The President of Russia said that the shortage of personnel in the Russian economy cannot be covered by attracting migrants

Now the Russian economy is developing at a rapid pace. However, one of the most important problems in the foreseeable future will remain the shortage of personnel. This follows from the speech of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin.

As the head of the Russian state noted, speaking at the congress of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, the state of the labor market indicates the high dynamics of development of the national economy. In this context, the issue of covering the shortage of specialists in many sectors of the economy is on the agenda.

In the coming years, Russia will experience an objective shortage of personnel and qualifications. And it certainly cannot be covered mechanically, through labor migration and the import of low-skilled labor from abroad. This won't solve the problem. We need other approaches

- said the President of the Russian Federation.

Putin also noted that new industries and services are developing in Russia. The state is trying to direct significant resources to help production, but Russian business itself already has solid capabilities, the country's president said in his speech.

As for the migration situation, the president’s statement demonstrates that the Russian leadership is developing somewhat different approaches to filling the shortage of labor resources than before. It is clear that by attracting migrants from less developed countries, it is impossible to solve the problem of shortage of even qualified workers, not to mention engineering and technical personnel and scientific personnel. But it is not yet very clear what other approaches can be implemented in this case.

Comments

[rocket757]

They say correctly, the question is who does it and how.
When a businessman's hustlers need something, they do as they please, because the punishment is ridiculous, but the profit is not a joke!

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The import of guest workers has no economic basis. This is done out of ethnic solidarity or for other, hidden reasons.

[Good Evil]

Well, he said. Well, having admitted the problem, it is no longer possible not to admit it. And then what? What exactly are we going to do?

[dmi.pris1]

He didn’t say it, but read it. What was slipped to him. Without even bothering to think and remember that just recently he read something else..

[Tikhonov_Alexander]

The guarantor will not do anything - he just talks a lot and, of course, correctly on any topic. There are a lot of strategic problems and one of them is personnel. The 87% guarantor has been ruling for many years and will continue to rule as long as he wants. But he still did not see the problem with personnel, but saw something else - that it was easier to plug the holes with migrants. And suddenly he saw the light. Although I suspect that he saw the light earlier - when he raised the retirement age. Hit the head and health of every worker. And he forced everyone to work for another 5 years, telling stories about increasing life expectancy. The question is - when will he realize that the importation of migrants, the preferential receipt of Russian citizenship by natives and members of their families, does not just create tension in society, filling the country with marginalized people, but is already a direct threat to the existence of a secular multinational state? I think that many, not just 13%, are beginning to disbelieve talking heads - human organs (Saltykov-Shchedrin’s character with a removable head) - who talk about successes and huge plans, but do not solve pressing problems...

[Dimy4]

The 87% guarantor has been ruling for many years and will continue to rule as long as he wants.

Our 87% guarantor has created a business at all levels of the public administration system, which, by the way, is very profitable. Well done, it’s not for nothing that officials applaud him.

[rocket757]

As a rule, in such cases there are more than one reasons... but this does not cancel the mass of violations, even crimes, committed by our selfish officials!!!
And merchants, businessmen, they are the same as they are always and everywhere.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I cannot agree, the situation in Russia is radically different from the situation with officials and businessmen in other countries. Just as the import of Turks to Germany after the war was carried out at the insistence of the United States, our reasons are not economic. After defeat in the war, Germany became a colony of the United States, and therefore submitted. What about us, what about us?
How the position of the Russian people in the USSR was characterized by one foreign author, “The Empire of Positive Action” (more precisely, discrimination). The feeling is that nothing has changed with the collapse of the USSR.

[Zoer]

Quote: rocket757

but this does not cancel the mass of violations, even crimes, committed by our selfish officials!!!
And merchants, businessmen, they are the same as they are always and everywhere.

We should not forget that our officials and our business are the same people.

[rocket757]

This goes without saying!
The most successful business ladies are those who have a husband... the mayor of capitals, for example.

[Alexey Lantukh]

This is done out of ethnic solidarity or for other, hidden reasons.

I don't think so! Which Muscovites, let’s say, will go to work on a construction site as a simple laborer, plasterer, etc. or a janitor? Probably rare people. Another thing is that there is no order. There was a “limit” in the USSR, but she worked strictly at those enterprises and organizations where she was recruited. She was provided with a hostel, and over a fairly long time, an apartment. Moreover, some young people studied at institutes and technical schools in the evening or by correspondence, graduated, and climbed the career ladder.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

So there is no need to discriminate against your Russian workers and they will come. Pay them the same as guest workers, and there will be no end to those interested.

[Alexey Lantukh]

What you named as hidden reasons is the profit of intermediaries, who in turn pay someone higher and profit from these guest workers. So they are not interested in the order, which is, in principle, possible with guest workers.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There is no profit. In my experience, migrant workers in Moscow are paid more than local workers, and significantly. Hidden reasons have already been mentioned here; there is some kind of English program for the resettlement of Tajiks.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

So they are not interested in the order, which is, in principle, possible with guest workers.

And I think it’s basically impossible. After all, who is coming to us? The one who has not found himself in his country is coming! Marginalized people are coming to us. And the worthy remain in their country!

[Wayfarer_2]

There will be a lights out. Because, in addition to salary, there are also working and rest conditions. In particular, paid vacation, two days off a week, 8-hour working day, paid sick leave, etc. Migrants do not count on this, but the local population wants to work precisely in such conditions, i.e. like under the USSR. For this reason, migrants are very profitable for employers. And for a long time now the power in our country is no longer of workers, but of employers.

[Fisher]

Maybe so, but my father worked all his life on construction sites in Leningrad, and he was never the limit. And there were a lot of them. They paid well, and retirement at 55 and a bunch of other goodies. Yes, and they respected both builders and other hard workers

[Alexey Lantukh]

My house was built by Tajiks. As professionals they are different. There are very worthy specialists. I have no complaints about the quality. Yes, and in our city there were no incidents with them, at least I haven’t heard of them. But that was more than 10 years ago.

[Zoer]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

I don't think so! Which Muscovites, let’s say, will go to work on a construction site as a simple laborer, plasterer, etc. or a janitor? Probably rare people.

This is all artificially created by our own state. From taxes to the connivance of illegal immigrants.
In the early 00s, as a student, I worked part-time at construction sites. Now this is impossible, because... everything is filled with valuable specialists, and I personally am unlikely to go to work for them. In the same 00s, Tajiks were already present, sporadically. and I got to see how they work. Honestly speaking, this is the bottom. Even in elementary work, you need to watch them, so that they basically work, and that they simply don’t mess up, even where it’s impossible to mess up.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Even in elementary work, you need to watch them, so that they basically work, and that they simply don’t mess up, even where it’s impossible to mess up.

Yes it is. Any construction organization must have a permanent and core core of specialists, including workers, who were often kept in apartments during Soviet times. And when there is a passageway, we will also see the collapse of bridges and maybe other objects.

[Vend]

Quote: rocket757

They say correctly, the question is who does it and how.
When a businessman's hustlers need something, they do as they please, because the punishment is ridiculous, but the profit is not a joke!

It’s true that if migrants are needed, they must work on a shift basis, without being granted citizenship, benefits or transporting their families. Employers are fully responsible for brought migrants, including criminal liability.

[AndreyKam_Z]

If migrants are needed, they must work on a rotating basis, without citizenship, benefits or transportation of families. Employers are fully responsible for imported migrants, including criminal liability.

Emotionally I agree with you, but in practice I don’t. I work in a mid-level management position at a large enterprise, which, by the way, produces military products. In the most difficult, monotonous areas, migrants mostly work; on the assembly line, about 60 percent for sure.
Kick them out? Let's. Tomorrow the plant will shut down. Locals don’t come, there are a lot of vacancies.
Responsibility for managers? How do you imagine this? Should I go check their living conditions and behavior at home? Yes, it’s easier for me to fire them and stop production. I’m considering production, but taxis, delivery, etc.

[Vend]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

If migrants are needed, they must work on a rotating basis, without citizenship, benefits or transportation of families. Employers are fully responsible for imported migrants, including criminal liability.

Emotionally I agree with you, but in practice I don’t. I work in a mid-level management position at a large enterprise, which, by the way, produces military products. In the most difficult, monotonous areas, migrants mostly work; on the assembly line, about 60 percent for sure.
Kick them out? Let's. Tomorrow the plant will shut down. Locals don’t come, there are a lot of vacancies.
Responsibility for managers? How do you imagine this? Should I go check their living conditions and behavior at home? Yes, it’s easier for me to fire them and stop production. I’m considering production, but taxis, delivery, etc.

There are enough people in our country who can come to work from other regions. The fact that 60 percent of your workers are migrants is already your omission. It won't be too much to organize sabotage at your factory. How to control? You have a human resources department that needs to recruit employees. If you recruit the migrants you need so much on a shift basis, then all checks should take place not only at the entrance, but also at the plant itself. In Soviet times, there were limit workers who came and worked in factories and factories and lived in dormitories. And they recruited limiters in the regions of the RSFSR. There would be a desire, but the issue can be resolved.

[AndreyKam_Z]

There are enough people in our country who can come to work from other regions.

At work, I communicate with subcontractors around the country; there is a personnel shortage everywhere.

The fact that 60 percent of your workers are migrants is already your omission.

Specify.

It won't be too much to organize sabotage at your factory.

Judging by the news, there are also quite a few local saboteurs.

How to control? You have a human resources department that needs to recruit employees. If you recruit the migrants you need so much on a shift basis, then all checks should take place not only at the entrance, but also at the plant itself. In Soviet times, there were limit workers who came and worked in factories and factories and lived in dormitories.

This is exactly how it happens, almost no one has citizenship.
You didn't answer the question about control.

[BecmepH]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

You didn't answer the question about control.

I will answer you. Under the USSR and the people there were more factories. However, we went and checked the dorms. Social activity was in full swing! Not this way?

[AndreyKam_Z]

You did not answer me. You give the example of the USSR, although firstly a return is impossible for many reasons, and secondly, not everything there was as you describe.

[BecmepH]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

You did not answer me. You give the example of the USSR, although firstly a return is impossible for many reasons, and secondly, not everything there was as you describe.

And I don’t urge you to return to the USSR. I speak from practice. If you lived in a village and don’t know how you went around the dorms and checked people, this does not mean that this did not happen.
Automate the processes and then visitors will not be needed.

[AndreyKam_Z]

I speak from practice. If you lived in a village and don’t know how you went around the dorms and checked people, this does not mean that this did not happen.

I’ll disappoint you, I was born and raised in the city, moreover, I managed to take part in the construction of KamAZ and I know what happened there, so keep your tales about inspections of hostels to yourself.

Automate the processes and then visitors will not be needed.

Do not open the planet, production is being automated gradually because... No one will allow factories to be stopped, but automation occurs first and foremost where it is economically feasible. A conveyor belt where the majority of migrants work is not in the immediate plans, and if we take into account the sanctions, it will not be in the foreseeable future.

[BecmepH]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

keep the tales about dormitory inspections to yourself.

I repeat, if

If you don’t know how we went around the dorms and checked people, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

A conveyor belt where the majority of migrants work is not in the immediate plans

due to a simple toad, or lack of qualified specialists to perform the work. And where will they come from?)) After all, there are specialists behind the conveyor))
Just don’t talk about sanctions. Orders are pouring in to military-industrial complex enterprises. Accordingly, profit. I know what I'm talking about. Over the past year, we have updated 20 machines in our workshop. Moreover, they purchased the most modern machines. Now the guys don’t stand near the machines, but sit. With phones...
I don’t see any point in arguing with you any further. Best wishes!

[Vend]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

There are enough people in our country who can come to work from other regions.

At work, I communicate with subcontractors around the country; there is a personnel shortage everywhere.

The fact that 60 percent of your workers are migrants is already your omission.

Specify.

It won't be too much to organize sabotage at your factory.

Judging by the news, there are also quite a few local saboteurs.

How to control? You have a human resources department that needs to recruit employees. If you recruit the migrants you need so much on a shift basis, then all checks should take place not only at the entrance, but also at the plant itself. In Soviet times, there were limit workers who came and worked in factories and factories and lived in dormitories.

This is exactly how it happens, almost no one has citizenship.
You didn't answer the question about control.

Well, you issued unsubscribes. There is no need to transfer it to the locals. Control, for example, in your production, how well do the special services work to verify personnel? For example, with us this is just a formality. You don’t talk to subcontractors, but attract employees from the regions. What can you offer them? Have you ever carried out a good advertising campaign for the regions to attract workers? I repeat, if there is a desire, the issue can be resolved. You follow the path of less resistance and less stress. Why bother yourself, recruited migrants and that’s it. They work, but what do they have outside the factory gates, who cares. Implement the Soviet system of attracting personnel. She has already proven herself 100%. Yes, you will have to spend money.

[rocket757]

There are enough people in our country who can come to work from other regions.

. The statement is not confirmed by practice!
For objective and even subjective reasons, the shortage of people who know how to work and are ready to come is felt EVERYWHERE!!! This is about the citizens of any industrially developed country!
No matter where you point it, it’s almost the same.

[Aerodrome]

oh how the vector swerved... I said something else before.

[Alf]

Quote: Aerodrome

oh how the vector swerved...

And Vaska listens and eats... A swerving sector does not at all mean a turn of the helm.

[VPK-65]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

I work for handa mid-level management position in a large enterprise, which by the way produces military products. In the most difficult, monotonous areas, migrants mostly work; on the assembly line, about 60 percent for sure.
Kick them out? Let's. Tomorrow the plant will shut down.

To subtly hint to you: WHOM should you “lead” with:

And migrants are the IOM plan:
https://russia.iom.int/ru/kto-my
https://russia.iom.int/ru/regionalnaya-programma-po-migracii-v-centralnoy-azii-i-rossii
Under the legend, IOM manages migration from Central Asian countries to Russia, the British government through its UKAID foundation and MI6 - British intelligence.
https://dzen.ru/a/ZRinMoCq9g_HIMwa?share_to=link

[VPK-65]

Chinese robotic cruise missile factory:

[AndreyKam_Z]

If you take the trouble to calculate the economic justification for replacing a migrant with an automatic machine, you will be surprised that it is more profitable to replace a skilled worker, most of whom are local.

[VPK-65]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

If you bother to calculate the economic justification for replacing a migrant with a machine gun

As Adriano Celentano said to his accountant in the famous film https://youtu.be/XhmOxKGG3LM
It is more profitable to cut down the unnecessary Khusnullins, Nabiulins and other "...streets" and put PCs in their place. After this, all production where there is “added value” in the country will become profitable. Well, of course, we also have to leave the WTO and all the other 3 letters at the same time, otherwise we will remain a raw materials colony.

[Zoer]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

If you take the trouble to calculate the economic justification for replacing a migrant with an automatic machine, you will be surprised that it is more profitable to replace a skilled worker, most of whom are local.

What's surprising here? CNC machines are completely replacing the specialty of a turner and milling machine operator. BUT, this machine still requires an operator who is less qualified than a turner or milling operator, but uncut firewood is not suitable either. For this CNC machine, in addition to the same technologists, you also need a “programmer” who will digitize the drawing into a program for the machine. Yes, one such “programmer” will service a dozen CNC machines, but still. And these machines also require complex repairs and maintenance... So there is no escape from qualified personnel. But the number of wipers can be reduced by means of mechanization.

[AndreyKam_Z]

So you contradict yourself.

CNC machines are completely replacing the specialty of a turner and milling machine operator.

those. we are removing several high-quality workers.

a less qualified operator is needed,

We install several operators with lower payment because... less qualified (highly likely to be migrants). Yes, there will be a core of maintenance personnel at the engineer level, but these are only a few.
You gave a good example about wipers; how many of them have decreased due to automation and mechanization?
And if your example of a factory includes a conveyor belt on which more than 2000 people work, each person has about 4-6 technical operations, the salary is 30-50, estimate that the robot or workers benefit the plant.
But that's not even the main thing. For the last 20-30 years, the plant has been operating on the verge of profitability, like our entire auto industry, without any concern for fat. Only key critical areas were improved.

[Zhan]

Kick them out? Let's. Tomorrow the plant will shut down. Locals don’t come, there are a lot of vacancies.

What kind of vacancies, schedule, wages? If ours don't work, is there a reason?
I work as a manager myself. I barely convinced the boss to give up migrants altogether, hacks and scammers. And they like to pretend to be fools, don’t understand mine. They should be deeply imposed on our Russian foremen and foremen. They have their own BAI and they just listen to it.
I was very tired of this Makhnovism, and I drove them to hell. It was difficult, but we survived nothing. We recruited new personnel from the Slavs and crossed ourselves.

[AndreyKam_Z]

What kind of vacancies, schedule, wages? If ours don't work, is there a reason?

Including these problems, the plant is large, several tens of thousands, so many issues are not resolved here.

[leks]

Please tell me why the locals don’t come!?
Is it because the salary at your enterprise is not a competitor, and the requests from the management are such that they do not correspond to the wages.
The schedule, working conditions, etc., etc. are all secondary.
If the salary is high, 9 out of 10 will work under any schedule and under any conditions.
The management of your enterprise simply followed the path of least resistance, thereby showing that they do not care about the locals. Why raise your salary? Let’s hire newcomers instead.
Two visitors can be paid the same salary as one local. And this is a profit, budget savings, and a bonus for managers for savings.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I don’t know how it is now, but at such a plant we locals were given heavy pneumatic tools without casings on the handles; metal cut leather. They wrapped them in rags as best they could. And newcomers, then vocational school students from the Uzbek SSR, simply abandoned him and asked for an easier plot.
Although there was a conveyor nearby where the tools were suspended and the handles were covered.
I worked among LTP specialists and my vocational technical training students, whose instruments were not even repaired.
Your interlocutor is a storyteller.

[AndreyKam_Z]

The schedule, working conditions, etc., etc. are all secondary.
If the salary is high, 9 out of 10 will work under any schedule and under any conditions.

Raising wages is probably only possible, but this will immediately affect the price of the final product, there is fierce competition with the Chinese.

[leks]

This is how we live and there is nothing surprising in this, since they rule the country
"Effective managers".
I’m wondering what they will do when newcomers start demanding higher wages and at the same time they will press that their rights are being violated.
They will probably raise it right away, despite the fact that it will affect the price of the final product.
This is what the invaluable visiting specialist demands, and not the Russian disenfranchised Vanya.

[dmi.pris1]

Give me the address. Do you need mechanical technicians, electricians, mechanics? And please announce the salary. I’m not joking, but maybe I’ll get you these specialists. Russian guys. And also let me know about accommodation

[Nik2013]

Normally pay many times more than the office plankton and everything will be fine, workers will appear.

[BecmepH]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

In the most difficult, monotonous areas, migrants mostly work; on the assembly line, about 60 percent for sure.

Now private entrepreneurs cook sauna stoves using robots. A dude in slippers walks around just looking...

[AndreyKam_Z]

Now private entrepreneurs cook sauna stoves using robots. A dude in slippers walks around just looking...

Can you demonstrate?

[BecmepH]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

Now private entrepreneurs cook sauna stoves using robots. A dude in slippers walks around just looking...

Can you demonstrate?

https://thewikihow.com/video_y1GlZG5g810
And not only these ovens. When I was choosing a stove for the bathhouse, I watched videos. I don't remember the manufacturer. So there is a guy walking around in slippers and monitoring the process. And there were two robots. One holds and twists, and the second cooks. If this listens If you are interested, then look for it yourself.

[miry_mir]

I went to such a defense plant, passed all the checks, the salary was decent. But one thing.... the work schedule is crazy! six days a day. a day of rest, six days a night, a day of rest.! how to work this way? In a month or two, I, 50 years old, will have a skiff! and what kind of productivity can we talk about at such a rhythm? in Soviet times there was a work schedule for each job, by the way, scientifically verified, people tried to work for years in one workplace, but now just to exploit people, and all objections are answered - no one is holding you back.

[Zoer]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

I work in a mid-level management position at a large enterprise, which, by the way, produces military products. In the most difficult, monotonous areas, migrants mostly work; on the assembly line, about 60 percent for sure.
Kick them out? Let's. Tomorrow the plant will shut down. Locals don’t come, there are a lot of vacancies.

Have you tried paying locals? A simple example, a suburb of St. Petersburg. Two very similar enterprises for the production of light metal structures. On one there is a dime a dozen of uncut firewood, on the second there is no firewood at all. The difference in salary there is only 15-20 thousand. And our people stand in line at this office, where there are no foreigners. And in the other there is turnover, confusion and vacillation. Draw conclusions.
PS: justifying the price for the military-industrial complex using the salary expense item is easy. To moan during the State Defense Order is not to respect yourself.

[Village]

Transfer all bribe takers to the FMS, and the problem with migrants will disappear by itself.

[Trapp1st]

Transfer all bribe takers to the FMS, and the problem with migrants will disappear by itself.

Well, yes, there will be no FMS, there will be no problems)

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Village

Transfer all bribe takers to the FMS, and the problem with migrants will disappear by itself.

And if you also transfer bribe-takers to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Defense, the courts and municipalities, then so many problems will disappear... One problem will remain: an excess of romantic, illusory, dreamy thinking.

[Trapp1st]

And if you also transfer bribe-takers to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Defense, the courts and municipalities, then so many problems will disappear...

Others will arise, how to live without the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Defense, courts and municipalities.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Trapp1st

Others will arise

And plant them too, so that they don’t arise. And ultimately: ...Mikhail Mishustin walks along the echoing empty corridors of the State Duma...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You want too much from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Even if they start expelling migrants, established diasporas will put pressure on them, and those expelled may return under an amnesty. In order for the Ministry of Internal Affairs to operate, it needs clear rules and guidelines.

[Gardamir]

All diasporas should be declared foreign agents.

[Village]

This is how we live, everyone understands everything, but no one can do anything. That’s why the outskirts of Europe look at “human rights”, “democracy”, “fair trial”, etc., etc. We are ready to lie under anyone, as long as they don’t lie under us© words of one particularly stubborn cypsomist

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Village

Ready to lie under anyone as long as they don’t lie under us©

The most irreconcilable enemies are former close relatives.

[Ryaruav]

and free people and horses will walk (quote from the film)

[January]

The question is not about the Federal Migration Service, but about the requirements for applicants. The question is about “specialists”. How many migrants out of 1000 have some kind of technical knowledge? 3-5 people? How many will they be used “for the benefit of the new homeland”? 1? The rest will be, at best, janitors, and at worst, they will suck the budget and sell anything. The question is, why does this country need 999? Who benefits from them here?

[Village]

So one does not interfere with the other. If migrants work officially, with a permit (they won’t give it to just anyone) in accordance with their specialty, or get a specialty here, then why not. And someone also needs to sell janitors and markets. I’m generally silent about the construction; no one wants to break their backs on concrete.

[January]

Quote: Village

If migrants work officially, with permission (they won’t give it to just anyone)

If grandmother has... a mustache, then she will be grandfather. If migrants work officially or get a specialty, then the problem that is being discussed will not exist.

Quote: Village

And someone also needs to sell janitors and markets. I’m generally silent about the construction; no one wants to break their backs on concrete.

And what - there is no one? They want to work as janitors, and trade, and break their backs for the same money. But it’s more profitable to take migrants. He put them in a small house and let them plow from dusk until dawn. No taxes, no claims. And whoever behaves badly is thrown over the fence and the whole conversation. But it won’t work that way with a citizen. Tomorrow, Rostrud and the Federal Tax Service and the prosecutor’s office will come running... You’ll get tired of brushing it off.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: ian

Who benefits from them here?

The complexity of answering this question is commensurate with the complexity of the problem “How to find Lenin Square.” You just need to multiply the length of Lenin by the width of Lenin. But in our case, it’s enough to read the position and full name. the person who approved the document granting citizenship to 999 unnecessary “specialists.” Well, if you wish, you can further identify the entire chain of interested parties. But I'm afraid then...

Quote: Polite Elk

...Mikhail Mishustin walks along the echoing empty corridors of the State Duma...

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

Transfer all bribe takers to the FMS, and the problem with migrants will disappear by itself.

No. The problem is much deeper than in the FMS and the Ministry of Internal Affairs as a whole.

[Village]

One of the reasons, don't you think? And one of the main ones. The second is, of course, the working conditions created by employers. Moreover, regardless of the conditions in which migrants work, no one is going to improve these working conditions. Read employer GREED. The law was issued a long time ago about hiring people without permission to work (there are fines and all that), but it only works in case of an emergency, and then everything is solved with bribes.

[Orange bigg]

Personnel shortage? For many years, only lawyers and economists were trained. Vocational schools were closed and the industry had to prepare personnel with great difficulty. And here it is, as it turned out. It turns out that what is needed now is not economists and lawyers, of whom there is an overabundance, but engineers, those who stand at the machine and other working specialties. This most likely has to do with the policy that has been pursued for many years regarding personnel training.

[Egoza]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Personnel shortage?

Quote: OrangeBigg

The vocational schools were closed and the industry had to train its own personnel with great difficulty.

Give people a NORMAL salary. And then personnel will appear, and they will be willing to become students.

[Orange bigg]

A normal salary only comes from a normal profit, and a normal profit only happens when there is demand for the product and its sales, a sales market and demand, and for this you need to fight for sales markets, create conditions beneficial for your manufacturer, support him, since these are workers places and taxes into the budget, and in the 90s Gaidar lobbied for Boeing to the detriment of our aviation industry, and now we have problems because of this with our aviation, but it’s good that at least they began to solve these problems and so on everywhere. And most importantly, almost I forgot when the industry is ruled not by nouveau riche temporary workers, but by professionals.

[Orange bigg]

Professionals who are interested in the development of production, and not to chop the dough and dump it.

[Trapp1st]

Give people a NORMAL salary

not enough for ourselves.

[Dilettante grandfather]

What is a normal salary, in the current situation, with constant growth of inflation, in your opinion?

[Egoza]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

What is a normal salary, in the current situation, with constant growth of inflation, in your opinion?

So that it would cover the cost of living calculation by three times. I'm not in the Russian Federation - I don't know the prices.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Purely approximately, the average salary should allow you to purchase the same average car in a year. That is, somewhere from 1 million to 1,5 rubles per year. This is in the province. In Moscow and St. Petersburg, housing prices are abnormal; a special approach is required there.

[Dilettante grandfather]

In my opinion, the first thing to do is stop inflation. And a million and a half a year... Well, I don’t know. I live in Yekaterinburg. The average monthly income, together with my wife, is about 90 thousand. For two. We have enough. That is, approximately the same million and a half a year, but not for one.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

If there is already housing, then there is enough.

[Zoer]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Purely approximately, the average salary should allow you to purchase the same average car in a year. That is, somewhere from 1 million to 1,5 rubles per year.

When was the last time you looked at car prices? Now an average Chinese bucket costs from 2 to 2,2 million. Yes, the same Vesta is already under 2 million... Moreover, in this price about 1 million are taxes, excise taxes and other levies from the native state. That's how hard they are struggling with rising consumption.

[Zoer]

Quote: Egoza

Give people a NORMAL salary. And then personnel will appear, and they will be willing to become students.

Wow!!! Who will give her something like that?
https://ria.ru/20240426/zarplaty-1942550222.html?ysclid=lvi1r96lt8397640938

“There will be enough money for high salaries, but inflation will arise from the fact that this money, for this money, will not have enough goods and services at old prices. That is, prices will rise. And our policy is aimed at limiting such an excessive expansion of demand , stimulating the growth of savings,” Nabiullina said in response to the question whether Russia will have enough money for large salaries, because people are not ready to work for small ones.

[Olesya Lesya]

And also managers - what every second person dreamed of becoming. The question of reducing this unnecessary profile in universities is already being raised. And allocate more budget places in technical

[pharmacist]

Well, right, where is the cult of the working man? Where are the films a la "Dima Gorin's Career"? Do you know many girls who dream of marrying a mechanic or a miner? Where are the guys who want to become a carpenter or shoemaker after school; girls planning to study to become a dressmaker... Everyone wants to be with white hands, drive cool cars and warm their ass in Bali. There’s just one problem: no matter how much a cool IT guy sits at the computer, the wallpaper won’t stick on its own, and the roof on the house won’t be redrawn. It is not necessary to show bloggers without panties or successful bandits, but a simple working person.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You know, don't. The apartments built in the USSR, in which one had to live, with the very cult of the working man, were finished extremely poorly. Holes under the windows, crooked walls, crooked window frames, crooked doors. And now they do it with pinpoint precision, both window and door installers and suspended ceiling installers. But all sorts of plasterers and tilers ask for such money that their requests make your hair stand on end. I would like to advise these sufferers, left without a cult, to roll up their lips.

[Alf]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

And now they do it with pinpoint precision, both window and door installers and suspended ceiling installers.

Only the walls are still crooked, made of g.. and sticks.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Where are the walls made of sticks in high-rise buildings? Previously, the plaster was lime-sand, and this is really yours. However, please don’t choke at the bit. The Soviet material itself, even if it is chalk on the walls or plaster for the price of housing, there are no complaints. But why did the Soviet worker make crooked walls? That same iconic worker, why did he plaster crookedly?

[Alf]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Where are the walls made of sticks in high-rise buildings?

How many times have they shown, even on the national news, how you can remove a piece of the wall from a wall in a new building with your bare hands.
A couple of years ago, Channel One news played a story in which in Moscow (and what’s going on in the country) pipes were leaking on the roof of a newly commissioned ELITE high-rise building, they showed that the water supply pipes were connected end to end...
And this is in Moscow in the elite...
And the questions you asked were precise; unfortunately, I can’t answer them; it’s a mystery to myself.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I rarely watch TV. Somehow I haven’t heard any complaints about the walls now. Of course, there are new buildings made from strange materials, but these are specific developers who are frolicking.

[Alf]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Somehow I haven’t heard any complaints about the walls now.

Well, sorry. For example, I don’t live by the formula “if I don’t know something, then it doesn’t exist.”

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

These are specific developers frolicking.

Why do they even still exist? Where are all the supervisory authorities?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Now it’s commerce, if you don’t want it, don’t take it.

[Alf]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Now it’s commerce, if you don’t want it, don’t take it.

When buying a car, before purchasing it, will you crawl it inside and out, check the tightness of every nut, check all the welds, the entire thickness of the primer paint? There is no need to write bullshit.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Housing must be purchased that has already been built, and not participate in shared construction. If you want to save money, then don’t complain. Isn't it prohibited to inspect apartments before purchasing? There is no need to write garbage.

[Alf]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Housing must be purchased that has already been built, and not participate in shared construction. If you want to save money, then don’t complain. Isn't it prohibited to inspect apartments before purchasing? There is no need to write garbage.

You know better. When buying a TV, or rather before buying, do not forget to remove the back cover and check all the chips and microcircuits. By eye, you are a pro... A person should buy a thing with guaranteed quality, and not look closely, touch it and try everything he can.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Don’t confuse the sour with the insipid, a fighter for the rights of the proletariat.
And in the USSR, high-rise buildings built burst and warped. In our city alone I know about a dozen such houses.

[AdAstra]

My friend is telling you right. Basically all the residential buildings in which mortgage holders from G and Palok will live. My mother worked in the USSR as a builder-finisher and they were “tore” for marriage like Sidorov’s goat and the object was not accepted until everything was eliminated.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

No one is forcing you to do bad things to yourself. Don't buy bad housing. And there’s no point in whining about other people’s problems that don’t concern you at all. And about the problems that buyers create for themselves when they try to save money.
And it’s completely unclear who they were fighting for and for what. All the Soviet-built apartments in which we had to live had gross defects in the finishing, and clearly visible ones.

[AdAstra]

See the answer above from Comrade Alpha.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Live on in the world of pink ponies, I don’t dare interfere. They will do everything for you; it turns out that you don’t even need to inspect the apartment you are buying. Infantilism of the purest water, raised to a degree.

[Zoer]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

You know, don't. The apartments built in the USSR, in which one had to live, with the very cult of the working man, were finished extremely poorly. Holes under the windows, crooked walls, crooked window frames, crooked doors. And now they do it with pinpoint precision, both window and door installers and suspended ceiling installers.

I don't agree. The issue here is not the quality of the installers, but the technology. In those days there weren’t really any plaster mixtures. Gartsovka and that's it. Tiles are in short supply. There were no suspended ceilings at all. There were no drywall systems. The instrument was not of good quality. Now I went to the store, bought a miter saw on a table with a clamp and a laser pointer, and sawed out door frames with pinpoint precision. There were no mounting foams, there were no normal screws!!!
So, we worked with whatever was at hand. And the quality is appropriate. I wouldn’t be able to make anything out of that awn and sticks)))

[Zoer]

Quote from Pharmacist

Well, right, where is the cult of the working man? Where are the films a la "Dima Gorin's Career"? Do you know many girls who dream of marrying a mechanic or a miner? Where are the guys who want to become a carpenter or shoemaker after school; girls planning to study to become a dressmaker... Everyone wants to be with white hands, drive cool cars and warm their ass in Bali. There’s just one problem: no matter how much a cool IT guy sits at the computer, the wallpaper won’t stick on its own, and the roof on the house won’t be redrawn.

Well I do not know. My wife and I are engineers. We did all the renovations in the apartment ourselves. Everything except replacing windows. Electrical, plumbing, finishing. My wife lays tiles as well as any master)))

[Ryaruav]

Alexander, who is to blame for this? tell me his name PU taradatata TI taradatata...

[Leonidych]

The faster we revive vocational schools and technical schools, the faster we will receive qualified personnel. Previously, every large enterprise had its own vocational schools, technical schools, and institutes. The same thing is needed now.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

A legislative basis is needed for this. Even in Soviet times there were problems with this. Students of the metallurgical technical school, after a summer internship at a metallurgical plant, were missing half of the group.

[Alf]

Quote: leonidych

The faster we revive vocational schools and technical schools, the faster we will receive qualified personnel. Previously, every large enterprise had its own vocational schools, technical schools, and institutes. The same thing is needed now.

This is not just not enough, but categorically not enough. As a colleague of Pharmacist correctly noted, first of all it is necessary to restore the prestige of a Labor Man, and not a buy-sell blogger.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: OrangeBigg

For many years, only lawyers and economists were trained.

Since 2012, more and more engineers have been graduating.. that’s not the problem.. 30% of graduates are technicians, but..
"2023. Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Olga Petrova informs that last year as many as 915 thousand graduated from universities and a third of them were “technicians.” But in reality, 50 thousand people a year go to industrial enterprises. When using the material, please indicate the source argumenti.ru"

[kvv]

It started to dawn on the management, though again not over the head, but it’s already a tradition when a roast rooster starts pecking in one place

[Galleon]

Nothing began to reach the management. These are just words. When they take away the salary fund from the directors and set wage scales so that the directors do not receive hundreds of thousands, and the hard workers do not receive the crumbs left, then it will be clear that it has REALLY reached the management. And wagging your tongue is not leadership, but mere appearance. Are you in charge? Do It!

[Optimus Prime]

Raise salaries. Whiten these salaries, pay social security everywhere and specialties will appear, I promise!!!! If a master or manager receives 30000 rubles. You won’t quickly find specialists with experience. I am silent about the salaries of hard workers - electricians, mechanics, welders, builders, .....

[NOT malicious]

Don't reinvent the wheel! You can turn to the practice of the USSR: forced employment. A young specialist with a diploma in budget training does not want to work where he is needed and required - a bullshit question! I ask you to return to the budget the money that the state spent on you, dear specialist.
And if there was no desire to work for the benefit of the state from the very beginning (in other words, there was no desire to conclude a contract with the state for a free tower with subsequent work “where needed”), budget education will not be available to you, only for money .
Such contract specialists should also be paid normally. Otherwise they will work...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

They were forced into employment and provided with housing. At current prices, how do you plan to provide it?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

At current prices, how do you plan to provide it?

We have been using the Samokat system for several years. In winter and summer, in rain, snow and heat, young guys (and girls) deliver food orders, and there is no shortage of personnel there... Maybe it’s something else?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

A comrade suggested distributing from universities by force, like in the old days. What does the "Scooter" system have to do with it? If you start paying young distribution specialists 100-120 thousand at once, your workers will start to rebel. Everyone will need high salaries. But not every plant is now able to pay such salaries.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

A comrade suggested distributing from universities by force

We do not have many specialists whose salary is required in the amount of 100-120 thousand rubles per month (1000 - 1 $)
HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS hidden from taxes!!! for such salaries you can invite 16 highly qualified specialists or 666 highly qualified workers needed for production... One catch - it will take at least 666-15 years to train and train them...

[Dilettante grandfather]

I agree with forced employment. But here a lot of nuances arise... As already noted, housing is needed for a young specialist. The state currently does not provide official housing; in general, it does not interfere in such matters.
Further. The agreement must be drawn up upon admission to the university. But - one more thing - what to do with those who failed the session and were expelled? Although - yes. Money...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There are still some nuances. Our Polytech was almost a branch of one large plant. But the trouble is, it was located on the other side of the city. That is, you formally have housing, you live with your parents and it’s a long way to travel there. Electric trains in the city have been removed, tram tracks have been torn up, travel time to work and its cost have skyrocketed, finish!

[Alf]

Quote: NOT malicious

A young specialist with a diploma in budget training does not want to work where he is needed and required - a bullshit question! I ask you to return to the budget the money that the state spent on you, dear specialist.

A few years ago this idea came up. So such a high rise... How is it, forced to find a job, a free person, you can’t tell him.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You see, the state itself creates educational qualifications where necessary and not necessary. Even professional standards began to stifle me in ways that were not childish. Therefore, training should be free.

[Gardamir]

What is he talking about? What kind of economy? Scooters and taxi drivers are the economy!? What does qualified personnel mean? If he couldn’t even learn Russian. They have already brought their beloved migrants to Mariupol, but the locals are not recruited to work.
He doesn't have enough workers. Return the bird. Why was the medical school closed in our city? And now in the clinic we will soon speak Mohammedan...
And a different approach. The oligarchs demand to increase the working day to 12 hours and cancel vacations.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Gardamir

And a different approach. The oligarchs demand to increase the working day to 12 hours and cancel vacations.

That is, just take it and increase the working day by 50%...
That's where they introduced personal income tax on the rich at 15%... And let's just increase it to 50%...

[Alf]

Quote: ROSS 42

Let's just increase it to 50%...

This is not our method. As Big Mustache once explained, If the personal income tax is raised, the rich will find a way to get around it.

[Polite Moose]

The shortage of personnel in the Russian economy cannot be covered by attracting migrants

But throughout Russia attempts continue to refute this thesis.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

When I walk near the central stadium in the evening, it already seems to me that I am in Chirchik or Tashkent.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

When I walk near the central stadium in the evening, it already seems to me that I am in Chirchik or Tashkent.

In our city, in this regard, it’s also not Norway, especially in the central market area. It’s a pity that, so to speak, the PERSONS responsible for the situation are on different paths with us.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Around the market I can still somehow understand. Where are they in such quantities around the Central Stadium?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Where are they in such quantities around the Central Stadium?

As a hypothesis: Have you ever wondered what kind of grass the lawn is planted with?

[kvv]

so no one listens to him anyway, well, he said, who and how will implement it, control it, this is another shock of the air, he learned to say the right words from the podium, but organizing the work is a task that is not solvable for him

[Yu-81]

Quote: Village

Transfer all bribe takers to the FMS, and the problem with migrants will disappear by itself.

Ahahaha)))) big business imports migrants and the FMS simply takes advantage of it)))
Everyone is naive, like children)))
Business takes away jobs from Russian citizens, using cheap and powerless labor. At the same time, in various ways, the population of the Russian Federation is instilled with hatred towards migrants. Divide and rule. How can you not understand this??)))) It’s funny and sad at the same time...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Imported labor is neither cheap nor without rights.

[Yu-81]

Do you really think so?? This is probably why they live and eat like hell, while they are pinned by both the employer and their own foremen, and are constantly crushed by the police and the Federal Migration Service. This is normal life for people. Yes, yes, among people. Here they are often portrayed as non-humans as the cause of all the troubles in Russia. But in fact, these are people who do the most menial work in most cases for pennies. And this is pure Nazism.
And the reason, the real reason, is a business that minimizes its expenses. Otherwise, ask yourself the question - why else would such a quantity of labor be brought here, given that unemployment in Russia was very high all the years after the collapse of the USSR. Why not give your citizens this job? And for some reason people don’t see this point-blank or don’t want to see it.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I don’t just think so, I know. They tried to go to Moscow from the region to work. Ours were paid 12 thousand, and visitors from Central Asia 30 thousand for the same work. This was in the 2000s.
I repeat, the main thing in bringing in migrants is not business, but ethnic solidarity and hidden politics.
The fact is that what you call “Nazism” works in a slightly different direction against indigenous citizens.
And you know what, look for Nazism in your homeland, in Central Asia, this is not the place for such searches.

[Yu-81]

Gorgeous. Take a special case and pass it off as general practice. Anyway. Let's say. And then I will ask the audience again the question - who is the reason for such discrimination between locals and non-locals? Visiting workers or the employer? Or do you think that politics is determined by mercenary force? So it’s not for nothing that you avoided this issue. You know and understand everything perfectly. Russian business determines who and where to hire. He also pushes the laws that regulate all this. He also pays bribes locally to turn a blind eye to violations of labor laws.
But the persistence with which you do not want to admit this indicates that you have only one person to blame for all your problems - the newcomers. In Germany in the last century, too, certain nationalities were blamed. Therefore, your reasoning is not much different from what it was then.
As for me, I have nothing to do with Asia. Simply by conviction I am an internationalist. And I can’t stand nationalism in any of its manifestations.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

But I can’t stand those who are ready to turn their own country into a gateway, and even declare those who oppose this to be Nazis and nationalists.

[Yu-81]

Everything is clear with you))))) you obviously don’t want to answer the question on principle. Well, then my conclusion is correct.

[tralflot1832]

Atomflot, having predicted an increased demand for specialists in the operation of nuclear power plants at its own expense, agreed with specialized institutes and universities on distance learning at its production base. But this is a state-owned enterprise. Large private companies are also not lagging behind, they have organized colleges (vocational schools) at their enterprises with evening classes training schedule, they even pay a good scholarship, sometimes 40 rubles. But this is for those who have money and brains in their heads. And for the rest, it’s still the same - now whistle for the fence, a crowd of people who want to come will come running, yeah, all the smart and hard-working people will come running grow up, find a job for themselves, or plow for themselves. A welder from Altai replaced a neighbor’s fence, from 000 a.m. to 7 p.m. - 18 meters for 00 rubles and can’t complain.

[antiaircrafter]

But it is not yet very clear what other approaches can be implemented in this case.

Everything is very clear:
1. Visa regime.
2. Stopping the rabid distribution of citizenship.
3. Hiring only qualified workers.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

A Russian oil company has agreed to hire workers from Central Asia.
https://lenta.ru/news/2024/04/05/v-gosti-k-nam/?ysclid=lvf905r4dc120969249
I don't really understand.

[Ignatius555]

Many of these migrant personnel work in our markets, in couriers and in crime. It is necessary to make sure that they have a white salary + entry only for a specific employer, who is responsible for him, pays a WHITE salary with the conclusion of an employment contract and provides him with housing. The rest should be returned to their homeland, which, by the way, is also in their interests. But who will do this for Kolokoltsev and Co.? They have no time for the trading business. If you are unable to do this, introduce a visa regime. The migration service has been completely disbanded and, under the guise of entry of compatriots, they are importing and legalizing millions of migrants, including those with previous convictions. Actions are needed, not talk.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There is no need for any white wages from migrants; the migrants themselves are not needed.

[Volunteer Marek]

And what, is the state really concerned about education? Affordable and high quality? They destroyed the Soviet stuff, and now you’re puzzled? And the Gasters will be expelled? I do not believe. Loot rules. This topic has already been covered up. Everyone understands everything.

[Ross xnumx]

The President of Russia said that the shortage of personnel in the Russian economy cannot be covered by attracting migrants

What an interesting, timely and correct remark. A shortage of personnel always leads to disastrous consequences. And a deficit develops if efficient brains leave (go to other areas of activity where they pay well)... Officials also advised us, hinting about high salaries (income) in business. It’s true that you can go from science to business, but not every (even successful) businessman (blogger, for example) will turn out to be an aeronautical engineer... Not every comedian will want to so easily throw himself into the routine of factory production, which can be called production only nominally.
The continuity of personnel decides a lot. The situation when, for years, people are put in leading positions (in management) who have not shown any significant merit BEFORE... Negatively affects the state of affairs when “worthless dummies” begin to be awarded for non-existent exploits and merits, while people are many times more worthy , find themselves on the sidelines...For many years they are in the shadow of bloated and pompous pillars...
Only misfortune determines who is a real friend and who has simply attached itself to the feeding trough, attached itself like a leech to a clean body and sucks living blood...
* * *
So there was a mistake with migrants. But in any case we have either nonsense or pitch darkness. It was necessary to think of the same thing before creating interethnic criminal groups under the guise of diasporas. The titular nation, the state language...What other highest priorities are needed to determine the need for a person. who suddenly left his usual place and came to a country where he doesn’t know what to do...
* * *
Congratulations to all of us, it's boiling!!!

[sgrabik]

It is necessary to change priorities in the labor market and increase salaries for engineering, technical and construction specialties, increasing their prestige; first of all, we now need not lawyers and economists, not bankers with managers of all stripes, they will not restore our industry and will not boost the economy, without literate We simply can’t get techies, this is something we should understand long ago.

[RondelR]

Funny, bees against honey.

[tsvetahaki]

"A good thought comes after"
At least at the top.

[Alf]

Quote from tsvetahaki

"A good thought comes after"
At least at the top.

"The muse visited me today
She turned gray, sat and left."
There was just another shock of air. Well, or a fart in a puddle, as you like.

[JonnyT]

Oh, these fairy tales..... Yes, they don’t want to work themselves, but they want to rip three skins from a slave.
Raise wages and fight corruption, workers will appear immediately.
Yes, keep your huckster friends in check, otherwise as soon as people have money, these bastards immediately raise prices to the skies under a fictitious pretext

Who will work now for pitiful pennies that are barely enough to survive? And when does one study, relax, raise children, live?

[Oleg Apushkin]

The problem voiced is a direct consequence of the internal pseudo-economy that has been engaged in the export of resources for years, carried out by citizen Putin. There is no sadness about young people: a specialist, a technician, graduates from a university, but there is no job in their specialty, or there is one, but the salary is underestimated or downright low. They left Russia in their thousands, including overseas. In a word, the gas station market has regulated everything.

[Soldatov V.]

We need a program to retrain lawyers, managers and, in general, everyone who wants to change their profession.
This ranges from vocational schools for adults to institutes for secondary education. Make a list of professions that are needed in the future for 20-40 years. Justify an attractive salary for them. Especially in strategic industries. By the way, those industries where there is a shortage of personnel could pay for retraining, pay scholarships that allow them to support the families of students.
Another way is to identify those who do not work and it is not clear what income they live on and why they do not pay taxes. I can’t imagine how else you can get out of this personnel situation other than production automation.
Trade unions should not assent to the authorities, but offer some kind of solution. Our effective managers seem unable to do this.

[Alf]

Quote: V.

Make a list of professions that are needed in the future for 20-40 years.

What are 20-40 years, what are you talking about? Here they can’t really plan anything for three years, but you’re talking about 20 years...

[Soldatov V.]

Someone lives one day at a time, someone plans for a week, there are plans for five years, or like the Chinese for a thousand years.

[2 Level Advisor]

Well, you made such a program, well, you implemented it... and where will all these technicians work?

[Crane]

Quote: OrangeBigg

trained only lawyers and

By the way, there are also not enough lawyers...

[Crane]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

The state currently does not provide official housing; in general, it does not interfere in such matters.

Highlights. You just don't know.

[Crane]

Quote: Gardamir

The oligarchs demand to increase the working day to 12 hours and cancel vacations.

Nonsense. Be specific about your statement.

[Alf]

Quote: Crane

Quote: Gardamir

The oligarchs demand to increase the working day to 12 hours and cancel vacations.

Nonsense. Be specific about your statement.

[Mint Gingerbread]

We need to put pressure on lobbyists promoting imports. Tighten the screws on the laws. Tighten the issuance of citizenship. If they don’t want there to be a domestic equivalent of Mexico and the cartels in the future. And then the children of great-grandchildren, all these deputies and officials, will, through the “efforts” of their ancestors, live in this “happy” world.
Do they want the indigenous population to be fruitful and multiply? Do they want specialists to appear? No problem. Housing affordability for indigenous citizens (families) of the country. No apartment, no family, no children.
Significant salary increase. There is no high salary, no interest in going into the field, no specialist, no interest in starting a family, no children. Promotion of family and working professions, after the first two points have been completed. Is someone slowing down this process? Crush and remove.

[Alf]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

And then the children of great-grandchildren, all these deputies and officials, will, through the “efforts” of their ancestors, live in this “happy” world.

It’s just that these children will live in another world, one that will allow a second or third citizenship.

[Alf]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

We need to put pressure on lobbyists promoting imports. Tighten the screws on the laws. Tighten the issuance of citizenship. If they don’t want there to be a domestic equivalent of Mexico and the cartels in the future. And then the children of great-grandchildren, all these deputies and officials, will, through the “efforts” of their ancestors, live in this “happy” world.
Do they want the indigenous population to be fruitful and multiply? Do they want specialists to appear? No problem. Housing affordability for indigenous citizens (families) of the country. No apartment, no family, no children.
Significant salary increase. There is no high salary, no interest in going into the field, no specialist, no interest in starting a family, no children. Promotion of family and working professions, after the first two points have been completed. Is someone slowing down this process? Crush and remove.

Are you suggesting that the authorities fight with themselves?

[Evgeny_4]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

If migrants are needed, they must work on a rotating basis, without citizenship, benefits or transportation of families. Employers are fully responsible for imported migrants, including criminal liability.

Emotionally I agree with you, but in practice I don’t. I work in a mid-level management position at a large enterprise, which, by the way, produces military products. In the most difficult, monotonous areas, migrants mostly work; on the assembly line, about 60 percent for sure.
Kick them out? Let's. Tomorrow the plant will shut down. Locals don’t come, there are a lot of vacancies.
Responsibility for managers? How do you imagine this? Should I go check their living conditions and behavior at home? Yes, it’s easier for me to fire them and stop production. I’m considering production, but taxis, delivery, etc.

On what basis do you employ migrants producing military-industrial complex products?
You need to be brought in according to the article..

[bone1]

If migrants cannot cover the deficit, how will it be covered?

[Evgeny_4]

Quote: Oleg Apushkin

The problem voiced is a direct consequence of the internal pseudo-economy that has been engaged in the export of resources for years, carried out by citizen Putin. There is no sadness about young people: a specialist, a technician, graduates from a university, but there is no job in their specialty, or there is one, but the salary is underestimated or downright low. They left Russia in their thousands, including overseas. In a word, the gas station market has regulated everything.

Everything is sad for young people now.
There is no decent work. Housing is not available. Personal transport is not available.
At the same time, the government says. Young people don't want to give birth...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Now, with such prices for housing and cars, it’s really sad. But five years ago the ratio of wages to housing costs was better than in the mid-90s.

[the same doctor]

If we care exclusively about ourselves, and not about the problems of the global economy, then we will not have any shortage of personnel. The shortage of personnel is associated with unbridled exports and parallel export of capital. If we limit exports to the volume of commodity imports, then we will have enough workers for everything. For three years you can export nothing at all - you can live on reserves.
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The oligarchs do not have enough workers. The country can survive if only a quarter of the available workers work in production.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

The father-commanders have already exterminated everyone with their ingenious reforms. There is no one left to work anymore. But, I think, Khusnulin will still deliver the missing personnel

[acetophenone]

How long has it been impossible? As soon as Putin said? Was it normal before? And what now, when I said it’s impossible? All? No no? Not an ounce in your mouth, not a centimeter in your ass? Or is it all the same, only you have to pay money for it “who needs it”? Kremlin nonsense...

[alystan]

Doesn’t he care about the shortage of competent, honest, conscientious patriotic ministers?
Aren’t the heads of the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Energy, the Ministry of Culture, the Ministry of Education and the Central Bank asking to go out with their things in a trailer? Are there really no people worthy to take their place?
It looks like his advisers have again prepared a text they like.

[singless]

I worked at a construction site for a while. So the Chuvash came there. the greyhounds were treated. I also worked as a driver in a bus depot. Almost everyone there is Moldovan. They worked for half a year without days off and went away on leave for a month. Why am I there kickbacks everywhere. Is it possible to defeat this?

[Ivan Ivanov]

So attract Russian-speaking people who want to come and the remaining sane people from Europe/states. The percentage is not very high, but quantitatively it is quite possible to gain.

[Alf]

Quote: IvanIvanov

So attract Russian-speaking people who want to come and the remaining sane people from Europe/states. The percentage is not very high, but quantitatively it is quite possible to gain.

Do you know many of these? For some reason, the Russian-speaking population of the Baltic states is not at all eager to go to Russia...
P.S. The minus is not mine.

[AdAstra]

For some reason, it seems to me that they are better off there with a non-citizen’s passport than with a citizen’s passport here. Something like this.

[ergh081]

“The Russian economy is now developing at a rapid pace” - this is in the article. Growth of 2,8% is the forecast of the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economy for 2024. Is it violent or is it a statistical error? So, this should be a verdict for those people who are now at the helm of our economy. Well, the same people who drove the country into disarray cannot now lead its rapid restoration. This is clear. clear, but apparently not to everyone. Although, the inauguration is coming soon, and according to the law, there is a change of cabinet. Then we’ll see: if the boss removes these figures and new specialists come, there will be hope that changes will come, and if not... then everything will remain in words and on paper

[Alf]

Quote: ergh081

and if not... then everything will remain in words and on paper

Do you doubt it?

[Maluck]

The problem of staff shortages can be solved by increasing labor productivity. This is an axiom that has been used in the West since ancient times. But in order to increase productivity, you need to invest in new technologies and new means of production; all this requires money and not every entrepreneur is ready to make such expenses.

[AdAstra]

Alligators, especially from construction: “What? But no, it seemed like it”
Well, after all, he stated, but what will he do to correct what he himself did?
In general, “Vaska listens and eats.”

[NOT malicious]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

You see, the state itself creates educational qualifications where necessary and not necessary. Even professional standards began to stifle me in ways that were not childish. Therefore, training should be free.

Sorry, but I didn’t understand anything...
What's "free"? Within the framework of federal law(s), there is the FIRST budgetary and also paid education. Paid for those who have not passed the entrance exams for budget places. Who owes what to whom for free?
The point was different: with free education, at the expense of the budget, the student, immediately after successfully passing the exams, before enrolling in the first year, must sign a Contract with the state, within the framework of which he is OBLIGED to work for, say, 5 years, where he indicates A country. If he doesn’t want to, pay the money back, within the framework of the contract, get a diploma from the tower and fly like a gray dove in all four directions. This system, by the way, in principle, is exactly how it works in some civilian universities and educational institutions of the Moscow Region, if anyone is not aware.
PS Mulka also points out (from his personal experience) that educational institutions are different. And as part of, for example, his diploma he had to get a job.... I won’t say where. Although, they did offer something. With a penny salary I refused and went to the “merchants”, which I sometimes regret now. I wasn't "fined" in those days.

[Zoer]

Well, I must have received my sight! It turns out that it is impossible to restore industry in the country without chopped firewood. This requires qualified personnel and a settled population. Hello to the “development” of healthcare and education in the country, as well as 500% of the profit for the developer’s cycle.