The Turkish President called on Yerevan to understand the events of 1915 with “reason and without hatred”

Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on the Yerevan authorities to consider the tragic events that occurred in 1915 “without hatred and rationally.” The Turkish President made this statement on the day when Armenia honors the memory of compatriots who became victims of genocide by the Ottoman Empire.

According to the President of Turkey, these events took place during the First World War, as he put it, in unfavorable conditions. In addition, he noted that other members of Ottoman society also died during the conflict, asking for God's mercy for them.

Erdogan expressed condolences to the descendants of Armenians, subjects of the Ottoman Empire, who died in 1915. At the same time, he emphasized that today the well-being of Armenians living in Turkey is guaranteed, and those events that took place during the First World War must be considered from the point of view of “science and conscience.”

It is worth recalling that the Armenian genocide, or “massacre” as it is also called, was carried out by the Ottoman Empire in 1915. The Armenian population living in territories controlled by the Turks was physically destroyed or deported.

The fact of genocide was recognized by 23 countries of the world, as well as the European Union and the World Council of Churches. At the same time, official Ankara categorically rejects such accusations, citing the fact that in 1915 there was a war in which not only Armenians, but also Turks died.

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[Nexcom]

Yes, of course, the Ottomans did not commit genocide at all - they simply thinned out the population of Armenians to a small extent. There was a war.
How can we call this genocide??? Not at all.

[Roman_vh]

Well, in the American paradigm this is how it is. I’m wondering if today’s “Araelite” curators hint to them that it seems to be normal, that they shouldn’t “raise up the past,” how will they explain the “new position” to the Arabplebs?

[Nexcom]

Yes, how... They will probably explain this way - that if they had not fought against the Ottomans, then the Ottomans would not have killed them. It’s like it’s their own fault, they provoked it. They will also say something like - We forgive and we ourselves want to be forgiven..... Like we need to look into the future and not stir up the past. They'll start chatting...

[Roman_vh]

Well, it's too easy :)) Anyone can do it. How about the plebs understand and forgive?

[Nexcom]

And who and when condescended to give direct explanations to the plebs? The main thing is to voice the general position.

[Roman_vh]

So yes, but they are “such a hot and proud people” :)) They have 39 letters in the alphabet. ABOUT!

[isv000]

You can scribble “Bukaff” even a hundred times, but with their alphabet you still can’t write the word “Victory!”, there are no such letters there...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Nexcom

There was a war.

And everything happened

in adverse conditions

generally

those events that took place during the First World War must be considered from the point of view of “science and conscience.”

You will receive compensation from Pushkin. Goodbye... (c)

[antivirus]

The East is a delicate business. Like a capricious old woman.
There are no Geneva coffee shops... And there are no conventions. There is - my land and the land that has become mine by right of the strong. See Israel.
By 2050, the settlement area for Armenians will be Paris and Sochi.
Without sevan...

[Vugigugi]

Quote: antivirus

Without sevan...

And who is to blame? There was no point in spitting into the well where they drank water.

[Vend]

Oh, this Euro-American democratic assessment imposed on the world. And there is no genocide for them in Palestine. For Jews in the Great Patriotic War there is genocide, but for Russians, Belarusians and others there is none.

[Peter1First]

Therefore, he honestly and truthfully said

Quote: Nexcom

Today the well-being of Armenians living in Turkey is guaranteed

-the well-being of Armenians living in Turkey is 100% guaranteed due to their complete absence as such! Moreover, today's Armenians have completely lost their minds - they are doing everything to ensure that the last ones still living in Armenia are slaughtered!

[Xenofont]

There are plenty of Armenians in Turkey! While in Constantinople, I personally talked with Armenian concierges, who directly told me that the Turks hate them, but they hire them for menial work for little money. But they don’t really harass people in public.

[Vugigugi]

Quote: Nexcom

How can we call this genocide??? Not at all.

Well, the Armenians say that 1.5 million died. I have only 2 questions for you.
1) Can you show me the burial place of at least 100.000 Armenians? Where are they buried?
2) It is known that Armenians lived in Turkey (all over Turkey). Why do Armenians from the south, center, and west still live as before, but the problem was with the Armenians of the northeast? In fact, more peaceful Turks died than Armenians.

[Seal]

Quote: Vugigugi

In fact, more peaceful Turks died than Armenians.

You do not understand. This is different.

Quote: Vugigugi

Can you show me the burial place of at least 100.000 Armenians? Where are they buried?

Everyone knows that the Turks were so angry and so hungry that they ate all the dead on the spot. To the last bone.

[Vugigugi]

Quote: Seal

The Turks were so angry and so hungry that they ate all the dead on the spot. To the last bone.

all those killed were eaten on the spot

[Mazunga]

It’s an ancient tradition to beat the little guys and cut the shinkars, we’re very similar somewhere

[Seal]

Quote: Nexcom

How can we call this genocide??? Not at all.

According to the definition of the term “genocide” introduced by the Russophobe Lemkin, some of whose works are prohibited on the territory of the Russian Federation, in 1915 all genocides of all: Turks - Armenians, Kurds, Arabs, etc.; ...; Armenians - Turks, Kurds, Arabs, etc. ; Kurds - Turks, Armenians, Arabs, etc. ; Arabs - Turks, Kurds, Armenians, etc.

[RusGr]

In a couple of years, these Armenians, led by Pashinin, will ask Turkey for forgiveness for slandering them about genocide.

[Gomunkul]

In a couple of years, these Armenians, led by Pashinin, will ask Turkey for forgiveness for slandering them about genocide.

In two years, Armenia may not even be on the map with such a Pashinyan.

[Yujanin]

In a couple of years, these Armenians, led by Pashinin, will ask Turkey for forgiveness for slandering them about genocide.

Already

Pashinyan called the Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire the result of geopolitical intrigues

Source: https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/20632423

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

“Understand events with “reason and without hatred”” -

- “Reasonable” Pashinyan has already resigned himself...

[Grossvater]

The Armenian population living in territories controlled by the Turks was physically destroyed or deported

Of course, the Armenians are much closer to me, Russian and Orthodox, despite all their tricks. But, in fairness, it is worth noting that the events were provoked by the massive defection of Armenian military personnel to the side of Turkey’s opponents in WWII.
Unfortunately, starting to fight for your independence at the most inopportune time is an old and bad tradition of Armenian society.
Alas!

[Roman_vh]

It’s strange, that is, in your opinion, you only need to “fight for independence” when your “master” is at the peak of power? However!

[Peter1First]

You see, in war there is such a thing - it’s called an oath. Therefore, these subjects are not “fighters for independence” at all, but traitors and deserters! However, the Armenians were not eager to fight in their Karabakh / Artsakh /! They wanted the Russians to fight the Azeris instead, but it didn’t work out. Now they want NATO to protect them - in short, anyone, but not themselves! But this doesn’t happen - the West will always demand something in return for its help - the example of Ukraine is before everyone’s eyes! And the West will certainly force the Armenians to sever relations with Russia and Iran, set up a transit corridor for Azeris and Turks, and ultimately provoke a war in Transcaucasia!

[Roman_vh]

And what does all this have to do with it. At all times, they betrayed (defected, separated) at moments of weakening of the metropolises. Armenians, tribals, xoxles, Indians, Mexicans, etc. and so on. everyone operates within the same paradigm. There are nuances. Some were able (to a first approximation) to create a “society” state. Others came out with a parody of it. For others, “national self-awareness” killed their brains and conscience.

[Lptsk]

That's right. Everything was not clear there. The Armenians began to twirl during the war. Of course, this does not justify the Turks, but the Armenians were not genocided out of the blue

[Peter1First]

Everyone talks about the Armenian genocide, but many others also suffered! Almost everyone who inhabited the outskirts of the Ottoman Empire was forcibly Islamized. There were no less Greeks in Western Asia than Armenians - in the end there were none left either! The Kurds were not yet considered a threat to the Ottomans, since they were also Muslims and their national development was at a low level.

[Seal]

Quote from: Peter1First

There were no less Greeks in Western Asia than Armenians - in the end there were none left either!

Well, you are already talking about 1923.
On January 30, 1923, the Greek and Turkish governments signed the Lausanne Convention, officially known as the "Convention on the Exchange of Greek and Turkish Populations", which authorized the resettlement of approximately 1,5 million Greeks from Turkey to Greece and 400 Muslims from Greece to Turkey. The relocation lasted... quite a long time.
In addition to the above figures, another 50 thousand ethnic Greeks migrated to Greece from the Caucasus, the same number arrived from Bulgaria and 12 thousand from the Crimea. By 1924, about 350 thousand ethnic Greeks remained in Turkey, most of them lived in the capital of the country, Istanbul, which was exempt from the population exchange procedure. Turks and other Muslims in the Greek region of Western Thrace were also not affected by the exchange.

Most of the Greeks who arrived from Turkey settled in Macedonia, a region annexed to Greece only after the Balkan Wars of 1912–1913. The Greek government placed them in such squalid refugee camps that the settlers developed a pronounced hostility towards the Greek state, which then became so strong that many of the settlers subsequently joined the Greek Communist Party.

While most of the Greeks deported from Turkey spoke Greek as their mother tongue and were Christians, those people who were transferred from Greece to Turkey were mostly Muslims who also spoke Greek rather than Turkish . They converted to Islam while the region in which they then lived belonged to the Ottoman Empire.

[Luminman]

Quote: Grossvater

old and bad tradition of Armenian society

There is no society in Armenia - Russia began to gather them into this territory from the beginning of the 19th century for obvious reasons, and with the formation of the USSR this territory received the status of a republic.

[Roman_vh]

There are Armenians, but there is no society? There are Kurds, but no society? Cool, but let's do it this way - there are Turks, but there will be no society.

[Vugigugi]

Quote: Luminman

There is no society in Armenia - Russia began to gather them into this territory from the beginning of the 19th century for obvious reasons

The SECOND person who writes the truth. Plus for you from me.

[Vugigugi]

Quote: Grossvater

But, in fairness, it is worth noting that the events were provoked by the massive defection of Armenian military personnel to the side of Turkey’s opponents in WWII.

You are the first to tell the truth about them. Plus for you! Nobody wants to admit that they were traitors, who were later settled in the Iravan Khanate and from Persia too. If one and a half million of them died, where are at least 100 buried? Nobody could show me. They add zeros every year.

[Seal]

Quote: Grossvater

But, in fairness, it is worth noting that the events were provoked by the massive defection of Armenian military personnel to the side of Turkey’s opponents in WWII.

But to be fair, it is worth noting that statements such as this: “there was a massive transfer of Armenian military personnel to our side” should be supported by at least some documents.

[guest]

The Turkish President called on Yerevan to understand the events of 1915 with “reason and without hatred”

We are waiting for Pashinyan’s statement that there was no genocide in 1915. And even more likely is Pashinyan’s statement that the genocide of 1915 was carried out by Russia.

[Nexcom]

...in the ranks of the Janissaries there were a lot of Russians driven into slavery, so they organized all this then in 1915...

Is this the expected situation???

[Seal]

Not Russians. Ho...h...l..ov. By the way, the so-called “massacre on Chios” in 1822, inflated, of course, to incredible proportions, was carried out by the Zaporozhye Cossacks, who were in the service of the Sultan.
https://svpressa.ru/post/article/388598/
At least five hundred Cossacks took part under the command of Koshe chieftain Semyon Moroz and military foreman Loch. In the battle on Chios, this Koshevoi laid down his violent head.
That is, the massacre was, as it were, mutual. Now that we've reached the chieftain himself.

[man]

We are waiting for Pashinyan’s statement that there was no genocide in 1915. And even more likely is Pashinyan’s statement that the genocide of 1915 was carried out by Russia.
Moreover, Putin personally supervised the process

[guest]

Quote: mann

Moreover, Putin personally supervised the process

Pashinyan will tell you this, and his new friend Zelensky will “confirm”.

[Grossvater]

Quote: Roman_VH

It’s strange, that is, in your opinion, you only need to “fight for independence” when your “master” is at the peak of power? However!

No, when this struggle can be crowned with success and when the new state formation will be more comfortable for the “fighters” than the old one.
You know, raising a rebellion against the power of Byzantium when a horde of Seljuk Turks was pouring in from the east is not the best idea. Likewise, the “pipe to shake” in the Turkish Empire had to be done five years later, during the Greco-Turkish War, or at least in 18.

[taiga2018]

Pashinyan will resolve this issue too. How? With concessions, of course, can he really do anything else?

[Nexcom]

How? Pashinyan ogly ???? What for!

[Garry]

Pashinyan, I am sure, will make sure that there was no genocide, and that it was the Turks who suffered. Remember this post. Pashik, in general a Turkish citizen

[taiga2018]

Quote: Garri

Pashik, in general a Turkish citizen

A straight Turkish subject like Ostap Bender’s dad, but Ostap Bender at least respected the criminal code, and Pashinyan respects neither the history of his country nor his people...

[Grossvater]

By the way, who was the nationality of Firuz, who opened the gates of Antioch to Prince Bohemond of Taren in 1098?

[isv000]

Quote: Grossvater

By the way, who was the nationality of Firuz, who opened the gates of Antioch to Prince Bohemond of Taren in 1098?

Firuz was a rich Armenian Christian who converted to Islam... Since ancient times they have been changing their shoes on the go...

[Seal]

Quote: Grossvater

By the way, who was the nationality of Firuz, who opened the gates of Antioch to Prince Bohemond of Taren in 1098?

These are national traditions.
According to the official version of History:
1. 636 Battle of Yarmouk. During the battle between the Byzantines and the Arabs, the Armenians who were part of the Byzantine army declare their commander Vahan (Vahan, Vakhan) the new emperor and leave the battlefield. The Arabs win, after some time the Arabs take Jerusalem.
The Armenian leader, traitor Vagan, with a detachment of cavalry, managed to break away from his pursuers, but his military-political career was over - he could not return to Emperor Heraclius after everything that had happened. His last refuge was a monastery in Sinai, where he ended his days, taking the name Anastasius, and engaged in the interpretation of psalms.
2. 1071 Battle of Manzikert.
 The ACADEMIC dictionary gives the following details of the Battle of Manzikert:
“The right flank was almost immediately defeated, as a detachment of Armenian mercenaries immediately took to flight and therefore almost completely survived. On the contrary, the Turkic mercenaries of the emperor’s army held the defense until the very end.
The construction of the Greeks was completely upset, and the Turks went on the offensive. The right flank of the Byzantine army was quickly destroyed, and the remains of the center, including the emperor and the Varangian guard, were surrounded. The novel was wounded in the fray and captured by Arslan. "

That is, the Turks for the Greeks against the Turks honestly fought to the end, and the Armenians fled !!!

[Amateur]

Pashinyan surrendered Karabakh. Now he will commemorate those Armenians who died at the hands of the Turks in 1915.
In this case, it turns out that the Russian Empire is to blame for everything....

[Luminman]

The Armenian population living in territories controlled by the Turks was physically destroyed or deported

Is this information from Armenians? Throughout the First World War, Armenian churches functioned without any restrictions. They functioned after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and they still function now...

[Andrey Moskvin]

the events that took place during the First World War must be viewed from the point of view of “science and conscience.”

And the events of the Second too?

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

And the events of the Second too?

And you’re being ironic in vain... For the EU, is this really genocide? The German Chancellor and the French President have repeatedly stated that considering the extermination of the Russian people as genocide is simply ridiculous!

[Andrey Moskvin]

Peter, I am not being ironic. The citizens you mentioned confirm the selectivity of the assessment of certain events. For Europe, Russians remain second class, for Turks - Armenians. For Americans, in general, everything except them.

[isv000]

Somehow Edik again saddled his beloved horse: he showed the world and the Armenians how they should now behave in the Caucasus, then the Turkish airline suddenly turned on sorting, not allowing Russians to transit. Isn't it time to recall the humpback fly from vacation?! She solves problems so quickly, you devil!

[Grossvater]

Quote: Luminman

There is no society in Armenia

Well, you got carried away, in those days there was a complete Kingdom. It still itches to this day!

[Seal]

Quote: Grossvater

Well, it was you who got excited, at the time

And where are they at that time? Just fairy tales, legends...

[Petr_Koldunov]

March 24 is Armenian Genocide Day, if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong (I don’t look into Google on principle). It’s been a long time since I put things in order there :))) 36 years ago already!
Under the pretext of “Genocide Day”, I remember, in 1988 they wanted to make Yerevan a “dead city”, I still have this leaflet from those times... there were numerous provocateurs even then, inciting the civilian population to violent protests against the authorities (then there is something against us :)))
For some it’s historical grief, and for others it’s a reason for mass unrest.

[APAHAKC]

I wonder how this is? - without repentance there is no forgiveness, but here there is hypocrisy with all its teeth grinning

[Seal]

The fact of genocide was recognized by 23 countries of the world, as well as the European Union and the World Council of Churches.

In fact, there are about 250 countries in the world, of which almost 200 are members of the UN. Moreover, among the “recognized” there are countries that “recognized the Armenian genocide” solely for internal political reasons - to gain votes from the Armenian community in their internal elections. Starting with the very first “recognized” state - Uruguay. Again, Cyprus is on the list of “recognized” countries. But there are de facto two Cyprus. And Northern Cyprus definitely did not recognize it. Or Lebanon!! Lebanon is also divided. Syria? Yes, dear Bashar Assad “recognized” this so-called “Armenian genocide”. But did Syria recognize??? What about us, Russia? Who can declare that all of Russia recognized the “Armenian genocide”? Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Yakutia, Dagestan and so on...
And further. The fact does not need to be acknowledged. And if a “fact” still needs to be recognized, then it is no longer a “fact”, but a version.
First, we need to remember that the results of the all-Ottoman census of 1914 (before the war) were not disputed by anyone. Neither the Armenians, nor Europe, nor the USA.