A word about the mausoleum and the Soviet legacy

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Recently, materials about the "bloody totalitarian" regime, the "terrible Soviet" legacy, which supposedly prevent Russians from choosing the freedom of millions, have begun to appear again. Lenin, Stalin, the Bolsheviks are increasingly appearing on the pages of ours, and even more - not of our newspapers, where megatons of most of the discrediting and openly mocking content over these political leaders, of course, on a global scale, are poured onto the heads of readers.

A word about the mausoleum and the Soviet legacy


In particular, the issue of the transfer (or even demolition) of Lenin’s Mausoleum from Red Square and the tradition of giving the body of the leader of the world proletariat to the earth has now been raised many times before.

I want to note that the debate on this topic in society is quite acute, and opinions on this subject are also very polar. By virtue of the latest materials about the Mausoleum, I would like to state my opinion on this topic.

First of all, I want to ask the question - what and to whom does it interfere? Like many other ordinary Russians, it does not prevent me from living and working.

The mausoleum is now — yes, no longer the personification of the bright communist future and not a symbol of the proletarians of all countries. But now it is above all ours. History! The history of our Fatherland in the twentieth century is both heroic and tragic, but which must be honored and remembered, because a nation that does not respect and does not remember its history is not a people, but a poor and stupid flock of sheep eating a hamburger. The mausoleum is now a historical symbol of the Great Epoch of a mighty country that existed for almost 70 years and made a huge contribution to world history. And we need to remember this period - because we were something to be proud of - the achievements and breakthroughs of the world scale during these 70 years, our country has done a lot.

However, the Bolsheviks in their time, having come to power, made a terrible mistake, which we absolutely cannot be repeated - they began to demolish mindlessly the ancient temples and cathedrals, the great monuments of ancient Russian architecture. They wanted to decapitate our history, to erase the centuries-old foundations of Russian statehood, one of the pillars of which was Russian Orthodoxy! The result of these barbaric and completely senseless wild acts of vandalism was the loss of priceless monuments of architecture and national heritage left us our great ancestors! Now sit and bite your elbows.

We, the descendants, should never repeat these mistakes.

Monuments of architecture inherited from our great ancestors are the national wealth of the people, and they should not be a bargaining chip in the hands of any ruling regimes - no matter what - communist, democratic or monarchical. They are our memory, the personification of the past epochs, with their achievements and losses. And our care for them is a tribute to the memory of our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, our great history. In the days of Ivan the Terrible, punishment and imprisonment of heads were common, and everyone suffered - both right and guilty, but it never occurred to anyone, for example, to demolish the Cathedral of the Intercession of the Most Holy Mother of God on Red Square, which ditches (he same St. Basil's Cathedral), which was built by order of the king, who killed so many souls? After all, it does not occur to anyone to level the barracks of Auschwitz, although they were exploited by the Nazis, who turned the camp into a death factory, in which a huge number of prisoners were killed and burned in the most inhuman way. Why not demolish? Because they want people, seeing this concentration camp, to remember and not forget the history of this place, the history of Nazism and the horrors of war.

So why should we forget our story?

The mausoleum is now also a monument of architecture, which is made of quite rare and expensive materials, and which embodies the genius of architectural thought and style of the time. It is firmly and unshakably inscribed in the interior of Red Square, which in all this diversity is the hallmark of our country, which is recognized all over the world. It is hard to imagine the Moscow Kremlin, St. Basil’s Cathedral, the State Historical Museum and Red Square without the Mausoleum. And this is not a mere allegation: the entire ensemble of Red Square, including Lenin's mausoleum, is one integral object, which is included in the list of UNESCO World Cultural Heritage Sites. And the state is obliged in accordance with the requirements of UNESCO to maintain these monuments of the past in proper condition and care.

Summing up the above, I want to say that I, as a citizen, and as a person who appreciates the history of his country, is categorically against the transfer and, moreover, the demolition of the Mausoleum and I hope that our current and subsequent guides will have enough brains and mind not to arrange dances on bones and do not fight with your past. Moreover, the Mausoleum is not only the personification of the era of the great achievements of the Soviet Union, but also a mute reminder of the colossal, multimillion-dollar sacrifices that our people made raising and rebuilding the country out of chaos and ruins. And having destroyed this monument, we will destroy the memory of those who made these sacrifices. The twentieth century for our country was the most heroic and the most tragic for the entire existence of the Russian State and it would be impossible to erase all its achievements and upheavals from the memory of the people and no struggle with mausoleums.

I think most of my compatriots will support me!
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  1. +4
    13 March 2013 16: 32
    Yes, leave everyone alone already. How much can you procrastinate one and the same. Let our descendants decide in the future.
    1. 0
      31 March 2013 23: 53
      Quote: alexneg
      Let our descendants decide in the future.

      Shifting doing.
  2. +16
    13 March 2013 16: 33
    The fact that the Mausoleum should remain on Red Square, I think is right, it itself has become history, a historical place, but about who is inside it is a question of questions. Here I’m not at all sure that the mummy of Ulyanov (Lenin) is really necessary there. In fact, it’s a very controversial historical character.
    1. urry79rus
      +1
      14 March 2013 04: 12
      Well, yes, to extradite Lenin and put Putin ... or not on even Putin, on odd Medvedev, but no more than two terms in a row ...
    2. -1
      14 March 2013 05: 25
      Quote: Viking
      Here I’m not at all sure that the mummy of Ulyanov (Lenin) is so necessary there.

      Yes, FIG is not needed. Long ago no longer needed. The era has passed. Time has passed, you need to look into the future, and not live in the past.
      1. +1
        14 March 2013 05: 31
        ALLO, a minus signer, well, can you explain why this mummy is needed there? Or you yourself don’t know, they can’t put up one argument, they’ll put pressure on minuses fool
        1. -1
          14 March 2013 05: 58
          Smart ass! And who made you think that Lenin is not needed there? Lenin was the man from whom the state began. And you were forced to think about "the uselessness of a mummy", so you scream for no reason. The relics of the saints suit you, but Lenin took and did not arrange, it smells of brainwashing. Start with the relics of the saints, they lie there longer, but only a few know about them, are they needed there, these relics? fellow
          1. -3
            14 March 2013 06: 13
            Quote: Masterzserg
            Lenin was the man with whom the power began.

            to remind whose money and with whom he made the revolution? The usual traitor seized power! It is a symbol of betrayal, not honor. And do not write about relics, do not compare the incomparable !!!
            1. -1
              14 March 2013 06: 35
              Hitler is a symbol of betrayal, because as a result he destroyed the country, destroyed it on fire, just like a hunchbacked one, and after Lenin the country was reborn, the means are already in history, and we are reaping the results so far. 10 years, Yeltsin was ruining the country as best he could, but the fruits of Lenin stood still and still hold on.
              1. 0
                14 March 2013 06: 42
                Quote: Masterzserg
                , and after Lenin the country was reborn,

                It was after that, when Stalin handed over all the homies of Lenin. Trotsky and others like him. Where is at least ONE merit of Lenin?
                Quote: Masterzserg
                10 years, Yeltsin was ruining the country as best he could, but the fruits of Lenin stood still and still hold on.

                And what after Lenin in the country came paradise? Stalin received a country in his bast shoes. Completely bloodless and destroyed.
                1. 0
                  14 March 2013 06: 52
                  1. Stalin would not have received it, if not for Lenin.
                  2. Lenin was an "episode" that led the country to great achievements. And this can only be denied by a fool.
                  3. Calm down, who so brainwashed you that you are one against many here fighting for a dubious "truth", wash the dishes or eat a sandwich, this is much more useful. Aurevoir))
                  1. -2
                    14 March 2013 07: 08
                    Quote: Masterzserg
                    .Stalin would not have received it, if not for Lenin

                    Not a fact.
                    Quote: Masterzserg
                    ... Lenin was an "episode" that led the country to great achievements.

                    This episode betrayed faith and the country for the money of Germans and Jewish bankers, and this is a fact.
                    Quote: Masterzserg
                    Calm down, who so brainwashed you that you are one against many here fighting for the dubious "truth"

                    Your truth in the election gained less than 20%, the Communist Party. Such as I am the majority and our truth is not doubtful. You have no arguments and facts, you tell him that he did the revolution by receiving money from abroad, and you are silent. That this is true, therefore there is nothing to say. I have to say your minuses. ......... deeply parallel, if I are for you minusers now minuses proidus. little seems.
                    1. -2
                      14 March 2013 07: 25
                      "I’ll go through minuses for you. It won’t seem a little." - you'd better walk down the street. laughing So many points !!! Are you getting off the computer chair?
                      "Your truth gained less than 20% in the elections, KPRF" - is not a fact. wink But it does not matter.
                      what he did revolution receiving money from abroad, and you are silent- find the answer below.
                      1. +1
                        14 March 2013 07: 34
                        Quote: Masterzserg
                        you'd better walk down the street

                        In the morning there was, well, the freshness of the spring wind.
                        Quote: Masterzserg
                        So many points !!

                        I have many friends hi
                        Quote: Masterzserg
                        Are you getting off the computer chair?

                        I have a chair, it’s more convenient.
                        Quote: Masterzserg
                        - is not a fact.

                        The voices were stolen, well, well. A familiar liberal song.
            2. 0
              17 March 2013 15: 08
              It’s not clear why the man put the cons, the thought is close to me, the scum was rare.
        2. +4
          14 March 2013 06: 00
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          they can’t put up one argument, they’re sitting in quiet places

          So you, dear, were not puzzled by the arguments.
          1. -2
            14 March 2013 06: 18
            Quote: andrejwz

            So you, dear, were not puzzled by the arguments.

            I wrote in the last topic, but in response to the acre, there is nothing 0. There was nothing to say. Can you tell me why it is needed there?
      2. +2
        14 March 2013 05: 57
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        look to the future, not live in the past

        Somewhere I already heard it. And it’s kind of like in the Soviet past. Only then it was necessary to clarify that you need to look into the bright future.
        1. -4
          14 March 2013 06: 29
          Quote: andrejwz
          Only then it was necessary to clarify what to look for in the bright future

          With a bright future, this is for the Communists, they promised it. Only in the end the country was ruined.
          1. -2
            14 March 2013 06: 43
            Oh, another minus one, what really hurts your eyes? laughing
            1. 0
              14 March 2013 08: 51
              Here's a pancake as to the case say - put a plus, but as you start to worry about the minuses, and boast of "rank" - minuses. Do you live with this karma?
              1. +1
                15 March 2013 05: 29
                Quote: bddrus
                damn how do you say business

                On what case, they do not give facts, do not give reasons, write crap and put everything or minus and ran on. Besides smile, it doesn’t cause anything. Once put minuses it means it hurts, and I hit the nail hi
  3. +2
    14 March 2013 05: 15
    Lenin does not bother me to work and live. The mausoleum is an architectural monument that has become one of the symbols of not only our, but also world history.
    Let everything remain in its place.
  4. +3
    14 March 2013 05: 46
    Get away from Lenin! Talk about the demolition of the mausoleum is a stupid provocation, to whom did it interfere? Those who do not want our people to remember a strong past, the time of achievements, victories and the formation of a superpower! I see no more sense in talking about the removal of Lenin.
    1. -2
      14 March 2013 06: 20
      Quote: Masterzserg
      Talk about the demolition of the mausoleum is a stupid provocation, to whom he prevented

      Yes, let it be, but to take out and bury the mummy. Disputes will be terminated FOREVER !!!!
      1. +3
        14 March 2013 06: 40
        Because you so wanted? Or to whom? For me, it is a symbol of the Soviet era, which I respect and in some way I miss, it does not bother anyone except the Orange liberals, but they are now looking for a reason to protest under every pebble, because they have put on a cloak. Do you want to stop the dispute about Lenin with you forever?)))))
        1. -1
          14 March 2013 07: 13
          Quote: Masterzserg
          Because you so wanted? Or to whom?

          Can we conduct a survey in the country and see who and what you want?
          Quote: Masterzserg
          For me, it is a symbol of the Soviet era

          And for me, Lenin is a symbol of betrayal!
          Quote: Masterzserg
          except for the Orangeist liberals,

          These clowns Putin bothers them is not up to Lenin.
          Quote: Masterzserg
          Do you want to stop arguing with you about Lenin forever?))

          Of course, stop it, I just don’t want to show who financed Lenin in a new way, it’s on the internet. The difference is that someone wants to know the truth, but for others the symbol of something there does not allow a sober look.
          1. +3
            14 March 2013 07: 47
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And for me, Lenin is a symbol of betrayal!
            is paranoia.

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Can we conduct a survey in the country and see who and what you want?
            - article rating - already a survey.


            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            it is in the internet. the difference is that someone wants to know the truth, but for others the symbol of something there does not allow a sober look.
            -On the Internet there is also child porn, but the truth is a moot point, I tell you obvious things, and you tell me fantasies and husks.
            1. -2
              14 March 2013 08: 00
              Quote: Masterzserg
              article rating - already a survey.

              For a rating of 48 people, this is all who are for Lenin or will still be laughing
              Quote: Masterzserg
              there is child porn on the Internet,

              Oh, yes, I see you are knowledgeable, only the Old Lenin, written by the Communists themselves and compare porn, well, actually ............ wassat
              Quote: Masterzserg
              I tell you obvious things

              Where is the obvious fact, well, at least one? Lenin did this, that, that? Where????????????? One blah blah blah
              1. -1
                14 March 2013 13: 42
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                For a rating of 48 people, this is all who are for Lenin or will still be
                - 50 for 19 against. 19 Is it all who is for the burial or still will be ??? laughing

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Where is the obvious fact, well, at least one? Lenin did this, that, that? Where????????????? One blah blah blah
                - Do you have an argument that he took money from the Germans? I explain, you don’t understand, well, it’s apparently the inertness of the brain already. Hitler’s achievements are huge, and the result is deplorable. Do you understand what I mean? And so type on the Internet Achievements of Lenin, briefly. There are different opinions, get to know everyone.
                1. +1
                  15 March 2013 05: 34
                  Quote: Masterzserg
                  There are different opinions, check out all.

                  I see you read only one laughing
                  Quote: Masterzserg
                  Hitler’s achievements are huge, and the result is deplorable. Do you understand what I mean?

                  Yes, I see, see May Camph your handbook.
                  Quote: Masterzserg
                  - Do you have an argument that he took money from the Germans?

                  The Germans sent him out of kindness in a sealed carriage to make a revolution laughing
                  Quote: Masterzserg
                  50 for 19 against 19 Is it all who is for the burial or still will be ??

                  Considering that up to 150 people visit Sait per day, you don’t have much support. The numbers say that the majority of the population simply do not care about Lenin. If he doesn’t, he will not change anything, only 000 people will be blown out to the mausoleum and will weep. is always.
              2. +1
                14 March 2013 13: 48
                "Oh, yes, I see you are well informed, only information about Lenin, written by the communists themselves and ......" they wrote some nonsense, who compared what? or is this humor so unsuccessful, do you have posts on this topic, that humor is loser, apparently you first need to understand what topic you are advocating and why.
  5. +1
    14 March 2013 06: 58
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Yes, let it be, but to take out and bury the mummy. Disputes will be terminated FOREVER !!!!

    Today, such MINDS, like Lenin, in the whole world - a LITTLE ... Yes, and even less ...
    Lenin is not those garlopans-leaders of protest liberal democratic movements, but a thinker who, in his writings, wrote the future of socialism / communism significantly different from the liberal freedoms of the French revolution.
    Namely? For example, one of the principles is democratic centralism. Do you know anything about this? No? So bother to find out for yourself!
    But with what money the revolution was made, this is known in history ...
    And Lenin in that story is not the only one who used the dachas of European civilization - the enemy of Russia. Or who thinks that, including Lenin, did not understand this?
    Another question, but do today's liberal boys understand this ????
    No wonder the bas-relief as a symbol of democracy in the USSR was three-faced - F. Engels / K. Marx / Ulyanov-Lenin!
    Both the one and the third and the third are great people in the history of the WORLD (!) And one of them is OUR RUSSIAN GENIUS -Ulyanov.
    Those who carried the banner after him didn’t even think of changing or even denigrating his personality, because they knew that each individual Lenin was not fit for suicide. And if Stalin hadn’t destroyed them, then I would have looked today at those who whine against Russia, against its Great History ... What THEY were and would be today ...
    So the STA doesn’t have to take anyone anywhere - it’s still useful to us, and our descendants will appreciate a sound approach to the respect of their ancestors for the many thousand-year-old history of Russia.

    And don't worry about the "cons" - we are all here treating each other, some with minuses, some with comments, and some with little things behind the scenes of discussions ...
    Or not?
    1. -1
      14 March 2013 07: 13
      Quote: Tartary
      and one of them is OUR RUSSIAN GENIUS -Ulyanov.

      Name surnames Lenin name
      1. +1
        14 March 2013 07: 32
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Surnames saОwarriors lЛname enina

        Surely you are going to take my exam in public. ????????
        Funny ...
        But do you not know those names ??????
        This fact for me, at least, is surprising ........................
        1. -2
          14 March 2013 07: 42
          Quote: Tartary
          Funny ...

          Oh, you saw mistakes laughing
          So there will be the names of like-minded LENIN with a small letter, SORatnikov from the word litter or garbage.
          Quote: Tartary
          But do you not know those names?

          I want to hear these names from you, admirers of LENIN, or from the names of SORatnikov himself distorting.
  6. +4
    14 March 2013 07: 11
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Masterzserg
    Lenin was the man with whom the power began.

    to remind whose money and with whom he made the revolution? The usual traitor seized power! It is a symbol of betrayal, not honor. And do not write about relics, do not compare the incomparable !!!

    And remind whose money Yeltsin came to power? Remind me how he was doing a coup d'etat in 1992. And remind with whom he made the revolution. Since I started, let's talk.
    And the fact that Lenin took money from Germany, and then in 1918 and then in 1920 threw it away. Well, that's okay. Let the Germans worry about it. Our revolution backfired on them even in 1945. This is not what it was in 1914, when, with one rifle for three, shouting "For the Tsar Father", Russian guys threw themselves under German bullets in order to relieve tension near Paris.
    Lenin took the money, but did not use it for the interests of Germany. And on whose interests did the Democrats use the money they received in 80's-90's? For the benefit of Russia?
    1. 0
      14 March 2013 07: 26
      Quote: qwert
      And remind whose money Yeltsin came to power?

      CPSU money laughing as far as I remember, Yeltsin himself was a Communist for most of his life and screamed the URA Party, Lenin, and then oops, I quit the party belay Remind the names of the circle of Lenin and Yeltsin wink Two parallels of the same story.
      Quote: qwert
      And the fact that Lenin took money from Germany, and then in 1918 and then in 1920 threw it.

      Yes, he threw it, licking their heels.
      Quote: qwert
      Well, it's nothing

      Think loot from the enemy took, think betrayed laughing
      Quote: qwert
      To them, our revolution even in 1945 came around

      And Lenin stuck here, it even comes to this fool
      Quote: qwert
      This is not what it was in 1914, when, with one rifle for three, shouting "For the Tsar Father", Russian guys threw themselves under German bullets in order to relieve tension near Paris.

      Yes, they did their duty! Until the end they performed, according to the oath and orders.
      Quote: qwert
      Lenin took the money, but did not use it for the interests of Germany.

      And for whose interests, Trotsky, Bronstein or other names are there?
      Quote: qwert
      And for whose interests did the Democrats get the money they received in the 80s-90s?

      Friedman, Berezovsky ........ again the same surnames, what a coincidence belay
  7. +4
    14 March 2013 07: 14
    Monuments to Soviet soldiers are demolished in the Baltic States, they are blown up in Georgia, and at the state level, in Ukraine, nationalists and any monuments of the Soviet era also interfere with nationalists.
    And how do those that interfere with the mausoleum differ from them? Don't these gentlemen seem to follow this path too?
    The events of 1917 of the year and the entire period of the Soviet era can be treated differently, but this is our story. In fact, today we live and are proud of what was brought in that period. Who knows, if we had Korolev, Gagarin, etc., if we had not gone through this, if the Kerensky government had been kept, or the autocracy remained unshakable. Or, for example, Russia suffered a defeat on the Kulikovo field and what, can erase this moment from history, maybe everyone will feel better? I exaggerate of course, but you can discuss for a very long time, and everyone will remain in their own opinion.
    Stupid ..................................
    1. 0
      14 March 2013 07: 28
      Quote: VadimSt
      In fact, today we live and are proud of what was brought in that period.

      We are proud of the civil war unleashed for German money ???????? Are you separately proud aside hi
      1. +1
        14 March 2013 07: 40
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        We are proud of the civil war unleashed for German money ???????
        -funny)) More than these dubious, someone imposed on you, no arguments? )))
        1. -1
          14 March 2013 07: 56
          Quote: Masterzserg
          More than these dubious arguments imposed on you, are there any arguments? )

          As a matter of fact, that civilian was no longer or not under the name of Lenin, Trotsky, Ovsey-Gersh Aronov Apfelbaum (Zinoviev), Alexandra Mikhailovna Kollontai, Evgenia Mavrikievna Sumenson, Gelfand (Parvus), Yakov Furstenber, Lunacharsky, Teodorovich, here she is your pride.
          These are not even arguments, this is a story of betrayal !!! Minus -
          I'm sick of you.
      2. -2
        14 March 2013 07: 53
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        We are proud of the civil war unleashed for German money ???????? Are you separately proud aside

        I smile at your sources of information ... smile

        Where did you go with the intervention organized by the Entente, which included tsarist Russia before the revolution ...
        Remind you all members of this organization? Or will Wikipedia help you?

        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0%ED%F2%E0%ED%F2%E0

        To it you can add the Japanese and Americans in the Far East, including and your native Vladivostok, and in my Khabarovsk ...

        Let's remember who was the Bad Boy? How would these boys pay for the disservice of the "brotherly" states?
        The southern part of Primorye? Sakhalin?
        Who were killed by the interventionists? Really each other?
        I'm not talking about the most famous hero of the Civil War in the Far East - burned in one of the locomotive fireboxes ...

        To tell about Volochaevsky hill?

        So who was the villain for us today? Who, for what, and on whose money did Civil fight?

        Amazing knowledge of native history ... Especially the history of the native land. Rzhunemagu ...))))))))))))))))))))
        1. 0
          14 March 2013 08: 03
          Quote: Tartary
          Amazing knowledge of native history

          Even more amazing. How do you twist history. How profitable and turn. Minus, do not forget to put me there wink Bury Lenin !!!!!!!
          1. -2
            14 March 2013 08: 19
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Even more surprising. How do you turn the story. How profitable and turn. Minus I do not forget to put Lenin to bury it !!!!

            I assure you, no one will dare ... Yes, and Putin is unlikely to give. In general, Putin’s acre and sensible nemeryan ...

            As for the minuses: - I have as many of them for you ... But laziness as often as you should put ... It’s easier to neigh or pass by without reading and getting into an empty chatter ...

            And still, study the history, especially of the Homeland. At leisure...
            Although it’s clear where you have free time, when you need to monitor your own rating every minute ... Tracking enemies on the site and wiping yourself is a lot of work ...

            Adyos Amigos, Alexander!
        2. 0
          April 1 2013 00: 57
          Quote: Tartary
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0%ED%F2%E0%ED%F2%E0

          You, here, gave the link. This is from there:

          in the conditions of the Brest Peace Treaty just signed by the Bolsheviks with the Kaiser government, according to which the Leninist government of Russia transferred Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic states and Poland under German control with the payment of large sums to the Germans in the form of indemnity

          Representatives of the imperial general who headed the White Movement sought to fulfill the obligations undertaken by the Russian government

          Foreign countries provided substantial military-technical, economic and political support to one or the other groups waging a struggle in Russia.

          D. and. n N. A. Narochnitskaya calls the statements that the purpose of the foreign intervention was to crush Bolshevism and help the White Movement untrue, notes the predatory attitude of England towards her former ally of Russia, as well as the fact that the Entente helped the Leninist government and the Entente betrayed the White

          etc.
  8. +2
    14 March 2013 07: 20
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    what he did revolution receiving money from abroad, and you are silent.
    - are the payments in your hands?
    This is all because either you misunderstand me, or you don’t read it carefully. I answered you that it is not the means that are important, but the fruits, and we are reaping them still. No one knows how the fate of the country would have turned without Lenin. and yours "is not a fact"is not an argument at all, in which case there is still an infinite number of development options. But it was as it was. There was Lenin and there was a superpower! This cannot be refuted. Lenin is a symbol of the revolution and the subsequent Soviet era - this also cannot be refuted. The Soviet era gave us the opportunity to live now, after the disaster of the 90s. T.ch. stop verbiage.
    1. 0
      14 March 2013 07: 38
      Quote: Masterzserg
      do you have the hand payments?

      What infu sponsors lead, there you are all God's dew.
      Quote: Masterzserg
      and your "not a fact", not an argument at all,

      Yes, not an argument, but it is the answer to your IF. Everything is as it is. As it is! There is a story in which Lenin was a traitor to his country and nothing else!
      Quote: Masterzserg
      There was Lenin and there was a superpower!

      Under Lenin, Russia was NEVER a superpower -NEVER! A superpower from the country was made by others.
      Quote: Masterzserg
      The Soviet era gave us the opportunity to live now, after the disaster of the 90s. T.ch. stop verbiage.

      Soviet, but not Leninist, so stop lying and call black white.
      1. +1
        14 March 2013 07: 59
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Under Lenin, Russia was NEVER a superpower -NEVER! A superpower from the country was made by others.
        - your slow-thinking or stubbornness, I'm honestly tired of it. Under Lenin, it was born, a superpower, it became one at the end of Stalin’s reign, maybe he has nothing to do with it too.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What infu sponsors lead, there you are all God's dew.
        - you see, the same thing. What direct documents are real? Sponsors probably still alive?)))
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        There is a story in which Lenin was a traitor to his country and nothing else!
        There would be more such traitors, after which the country would so rise.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        that is enough to lie and call black white.
        - I'm returning.
        1. -1
          14 March 2013 08: 07
          Quote: Masterzserg
          There would be more such traitors, after which the country would so rise.

          All PJSC! I'm tired of reading your nonsense.
          Quote: Masterzserg
          - I'm returning.

          Yes, at least get angry tongue
  9. +1
    14 March 2013 08: 30
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I am for you minusculers now proidus minuses. Not much will seem.


    Here it is a true person, aware of all the intricacies of the backstage website fight!
    In general, this is exactly what happened ...
    The "honored" has turned green, while the "junior" staff has become as it should (!), I.e. as it should be ...

    Well, yes, and a flag with skulls in such a hand!
    And on shoulder straps it will follow itself - the people will figure out xy from xy ...
    1. +1
      15 March 2013 05: 36
      Quote: Tartary


      Here it is a true person, aware of all the intricacies of the backstage website fight!

      Well, you, as previously banned and do not know wink
  10. -1
    14 March 2013 08: 57
    I will say this: I am against the general slander of Lenin, as well as some others (Peter 1, Ivan the Terrible, Stalin, etc., etc.) - this is the whole history of the fatherland.
    But the mausoleum would be removed - to bury with dignity, in a worthy place. (I am against the cemetery on the Red Square), and the number of monuments in the cities would have been ordered - too much
  11. +2
    14 March 2013 10: 52
    1) The mausoleum is not an architectural monument.
    2) The Mausoleum is an occult building.


    The trolls turned the conversation into a rotten bazaar .. Like for or against Lenin.
    Rave. Absurd. In the mausoleum and Stalin was placed. Thank God, Stalin was buried humanly.
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    It’s not clear .. Or are the defenders of the mausoleum the Papuans who are trying to protect their shamanistic cults? ... Or the defenders of the mausoleum are worse than the Papuans ... That is, they know that the mausoleum is a shamanistic temple .. but for some unsightly reasons, they want this temple of a cannibalistic cult to remain in the center of Moscow.
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    Does anyone want his father’s body .. or his own, to be put up for fun by the Rothaeans ????
    1. 0
      April 1 2013 00: 37
      Quote: ammunition
      1) The mausoleum is not an architectural monument.
      2) The Mausoleum is an occult building.

      Any structure can become an architectural monument.

      Quote: ammunition
      the defenders of the mausoleum are the Papuans who are trying to protect their alien shamanistic cults

      So it’s more correct. In our culture, the dead are interred. And mummification is the culture of Ancient Egypt, etc. I believe that this ancient Egyptian tradition should not be borrowed.
  12. rodevaan
    +1
    14 March 2013 11: 19
    [quote = Alexander romanov - ... as for you minusers, I’m going to take advantage of the minuses.


    - Honestly, it is not clear to me that you are so worried about these minuses? This is essentially an empty place. They also put me when in the comments someone does not agree with my arguments. So now - to arrange theatrical scenes? Adequate, balanced comments, which may not coincide with the opinion of the editorial board, or of the majority of readers, but where there are facts, reasonable arguments, or at least their position is reasonably and reasonably explained, they will never put a minus for no reason. And where there is hysteria, screams, squeals and just an unreasonable position (like I want it all) - well, I'm sorry, not everyone has the patience.

    Personally, I didn’t put you cons, but I don’t understand such capricious behavior.
    1. 0
      15 March 2013 05: 43
      Quote: rodevaan

      - Honestly, it is not clear to me that you are so worried about these minuses?

      I don’t worry about them. It's just that gentlemen do not answer questions, stupidly put cons and go on, others just lie.
      Quote: rodevaan
      This is essentially an empty place.

      Well said!
      Quote: rodevaan
      So now - to arrange theatrical scenes?

      It’s difficult to fight with them in another way, they have no arguments, they lie request
      Quote: rodevaan
      but where there are facts, reasonable arguments, or at least one’s position is reasonably and reasonably explained, they will never put a minus for nothing.

      Dear, take a look at my comments, where I wrote the names of Lenin’s comrades-in-arms, they got stuck with minuses, you don’t know the local public, they have no other arguments, therefore the minuses were put up for the truth hi
      Quote: rodevaan
      but I don’t understand such capricious behavior.

      Should I agree and recognize Lenin as a patriot?
      1. rodevaan
        +1
        19 March 2013 16: 50
        [quote = Alexander Romanov]
        I don’t worry about them. It's just that gentlemen do not answer questions, stupidly put cons and go on, others just lie. [/ Quote]

        - I read everything from the beginning to the end - there is no reasonable polemic or dialogue in the chat. Just an explosion of emotions. Therefore, such conclusions were made.

        [quote] In another way it’s difficult to fight with them, they have no arguments, they lie [/ quote]

        - Well, if you see that it is not possible to convince a person, and that he has a completely opposite opinion on this point, what is the point of going on the same circle further and further? You are an adult, and you understand that with such "methods" you obviously will not persuade them to accept your innocence or your point of view?

        [/ quote] Dear, take a look at my comments, where I wrote the names of Lenin’s comrades-in-arms, they got stuck with minuses, you don’t know the local audience, they have no other arguments, therefore the minuses were made just for the truth [/ quote]

        - Well, to be truly truthful and accurate, the downsides were not set for truth or falsehood, but for a loud chat debate and purely personal attitude to each other, and not to the issue under discussion.
        Further - here personally, I don’t care what kind of audience is here, since they are trumpeting everywhere that we have democracy, I am free to express my opinion, which I do in the comments. And if someone disagrees with me, I will not hysteria, but accept the reality as it is. Well, put a minus - then do not agree. Well, what’s wrong with that?

        [/ quote] I have to agree and recognize Lenin as a patriot? [/ quote]

        - The attitude to Lenin or to any other question is your personal opinion, which takes place and no one has the right to deprive you of this. But to arrange a prelude hysteria because your opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the opponent, I think it's stupid.
  13. 689valera
    0
    14 March 2013 13: 44
    do not touch Lenin, whom does he bother there ???
    1. rodevaan
      +1
      14 March 2013 16: 33
      How is this to whom? Shit-degenerates and Westerners, praying and faithfully serving S.Sh.P for food, trying to erase our great history from us from behind a hillock. Here's to someone.
      1. 0
        15 March 2013 05: 44
        Quote: rodevaan
        Shit-degenerates and Westerners, praying and faithfully serving S.Sh.P for food, trying to erase our great history from us from behind a hillock. Here's to someone.

        I will assume that I am also on your list of the above wink
        1. rodevaan
          0
          19 March 2013 16: 38
          Well, if you yourself consider yourself one of those whom I have listed for certain reasons, or really do what I have listed, then personally I am a shame and shame to have such a "compatriot".
  14. 0
    14 March 2013 15: 21
    If such a non-primary issue raises such passions, then everything must be left as it is. And when everything is more or less settled down, then the descendants will figure out who, where and where to take out ...
  15. -1
    14 March 2013 15: 22
    It is interesting, and in what other countries of the world the main square of the capital is turned into a churchyard?
  16. +2
    14 March 2013 19: 49
    Lenin bequeathed himself to be buried, and a doll was made of him! Of course, the mausoleum does not need to be demolished, indeed, a memory. But Lenin should be endured and interred. Although, in truth, it really does not bother anyone.
  17. +1
    14 March 2013 23: 07
    Um, the late Hugo Chavez is going to be embalmed and in Venezuela no one speaks out rather the other way round. Personally, Lenin does not bother me.
  18. 0
    April 1 2013 00: 46
    It is amazing how some Christians defend a tomb with a mummy.