Who wrote off the debts of Russia?

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Who wrote off the debts of Russia?Information about the writing off of debts to various countries of the world from Russia causes a mixed reaction in Russian society. According to supporters of the government’s idea of ​​writing off debts, this measure is productive, as it allows the Russian Federation to declare its focus on economic and political partnership and add to the list of its allies in different regions of the world. Opponents of the idea of ​​writing off debts are sure that unreasonable generosity on the part of the current Russian authorities, based on the “generosity” of past generational taxpayers, will not lead to anything good. They say that it was not you who lent money, not you to sign the write-off agreements ... Each of the opponents has his own hard arguments, whether justified or, conversely, writing off debts to various countries of the world was counterproductive for the country's economy and political image.

Before each reader can draw his own conclusion, it is necessary to refer to the recent stories debt relief both from the Russian Federation and in relation to it. We will begin by presenting a list of those states that in recent years (since the discovery of solvency on their debts) official Moscow has decided to forgive a certain percentage of their debt. When submitting a list, we will adhere to information that at various times came from official sources.

Year 2000. Writing off a 11 billionth (in dollar equivalent) debt Vietnam.

Year 2003. Write-off Iraqi debt in the amount of 12 billions of dollars.

Year 2007. Russia writes off Algeria debt in the amount of 4,7 billion dollars in exchange for assurances from the Algerian authorities about the signing of new contracts with the Russian Federation in the military-industrial sphere.

Year 2007. Mongolia written off debt in 11,1 billion dollars.

Year 2007. Russia forgives Afghanistan the same (about 11 billion dollars) amount of debt.

Year 2008. Russia in exchange for lucrative contracts write off debt in the amount of 4,6 billion dollars Libya. The contracts then had to be quickly folded due to well-known events.

Year 2010. Again Mongolia. Write off a Russian (non-Soviet) debt in the amount of 168 million (not billion) dollars.

Year 2012. Russian Federation writes off a number of African countries debt of about 20 billions of dollars.

Year 2012. Written off 11 billionth (some magic number of debt) DPRK.

Year 2012. Written off debt Kyrgyzstan in the amount of about 0,5 billion dollars.

Year 2013. Restructuring underway Cuban debt, which according to some is about 30 billion dollars.

If you make a summation to identify the total number of debts written off by Russia, it turns out that an amount of about 116 billions of dollars has been written off and restructured. This amount is comparable to the expenditures of local budgets of a good dozen Russian regions. In general, the amount is more than impressive.

We now turn to the list of those states and supranational institutions that have written off the debts of Russia itself. The list in this case is long does not work. What a sin to confess: for the entire existence of such a state as the Russian Federation on the world map, not a single state of this world itself Russia has not written off a penny, a penny, a penny, or a penny...

Even at the very moment when Russia was on its knees, there was no question of writing off the debt. They expected Russia to return both its own debts and the debts collected during the existence of the USSR.

The only help was realized through foreign currency loans, the interest on which sometimes looked more than impressive.

If we talk about the history of lending to Russia from foreign financial organizations, then the beginning of this story was laid in the already insanely distant August 1992 of the year, when we, or rather the current government, were “presented” with a billion billion, so that this government would make the life of an ordinary Russian well fed and financially cloudless ... The credit donor was a few organizations, among which stood out the International Monetary Fund. By the end of the so-called Yeltsin era (December 1999), Russia already owed the IMF about 15,3 billions of dollars. Of course, it is impossible to call this amount very heavy, especially in modern conditions, but one should not forget that the conditions of 1999 and current conditions are, to put it mildly, not quite equivalent.

After the Russian Federation began to reach the level of solvency and repay taken loans, the idea of ​​early repayment of debts to the IMF. 2008 was appointed as the loan repayment year for Russia, but official Moscow persuaded the IMF to accept repayment in advance so as not to pay substantial interest. Representatives of the IMF went to a kind of concessions, abandoned claims for future interest and early repayment of debt from the Russian Federation accepted. These were the first and last (to date) concessions to Russia, which, meanwhile, did not refuse its debt obligations (and as the successor of the Soviet Union, including).

In addition to the IMF at the beginning of zero, Russia also owed the Paris Club of creditors. The permanent members of this club are 19 states, among which are the USA, Canada, Japan, Australia, Great Britain, Germany.

The total amount of debt was about 47 billions of dollars, of which almost 39 billions were debts of the Soviet period. As they say, they spent all the Soviet republics, and repay them to Russia. Well, you can't do anything about it: since the successor is, so the successor is ...

The largest percentage of debt to the members of the Paris Club corresponded to Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States. It should be noted that 1996 signed an agreement on installment payments for 25 years, however, the installment plan looked very peculiar - with interest on individual payment periods. The total amount of interest, which was designated by the permanent members of the Paris Club, was determined in the amount of 19,4 billion dollars, which Russia had to pay up to 2020 year. In order not to overpay on interest, the Russian authorities decided to make an offer to the members of the PAC on early repayment following the example of the agreement with the IMF. However, in the PAC, the officials were not so accommodating as in the IMF, and therefore they agreed to early repayment of debts from the Russian Federation, but only on conditions that the interest accrued right up to the year 2020 will also be paid ... Amazing financial kindness ...

Russia, for obvious reasons, decided to refuse a large lump sum payment that could bleed the budget and, looking around at the "partners" from the Paris Club of Creditors, decided to repay the debt with smaller (although the word "small" is hardly appropriate) payments. As a result, today we (the Russian Federation) owe the international financial organizations 2,2 a billion dollars, of which about 450 million dollars to the very same PAC. As you can see, the debt to the "well-wishers" from the Paris Club is almost repaid.

In addition, at the state level, the Russian Federation today, through the CMEA, owes about 1 billion dollars, and another about 35 billion dollars in foreign bond issues.

Here, the phrase of the Russian Federation “must be in line with the CMEA” stands out. It is worth recalling that such states as Mongolia, Vietnam, Cuba and a number of other countries to which the Russian Federation wrote off debts were included in the CMEA at the time. But in relation to Russia, other ex-CMEA states are not even going to write off the debt ... Where are there - Poland or Hungary will write off a billion - keep your pocket wider ... They, like the countries of the Paris Club, will wait in the wings when Russia presents them with a “debt "On a silver platter. These gentlemen will wait - they will not lose. But Russia, for some reason, does not like to wait for the return of debts - forgives everyone ... They say that, they say, they won't pay it anyway - why wait for the weather at the sea. Neither the “poor” oil Libya and Iraq will pay, nor Vietnam, which was so kind in response to the debt write-off, that even applauded the closure of the base in Cam Ranh ... And on 11, the billions written off the base could function more comfortably for another year.

In general, the fact that we do not know how to wait for the payment of debts from the “partners” is a fact. I would like to believe that acts of unconditional debt cancellation by Russia and non-writing of debts in its relation will not strike a blow to the country's economic and political image. But this is still a trend: you will borrow from Russia - you don’t need to give it anyway ... And if you don’t, you can remember about the “old debt of the USSR”. Perhaps, it will go through, and the Ministry of Finance will pay ...
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  1. +16
    6 March 2013 08: 20
    I don’t think that everything is so simple and for nothing. Surely for these "forgiveness" we have something, even if not in monetary terms.
    1. +31
      6 March 2013 08: 55
      Of course not for nothing. But it’s not we who have it, but those kind uncles who are preparing such documents, and not the budget, but in our own pocket.
      1. +7
        6 March 2013 09: 16
        this measure is productive, as it allows the Russian Federation to declare its focus on economic and political partnership and to replenish the list of its allies in different regions of the world You apparently did not carefully read the beginning of the article. I personally did this a couple of times. The man was satisfied, grateful, and SHOULD(does not matter)
        1. postman
          +6
          6 March 2013 11: 56
          [quote = Sirocco] this measure is productive [/ quote]
          What?

          [quote = Sirocco] as it allows the Russian Federation to declare its focus on the economic [quote

          ? For some reason, England, the USA, France, Switzerland, etc., do not strive to do so.
          and [quote = Sirocco] replenishmentUT list of its allies in different regions of the world [/ quote] -unlike us (Russia).

          Since 1919, England and the United States suspended the provision of loans to France and demanded the repayment of loans taken earlier. Financial markets reacted immediately: the franc collapsed in London and became the object of all speculation. ... June 25, 1928 Poincare confirms the death of the franc Germinal - monetary unit

          A person (or the state) ceases to respect (and take seriously) a creditor, and wipes his feet about him, and in their circle, except semi-Turks, they do not call such creditors otherwise ...
          1. +12
            6 March 2013 13: 04
            postman
            Quote: Postman
            A person (or the state) ceases to respect (and take seriously) a creditor, and wipes his feet about him, and in their circle, except semi-Turks, they do not call such creditors otherwise ...
            good And there is no need to hide behind Putin and Co., any "Хstate intЭresami ", all from the evil one - they say, they think Wider and Deeper, caring about the Motherland. Fuck there !!! Putinoids - keep believing in "вWAITING "your own. Believe - everything is for the good of the Motherland, the people ...
            I read half the comments - not a word about Putin. Here WHO в ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING !!! "Everything" - just tired of disclosing. Open your eyes.
            What XE.RA to me from Vietnam, Iraq, Mongolia, Afghanistan (!!!), African countries laughing , Kirizia (the same laughing ) and oh-oh-oh-Cuba ... If there is no gas in the village ... 70% (yes more, more ...) of the village.
            Why, to me, to a simple person, is this fucking GEOPOLITICS ??? I live today !!! Understand today. I don’t need gas tomorrow.
            And me, at the same time, all about "spaceships plowing the vastness ..."
            Borders must be kept on LOCK. Yes, and I would like, in general HAVE THEM.
            For those 13 years that Putin has been in power, ALL to restore and close the borders. Just don’t talk about mountains and landscape ... And there is no need for integration, internationalism, etc. We are Russians. Who wants to be friends - be friends, from "far", or anything "personal" laughing , all to their "homes". I know - we can do without "stans" and "Caucasus".
            No, the rulers (and not only) continue to sleep in a MISSION WITH A GLOBE.
            You have to deal with your country, your homeland. Think less about geopolitics, empire, and "decisive" role in the world. We must live today. TODAY...
            1. postman
              +1
              6 March 2013 21: 29
              Quote: Z.A.M.
              "State interests"

              What interests are there ...
              It’s clear to the kindergarten’s client, due to the cancellation of debts, who receives (moreover, purely theoretical (potential)) benefit: what is the name of the Alikperovs and others?
              Moreover, the state (people), at best, can rely (in the distant future) on possible tax postulates from the implemented projects (from the tax base, that is, what will be shown). Although all this is doubtful (and history proves this: Libya, Iraq). Instead of having a lever (albeit "eternal") of pressure on the debtor: "shut up", vote for the recognition of Abkhazia, support, accept ships, etc. = Debt simply "merges" to please the pocket "pillars" of the Russian economy.
              NOTE: while it’s somehow strange to read about how the Libyans lived curly and blissfully under Gaddafi (like cheese in butter),
              Full analogue: FORGIVENESS OF DEBT DEBTS TO AVTOVAZ (for many billions, cars delivered, sold, money AUTO VAZ - you sew.)
              Here I personally, in experience, just try to negotiate an interest-free loan agreement with legal entities: the tax department will quickly explain to Hu from a sham transaction, as it is without profit (%)
              And here - chiki peaks.
              Strange kk then all this, oh strange.
          2. +1
            6 March 2013 16: 15
            postman
            Vasily, you wrote MORE than me ... "plus" to you ... or hi , .... maybe even like that - soldier
            1. postman
              0
              6 March 2013 21: 31
              Quote: Z.A.M.
              More than me

              Ettt in what sense? By the number of characters? Joke?
              ( belay )
          3. +2
            6 March 2013 20: 04
            Quote: Postman
            A person (or the state) ceases to respect (and take seriously) a creditor, and wipes his feet about him, and in their circle, except semi-Turks, they do not call such creditors otherwise ...

            For example, debts are forgiven to Arabs, Asians are also forgiven, as are Latinos, but Belarusians are not, it’s insulting to us crying
            1. postman
              +2
              6 March 2013 21: 35
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              and we Belarusians no-it's a shame like that

              Here I am about the same thing.
              Belarusians (and Ukrainians) will break their throats for a penny.
              HERE THEY ARE STATES: Nothing to sit on the neck of the Russian people.
              HERE FORGIVEN GADDAFI

              $ 4,5 billion in exchange for the VISION of multi-billion dollar contracts - EASY!
              Wherein:


              NOTE:
              connected (to me) Belarusian TV: = with pleasure 2a (!) listened to Lukashenko: communication with the press.
              Not bad.
      2. DAOSS
        +6
        6 March 2013 15: 23
        Absolutely true!
        Normal rollback. I am writing off the debt to you, and you are transferring me 10% to the Cayman Islands. For a comfortable pension.
    2. +5
      6 March 2013 09: 26
      Hello everyone! This is the price of "friendship", a variant of "expensive friendship" is possible, where Russia should still remain hi
    3. +1
      6 March 2013 10: 04
      Well, well, another gullible one. At one time, they even sold the debts for nothing, they say they still won’t give it back, well, they won’t pull the Yankees
    4. +1
      6 March 2013 10: 25
      Come on, come on, from this place in more detail, is there something we have?
    5. Ruslan80
      +2
      6 March 2013 12: 37
      Have us if you don't see !!!
    6. +1
      6 March 2013 15: 17
      bombowoz, that and Iraq is an example !!! but?!! wassat
    7. anomalocaris
      +3
      6 March 2013 17: 38
      Of course not for nothing. Only we do not have, but us.
    8. +2
      6 March 2013 20: 32
      Quote: Bombowoz
      Surely for these "forgiveness" we have something


      We have, but not us!

      You try to overdue a loan to the bank. Quick bailiffs put!

      CUT! Rollback! ARROW!
      A smart system created over 12 years.
  2. Lavrik
    +11
    6 March 2013 08: 21
    It’s interesting if Vietnam’s 11 billion debt was repaid by him for paying rent for Kamran, how many years could we use this base?
    1. Alikovo
      +2
      6 March 2013 08: 30
      on cube also in ludres
    2. opkozak
      +4
      6 March 2013 15: 02
      They told me about Kamrani. There is a fuel line. Vietnam with an ax comes up, cuts the fuel line, picks up two buckets of solariums, the rest into the ground. And so it is. Products from the Union were transported, then the Vietnamese managed to flog bags during transshipment so that the groats spilled out. + continuous sabotage. During the regular removal of food waste from Soviet ships in Kamrani, natives with wheelbarrows and carts pulled themselves up. Rolling up their trouser legs and climbing onto the tractor trailer cart, they knee-deep in the waste with skill to sort the potatoes, pieces of bread, etc. into their candecks and buckets. If it were a pet, then they would probably scoop everything.
  3. Roomata
    +3
    6 March 2013 08: 28
    written off because they don’t give it but can’t do anything
    no strength
    goodwill gesture
    and others are still choking on us for a penny
  4. +1
    6 March 2013 08: 35
    I’m certainly not a financier, but I hope at least half of the debts written off went to the benefit of the country, which means military and political benefits.
    1. +5
      6 March 2013 10: 06
      There is no hope,
    2. +6
      6 March 2013 10: 37
      Take off your pink glasses.
    3. +12
      6 March 2013 11: 15
      Quote: Renat

      I’m certainly not a financier, but I hope at least half of the debts written off went to the benefit of the country, which means military and political benefits.

      Of course, you don’t know what to read. After writing off the debt to Vietnam, we were asked to increase rents, and to put it simply, we were asked to leave the territory. Here you have a military-political benefit hi about Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan you yourself will find benefit or help?
      1. +4
        6 March 2013 11: 24
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ro Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan themselves will you find benefit or help?

        Well, the benefit is damn solid - from Libya, militants to the Caucasus from Afghanistan poppy discounted from Iraq a contract for the supply of weapons for which hell will pay request Who else has questions? wassat
  5. +2
    6 March 2013 08: 40
    If you think "bad", then the US-controlled government is driving us into debt ... If you think "good", then some kind of carpet games are going on and we get some preferences for writing off ...
    In general, I also do not understand all these forgiveness of debts ...
  6. +4
    6 March 2013 09: 04
    To write off debts, to give land to power is perfect. What else can she do?
    1. +5
      6 March 2013 10: 37
      Fight three skins from your population.
      And, yes, even inviting migrants to amnesty.
    2. +2
      6 March 2013 21: 46
      Quote: erased
      What else can she do?


      BABLO SAW!
      In the city of Sharya, Kostroma Oblast, businessmen repaired the bridge on their own, deciding not to wait until the authorities take charge of it. Moreover, if local officials planned to spend one million rubles on repairing the 13,5 bridge, then the entrepreneurs met in 300 thousand - thus, the work cost 45 times cheaper.
      In the Kostroma region, entrepreneurs repaired the bridge across the Sharyinka River on their own. It’s not that the administration of the city of Sharya refused to repair the bridge - the repair was planned for 2013 year, and they planned to put about 13,5 million rubles into the budget (one reconstruction project was estimated at approximately 1,3 million rubles). But local businessmen decided not to wait for official events and try to repair the vital bridge on their own.
      The initiator of the repair was Sergey Zakharov, his company manufactures metal products. Zakharov was supported by other local businessmen and even those who do not live in the area. We collected about 300 thousand rubles, in addition, various organizations helped with materials and equipment. As a result, for three months, from mid-September to December, the bridge was repaired. Now cars are already driving along it.
      The head of the Sharya administration, Vladimir Klimov, handed a letter of thanks to Sergei Zakharov. In total, more than 40 people participated in the repair of the bridge.


      Read more: http://smartnews.ru/regions/kostroma/3663.html#ixzz2MmbUzvwm
  7. +1
    6 March 2013 09: 07
    Debt writing off is not forgiveness of it, just in return they give us priority, for the development of natural resources, the construction of any expensive facilities (such as nuclear power plants with subsequent maintenance), etc., etc.
    1. +1
      6 March 2013 10: 08
      Iran paid normally but rushed for free as a result of a bummer
    2. +3
      6 March 2013 11: 17
      Quote: wolk71
      debt writing is not forgiveness of him, just in return they give us priority, for the development of natural resources, the construction of any expensive facilities (such as nuclear power plants with subsequent maintenance), etc., etc.

      What have we been given in Afghanistan except the heroin problem? What did they give us in Iraq? What and what can be built in the DPRK, they don’t have enough money for the foundation of the NPP.
      1. +1
        6 March 2013 12: 27
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What have we been given in Afghanistan except the heroin problem? What did they give us in Iraq?

        They agreed with the Americans. What the Americans gave us, I don’t know.
        1. +2
          6 March 2013 12: 31
          Quote: ism_ek
          What the Americans gave us, I don’t know.

          Heroin Hemorrhoids!
      2. djon3volta
        -5
        6 March 2013 12: 56
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        other than the heroin problem?

        are you sitting on a needle or something? I'm not. And by the way, I don’t drink alcohol. Nobody can persuade me, tempt me to use, it's useless!
        1. +3
          6 March 2013 13: 08
          Quote: djon3volta
          are you sitting on a needle or something?

          You can’t say anything at all about the case. Or we don’t die from Afghan heroin 100 thousand each.
          1. +1
            7 March 2013 08: 41
            Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: djon3volta
            are you sitting on a needle or something?

            You can’t say anything at all


            Quote: djon3volta
            are you sitting on a needle or something? I'm not.and by the way I do not drink Alkagol. No one can persuade me, tempt me to use, it is useless!


            Alexander, forgive you wretched ... If IT also starts to drink ... We will get tired of reading nonsense ... if we understand, because with Literacy null full laughing
            Sasha, you are not fooled by his comments. Everything is clear there - fool .
  8. 0
    6 March 2013 09: 14
    Year 2000. Write-off of 11-billionth (in dollar equivalent) debt to Vietnam.

    This is a debt in foreign currency rubles. There is no such currency now. It was converted to dollars at the Soviet rate. and got such an astronomical amount. Let us not forget that it was the Soviet Union that brought down the currency of the CMEA countries uncontrollably printing money. The Communists considered that CMEA is the ballast for the Soviet economy.

    The results of the work of Vietsovpetro for 2009 we evaluate as positive. The operator has overfulfilled plans for oil production. The oil production plan was set at 6,2 million tons, but in fact 6,5 million tons of oil was produced. Given the stable oil price, we were able to fulfill and exceed all financial obligations. As a result, the share of profit of the Russian participant in 2009 amounted to more than $ 400 million. This is a fairly high indicator, especially during a crisis.
    1. +2
      6 March 2013 10: 33
      1. And what prevented not writing off debts, but to make a profit?
      2. They wrote off 11 billion, 400 million received profit. Something seems, the exchange is somehow unequal. And let the debt be converted from foreign rubles to dollars, that’s why, because the Vietnamese used to use the equipment, machinery, raw materials, etc. that the USSR supplied them with, accumulating debts. Once accumulated, then let them give, at least bananas or something else.
      1. 0
        6 March 2013 11: 03
        Quote: anip
        1. And what prevented not writing off debts, but to make a profit?

        Who would put us on the Vietnamese shelf? Debt writing off is a fee for using resources
        Quote: anip
        They wrote off 11 billion, 400 million received profit.

        400 million brings only one project annually
        Quote: anip
        Once accumulated, then let them give, at least bananas or something else.

        Those. you support Gorbachev for the fact that he destroyed the CMEA. You support Yeltsin for destroying the USSR. We got rid of the "freeloaders" so to speak. Has it gotten better?
        The problem is that no one except the Vietnamese and other underdeveloped countries bought our cars because of their poor quality. The CMEA countries have stopped buying our cars - our factories have stood up. Who is better from this?
        1. +2
          6 March 2013 11: 13
          Here distort just do not.
          How and where did I say that I support EBN and MSG? And where does "get rid of freeloaders"? That's just something, they did not get rid of the freeloaders, since they wrote off the debts. So it was necessary to keep everyone on the hook for the debts and milk them slowly. That's why better and NOT become, since everything was written off and forgiven.
          And the counter question:
          And why is it nobody ever writes off any debts to Russia? And nobody is afraid for some reason that Russia DOES NOT write off something. And for some reason they’re from it not worse? Well, they would take and write off debts in order to normalize relations, sign any contracts so that they it became better, huh, right? And then contracts that are flawed for the Russian Federation are signed, and debts are not written off. Isn't it strange for you?
          ..
          And give me a million rubles in debt, huh? And then, after five years, write off to normalize the relationship or to sign a contract. And then, after another five to ten years, you will write off that you will have time to run.
          1. 0
            6 March 2013 11: 33
            Quote: anip
            And why is it nobody ever writes off any debts to Russia?

            Let us recall 1998, when instead of securities with a yield of 150% per annum, foreign investors were put in securities with a yield of 5% per annum in rubles. Plus, the ruble depreciated four more times
            In fact, a debt of $ 80 billion was written off.
            1. +1
              6 March 2013 12: 07
              This is not a duty.
              And the result of an unsuccessful financial game of foreign and other "investors".
              I remember well that period, then almost 150% of the annual return on investments in rubles (in GKOs, OGSZs, bank deposits) was combined with a stable dollar exchange rate. Then it was great to live on interest, having $ 15-20 thousand in ruble equivalent in investments . The situation was reminiscent of the story of '94 with MMM. And default was just a matter of time.
              It was clear to everyone who, at least something, understood with finances that this was not for long.
              And if someone wanted to make money on this, then he should have assessed the corresponding risks correctly. And not to complain later that he had lost.
              1. +1
                6 March 2013 12: 24
                Quote: bootlegger
                This is not a debt, but the result of an unsuccessful financial game of foreign and other "investors".

                Vietnam also has a controversial situation. Their debt was in the currency of the CMEA countries. He had to pay for Vietnamese goods.
                With the currency of the CMEA countries, the same thing happened with GKO and MMM. The communists printed it so much that it turned into candy wrappers
                The question arose at what rate to recalculate debt. Agreed at the official rate, but part of the debt was written off
            2. 0
              7 March 2013 05: 26
              It was a commonplace scam, like the JSC "MMM". Everyone knew what they were doing.
              ..
              Will you take a millionaire in exchange for the prospects of cooperation?
        2. 0
          7 March 2013 05: 29
          Who would put us on the Vietnamese shelf? Debt writing off is a fee for using resources

          In fact, the payment for the use of resources is rent, profit payment, etc., but not debt relief.
  9. +4
    6 March 2013 09: 26
    "Even at the very moment when Russia was on its knees, there was no question of debt cancellation. Russia was expected to return both its own debts and the debts accumulated during the existence of the USSR."

    Write off debts when in the long term there is no possibility of repayment. After all, no one thinks that at least in 50 years Mongolia will suddenly begin to distribute billions. But the fact that no one forgives us anything says that even our sworn friends, even in the shitty periods, knew that Russia would certainly rise.
    1. +5
      6 March 2013 10: 27
      And if you try to take them in kind from them?)) Let them give horse herds))) and Africa bananas or something else)) I think that no one was just dealing with this issue or did not want to deal with it. for some reason .. everyone has minerals on the territory, we could get them from them on account of debt, as an example .. hi
      1. +2
        6 March 2013 10: 32
        Quote: ruton
        give horse herds give

        Yes, what are you, only with thoughts of Romanian horse meat in sausages all of Europe vomits (I apologize), but you are talking about herds. Why are they for us?
        1. +1
          6 March 2013 10: 38
          Quote: Vladimirets

          Yes, what are you, only with thoughts of Romanian horse meat in sausages all of Europe vomits (I apologize), but you are talking about herds. Why are they for us?
          Romanian horsemeat from a flounder, and believe me good horsemeat has an amazing taste, so let it be driven. Horsemeat is the most expensive meat. laughing
          1. 0
            6 March 2013 10: 49
            Quote: Allex28
            and good horse meat believe it has an amazing taste

            Yes, I know that. wink
            Quote: Allex28
            Romanian horsemeat with a flake

            And the rest, she died? belay
            1. 0
              6 March 2013 10: 51
              Quote: Vladimirets
              And the rest, she died?
              maybe there was a dohlyak, you can expect everything from these rums wink
        2. +3
          6 March 2013 11: 02
          Do not want horse meat .. do not))
          In economic terms, Mongolia is developing most dynamically from all countries of the world and seems to be perhaps the most promising sales market in Northeast Asia, and even in the entire Asia-Pacific region. Thus, according to the State Statistics Committee of Mongolia, referred to by Xinhua News Agency, the real growth of the country's GDP in 2011 amounted to 17,3%, while the nominal one reached a fantastic figure of 27,8%. For comparison: in China, the same indicator was 9,2%, in India - 7,8%, and in Russia, according to the Federal State Statistics Service, - 4,3%.
          Although more people live in cities, Mongolia's economy is still concentrated in industries such as agriculture and mining [13]. Mineral resources such as copper, coal, molybdenum, tin, tungsten and gold make up a significant part of the country's industrial production.
          I won’t believe that there’s nothing to take there ..
          1. 0
            6 March 2013 11: 21
            Yes in any the country has something to take.
          2. +1
            6 March 2013 16: 56
            Quote: ruton
            Mineral resources such as copper, coal, molybdenum, tin, tungsten and gold make up a significant part of the country's industrial production.
            The extraction of all this is done by Russian companies.
        3. 0
          6 March 2013 14: 49
          Quote: Vladimirets
          You are about herds. Why are they for us?

          It would come in handy. With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool is better than just writing off.
      2. Rusich
        0
        2 May 2014 00: 40
        +100

        Yes, at least take the beaches of the sea coast under the tourism business.
    2. 0
      6 March 2013 10: 54
      Mongolia has rich deposits of copper, uranium, gold, coal, even oil.
      "According to PricewaterhouseCoopers, in the first half of 2011, a total of 1379 approvals for the development of the mining industry were sold, for a total of $ 71 billion."
    3. +2
      6 March 2013 11: 11
      By the way, 11 yards to Vietnam have been written off, how many years did Kamran rent take? Yes, we would be forever registered ..
  10. +3
    6 March 2013 09: 38
    Not all debtors should have written off debts from some, after which we did not wait for anything but petty dirty tricks!
  11. +1
    6 March 2013 09: 49
    And it seems to me that in a modern way everything is much simpler .... After all, a "rollback" is also provided for writing off, and insofar as our poor officials cannot resolve issues in another way .... It is strange that nothing is said about Cyprus .. .About 15% of real estate is in some form of ownership of our nouveau riche .....
    1. 0
      6 March 2013 10: 10
      Forget there is no such law, this is mine,
  12. Gari
    0
    6 March 2013 09: 57
    The agreement on transferring the ownership of 5 shares of Armenian enterprises to Russia in repayment of the state debt of Armenia to the Russian Federation in the amount of $ 93 million was signed in 2002. According to the document, the Armenian plant “Mars” CJSC, “Yerevan Scientific Research Institute of Mathematical Machines” CJSC, “Yerevan Scientific Research Institute of Automated Control Systems” CJSC, “Yerevan Scientific Research Institute of Materials Science” CJSC, and the property complex of the Hrazdan Thermal Power Plant were transferred to Russian ownership. --0—
    All the defense enterprises, all the large ones, when they broadcast it, they hoped that for nothing, but at least they would work and that in 10 years, they were worth nothing.
    5 largest enterprises for 93 million dollars. And this is all to a strategic ally, partner, etc.
  13. 0
    6 March 2013 10: 01
    If there is something to give, let them give. One thing is Mongolia and another thing is the same Iraq.
    1. +5
      6 March 2013 10: 28
      Well, yes, Russia is a generous soul. But from his common people he takes off his last pants.
      There, in the United States, interest on mortgages recently dropped from 3,56 to 3,51% per annum. What is our percentage? From 13,5 - 14 and higher (depending on banks and conditions)? Why the hell do they give their living, it’s better for all Negro Arabs, etc. to help.
    2. +2
      6 March 2013 10: 42
      If you translate this topic into a household one, you get:

      I give money to a friend if I can’t give it on time, I say I will give it back when you can (and he doesn’t ask to forget about the debt, because we are friends) - Conclusion I have a friend, but the borrowed money "hangs" indefinitely.

      I lend money to a friend, but then I forgive him the debt. - Conclusion I am not the smartest person in the world, I am left without money, but I have a friend.

      I lend money to a friend, but for various reasons we quarrel and I forgive him the debt. - Conclusion I have no friend and no money.

      Well, if I give money to the enemy - ?

      And if you look from the side of the debtor, then no one who is paying for a loan at the bank has yet been told - "Yes, spit on this loan, don't bother not to pay, we wrote it off to you."
  14. 0
    6 March 2013 10: 35
    Well, once again I am convinced that Russia is a completely different country. We write off debts, we take on the burden from which others refuse, we are the true guarantor of peace, we do not rob our "colonies", but develop.
    1. +1
      6 March 2013 11: 24
      It would be better on the contrary, more respected.
  15. +1
    6 March 2013 10: 38
    And if you count what has been requested since the time of Gorbaty ... yes, good souls, debts are a good lever in the negotiations, there are no people asking, so at least something pleasant ... they should ... the moral effect, they stretched out a little. Our rulers do not know how use it ... the Kyrgyz were forgiven and that ... they fan out their fingers ... break off another one time ... FMS to work and everything will be returned with interest.
    1. Heccrbq
      +3
      6 March 2013 12: 01
      Humpbacked, along with Shevardnadze, gave the shelf of Norway for a snuff of tobacco, but how did he sell GPG property? Did he announce Kolya at the figure of 9 billion during the negotiations, although he was ready to give Kolya for 130 billion, then he asked the amazed German 2 times, not believing his ears. And after This one, still on TV, says something, speaks out, and does not lie buried in the nameless grave, beyond the Arctic Circle, a creature.
  16. 0
    6 March 2013 10: 39
    Kind! I am convinced that no one writes anything off to anyone for nothing. With the same Libya, Algeria for the cancellation, we have our advantages - our companies have priority in resource extraction, mutually beneficial contracts. Write-off for a long time let's say so some kind of lobbying of their interests in the sphere of these states!
  17. fenix57
    0
    6 March 2013 10: 46
    Duc can arrange a "boomerang". How can I push ... hi
  18. +3
    6 March 2013 10: 54
    Year 2007. Russia forgives Afghanistan the same (about 11 billion dollars) amount of debt.

    What is it for them?

    Sirocco Today, 09:16 ↑ ↓ new 2
    This measure is productive, as it allows the Russian Federation to declare its focus on economic and political partnership and to replenish the list of its allies in different regions of the world. You apparently did not carefully read the beginning of the article. Personally, I myself did this a couple of times. The person was satisfied, grateful, and MUST (all the same)

    The government has changed and no one owes anyone, scratch your turnips.
    Year 2008. Russia, in exchange for lucrative contracts, is writing off 4,6 billions of dollars of debt to Libya. Contracts then had to be quickly curtailed due to known events.
    Something like here.
  19. +5
    6 March 2013 10: 56
    "Russia is a generous soul!" however, this does not apply to Russian citizens. The government forgives debts by receiving preferences for companies that are commanded by the right people. Those. my money has been forgiven, but I will not get the profit from this ...
    1. 0
      6 March 2013 11: 25
      Absolutely.
  20. golo-yurij
    +2
    6 March 2013 11: 13
    I may not understand. A lot of all these loans, but for some reason it turns out worse and worse for the people. And Storchak is getting fatter and getting fatter.
  21. aleksandr.k
    0
    6 March 2013 11: 16
    It’s just that the tsar is not a real one in power, a friend of Kudrins and Chubais, but in the government all the time pests constantly, who put the stool, where did the Fursen, Serdyukov and other shushar come from?
  22. 0
    6 March 2013 11: 21
    All the effectiveness of our "managers", in my opinion, lies in the "effective" cancellation of debts at the expense of the "efficiency" of companies especially close to the "emperor".
  23. Batkamahno
    +1
    6 March 2013 11: 31
    In politics, like in poker. I sat down to play with the big uncles, show that there is something behind the soul. Unfortunately, only debts remained after the soul of the 90s. Yes, they wrote off Libya before the collapse of the contracts, but they lost. So the opponents were not fools. It is difficult to play with cheaters if you are a beginner. At that time, we could not convict of deceit. Actually, there was no one to swim to Libya at that time. But Syria was not surrendered. To play, you need to bet, if you can’t, then sit at home. For that matter, the USSR fed a bunch of countries just for the sake of raising prestige (and in many situations, generally without a chance of an answer). The main thing here is to become a skilled player on the world stage. And debts .... in the end, then. you can later remind the new owners of Libya that they were not just written off (if they remain in power) The main thing is that the voice be convincing
  24. 0
    6 March 2013 11: 31
    State the official is assigned a "small" part of the written off debt to an account in a Western bank - that's the whole scheme. Again she is CORRUPTION!
    1. Batkamahno
      0
      6 March 2013 11: 42
      How simple it is))) the evil official decides to write off the debt and gets a rollback. Some kind of omnipotent and terrible bureaucrat. So listen and be terrified. You know the person who can make such decisions, WEST I think to take such kickbacks. I am more willing to believe that this is just idiocy than theft. Do not judge everything by the standards of petty officials; at a certain point, money is no longer so significant.
  25. +5
    6 March 2013 11: 52
    Listening once again to a debt forgiveness of a banana republic, a strategic partnership with which, well, is soooo important for Russia, I’m thinking about this:
    Is strategic partnership with our own people important or not for our government?
    When, during the crisis of 2008 (and to this day) millions of citizens of the country became indebted to fat banks, the government supported not the people, but the banks, making them even fatter. The government did not support real enterprises, suffocating from lack of funds for development, but the same financial structures that overtake funds "over the hill" ...
    Why doesn't the government pay off the bad debts of its people to bankers (mostly "not theirs")?
    The scheme is simple: instead of the so-called "support of the banking sector" (or simply - injecting public money into a bottomless bank hole), take, and with this state money, pay off (for the same banks) the debts of citizens who fell into bondage to bankers thanks to the bankers provoked by the crisis. And the banks will receive money, and the people will get rid of bondage. This is what I understand - strategic cooperation ...
    1. +2
      6 March 2013 12: 47
      Quote: vadimN
      Both banks will receive money, and people will get rid of bondage. This I understand - strategic cooperation ...

      I agree! Ready to sign up!
      Only the state also forgives debts to officials (bribes), and on ordinary citizens it stuffs the budget in order to forgive debts again!
    2. Ruslan80
      +1
      6 March 2013 12: 48
      Totally agree with you!!! I heard from Putin’s lips in 2008 that he would send funds to banks, and they would already lend to enterprises, he was stunned to say the least !!!
    3. djon3volta
      0
      6 March 2013 13: 03
      Quote: vadimN
      millions of citizens of the country were debtors to fat banks, the government did not support the people, but banks, making them even fatter.

      and it was necessary for non-payers to give cash, supposedly for those 100 thousand (or how much he owes there), go pay .. and so amendments were made to give people a delay in repaying loans, especially mortgage loans. In the United States in general, thousands of gods were formed due to the 2008 crisis , in Russia such badak did not happen, there were isolated cases I agree, but this is connected with a particular bank, the conditions are not the same everywhere.
      1. +1
        6 March 2013 17: 51
        Quote: djon3volta
        but it was necessary for the non-payers to give cash, supposedly for those 100 thousand (or how much he owes there) go pay ..


        Not .. not so! So that there is no abuse, no one needs to give money in cash ... The base of bailiffs or banks on heavy debts is taken, a register of debtors is compiled, it is checked that there are no "dead souls" in it (to neutralize abuse by banks), and the amount of debt according to this list, it is transferred directly to the bank, and the citizen receives a notification that the beloved state has written off the debts to him, and not to the Papuans of the distant republic of Mumbo-Yumbo. And the person will breathe freely (with gratitude to the state, by the way), and banks will receive an injection instead of bad debts.
    4. +2
      6 March 2013 20: 09
      At a minimum, the state could provide support to the population according to the scheme: the state does not levy income tax on written off penalty interest on overdue debt, bankers write off all fines completely. This is the minimum! which the state could do without harming itself, without spending a dime, but having received support from citizens in a difficult situation.
    5. 0
      10 March 2013 08: 19
      Quote: vadimN
      The government did not support real enterprises, suffocating from the lack of funds for development, but the same financial structures that overtake funds "over the hill."

      There is one tricky point here: by 2008, the state-Russia paid off its debts and the state had no external debts, but at the same time, private companies got loans in the West and there were considerable debts there. If they had not been repaid, then they could actually present to payment and the real sectors of the economy could completely come under foreign control. Therefore, it was necessary to pay off the debts of private companies in the West at the state expense by issuing loans to them, which naturally went abroad. Here the question is different. The fact that Russia as a state it does not have its own STATE BANK, which would lend its economy for real interest, the same private owners, so as not to take money in the West. But the restoration of the STATE BANK of Russia is a very complicated issue.
  26. Svarog
    +3
    6 March 2013 12: 41
    The phrase attributed to Bismarck: "Do not hope that once you take advantage of the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, do not rely on the Jesuit agreements you signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper. on which they are written. Therefore, with the Russians it is worth either playing fair, or not playing at all "...
  27. Ruslan80
    0
    6 March 2013 12: 42
    Debt writing off will lead to favorable economic cooperation. for whom is it favorable? Certainly not for Russia! Moreover, these countries are mainly oriented to the west.
  28. +3
    6 March 2013 12: 49
    Just like in a joke:

    Soviet time. Lecture at the factory. The topic of the lecture is cooperation between the CMEA countries.

    Having explained everything that is possible, the lecturer finishes the speech, but from the audience he is asked to explain to

    any specific example:

    Lecturer: "Comrades! Here is a good example: cooperation between the countries of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance:

    Here is what you produce?

    Shout from the audience: "Clay whistles"
    Where are they delivered?
    A cry from the audience: "To Mongolian shepherds!"

    Those, in turn, supply sheep skins ... "

    Shout from the audience: "To the USSR !!"

    Lecturer: "No, comrades! They supply hides to Hungary, where they are dressed and

    send ... "

    A shout from the audience: "To us !!!"

    Lecturer: "No, comrades! Hungarians supply them to Germany, where they make

    first-class sheepskin coats. And sheepskin coats are supplied ... "

    Shout: "Us?"

    Lecturer: "No, no! Sheepskin coats go to the West for currency, but friendly Bulgaria

    supplies us with clay from which you make whistles for Mongolian shepherds ... "



    With "debt forgiveness" something like that comes out ...
  29. golo-yurij
    +1
    6 March 2013 13: 18
    23 years will pass and the military pension will be 100%, by the time there are no guys who are now retired, who are now over 60, Russia has already written off their debts to them. Why would such pensioners have enough half.
  30. 0
    6 March 2013 13: 53
    Of course, our fathers commanders screwed up Iraq, Libya, and Algeria, and now they are firmly under the p-i-n = d = o = s-a-m-u, but there are probably some secret agreements with the rest, for example about an unobstructed flight through the territory or the deployment of missile weapons at the right time for us on the territory of the former alleged debtor. Well, etc., etc. in all areas from economic to military-political inclusive.
  31. 0
    6 March 2013 14: 19
    Roth Front, comrades.
    I will only say one thing: nothing just happens

  32. +2
    6 March 2013 15: 05
    Come on, what's steaming. They get kickbacks and it's okay ... In my opinion, everything is within the framework of the current policy. But if we did not have ostentatious corruption scandals, officials would live on one salary (I need storytellers), then of course - there is a clear reason to figure it out ... well, gentlemen, everything is in the style of "New Russia". ..
    1. Jan Radium
      0
      19 December 2013 21: 03
      How to drink to give am
  33. +5
    6 March 2013 17: 33
    Yeah, our soul is wide! we forgive everyone (with intent or with hope for a reciprocal grateful attitude) and they, with a smile, thanks will give some relief in trade or some enterprises in response, and then again they stretch the handle knowing that Russia is great, will forgive
  34. +2
    6 March 2013 17: 45
    Well, and who of those to whom they wrote off, BECAME our friend? I already wrote - Tymoshenko was imprisoned for squandering state property. Here are the writers on the same article.
  35. +2
    6 March 2013 19: 25
    Something tells me that writing off so much debt does not come from a big mind. Debt good turn deserves another .
  36. 0
    6 March 2013 20: 00
    Correctly, in the tundra, harvest reindeer moss. Why do we need such specialists once they cannot get out of debtors debt? and in their place they put brothers with narrow foreheads, they will surely squeeze everything out to the last penny.
  37. +1
    6 March 2013 20: 45
    it’s just that you don’t need to write off big debts to everyone, but to claim these debts with the wisdom and benefit for your country for your citizens, here I’m sorry, the brains we need are not in our government
  38. optimist
    +2
    6 March 2013 20: 45
    Until the most stupid cattle in our country understands that traitors and criminals are in power, the Kemsky Volosts will surrender, debts to the Papuans will be written off, guest workers will be brought in by the millions, etc., etc. (every sane list can continue on its own),
  39. 0
    6 March 2013 20: 50
    Quote: deman73
    but to claim these debts wisely and for the benefit of our country for our citizens, here I’m sorry the brains are needed which, in my government, are not

    This is primarily to Lavrov, for five years more than 116 billion has been written off - the beacon of diplomacy. laughing
  40. 0
    6 March 2013 20: 51
    Writing off debts to oil countries was not permissible - they are potentially rich and can actually pay off debts.
  41. 0
    6 March 2013 21: 36
    Somehow I remember Russia several years ago decided to pay off a debt like the IMF-u ... so an entire delegation arrived in Moscow asking them to wait for the GDP ... as I understand it, they wanted to leave at least the appearance of a lever of pressure on Russia ...
  42. 0
    6 March 2013 21: 46
    The IMF likes to pay off the interest, but the "body of the loan" is not allowed to be repaid!
  43. TAGIR
    0
    7 March 2013 15: 31
    All debts have accumulated mainly for the supply of weapons. That is, we worked hard workers in the military-industrial complex for a penny and we were cut off our outfits so that the salary limit would not be exceeded. And Russia gave the results of our labor to all "friendly peoples"
  44. +3
    9 March 2013 13: 36
    But still we owe royal gold! the West excuses itself that the debt is returned only to the monarch, so it is necessary to seek and appoint a king or empress, since there are descendants of the Romanovs, they can return the gold
  45. Yastreb
    0
    9 March 2013 19: 41
    The USSR closed Lend-Lease debts only in the 80s if I am not mistaken.
    And the government of our country gives out "gifts" with a generous hand.
    And no one will return royal gold to us.
    The USSR could "ask" Japan from Japan, the Russian Federation - no, unfortunately.
  46. -1
    10 March 2013 08: 09
    On the subject of debt cancellation: I don’t remember exactly in 2009 or 2010, but there was a big article that Russia wrote off some 700 million dollars of debt to some African country. But the cancellation mechanism was tricky. At the state level, they announced the cancellation of debt Debt obligations for 1,5% of the amount were transferred to some financial company, and there, in turn, these obligations were put forward for 5% in the global financial markets, the international financial company bought up the debt obligations. As a result, everyone is satisfied - officials from the state ministry who worked until The fact that they got rid of the headache of debt was naturally not for the company. The company that sold the debt got a pretty penny, and those who bought this debt also didn’t stay in the way, because for the debts they got the opportunity to demand from the Africans what you want, and they know how to take their own, not our good wishes. That's only the budget of Russia got 0, a garden vegetable of tenths of a percent. That's such arithmetic. The scandal was started to be covered in the Russian press, but somehow quickly turned the topic. Yes and Misha 2% are also like that sinned by schemes.
    1. Jan Radium
      0
      19 December 2013 20: 59
      So apparently they did and do with all the "debts". This is called: "Profanation of the social labor of the population of the Russian Federation"
  47. Jan Radium
    0
    19 December 2013 20: 57
    In this forgiveness of debts, one cannot but see the greed of officials of the Russian Foreign Ministry. It's time to initiate Criminal Cases to identify kickbacks for each debt forgiven. Although these gentlemen provided for everything. There is no such article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. am
  48. 0
    22 February 2016 18: 16
    Rights up.
    I think that writing off Russia’s debts of many of our economic opponents is a betrayal of the political elite (government) of the Russian Federation and the economic interests of the state. Do not forget about the omission of the citizens of Russia to get more benefits (if these loans were not taken, and the money was spent on the internal development of the national economy). It is very likely that this was done for bribes to government officials.

    The economic benefits for high-tech export industries are negligible. And even concrete successes, for example, cancellation of the Libyan debt, on the basis of which the implementation of road construction projects, etc., was started there (2008), brought substantial losses instead of profit, because in 2011, the government supported the elimination of Libyan statehood.

    There are a huge number of such examples, and not even one of them even exceeded the amount of revenues from Russian enterprises for the indicated amount of write-offs, not to mention such a thing as net profit.
  49. 0
    10 July 2019 10: 53
    When part of the Irkutsk region went under water, the Mongols quietly, without any fuss, took and sent two consignments of humanitarian supplies: flour, meat products, warm blankets and things. In Ulan Bator, a headquarters has been set up to raise funds for the injured, and children's camps are ready to accept up to one hundred children for the purpose of relaxation and acquaintance with the culture of this ancient country. Without a pump. Without high-profile statements on international platforms. Just done. Just by old friendship.

    Therefore, when we talk about friends and allies of Russia - yes, we can recall the French Resistance; the Italian Messina keeps the memory of Russian sailors who were the first to come to the aid of a city dying from an earthquake, a bust of Admiral F. F. Ushakov was installed on Greek Corfu ... But for some reason, Russia sees real help, brotherly help, neighborly only from Mongolia . For which simple human thanks to them.


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