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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine purchased Russian 30-mm guns 2А42

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According to the magazine "Arms Export", in 2012 it was executed in its own way historical contract for the supply of Russian 30-mm automatic guns to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. Delivery took place in February 2012. They were mounted on BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles, which were available at two operator training centers for BMPs, since the Ukrainian 30-mm cannons, ZTM-1 and ZTM-2, had only been tested at that time and were being prepared for serial production, and the Ministry of Defense Ukraine experienced an acute need for these systems. The Ukrainian side noted the speed and willingness to cooperate with the Russian contractor of this order.

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine purchased Russian 30-mm guns 2А42

30-mm automatic gun 2А42


The bmpd blog has learned the details of this contract The manufacturer of these artillery systems, JSC AK Tulamashzavod, purchased the 24 2А42 cannon with spare barrels totaling several tens of millions of rubles. It should be noted that due to the fact that Ukraine is not a member of the CSTO, it cannot buy Russian weapons at “domestic” prices, therefore this contract was concluded through the mediation of Rosoboronexport OJSC - thus, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine had to pay a significant commission to the Russian exporter .
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  1. leon-iv
    leon-iv 26 February 2013 11: 41
    -13
    Wangyu Bugurt.
    By sabzh, well, they bought it and Cho, although in LJ Fedya burns the same gray gelding.
  2. Kaa
    Kaa 26 February 2013 11: 41
    +32
    Note that due to the fact that Ukraine is not a member of the CSTO, it cannot purchase Russian weapons at "domestic" prices, so this contract was concluded through the mediation of Rosoboronexport - thus, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine had to pay a significant commission to the Russian exporter ...
    Well, how many additional arguments still need to be brought by our self-styled people in favor of integration - well, a stupid one would have understood, a blind man would have seen the light - no, they bend their Galician line, and then - "give it up for poverty, we are not local, our pocket was ripped off with a grenade!" Ugh!
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 26 February 2013 11: 44
      +14
      so respected, if there is integration, then after all they will not be, they also built the whole ukrastvo as Russophobia
    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 26 February 2013 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: Kaa
      "apply for poverty, we ourselves are not local, we have a pocket

      How to "submit"? I constantly hear, they say, come to the West, look in what luxurious houses we live and compare with the east. Are the rich served?

      And why do they need an alliance? They are already well fed and protected.
      1. opkozak
        opkozak 26 February 2013 12: 22
        +4
        Speak the truth, good lord!
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 26 February 2013 13: 16
          +1
          And if I show you pictures of Russian cities now, you won’t get too dirty? Moreover, Kiev is more than completely made of govnosovkovyh tasks, and in the USSR it was beautifully built only under Stalin. This is not a topic where you need to measure pussy. Bought and bought further what, which everyone cares?
          1. morpex
            morpex 26 February 2013 20: 46
            -3
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            And if I show you pictures of Russian cities now, you won’t get too dirty? Moreover, Kiev is more than completely made of govnosovkovyh tasks, and in the USSR it was beautifully built only under Stalin. This is not a topic where you need to measure pussy. Bought and bought further what, which everyone cares?


            leon-iv (7) Today, 11: 41 new
            -12 Wangyu Bugurt.
            By sabzh, well, they bought it and Cho, although in LJ Fedya burns the same gray gelding.

            Yoshkin Cat (7) Today, 11: 44 ↑ new
            14 is so respected, if there is integration, then after all they will not be, they also built all the ukranstvo as Russophobia
            Why is this article so enraged with Russian banderlogs? They come straight out with saliva .... Rejoice at the guys that they sold us, and not somewhere to future enemies like China ...
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              Alexey Prikazchikov 27 February 2013 00: 23
              +1
              Marine what has not yet reached you ?! Me on their idiots like FSUs, but the trouble is that these are our pri ... And we will deal with them ourselves. In fact, they bought and bought, then what? Well done, then the Sun is doing business if the resource of the guns is spent. I'm glad for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but I'm not going to deploy the holivar because of the "mega-contract of the century". And yes, finish off the topic g .. but throw.
        2. Focuser
          Focuser 26 February 2013 13: 32
          +3
          The video about Kiev was very impressive! I wanted to visit this city
          1. Barmen
            Barmen 26 February 2013 19: 34
            +3
            He lived there for three years. Beautiful city. I advise. good
        3. WW3
          WW3 27 February 2013 02: 13
          +4
          This is a promotional video on the occasion of Euro 2012, combed by 4 host cities ... was in Kiev saw everything with my own eyes ... in real life, of course, not everything is so rosy
          it’s not difficult to find in the vast expanses the anti-advertising of this action, and shot by whoever you thought - Americans AssociatedPress bully
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SBI8bSR2Ew
      2. vilenich
        vilenich 26 February 2013 12: 51
        +14
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        How to "submit"? I constantly hear, they say, come to the West, look in what luxurious houses we live and compare with the east. Are the rich served?

        Yes, you look at the statistics and budget of Ukraine! In the West, almost all regions are subsidized, and they live off of the regions of eastern Ukraine. Houses are built for pennies, which earn from Italians, Spaniards and others, taking out pots after them and doing all the dirty work.
        What to be proud of!
        1. Good man
          Good man 26 February 2013 13: 23
          +3
          Quote: vilenich
          Yes, you look at the statistics and budget of Ukraine! In the West, almost all areas are subsidized, but they live off of the regions of eastern Ukraine

          So you look. It is possible with reference to the state statistics service. What is the area in the top five subsidies?
          Quote: vilenich
          Houses are built for pennies, which earn from Italians, Spaniards and others, taking out pots after them and doing all the dirty work.
          What to be proud of!

          I also always wondered why toothless people live in slums in such rich regions of the east, and in cozy, beautiful houses in the poor west. Some kind of paradox. Maybe this is somehow connected with the fact that everything that is earned in the east is earned by the oligarchs ...
          And it also surprises me why people sitting in mines and kopanks think that they are taller than people who build houses or pick strawberries with tomatoes.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 26 February 2013 13: 40
          +4
          Quote: vilenich
          What to be proud of!

          KIEV RUSSIA !!!!!
        3. TRAFFIC
          TRAFFIC 26 February 2013 13: 46
          -1
          In Ukraine, all regions are subsidized, except for Kiev. laughing
        4. andsavichev2012
          andsavichev2012 26 February 2013 15: 21
          0
          Left bank and Crimea is Novorossia (historical region). They cut down to yandiya in 18g. The idea is German, they needed this region. The Bolsheviks agreed (the Germans had to work out the money). And so the Novorossians became eastern ami
        5. morpex
          morpex 26 February 2013 20: 42
          0
          vilenich,
          Quote: vilenich
          look at the logistics and budget of Ukraine! In the West, almost all regions are subsidized, and they live off of the regions of eastern Ukraine. They build houses for pennies, which earn from Italians, Spaniards and others, taking out pots after them and doing all the dirty work.

          Even if so ... But we are building, no matter what ... And you are kind to go beyond the MKAD. What you saw will surprise you. And believe me, not for the better.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 26 February 2013 21: 53
            +3
            Quote: morpex
            And you are kind to go beyond the Moscow Ring Road. What you see will surprise you. And believe me not for the better.


            I put you a plus for stubbornness.
            When such Jesuit arguments are heard in Ukrainian forums, and people cannot check, this is apparently considered a smart propaganda move. But what about those who regularly travel beyond the MKAD? Will you talk about the taste of oysters to those who eat them? By type of work, you have to travel to serious, working enterprises. Russia has made great strides in development in Siberia, the Urals, the Volga region, the South and the North. I was not in the Far East. Much depends on local authorities. Therefore, for example, the Kaluga region is developed comparable to the Moscow, and, for example, the Bryansk region back in the 90s.

            So I come from this Bryansk. In childhood, even under the USSR, he rode a bicycle to Sumy Sredinu-Buda, a Mikhailovsky farm. Then these cities seemed truly paradise to me. It was so much better there than in Sevsk. A few years ago, when we still had a house there, I took my sister home by train to Kiev, but we didn’t have time to Suzemka, we traveled along the paths to Middle Buda, and then to Mikhailovsky Khutor. Unpleasantly struck by the dramatic change. Not that Sevsk has become much better - see above. Mid-Buda, Khutor Mikhailovsky looked like killed settlements after some monstrous devastation. The abomination of desolation. How could one ditch such a flourishing country?

            It is surprising that in the household in the homeland, which came from a former collective farm, it was possible to find the Westerners, whom the locals called the Hutsuls, rather, as a nickname. It is a mystery to me that from such a distance they came there to earn money. Because, by Russian standards, this former collective farm is one of those that, apparently, is meant - "beyond the Moscow Ring Road" - the teetotalis run away. Because of the closest foreign places, a lot of people are working. Even patriots of Ukraine come across. Conclusion: living in any place in Russia is many times better and income is higher than in Ukraine. Unless, of course, one compares Khreshchatyk with the remains of the village "Krasnoe Umya", and the independent oligarchs with whips. And what to look at: the villages in Russia, which are already being built in a new way, or the remnants of old villages in which old women live without relatives.

            PS. The other day, we agreed to put quite expensive equipment in the seemingly God-forgotten Penza. A small private enterprise with simple-looking management and staff (there it is local) easily found the required number of millions under leasing. When the supply of similar equipment was discussed with a seriously looking uncle from Ivano-Frankivsk, the director of a still Soviet, in theory, large plant, he immediately started talking about used or leasing. Leasing, for example, can give a company from my bank. I tell him, they say, there are your fellow countrymen (by the way from the military), maybe that's why you will have a chance. - Sent, without even having heard the story about what it is about.
            1. Felix200970
              Felix200970 26 February 2013 23: 00
              +2
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              How could one ditch such a flourishing country?

              Over 20 years, promising specialists have been raised. We can share if that. Only you shouldn’t let them get closer to Magadan, but do not trust anything except a logger. Although you have your own specialists full. Only the country is a bit larger and the scope of the good is not enough for them laughing
            2. morpex
              morpex 26 February 2013 23: 51
              0
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              I put you a plus for stubbornness.

              To me, that’s plus, that’s minus. It doesn’t matter. I mean, have you really had better life in the last two years, it has become more fun!? If so, then I’m happy for you. Honestly. But on my trip from Moscow Before Brest two years ago, I watched the same picture as in any corner of Ukraine. Only we will have a cleaner. No offense, it's true., They aimed at the Euro marathon. And after heart-to-heart talks, over a glass with my friends who were former colleagues, on the periphery you have the same hopelessness. So, do not whistle me here Nikolai.
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              Zapadentsev, whom the locals called the Hutsuls, rather, as a nickname. What from such a distance they came to earn money is a mystery to me.

              And the Hutsuls, for your information, and during the time of the Union, shastali along the covens. The people are working, agree with me. And, what is interesting is plowing for your good and not stealing and not raping your girls like some of your fellow citizens.
              In general, each sandpiper praises its swamp. Only, I note, I treat your problems, unlike you, with understanding and without mockery.
              1. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. 27 February 2013 00: 27
                0
                Quote: morpex
                On my trip from Moscow to Brest two years ago, I observed the same picture as in any corner of Ukraine. Only we will have a cleaner one.

                You are just like Radishchev "Journey from St. Petersburg to Moscow". Only he is on horseback, but did you see everything from the window of the train or car and draw conclusions?

                I myself saw something in Ukraine, but in order not to be unfounded, I looked that they write in Ukraine about the cleanliness of the purest Ukrainian city, of course, Lviv.
                "Tourist Lviv smells of coffee and ... sewerage again" kp.ua/daily/310112/322527/
                "In Lviv, the stench hits the nerves, burns in the throat and causes a headache"
                www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/vo-lvove-von-bet-po-nervam-zhzhet-v-horle-i-prichinjaet-
                holovnuju-bol.html
                "The city council admitted that the bad smell in Lviv is caused by bad sewage."
                lvov-inform.ru/novosti/novosti-lvova/v-gorodskom-sovete-priznali-chto-ploxoj-zap
                ax-vo-lvove-vyzvan-ploxoj-kanalizaciej.html
                "Deputies of Lviv decided to rid the city of the smell of sewers"
                b2blogger.com/news/2121-deputaty-lvovskogo-oblsoveta-reshili-izbavit-gorod-ot-za
                paha-kanalizacii.html
                "Lviv needs 1 billion to fight the bad smell"
                newzz.in.ua/newzz/1148892120-na-borbu-s-nepriyatnym-zapahom-lvovu-nuzhen-1-mlrd.
                html
                Really?
                1. morpex
                  morpex 27 February 2013 00: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Nikolai S.
                  s just like Radishchev

                  Again with echidze .......

                  Quote: Nikolai S.
                  about the cleanliness of the purest Ukrainian city, of course, Lviv.

                  Since when is Lvov Etalon? I didn’t know. But in general, as a villager, I’m in any city in Russia, in Ukraine - everywhere is air with a shower ....
                  Quote: Nikolai S.
                  "Lviv needs 1 billion to fight the bad smell"

                  And then pure divorce. Grandmother plunder ....
                  1. Nicholas C.
                    Nicholas C. 27 February 2013 00: 52
                    0
                    Quote: morpex
                    Again with echidze

                    Why with a spite? What can be seen from the window of a train or car?

                    Quote: morpex
                    Since when is Lvov Etalon? I didn’t know. But in general, to me as a villager

                    Aren't you from those lands?
                    1. morpex
                      morpex 27 February 2013 01: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: Nikolai S.
                      What can be seen from the window of a train or car?


                      You can. Believe me ... I not only stared blankly, but also talked with people. Hence the conclusions. The problems are the same ....

                      Quote: Nikolai S.
                      Aren't you from those lands?


                      No, Kharkiv Oblast. Back to you ....
          2. Alexey Prikazchikov
            Alexey Prikazchikov 27 February 2013 00: 52
            +1
            Even if so ... But we are building, no matter what ... And you are kind to go beyond the MKAD. What you saw will surprise you. And believe me, not for the better.


            And what should be more surprising for me in Siberia? End your tales that only in Maskvabad and St. Petersburg there is life. You look for a start at least statistics on the commissioning of housing in the cities of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Very surprised, I will say this in my Krasnoyarsk more housing than in Kiev is being built, and that says a lot. But in other Ukrainian cities, besides western women, there is a very small increase in new housing. So there ... well. And yes, I repeat citizens finish throwing gamno off topic !!!!!
            1. morpex
              morpex 27 February 2013 01: 20
              0
              Moreover, Kiev is more than completely made of govnosovkovyh tasks, and in the USSR it was beautifully built only under Stalin.

              Alexey! Your phrase? And who the govnoser started here? So, that is not necessary from a sick head to a healthy ...
              1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                Alexey Prikazchikov 27 February 2013 01: 38
                -1
                And who began to upload pictures of their cities here, huh? !!!!!! And my phrase because the problem is the same for the entire post-Soviet space, for me personally, this is just another reason to hate the Communists.
                1. morpex
                  morpex 1 March 2013 02: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                  for me personally, this is just another reason to hate the communists.


                  I also don’t have much sympathy for them ...
      3. Polytechnic
        Polytechnic 26 February 2013 13: 36
        +2
        In the west they live on non-sickly subsidies and almost do not work in comparison with the east.
        1. slvevg
          slvevg 26 February 2013 17: 53
          +1
          In the western part of each family, one of the parents, or even entire families, works abroad, where many work even seven days a week. They drag money home to build a house, buy an apartment, a car or collect a start for a business. According to the NBU, foreign exchange earnings from Ukrainians working abroad through official channels in 2011 amounted to more than 7 billion dollars, which is 4.2% of GDP and is one of the main foreign exchange earnings in Ukraine. http://news.finance.ua/ru/~/2/0/all/2012/09/17/287635
          But many do not use bank transfers, but bring the accumulated money for the year when they go on vacation, so the statistics of the receipt of currency is far from accurate and underestimates the real data at times! I will say that there will not be enough subsidies from the state to contain any small social projects. People in the western regions have long spat on the government and are not waiting for a handout. There are no oligarchs, there is nothing to cut either. I did not observe the Donetsk banditry
        2. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 27 February 2013 00: 54
          0
          In the west they live on non-sickly subsidies and almost do not work in comparison with the east.

          How do you know this, but smart guy? What is better seen from Ukraine than from Siberia?
    3. Good man
      Good man 26 February 2013 13: 12
      +4
      Quote: Kaa
      Well, how many additional arguments still need to be brought by our self-styled people in favor of integration - well, a stupid one would have understood, a blind man would have seen the light - no, they bend their Galician line, and then - "give it up for poverty, we are not local, our pocket was ripped off with a grenade!" Ugh!

      It would seem that with 24 guns to the independence of Ukraine ... Who about what, and lousy about the bath. (C)
      Quote: Kaa
      Note that due to the fact that Ukraine is not a member of the CSTO, it cannot purchase Russian weapons at "domestic" prices, so this contract was concluded through the mediation of Rosoboronexport - thus, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine had to pay a significant commission to the Russian exporter ...

      I am sure that the commission was not so significant, since there are a lot of options where to buy:
      In addition to the Russian Federation, the 2A42 cannon is manufactured in Bulgaria (Arsenal Co), in India for the Sarath BMP (BMP-2), and in Slovakia for the BMP-2 licensed here as well.

      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 26 February 2013 14: 29
        -1
        What does it have to do with it. Independent can’t independently produce guns, although it threatens the whole world with its BTR-4.
        1. Good man
          Good man 26 February 2013 14: 41
          +5
          Quote: Avenger711
          What does it have to do with it. Independent cannot independently produce cannons,

          laughing You have a fad about Ukraine.
          The Somosti RF purchases ships, tank sights, and the Filin complex from France; Germany has satellites, armor, field camps; Italy has Iveco cars; England has sniper rifles. And do it yourself weak or what?
          Quote: Avenger711
          although it threatens the whole world with its BTR-4

          Eco sausages you .... lol
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 26 February 2013 16: 46
            +2
            By the way, yes, such questions are also raised here, though no one really knows what the Mistral is for us. But Iveco is already being sent. Felin has its own, is tested, etc. But where will Ukraine get the resources to create production?
            1. Felix200970
              Felix200970 26 February 2013 23: 09
              0
              Quote: Avenger711
              But where will Ukraine take the resources to create production?

              And they have not gone anywhere since the times of the USSR. Where they stood, they stand there. Even trying to produce something new
        2. Felix200970
          Felix200970 26 February 2013 23: 07
          0
          The BTR-4 is equipped with the "Module" complex. 2A42 are not included in the "Module" package. Although, I think the 2A42 cannon is one of the shortcomings of the BMP-2 precisely because of the whimsicality of the cannon for cleanliness that is impossible for the battlefield (after all, it was created for aviation) and the impossibility of fixing faults without leaving the car
    4. don.kryyuger
      don.kryyuger 26 February 2013 13: 37
      -2
      : They want a gay union, and NATO.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 26 February 2013 14: 18
        +6
        Quote: don.kryyuger

        : They want a gay union, and NATO.


        Want to be with you and be friends and do everything to belittle the Ukrainians and insult!
        Then you wonder why the Slav brothers do not want to be friends with you!
        You do not want friendship, but to be higher in this is your misfortune!
        Not all of course, but those who write like you and many of your politicians!
        1. morpex
          morpex 26 February 2013 20: 59
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          You want to be friends with you and do everything to belittle Ukrainians and insult! Then you wonder why the Slav brothers do not want to be friends with you! You don’t want friendship, it’s your trouble to be higher! Not all of course, but those who write how You and many of your politicians!

          Alibek! You said something that I always say here, trying to somehow influence the situation. But unfortunately, Russia now has such a policy, to humiliate Ukraine and its residents from the highest level and ending here on the site ... Nothing is so fun some members of the forum how to make fun of any news from Ukraine, whether it is good or bad. And the negative trend, unfortunately, is slowly growing. What can you do, a new generation has grown up - Ivana, they don’t remember kinship. Ukraine or China is on the drum. ......
      2. andsavichev2012
        andsavichev2012 26 February 2013 16: 01
        +1
        Right !!! You guessed it, colleague !!! Moreover, Little Russians and Westerners can’t get used to it - they are either Poles, then Austrians, then Tatars, or Cossacks ... and all their gays are completely
    5. Egoza
      Egoza 26 February 2013 13: 39
      +3
      Quote: Kaa
      no, bending their Galician line,

      Yes, they are generally insolent !!!!!
      There is no need for the rearmament of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia, since it should be withdrawn from the Crimea and Ukraine after the 2015 of the year. This was stated by the deputy head of VO "Freedom", MP Andrei Mokhnik.
      “The Black Sea Fleet of Russia should be withdrawn from Ukraine, and its stay on the territory of our state after the 2017 year is illegal, in view of the Kharkov agreements adopted in an absolutely criminal way,” Mr. Mokhnik said.
      He said that the Black Sea Fleet’s stay in Ukraine could be extended only subject to amendments to the Constitution, and this requires 300 votes, “of which, of course, the button presses who ratified the Kharkov agreements didn’t have.”
      “There can be no talk of re-equipping the Russian Black Sea Fleet, and after the 2015 year, when the next president will take office, I believe the issue of withdrawing the fleet will be finally decided,” Mr. Mokhnik concluded.
      http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/224758
      xxxxxxx
      One hope is that if they accept a visa-free regime, they will all run to their Europe, and they will stay there! I even put a red carpet on their bed for such an occasion !!!!! am
  3. domokl
    domokl 26 February 2013 11: 45
    +2
    And you friends, no matter how you sit down ... So far, Ukraine has only paid a little for the independence ... but serious contracts will still be needed ... So ... wait, sir
  4. pa_nik
    pa_nik 26 February 2013 11: 46
    +3
    "... due to the fact that Ukraine is not a member of the CSTO" (C), we have to fork out. Either they don't agree on gas, or the guns are exorbitant. When will it end ..!? divide us all divide .. Worse from such a situation for everyone. It seems that they only understand this on topwar laughing and from the authorities - silence ... or mutual reproaches. Zadolbali! hi
  5. avt
    avt 26 February 2013 11: 50
    +6
    “According to the journal“ Export of Arms ”, in 2012 the historic contract for the supply of Russian 30-mm automatic cannons to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine was fulfilled in its own way.” --------- laughing Only the more historic and heroic repairs of the newest submarine Zaporozhye are cooler. “It's really a miracle, it’s a miracle, you can say it rightly!”
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 26 February 2013 12: 08
      +4
      Quote: avt
      Only the more historic and heroic repair of the newest submarine "Zaporozhye"

      Nope! Ishsho more abruptly was the cry all over Ukraine that the whole NATO would change to the An-70 and that Turkey would stock up on Kharkov "Yatagans", even under the NATO model of the gun they were going to buy in Switzerland. About aircraft carriers - I'd better keep silent ... crying
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 26 February 2013 12: 37
        +3
        it’s normal to buy from the Swiss; they have high-quality tools. If you remember, for the Pakistani contract they wanted to buy Russian guns, but the Russians refused ... Something that Europeans are buying in Ukraine.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 26 February 2013 14: 30
          0
          Russians with India quarrel worthless.
          1. Aeneas
            Aeneas 26 February 2013 19: 09
            +2
            Russia sells Pakistan helicopters and engines for the Sino-Pakistani fighter.
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas 26 February 2013 12: 43
      +1
      I don’t understand your irony in Zaporozhye. Is it bad that there are already TWO submarines on the Black Sea in Ukraine and Russia? The same type of Gorky Komsomolets of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, has been in the dock since the time of the Union, but everything continues to be listed in the Black Sea Fleet.
      1. avt
        avt 26 February 2013 14: 31
        +1
        Quote: Aeneas
        but everything continues to be listed in the Black Sea Fleet.

        So where to go then? request If you write off, then there will be one which everyone will redo from time to time, and a new, different project will simply not be allowed into Sevastopol. And they did not settle the update of the ship's crew. Yushchenko’s dream that sooner or later the ships will be cut, and the new ones will not be allowed into Sevastopol, will come true.
        1. Good man
          Good man 26 February 2013 14: 45
          0
          Quote: avt
          , another project simply will not be allowed into Sevastopol

          Novorossiysk is. And they build a base there, so there would be a boat ...
  6. Aeneas
    Aeneas 26 February 2013 11: 52
    +6
    Great sensation! Ukraine sells a lot to Russia under defense contracts of components for aircraft, shipbuilding, etc. So why can not Ukraine buy Russian weapons systems?
    1. Pharao7766
      Pharao7766 26 February 2013 11: 59
      +5
      So no one forbids, and even welcomes this cooperation.
      The thing is that Ukraine could pay less (for everything) if it were in the CU.
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 26 February 2013 12: 30
        +1
        Russia, too, could pay less if Ukraine had a ball in the TEEC wink
  7. pa_nik
    pa_nik 26 February 2013 11: 55
    +2
    Quote: Aeneas
    So why can not Ukraine buy Russian weapons systems?


    And for gas - you have to pay ... bully
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas 26 February 2013 12: 31
      +4
      Germans pay cheaper for Russian gas feel
  8. 1946095andrey
    1946095andrey 26 February 2013 11: 57
    +1
    I served in 2008, was a gunner so we had such old fluffs that they were torn apart and crippled by the crew during firing. I thank God only a machine gun burst my face burned.
    1. black_eagle
      black_eagle 26 February 2013 12: 39
      0
      Where have you served this way?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 26 February 2013 12: 46
        +5
        Probably the Life Guards Semyonovsky Regiment, gunner.
    2. vilenich
      vilenich 26 February 2013 12: 56
      +2
      Quote: 1946095andrey
      I thank God only a machine gun burst my face burned.

      And in more detail you can, very interesting! What is it that you need to do with a machine gun to tear it apart!
      Our guys also turned the dispute out of the blue on a hammer. wink
      1. morpex
        morpex 26 February 2013 21: 10
        0
        Quote: vilenich
        And in more detail you can, very interesting! What is it that you need to do with a machine gun to tear it apart!



        I’m also interested ... We argued Kalash on the subject of continuous firing bursts. I don’t remember exactly, 27 years have passed, but somewhere on the fifth horn he started to spit and the barrel started ... but that would break! Is that in the trunk to drive something ....
  9. IRBIS
    IRBIS 26 February 2013 12: 13
    +5
    ... purchased 24 2A42 guns with spare barrels
    The contract of the century! The value is very difficult to overestimate! Oh, sorry I didn’t find out such news before; I could raise another toast on 23. Very happy for both sides. Some simply scalded, others - armed to the teeth ...
  10. Roomata
    Roomata 26 February 2013 12: 16
    -5
    in the future it is planned to purchase giant titanium toothpicks for the giants of the sons of Ukraine to evil dwarf Russophiles
  11. Akim
    Akim 26 February 2013 13: 16
    +1
    since the Ukrainian samples of 30 mm guns - ZTM-1 and ZTM-2 at that time only passed the tests and were preparing for serial production

    I don’t know about the reality of this contract, but the fact that 3TM guns have been coming to Thailand for several years is a fact. What preparation for mass production ?!
  12. demon ada
    demon ada 26 February 2013 13: 59
    +1
    I think the resonance was the same if the Russian Federation bought tanks from Ukraine
    just this fact suggests that in Ukraine, not everything is as cloudless as we would like for some comrades who are not comrades to us.
  13. Good man
    Good man 26 February 2013 14: 11
    -1
    Quote: demon ada
    just this fact suggests that in Ukraine, not everything is as cloudless as we would like for some comrades who are not comrades to us.

    This fact only says that the foreign customer of Ukrainian armored vehicles wanted exactly the new guns and it was Russian-made. We have our own new ZTMs delivered from our Soviet shafts in warehouses to Thailand.
  14. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 26 February 2013 16: 06
    0
    [quote = Nice person] foreign customer [/ q
    About the foreign customer in the article there is nothing at all. but in general - well, bought and bought. some have weapons, others have money. all is well. not very clear notes of gloating in some comments.
    1. Good man
      Good man 26 February 2013 16: 35
      -1
      Quote: Olegovi4
      nothing about the foreign customer in the article

      And this is the only explanation for why the MO urgently (!) Such a small batch of trunks. And this in its own production ...
  15. Vadimber
    Vadimber 26 February 2013 16: 22
    +3
    Do not quarrel, the Ukrainians were, are and will be our brothers and sisters.