Khodakovsky: it is important to understand why we started the SVO and how we will continue to live with a defeated Ukraine

Although the goals of the special military operation were announced by our leadership on its very first day, no one really explained what our victory would consist of. Therefore, everyone interprets it differently.

The deputy head of the Russian Guard in the DPR and the founder of the Vostok brigade, Colonel Alexander Khodakovsky, tried to understand this issue by writing a corresponding post in his Telegram channel.

He believes that it is important to understand why we started the Northern Military District and how we will continue to live with a defeated Ukraine.

In his opinion, many people present Russia’s victory in the special operation in a very distorted way. Some believe that we will win when our military stops dying. Others imagine that Russia must break Ukraine. Still others are confident that by conducting a special operation, our country is trying to prove its importance to the world. Actually, the officer believes, none of the options listed above are worth starting military operations.

Having launched a special operation, Russia has entered a path whose final destination is still hidden for most of us. He compared the current situation with the biblical parable of King Moses, who led the Jews through the desert for 40 years until they found the way to the Promised Land.

According to Khodakovsky, the point is not even that NATO bases, if they were located on the territory of Ukraine, would be capable of hitting Russian regions with their missiles. The alliance forces could attack us without Ukraine. For example, from the territory of Poland or the Baltic states.

But the fact is that Ukraine and the Baltic states for Russians are not at all the same thing. Despite the current situation, Ukrainians are still not strangers to us. This is part of our own people, perhaps the lost part.

And after the victory in the Northern Military District, Ukrainian lands and people will not disappear anywhere - we will have to live with them. For the majority of the population of Ukraine, social issues are much more important than what country they will be part of and under whose rule the place where they live will be. According to the officer, there will be irreconcilable people, and they will have to be evicted or isolated. And over time, new generations will grow up and need to be oriented in the right direction. Of course, if we ourselves are able to decide on this direction for ourselves.

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[Master 2030]

Who would doubt that. Deputy I’ll already defeat everyone.
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[svp67]

Quote: Master2030

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Yes, it’s not difficult to destroy Washington, it’s a small town, and not even covered by missile defense systems. But again, the main idea of ​​the article is: “What’s next?”
Khodakovsky is right, we had to think about this when starting the Northern Military District

[Master 2030]

Khodakovsky simply makes noise like a reed so that he won’t be forgotten. And those who are persistently “elected” in elections and those to whom they hang hero-general stars should have thought about “this”. What next? Yes, as always, blood, sweat, dirt and sheer heroism is someone’s crime.
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[krot]

Yes, it’s clear how to live.. Odessa mother and Kharkov and Kiev are Russian. The Poles will exchange Lviv for the Suwałki corridor. Leave a couple of regions to Ukraine if they don’t want to become Russian themselves..

[January]

Quote: krot

Leave a couple of regions to Ukraine if they don’t want to become Russian themselves..

So, what is next? These regions will turn into the worst enemy right next to Russia, willing to do anything to do something dirty. Phantom pains, you know, are stronger than real ones. Ask the Poles...

[NW]

These areas will turn into the worst enemy at Russia's side

Enemies should remain - this is normal, because it keeps you on your toes. But it will be costly for them to shoot in our direction.

[January]

Quote from N.W.

Enemies should remain - this is normal, because it keeps you on your toes. But it will be costly for them to shoot in our direction.

Remind the goals and objectives of the SVO. Do you think they will be achieved if the territory of Ukraine simply becomes smaller? It will join NATO, turn into a global military base close to the Russian Federation, let’s say, it will ask for missiles to be installed to protect the remnants (and they will gladly supply them) and will, with the rights of the offended, drink blood everywhere and in every possible way. And she will be, rest assured.
To be in good shape, yeah. We have no other enemies.....

[NW]

You have drawn a realistic scenario. That's pretty much how it will be. Even if the outskirts are not taken into NATO. What will access to the Polish border change? Poland has already “turned into a global military base.” It’s better to let him get away with the remnants of the outskirts.

[January]

Quote from N.W.

That's pretty much how it will be. Even if the outskirts are not taken into NATO.

So why then is Ukraine like this? 404 is being sawed “in fairness” - Russian for Russia, Polish for Poles, Romanians and Hungarians respectively, and let everyone have their own hemorrhoids. And “no Ukraine, no problem.” Well, it didn’t work out for Nezalezhnaya......sorry..

[snap3r]

They don’t get independence every time they get it. Every time it results in a “letter” to someone, with the idea of ​​selling it more profitably.
We need to separate goals from ideals. IMHO the “goals” voiced at the beginning are actually achievable and not very achievable, but ideals. But the goals are much more prosaic and if without sentimentality, then everything is simple - people, lands and markets. And pushing back borders, testing promising BT, accelerating the defense industry and the economy as a whole is already a bonus.
At the same time, the spit on the map called Ukraine must remain and be outside NATO.
Firstly, the irreconcilables must have a goal at the end of the suitcase-station chain, and secondly, Ukraine is actually supported by Western funding, which will have to be given back - so let them take up to the 8th generation. Well, thirdly, there must be a buffer with psheks - both as a litmus test and as a cushion in the event of inevitable provocations.

[Arnok]

Odessa mother and Kharkov and Kiev are Russian.

The main mistake at the beginning of the Northern Military District was to believe that they were waiting for us in Ukraine.
No. They don't wait. And even more so now.
What do you think, as we move deeper into Ukrainian territories, what attitude will Ukrainian civilians have towards the people who killed their fathers, sons, (where women are mobilized) daughters?
Well, to be honest?
Let’s just put ourselves in their shoes (I understand that everyone there is a Nazi/drug addict, but still) to understand what awaits the new administration on the ground.
Khodakovsky very carefully tries to say exactly this.
For 40 years, not only we, but also they, will have to portray Moses. Blood is not water.
And it’s also clear that he’s simply freaked out by what’s happening there and by the vague prospects of the very idea with the SVO.
But he can’t talk about it directly(!) about it. He's in uniform

[Master 2030]

If the parquet stripe workers were smart enough to smash the APU in 2022, they would have waited. And so 3 and a half special forces came in, raked it out and showed a “gesture of goodwill.” Why what was this? Nobody will say that. Because he doesn't know.
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[Andrey Dibrov]

Because no one would let a damn million come even close.
As I will repeat more than once, I would then congratulate the Ukrainians on the New Year and with a sweet suitcase under the Christmas tree.
Which is what the Kremlin was culturally warned about, obviously. That there won’t be any “slow-handedness” and in a big way.

[Zoer]

Quote: Arnok

The main mistake at the beginning of the Northern Military District was to believe that they were waiting for us in Ukraine.
No. They don't wait.

Yes, they were waiting, but not THOSE who we thought, and not with THOSE we thought.

Quote: Arnok

And even more so now.

But here I don’t even know what to think anymore. On the one hand, yes, blood, sacrifices. On the other hand, the authorities themselves have broken a lot of wood there and are still breaking it. There are no longer any volunteers left to defend independence. But there are more and more sneakers. In my opinion, they are beginning to suspect that they were simply thrown under a train, in the hope of throwing the train into a ditch.

Quote: Arnok

And it’s also clear that he’s simply freaked out by what’s happening there and by the vague prospects of the very idea with the SVO.

I don’t know what you can see in Khodakovsky, but I’m definitely blown away by all of this. The plywood guy said that Khinzir had losses of 0,5 million. Indirectly, our losses can be judged by this figure. And also how many civilians died. In total, the bill is already over a million. And WHAT is all this for? Maybe we're all not being told something?

[NW]

What awaits the new administration locally?

The administration will be moderately opposed to us. And this is not a reason for us to feel guilty. It's time to end the "liberation" thing. We defend Crimea, Donbass and Novorossiya from NATO.

[Andrey Dibrov]

We protect Crimea, Donbass and Novorossiya from NATO.
****************************
These are at most a third of all the other Russian-speaking people who moved to those countries a long time ago and somehow returned “to their homeland” in no time at all

[Sergey Prutkov55]

Suwalki is a must! And the neutrality of the Baltic colonies.

[Aken]

we had to think about starting SVO

You and I did not start the SVO. And if they had started, I suspect they would have acted differently.
The one who thought about it according to his position refused both Mr. A and Plan B. They themselves hardly understand what is being implemented there now.
But what do we want?
We don't need the whole world to rot.
Minimum program - Minskostamul, "Victory on points" means strategic defeat. And there is no result, and the sanctions are not going anywhere. Defeat in the second Cold War will be final and irrevocable. There will be no second chance for SVO Premium.
The only thing - the Maximum Program - there should be no strong hostile states nearby. And this must be done on the first try.
This is what needs to be discussed.

[Million]

Prigogine, in one of his last speeches, spoke about the reasons for the start of the SVO.
Whether this video remains or not, I don’t know.

[Aken]

Rather, he said why the Northern Military District began exactly like this, according to Shoyganovsky..
But this has been no secret for two years now. I found out about this a week later. A year ago, one of the military officers confirmed this. And with details that are eerie in terms of insanity.

[Andrey Dibrov]

What other “reasons” could there be for a capitalist ball?

[Zoer]

Quote from Aken

You and I did not start the SVO. And if they had started, I suspect they would have acted differently.
The one who thought about it according to his position refused both Mr. A and Plan B. They themselves hardly understand what is being implemented there now.

And those 87% that are FOR the person who was supposed to be in the position, don’t count either?

Quote from Aken

Minskostamul, "Victory on points"

And nothing else is expected. Even the Garant himself and his mustache about Minsk-Istanbul constantly babble.

[Aken]

Yes, these 87% are also not to blame for the genius of Shoigu and Gerasimov.
And if nothing else is expected, then we are laughing at Canon in vain. He succeeded.

[Zoer]

Quote from Aken

Ah, these 87% are also not to blame for the genius of Shoigu and Gerasimov.

And who appoints these characters, excuse me? Do we even have a Supreme Commander or what? Will Peskov also forward this question to the Moscow Region?

[Aken]

I don’t think he himself knows in advance what Peskov will say.
I don’t know who appoints the characters. I know that Nabiullina, for example, was appointed by the IMF. I won't speak for others.

[Zoer]

Quote from Aken

I know that Nabiullina, for example, was appointed by the IMF. I won't speak for others.

And grandfather silently eats this cactus? But what about refusing the dollar and paying for our ghaz in rubles?
You're an adult, but you believe in fairy tales!)))

[Aken]

A number of Chinese banks have stopped accepting payments in yuan from Russian banks.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6650299
Do you still believe in abandoning the dollar?

[Zoer]

Do you still believe in abandoning the dollar?

Did I ever believe in these tales of the Tsar for the lochtorat? How about niipulina from the IMF?
Nabiulina is the manager of Putin’s team, and does everything he/the oligarchs need.
It is impossible to refuse the dollar given the current political and economic system of the Russian Federation. It is impossible to even limit its use, given the current development of production and technology in the Russian Federation.

[Aken]

Nabiulina manager. But not Putinsky. Does everything the IMF needs.
You can’t just give up the dollar, I’m not arguing that.
To do this, a lot needs to be done.

[Zoer]

Quote from Aken

Nabiulina manager. But not Putinsky. Does everything the IMF needs.

Yeah, I recognize Khazin’s verses. By the same logic: Shoigu is the manager of the Pentagon, Lavrov is the manager of the State Department, etc. This is a centuries-old fairy tale about bad boyars and a good king.
All of them are vertical, and strictly obey the looking grandfather. Another thing is that the clan-corporate interests of the vertical ones fit perfectly into the outline of the world bourgeoisie and the IMF, respectively. And that’s why the Northern Military District, and not the war, that’s why they’ve been waiting for something since 2014, hoping to reach an agreement, but in the end it turned out that THEY were deceived. Funny. They want to climb the tree and eat the fish. And the people are disentangling it.

[Aken]

Do you have something to say against Khazin? Don't flatter yourself.
Khazin also spoke about clan-corporate interests.
Do you only listen to it on odd nights?
Shoigu cannot be a Pentagon manager. There's just no need. Useful cancer is his role. He still didn’t have enough money to pay for it.
Lavrov has been asking to retire for 10 years. And it’s not the State Department that won’t let him in.

[Zoer]

Quote from Aken

Do you have something to say against Khazin?

Opposite? No, of course not, I can only praise. GREAT propaganda. In no way inferior to Skabeeva or Solovyov. It just works in a different field.

Quote from Aken

Shoigu cannot be a Pentagon manager. There's just no need. Useful cancer is his role. He still didn’t have enough money to pay for it.

WHY then does his grandfather keep him at the helm?

Quote from Aken

Lavrov has been asking to retire for 10 years. And it’s not the State Department that won’t let him in.

Well, yes, another INDEPENDENT one.

[Aken]

Khazin’s usual uryakl doesn’t listen. I didn't show any intellect. He just won't understand anything. Therefore, his destiny is Skabeev.
Why does he keep Shoigu? Let me explain. Others are even worse.
Yes, and with Lavrov the same garbage. Churkin could only compare with him.

[Zoer]

Quote from Aken

Khazin’s usual uryakl doesn’t listen. I didn't show any intellect.

Well, yes, only an advanced uryakl spreads uKhi for noodles not to everyone, but only to Khazin. Well, Intellect, what is there!

Quote from Aken

Why does he keep Shoigu? Let me explain. Others are even worse.
Yes, and with Lavrov the same garbage. Churkin could only compare with him.

Yesss, the Russian land has become impoverished, oh dear, bad!!! Only Sun-Face, smart and perspicacious, remained orphaned for us!
Was the same Surovikin also worse? Or Prigogine? Or Strelkov? Just worse than plywood? Yes of course!!!
I will explain to you why such gifted reindeer herders are kept there. Just so that they don’t get out of the vertical. A dashing and silly look is needed there, everything is like 300 years ago. And Prigozhin perfectly showed how it would be there if someone smarter was there. Any specialist has his own opinion and ambitions, but such are not needed there.
Okay, I see perfectly well that you are from the sect of the holy and only VPu, and Khazin’s fairy tales are a hit with you. You and my colleague repeat the same mantras. I even thought that she was talking to me here.

[Aken]

You shouldn't have gotten so excited. Break into the open door. And they really confused me with the uryakl. By the way, they can’t stand me, but I reciprocate.
I also believe that Strelkov is the best candidate for the post of Minister of Defense, and Surovikin is the best candidate for the head of the General Staff.
It makes no sense to say what position would be suitable for Prigozhin.
The stupidest thing you can do is listen to only one lecturer. I listen not only to Khazin.
In short, we are on the same side. Replace anger with mercy.

[Zoer]

Quote from Aken

The stupidest thing you can do is listen to only one lecturer. I listen not only to Khazin.
In short, we are on the same side. Replace anger with mercy.

Yes, I don’t listen to these lecturers. because they are banal propagandists, both those and others. Some drown for the king, others for the glorious geyropa. And I don’t need lecturers, I need information from different sources. I can draw my own conclusions.

Quote from Aken

You shouldn't have gotten so excited. Break into the open door.

Maybe it seemed to me, but your position is that everyone interferes with the king, and he alone cares for the fatherland and the people. So I’m simply touched by such judgments. I am inclined to believe that he is simply an observer of the oligarchy who have robbed and are plundering the country. And the current SVO is nothing more than THEIR and HIS, first of all, miscalculations.

[Aken]

but your position is that everyone interferes with the king, and he alone cares for the fatherland and the people.

This is not a position, this is a meme.
I often repeat - the Tsar is good, the boyars are bad. If the king finds out the truth, we will all live differently.
The funny thing is that others agree.

[Zoer]

Quote from Aken

The funny thing is that others agree.

Yes, not just others, but ALL Zaputinists. And this is the result of the work of propagandists, from Solovyov to Khazin))) And it is through their mouths that they speak about the IMF proteges in the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, the GDP from this scheme somehow abruptly evaporates. According to them, he can’t do anything about it))) I didn’t catch your sarcasm, I took it as a position)))
Yes, from the latest memes:

The role of the first Russian President Boris Yeltsin in the formation of the country is difficult to overestimate, said the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov on the occasion of the anniversary of the death of Yeltsin, who died on April 23, 2007.

Well, as they say, no comments here)))

[MBRSS]

Quote: Zoer

Will Peskov also forward this question to the Moscow Region?

Ahaha! The result was a joke:
To the journalist’s question “What if we have a Supreme Commander-in-Chief?” D. Peskov replied that this question should be redirected to the Moscow Region.

[alystan]

The decrees for the appointment of such characters are signed only by the Supreme.

[Andrey Dibrov]

The ideologeme there is unambiguous and indisputable. Everything that the Ukrainians have been doing inside themselves since 91 is purely their own internal business. Which means it’s none of our business.
Well, “she doesn’t want it, you fool” - find someone else. Prose of life.

[SKVichyakow]

The answer is simple. So that this viper is no longer in sight. It is like a cancerous tumor that must be eliminated only by surgery. Regions within Russia. And nothing special for Medvedchuk, Khodakovsky, and...

[alystan]

Khodakovsky is right, we had to think about this when starting the Northern Military District

He’s right, he’s right, only everyone who has realized this for a long time has been at the front or is helping him as best they can. Perhaps he is appealing to the rest, at least the still undecided part of the population?

[Andrey Dibrov]

The rest of us have long since decided.
That’s why everywhere in the armies of the peoples of the world they take it immediately after the bursa - so that there is nothing else to move and “determine” ...

[alystan]

Those who have decided have probably faded away a long time ago (most of them), but there are still a lot of myhataskrayniks left. Those who blame others loudest for everything.

[Andrey Dibrov]

Who else? which trillions have been pooping for eleven years?
And now at 200 rubles per slave, they “compensate” for all this...

[credo]

Khodakovsky does not say what the SVO was started for. I think it’s intentional, so as not to bring trouble to one’s own head. And we won't.
But as for subsequent life on the former territory of the Ukrainian SSR, then we must first decide how we see it and what we will develop on it. In my opinion, for the next 30-50 years, agriculture should become the basis of the economy of the right bank, and then how it goes.

[Master 2030]

No, take the trouble to explain “for what.” Because no one understands yet. Only without “deficitation and demilitarization” please. The defense of the numerous peoples of Donbass has also been defended by those who needed it since the 14th year. Or are you afraid of the “bloody KGB”? So we have “no sheikh, we have democracy.”
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[Zoer]

Quote: Master2030

The defense of the numerous peoples of Donbass has also been defended by those who needed it since the 14th year.

If they had really defended since 2014, and not tried to formalize agreements, then now either this SVO did not exist at all, or a couple of areas in the west of the 404th would have remained under khinzirs.

[Master 2030]

And I about it.
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[credo]

No, take the trouble to explain “why”...

Many tried to get our Guarantor to answer such a trivial question about why gasoline is becoming more expensive in Russia even when oil on the world market is falling and when oil on the world market is rising and even when there is stagnation on the world oil market, but everyone was beaten by his radiant smile.
I can answer your question in the same way.

[phrases]

Everything is clear to those whom Moses led through the desert. Now they are leading the simpletons on both sides by the nose. Victory will be declared on each side, resources will be divided and dams will be opened with new loans. Loot will once again defeat evil, and their united propaganda will try to declare this a “new page in history.” In fact, everything will remain the same as it was a couple of thousand years ago.

[Master 2030]

And what is clear to them or to you?
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[Village]

After 2014, it was only a matter of time before it started. Both Poroshenko and Zelensky were shouting from the stands about the military seizure of Crimea, DPR and LPR.

[credo]

After 2014, it was only a matter of time before it started...

I will express a seditious thought, but if the Anglo-Saxons had not foolishly carried out a coup in Ukraine in 2014, it is possible that everything would have gone differently.

[Village]

Apparently, they themselves are no longer happy. But they are not going to give it back yet. We can only monitor the further development of events, and accordingly, help our army in whatever way we can.

[credo]

Apparently, they themselves are no longer happy...

As they say, an old woman also has a bungle.

[know]

The SVO was 8 years late. It was then that it was possible to solve the pathetically stated tasks of denazification and demilitarization in February 2022. Moreover, on the territory of Russia there was the legitimate president of Ukraine, who, in his cowardice, would have signed any document - there was not even the slightest basis for sanctions: Russia was acting at the invitation of the legitimate authorities against the rebels. And Putin decided to play giveaway, give the Nazis time to deal with people sympathizing with Russia, fool the population, and develop powerful fortified areas. And now we are all dealing with the consequences of Putin’s “multi-move”.

[Village]

The SVO was 8 years late. It was then that it was possible to decide

Remember what products were sold in stores back then. Meat from Brazil, chicken from Geyropa, etc., etc. If sanctions had been introduced then, what would we have eaten? In the 14th, sanctions against us began, only then did we begin to understand that buying everything we needed abroad, for petrodollars, deprives Russia of independence. They cleared it up a little, and now we don’t care about their sanctions.

[Alaburga]

That is, following your logic, the Kremlin exchanged food for the lives of Russian soldiers and civilians? Because in 2014, such a large number of victims could have been avoided. And now, so many people have been killed, and the ghost of victory has not even dawned yet.

[Village]

Did the Kremlin exchange food for the lives of Russian soldiers and civilians?

But in 14 the West wouldn’t have pumped arms into Ukraine, right? Now at least our economy has not collapsed, despite all the efforts of the West.

[Alaburga]

And who should be pumped up, if Russia, in 2014, would have completely prevented the degeneration of that Ukrainian army into the Ukrovermacht of the current model.

[Village]

Oh no, my toy shoulder straps are coming off. In all my time at VO, I haven’t given a single minus to anyone

[Alaburga]

It is clear that it is difficult to accept the reality that Russia, together with its Western partners, forged the Ukrainian Reich. And all because “the oligarchs who don’t exist in Russia,” together with godfather Medvedchuk and the scumbag Surkov, poured into the intelligence officer’s ears that Kolomoisky and Akhmetov would bring Ukraine on a platter, but they don’t need to break the deal. But Russia could at least introduce total economic sanctions in order to create difficulties in pumping up the Ukrainian Reich.

[Village]

Frankly speaking, I also don’t understand what we did for 8 years. If only after 2 years they learned how to launch rockets through a window, but as they say: better late than never.

[Alaburga]

Russia will learn everything. There is no other way.

[Deon59]

And what will collapse is that we used to buy in Europe, now we buy in China. Gas went to Europe at a cheap price, now to China and to us at a higher price. Prices have gone soaring that we can’t even discuss them.

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

But in 14 the West wouldn’t have pumped arms into Ukraine, right? Now at least our economy has not collapsed, despite all the efforts of the West.

In 2014 and 2015, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were bursting at the seams and boiling in cauldrons from the LDPR militia, reinforced by several brigades of vacationers. So all those Western weapons would not have arrived in such quantity and quality. It just wouldn't have time.

[cpls22]

Quote: Alaburga

Because in 2014, such a large number of victims could have been avoided.

M.b. They could have avoided it, but they would not have endured the consequences of such a victory. They might not have survived the sanctions siege. The Tseuropeans would have received a strong trump card - that they were accepted into the doomed besieged family. It is not enough to win; you also need to retain what you have won. Khodakovsky is worried about the same thing.

[Alaburga]

Then (with minimal casualties, not a broken-down infrastructure, not yet fully inflated with Nazism, pots, with a legal entry into Ukraine at the request of the legitimate president, etc., etc.) it means they could not survive the sanctions siege. And now, having lost people and infrastructure, when the whole world is with the ukroreich, and the so-called uninvolved, sit under a broom and do not shine, or work for ours, and ours, and yours, when Russia is being torn apart by migrants and cities are going under water (and considerable funds will be needed for restoration, but they are now needed in another place), when the Northern Military District, Russia are all trumps and without consequences. This is what is going on in your heads, that logic runs away from you like lepers.

[cpls22]

Quote: Alaburga

Then (with minimal casualties, not a broken-down infrastructure, not yet fully inflated with Nazism, pots, with a legal entry into Ukraine at the request of the legitimate president, etc., etc.) it means they could not survive the sanctions siege. And now, having lost people and infrastructure, when the whole world is with the ukroreich, and the so-called uninvolved, sit under a broom and do not shine, or work for ours, and ours, and yours, when Russia is being torn apart by migrants and cities are going under water (and considerable funds will be needed for restoration, but they are now needed in another place), when the Northern Military District, Russia are all trumps and without consequences.

There were migrants then, and the onslaught of sanctions would have been the same, but we didn’t have food security then, and we didn’t have many production capabilities either. We would not be able to maintain what we had established. The pans would turn everything back. It is not possible to hold power with bayonets in a country where a generation has already grown up, brought up on independence and the dream of a “European family.”
As for heads and logic - hold back your emotions if you want dialogue and not quarrels. I forgive, but not everyone is like that.

[Alaburga]

Sorry, it came out.
There were migrants, but now, when all forces are directed towards other goals, they were given the command to rock from within, and this is a very bad trend that is difficult to stop quickly. Regarding food, everything was fine in Russia with food, no worse than now. Who were going to be kept, television under strict control, the Nazis expendable, a base set up like in the Crimea, and all the maydauns, with their pots, would throw at the instigators themselves, Ukrogebbels propaganda had not yet completely irradiated the locals, open the border to everyone who wanted to drink kava at the Vienna Opera and asshole on the track. You understand, when you have to choose between your own (country and citizens), and everyone else, you must always choose your own, because they are a priority, and don’t give a damn about everyone else, this is our land. The fact that they reached the SVO shows that they chose the wrong people, and now they are reaping sad consequences.

[cpls22]

Quote: Alaburga

. The fact that they reached the SVO shows that they chose the wrong people, and now they are reaping sad consequences.

So in 2014, there were even more people in power who chose strangers.

[Zoer]

Quote from cpls22

There were migrants then, and the onslaught of sanctions would have been the same, but we didn’t have food security then, and we didn’t have many production capabilities either.

There weren’t so many migrants back then, and they behaved completely differently. But this is again the “glorious work” of my grandfather. Food security has not changed at all for 10 years! That then the seed stock and eggs for chickens were imported, and that they are the same now. I don’t want to talk about medications at all.
The only thing they were not prepared for was the blocking of bank cards and blocking in SWIFT, as well as all 600 billion fin of the cushion lay there, and not 300, which they still managed to squander. Well, the Chinese auto industry had not yet taken off like that. That's all. On the other side of the scale are the lives of our soldiers and civilians in the border areas. The lives of the civilian population of the 404th, many of whom still supported us then, would indeed have been greeted with flowers, and not with grenades.

[cpls22]

Quote: Zoer

On the other side of the scale are the lives of our soldiers and civilians in the border areas.

In 2014, no one weighed like that. Probably, in principle, they did not intend to fight, they hoped for negotiability 404.

[Zoer]

Quote from cpls22

In 2014, no one weighed like that. Probably, in principle, they did not intend to fight, they hoped for negotiability 404.

No, well, if after May 2, 2014 they still hoped for some kind of negotiability... And even with the systematic shelling of schools and hospitals in the LDPR, they also hoped for something... Then I can’t even imagine the level of adequacy of these hopes .

[cpls22]

Quote: Zoer

No, well, if after May 2, 2014, they were still hoping for some kind of negotiability... And also during the systematic shelling of schools and hospitals in the LDPR.

Yes, it is clear that they hoped to come to an agreement with the owners, and not with the servants. At that time we had much more congenial relations with these masters than now. Although now it seems that there are close to a critical mass of them.

[Zoer]

Quote from cpls22

Yes, it is clear that they hoped to come to an agreement with the owners, and not with the servants.

So the owners allowed the boys to do all this. And they blame us for everything, both for the downing of the Boeing and self-fire. And the Minsk agreements were not implemented at all!
Yes, they knew everything there, they guessed exactly. But “profitable” trade in resources was more important.
Let me remind you of the chronology of events. Frau Merkel fully patronized SP-2. WE pushed for it with all our might, and while there was a ghostly hope of completing and launching this project, no one talked about the war. But in December 21st Merkel leaves, on February 22, 2022 the Germans stop the certification of SP-2, 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX - SVO...

[cpls22]

Quote: Zoer

"profitable" trade in resources was more important.
Let me remind you of the chronology of events. Frau Merkel fully patronized SP-2. WE pushed for it with all our might, and while there was a ghostly hope of completing and launching this project, no one talked about the war. But in December 21st Merkel leaves, on February 22, 2022 the Germans stop the certification of SP-2, 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX - SVO...

It sounds convincing, but one cannot discount the possibility that the fate of SP-2 was a kind of lever of pressure on the elites in the Russian Federation, and stopping certification was a response to preparations for the SVO. Did not help. Then they simply carried out the previously voiced threat as part of this blackmail and undermined the flows.

[Deon59]

Nord Stream 2 would not have been built, instead of the Crimean Bridge there would have been a normal road much cheaper, 300 billion would not have been frozen. And most importantly, how many human lives would be saved

[cpls22]

Quote from Deon59

instead of the Crimean Bridge there would have been a normal road many times cheaper, 300 billion would not have been frozen.

But I'm not sure about this.
In a nutshell, about everything said above - there was a chance to choke and collapse from such a victorious operation in 2014. They would have torn us apart, and now we would all be sitting under local colonial administrations, with the capital in Yeltsinburg. And it’s a pity for life, who can argue.

[Deon59]

The tales about the white bull in 2014 and in 2024 are the same. If only, no.

[dmi.pris1]

In 14, chicken legs from the USA? Oh well. And now, we don’t buy them abroad? Exorbitantly expensive?

[Village]

When was the last time you were in the store? What foreign products are there?

[dmi.pris1]

What are you talking about? Didn’t understand the comment? In 2014 there were already heaps of products. But it’s not a matter of unpreparedness or sanctions. We were not ready in February 2022 either. It was the political impotence of the Kremlin. They are pursuing all sorts of pretense from the West. Negotiations, persuasion, empty promises.

[Village]

I remember the year 14, and I remember the beginning of sanctions and the refusal of European products. Our chicken was both more expensive and in smaller quantity. I’m generally silent about pork and beef. I live in the central black earth region, and I know when and what began to develop.

[dmi.pris1]

Oh well? But I’m a rural resident. And I know all the more when and what and where.. And why do you transfer everything to food? Not just them. Have you forgotten how it was a year and a half ago for those mobilized by the whole world? And even now we’re collecting for the front, starting in kindergartens..You are moving away from the deeper cause of the current situation

[Village]

.And why are you transferring everything to food? Not just them

I wonder how hungry you got ready to fight? What about working in a factory? Build something? Without proper nutrition you won’t fight much.
As a villager, you can probably live on your own farm, and the meat grows in your barn. But city dwellers have to buy everything in stores, so they need to have their own production and not depend on anyone.

[dmi.pris1]

Once again, for those who are confused. The production of agricultural products in 2014, Russia already had its own products.

[Village]

Once again, for those who have an inflated level of vitality - it was at such a meager level that after a week of harsh sanctions from the West, we would already be eating hay.

[dmi.pris1]

A severe case of noodle poisoning from the media

[Village]

Why are you putting women's private parts in bast shoes? I have been buying groceries myself since 1996. I also remember millions in my pocket for cigarettes. And even more so what was sold in stores and when. What kind of media, what kind of noodles?

[DenVB]

Quote: Village

it was at such a meager level that after a week of harsh sanctions from the West, we would already be eating hay.

The Chaldeans launched a landing of fresh accounts into the attack?

[Village]

Well, if for you, the account does not agree with the opinion of the toy generals, then the flag is in your hands.

[DenVB]

Quote: Village

Well, if for you, the account does not agree with the opinion of the toy generals, then the flag is in your hands.

It’s just that you are writing exceptional stupidity even by the standards of our proven Chaldeans. They are probably still embarrassed to disgrace their well-deserved accounts in such a way. I don't know how else this can be explained.

[Village]

you write nonsense

Your position is interesting. If someone's opinion does not coincide with yours, is that stupidity? What is stupidity? The fact that in 14 we were not ready to oppose the “civilized” world? Is it because we didn't have the necessary resources? Where is the stupidity?
Yes, it was possible to get involved even then, but we must not forget that it is not limited to military operations on the territory of Ukraine. There is a redistribution of spheres of influence around the world. At the moment, the masks have been dropped, and it has become clear who is dancing to whose tune. Who will lend a shoulder, and who will trip you up.

[DenVB]

Quote: Village

What is stupidity? The fact that in 14 we were not ready to oppose the “civilized” world? Is it because we didn't have the necessary resources?

Yes. Starting from 14, we intensively bought resources from the entire “civilized” world. And by the beginning of the Northern War, they had accumulated a good supply of resources. According to some sources, 300 billion resources, according to other sources - over 400 billion. And the “civilized” world is very grateful to us for this. He is now fighting with us using these resources.

And so that he does not experience a shortage of resources, we have also adjusted them for him - 320 billion in 2022-2023 alone.

This is a multi-step game worthy of the author of cunning plans!

[Deon59]

Yes, we already know how the Kremlin towers dance to the tune of the regional committee from Washington. Just yesterday Matvienko sang about international law, about Nabiullina, who is also an IMF employee, but not about Russia

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

Once again, for those who have an inflated level of vitality - it was at such a meager level that after a week of harsh sanctions from the West, we would already be eating hay.

Where do you get this from? Not a single new livestock complex has opened in our Leningrad Region over the past 10 years. On the contrary, feed mills stand without orders. We didn’t have complete food dependence in 2014, and we don’t have it now. And Brazil and other developing countries don’t care about sanctions and supply their agricultural products regularly.

[Village]

It hasn’t opened in our Leningrad region in the last 10 years.

But in Belgorodskaya we have built a lot of things (pig farms, poultry farms, agricultural holdings) and continue to build. And precisely after the 14th year. They were already planning to send meat to China, they opened a whole distribution complex. What does Brazil supply you there? Now all over the country meat is grown in pigsties, why do we need Brazilian meat?

[Village]

.Production of agricultural products in 2014

Clearly.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Village

.Production of agricultural products in 2014

Clearly.

in 2014, all of Europe relied on our oil and gas.
So it is not yet known who depended on whom more.
Another thing is that when they turned off everything to us, we regularly supplied them with gas in 2022 and 2023, but this is a topic for a completely different conversation.
It turns out that it’s not a matter of products or gas, but of where someone’s personal accounts and real estate are located.
p.s. And if we assume that your version is correct and we have been preparing since 2014...
Why:
1. “they” were able to freeze 300 billion for us, and we didn’t withdraw them in advance?...
2. Why did we start preparing so late?..
3. And why is our leadership as trusting as children?

[DenVB]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And if we assume that your version is correct and we have been preparing since 2014...

The way we have prepared since 2014 is particularly evident in the automotive industry. Even better - in aircraft manufacturing (on the verge of genius). You can’t even remember how we prepared ourselves in microelectronics without a Homeric laugh.

[Village]

especially noticeable in the automotive industry

About the automotive industry, this is a question for lovers of foreign cars. The same goes for aviation. I drive in the domestic auto industry, and I won’t give a penny to the bourgeoisie. But at whose expense, including all sorts of vampires (hello to Skoda owners) and storm shadows are flying to us, guess.

[DenVB]

Quote: Village

But at whose expense, including all sorts of vampires (hello to Skoda owners) and storm shadows are flying to us, guess.

I wrote above at whose expense they fly. For ours, of course. About $2 billion has been spent to support Ukraine over 200 years. Over the same 2 years, they received more than 300 billion dollars from us. They also remain profitable!

Putin's cunning plan!

[Village]

300 billion from us, how’s that? In the form of what? I do not know.

[DenVB]

Quote: Village

300 billion from us, how’s that? In the form of what?

In the form of dollars.

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

Clearly.

Please provide data for 2022, then it will be clearer. But I’ll tell you this, NOTHING has changed)))

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

When was the last time you were in the store? What foreign products are there?

Everything is the same as it was 10 years ago, except that we ourselves did not ban it from being imported into the Russian Federation and were not allowed under bulldozers at the border.

[Village]

Everything is the same as it was 10 years ago,

Well, if you only eat chips and hamburgers, then yes, nothing has changed for you in 10 years

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

Well, if you only eat chips and hamburgers, then yes, nothing has changed for you in 10 years wassat

No, it looks like you can’t live without Coca-Cola!

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

Well, if you only eat chips and hamburgers, then yes, nothing has changed for you in 10 years wassat

I personally, that 10 years ago I took Northern Petelinka, or Skvoritsa, or Sinyavno chicken - this is all LO, which is the same now. Pork and beef meat - Velikoluksky MK, Miratorg. They have their own farms and raw materials. With the exception of the seed fund and fertilized eggs for incubators, as I said, everything is STILL Western. Vegetables and fruits are ours, either Egypt, or Brazil, Argentina, etc. Our own wheat. This all happened 10 years ago, and it remains the same now.
So stop spreading fake news.

[DenVB]

Quote: Zoer

This all happened 10 years ago, and it remains the same now.

Especially funny about fish. Which has risen in price three times since “pre-Crimean times”. And the funny thing is that our fish, caught in our waters in the Far East, goes straight to the countries of Southeast Asia, bypassing our customs, budget and statistics. And in return, which is many times more expensive, we buy imported (often our own). Successes of import substitution. It was not in vain that the Ukrainians were given time to prepare for war. HPP.

[Zoer]

Quote: DenVB

Especially funny about fish. Which has risen in price three times since “pre-Crimean times”.

Since pre-Crimean times, EVERYTHING has risen in price three or more times, simply because bYax has risen in price three or more times. And fish too. As you rightly noted, we also buy it for dollars. This is the fight with the damned West.

[DenVB]

Quote: Zoer

Since pre-Crimean times, EVERYTHING has risen in price three or more times

I would not say. Probably twice.

[Zoer]

I would not say. Probably twice.

Two times is just what is produced here, from sand and dust. Bread, meat, poultry, salt, vegetables. Everything else, all imports, more than tripled.

[DenVB]

Quote: Zoer

Everything else, all imports, more than tripled.

Well, it’s not even a fact that it’s three times. Oranges, for example, cost 50-60 rubles, now they cost around 120. Although you can’t remember everything.

[Village]

10 years ago I took Northern Petelinka, or Skvoritsa, or Sinyavno chicken - this is all LO

You don't want to accept the obvious. No one is saying that this did not happen at all. In St. Petersburg I remember there were Miratorg branded stores. Then they go somewhere. I mean that the share of imported food products was higher than domestic ones. For some reason known only to you, you don’t want to admit it. And yes, I haven’t consumed Coca-Cola since the 90s.

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

You don't want to accept the obvious. No one is saying that this did not happen at all. In St. Petersburg I remember there were Miratorg branded stores. Then they go somewhere. I mean that the share of imported food products was higher than domestic ones. For some reason known only to you, you don’t want to admit it.

Yes, this is NOT GOING ANYWHERE now! You don't want to understand this. There are a lot of imports from Latin America, Africa and Asia. And there is enough from the EU. The same Bonduelle has not gone anywhere and is not going to. So finish it already...

[Village]

Maybe you are a representative of Ilita? Do you shop in any special stores? We, the common people, go by magnets and fives, and there are often traffic lights. Where the hell do you see imported meat and chicken?

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

Maybe you are a representative of Italy? Do you shop in any special stores? We, the common people, go by magnets and fives, and there are often traffic lights. Where the hell do you see imported meat and chicken?

Yes, the same 5ka, Lenta, Magnit.
I haven’t seen imported meat and chicken for 10 years now, I’m already TIRED of repeating this!!! I already spoke about the seed fund and eggs for incubators, they are ONLY imported, from the EU, as before.
Practically NOTHING has changed in food imports in 10 years.
You are already starting to turn my words inside out.
The conversation is over!

[know]

In the 14th, sanctions against us began

Or they might not have started at all: I repeat - the legitimate (!) president was on the territory of Russia and was ready to sign any document in exchange for the fact that he would not be handed over to Bandera for reprisals. And he will not end his life like Gaddafi or Hussein. And in the event of an official appeal from Yanukovych, there are no grounds for sanctions at all. This is the first thing. And secondly, the West was not ready for decisive actions by Russia - just as it was not ready in August 2008. If they had gone to negotiations in 2008, there would still be a war going on in South Ossetia.

[Village]

Or they might not have started at all

Oh come on. The West has long placed its bets on Ukraine. They grabbed it with their teeth, so much so that in a fit of passion they forget about the instinct of self-preservation.

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

What's the use of cutting sawdust? At that moment, Vova chose the best development option from all those available to him. In 50 years they will only tell us the whole layout that he had. Perhaps time has shown that this was not the best option. But at the moment of choice, no one could know this, since we are not given to see the future. So all the “ifs” are meaningless.

[Zoer]

Quote: Pavel_Sveshnikov

At that moment, Vova chose the best development option from all those available to him.

He could choose a lot of things. I don’t understand why he didn’t prepare for the worst case scenario? Or did he think that as he chose, so it would be? But there’s a nuance here: this only happened in our country, but in the West they didn’t give a damn about my grandfather’s choice.

[Sergej1972]

In 2014, the bulk of poultry meat was produced in Russia. By the way, where did we get the stupid habit of separating poultry in general, and chicken in particular, from meat? As if the meat is only pork, beef, lamb.

[Village]

Probably because the goose is not a friend to the pig

In 2014, the bulk of poultry meat was produced in Russia

I believe my eyes, my memory is fine, I remember the assortment of poultry and other animals. Yes, we had our chicken in stores, as well as pork and cow meat, but imports were presented in a wider range and at prices significantly lower than domestic products.
Of course, I understand why some are trying to convince me of a mistaken opinion. It just doesn’t fit in with their words that everything should have been done back in 2014. Yes, it was necessary, like Lukashenko when they decided to organize something like a Maidan.

[dmi.pris1]

Some kind of scary goal... The final destination is hidden... "Destination" inspired...

[guest]

Quote: vet

The SVO was 8 years late. It was then that it was possible to solve the pathetically stated tasks of denazification and demilitarization in February 2022. Moreover, on the territory of Russia there was the legitimate president of Ukraine, who, in his cowardice, would have signed any document - there was not even the slightest basis for sanctions: Russia was acting at the invitation of the legitimate authorities against the rebels.

I agree with this, although I would go even further; we should have acted in 1991 and prevented the collapse of the country, but unfortunately we don’t have a time machine and we have to sort out the mistakes of the past now.

[Zoer]

Quote: guest

I agree with this, although I would go even further; we should have acted in 1991 and prevented the collapse of the country, but unfortunately we don’t have a time machine and we have to sort out the mistakes of the past now.

Yes, no one is even going to sort out those mistakes. The task is to preserve those “achievements” regarding the collapse of the USSR.

[guest]

Quote: Zoer

Yes, no one is even going to sort out those mistakes.

He is not going to, but he will have to.

[Zoer]

Quote: guest

He is not going to, but he will have to.

Maybe... someday... But not with these...

[Alexei]

Quote: vet

And Putin decided to play giveaway, give the Nazis time to deal with people sympathizing with Russia, fool the population, and develop powerful fortified areas.

Putin is a liberal, and a liberal is someone who tries to encourage every business, in other words, to “sit on two chairs”: to trade with Europe and with the East, and to sell energy resources to both. If we take the rightists, Hitler and Mussolini, for example, they were oriented towards large domestic capital (which supplied them). These guys, if they were Putin, would immediately choose one side and rush to push all the Soviet republics back. It’s just that the situation has developed that Russian business is being persecuted throughout the entire post-Soviet space, and it seems that “our Russian” moneybags will not be able to do without radical measures.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: vet

The SVO was 8 years late.

Rather, it was not the SVO that was 8 years late, but the recognition of the results of popular referendums on the accession of the DPR-LPR to Russia. in 2014, it was possible to annex with Crimea and everyone else who wanted to. Now, before joining, you have to free them. But this is just my personal opinion.
PS I realize that my level of awareness on this topic is not commensurate with the level of decision makers. Someday we will find out (I hope) why, why and what the goals were.

[Andrey Dibrov]

Moreover, the legitimate president of Ukraine was on Russian territory....
------------------------------------
Which was supposed to be located on the territory of Ukraine - somewhere in Yalta, there, or in Lugansk.
But, as it turned out, <unexpected, la > it didn’t bother anyone at all. Neither Kyiv, nor Crimean, nor Donetsk...
Apart from the Don
Therefore, who is going to sign something there - when all the seats are already occupied by local axenic and zakharchenkos

[vasyliy1]

Now no one will answer this question, first we need to defeat the outskirts with its sponsors, and then we will decide what to do with it.

[scientist]

Quote: vasyliy1

we need to defeat the outskirts with its sponsors

It is her sponsors who will have to win. War is primarily about money. And taking into account the fact that Putin does not want to isolate the combat area, this will be a war of economies.
Well, now compare the Russian economy and the sponsors of the war on our outskirts.

[KukuRuzvelt]

The world is ruled by those with technology, and those with the resource base act as colonies. Now it looks more and more like those who have the resource base have decided to throw off the regime. This is what we are fighting for. That is why the West has clung so tightly to Ukraine. That’s why Macron and other gynecologists like him scream like that

[Zoer]

Quote: KukuRuzvelt

Now it looks more and more like those who have the resource base have decided to throw off the regime. This is what we are fighting for. That is why the West has clung so tightly to Ukraine. That’s why Macron and other gynecologists like him scream like that

Oh, we are fighting so hard that I see they have stopped supplying them with resources and withdrawing capital to them. In my opinion, local oligarchs simply did not want to share Russia’s wealth with the West to a greater extent than they did before. But the West needs it like air.

[Andrey Dibrov]

The West does not need our resources (they also need their own behind their backs). And so that they are not used by the rest of the world, by the same Chinas and Indias.
Canned.

[Zoer]

Quote: Andrey Dibrov

The West does not need our resources (they also need their own behind their backs). And so that they are not used by the rest of the world, by the same Chinas and Indias.
Canned.

How is this? Those. They need to completely stop the production and consumption of all of China, India, and other developing countries, the so-called global south. How do you imagine that? Total genocide of 5 billion people on earth? Do you understand what they said?
The fact of the matter is that global consumption of resources and energy is growing, but resources are finite and limited, which is why there is a competitive struggle for them, along with attempts to dampen the development of competing countries.

[Andrey Dibrov]

And who is to blame for those mods that they have built a 3 billion anthill in the equivalent of a planet there on their 50% plot.
Now it’s their demographic problem.

[Zoer]

Quote: Andrey Dibrov

Now it’s their demographic problem.

They don't have any problems. Unlike Westerners, who are trying to solve their problems through wars with the wrong hands.

[Andrey Dibrov]

What?
Who will feed the 50 billion mouths on the planet?
So that the Indians, at least until today’s China, their northern neighbor, have about 11 years of free polymers there.
Although everything can be solved easier.

[Zoer]

Quote: Andrey Dibrov

What?
Who will feed the 50 billion mouths on the planet?

Do you have delirium tremens? What 50 billion? The population is now only 8 billion, and demographers say that this is the limit of human capabilities, and the population will gradually decline on its own. However, this is not the limit for the planet’s capabilities.
The problem for Westerners is not that the population of the global south is growing, but that the standard of living there is continuously growing, especially in China. And with this, the consumption of the planet’s resources, especially energy, is growing.

[Andrey Dibrov]

"50 billion Indians" on the balloon in equivalent.
Without demographic control, the planet is ruined.

[Zoer]

Quote: Andrey Dibrov

"50 billion Indians" on the balloon in equivalent.
Without demographic control, the planet is ruined.

EXCELLENT extrapolation!))) I remembered the joke about the logic of the hare.

A Hare walks through the forest and sees a Bear reading a book. He comes up and asks:
- Bear, what are you reading?
- The book is called “Logic”.
- What is logic?
- Well look. Do you have any matches?
- Well yes.
- So you smoke.
- Yeah.
- And do you drink?
- Naturally
- Following from this, do you like women?
- Of course
- So you're not gay!
- Ooo! Cool
He went, bought a book, sat on a tree stump, read. The Wolf is coming.
- Hello, Hare, what are you reading?
- Yes, a book called “Logic”
- What is logic?
- Well look. Do you have matches?
- Nope
- So you're gay!!

[Andrey Dibrov]

Extrapalatation is fundamental.
And fundamental laws don’t care about the logic of slow-witted people.
Modi, by the way, is well aware of the essence of the problem. And apparently my conscience is gnawing. Already with those rupees-hints from the Kremlin he hints - for all the futility of all those Russian-Indian vassas in the coming decades, precisely for the reasons stated above.
Until the Chinese and the Indians and other African-Asians halve their size many times over, they have zero chance, in principle, except for eating up resources in a circle going nowhere in the 21st technological century.
To preserve and further expand civilization, billions are simply not needed.

[Zoer]

Quote: Andrey Dibrov

Extrapalatation

There are TWO mistakes in one word! First, look at how this word is spelled correctly, then study the meaning of this term, and only then talk about the fundamental weights.
Well, definitely a hare with logic and matches.

[Andrey Dibrov]

What other “resource” base))
Did you drink the globe?
The West is 1/4 of the planet with all the resources and only 1/8 of all the mouths.
Hello Indians.

[Zoer]

Quote: Andrey Dibrov

What other “resource” base))
Did you drink the globe?
The West is 1/4 of the planet with all the resources and only 1/8 of all the mouths.
Hello Indians.

In addition to the globe, you also need to look at the industrial and economic map, if you haven’t already drunk it. And from it it will be clear that of all the NATO countries, the so-called golden billion, only the United States has more or less resources, but even then they do not have enough for themselves. I’m generally silent about the EU, Japan, Korea and Australia. Only the Saudis in this field can spoil the West so much that it won’t seem enough.

[Andrey Dibrov]

Did you skip geography at school too?
In Australia, Canada, the Middle East, at least you can eat everything you need.
Not to mention the geyrops, who send even banal agricultural goods from Khakhland to Yukh, as unnecessary.
The West does not need our resources. They need these resources to simply not be available to others. Preservation of the development of the remaining 3/4 of the ball, just that.
There, every year they still throw food into the landfill for food.

[Zoer]

Quote: Andrey Dibrov

Did you skip geography at school too?

"Buy a card, bast shoe!" (WITH)
I repeat... The United States does not have enough oil reserves. Considering that most of it is shale oil, which is difficult to extract, it turns out funny.
And if they have so many resources, then why did Biden bow to the Saudis with his outstretched hand so that they could increase their production? And Venezuela begged for sales?
They lack resources. And with the continued growth in consumption of these resources, the price for them will eventually go far from the zone of comfortable production. They desperately need CHEAP energy resources, otherwise China will simply sweep them away.

[Galleon]

In his opinion, many people present Russia’s victory in the special operation in a very distorted way. Some believe that we will win when our military stops dying. Others imagine that Russia must break Ukraine. Still others are confident that by conducting a special operation, our country is trying to prove its importance to the world. Actually, the officer believes, none of the options listed above are worth starting military operations.

Those. many, according to Khodakovsky, represent victory in a distorted way. And so that Russian citizens do not die from shelling and sabotage is not the goal.
At the same time, he admits that in the third year of the war he himself did not understand its purpose. Happens.
But how honest is this admission of misunderstanding of the goal? Was it simply made as a polemical device?
Thank you for reprinting the opinions of lieutenant colonels here.
Even cloudy ones.

[kepmor]

It seems to me that in the third year of the Northern Military District, none of the Kremlin officials themselves really understand that there is a “victory” in this massacre... and if the goal is not clear, then why even rant about the unrealizable...
In my understanding, the true reason for all this was and remains his exorbitant pride, coupled with permissiveness...

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

“He compared the current situation with the biblical parable of King Moses, who led the Jews through the desert for 40 years" -

— Was Moses a king? The Jews had no idea...

[guest]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

Was Moses a king? The Jews had no idea...

He was not a king, but he was a prince of Egypt.

[Ross xnumx]

Khodakovsky: it is important to understand why we started the SVO and how we will continue to live with a defeated Ukraine

You, Mr. Khodakovsky, have not shown a clear position and your own vision of the issue.

And after the victory in the Northern Military District, Ukrainian lands and people will not disappear anywhere - we will have to live with them. For the majority of the Ukrainian population, social issues are much more important than what country they live in and under whose rule the place where they live will be. According to the officer, there will be irreconcilable people, and they will have to be evicted or isolated.

We understand well how and what should happen. And by what methods will this be achieved?
Those who are irreconcilable will not have to be evicted, but DESTROYED!!! Otherwise, life will become a nightmare for law-abiding citizens...

[spirit]

what will be our victory?

What the Presidential Administration says will be the victory. What’s incomprehensible here? And all those who disagree will go to the bunks. So he’s wasting his time on these philosophical arguments in vain

[know]

You're right, I'm afraid the world will be "raunchy." Such SVOs must either be won in 2-3 months, or not started. There is nothing more dangerous for any state than getting bogged down in a war that was planned as a “small victorious one.” Whoever has stepped on this “rake”, but no one wants to learn from other people’s mistakes. .

[guest]

Quote: vet

You're right, I'm afraid the world will be "raunchy." Such SVOs must either be won in 2-3 months, or don't start.

It was no longer possible not to start; if we had not started, June 22, 1945 would have happened again.

[know]

It was no longer possible not to start; if we hadn’t started, it would have happened again

It’s unlikely - they were really afraid of Russia. And now they are not afraid. And the threat of NATO aggression has grown significantly.

[guest]

Former NATO strategist Stephanie Babst, who is a hereditary undead Nazi, just burst out with a flock that Russia must be destroyed and she spoke about this back in 2008. As we see, those who are not afraid of us were not afraid before.

[Aleksandr_85]

Would the victory be repeated?

[guest]

Quote: Aleksandr_85

22 June 1945 of the year.

Stupid typo, I'm talking about June 22, 1941. Although in the West, since the time of Napoleon, June 22 is the day of the attack on Russia.

[tralflot1832]

Khodakovsky is afraid to voice the goal of the Northern Military District - European security but not at the expense of other states, and this may end in World War III or maybe we can manage without it. Which I have already begun to doubt (about World War III).

[rotmistr60]

There will also be irreconcilable ones, they will have to be evicted or isolated.

Of course, this cannot be avoided, and severe measures are needed to deal with such things without any regard for anyone. Regarding the education of the younger and newly born generation, Khodakovsky did not discover anything new. The task is certainly difficult and will take more than a dozen years.

[Alaburga]

He is either naive or a latent enemy of Russia.

[cpls22]

Quote: Alaburga

He is either naive or a latent enemy of Russia.

Because it raises unpleasant questions?

[Alaburga]

He’s not raising unpleasant questions, he’s trying to save his Nazi daughter-mayor /Ukrainian lands and people will not disappear anywhere - we’ll have to live with them./. These are Russian lands, the Ukrainians never had anything of their own, everything was undeservedly donated.

[cpls22]

Quote: Alaburga

He’s not raising unpleasant questions, he’s dying to save his Nazi puppy mayor

There is no need to attribute your assumptions to a person. He simply knows the situation on earth, the moods and beliefs of the real people living there. They are unlikely to agree with you that they “have never had anything of their own, everything was an undeserved gift.”

[Alaburga]

So he has already shown how he knows the situation, the North Military District is going on, similar to a civil war, among other things. Russia, with the consent of those living there, should be in half, after all that these living people have done on this land and what they have come to in the end.

[cpls22]

Quote: Alaburga

. Russia, with the consent of those living there, should be in half, after all that these living people have done on this land and what they have come to in the end.

They lived there and will live there. That’s why “halving” won’t work. Or should they be resettled in Kazakhstan again? Tokayev will be against it, I think. To the Far East, to Siberia? After such a relocation, everyone will turn their backs on us. And this resettlement will not solve the problem. The experience of the USSR showed this.

[Alaburga]

So let them live if they agree to live in one big Russia. Who doesn't want it: a suitcase, a train station, Ursula von der Lady's European garden.

[cpls22]

Quote: Alaburga

So let them live if they agree to live in one big Russia. Who doesn't want it: a suitcase, a train station, Ursula von der Lady's European garden.

Yeah, they will really want them there)

[Andrey Dibrov]

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[solar]

Despite the current situation, Ukrainians are still not strangers to us.

Unfortunately, now they are much more alien than before February 2022 :((

[reaper]

My personal opinion is that we don’t need to keep other regions under our control besides Kharkov and Odessa. They kept Poland and the Tribalts after the Second World War and restored them. And we receive gratitude from them.
Let them live as they want and with whomever they want, with the same gayropa. They jumped towards this, we helped them get rid of the Soviet stuff.

[Dedok]

Let them live as they want and with whomever they want, with the same gayropa.

it's too late to make such a decision

[Nastia makarova]

it is necessary along the Dnieper, along the river, then the most important large cities will be under the threat of shelling from conventional artillery, and it’s easier to control along the river

[Alaburga]

Our ancestors shed blood for other regions. And land is a non-renewable resource. Why would you be afraid to give away your lands to all sorts of Satanists?

[Dedok]

Khodakovsky it is important to understand why we started SVO and how we will continue to live with a defeated Ukraine

yes, the question remains open
the situation with the “suitcase without a handle”
but what happened allowed us to see a lot that we did not pay attention to

[rocket757]

Although the goals of the special military operation were announced by our leadership on its very first day, no one really explained what our victory would consist of.

. So, “the taste comes while eating,” and then the aftertaste doesn’t necessarily mean it will be pleasant.
But, having already gotten involved in a fight, the best thing to do is to retreat, stopping is even more dangerous than trying harder and ending it with a clear, unconditional VICTORY.
The enemy must be defeated!!!

[KTM-5]

Obviously, victory will lie in ensuring that our people are no longer divided into Russians and anti-Russians (fictitious “Ukrainians”).
Naturally, this is not about NATO bases. The point is an openly Nazi, extremely chauvinistic regime established by the West on the territory of the former Ukraine. Russophobic hysteria is being whipped up there without any boundaries or limits, simply reaching the point of mass psychosis and paranoia. The degree of zombification of Ukrainians is even higher than that of Islamist terrorist fanatics. They are ready for anything, for any nastiness and meanness. Therefore, to put it mildly, we don’t want to have such a neighborhood.

[polar bear]

It is important that after the capitulation of Ukraine, all historical Russian regions go to Russia. Then they are subject to purge, denazification, arrest of war criminals, SBU officers and other evil spirits. A complete change of governing bodies to people who fought in the Northern Military District in the Russian army and on the side of Russia and the locals who remained loyal to Russia. It makes absolutely no difference how the rest of Ukraine will live. A strong border along its entire remaining territory, no one allowed into Russia on any visas, or through Belarus. Otherwise we will get bogged down in terrorist attacks.

[Pavel73]

It is not NATO itself that is dangerous, but the combination of NATO + Bandera. That is, a combination of economic and military power with a long-standing and irreconcilable hatred of Russia and everything Russian.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Pavel73

It is not NATO itself that is dangerous, but the combination of NATO + Bandera. That is, a combination of economic and military power with a long-standing and irreconcilable hatred of Russia and everything Russian.

It is even more dangerous to explain history and politics with a universal argument: “this is happening because these people don’t like them.” So, you can “explain” anything and at the same time you don’t need to understand or think at all.

Moreover, who, if not a Russian person, has been familiar with the popular Russian argument since childhood; “we will rob you (sweep you away... send you to...) simply because it is profitable for us, and you are a fool - you were mistaken in your expectations. But “It’s nothing personal, you were just unlucky and don’t be offended.” Relations with NATO are about the same thing! Bandera’s people are no worse, they’re just local crazy people and nothing more.

[Soldatov V.]

Khodakovsky asks the question correctly. But I believe that there will be not a defeated Ukraine, but a liberated Western Russia. After the liberation of the territory, you need to clear the territory of Nazis and Banderaites.
So as not to get their hands dirty, let them run abroad in all four directions. Then restore the destroyed economy. The state language of interethnic communication is Russian. If they want to learn Ukrainian, let them learn it privately. Regarding democratic elections in the former Ukraine. Maintain a moratorium on elections for 25, or maybe 50 years, an example of how Moses led the Jews through the desert until they died out - who was a slave, and who was a Nazi and Bandera in Ukraine.
As I understand it, there are no unsullied military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are five years old in the construction battalion for the restoration of Donbass, Little Russia and Novorossiya, the second branch of the BAM, bridges, roads on Sakhalin, Yakutia, and Kamchatka.

[Crete 25]

After the Second World War, Bandera’s followers were also released on all four sides. According to the amnesty. Remind me how it ended, or see for yourself?
And where do such naive reasoning come from...

[leonidbondarenko19980715]

This is how children and grandchildren are born great-granddaughters. And the ideology of books in their homes, bookstores sell the ideology of Ukroreich, this is their style of paganism

[Lech from Android.]

Khodakovsky is a jack of all trades...a strategist and a tactician and a politician...well, he knows everything...he will explain to everyone how to live further...a unique person.
In general, I’m interested in whose thoughts and intentions he is pushing into the media. ...In a similar way.
But he doesn’t discuss domestic cuisine in Donbass... it’s taboo.

[acetophenone]

Of course, if we ourselves are able to decide on this direction for ourselves.

We can't be led astray
We have XXX where to go!

[Anatoly Shpalin]

He compared the current situation with the biblical parable of King Moses, who led the Jews through the desert for 40 years until they found the way to the Promised Land

It is very encouraging when even the highest command staff admits that the goals of the special operation are to "to fight there, I don’t know where. To win something, I don’t know what"

[leonidbondarenko19980715]

Nazi genocide. They could have simply been left untouched and the country where the orcs live closed would have been made. And don’t interfere with their lives until they kill each other.

[faterdom]

We would still be muttering the mantra “there is no alternative to Minsk”
And we pretended that we were preparing for something like that...
But Old Man Lukashenko told everything clearly and intelligibly. When at night 24.02.22/2/3 somewhere around XNUMX-XNUMX a.m., aerospace reconnaissance showed that Tochka-U missile systems had entered combat positions to strike Russian troops then located in Belarus and were being deployed, and into combat position, which was unequivocal, without notification , and more or less secretly. And large strike forces were also already concentrated near Donetsk, which we recognized as independent two days ago.
And in this situation, a decision came (supported by Old Man) - there was no longer any time to delay!
Otherwise we will be the first to be attacked!
And the SVO began, of course, as is now clear, based on false calculations about our forces and the enemy’s forces, about the level of support from the West, the level of terrorization of the population, and even more so hardly with the well-developed questions “what should we do with the occupied territories?”
Who remembers, we didn’t touch the Ukrainian flags and emblems, and we didn’t appoint an administration, and, naturally, we didn’t carry out events in the front-line zone. And at night they didn’t shoot at the enemy’s barracks, so as not to wake them up.
But now the enemy is treating us for stupidity, for the third year now, and has come to the point of a terrorist attack in Crocus...
But just today I listened to Matvienko asserting that we can declare Ukraine a terrorist state....
So are we getting better? Or is the condition serious but stable?
Any military action must have clear political goals, Afghanistan is a lesson for this, both for us and for the Americans.
Porthos' theme of "I fight because I fight" is somehow unconvincing.

[FoBoss_VM]

My deepest conviction is that victory will be that the pseudo-education Ukraine will cease its rotten existence and dissolve into the darkness of centuries

[bbb]

Moses is a myth. First you need to win on the battlefield, then decide something. As an option, leave a sanitary zone.

[Alexey Sommer]

Victory will be achieved when it is officially announced at the state level that in Belovezhskaya Pushcha 3 traitors and their henchmen carried out a coup d'etat in 1991.
This will be the first victory in a series of upcoming battles.

[amr]

Quote: Master2030

And those who are persistently “elected” in elections and those to whom they hang hero-general stars should have thought about “this”.

they don’t think about anything, everything was already thought out without them, 30-50 years ago, they are stupid performers!

[Bomb]

Khodakovsky definitely has five more years of time to think about rhetorical questions.

[leonidbondarenko19980715]

After all, Ukrainians consider themselves a separate race, nation and state, why start their own. It seems like they deceived us, they say on YouTube that Putin is not alive and there are 2 doubles walking around and it’s all the devil’s doing, and the United States is good, that the temple of the Russian Federation in the style of the devil for the victims of an attack on foreign land Russia is already cursed. And it will split. And again the Nazis will grow up in 100-400 years, it will still be the same.

[storm]

How will we continue to live with a defeated Ukraine?

Don't say anything until you win!
It would be nice if the entire Left Bank were liberated from the Ukrainian fascists, otherwise we still have to look for the actual result using a map with a microscope....

[Andrey Dibrov]

So, who is there to “liberate” then, if then Polkherson was not going anywhere in that Russian world - after which difficult decisions ... because ... because

[storm]

This means we need to clear the entire Left Bank, which by the way is what they are doing now, and then repopulate the practically free territory with Russian people...

[Andrey Dibrov]

Or maybe another coast
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[Skorin]

So far, from the outside, the operation looks like “Let’s hit the mossy and backward Bandera region with Ilyin’s advanced ideology and Dugin’s modern philosophy.”

[tkoh]

Quote: Village

Remember what products were sold in stores back then. Meat from Brazil, chicken from Geyropa, etc., etc. If sanctions had been introduced then, what would we have eaten? In the 14th, sanctions against us began, only then did we begin to understand that buying everything we needed abroad, for petrodollars, deprives Russia of independence. They cleared it up a little, and now we don’t care about their sanctions.

Churchill, it seems, said, “If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it gets both war and shame.”

[Bayun]

What's the point of looking for meaning where there is none?.. Not yet... The winner will write THEN plans-goals-meanings-strategies.

[Kuzmitsky]

In the 40s, long before Victory Day, it was clear when it would be possible to say that we had won: when we took Berlin and hanged Hitler. Now everything is more complicated.

[HellAmigo]

In the twentieth century, by cunning, Russia was “squeezed out” of historical lands that rightfully belonged to it. Russia is a territorially large state. But, 2/3 of its land is the edge of permafrost. The black earth lands that were squeezed out of her were some of the best in the country. Let's add a warm climate. Getting yours back is a matter of principle.

[Andrey Dibrov]

But the fact is that Ukraine and the Baltic states are not at all the same thing for Russians. “Despite the current situation, Ukrainians are still not strangers to us. They are part of our own people, perhaps the lost part.”
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it reeks of fascism

[23ronin]

Quote: krot

Yes, it’s clear how to live.. Odessa mother and Kharkov and Kiev are Russian. The Poles will exchange Lviv for the Suwałki corridor. Leave a couple of regions to Ukraine if they don’t want to become Russian themselves..

Why not? I imagined something like this myself, I didn’t think about the Suwalki corridor (. By and large, people don’t care what the country is called, daily social and everyday concerns are important. The task of governments and presidents is to create the ground for conditional “lace panties” and traditional staples Slavs and other peoples of Russia.