Old rakes new privatization

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More than a couple of decades have passed since the beginning of the so-called first wave of privatization, which washed state property into the raging flow of the commercial sector, directed to the right direction for itself by a limited number of individuals. The individuals of the privatization wave were saddled to the full extent, and they were saddled so that it is still visible to the naked eye how well everything worked out for them and how unsuccessfully everything went for the rest of the country's population.

Two decades have passed, but even after their passing, the urgency of the problem of privatization in our country does not disappear. And there are objective reasons for this. One of the main reasons is that the overwhelming majority of Russians realize that they were deceived in the most trivial way, creating the illusion of participating in a large transfer of state property into private (that is, “their” hands). And if many people ascertain the deception, then a fair desire arises to punish the guilty and try to make sure that the future does not repeat the situation with a clear disregard for the interests of 143 with more than millions of citizens of the Russian Federation.

Why does the privatization problem, one way or another, manifest its urgency in our country? There are a number of reasons for this.

The first reason is that ordinary citizens on television screens and on print and electronic media still see the images of those “noble businessmen” who in the 90s of the last century managed to do everything to ensure that state assets miraculously privatized through their pockets and bank accounts. Moreover, these people are seen by the ordinary citizen not at all behind bars and not even in the dock of this or that Russian court. And he sees quite the opposite - who in an armored car with “cool” numbers, whom — on the shores of Foggy Albion in his own villa, reasoning about the fate of the Russian people and the Fatherland, and whom — in circles that are to some extent related to modern Russian business and politics.

Moreover, in this case, to the raising of eyebrows from that very ordinary Russian, the fact that the listed categories of persons are actually declared amnestied even if they managed to steal as much as the stars in the sky are visible to the armed eye during the first wave of privatization. This idea fits into a thesis that reads as follows: there will be no revision of privatization - this may lead to a destabilization of the situation in the country.

Here, you see, it is very strange ... As a revision of the results of privatization, it is immediately destabilization, and as there is no revision, everything will be fine - they’ll endure, they say, they will love ... But if there is some hint of destabilization when revising the results of the first wave of privatization, so the Russians are in the face of all these potential destabilizers know. A couple - in London, with a dozen - we (some even had a presidential election in one of the recent campaigns), there are several “prominent privatizers”, some of whom even seem to be at the head of the State Company services to the Fatherland ...

Strangely, the announcement of the unacceptability of revising the results of the obviously barbaric privatization of 90-s is also because for much smaller sins the investigating authorities here can dig the ground with more enthusiasm. For example, a certain hypothetical Vasya Tsutskin, who stole a copper disc from a privatized plant, will be brought to justice without fail, despite the fact that the plant itself, from which it “tsvetmet” pulled off, was at one time stolen from the state ... In general, with regard to a citizen Tsutskin's revision is more than possible (the return of the blank to the site, dismissal from work and the establishment of a criminal case), but with respect to the owner of the plant, you understand, it is not possible ... The state punishes the petty thief, but a thief of a large one is a priori amnestied. Logics…

The second reason is connected with the fact that a certain circle of people in Russia expresses ideas about the need for the so-called second wave of privatization. As arguments that should influence the public, the following are indicated:

firstly, it is necessary to get rid of the “non-working” (non-core) state property (somewhere we have already heard it; oh, yes - Oboronservis, it seems, was following the same path) ... Supposedly, getting rid of such property should reduce the burden of pressure on the state budget, and the private shareholder will force that very real estate to work on all coil;

Secondlya new wave of privatization will have to draw attention to Russia of powerful foreign investors, as well as develop a business climate inside the country;

thirdly, privatization-2 should contribute to the emergence of millions of new jobs.

Of course, the ideas just look great. Looked great ideas and twenty years ago ... The same thoughts: everything - for the good of the country, all - in the name of the people. It is even possible to reluctantly assume that individual individuals from among those who support the second wave of privatization think so. But only for obvious masochies ... uh-uh ... optimists are all the same forces that in their time had already drawn the right privatization line for themselves. They are both hands and for the second wave, and for the third, but at least one hundred and fiftieth ... Of course, everything will once again go exclusively for good. Just forgive, for the good of whom. Is it possible for the benefit of the average Russian, who for 20 has been feeling all the charms of the total sales of state property for years and is immensely happy about how lucky he was in his time to get a privatization check or to become a witness of a pledge auction ...

The ideologists of the new privatization wave often declare: friends, well, stop already falling into your pessimistic hysteria. Enough already! This time, everything will be taken into account, there will be no shortcomings, everything will be carried out solely by law. There will be competition, the cost of services will certainly fall, the number of jobs will grow, and everyone will finally breathe a sigh of relief, saying: eh, our heads are sleeping; in vain they criticized the new privatization plans.

However, the newest story countries often suggest that privatization mechanisms, perhaps only in one case out of ten, lead to positive moments both for the state’s economy and for raising the living standards of those people (not top managers, of course) who, with or without privatized production, otherwise related. One example is the restructuring of such a company as RAO UES of Russia. In 2000, the structure of the company was implied such that the package in 48% of the shares would be in the hands of so-called minority shareholders. No sooner said than done. It would seem that the presence of independent power producers should stimulate competition in the domestic market and lead to lower prices per kilowatt-hour. However, nothing like this happened.

At the same time, the case of RAO UES of Russia is far from being the most negative. At the beginning of 90's, enterprises were privatized according to the “voucher” method, according to which each of the citizens of the state could receive his “piece”. However, even when investing in privatization checks, people most often came across the real business carousel, when companies resold from one hand to another on 10 once a year, changed the name and details of bank accounts. As a result, Ivan Ivanovich, who invested his labor “voucher”, for example, in the company “Roga-hoof” after a couple of months, learned that such a company no longer exists, but instead there is another company - “Hoof-und-horn” and therefore Ivan Ivanovich could no longer count on any dividends there by definition.

And by the middle of 90-x began to act, let's say, a special privatization scheme in the form of the above-mentioned mortgage auctions. The point was that the state took loans from banks, and itself pledged certain property (an oil company or a metallurgical plant, for example). If the term of the loan expired, and the state did not have time to pay its debts, the property passed into the ownership of the banks. According to the results of such peculiar auctions, in just two months of 1995, 12 of the most powerful state-owned companies turned out to be privatized, and private owners got practically free of charge ...

No, of course, you need to immediately abandon the scattering of ashes on your head, and set yourself up in a positive way: “this time it will not happen again,” “this time nothing will happen again,” “this time it will not happen again,” thirty again ... But now I want guarantees - guarantees that the privatization mechanisms will not lead to a series of such Oboronservis, again realizing the "non-core" property through front companies with discounts and other personal benefits.

Well, how many are possible on the same rake ...
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  1. +15
    13 February 2013 09: 59
    the robbery continues. interesting, but the leadership is aware? when I was serving urgent, I argued with the clerk at the headquarters and he assigned me the rank of corporal without any problems. Hence, the conclusion is that someone submits information, and someone signs without looking. But this is even worse
    1. +15
      13 February 2013 10: 47
      Quote: kontrol
      the robbery continues. interesting, and the leadership in the know

      Do you mean Vladimir Vladimirovich? Otherwise, no. As for the fact that there will be no revision of the results of privatization, these are his words.
      1. +19
        13 February 2013 11: 45
        Quote: baltika-18
        "there will be no revision of the results of privatization


        Vladimir Putin considers the privatization of the 1990s dishonest. well (this is clearly visible in the photo)

        but excludes the possibility of revising its results. something like this, yes dishonestly, you were deceived, but it was necessary,
        1. +4
          13 February 2013 14: 14
          Ginger and lip-slap. Bad how they look.
          1. MG42
            +14
            13 February 2013 14: 27
            One in the photo cannot be called to account yet, the second stalker is still alive.

            Privatization = redistribution of the people's property created during the USSR period, in other words, a systemic “carve-up”.
          2. +2
            13 February 2013 18: 21
            Quote: valokordin

            Ginger and lip-slap. Bad how they look.

            Or siliter and whitewash
        2. +5
          13 February 2013 14: 15
          Quote: Vadivak
          Vladimir Putin considers the privatization of the 1990s dishonest. well (this is clearly visible in the photo)

          but excludes the possibility of revising its results. something like this, yes dishonestly, you were deceived, but it was necessary,

          Yes, Vadim. To agree with Putin on this issue means to recognize yourself as a kind of idiot. But to disagree with him means to recognize them all and himself, including crooks, because according to his statement, he covers these crooks. How to be? Are there any what else options?
        3. +1
          13 February 2013 21: 43
          About the photo. Sweet couple. They would then still be "married" to each other, pour the dough lightly, and in a geyrop for permanent residence. And "gomosyachili" would each other and not the country !!! smile
      2. +1
        13 February 2013 14: 13
        Quote: baltika-18
        Do you mean Vladimir Vladimirovich? Otherwise, no. As for the fact that there will be no revision of the results of privatization, these are his words.

        Question to whom rollback, who in proportion, announce the entire list please.
    2. 0
      13 February 2013 20: 24
      "and he gave me the rank of corporal without any problems. Hence the conclusion is that someone submits information, and someone signs without looking. But this makes it even worse"; and someone in the first month in the training course is awarded the rank of ensign .....
    3. Ruslan80
      +1
      14 February 2013 18: 21
      Of course, the guide is in the know, but most likely in proportion!
  2. Tatiana
    +9
    13 February 2013 10: 06
    but what is there to comment on all this is clear for a long time, probably again it is necessary as in 1917 in October, where Vladimir Ilyich was saved?
    1. +5
      13 February 2013 18: 48
      Quote: Tatiana
      probably again it is necessary as in 1917 in October,

      Oh, it's not for nothing that the Aurora is being repaired! lol
  3. djon3volta
    +13
    13 February 2013 10: 14
    who are interested, read.
    CIA Report on the USSR Economic Outlook 1982

    WHAT YEGOR GAYDAR was silent about
    In his latest book, The Fall of an Empire, Yegor Gaidar only casually mentioned the most important American strategic document, probably not understanding its significance for the entire system of Soviet-American relations. It is this "figure of silence" that makes us tell modern readers about the real assessments of the state of the Soviet economy, which are rejected by the economists of the "Chicago School" and the "Harvard Project."

    After the election of Yu.V. Andropov On November 12, 1982, the Secretary General of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the United Economic Committee of the US Congress requested from the CIA a report on the state of the Soviet economy, which "would present both its potentialities and vulnerabilities."

    the article is completely under the link.

    http://cccp-revivel.blogspot.ru/2011/08/1982.html
    1. Moritz
      +1
      14 February 2013 15: 00
      It would be interesting to read the CIA report on the prospects for the Russian economy (today). Or such an economy does not bother.
  4. predator.3
    +12
    13 February 2013 10: 19
    Who is in favor of the second stage of privatization? That's right LADIES, well, he can't wait to eat Gazprom and Rosneft!

    Rosneft should be completely removed from the direct control of the state by 2016. As RIA Novosti reports, this was stated by Prime Minister Medvedev. "The list also includes the largest energy and oil companies, very respectable industrial corporations, including Rosneft, which should be removed from the direct control of the state by 2016," Medvedev said, opening a government meeting that considers the changes in the plan for the privatization of federal property.

    Medvedev added that the amended privatization plan contains a list of shares of the largest companies that must be privatized by 2016. According to him, the draft decree provides for the possibility of full or partial privatization of Sovcomflot, Sberbank, VTB, United Grain Company, Rosagroleasing, Rusnano and Russian Railways.

    In 2011, the government offered to sell 100 percent of Rosneft shares by 2017, after the Kremlin set the task to expand the scale of privatization and include this company in the list of privatized companies. These terms were announced by the presidential aide Arkady Dvorkovich. "The government has proposed a complete withdrawal of the state from the capital of Rosneft by 2017," he said.

    Earlier, it was about the privatization of 25 percent of Rosneft shares in 2011-2013, while it was assumed that another 10 percent minus one share of the company could be used in asset swaps. By 2014, the government planned to reduce its stake in the company to 50 percent plus one share. Back in early June, Dvorkovich advised Medvedev to include Rosneft on the privatization list.

    According to the Minister of Economic Development Andrei Belousov, the government plans to receive about 300 billion rubles from privatization in 2012. "Privatization continues in 2012 with respect to about 300 enterprises and blocks of shares and 960 joint-stock companies. And taking into account the blocks discussed below, we plan to receive about 300 billion rubles this year," he said.

    In addition, at the meeting, the government approved an updated privatization program for the period 2011-2013.

    http://grani.ru/Economy/m.198240.html
    1. +6
      13 February 2013 10: 44
      Quote: predator.3
      Who is in favor of the second stage of privatization? That's right LADIES, well, he can't wait to eat Gazprom and Rosneft!

      As for Gazprom. There is nothing to privatize, it does not actually belong to the state. 38,37% belongs to Miller, 10,74% belongs to the state through OJSC Rosneftegaz, everything else is unknown to foreign shareholders who appear under the simple name "others." ...
    2. Fortnite
      +2
      13 February 2013 13: 26
      Well, without Rusnano, where are you? They didn’t forget - who is watching there? That's where the legs grow from there ...
      1. You can’t wash off a black dog
      2. How many wolves do not feed ...
    3. dedroid71
      +2
      13 February 2013 13: 52
      Cit. :According to him, the draft decree provides for the possibility of full or partial privatization of Sovcomflot, Sberbank, VTB, United Grain Company, Rosagroleasing, Rusnano and Russian Railways.
      But what is there, and the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank can be added
    4. +1
      13 February 2013 14: 18
      What are self-righteous pride in their exclusivity from the Temple Mount.
    5. +8
      13 February 2013 15: 30
      predator.3,

      The Russian government in June approved the Medve plan, according to which in 2012-2013 7,58% minus one share of Sberbank, 25,5% minus one share of VTB, 25% minus one share of Russian Railways, 50% minus one share of Sovcomflot should be privatized ", 10% of Rusnano, 100% of OZK and 49,9% minus one share of Rosagroleasing.
      So far, 7,58% minus one share of Sberbank and 50% minus one share of OZK have been sold from this list.
      At the same time, plans for a number of assets can be adjusted. So, the head of the Ministry of Economic Development Andrei Belousov said earlier at the meeting that in 2013 only a pilot project for the privatization of up to 5% of Russian Railways shares could be carried out. At the same time, according to him, up to 6% of Rosneft shares can be sold.
      My webpage

      this privatization program, fortunately, began to actively “sabotage”, as a result of which she was not executed.
      The pretext for its torpedoing is quite marketable: the price, they say, today in the market for these shares is low.
      This situation clearly demonstrates the struggle in the highest echelons of Russian power: where proponents of the liberal course oppose proponents of strengthening the state.
      What I have repeatedly said and the current situation with the widely announced PRIVATIZATION 2.0 plan only once again confirms this thesis.

      Why was this plan actually launched? About "effective private hands" excuse as it is no longer canal. We compare two news

      “Russia may increase the amount of funds provided by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and allocate more than $ 10 billion to fight the European crisis, Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov told reporters. He made a reservation that the size of the participation has not yet been determined, but 10 billion - this is the declared amount of participation of Russia, announced earlier ".
      My webpage

      At the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, two figures were announced:
      - In 2011, the government generated $ 4 billion from the sale of various assets.
      - in 2012 it is planned to gain about $ 10 billion.
      My webpage

      The connection is obvious - Russia wants to help the IMF and Europe in the amount of $ 10 billion.(or rather the backstage with the hands of the liberal wing in Russia wants to plug a hole in the financial crisis)
      The scheme is simple.
      1. First, Russia sells assets to “investors” who take money at a meager percentage where this money is simply created from the air (Fed, ECB, Bank of England).
      2. Then we give the money back to the West, buying European debt bonds and giving money to the IMF.
      3. As a result, Russia for FREE and WITHOUT ANY BENEFIT for its economy loses control over the most important objects of this very economy.
      To talk about the need for "help", the success of "cooperation", "investment attraction" and other verbal husks. buy unsecured debt securities of Europe and replenish the “bins” of the International Monetary Fund, which again gives loans to “whoever needs it,” Russia must sell its property.
      Here is a plan. It’s good that it is not being fulfilled, and instead of the IMF pieces of paper, the Central Bank is buying gold
      1. Fortnite
        +1
        13 February 2013 15: 51
        In short, MORTGAGE AUCTIONS are again in demand and in action !!!
      2. predator.3
        +2
        13 February 2013 16: 01
        Quote: Ascetic
        2. Then we give the money back to the West, buying European debt bonds and giving money to the IMF.

        That's it ! And who are they after that? Enemies of the Russian Federation!
      3. lucidlook
        +1
        13 February 2013 19: 09
        Quote: Putin V.V.
        "The deal to sell a 7,58% stake in Sberbank for $ 5,208 billion has been completed. This is one of the most profitable deals in this area in recent decades."
        19.09.2012
    6. biglow
      0
      13 February 2013 16: 40
      predator.3,
      remembering Polonsky-arkash e ..... th on ..... where are you ...
  5. +5
    13 February 2013 10: 20
    Well, you have questions ?! Are you kidding? Of course in the course, even as in the course - in the course on the ears and lives happily ever after. You reminded me of this story about how the people during the repressions thought that Stalin knew nothing. That would be instead of the Way now - and there would have been a revision, and Serdyuk would have been running from Siberia for a long time from wolves ....
  6. anchonsha
    +2
    13 February 2013 10: 28
    Everything is still in the plans for privatization because the public does not have access. And it would seem why deputies of all levels are needed, what they should do, if not control over all privatization campaigns. But there is deaf.
  7. donchepano
    +1
    13 February 2013 10: 34
    It would be better if you didn’t show these faces in the photo ...
  8. +10
    13 February 2013 10: 40
    The main difference between liberal privatization is the complete absence of effective owners, with the incessant rhetoric of the head of state and false media promises ... + ..... complete destruction of infrastructure, ignoring the social aspect and the growth of billionaires when receiving budget orders and personal acquaintance with the head state va ....
    To the Russian people - this complicated life and destroyed industry .... led to higher prices and higher tariffs in all aspects of production relations .....
    that is, the declarations of "good governance" turned out to be a myth ....

    Since 2012, another wave of myth-making on the part of the head of state, that is, previous experience has not taught anything. TNK seems to have gotten rid of the English "BP", but BP entered the state-owned company "Rosneft" - that is, in simpler terms, BP gave half of the room it shared with TNK and instead moved to a five-room spacious apartment - where it already occupies a whole room (18,8 , XNUMX% of shares)) and even during the move she was paid (in cash))))
    Siberia and the Far East are also going to establish a state corporation with management from the President, ignoring the laws of the Russian Federation and selling all that can be ... what can I say Comrade Putin’s state approach))))

    The National State Fund and the reserves of the Russian Federation are transferred to the management of OJSC "Rosmonitoring" (read correctly OJSC "Deripaska"))), that is, control by the Accounting Chamber is canceled and no one will take into account the opinion of the parliament, their expenses are compensated from there, you can plant shares (which will go bankrupt surely)) and no one is responsible for anything - according to the law BANKRUPTCY is provided ... which will happen and again they will "throw" PEOPLE ...

    Who thinks differently ???
    1. +6
      13 February 2013 14: 20
      Quote: Asgard
      The National State Fund and the reserves of the Russian Federation are transferred to the management of OJSC Rosmonitoring (read correctly OJSC Deripaska

      I completely agree with everything. I’ll just add that Nathan Rothschild and Ivan Glasenberg are behind Deripaska. Everything is falling into place.
      1. FATEMOGAN
        +2
        14 February 2013 05: 56
        Quote: baltika-18
        I completely agree with everything. I’ll just add that Nathan Rothschild and Ivan Glasenberg are behind Deripaska. Everything is falling into place.

        Medvedev, butler ....
    2. Moritz
      +5
      14 February 2013 15: 08
      Quote: Asgard
      Who thinks differently ???

      those who think differently sing the glory of Putin and Co. in the threads about the supply of boats and a couple of planes to the army.
      1. FATEMOGAN
        +1
        14 February 2013 22: 11
        Quote: moritz
        those who think differently sing the glory of Putin and Co. in the threads about the supply of boats and a couple of planes to the army.

        and not thinking, spit poison crying
        and while some are grumbling, in RUSSIA meanwhile:
        Katav-Ivanovo plant (Chelyabinsk region) released the first ATV
        The new large industrial railway station is open in the Kaluga region
        The third bridge across the Ob closed in Novosibirsk
        Russia has supplied Syria with a batch of Pantsir-C1 air defense missile systems
        Electric taxis began to work in Kislovodsk
        Cargo turnover in Russian sea ports in January 2013 increased by 6,2%
        New welding semiautomatic devices are mastered at Uralvagonzavod
        Kirovsky Zavod acquired one of the leading European manufacturers of machine tools
        Transmashholding began testing the main electric locomotive 2ES5
        The Mi-171 helicopter training complex began operating at the Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant
        TAGAZ AQUILA test assembly begins
        new Russian MiG simulator
        Shows a modernized long-range radar monitoring and control aircraft
        In the Technopark of Novosibirsk Akademgorodok, a heat treatment workshop was opened
        OJSC "Oil Refinery" presents new night vision sights PN23-3 and PN23-5. /
        In Rostov-on-Don, opened the Academy of Biology and Biotechnology
        A modern children's tuberculosis department has opened in Vladimir /
        "Titan" (Omsk) launched the production of polypropylene
        More than a million people took part in the "Ski Track of Russia"
        40 ambulances arrived in the Ulyanovsk region
        Russian AK-74M submachine gun surpasses American M-16 rifle
        Yak-130 at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant. As part of the state defense order in 2012, the IAZ issued and handed over to the Russian Air Force fifteen Yak-130s.

        and this is only a small part over the past two days, more on the site sdelanounas.ru good
        1. Moritz
          0
          14 February 2013 23: 07
          Quote: FATEMOGAN
          Katav-Ivanovo plant (Chelyabinsk region) released the first ATV

          “The UTV all-terrain vehicle is our first-born! In general, the trial batch consists of 10 units. By December, we plan to reach the rate of 1000 pieces per year. So far, we have opened only assembly production. We order parts from China, and soon our guys will go to the manufacturer for training. In the future, we plan to produce individual parts ourselves, ”said Alexey Semenov, Deputy General Director for Foreign Economic Relations.

          first on the list. The main thing to say louder, the main slogan. Recently I saw in the garages assembled from two halves of the BMW 5 Series, add to tomorrow's news that the Armenians from Ivanteevka, near Moscow, have launched a BMW.


          You won’t say that it’s with the first Russian mobile phone that was shown to Putin. You don’t know where you can see the new product, but you are aware of everything domestic.

          TAGAZ AQUILA test assembly begins

          Well, by Tagaz, by the way:
          Taganrog Automobile Plant, which declared itself bankrupt about a month ago, is going to lay off most of the workers. Of the 3 people currently working at the enterprise, 795 are planned to be reduced. Thus, 2% of employees will be left without work.

          Such a step will allow the company to significantly reduce wage costs. However, today TagAZ owes almost 29 million rubles to employees. According to management, wage arrears will be eliminated before May 15.

          Recall that TagAZ’s problems started back in 2009, when the company had a debt of 20 billion rubles, and the volume of production fell three times. In 2010, VTB Bank filed a series of claims against TagAZ for debt collection, but in 2011 the plant managed to achieve a delay. Vladimir Putin also tried to save the plant - under his control, a memorandum was signed between TagAZ and VTB Bank on debt restructuring and lowering the loan interest rate from 18% to 10%. But all these measures did not help TagAZ get on its feet.

          last summer, these reductions happened, check
          1. FATEMOGAN
            -1
            15 February 2013 00: 18
            Quote: moritz
            you are aware of everything domestic.

            Of course, thanks for such a forest review, on which I did not offer and which did not declare hi

            you would already have determined yours and would stop lying:
            Quote: moritz
            those who think differently sing the glory of Putin and Co. in the threads about the supply of boats and a couple of planes to the army.

            Quote: FATEMOGAN
            Yak-130 at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant. As part of the state defense order in 2012, the IAZ issued and handed over to the Russian Air Force fifteen Yak-130s.

            and this is only Yak - 130, 12 pieces, not to mention the numerous other deliveries, if you are or are not interested in these issues, then you do not have to lie to the whole forum, making deliberately false statements, and if you do not see the difference between, as you put it
            Quote: moritz
            pair of three planes
            and real deliveries to the troops of dozens of new aircraft, then you obviously will not hurt reading mathematics for the second class, such confusions are discussed there.
            I'm not talking about helicopters, which if everything goes according to the schedule, we will receive a couple of hundred new each year.
            and so, you read to the seed, before whining again:
            In March 2012, the Russian Ministry of Defense also signed a contract for the purchase of 2015 Su-30SM multi-seat fighter aircraft by 30,
            Meanwhile, in December 2012, the second contract followed to supply the Ministry of Defense with another 30 Su-30SM fighters, also worth 40 billion rubles. Machines are supposed to be ready in 2015-2016.
            A recognition of the success of NAPO in the production of the Su-34 was the conclusion in March 2012 of a new contract with the Ministry of Defense for 92 bombers of this type in the amount of 104 billion rubles for delivery in 2014-2019.
            few ? here's another :
            In February 2012, a contract was signed for the supply of 20 new MiG-29K ship fighters and four MiG-29KUB combat trainers for aviation of the Russian Navy. RSK MiG OJSC should transfer them between 2013 and 2015. In 2012, MiG RSK built one prototype MiG-29KUB aircraft.

            Irkut Corporation OJSC in 2012 began supplying the Russian Air Force the first Yak-130 combat training aircraft built by the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant under a contract for 55 such aircraft (with an additional 10 more) worth about 30 billion rubles
            Finally, an important event of the past year was the completion of the construction of the fourth flight prototype of the promising fifth-generation Russian fighter PAK FA - the T-50-4 aircraft. This machine was first airborne at KnAAPO on December 12, 2012, joining three other PAK FA prototypes undergoing flight tests. It is known that in Komsomolsk-on-Amur the production of the fifth PAK FA pilot prototype was almost completed, the first flight of which is expected in March 2013.

            be formed .....
            1. Moritz
              -1
              15 February 2013 07: 41
              Your position is clear and understandable to everyone, complete disregard of the questions asked by the opponent and continue to quote some slogans with foam at the art: "We ordered, recognized success, by 2015,5, the XNUMXth sample took off, etc.", in fact: in The Air Force does not feel the arrival of new aircraft, a drop in the bucket, lost tenders in India (about recognition in the world), and even then they do not recognize their own, Aeroflot refuses the superjet.

              And yet, no more verbal diarrhea about the achievement of your beloved leader, you write on the topic. as I understand it, you support the planned privatization, let's write about the pros.
              1. FATEMOGAN
                0
                15 February 2013 20: 32
                Quote: moritz
                Your position is clear to everyone,

                is it clear to everyone? what big words do you speak on behalf of all forum users, or on behalf of the whole country? maybe you’re declaring from the whole planet? what formidable you are human! belay
                who cares, reads my and your posts and sees who appeals to real affairs and who whines non-stop crying As for privatization, I have already posted the video, above, if it’s still not clear, look again and again until it reaches you, I at least sincerely wish you Yes

                Quote: moritz
                no more verbal diarrhea about the achievement of your beloved leader

                not only mine, but Russia, at least the majority of its citizens, and the achievements, as you put it, "vile", is the work of not only Putin, but also of all hardworking citizens of our homeland, to whom, as I understand it, you don’t brush your hair, stop whining, pick up your snot and work if you don't like something.
                1. Moritz
                  0
                  16 February 2013 00: 58
                  Quote: FATEMOGAN
                  who cares, reads my and your posts and sees who appeals to real affairs

                  your appeals to real cases were higher, because you didn’t want to comment on them. Of course, raising a power in words is easier than real deeds, you are our hardworking one.

                  Quote: FATEMOGAN
                  not only mine, but Russia, at least the majority of its citizens, and the achievements, as you put it, "vile", is the work of not only Putin, but also of all hardworking citizens of our homeland, to whom, as I understand it, you don’t brush your hair, stop whining, pick up your snot and work if you don't like something.

                  What are you already chatting, achievements? you yourself have invented this or don’t believe in your own words. You correctly put it right about the work, it is not Putin’s merit, but the hardworking citizens of our country, whom the gang of Serdyukovs, Skrynnik and Bilalovs robbing, and Putin covers them.
                  And you’ll poke your dad.
                  1. FATEMOGAN
                    -1
                    16 February 2013 07: 43
                    ok, stop pouring over from empty, you’ll always have something wrong and don’t give any arguments, you’ll still find a spoonful of poop in a barrel of honey, at least you would argue your moaning, you could still discuss it, and so ... . , good luck.
                    1. FATEMOGAN
                      -1
                      16 February 2013 08: 07
                      PS just do not forget in the following comments to publish something from your secret archives about the "bloody Putin gebnya" bully just don’t overdo it, otherwise the paranoid thing is serious, it’s not treated belay
                      have a nice one you too......
                    2. Moritz
                      0
                      21 February 2013 18: 15
                      your main arguments lie from three boxes, go past uncomfortable questions and merge, calling your opponent. you are a typical hollow.
  9. +17
    13 February 2013 10: 52
    Article plus. It is necessary not only not to privatize the remaining property. But also to nationalize everything that was privatized before, and without any ransom. SELECT AND POINT.
    1. +11
      13 February 2013 11: 21
      Quote: baltika-18
      SELECT AND DOT.

      And for each sly, red face, for just mentioning this word out loud, to beat on the scoreboard what is strength, to privatize his housing, bills, everything that gained overworkso that others are not disgraceful.
      1. Moritz
        -1
        14 February 2013 23: 42
        on the felling of all and in the mines
    2. Fortnite
      +7
      13 February 2013 13: 31
      I would put five pluses .... In general, everything goes to work for us, what was intended ... Maybe, when nationalization is announced in one piece, then read "rob the loot!" A very possible scenario ...
    3. +6
      13 February 2013 13: 56
      Quote: baltika-18
      Article plus. It is necessary not only not to privatize the remaining property. But also to nationalize everything that was privatized before, and without any ransom. SELECT AND POINT.

      I absolutely agree, we need nationalization, let Chavez learn from these matters today, As.
    4. +2
      13 February 2013 18: 36
      baltika-18,
      Not just SELECT, but also return to the treasury what they managed to weld and roll.
  10. +18
    13 February 2013 10: 59
    Gaidar and Red - Judas of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE and Russia... Having arranged such a genocide against their Motherland, history will still appreciate these "reformers". I only regret that during their lifetime these individuals will not have time (had time) to get what they deserve. Maybe the message will be deleted, but I'm not alone in this opinion.
  11. fenix57
    +5
    13 February 2013 12: 50
    Firstly, to punish all the initiators (who stayed there), and then think about how not to step on the same rake. Yes, tightening the Criminal Code is unambiguous. And good, as they say, welcome to privatization. And what remains to privatize? [/ b]Well, this on the rack [/ B] angry
  12. +8
    13 February 2013 12: 53
    <<< there will be no revision of privatization - this can lead to destabilization of the situation in the country.
    Here, you see, it is very strange ... Just like a revision of the results of privatization, it is immediately destabilization, but if there is no revision, everything will be fine - it will endure, they say, it will fall in love ... >>>
    How can the revision of privatization lead to destabilization ??? A bunch of privatizers (they are unlikely to gather a large crowd, if only for the loot), who have become immeasurably enriched at the expense of the people as a result of the first privatization won, will crawl out in mink coats to the swamp and will COVER the current government ??? This is unlikely to lead to destabilization. Obviously, and this is most likely SO AND IS all these PRIVATIZERS instead of bunks SIT IN GOVERNMENT AND IN POWER and power and use it to destabilize if the people rebel, demanding a revision of the predatory privatization. Now it is clear WHO needs a new privatization and, moreover, it is clear WHO will "privatize" a new portion of the people's good. So, before starting a new privatization, whether the government wants it or not, in order to avoid tension in society and a loss of trust, it must show political will and CLEAN the power structures of PRIVATIZERS and their hangers-on, begin the process of revising the results of the past privatization with specific conclusions and decisions! Otherwise, the history of privatization will repeat itself, but with hard-to-predict consequences!

    --
  13. +1
    13 February 2013 13: 25
    it becomes scary if we assume that war will happen all the same, to what kind of music are they going to drive people into the trenches- For the Motherland, For the assets of Abramovich? The first, of course, by itself, but the second gives such trump cards to future Goebels. I read somewhere that in Yugoslavia the nouveau riche of the 90s was taxed so that NATO had to be connected
  14. sdd23wesdg
    0
    13 February 2013 13: 35
    The base of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of all citizens of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and other CIS countries is on this http://zipurl.me/sng site and the main thing was done as if to search for lost relatives, but here is all the information about each of us: correspondence with friends, addresses, phones, place of work, and the worst thing is even my naked photo (though I don't know from where ...). In general, I was very scared - but there is such a function as "hide data" of course I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate, you never know
  15. 0
    13 February 2013 13: 58
    Old rakes new privatization

    Old rake what. Neighbor Vaska stepped on a children's rake just now! A week in plaster walks!
  16. Nechai
    +2
    13 February 2013 14: 09
    Quote: Goldmitro
    there will be no revision of privatization - this could lead to destabilization of the situation in the country.

    The quote, apparently, is not completely given - there will be no revision of privatization - this may lead to destabilization of the situation in the country with the position of owners of the privatized. laughing
    And if we put the jokes aside and translate this "axiom" from the power-bureaucratic language, in which they have become pretty adept. Remember Yegorka Gaidar? threshes, threshes, and what threshes itself does not understand! So this is PUBLIC OFFICIAL recognition of their incapacity, impotence by the authorities. And the fear of the real rulers, for themselves, darlings, for their households.
    And the desire to carry out yet another theft from the same opera. We ourselves cannot normally organize, plan and control the work of state companies. And we don't want to. For this is not a royal matter. The only thing we are capable of, outside of "politics", is to glue these postage stamps, using a developed professional tool ...
    1. +2
      13 February 2013 14: 25
      Quote: Nechai
      And if we put the jokes aside and translate this "axiom" from the imperious-bureaucratic language in which they are pretty adept. Remember Yegorka Gaidar? threshes, threshes, and what threshes itself no longer understands! So, this is a PUBLIC OFFICIAL confession of incapacity, impotence of power. And fear, before the real owners, for themselves dear, for their household.
      And the desire to carry out one more raspravayka from the same opera. We ourselves cannot normally organize, plan and control the work of state companies. And we don't want to. For this is not a royal matter. The only thing we are capable of outside of "politics" is to glue postage stamps using a developed professional tool ...

      It seems to me that not all relatives of this pack were awarded a jackpot, the lakesmen still lacked a couple of hundred billion for peace of mind and removal for the cordon.
    2. 0
      13 February 2013 16: 31
      Quote: Nechai
      apparently not fully presented - there will be no revision of privatization - this could lead to a destabilization of the situation in the country with the situation of owners of the privatized

      Quote: Nechai
      then PUBLIC OFFICIAL recognition of their incapacity, impotence by the authorities. And the fear of the real rulers, for themselves, darlings, for their households.

      Apparently you are right. Plus. Logically.
    3. Moritz
      -1
      14 February 2013 23: 35
      Quote: Nechai
      The quote, apparently, is not completely given - there will be no revision of privatization - this may lead to destabilization of the situation in the country with the situation of owners of the privatized.

      especially after yukos razderbanili well, such a destabilization began already horror. Bring back the national wealth to the people and see what the holiday will be and universal jubilation.
  17. lucidlook
    +3
    13 February 2013 14: 50
    Somewhere in 2000, it seems, REN-TV showed a 10-episode film "Ten years that ...". Most of all, I remember the interview with E.T. Gaidar, in which he directly stated (I quote from memory):

    - When we were just about to begin economic and political reforms, they told us at the very top that the only condition for them was the unconditional preservation of property. Those. all those party workers and officials who at the time of the CPSU owned property (including production) conditionally, i.e. working there as directors, they would have retained the right to this property after the reforms already unconditionally. That is, they could sell, give, bequeath, etc. Subject to this condition, we were given carte blanche for any reforms.
    1. Fortnite
      +1
      13 February 2013 15: 19
      Someone doubted ... Here he is, damn it, he discovered America ...
      1. lucidlook
        0
        13 February 2013 18: 48
        Maybe he didn’t open it, but just look at the lists of today's leaders of all stripes - how many of those who were in the CPSU until its last days? And according to the statement of the main privatizer, the whole process was initially in their favor and with their knowledge and consent.
  18. +3
    13 February 2013 15: 58
    What a rich country Russia is - they are privatizing, privatizing, privatizing, privatizing, privatizing .... but they will not privatize everything to the end !!!
    And all privatizers need in the face, in the face, in the face, in the face, in the face, in the face .... in the impudent red face !!!!!
    1. +1
      13 February 2013 18: 52
      Quote: Very smart
      And all privatizers need in the face, in the face, in the face, in the face, in the face

      +++++++++++++++++++!
    2. +2
      13 February 2013 18: 57
      Quote: Very smart
      ... on the impudent red face!

      By redhead by itself. And on the balding?
  19. +2
    13 February 2013 16: 11
    and it’s interesting, if we carry out a revision of the privatization of the 90s, who will destabilize the country? people will only be happy with such a process.
  20. +1
    13 February 2013 19: 02
    Well, you guys after all, the lads of the privatization of the privatizers kept their loot. They, resting from the works of the righteous somewhere in Londngrad or in the Canaries, see that a rich man has a yacht cooler than his own. fabulously enriched. But since the caves with treasures are only in fairy tales, we must again rob the state and those suckers who suffered in it. They are not afraid of anything except the revolution.
  21. +3
    13 February 2013 20: 28
    start the nationalization of privatized enterprises in the 90s without fail for one tenth of the cost, in the absence of consent, tax, prosecutor's office, bailiff, tightening of the Criminal Code. close the fuck the border for officials and their families. to develop an economy and not banks. send away the WTO with the liberals. check ALL organizations that suck grandmothers from the budget by the tax and prosecutors, for violations of punishment for a tougher criminal code. mandatory control of the tax, prosecutor's office, Ministry of Internal Affairs, with current technologies, collecting evidence on an adversary is not a problem, then you will look in 20-30 years and put things in order
  22. Avenger711
    +1
    14 February 2013 08: 22
    Demand the landing of thieves. Relentlessly, until the effect is achieved. Or, as a last resort, they take a couple of millions and bring them down from the country with deprivation of citizenship, but they return everything else.
  23. +1
    14 February 2013 16: 48
    Yes, neighbors, you haven’t eaten everything yet ... You won’t find steel wire so that your neighbor’s eyes can be poked out, everything has gone to metal. They’ve cut everything that is possible, efficient owners. A solar station. A nuclear station was demolished to the basement. (B Shchelkino) Only the reactor vessel remained monolithic. These were such global products! It remains to put asphalt from the roads for export.
  24. Ruslan80
    +1
    14 February 2013 18: 27
    It’s safe to steal billions in Russia, even an honor. But for trifles to rub, you will certainly come across the most humane court in the world!