Russian resources report the death of two crew members of a Tu-22M3 bomber that crashed in the Stavropol region

The crash of the Russian long-range bomber Tu-22M3 cost the lives of two crew members. The first details of the plane crash appear on Russian resources.

According to the latest data provided by the Mach TG channel, the reason for the crash of the Tu-22M3 in the Stavropol Territory is the loss of thrust of one of the engines. In this case, two crew members were killed, including the commander. When an emergency occurred, he forcibly ejected the co-pilot, the navigator and the navigator-operator, while he himself remained and until the last tried to divert the falling plane from residential buildings, dying along with the bomber. Another crew member was found dead; the cause of death is not currently known. The Ministry of Defense makes no comments.

There is no threat to the lives of the other two pilots. Regional doctors are working with them. They will soon be transported to a military hospital outside the region

- said the head of the Stavropol Territory Vladimir Vladimirov.

Let us remind you that this morning a Russian Tu-22M3 long-range bomber crashed in the Krasnogvardeisky district of the region; there was no damage on the ground. According to the Ministry of Defense, the plane was returning from a combat mission; there was no ammunition on board. The preliminary cause of the fall is a technical malfunction.

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to declare that the plane was hit by a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile, but they were not believed even in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces and Bankovaya immediately shout that they shot down, which is unlikely, too far away. So they're lying as usual

- added the TG channel "Legitimny".

Comments

[Graz]

kingdom of heaven to the defenders of the Motherland! may they rest in peace!

[your vsr 66-67]

Those who gave their lives for their Motherland do not die!
Happy memory to the pilots, fortitude to the family!

[Ksavier]

How tired of you are already churchgoers. Everywhere you need to stick a candle. You should also organize a religious procession.

[Oleg Apushkin]

Shut your filthy mouth, bells will never ring about you.

[BELOVOLOD]

“Pilots don’t die. They just fly away and don’t come back...” Condolences to family and friends!

[Nexcom]

still died...... it's a pity....
"Pilots don't die, they fly to heaven" (c)
"One huge sky - for two...." (c)
Blessed memory to them....

[ABC-schutze]

I join ...

But, nevertheless, it seems that the plane returning after a successful mission was shot down by the Kyiv Banderos - the Nazis...

And this will continue, I believe, until the “decision-making” comrades finally give birth to the creation and deployment in the operational depth of the LS, a network of continuous, all-weather, all-angle and all-altitude airspace monitoring, based on autonomous, mobile aerostat platforms.

Ensuring, BY DEFINITION, timely detection of ATTACKING aircraft and missiles at any altitude, any route of approach to the target and at any time. And issuing target designation for its missile defense/missile defense system to defeat...

And the death of two crew members during ejection, according to the so-called “technical reasons”, I believe possible with sufficient probability, only if a self-detonation of an “under-loaded” rocket or battery occurred on board the aircraft...

[ABC-schutze]

I believe that the Kyiv Bandera-Nazis hit the bomber not with the Patriot, but with a launcher secretly “pulled up” to the LS, with “modified” S-200s. By the way, they are quite good means of destruction, for use “from an ambush”...

[bayard]

Quote: ABC-schütze

I believe that the Kyiv Bandera-Nazis hit the bomber not with the Patriot, but with a launcher secretly “pulled up” to the LS, with “modified” S-200s. By the way, they are quite good means of destruction, for use “from an ambush”...

This version is very likely. And the Nazis still have a lot of S-200 missiles.

[orionvitt]

Quote: ABC-schütze

with "modified" S-200

S-200, works only from stationary launchers, with rail tracks for pulling missiles from storage and the rest. There is one rocket with a launcher like a spaceship. So no matter how much you “rework” it, nothing will come of it. Tales are everything.

[SovAr238A]

Yes Yes.
And Anti-aircraft missiles cannot hit surface and ground targets...
And foreign missiles cannot be hung on Soviet aircraft, and even more so they can never be launched at targets.
Foreign missile defense systems cannot be launched from Soviet air defense systems...
How much longer will you repeat “these are stories”, this is impossible????
Not tired?

[UAZ 452]

In our country, all this would really be completely impossible. I came across an interview with one of the current space designers, and he said that if in 1961 things were done as they are now, Gagarin would not have flown anywhere for a long time - certifications, approvals, approvals and other bureaucratic procedures would have taken more than one year ( I’m generally silent about modern manipulations with financial flows in the form of tenders, FAS inspections and other things). That is why we in the Northern Military District quickly lost the initiative. But our opponents, no matter how much we would like to admit it, are freer from the pressure that can bury any initiative of the ink tribe, less dependent on accounting and reporting, which do not leave time and the very opportunity to do real things, so all this is possible for them. Alas... “The time of the first” is not about us at all now.
PS A former fellow soldier, who is now still serving in a military school, says that there has never been such a number of various inspections as in the last two years. They only check papers, the number of which increases exponentially, and there is also order in the territory, a drill review can be announced. Real combat training in the specialty is of no interest to anyone. Nowadays, accounting and reporting do not describe, but replace reality.

[Podvodnik]

. Real combat training in the specialty is of no interest to anyone

Well, when was it different? Are combat training logs (CTL) completed? Signed by the commander? Are combat number books available? Have a bunch of instructions, technical training logs, and other documents been checked? Yes!
Good luck!
And the fact that the sailor in the stern of the Varshavyanka does not know what kind of red cylinder it is that looks like a “country gas cylinder” is nonsense. Just think, "LOH"!
(It turned out to be a play on words - volumetric-chemical boat...)
He's definitely a sucker, and a real one at that. But who feels better about this?
The ship will still go to sea. With this sailor in the stern.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: orionvitt

Quote: ABC-schütze

with "modified" S-200

S-200, works only from stationary launchers, with rail tracks for pulling missiles from storage and the rest. There is one rocket with a launcher like a spaceship. So no matter how much you “rework” it, nothing will come of it. Tales are everything.

To a certain extent, the S-200 air defense system can be “mobile” - the S-200 launcher can be moved, they are not “tightly tied” to the rails

[ABC-schutze]

"Only from landlines"?..

Then I will remind you that FAB 100, 250, 500, 1500, etc., these are only “oak”, free-fall ABs. There was a time when I hung it myself...

But bad luck, being, according to the OBJECTIVE requirements of the situation in the North Military District theater, “modified”, they became high-precision, gliding, adjustable ammunition...

[ABC-schutze]

So, I believe that in conditions of war, “standardized” approaches are akin to underestimating the enemy. And this is ALWAYS fraught with surprises. It is clear that they are extremely unpleasant...

[DenVB]

Quote: ABC-schütze

and secretly “pulled up” by him to the LS launcher, with “modified” S-200.

From Krasnogvardeisky district to LBS - approximately 390-400 km...

Quote: ABC-schütze

By the way, they are quite good means of destruction, for use “from an ambush”...

The guidance radar of the S-200 system looks something like this:

If our species reconnaissance did not notice the appearance of this monster closer than 100 km from the LBS, and if our RTR did not notice the operation of this radar, which probably reaches the Moon with its radiation, then I no longer know what questions to ask our General Staff.

[tsvetahaki]

Quote: DenVB

From Krasnogvardeisky district to LBS - approximately 390-400 km...

The question is - how far could a slightly damaged plane fly? 100 kilometers or more? At a speed of about 1000 km... until it reached critical...

Very, very sad... May heaven accept them with dignity...

[DenVB]

Quote from tsvetahaki

The question is - how far could a slightly damaged plane fly? 100 kilometers or more? At a speed of about 1000 km... until it reached critical...

This is already very similar to tightening the desired solution to a pre-selected answer. A slightly damaged plane can fly as long as it wants. Within the limits of their performance characteristics, of course.

[tsvetahaki]

This is already very similar to tightening the desired solution to a pre-selected answer. A slightly damaged plane can fly as long as it wants. Within the limits of their performance characteristics, of course.

From which side should you look? That the “pre-selected answer” was shot down or a “technical malfunction”.
As you noted, they could have hit him behind the front line - then they shot him down and pulled him 400 km to the front.
If tech. there was a malfunction - they realized that the downed plane was flying.

[DenVB]

Quote from tsvetahaki

From which side should you look? That the “pre-selected answer” was shot down or a “technical malfunction”.

Okay, go ahead, I won't bother you.

[ABC-schutze]

It is reasonable to believe that such “machines” as the Tu-22 use high-precision and “long-range” weapons, without “deep” entry into the airspace controlled by the Kyiv Banderos - the Nazis ...

In any case, I would like to hope that the sad precedent of the war “080808”, when Tiflis, with the help of a BUK handed over to Kyiv, hit a similar Russian bomber, was taken into account...

[tsvetahaki]

The question is simple - with which all reporters agree - the plane was pulling to the airfield or from the objects...
That is, the place where the malfunction occurred - or the “pop” - is closer to the front line than the place of the fall.
How much closer is not reported, so it’s guesswork.

[ABC-schutze]

Do you believe that in OUR TIME, the targeting of modernized weapons of destruction of the Kyiv banederos - the Nazis, at our targets and objects, is carried out “only” with the help of “Old Testament” Soviet-made radars?..

I would like to hope that in the General Staff there will be officers who will begin to doubt this, TIMELY...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Eternal memory to the fallen pilots. To the survivors - recovery.

[tralflot1832]

Sad news, my condolences to the family and friends of the pilots who took their last flight.

[LuckyBlog]

What kind of nonsense are our officials from the Ministry of Defense (abbreviated to be true) making up?
There is a video on the Internet, it falls and burns, although I could also be wrong here, but when there is a loss of thrust, there is no fire (or they wanted to write that the fire caused the loss of thrust, then yes). could have been damaged on 404 and did not reach the airfield. that’s why there are dead (well, I don’t believe that another one died during an ejection in safe conditions and the commander took the plane away from the village when the heights and dimensions of the NP there were not the right ones to take so long.
PS I really hope I’m wrong on all counts. but after the losses of the A-50 I’m no longer surprised

[COJIDAT]

It happens that the keel cuts when leaving the chair, and this also happens.

[LuckyBlog]

It’s not like this is a fighter where the tail/fin is exactly behind the pilot, here they seem to be on the sides of the central axis of the plane. although... really anything can happen ((((

[COJIDAT]

My friend served in a flight school; in front of his eyes, two Su-27UB pilots were cut by the keel when they fell. Although the 27 has two of them, during a “spin” the plane turns in a spiral. And, the Tu-22m has a keel in the center.

[DenVB]

Quote: COJIDAT

My friend served in a flight school; in front of his eyes, two Su-27UB pilots were cut by the keel when they fell.

Who did he serve there?

[SovAr238A]

When could this happen?
With an ejection seat, which was originally designed in such a way that the speed and trajectory of the seat would lead away from collisions?

[osp]

For the Tu-160, its own rescue system was developed based on the K-36L seats.
There are different ejection options available.
For example, separate in turn or forced.
When the commander or his assistant (right) pulls the handrails, the entire crew ejects.
And they go out like this - the commander, the right navigator, the assistant commander, the left navigator.
Or both navigators eject, but the commander and his assistant remain.

At the end of the 80s, one of the experimental Tu-160s abandoned its entire crew due to numerous failures and survived.
But in 2003, a tragedy happened to “Mikhail Gromov” in the Saratov region.
The entire crew died after ejecting and the bomber exploded in the air.

The Tu-22M3 has a completely different, much less reliable rescue system.
With outdated KT-1M seats dating back to the Tu-16.
They haven't made them for a long time.

[Alaburga]

Everything about the loss/non-loss of the A-50 is still shrouded in darkness. About the first one, which fell into the sea, it is most likely a fake, otherwise the photos and videos from the waiters, the operations to raise the plane, would already be on the Internet. There is no reliable information about the second one, except from the Ukrainian Reich.

[Nastia makarova]

If they were shot down there, why didn’t you land at the nearest airfield?

[LuckyBlog]

not every runway can support their weight. There are also requirements for the quality of coverage.

[Hagalaz]

I don’t argue that way, but ejection is not a simple procedure. Requires a certain readiness of the pilot’s body, half movement of body parts. Almost like a spinal fracture, for example. Since the ejection was forced, someone might not have had time to prepare.

[COJIDAT]

in the chair, the automatic belts pull you in as it should - but spinal injury is inevitable.

[Hagalaz]

Just read it. Does the automation move the pilot’s legs? I'm serious. I talked with one pilot, it’s true for a long time and we were talking about fighters, where speeds can be higher. Spread your knees a little and the oncoming air flow will do the trick. It blows easily under the butt and back.

[Zamkadysh]

As for “nonsense”, be careful, if it’s completely off topic. An engine fire is one way or another accompanied by a loss of traction. Another thing is that loss of traction is not a cause, it is the same consequence as a fire. Reasons offhand: 1. damage by air defense systems, 2. engine defect (turbine blades, bearings, fuel lines), 3. foreign object entering the air intake (a bird or a drone, for example). What seemed strange was the nature of the fall - a flat corkscrew. It was typical for the first Tu-22 models; their engines were located on both sides of the keel and the air intakes were, under certain conditions, obscured by the fuselage and wings, which led to a stall followed by a flat spin and made it difficult to recover from it. Over Donetsk at one time the 154th, for the same reasons, fell like this from 11 km with working engines. There is some other reason here. Perhaps the pilot tried to avoid a collision with something and made a “sharp” maneuver, but it was not possible to disperse; given the current spatial position and the loss of thrust, due to being hit by something that could not be avoided, a stall situation was created, which for the same reason (insufficient thrust) and developed into a flat spin. In this case, there is an explanation for the commander’s actions. He was trying to get the car out of a spin. No luck.
Not this time.
The hour has not struck
When the angel on duty, unheard by others, calls us on the road.
And down from the branch,
Like a yellow leaf
We will spin for the last time, dancing our heavenly twist. (With)

[LuckyBlog]

What do you think is the meaning I put into the letters “or did they want to write that the fire caused the loss of traction, then yes”? Well, actually, I hinted with the fire that some kind of external influence was possible. Considering that there is a war going on, it is logical that combat damage is the most likely option. although yes, not the only one.

[Zamkadysh]

Sorry, I'm correcting myself. There was a rumor of “nonsense” and a strange attack on Ministry of Defense officials, so I intervened. Here is the text of the message: “According to the latest data provided by the Mach TG channel, the reason for the crash of the Tu-22M3 in the Stavropol Territory is the loss of thrust of one of the engines. ... The Ministry of Defense does not give any comments.” The TG channel Mesh can blurt out nonsense, but then the Moscow Region, according to this statement, is not responsible for this nonsense. I agree that my further reasoning is developing in a slightly different plane. I don’t consider officials of the Ministry of Defense :) They exist and they should exist and exist.

[LuckyBlog]

I apologize if I somehow cut my hearing, I often express myself as I think, but I think poorly. I hate bureaucrats from the Moscow Region more than I hate liberals, at least they don’t hide the fact that they are enemies, but these ones are making fun of their own. I hate them because I saw how they sharpen the army from the inside. if it weren’t for the officials who stopped so many things that we would now actually have an army of the 21st century. but we have what we have, a light version of the USSR army. light in scale, namely the USSR version, this is in terms of technology, most weapons have them at the level of those times ((((

[Alexey Lantukh]

Well, if a TU-22 crashes from a fire of one engine, without any cargo, and even in a tailspin, which in my amateur opinion is strange, then why didn’t the crew leave the plane at a convenient time, in a convenient place, in a convenient position.

[Zamkadysh]

Let's wait a while. So far, even on the specialized forum there is a minimum of information.

[ermak124.0]

Mr. Lantuch. Has it ever occurred to you that a fire in even one engine starts a chain of failures of aircraft units and systems, which together determine the transition of an emergency situation to a catastrophic one?

[Alexey Lantukh]

Didn't it occur to you

It didn't come. However, reports that an engine failed on a passenger plane, even caught fire, but was extinguished by the fire-fighting system, are not entirely uncommon. At the same time, the pilots landed the ship at the airport on one engine. What about military aircraft? Are they really that bad in design?

[UAZ 452]

Most military aircraft have engines located next to each other, which significantly increases the likelihood of the second one failing if there is a problem with one of them. Modern civilian aircraft have separate engines.
On all sorts of aviation forums, many people champion twin-engine military aircraft, emphasizing their greater reliability. But no one has ever been able to give me statistics - how many planes successfully landed after one of the engines failed, and whether this number justifies problems occurring twice as often in twin-engine airplanes compared to single-engine airplanes (well, purely according to statistics, this should be the case, even considering birds getting into air intakes). Chkalov, when choosing a plane for a flight across the North Pole, said: 1 engine - 100% probability of an accident, 4 engines - 400%. It's exaggerated, but there's something in it.

[ermak124.0]

I hope you have seen the layout diagram of the control system of a civil aircraft and Tu22m3???? Do you understand the difference?

[Alexey Lantukh]

I hope you have seen the layout diagram of the control system of a civil aircraft and Tu22m3?

I had to watch TU22. Yes, the placement cannot be called successful. If a missile hits one engine, it is most likely the end of the film for the aircraft. Well, in the event of a fire due to a malfunction, there may be options.

[Electrical]

then why didn’t the crew leave the plane at a convenient time, in a convenient place, in a convenient position.

With this, everything is just simple. While there was no spin, the crew hoped to cope with the situation. Well, already in a tailspin, there is unlikely to be a more convenient place and position. Tu22 is not a super-maneuverable fighter. And a flat corkscrew is a very serious problem for him.

[Aviator_]

Over Donetsk at one time the 154th, for the same reasons, fell like this from 11 km with working engines.

With the Tu-154 the situation was fundamentally different. There was a choice - to return back to the Don region because of the thunderstorm front ahead, or to slip through. If you return, you won’t see the bonus; all the kerosene will be deducted from your salary. The PIC decided to go around the front from above, climbed to an altitude of more than 13 km, and piloting there is completely different; civilian pilots are not taught it. That's all.

[Montezuma]

Quote: LuckyBlog

What kind of nonsense are our officials from the Ministry of Defense (abbreviated to be true) making up?

The Russian Ministry of Defense published the following message this morning:

“The preliminary cause of the crash of a Tu-22M3 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the Stavropol region was a technical malfunction, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported on Friday, April 19.

“In the Stavropol Territory, after completing a combat mission, while returning to the home airfield, a Tu-22M3 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces crashed. The pilots ejected,” the message says.
According to the ministry, the search and rescue team evacuated three crew members, and the search for another pilot continues.
There was no ammunition on board the plane, the car fell in a deserted area, there was no damage on the ground, the military department concluded."

Everything else in the publication is data from the Mach TG channel. And what does this have to do with “nonsense from Moscow Region officials”?

[Petio]

He launched the X-32 so that he was at least 200 km from the LBS

[sdivt]

Kyiv rejoices
We were already in a hurry to record the fall in our assets

My condolences to the families and friends of those killed...

[COJIDAT]

Jackals howl in despair.

[rocket757]

Glory to our soldiers, our HEROES.
Sleep well, comrade, we will win and will not forget anyone

[Vadim Sumin]

Eternal sky guys.
A fall is a “dry leaf”... I flew on TU 22M2 and TU 22M3 for 12 years as a navigator....
Why did the “loss of traction” occur?
surge?
ammunition?
crew error?
external influence?
technical problem?
Why did the fire start?
And, there is no “first commander” on board the heavier-than-air aircraft, as MACH wrote/
There is a CREW COMMANDER on board, who is also the ONLY CREW COMMANDER.
and they left in a terrible overload.
Honor and glory to them.

[COJIDAT]

The ship's commander - Hero, well done, did not allow it to fall on a populated area. Glory and memory to the heroes! To the survivors - health!

[cmax]

Such commanders are worth their weight in gold, given their experience and knowledge. It is not necessary to allow their death, as well as the death of other crew members. The video shows that the plane was in a flat spin. In this situation, no amount of experience will help the pilot; the fall is uncontrollable. The death of a pilot or pilots is a great loss for the army and for their families. Condolences.

[BAI]

1 ONE person died. Crew commander. He fought for the plane until the end.
2. There were 57, there are 56 aircraft left. The load has increased sharply, hence the technical malfunctions. But still, this is not an excuse. Repair services need to step up.
3. Kho.khly has nothing to do with it. They couldn't damage the plane in any way. From the word completely

[LuckyBlog]

I generally agree, but pots could also damage the equipment. We also lost AWACS, and for good measure, they could drag heavy FABs and threw them with UMPC from a minimum distance and fly into an air defense missile system ambush (ours missed this more than once, though not with stategs, but they regularly set up ambushes for our pans)

[novel66]

Is DRG with MANPADS not considered in principle?

[UAZ 452]

Is it a good idea for a long-range aircraft to descend to 5 km or lower over Stavropol? Are they based there somewhere? They wrote that they were even removed from Engels out of harm’s way (from the Ukrainian border). But the problem of DRGs with MANPADS is really quite acute - if we have Tajik bandits driving around Moscow with machine guns, then who can guarantee that other abreks will not take a position somewhere near the glide path of a military airfield in any region of Russia? Importing MANPADS into the country does not seem to be a big problem now. It won’t take up so much more space in some hiding place than four machine guns.

[DenVB]

Quote: UAZ 452

Importing MANPADS into the country, it seems, is not a big problem now.

I still hope that bringing MANPADS into the country is very, very difficult. Otherwise, passenger airliners may start falling tomorrow.

[UAZ 452]

You always want to hope for the best. And I didn’t just hope, I was sure of it. But that was BEFORE Crocus. Now my confidence in the “iron barrier” to the smuggling of weapons, including ATGMs and MANPADS, has decreased significantly. Our competent authorities and services, of course, are vigilant, but they are more aimed at all sorts of bloggers, authors of critical comments and even those who like them. What the authorities consider to be their main threat is what they target the intelligence services at. And they are not against it - it is much safer to imprison bloggers than saboteurs, who can even shoot back.

[Alexey Lantukh]

They couldn't damage the plane in any way. From the word completely

Yeah! Quite quite ... ...

[opuonmed]

We mourn the kingdom of heaven for them!

[Fitter65]

We flew under God
near heaven itself
He climbed a little higher and sat there,
well, and I - reached the ground.
Met the pilot dryly
Paradise airfield.
He sat on his belly
But did not crawl on it.
He fell asleep - did not wake up,
He sang - did not finish.
So here I am back
come back come back come back
Well, he failed.

You can’t say anything better than Vladimir Semyonovich Vysotsky.

[COJIDAT]

I also like “Yak Fighter”.

[Fitter65]

Quote: COJIDAT

I also like “Yak Fighter”.

Yes, the main thing is PEACE TO YOUR HOME!!!!

[Pete mitchell]

..let them write to the Guardians of us. It is also an honor to keep this matter, to carry good luck on the wing…. To the survivors recovery.
We have to wait for the results. But he fell hard...

[Fitter65]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

We have to wait for the results. But he fell hard...

Like a maple leaf, it spun and fell...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Fitter65

Like a maple leaf, it spun and fell...

Only one thing comes to mind - it was controlled and they “dragged” it until the last moment until they lost speed. Apparently there was no traction at all...we’ll find out now

[Fitter65]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Only one thing comes to mind - it was controlled and they “dragged” it until the last moment until they lost speed. Apparently there was no traction at all...we’ll find out now

- they write on other resources.

As a former pilot explained to MK, a plane can go into a tailspin if its speed has dropped to critical values ​​and the angle of attack is greater than the maximum permissible, that is, the nose of the plane is tilted up. We can conclude that after one of the engines caught fire, the crew tried to move the plane as far away from populated areas as possible, the expert says. - As far as the thrust of one engine was enough, they went as far as they could. When the speed dropped to the limit, the plane fell into a spontaneous tailspin. Only after this did the guys eject.

[Pete mitchell]

As a former pilot explained to MK...

I just want to ask MK: huh spontaneous tailspin - is this the corkscrew wording cut off by 'journalists'? In this case it is obviously flat.
The commission will tell you about the damage received, and everything will work out there..

[ugos]

They will never tell you anything
Peace be upon the ashes of the perishing

[Electrical]

As far as the thrust of one engine was enough, they went as far as they could. When the speed dropped to the limit, the plane fell into a spontaneous tailspin.

Under good weather conditions and working instruments, this situation is almost impossible. Do you really think that the pilots didn’t know the plane’s stall speed? Only if they lost traction would they simply change the altitude to at least a kilometer, and only then would they begin to think about where and how they would fall. Loss of thrust is clearly not a reason to put the plane into a tailspin. There were clearly some additional factors involved. The same fire could, for example, cause the failure of control systems. But here anything could really happen, even reaching prohibitive speeds during a dive.

[Valery-sevas]

The ship's commander, a hero, courageously accepted death, leading the carcass away from residential buildings and knowing full well that he had no chance of a successful ejection in this situation. eternal memory to him!!!
Further. The useless ejection systems on this particular type of aircraft have already become the talk of the town from the word “absolutely” - they do not give any guarantees to the crew members during ejection (the sad example with the deceased crew member), and how many times have they written about this on both this and other related forums - it doesn’t matter - even if there’s a stake on your head - the situation with fixing this problem is at zero!!! But this is all the lives of our guys.

[UAZ 452]

The kingdom of heaven to the lost, and recovery to the survivors!
But still, our information and propaganda services should not try to pull an owl onto the globe every time, especially where this is absolutely not required.
The video of the plane crash was posted on very official resources, where you can see that the plane is on fire and falling vertically, in a flat tailspin. So what is the loss of engine thrust, especially one of the two?! So we will get to the point where the cause of a plane crash (any plane) will be a collision with the surface of the Earth.
And what kind of objects on the ground could the commander steer the board away from during a spin? What nonsense? Or will his memory be somehow offended by the fact that he first ejected his crew, but was unable to leave the plane himself - either because of the spin that had begun, or was already wounded?
Our pilots honestly carried out their combat mission, two of them gave their lives in the process. So why insult their feat with outright lies, and they lie, it seems, simply out of habit?

[ugos]

Our biggest problem is lies, when it is necessary and when it is not necessary, as long as the main one does not get upset.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

If only this. We live in such realities.

[UAZ 452]

One of our main propagandists, Skabeeva, stated in her speech that facts are not important at all, the main thing is to form the CORRECT attitude towards events among the population. That is, they don’t care about us to such an extent that they don’t even consider it necessary to bashfully cover up their lies! A kind of paradoxical honesty: “Yes, we are lying to you, and what will you do to us?”
https://arbatmedia.kz/exo-moskvy/fakty-ne-vazny-vedushhaya-tok-sou-olga-skabeeva-rasskazala-kak-rabotaet-propaganda-v-rf-4281
PS I recommend that you don’t be too lazy to follow the link in the article to the telegram - it’s absolutely enchanting there!

[incognoto]

Tell me at least one major journalist who is not a propaganda tool?
they don’t exist in nature, Propaganda is a tool that it’s stupid not to use, our Enemies use this tool, why shouldn’t we not use it?

[UAZ 452]

Propaganda is really not evil in itself, but a tool. But you need to be able to use it (and to begin with, at least be willing to learn). Even our propagandists work now, it seems, not for results, but simply to report. Usually those who are salaried and paid on a time basis work this way. Nothing else comes to my mind when I see again and again in our media references to such “experts” as Ritter, McGregor, Kedmi... At least they would pay for a few new personalities, because most people stop reading these revelations as soon as they get there to the author's last name. But the paradigm of the work of our propagandists is that the electorate is eating it anyway. However, as long as they turn out to be right, they eat.

[UAZ 452]

And the opus about the deceased doctor, who with his body shielded five (!) wounded people from an enemy drone, cannot be called anything other than an outrage against the memory of the deceased and against the common sense of the readers of this propaganda masterpiece. Standard phrases about pilots steering the plane away from falling into a populated area (they seem to have been inserted into the cliché of a typical message about plane crashes, since I don’t remember a single one where it would have happened without them), and accompanying videos where it is clearly visible that the plane absolutely uncontrollable - also nothing more than a real discredit of the RF Armed Forces, and such that no foreign agents could dream of, because this is worse than a fake, this is an undermining of trust in general in any information messages of our official media. Propaganda is not evil, but propagandists who do their important work carelessly, in a formulaic way, “get off it.”

[UAZ 452]

They write that the crew commander also ejected and survived. Get well to all three!

[Electrical]

So why insult their feat with outright lies, and they lie, it seems, simply out of habit?

It’s not even a matter of habit, they just don’t know how to do it any other way. Would you like them to give an expert opinion on the causes of the disaster? So this requires brains. And in their place they are definitely not needed. In other respects, not only in their place, but also much higher. Remember how in Zhukovsky an absolutely unprepared crew almost crashed a plane full of people, making a bunch of mistakes and landing purely by accident without killing any passengers. Without any investigation, they were immediately appointed heroes. Then the commission, of course, found out all the circumstances and the culprits. But since the culprits had already been appointed heroes, all the circumstances had to be considered insignificant and did not affect anything. It just happened that way.

[Aleprok]

The possibility of sabotage cannot be ruled out ((
Glory to the pilots, Glory to the dead, the kingdom of heaven, sorry for the plane - it’s a one-off thing

It’s not clear how you can take a plane with failed engines out of a flat spin, and it’s not clear how you can eject others and still be left behind when everything is completely hopeless((

[UAZ 452]

The commander also ejected, the last. It’s just that our propagandists, out of habit, decided to add more oil.

[ermak124.0]

Aleprok, try riding a centrifuge and it will become clear.

[begemot20091]

those who died in the sky for their Motherland become the sky above it

[egsp]

The Ukrainians could not reach any air defense, it was too far away.

[Alexfly]

Unless they got hold of a missile in the border areas...

[incognoto]

you open the map and look, to put it mildly, there are few options that the plane was shot down

[UAZ 452]

So he could “catch” the rocket much closer to the LBS, he still pulled to the crash site, but... it didn’t work.

[Alexfly]

Didn't make it? Got a rocket? How did the second one shoot?

[osp]

Whatever it is, it is appropriate to say that the ejection seats on these bombers are very unreliable - they have always caused a lot of criticism.
The fact is that today these bombers are the only aircraft in service that are equipped with an individually developed ejection system - the KT-1M.
Long out of production.
And not with serial K-36 seats like all aircraft.
These KT-1M chairs had speed and height restrictions.

There were incidents with the death of flight personnel on the ground when they spontaneously fired.
I don’t know why they weren’t replaced with K-36LM-70.

[Vladimir_D]

This is not the first time that naval air defense has shot down planes over the Sea of ​​Azov and over the Krasnodar region.

[SEVERIN]

It’s a pity that our pilots died, and shame on the Ukrainian idle talk! - how could a Tu-22 be shot down over Stavropol? - it's like the crow of a rooster in a chicken coop.

[incognoto]

accordingly, 99.9%, judging by the information that is available, there was a technical malfunction, the plane crashed in the Stavropol Territory

[YES UZH]

And the death of two crew members during ejection, according to the so-called “technical reasons”, I believe possible with sufficient probability, only if a self-detonation of an “under-loaded” rocket or battery occurred on board the aircraft...

It is very difficult to eject on this plane. There is such a problem.

[Edvid]

It is unclear why the commander did not eject. In the video, only the tail part of the plane is on fire, and the car falls vertically for a long time in a flat tailspin. There was more than enough time and altitude to leave the plane.... We can only assume that something happened to the catapult.

[Kusja]

To fall vertically like that, apparently, you need to suddenly stop or lose a lot of speed in the sky. It turns out, even at a considerable height. Because anyway, by inertia, it could move horizontally, and then as shown. It’s also completely unclear with the crew. Apparently losses from defeat. Kingdom of heaven for men...

[Glagol1]

As for being shot down, it cannot be ruled out. They could have been hit on the combat course, slightly, and then upon returning there was an increase and the engine caught fire. Next is a flat corkscrew, from which there is no way on one engine. Well, maybe technology. It’s just that when something falls near the LBS, and the air defense range is 200 km (S-200 for example), doubts remain...

[nordscout]

Strange.... In the footage (amateur filming on a phone) the device is “spinning” with a fire in the engine area. If one engine lost thrust, the TU-22M3 was supposed to continue horizontal flight, at least... And then there was a fire, entry into an uncontrollable spin and the death of one crew member after ejection.... Very similar to the defeat of a MANPADS vehicle... Commission , will probably reveal the cause of the “loss of thrust of one of the engines”....

[Valery-sevas]

alas, the navigator-operator was torn out of the harness during ejection - and he went down like a stone, and the parachute was on its own - his body was found three hundred meters from the parachute - (this is a reliable fact), why did this happen - most likely, or it was carelessly fastened from the very beginning the beginning or already in flight after completing the task, I relaxed and decided to buckle up myself

[tolmachiev51]

.."The Ministry of Defense does not give any comments." “Highly-liked” - why are you writing this sickly, if there is no information and there won’t be any - this is MO, especially when he returned from the BZ. I feel sorry for the dead. May they have the kingdom of heaven!!! -This is the fate of career military personnel.

[certero]

Quote: ABC-schütze

In any case, I would like to hope that the sad precedent of the war “080808”, when Tiflis, with the help of a BUK handed over to Kyiv, hit a similar Russian bomber, was taken into account

I'd like to believe...