fight - nuclear weapons, strategic aviation, the great empire of the USSR ...
    "There is no slavery more hopeless than the slavery of those slaves who consider themselves free from the shackles."
    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
  35. Egoza
    Egoza 19 March 2013 12: 45 New
    +5
    We have 10.37. At 10.00 a meeting of the BP began (finally). At first it was calm. Then Efremov (PR) spoke on economic issues. He spoke sensibly and well, but in Russian! “Freedom” began to chant “Ukraine”. Efremov ended his speech with the words: "Thanks to those who listened, and to the neo-fascists for their accompaniment." Tyagnibok immediately jumped out and yelled "Glory to Ukraine!" And he began to shout about "observance of the Constitution, the people and the uprising." the whole faction pulled up to him, blocked the tribune. a fight broke out, the broadcast was interrupted.
    “Ukraine has not died yet, but it’s not dead yet” - this is how those who understand what is happening in the country alter the anthem. Are they prophets and is agony coming?
    Threat. In the evening I’ll write how it ended.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 March 2013 13: 13 New
      +2
      This is in addition, the link is not inserted - I put it like this
      http://i.obozrevatel.ua/8/1366652/gallery/769386.JPG
      1. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 19 March 2013 17: 38 New
        +1
        and where is Ours in the photo? Who to "root for"? laughing
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 19 March 2013 20: 53 New
          +1
          In any case, I am very happy! For the first time openly in the session hall fascists were called fascists !!!! And this is not the last time! Getting offensive? God grant!
          In any case, they summoned the heads of the factions for an hour, "consulted" for an hour, the meeting continued, and again they spoke in Russian, but the Svoboda members were already sitting in their places. However, the current meeting did not last so long. laughing .
          Threat ours in black. Svobodovs took off their jackets in advance laughing
          1. FATEMOGAN
            FATEMOGAN 19 March 2013 21: 33 New
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            Quote: Egoza
            Threat ours in black. Svobodovs took off their jackets in advance
            I will understand another time
            laughing
            [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? feature = player_embedded & v = yrSe2Csi7i0 #!]


            The only negative RT did not show how the Nazis were called by their name, but it’s a pity I would have kept such a record for myself laughing
    2. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy 19 March 2013 23: 28 New
      -3
      You forgot to mention that someone who "spoke sensibly and well" controls most of the illegal mines ("kopanok") for the extraction of coal in the Luhansk region ...
      And why more or less knowledgeable people should believe him (such as a champion of the TS), and not opponents.
      PS If I had such a roof and such opportunities as the leader of the Urki party in BP Efremov, I would not only speak, but also sing .. bully
      1. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 20 March 2013 00: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Mefodiy
        PS If I had such a roof and such opportunities as the leader of the Urki party in BP Efremov, I would not only speak, but also sing

        are you afraid to speak? belay or nothing to say? what
  36. washi
    washi 19 March 2013 13: 08 New
    +2
    According to AN, recently the Transnistrian problem has been actively discussed in the circles of Western diplomats working in Moscow. Moreover, for its solution offers various options, up to possible territorial exchanges. We are talking about no less, but about the return of Russia to Crimea in exchange for Moscow’s consent to annex Transnistria to Ukraine. Here is such a curious and at first glance attractive for the Kremlin geopolitical squiggle.

    It is easy to understand that in this situation only Moldova remains in the losers, which receives nothing at all, but only loses. But in fact, Chisinau has already for many years not controlled a narrow strip of land beyond the Dniester. Moreover, we can say that the government in the country does not control its own population. According to some reports, almost a million Moldovans now have Romanian passports, and another million are almost permanently working in Russia.

    Ukraine, having received Transnistria, will be able to align its western border, which will pass along a natural water barrier. In addition, the country will receive an economically developed region, populated mainly by educated people. Crimea is now a headache for Ukraine. This peninsula, which turned out to be part of the country by a voluntary decision of one person - N. Khrushchev, is populated mainly by Russians (60–70%), now they behave loyally to Kiev, but who knows what will turn out in the future. So, perhaps, Independent and agree. Especially if she will be promised more and monetary compensation.
    Moreover, such an exchange, approved by the leading world powers, will look quite legitimately outwardly. Thus, the operation to return Crimea to the bosom of the motherland, Russia, will be legalized. It will be possible for the Ukrainian authorities to shut up their mouths at least for their nationalists, who regard Crimea as their "patrimonial lands", and Sevastopol - as a city of "Ukrainian military glory."
  37. washi
    washi 19 March 2013 13: 08 New
    0
    Of course, one should not forget about the Crimean Tatars, which in the Crimea number about 260 thousand people. However, of the total population, this is just a little over 10%. In addition, if you listen to their opinion, then Crimea will need to be given to Turkey altogether. Moreover, they say that in the XNUMXth century after the conquest of Crimea by Catherine II, the Russian tsarina concluded an agreement with Turkey on the annexation of the peninsula to the Russian Empire. According to this document, in case of the withdrawal of Crimea from Russia, it should be returned back to the Shining Port. And today's Turkey is its direct successor and fulfills the international agreements that it signed.

    But it is clear that realistic politics prevail in Europe, and nobody will seriously consider such ancient documents there. And in general, such an option for the development of the situation in the EU will not suit anyone. We need to look for another solution to the problem. Apparently, therefore, it was decided to analyze the realism of the exchange of Transnistria to the Crimea. But where does this idea come from? There are two options. The first is from Berlin. In recent years, Angela Merkel has been constantly dealing with the Transnistrian problem and is completely in control of the topic. The second is from the Washington Regional Committee itself. This option is very sad for Ukraine. If the Germans can still be beaten off, then they will not be able to argue with the Americans in Kiev. Especially if they are supported in Moscow.

    But this can be a serious snag. By agreeing to such an exchange, the Kremlin is seriously substituting. Many citizens of the country will perceive the transfer of Transnistria to Ukraine as a betrayal. However, the return of the Crimea is able to level any negative reaction. In addition, citizens of Transnistria who do not want to receive Ukrainian citizenship can be relocated to the Russian Crimea again.

    However, when analyzing these options, it is worth remembering that while in the West such a plan is considered as a kind of conspiracy theology. But to forget that there is no smoke without fire is impossible. It remains only to understand the true purpose of such care for Russia. And it can be completely unexpected.
  38. washi
    washi 19 March 2013 13: 22 New
    +1
    Strezhevchanin (1) Today, 08:14
    14 So it turns out that the ruling elite of Ukraine voluntarily go and lead their people to the scaffold? So do you miss anyone? How democratic it is !!! It turned out to take and bite itself by the eggs, phenomenal flexibility.
    I would like to ask the national minorities now: are you satisfied now?
    ]Why only Ukrainians? Baltic States, Central Asia .. And in Russia, any: White, Red, Black But if in Muscovy the people are more or less united, then on the outskirts of the former Russian Empire there is confusion and vacillation. You probably already read that the Finns are hesitant and want to go back to Moscow.
  39. washi
    washi 19 March 2013 13: 26 New
    +2
    And, since they recalled the WTO - after joining it, Ukraine was obliged to introduce a ban on the sale of meat, lard, butter and milk produced in households from 2010
    Give collective farms
  40. washi
    washi 19 March 2013 13: 32 New
    +2
    Another strict requirement for Ukraine is the “Railways Development Directive”. It, in particular, provides for the elimination of the state status of Ukrzaliznytsya and, thus, an increase in transportation tariffs due to the termination of subsidies from the state budget. "The development of railways" includes the implementation of the Directive "On the compatibility of railway systems within the Community". I remind you that the width of the railway track is 1520-mm. In Europe - 1435-mm. The total length of Ukraine’s railways is over 30 thousand. They are driven by 139,5 thousands of cars and 6,1 thousands of diesel locomotives, electric locomotives, diesel trains. And they are far from one wheel pair! Where to get money to replace all this?
    And Russian Railways, on the contrary, signs an agreement on the laying of tracks in Europe with the "Russian" gauge
  41. washi
    washi 19 March 2013 13: 37 New
    +1
    The so-called Ukrainian patriots say that joining the Customs Union is a loss of independence, because part of the powers will be transferred to a supranational body - in terms of regulating customs tariffs. But under an agreement with the EU, Ukraine must ensure that it brings all legislation in line with EU legal acts. Moreover, any newly adopted document of the European Commission, Council of Europe, etc. must be immediately implemented into the legislative system of Ukraine. The Agreement clearly states: "Ukraine must ensure that at the end of the relevant period of time, its legislation will be fully compatible with the adopted EU legal acts." Guarantee! Contrary to the Constitution
    Farewell to the inhabitants of Ukryny, or Outskirts, or Little Russia. You can’t live together according to different laws
  42. washi
    washi 19 March 2013 13: 52 New
    0
    Another strict requirement for Ukraine is the “Railways Development Directive”. It, in particular, provides for the elimination of the state status of Ukrzaliznytsya and, thus, an increase in transportation tariffs due to the termination of subsidies from the state budget. "The development of railways" includes the implementation of the Directive "On the compatibility of railway systems within the Community". I remind you that the width of the railway track is 1520-mm. In Europe - 1435-mm. The total length of Ukraine’s railways is over 30 thousand. They are driven by 139,5 thousands of cars and 6,1 thousands of diesel locomotives, electric locomotives, diesel trains. And they are far from one wheel pair! Where to get money to replace all this?
    Russian Railways has several contracts for laying railways in Europe on the "Russian" track. Is it the other way around in Little Russia? On the thread about "Sapsan" I read -Ukraine, in contrast to Russia, is trying to be a great power. If you want to be Great - be. But great powers are not for sale, they are buying themselves. Who does yandiya want to sell to? I don’t want people to buy the Uniate Church, OUNists, impostors in the guise of "Zaporozhtsy" Cossacks for, including my money, as a taxpayer.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 19 March 2013 20: 44 New
      +1
      VASYA!
      I read everything. Well well.

      Where did the "ditties" come from?

      Sweet, of course, speech? - fables?

      Such fantasies are not for the current tribe.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 20 March 2013 00: 46 New
        -1
        Vasya we have such a Vasya)))
  43. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 March 2013 14: 22 New
    +2
    That's how these samostiischikam need it. Damn, I strongly advise you to read "The Age of the Stillborn." Doesn't seem like a dystopia anymore. We can only hope that the people will not tolerate the rulers for very long and will soon raise them to the pitchfork.
  44. pinecone
    pinecone 19 March 2013 15: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Zomanus
    VadimSt Today, 10:49
    - 3 +
    Ukraine’s decision to join the EU had to be made 22 years ago. Then, she represented an economically developed country.


    There was no European Union 22 years ago, since the Maastricht Treaty on its creation was signed in early 1992. and entered into force only on November 1, 1993. By the way, in March 1991. The USSR was still alive and even held a referendum on its integrity ..
  45. stranik72
    stranik72 19 March 2013 15: 58 New
    +3
    The EU for Ukraine (its elite) is needed not for the successful development of the country, but for the free movement of its capital and children, Ukraine for the EU is needed, as a more free market for its products, and well, to put a barrier in the way of growing a competitor in high technology. For example, please, that Poland (the beloved country of ZUkr) has become a powerful sovereign industrial power - don’t tell me, it’s an ordinary native power, that's all with the labor market and the assembly shop for consumer goods.
  46. deman73
    deman73 19 March 2013 16: 40 New
    0
    they didn’t want to fall into it and got it so there’s nothing new in the article
  47. amp
    amp 19 March 2013 17: 28 New
    +2
    Of course, choking on European shit, Ukraine will turn to Russia, but will Russia need a country with a completely destroyed economy, is that the question?
    1. 123dv
      123dv 19 March 2013 18: 33 New
      -3
      You just forgot the parable, about the prodigal son!
      The return is possible only when the last limit of betrayal is overcome, and there is nowhere to go.
      That is life!
      But Russia accepts the prodigal sons and daughters, do not hesitate.
      1. artem772
        artem772 19 March 2013 19: 20 New
        -2
        Quote: 123dv
        But Russia accepts the prodigal sons and daughters, do not hesitate.

        He accepts something, only they are not in a hurry to return to their homeland. In Ukraine alone there are about 7 million of these sons and daughters of Russia, and there are many in the Baltic countries who prefer to love Russia from afar.
        1. 123dv
          123dv 19 March 2013 19: 36 New
          -3
          Angry. And rightly so. Angry.
          Because you understand that I did not speak about individuals, but about Ukraine, Georgia, Finland, Bulgaria, Poland, about the former Baltic republics ...
          And you are angry, doing the right thing.
          1. andrey_sk
            andrey_sk 19 March 2013 20: 43 New
            0
            Quote: 123dv
            Because you understand that I did not speak about individuals, but about Ukraine, Georgia, Finland, Bulgaria, Poland, about the former Baltic republics ...

            I didn’t understand, now I understand wink Do not forget about Alaska and Manchuria with Port Arthur. You can start right from them. wink
          2. artem772
            artem772 19 March 2013 20: 49 New
            -1
            Quote: 123dv
            Because you understand that I did not speak about individuals, but about Ukraine, Georgia, Finland, Bulgaria, Poland, about the former Baltic republics ...

            Ah, now I understand smile In this case, do not forget about Alaska and Manchuria. You can start by freeing them. smile
            1. 123dv
              123dv 19 March 2013 20: 59 New
              0
              You won’t believe it, I had a dream last year that the States had become so bad in the economy that they couldn’t find anything better than giving Alaska back ...
            2. Skavron
              Skavron 19 March 2013 21: 53 New
              +1
              I also suggested that the 123dv "liberator" start from the eastern territories)
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 19 March 2013 20: 57 New
          0
          Quote: artem772
          only now they’re not in a hurry to return to their homeland.

          To run? Give all the land watered by the blood of our soldiers in the Second World War to these banderlogs? Well no! Only with the territory! hi
    2. 30143
      30143 20 March 2013 11: 02 New
      0
      Will need ... At least the Crimea
  48. Nikolay-
    Nikolay- 19 March 2013 21: 59 New
    0
    You can, of course, talk on the topic "Bach the yak garno people live with Europe". Only the geopolitical reality looks different. There are centers of power that fight among themselves for resources. They can either swallow territories that are close to them in mentality and economic structure, or must destroy them as aliens. Ukraine is not a center of power. Europe cannot absorb it, because it is an element alien to it, a fragment of another civilization. This means that Europe must inevitably destroy it first, and only in the distant future, perhaps, try to digest it somehow. In the meantime, if only the others did not get it.
  49. 30143
    30143 20 March 2013 11: 01 New
    0
    Unfortunately, the western outskirts of Ukraine always gravitated to ..ope. More than 500 years under Poland, 130 years of Austria-Hungary affect their views. Moreover, stubbornness is such that if it is bad for them, then all the same, if only to quarrel with Russia. One way out is to close the entrance to Russia for Ukrainian guest workers. And that’s all ...
  50. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 20 March 2013 16: 45 New
    +4
    The stump is clear - the "gas issue" is being pressed (.. if you don’t respond, we will write to Sportloto).
    But Yanukovych is not Lukashenko, I want to have privileges in the TS, and I don’t pay pennies.