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Scandals in the Russian education system: what troubles do “lime peels” treat

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The education system in any state is the face of the state. You can hang any labels on power, you can fully gratify the power, you can wipe your feet about it and put it in the status of an icon, but all this will be a relative and transitory phenomenon, depending on the work of the authorities themselves, and on public conflicts. It remains absolute how much the state is ready to develop the educational system and translate into reality the idea of ​​the productivity of education itself, how ready it is to support the acquisition of basic and professional skills of an effective character by the young generation. And the fact that an educational environment that is developed and ready for productive production of professional personnel is an indicator of the maturity and health of the state and the public - a fact that is difficult to dispute.


I would like to start with chanting the existing educational system, with how effectively this system itself is managed today, how accurately it meets the needs of not only the market, but also society in the preservation and development of its moral foundations. I would like to ... However, unfortunately, there are no objective reasons for this. I want to believe that not yet ...

But how not? - the reader may say. Have there been positive trends in our education system: for example, the introduction of a unified system of passing the state exam, which allows school leavers from the provinces to enter prestigious Russian universities, an increase in the number of educational institutions themselves (especially the higher education level). Has not the number of scientific personnel been able to act as a driving force of the economy and work to raise the level of culture of Russian society in recent years?

Indeed, everything seems to be great. Reports show that anyone, even in a region remote from the center, can easily enroll in one of the best universities in Russia if he has enough points in the Unified State Examination, and if there is no kilometer line of so-called educational benefit recipients in front of him.

According to the statistics, the number of scientists of various degrees and degrees in the Russian Federation is growing every year. In just one year, on average, about 2,5 thousands of doctoral and about 22 thousands of PhD theses are defended in the country. Starting from the middle of 90, the number of people receiving a scientific degree began to grow annually, demonstrating, apparently, how favorable the conditions for the development of science in our country have become. Now in the country, apparently, there is no such municipality or legal office, in which the Ph.D. or Juris Doctor would not be seated ...

Together with the number of happy holders of scientific degrees, the number of universities in Russia grew. To those high schools that for decades produced truly professional staff, hundreds of higher education institutions were added with highly dubious programs, the almost complete lack of necessary teaching aids and guidance that have no idea about the real employment statistics of the specialties obtained for their own graduates. Why not have? Because statistics actually turns out to be such that graduated economists, lawyers, psychologists and sociologists in the overwhelming majority of cases have already fulfilled their mission in this world - they got a “crust” about higher education. And when answering the question: how are they going to dispose of this very "crust" in the future - they often shrug their shoulders and say something like "useful" ... Maybe it will come in handy ...

As a result, the Russian education system has become increasingly similar to a large soap bubble, which is perceived relatively beautiful only at some distance, but in reality it is a very ephemeral substance that is ready to burst and dissolve in the air in an instant.

Obviously, everyone understands that this cannot continue. We need effective mechanisms that would allow peeling the wheat from the chaff and show us a new educational system that meets social and economic needs. But where are today such mechanisms to take, if for a couple of decades of educational destruction, only stone axes have remained as a controlling toolkit ...

But they need to do something, and they set to work ... They took it, as it should be - rolling up their sleeves. They decided to start with checks in the area that directly related to the assignment of scientific degrees to applicants. The scandal, it must be admitted, broke out grand. It was announced that the Higher Attestation Commission (HAC) had turned into a get-together, which at a reasonable price gave off “fake” crusts to literally everyone who wished for it. The councils in various universities of the Russian Federation, endowed with the right to assign scientific degrees, often turned into a kind of tool through which a certain circle of people (from the bureaucratic apparatus, by the way, also) sought to obtain prestigious academic titles for themselves.

There are several hundred thousand rubles in my pocket and in my heart - the desire to turn into a candidate of science - please. And if there are hundreds or thousands of dollars, then it is possible to wipe the defense of the doctoral program ... Why not? ..

Candidate of philological sciences Svetlana T.

Two years ago I became the owner of the diploma of the candidate of science. The idea that after the 4 years of work at the Russian language department you need to get a degree by all means, suggested the head of the department. He motivated me quite simply: if you don’t start working on obtaining a Ph.D. degree, you are unlikely to keep yourself at the university - optimization and all that ... Hinted that he could become my supervisor. I understood that you need to listen to these words, because the prospect of being left without work in 30 for years warmed me a little ... I started training. Preparing a great job, collecting the necessary materials literally throughout the country. It happened that in one week I had to “travel” from St. Petersburg to Stavropol, return to the university and at the same time also give lectures to students. Time is sorely lacking.

Suddenly, a member of our university approached me and said that he had heard about my troubles and was ready to help — help in such a way that it would not be necessary to collect materials and negotiate with the editors-in-chief of scientific journals about the publication of my articles. At the same time, he clearly stated that, supposedly, even with the demonstrated diligence on my part, it’s not a fact that the dissertation council, in which he has the honor to work, will come to a positive decision on my question ...

I understood the hint and replied that I would think about his words. She herself was aware that she was quite ready to master the work, as she was also aware of the fact that there is a risk of simply “falling over” at the final stage of defending her dissertation. In the end - decided. Through one of the secretaries, I was asked to transfer 154 thousands of rubles (why 154 thousands are the ones I still don’t understand) to some account, which, as it turned out, belonged to the university fund for supporting young scientists. Apparently, this amount was a guarantee of my (as a potential young scientist) support from the dissovet ...

As a result, for me, working days are in the past. I was announced that the author's abstract with the data on my “publications” was already ready, and I found out about a positive decision even before I came to the defense. When I got acquainted with “my” author's abstract, then, to be honest, I barely kept myself from not bursting out laughing ... Although funny, in fact, it was not enough ... The author's abstract showed publications of my articles in journals, which I did not even hold in my hands. I tried to find magazines with publications in the library, on the Internet, but the same secretary-intermediary declared to me that it was pointless to do this, because in most cases it was a “linden”. As it turned out, in nature there is not only some of my published articles, but even the issues of the journals themselves, for which they are “assigned” in the abstract. So I got the degree of candidate of philological sciences - quite inexpensive by Russian standards ... Where did the amount I contributed go? I guess ...


Question from topwar.ru: Svetlana, you admit that you received your degree in fact illegally. Are you ready to abandon it and make public the names of those persons who have mastered the earnings on the assignment of scientific degrees? After all, by and large историяWhat happened to you is not just one of the sides of corruption in education, but also the most real blackmail towards you.

Svetlana T.: Yes, I understand perfectly well that my degree went far from me, as the law requires. And you, obviously, understand perfectly well that they do not like truth-bearers in our country ... I think this: over time, this hype will subside around the “lime crusts”, one or two will be punished, perhaps even criminal. And then everything will be back to square one. Yes, I could give the names of those whom I told, I could ask you about the publication of my name and data about the university where I work, but I’m just afraid of my fate. I am sure that if all the names, passwords and appearances are named by me, it’s not a fact that a large-scale trial will begin. They will say: she provoked the dissovet, she transferred money herself ...

I will say one thing for sure: we are not the capital here, we have our own local education-controlling groups or even clans who managed to organize a business well. In general, as they say, God is high, far to the king. Shy-covered ... We work, we study, we learn. Often it is very peculiar ... By the way, my “crust” really saved me from contraction. Since September last year, optimization of our employees has gone through ... Well, how can I refuse such happiness (smiles)?

Meanwhile, the scandal at the Moscow State Pedagogical University is gaining momentum. On the website of the university "hangs" announcement that the head of the department of history of the Moscow State Pedagogical University, Professor Alexander Danilov, was relieved of his post. The dismissal of a professor is connected with his activity in the very scandalous dissertation council, which, according to a certain circle of people, was engaged in stamping out "fake" candidates and doctors of science.

Danilov himself does not recognize his guilt in misappropriating academic degrees. He declares that if in some works the presence of plagiarism is revealed, this does not mean at all that the applicant of a scientific degree “ripped off” the dissertation from third parties. According to him, today there is no clear regulation on how much borrowing can be used from other sources, which means that the work of the council in this regard is not regulated.

Alexander Danilov also answers the question of how data on publications could appear in the author’s abstracts of a number of applicants either in non-existent issues of journals, or even completely fake articles. According to Danilov, only here the dissertation council D212.154.01 (at the Moscow State Pedagogical University) made a mistake. The professor blames himself that, as the head of the council, he did not ask applicants to submit originals of scientific publications with articles published in them. According to him, D212.154.01 specialists believed those prints from magazine pages with corresponding footers. In fact, according to Alexander Danilov, these unscrupulous companies could deceive the applicants themselves, declaring that their articles in journals would be published, providing even reprints of pages, but then did not fulfill their promises.

Even if you believe Professor Danilov, it still turns out that the work of dissertation councils in Russia is ineffective. Obviously, it needs to be improved. Another thing is that people who work in dissovet at Russian universities, carry out their duties solely on a voluntary basis. And what “public beginnings” is, and how altruistic the thoughts of a person should be, so that he would be ready to enthusiastically understand his dissertation without paying his work by the state - this is a separate question. Obviously, this is fertile ground for corrupt activities, which some use for their own purposes, while others become victims of third-party corruption proceedings, as, for example, ordinary employees of the same dissertation councils. As they say, the wood is chopped, the chips are flying ...

To date, the Ministry of Education has published a final report on the state of affairs in the D212.154.01 dis-council, and also provided a list of persons recommended for deprivation of a scientific degree. The list included such people as Andrei Andriyanov, director of SSCC Moscow State University and chairman of the student union council of Moscow State University, Daniyar Batrashev, human rights ombudsman in the Astrakhan region, Arshak Akopyan (general director of Alpoil), deputy director for educational work of Ufa State University of Economics and Service Rail Bikbayeva , Fanil Gabdulkhakov (holder of 2-s diplomas of higher education, formerly a senior account manager of one of the Ufa banks, now unemployed - publishes his resume on the job search website. 26-year-old Gabdulha he did not forget to indicate in the summary that he is a candidate of historical sciences ...) and a number of other gentlemen. The versatile talent of the same Mr. Gabdulkhakov is simply amazing: a bank clerk, plus a candidate of historical sciences. It is a pity not yet pilot-cosmonaut and honored art worker of Russia ...

Such an education system ... Change, no doubt, is necessary. But only the concern is that the changes and various modernizations have been strangely sharpened in recent times. And then, you see, they are modernizing so that not only the “gabdulhakovs” will get under the hot hand, but also those who really stand up for the protection of the interests of an effective educational system.
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  1. leon-iv
    leon-iv 18 February 2013 09: 18 New
    +4
    And still to see statistics how many on technical disciplines, and lope on humanitarian)))
    1. Dinver
      Dinver 18 February 2013 09: 31 New
      +5
      I watched the interview, there are about 90% / 10% humanitarian / technical, most likely because the technical you can immediately see the person studied or bought / just visited.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 18 February 2013 09: 48 New
        +6
        I'm afraid to disappoint you, but this ratio has a much more trivial explanation.
        The first is that the staff turnover in technical technical councils is weak, and an elderly and decent person often sits there as chairman. For nefig! stop

        The second - sitting younger, but greedy - asking a lot.

        Third, and most importantly, the stereotype - technical dissertations are more complicated and they are banally afraid. Because the population is not on friendly terms with mathematics.
        And thank God! yes
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 18 February 2013 11: 11 New
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          Quote: Iraclius
          Third, and most importantly, the stereotype - technical dissertations are more complex and they are banally afraid

          Quote: Dinver
          approx. 90% / 10% humanitarian / technical

          Allow to supplement.
          Fourth - political science, pedagogical, social, legal sciences - this, I do not want to offend anyone, but mostly blah blah blah .... But technical, physical education, chemistry, medicine - show the result - a valid sample, program, new substance, new medicine, new operation - everything can be touched, see, i.e. evidence base and implementation available.
          Пятое - поинтересуйтесь, в каких науках можно получить международные и российские гранты - опять, только в разделе "БЛАБЛАЛОГИИ" - налицо тенденция торможения исследований в РЕАЛЬНОЙ НАУКЕ, дающей экономический эффект. Это уже БОЛЬШАЯ ПОЛИТИКА.
          1. Iraclius
            Iraclius 18 February 2013 11: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: Kaa
            Allow to supplement.

            Yes always please! hi
            Grants - yes! yes This is another way to cheat in science. Remember my words - soon a wave of tearing of covers and from these frauds will go. And how much is interesting there ... wink
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 18 February 2013 12: 36 New
              +6
              Quote: Iraclius
              And how much is interesting there

              Плавали, знаем. Поэтому и "грантуется" то, что нельзя "пощупать" - развитие обчества, современные вызовы, перспективы развития и прочая фуфлотень... hi
              1. Aleksys2
                Aleksys2 18 February 2013 14: 07 New
                +5
                Quote: Kaa
                Поэтому и "грантуется" то, что нельзя "пощупать"

                Interestingly, and they will give a grant for a new technology for removing glands?
                Название: "Термическая тонзиллэктомия автогеном per anus"
      2. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 18 February 2013 22: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Dinver
        approx. 90% / 10% humanitarian / technical

        Ну точно о такой пропорции не скажу, но когда я учился в "N-ском Государственном Техническом университете", наш завкаф как то сказал, что университет превратился в N-ский гуманитарно- технический. Когда мы спросили почему, Преподаватель ответил, что развели гуманитарных кафедр... И если лимит университета в 20 кандидатов в год ранее никогда не выполнялся (защищались пять...семь человек в год), то теперь лимита не хватает, и "гуманитарии" обратились в ученый совет ВУЗа, что бы им ещё выделили кандидатские квоты за счёт "технарей". Это был 2001 год. Представляю что сейчас твориться...
    2. domokl
      domokl 18 February 2013 09: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: leon-iv
      still would see statistics on technical disciplines, and lope on the humanitarian)))
      And the point? Most of these phony candidates and doctors do not work in science and education ... Just because you can immediately see the oak tree ...
      You just need to eliminate the degrees of those who are not engaged in scientific or teaching activities ...
      1. Armata
        Armata 18 February 2013 09: 53 New
        +8
        Quote: domokl
        You just need to eliminate the degrees of those who are not engaged in scientific or teaching activities ...
        Hello to all. Alexander. I, too, have not been doing science for a long time. Purely practical activity. That is, I also need to pick up a candidate? I’m not sorry, I will give, from him exactly 0. But on the business card, the candidate of technical sciences looks very cool. It seems to me that it is not necessary to select, but a tougher approach to the evaluation of dissertations. More carefully consider the topic, tighten the rules of protection. Previously, God forbid 1% could defend themselves with 5 times, but now only each 4 is wrapped not by knowledge, but based on the financial side of the issue.
        1. Iraclius
          Iraclius 18 February 2013 10: 07 New
          +2
          I believe that it is necessary to cut the number of rotten dissets by an order of magnitude. Spend a year on accreditation and everything will fall into place.
          В оставшихся советах нужно чётко контролировать количество защитившихся. Сомнительные работы смело отправлять на "чёрного оппонента". Приоритет в присуждении степеней нужно отдавать педагогическим и научным кадрам, т.е. тем людям, которые реально решили связать свою жизнь с наукой.
          Something like that.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 19 February 2013 04: 22 New
            -2
            Quote: Iraclius
            I believe that it is necessary to cut the number of rotten dissets by an order of magnitude. Spend a year on accreditation and everything will fall into place.

            One such wise guy renamed the police into the police.
            1. Iraclius
              Iraclius 19 February 2013 08: 17 New
              +3
              Less to you. I do not consider myself a wise guy. But the fool also understands that the dissertation council, in theory, producing 300 candidates of science a year - what kind of pipeline is this? And how many are there in Russia?
              And where does the police and the police? Nothing more to say? lol
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 19 February 2013 18: 07 New
                0
                Quote: Iraclius
                Less to you.

                Enjoy it!

                Quote: Iraclius
                I do not consider myself a wise guy. But the fool is clear

                That is, do you understand?

                Quote: Iraclius
                What is a dissertation, in theory producing 300 candidates of science a year - what kind of pipeline is this? And how many are there in Russia?

                How many are there in Russia?

                Quote: Iraclius
                And where does the police and the police? Nothing more to say?

                Well, for those who are not able to draw analogies, I will explain.
                The militia / police are not given here because things are bad there. Our business in any field is unimportant. But because the police turned into the police, having undergone a reform similar to the one you propose.
                Была проведена аттестация сотрудников, по результатам которой численность сотрудников сократилась на 20%. По окончании реформы Рашид Нургалиев заявил: "Вот там, за моей спиной, в прошлом, остались взяточничество, злоупотребления служебными полномочиями, коррупция и весь негатив, нет его сегодня". Потом известные всем события в Казани и, как следствие, отставка министра. Пришли к тому, с чего начинали.
                You want to do the same with education. The result will be the same, that is, zero. Or even negative. The Soviet system of scientific degrees will be canceled, the process is already underway and this article confirms it. Instead of two tens of thousands of candidates of sciences, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of masters and tens of thousands of doctors of sciences of the level of modern candidates of sciences will appear. The market size for diplomas and degrees will increase significantly. This is what your proposal will lead to.
        2. leon-iv
          leon-iv 18 February 2013 10: 37 New
          +4
          Previously, God forbid 1% from 5 time
          Candidate?
          Dactor IMHO easier to pass. Although, judging by my university, they try not to go to doctoral studies before 40 years. Tk we require publications.
          1. Armata
            Armata 18 February 2013 10: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: leon-iv
            Candidate?
            Yes. Previously, many wrapped up for revision, as an undisclosed topic.
            Quote: leon-iv
            Dactor IMHO easier to pass. Although, judging by my university, they try not to go to doctoral studies before 40 years. Tk we require publications.
            And there is. But the doctrine is much less people trying to protect, the volume is different.
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 18 February 2013 11: 14 New
              +2
              unsolved topics
              Well, yes, especially when a lot of research is going on.
              Although our university is technological with this easier.
      2. Frigate
        Frigate 18 February 2013 09: 55 New
        -5
        Quote: domokl
        And the point? Most of these phony candidates and doctors do not work in science and education ... Just because you can immediately see the oak tree ...
        You just need to eliminate the degrees of those who are not engaged in scientific or teaching activities ...

        I agree, otherwise they come out: Academician Fomenko, Academician Slavolyubov, Academician Chudinov, Academician Petukhov, Academician Levashov
        1. Iraclius
          Iraclius 18 February 2013 10: 50 New
          +2
          Фрегат, тут дело не в диссертациях. Сами эти т.н. липовые "академии" нужно ликвидировать. И лишать звания "академик". Знаете, часто бывает и так, что умный человек своим трудом защищает диссертацию. Потом, спустя какое-то время, в голове у него что-то щёлкает и он начинает нести полную околесицу. Что же, теперь из-за таких убогих лишать степеней всех остальных? Их не лишать, а лечить и изолировать надо. Даже жалеть, блаженных.
          You know, it happens that a person defends his dissertation himself, works in his specialty, and then he is thrown out onto the street. Or he leaves, because the family needs to be fed, but you can’t earn money at the research institute of stone chambers.

          ***
          I didn’t set you a minus. hi
          1. Fornit
            Fornit 18 February 2013 11: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: Iraclius
            Сами эти т.н. липовые "академии" нужно ликвидировать.

            И не только академии... Гляньте в ящик - там каждый второй выступающий с глубокомысленным видом директор какого-нибудь "института", а посмотришь в бумаги - оказывается директор ООО "Институт ски.пи.дара". Так можно всем директорами институтов стать...
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 18 February 2013 12: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Most of these phony candidates and doctors do not work in science and education ...

        If new methods are developed in the dissertation on education, then you just need to provide the opportunity for this applicant for protection to work at the school-institute and to show in practice how his methods work. I assure you, the number of applicants for a degree will decrease dramatically! tongue
  2. artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 18 February 2013 09: 21 New
    +8
    Real education disappeared along with the collapse of the USSR, something remained, but these are crumbs. And even trying to trample it.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 18 February 2013 12: 42 New
      +9
      Quote: artist-mamluk
      Real education disappeared with the collapse of the USSR

      Bring back the Soviet education system !!!!! am
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 18 February 2013 17: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Bring back the Soviet education system !!!!! am

        Do not return. They are afraid to show their failure.
      2. washi
        washi 20 February 2013 02: 00 New
        +1
        Namely, Stalin. We have not enough workers.
  3. domokl
    domokl 18 February 2013 09: 23 New
    +4
    Russia has always been distinguished by a huge number of candidates and doctors of science who have not added anything to science ... There are many doctors, but few scientists ...
    There is exactly the same state of high and high school ... There are many diplomas and, accordingly, people with them, but you will not find specialists in the afternoon with fire ...
    Slaves must be highly specialized in order to not be able to understand the essence of the political and economic system ... Our liberals, alas, have achieved a lot in this regard
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 18 February 2013 09: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      Slaves must be highly specialized in order to not be able to understand the essence of the political and economic system ... Our liberals, alas, have achieved a lot in this regard

      А кого конкректно вы имеете в виду под прозвищем "либерал"?Реформатора образования Фурсенко?Но как можно,он же с Путиным с 1991 года вместе,он советник президента сейчас?Какой же он либерал?Или они вместе с Путиным либералы?
      1. Armata
        Armata 18 February 2013 10: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: baltika-18
        Or are they liberals along with Putin?
        Greetings, Nikolay. And what not? Not liberals at all? Is the desire to become the emperor of all Russia and at the same time think of her poor least of all these not liberal plans?
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 18 February 2013 12: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Mechanic
          Greetings, Nikolay. And what not? Not liberals at all?

          Приветствую,Евгений.В том то и дело,что ещё на заре своей карьеры Путин заявил,что он "является последовательным приверженцем либеральных ценностей".А что это за ценности многие уже давно поняли.
    2. piterkras
      piterkras 18 February 2013 10: 03 New
      0
      You do not stick your servile habits on others. Do you like to be a slave, then where are the others?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2013 10: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: piterkras

        You do not stick your servile habits on others. Do you like to be a slave, then where are the others?

        Did you write this to whom?
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 18 February 2013 17: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Did you write this to whom?

          It seems that it’s just aired ... Another cost to the new education system.
    3. Iraclius
      Iraclius 18 February 2013 10: 12 New
      +3
      Знаменитая поговорка "Учёным можешь ты не быть, но кандидатом быть обязан" тоже родилась в СССР. В оправдание советской системы хочу заметить, что там такое количество специалистов высшей квалификации было оправдано - экономика была ориентирована на ВПК, а в наукоёмких производствах всегда была потребность в грамотных людях
      And many of them honestly worked in design research institutes. domokl, do not offend people - not everyone is given the opportunity to discover a new physical law. But someone needs to work on an experimental setup and process the research results. hi
  4. Iraclius
    Iraclius 18 February 2013 09: 24 New
    +2
    But they didn’t surprise you! Do you think that only yesterday they began to fake diplomas of higher educational institutions and academic degrees? No, not yesterday. Forged the whole history of new Russia. Why? Because I don’t want to study, but I need to have a diploma. For a career, for solidity, because of the stupid vanity in the end. Demand gives rise to supply, and with the current level of development of printing, not that can be bungled.
    And, in fact, why harp? Associate Professor at a provincial institute earns about 15 thousand rubles He will write a candidate for any crook for a modest reward. True, no one can guarantee quality. lol Hence the plagiarism. Another misfortune is that crooks are lazy and far from always even bother to read the dissertation purchased. Well, okay, in the Higher Attestation Commission, mortals are also sitting, not without their mortals and weaknesses. Huh? wink

    Throwing the Russian education system from extreme to extreme over the past 5 years is beginning to bear its bitter fruit. request What to do? I think that it is necessary to start with lengthening the terms for revising the results of the defense of dissertations. Caught on fraud - deprivation of the degree and a ban on engaging in pedagogical, scientific activities with the obligatory stigmatization of the media. good

    ***
    Thanks to the author! I think the article is interesting, but I have not read it. hi
    1. Fornit
      Fornit 18 February 2013 11: 34 New
      +3
      There, it seems, it relies on an extra area for a degree ... How can I not mention this aspect?
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 18 February 2013 12: 11 New
        +1
        Yeah! From 15 to 25 sq.m. put on the office. But to teachers. Those. give not for the degree, but for the position. wink
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 18 February 2013 12: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Iraclius
      Do you think that only yesterday they began to fake diplomas of higher educational institutions and academic degrees? No, not yesterday. Forged the whole history of new Russia.

      И СССР тоже. Зарисовка- "на заре туманной юности" беру в Ленинке автореферат одного диссера из Еревана - в списке работ - "1 статья принята к публикации" - а диссер то уже защищен!
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 18 February 2013 12: 55 New
        +1
        Under the USSR, VAK articles were not required to defend a candidate’s.
        Это потом уже ввели - не менее двух для кандидатской. И не менее 6(10? Не помню уже) для докторской. Хотели как лучше, а получилось...Оказалось, что публикация статей - архиприбыльное дело, вот так вот и полезли из всех щелей "Корчеватели" и те, кто их пропускает за мзду в печать. Скоты. Дискредитируют остатки нашей науки.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 18 February 2013 13: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: Iraclius
          Under the USSR, VAK articles were not required to defend a candidate’s.

          I’m not talking about VAKs, on average there were 5 guidelines, at least articles, at least abstracts, at least practical methodological recommendations. But PUBLISHED! No law has been written for Yerevan ...
          1. Iraclius
            Iraclius 18 February 2013 13: 50 New
            0
            Ah, I got it. yes Well, this solely rests on the conscience of the dissertation council and its chairman - VAK physically cannot verify the reality of publications.
  5. Alikovo
    Alikovo 18 February 2013 09: 32 New
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Russia has always been distinguished by a huge number of candidates and doctors of science who have not added anything to science ... There are many doctors, but few scientists ...
  6. Iraclius
    Iraclius 18 February 2013 09: 42 New
    +4
    Светлана Т. какие-то ужасы рассказывает. 154 тыс.р. за лобби совета - это на уровне фантастики. Около 100 тыс.р. сама работа, "кирпич". стоит. Плюс столько же на защиту. Плюс столько же на организацию "пира Аристотеля" в ресторане и подарки. Итого - около 300 тыс.р.
    Those. fools pay in the most literal sense. You, my dear, got off cheaply. In fairness, I note - Ph.D. - This is garbage and should cost really cheaper. what

    ***
    В нашем педуниверситете тое недавно была эпопея с кандидатскими. Ректор грозился всех "неостепеннёных" выгнать. Потом присмотрелся, а 99% - пенсионерки уже и махнул рукой - хватило здравого смысла! yes

    And I’ll raise the mood for respected colleagues. wink
    So, the preamble. A few years ago, a group of students at the Massachusetts Institute using a special computer program wrote a pseudoscientific article. This year, Russian scientist, Doctor of Biological Sciences Mikhail Gelfand translated the original article by American students into Russian using the Stage-3 program developed at the Institute for Information Transmission Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences. The article received a positive review and for a small fee was published in the "Journal of scientific publications of graduate and doctoral students."
    After the fact of the hoax became known, the Higher Attestation Commission removed the magazine from its list.
    This is how our newly misters gentlemen pseudo-scientists are published.

    The text of the article itself is “The Rooter: An Algorithm for the Typical Unification of Access Points and Redundancy” .http: //www.scientific.ru/trv/2008/013/korchevatel.html

    Attention!!! For the faint of heart, please do not read - a belly button may be unleashed! lol
  7. Z.A.M.
    Z.A.M. 18 February 2013 09: 52 New
    +6
    Get to know -
    "Феликс Шамхалов, глава ВАК. Самый главный человек для ученого мира — именно его подписи стоят на приказах о присвоении званий кандидата или доктора наук, профессора или доцента. В нашем представлении этот ученый муж должен быть человеком кристальной честности, серьезным авторитетом для учителей, научных сотрудников и чиновников, для интеллигенции и простых людей от станка. Увы...
    In 1996, at the age of twenty-eight, a decisive businessman from Dagestan suddenly became the editor-in-chief and soon the general director of the Publishing House “Ekonomika”, whose main asset at that time, of course, was not literature on economics, but an impressive building.
    Felix Shamkhalov a scammer? What else, according to Vnesheconombank:

    “In 2006, Vnesheconombank provided a loan to Zarechye-2 LLC for the construction of a residential complex in the Odintsovo district of the Moscow region. The project has not been implemented, which jeopardizes the repayment of credit.

    Due to the failure to fulfill a number of obligations under the loan agreement in November 2012, Vnesheconombank asked the borrower to repay the debt in the amount of more than US $ 170 million.
    That is, seven years ago Zarechye-2 LLC (Shamkhalov at that time was one of the owners of Zarechye) took a little money (some 170 million "green") for the construction in a very prestigious place of elite housing. But there is still no housing - no elite, no other. At the site of future houses, only a pit.
    And the career of Shamkhalov-scientist at that time went uphill. In 2007, he becomes deputy director Rosobrnadzor and the chief scientific secretary of the Higher Attestation Commission, begins to oversee the issuance of academic degrees and degrees in the country. And last year, Felix Imiraslanovich was completely appointed director of the department for the preparation and certification of scientific and scientific-pedagogical workers of the Ministry of Education and Science, chairman of the Higher Attestation Commission! Do you understand? Shamkhalov is the most powerful figure, he is responsible for the training of Russian scientists!
    Shamkhalov graduated from the Moscow Commercial Institute, and for some reason he defended himself at St. Petersburg State University of Economics and Finance. In his dissertation "The interaction of business and government. Questions of theory and practice, ”he highly praised the staff of this university. Both in the list of references, and in quotations continuous "SPb UEF". But this is not the most interesting. In conclusion of the dissertation, Shamkhalov exclaims pathetically: as long as corruption continues - “These are only flowers! The berries are such that at all times it was, is and will be the main source and guarantor of the criminalization of public life. It is no accident that the ancient Romans, wise by their own deplorable experience, included in this concept such a capacious content: bribery - spoilage - decline !!! ”
    Kompromat.ru 8.02.13
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 18 February 2013 10: 16 New
      +1
      I don’t want to even delve into the affairs of this disgrace! I want to spit and grind. Phew, what an abomination. And they made a mockery of VAK. recourse
  8. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 18 February 2013 09: 55 New
    +5
    Article is good, thanks to the author !!!
    Education is a sore point. There were bribes under the USSR, just not on such a scale, and the consequences were much more serious.
    It is necessary to fight corruption and crime in the country in general, and not just in education, otherwise we will not achieve anything.
    If my will would introduce the death penalty. He stole more than a million - a period of 1 month for damages and with a percentage, returned - get 25 planers and fuck off, but did not return - a noose around his neck and cord (there is too much honor to a bullet). And now, in fact, the patriots are in prisons, and thieves are blowing their fingers with snot bubbles in bubbles - in law go.
  9. piterkras
    piterkras 18 February 2013 10: 00 New
    +2
    If there is demand, then there will be offers. A lot of people in the country want to amuse their FAC and to shred the crusts of candidates of sciences. So these crusts will be bought further. For nothing personal is only a business.
  10. Xtra1l
    Xtra1l 18 February 2013 10: 19 New
    +2
    ! Need a spanking exponential
  11. Larus
    Larus 18 February 2013 10: 20 New
    +2
    Until teachers of different stripes are deprived of the right to engage in teaching work, after they get caught in a bribe, even before that, nothing will change. And when they know that the punishment is not worth the couple of thousand that they offer, then the offer itself will come to naught. I don’t think anyone will want to, having studied at the institute as a teacher, + having released a couple of works, lose all this and be nobody.
    Plus, it’s not a secret for anyone (except for Putin) that all government officials who have a degree have bought this degree and have done everything for them and few have done anything.
  12. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 18 February 2013 10: 29 New
    +3
    In our country, candidates and doctors are distributed left and right, I won’t be mistaken if I say that we have candidates and doctors as uncut dogs. There is no use only from them. All this is a continuation of the same bureaucratic corruption, nothing more.
  13. UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 18 February 2013 10: 36 New
    +6
    Higher education is not literacy. This is now more like a tradition. Now many organizations are tied to universities. Now the main thing for universities is not graduation, but to recruit the more people the better. Last year, a classmate received a second higher education - not for knowledge but for a career, but at the same time even considers the simplest calculations on a calculator. Now they do not keep ideological teachers in universities - they scare away clients with their integrity. Now they receive education for the tradition, mostly girls try because it is at least some incentive for hiring, it is more difficult for women to compete in the labor market.
    Физический труд сейчас не в почёте - сейчас главное торгашество и выгода, а на качество плевать. И не важно, что выпускник ВУЗа делает в слове "жуй" три ошибки - зато у него есть диплом о высшем образовании... круто! ((
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 18 February 2013 10: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: UrraletZ
      Now they do not keep ideological teachers in universities - they scare away clients with their integrity.

      Plus, UrraletZ. yes
      Such teachers are not held. The system itself begins to burp them, in which they, in fact, must work.
      Moreover, teachers are now completely defenseless against slander.
      Does not put an mark in the mark - you need to slander. And the persecution begins. Cases - the sea.
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 18 February 2013 17: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: UrraletZ
      Higher education is not literacy. This is now more like a tradition.

      It depends on where to measure it. Take, for example, engineer Shukhov ....
  14. ism_ek
    ism_ek 18 February 2013 10: 54 New
    +3
    Plagiarism is very easy to detect. It is enough to skip the electronic version of the dissertation through a special computer program.

    I don’t see anything terrible in a dissertation for money if it is a really honestly written dissertation. Such a dissertation is not worth 300 tr at all. This is a serious work of the whole team, which is loaded with work for several years.

    Theses in our country are defended in order to receive an increase in salary and deferment from the army. The salary of an unprotected teacher is simply insignificant.
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 18 February 2013 11: 00 New
      +4
      Oh well. Surcharge in 3000 p. for a candidate of sciences - a drop dead drop! good
      I will not remind you how much an unskilled worker receives in order not to laugh at all.
      Alas, in most cases this is a status, plus a way to climb into higher managerial positions, where there is the opportunity to skillfully manipulate budget money. Well, you get the point ... wink
      1. piterkras
        piterkras 18 February 2013 12: 26 New
        +2
        You tell this hoe more. The main incentive for obtaining a candidate of science is pride and the desire to show off in front of friends and relatives. The second highest is exactly the same nonsense bought: the main thing is to pay money.
      2. ism_ek
        ism_ek 18 February 2013 18: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Iraclius
        Oh well. Surcharge in 3000 p. for a candidate of sciences - a drop dead drop!
        Plus a supplement for the post. The dissertation raises the salary approximately twice.
  15. Renat
    Renat 18 February 2013 10: 58 New
    +2
    Since everyone, parents, children, teachers suffer from the unfortunate exam, why not cancel? But no. To abolish is to admit your mistake, to disobey patrons. The same thing is happening in universities. Well, where did we get so many institutions from? Shouldn't the gifted study there? We all study there. Of course, who has the money. And it’s not necessary to attend a lecture. And at the output we have what we have.
  16. Magadan
    Magadan 18 February 2013 11: 09 New
    +4
    The Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Health just need to burn red hot figs! That's exactly where the hotbed of orange liberals, and even corrupt in Russian.
    Про образование всем давно все ясно, во всех городах творится беспредел, Магадан не исключение. А вот в медицине вообще так устроено, что бабло отдашь, еще благодарен будешь. У моего друга родился ребенок и ему надо было по состоянию здоровья анализы сдать. В поликлинике в очередь на анализы поставили, но сказали, что через 2 месяца будут готовы. А ему ждать нельзя!!! В конце концов "добрый участковый врач" под "большим секретом" сообщил, что можно сделать за один день. Но за полторы тысячи. Друг тут же согласился. Самый прикол, что анализы делаются в одной и той же лаборатории. Так приятель еще и рад, что его вот так вот как лоха медицина обула
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 18 February 2013 12: 27 New
      +4
      We do not have communism, but capitalism. You have to pay for everything. Nefig was at the time of the USSR to collapse. Reap the rewards.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 18 February 2013 17: 31 New
        0
        Quote: piterkras
        Reap the rewards.

        You have to reap. Sorry for you guys.
  17. mike_z
    mike_z 18 February 2013 11: 12 New
    +8
    Статья несомненно хорошая. Но для этого сайта не хватает одного - анализа ВОЕННОГО образования. И если наше "гражданское" высшее образование просто претерпевает "трудности переходного периода", как, впрочем, и вся страна, то военное образование, на мой взгляд, просто убито насмерть. Вы вспомните СССР: дипломы военных (во всяком случае инженерных) училищ признавались на Западе. Даже потенциальный противник считал, что в военных ВУЗах преподавание всё же неплохое. Кроме того, нас ещё и подчиняться учили, ибо без этого командовать, мягко говоря, не получается. Что видим теперь? Это же просто ужас какой-то! Лейтенанты-механики даже энергетических установок по специальности не знают почти. Какая уж тут наука? Офицеры на Руси всегда отличались образованностью и воспитанностью, а не только выправкой. Всё, что изложено в статье несомненно коснулось и высшей военной школы, но только в значительной мере сильнее. ИМХО.
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 18 February 2013 11: 24 New
      +4
      mike_z, military education and science are killed. It is bitter to realize, but it is. We stay afloat solely thanks to the colossal reserve that was obtained during the mighty USSR. request
      Only here you will not wait for the official data on the collapse of military education and science - this will be such a nonsense! No.
      1. UrraletZ
        UrraletZ 18 February 2013 12: 21 New
        0
        Education and science are killed by the permissiveness of receiving these goods. A lot of people graduate from universities even more illiterate, before receiving education. A lot of young students are graduated not by patriots, but by puppets in the hands of the opposition, the main thing is not to benefit the country (to work in government agencies or in the army or the police), but to cut loot.
      2. mike_z
        mike_z 18 February 2013 20: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Iraclius
        It is bitter to realize, but it is. We stay afloat solely thanks to the colossal reserve that was obtained during the mighty USSR

        I completely agree and understand. I’ll even say more - we don’t know, because there is no one to learn from! No, there are undoubtedly people who are very well versed in military education. These are high-level professionals. Only to whom are they known? These are not media people, and therefore, whatever they say, they simply will not be heard by those who are supposed to hear and listen by their status. And about the bulk of the people in general I am silent. And I would like brawls, by the way he will. And those who are currently in the 8th grade will benefit from this scandal!
  18. sams
    sams 18 February 2013 11: 52 New
    +2
    About a year ago, I came across statistics on the number of issued state-issued higher education diplomas.
    I was surprised that in comparison with 1990 (the USSR, including the Union republics), in the Russian Federation in 2011. was more than in three! times more graduates.
    And for the first time this exceeded the number of graduates of secondary schools!
    In the USSR there were about 300 universities. By 2011, their number in the Russian Federation grew to 3600 !!!
    This is a complete zvizdets!
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 18 February 2013 12: 28 New
      -4
      It has long been in the United States to introduce fully paid education and medicine. And do not care.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 18 February 2013 12: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: piterkras
        For a long time as in the USA it is necessary to introduce fully paid education

        Как ни странно - не сработает для получения КАЧЕСТВА! В США студенты буквально зубами выгрызают знания, ибо если не сдал зачет/лабораторку, то повторно нужно сдавать за деньги. А преподаватели тоже хотят получить дополнительно, поэтому, чтобы студент пришел еще раз - гоняют его по вопросам и в хвост и в гриву. А у нас получилась совершенно иная картина. "Я вам (вузу) заплатил за образование, значит вы мне ОБЯЗАНЫ диплом выдать, без всяких знаний" И ведь выдают! (особенно "частные вузы").
        1. piterkras
          piterkras 18 February 2013 15: 10 New
          0
          For good money, the citizens of our country will study normally, and not just for the session. Yes, and they will act not outrightly, but purposefully. With paid medecine, service will be better than with free (proven by private clinics).
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 18 February 2013 17: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: piterkras
            medetsine

            Are you treated for the money of your parents?
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su 19 February 2013 04: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: piterkras
            For their own money, the citizens of our country will study normally, and not just for the session.

            You have never been a student or you have been very brainwashed by liberal slops. Or both.

            Quote: piterkras
            Yes, and they will act not at random, but purposefully

            Да какая целенаправленность в 18 лет? Жизненного опыта нет, вместо мозга гормоны. Разве что сферу деятельности выбрать: буду учить, лечить, летать... А вот выбрать целенаправленно специальности "геодезия и кадастр" или "электроника и автоматика физических установок" как то не очень легко...

            Quote: piterkras
            With paid medicine, service will be better than with free (proved by private clinics).

            if all clinics are private, then everything will be as in free. Now the advantage of paid medicine is that far fewer people are paid to be treated and the doctor can spend much more time on the patient.

            Do you have so many mistakes in your text that you studied for free? Also five in Russian, probably? laughing
        2. mike_z
          mike_z 18 February 2013 20: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          for if you didn’t pass the test / laboratory, then you need to take it again for money.

          In addition, in a civilian university, all work is sent to an electronic professor. He runs them through a certain program for coincidences with the Internet and if there are more than 10% of these coincidences, then everything, kayuk to this student, will never give up anything and will fly out of the university. And, the most interesting, not a single teacher will come to the brain not to expel the student’s work through this program! The information is accurate - from the daughter of my friend who dumped there 11 years ago. She graduated from UCLA in Los Angeles, fell into these millstones herself, but somehow proved her innocence. I don’t know how.
  19. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 18 February 2013 14: 02 New
    +2
    Oh well. Surcharge in 3000 p. for a candidate of sciences - a drop dead drop!

    Indeed, little money, if you do not know what kind of salary the teacher has. The son at the end of the medical university remained a teacher at the department. A teacher with a salary of 5200 per month (dirty). This is the teacher’s salary at HIGH SCHOOL !!!! Writes a Ph.D., summer defense. We hope that it will turn out, because otherwise you will have to leave work, although he likes it. So tell me who will seriously engage in student learning and scientific work at universities. People are simply forced to enter the business upon graduation. But knowledge is not a business, and medicine should not be a business. We broke everything and there is nothing to be surprised at.
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 18 February 2013 15: 12 New
      0
      He stayed in graduate school only in order not to go to the Army. Spent 3 years on bullshit. It is very likely that in general he will not pass for the candidate. Che, couldn’t he have earned an unapproachable disease in 5 years or paid for a white ticket? While someone already at work receives the next position, your graduate student takes a penny. And work experience remains low. Deserved it.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 18 February 2013 16: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: piterkras
        He stayed in graduate school only in order not to go to the Army.
        But do you not seriously consider a person’s desire to engage in science? Moreover, since he graduated from medical school, he would have had to serve in the hospital.
  20. Begemot
    Begemot 18 February 2013 14: 12 New
    +4
    We must start from scratch to grow a generation that will not know anything about a freebie. Then the officials will be hardworking and honest, and the doctors and teachers will be qualified and decent. Today the problem will not be solved, I myself know about a dozen two candidates of science who, perhaps, had a hand in their work, but outsourced most of it. You can, for example, introduce a citation index: if no one turned to a scientific work for 5 years and never used the materials of a dissertation - to deprive a title, if no other was written to develop a dissertation - the same thing if the topic has not found application in science or production - there too. About 30 years ago, it was necessary to prove that the work deserves an assessment by the bison of science, who were not a gram interested in replenishing their ranks. Today, the academic title has lost its former meaning, and the crust of the candidate or doctor has turned into confirmation that the necessary formalities for obtaining them have been completed, and the scientific value of the work is sideways.
  21. cumastra1
    cumastra1 18 February 2013 14: 42 New
    +3
    Вообще - то во всем мире существуют "почетные доктора наук" - официально, при большом стечении народа дают докторскую степень самым крутым спонсорам. Почему нам так не сделать? Все равно ведь платят. А ответ прост. На официальные деньги - официальные расходы. А здесь прямиком в карман. Коррупция сэр! Короче разгонять шарашкину контору по ПТУ, набирать новых людей. С нуля.
  22. pechv
    pechv 18 February 2013 16: 12 New
    +1
    All recent events are like a well-staged show with exposure and triumph of justice.

    Вопрос в том кто будет разбираться и обязательно наказывать. Думается мне, что все пойдет по стандартному русскому сценарию: "Наказание невиновных, награждение непричастных". Тут бы осмотреться, подумать. Ан нет - сразу и рецепты, от которых голова кругом.

    By the way, no one thought about who organized this business selling anonymous dissertation texts that are sent to the address of the state library. And the compilation of any lists - black, white - is all a smoke screen to promote certain ideas. We are discussing the visible part of the scandal here, but the true goals have not yet been revealed.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 18 February 2013 17: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: pechv
      true goals have not yet been revealed


      Decomposition of Russia - if all the places of leaders are taken by thieves, then there will be no knowing ones and there will be a complete dependence on foreign technology.
      Например ЗИЛ в Москве был набит блатными девочками и результат - "Бычок" и банкротство, а ГАЗ комплектовался людьми попроще и Газель удержалась. Но в целом многие отрасли потеряны.
    2. busido4561
      busido4561 19 February 2013 16: 03 New
      0
      Absolutely agree. All this is a show for the public and a smoke screen for the removal of eyes.
  23. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 18 February 2013 19: 21 New
    0
    The best medicine tablet 9 gr.
  24. Ermolaich
    Ermolaich 18 February 2013 19: 54 New
    +8
    Вторая сторона медали - студенческие защиты выпускных квалификационных работ (дипломов). Своим студентам всегда говорю, что диплом можно НАПИСАТЬ, а можно провести ДИПЛОМНОЕ ИССЛЕДОВАНИЕ: чувствуете разницу? Дипломы пишутся за полгода или максимум последний год обучения в вузе. Когда берешь дипломника со второго курса, то пройдя через курсовые, доклады, публикации студент осмысленно "выдает на-гора" настоящее исследование. Именно с такого старта начинается путь в науку и появляются настоящие ученые. Можно устроить массовые чистки, репрессии, можно без конца бороться с "халтурой". Но, видимо, настала пора за 10-20 лет выстроить структуру "взращивания" ИССЛЕДОВАТЕЛЯ. Кстати, в школах еще хуже - 99% т.н. исследовательских рефератов учащихся или пишутся учителями, или это сплошная кража чужого из 1-2-3 книг. Оттуда и вырастают "умники", которые строять мифы об Арктиде, Великой Скифии, Древнеславянском государстве возрастом 10 тыс. лет, опираясь не на ИСТОЧНИКИ, а на ЛИТЕРАТУРУ, даже не на научную литератттуру, а на сплошные перекрестые цитирования из всякой "популярщины". Если выстроить целостную ПОЭТАПНУЮ систему от учебного исследования с целью освоения основ методологии исследования к научному (цель - получение НОУ-ХАУ), то может быть(?) удастся сформировать презрение к краже чужого интеллектуального продукта. Да и Закон о защите авторских прав следует немедленно и реально распространить и на интеллектуальный продукт. Кража есть кража... Студенческие исследования ввести с первого курса в виде малых ВНИК по 3-5 человек под конкретные проблемы. Учеба в вузе должна быть в виде погружения в науку. А дипломные работы - только по внешнему заказу от работодателя (для решения реальных проблем сфер производства, институтов общества, права, обороны, бизнеса и пр.). Да-а, мечты, однако... А вдруг, кто нибудь из "продвинутых" чиновников от Минобра и науки мыслит и мечтает так же???

    So the addition to the above is requested ...
    Everything can be formed from scratch, a researcher, an enthusiastic scientist, but ... Experience in the profession for about 40 years, Ph.D., assistant professor of Higher Attestation Commission, Honorary Worker ..., more than 90 works and the rate - the result in the end is less than 20 thousand . rub. (from 15 to 18 thousand) That's it ... How to live, and even convince others ...
    1. mike_z
      mike_z 18 February 2013 20: 21 New
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      Quote: Ermolaich
      Experience in the profession for about 40 years, Ph.D., associate professor of Higher Attestation Commission, Honorary Worker ..., more than 90 jobs and the rate - the result in the end is less than 20 thousand rubles. (from 15 to 18 thousand) That's it ... And until we are enthusiastic ...

      After such revelations, they just drop their hands, I want to go to a tavern and get drunk ...
  25. Justme
    Justme 18 February 2013 20: 44 New
    +4
    Я разработчик и всегда воспринимал свои разработки как участие в неком состязании, своеобразный бой на специфичном ринге... Раньше было очень приятно сказать - ".. да, я "замочил" конкурирующего кандидата наук в своей разработке по техническим параметрам в 1.5..2.5 раза.."
    ..And it was really difficult (..and it's nice to achieve such a result).
    А сейчас - последнее такое состязание (причем это было в области программирования - там где молодежь традиционно чувствует себя уверенно) - я "замочил" молодого оппонента, кандидата наук, с 50-кратным перевесом..
    At the same time, I didn’t even get up in a combat stance (there is a set of approaches - they give very high indicators, but they are too laborious, .. and I used only simple solutions) ..
    But this guy is the brightest rising star in the horizon of our research institute - because now there is a tendency here - a complete replacement of the roster with young people ..
    .. And what all this will lead to is a question for a good discussion ..
  26. atalef
    atalef 18 February 2013 22: 15 New
    +2
    Communicating with many friends living in Russia and having children of my age (or older) Studying at universities. I have long had the beckoning that the system of university education in Russia (in 95%) universities is one big bullshit. I'm not saying that the number of these (with branches) in Russia is more than in the USSR by 10 times. I'm talking about the approach. They go to the university, that would not serve, without a university they can’t get a job in the district, although everyone knows that the bulk of education simply does not cost anything. Therefore, * blondes * breed by 23 years already with 3 towers. I ask from where? How ?
    I have a son to study at the Univer (Technion) in Israel, one of the best tech. Universities in the world. The first degree is 4-re of the year (Bachelor, this means that you are not a full engineer, roughly speaking) 2-th degree is still 2-year (not everyone can enter, but only graduated from the 1-th degree accordingly). Studying from morning till night, the level is crazy, half of the subjects in English, getting more education at the same time is simply not realistic, but in Russia you can see how they study at two not single-discipline faculties at all, how? They pass exams for grandmas - this is not a secret. Therefore, there are such specialists.
    What is going on?
    At our place, passing an exam for money is simply not realistic, and who will go? What kind of bribe should be offered so that a professor earning 80 - 100 t bucks a year would risk his place?
    I thought that in Russia this was happening at a lower level, now I see that they got to the dissertations.
    Where can science come from if * industry * is completely devoid of competition when a graduate student, even if he has seven spans in his forehead, gets the same degree. like Abdurahman who sold a flock of sheep.
    Everything rotted from top to bottom, wherever you spit, bribes and kickbacks. From schools, hospitals, universities, etc.
    Shame on a country that had one of the best education systems in the world. This year I’m going to St. Petersburg again (Polytechnic graduated 25 years ago). It will be interesting to hear what the professors (who is still alive) will tell. Although in principle. I don’t learn anything new and are unlikely to have changed compared to what was 2 years ago (on the last arrival)
    For me to enter the Polytechnic University (with an average score of ten years - 4.8 - it was not easy) Now? Everybody studies for grandmas.
    Yesterday, Medvedev announced the system, (The state will pay for studies on budget facts only if the future applicant agrees to go to work out according to distribution.
    JUST BURNING THIS IDEA FOR FREE EDUCATION,
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 19 February 2013 05: 34 New
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      Quote: atalef
      Yesterday, Medvedev announced the system, (The state will pay for studies on budget facts only if the future applicant agrees to go to work out according to distribution.


      At last! And then he mumbled everything - there is no reason, the constitution ...

  27. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 18 February 2013 22: 53 New
    +6
    About the general, we can say one thing:
  28. Saraev
    Saraev 18 February 2013 23: 25 New
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    Quote: atalef
    BURNING THIS IDEA


    In vain you are so inflamed
    State education elite is not necessary. They have where to teach kids.
  29. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 February 2013 00: 01 New
    +1
    Ну а фигли. Раньше перед учеными ставили цель, и они работали в ее направлении. Реальную цель, необходимую обществу. А сейчас это в основном "удовлетворение собственного любопытства за казенный счет". Стветствено и финансируетя это "удовлетворение". А если а гос.уровне начать ставить задачи с указанием сроков исполнения, то сразу будет виден реальный уровень научных коллективов.
  30. adolph1
    adolph1 19 February 2013 00: 23 New
    0
    Education is not that!
  31. AlexMH
    AlexMH 19 February 2013 00: 47 New
    +3
    Обидно, работал над диссертацией 6 лет, защитился честно в 2005 году (к.т.н.), сколько нервов потратил, а в ВАКе, оказывается, сидят и сидели такие вот гниды, как этот "Председатель", и штамповали липовые диссертации...И моя работа обесценивается, и позор просто читать все это....Все надо чистить, а кто будет? Пошумят и останутся в итоге депутаты и чиновники со своими "степенями" и орденами "За развал системы образования".
  32. From Irkutsk
    From Irkutsk 19 February 2013 04: 09 New
    +2
    Спасибо Алксею за статью!! Проблема есть, и она достаточно грамотно озвучена! Вспоминаю себя в студенческие годы. Учились по разному, кто-то хорошо, кто-то не очень. Преподаватели разные были, кто-то ну очень грамотный и разбирающийся в предмете, а кто-то просто преподаватель. Если взглянуть на проблему глазами студента, то картина будет попроще и понятней. Для тех кому нужны знания, и кто понимает зачем ему нужно образование, главное, насколько преподаватель сам разбирается в предмете и как он это знание может студенту передать. И конечно, слабый преподаватель, который видит в свой работе только источник дохода, который не "горит" на работе, который занимается этим делом поневоле - это беда для нашего студента и школьника. Но я не склонен сильно драматизировать данную ситуацию, не надо забывать что очень много зависит и от ученика и от его родителей, которые должны понимать зачем нужно образование, и должны неустанно трудится и повышать уровень своих знаний постоянно, ну а в помщь им есть библиотеки, интернет, друзья "отличники" ну и т.д. и т.п. Как говориться "Кто ищет - тот всегда найдёт!" Нормальная внутренняя мотивация студента на учёбу, это 98% успеха, ну а оставшиеся два процента это преподаватели, родители, друзья и всё остальное.
  33. busido4561
    busido4561 19 February 2013 16: 28 New
    +1
    Thank you for the article. Unfortunately, this problem exists not only in Russia, but also in the CIS countries.
  34. MP
    MP 19 February 2013 23: 14 New
    0
    Demand creates supply. Something I do not observe the construction of new plants and factories, the creation of new design bureaus, etc. I have many friends who have graduated from technical universities, but work as sales managers (and they do not regret it at all). Old enterprises collapsed, but no new ones. And where to go youth? Now it is fashionable to talk about the overproduction of lawyers and economists, but for some reason people who say this do not think about the reasons why young people choose these universal specialties. We also love officials at various levels to publicly complain about why none of the young people want to go to work as workers, and everyone wants to get an education :( Moreover, their children for some reason do not work as workers, but study in England or the USA.